warrior is a joke
#arms
kind stag
nova marsh
Wow is a joke atm
kind stag
fair
nova marsh
Midnight was a mistake that makes shadowlands look like wrath
kind stag
mn was a tww patch
nova marsh
With a price tag!
kind stag
housing included
nova marsh
And worse classes
robust cliff
arms guys what you playing on saladar? slayer or is it just a fury angle?
kind stag
im sure next tier is when they get it going because this was now messy due to reworks, pruning, addon removals etc
nova marsh
im sure next tier is when they get it going because this was now messy due to re...
Oh im sure
kind stag
Oh im sure
nova marsh
And I hope they redeem a bit but Im afraid theyre gonna doubble down on the worst parts
ionic mica
we need a positive bug to give us unintended cdr so they fix that and then notice this old one
thick kelp
ive noticed this happening on live btw
yeah its been existing since TWW Launch
ionic mica
just like deep wounds
minor gust
Been reported since TWW
stable fiber
lmfao
minor gust
stable fiber
insanity
kind stag
minor gust
Yeah SD AM bug been around for awhile now
thick kelp
yeah tww launch
kind stag
im genuinely convinced devs dislike warrior because idk "war is bad" and war is in warrior hence
idk im trying to think of something
stable fiber
war lock
nova marsh
Tbh who tf knows blizzards logic
kind stag
casters
nova marsh
Maybe we have to pay for being broken 20 years ago
kind stag
casters eternally meta
kind stag
Maybe we have to pay for being broken 20 years ago
im convinced nobody there played video games 20yrs ago
nova marsh
im convinced nobody there played video games 20yrs ago
They got reminded because of classic
kind stag
aaaaaaa
minor gust
They don't tune for MDI
kind stag
im gonna assume only bugfixes for it then
nova marsh
I mean honestly I doubt we even see tuning till .7 at the latest
kind stag
we might not even see tuning for that ngl
minor gust
They don't tune for M+ in general. Only time they touch something is if it's absolutely insane broken in M+ and even then it's usually because it's also good in raid.
kind stag
we are gonna be so overgeared that they wont care
nova marsh
To what lol
kind stag
surv hunter or something idk
kind stag
nah i cant i never visited the island
feral, rogue and warriors only true melees left
unless ferals or rogues get some insaneo ranged melee stuff
nova marsh
unless ferals or rogues get some insaneo ranged melee stuff
Rogues dont
kind stag
frost dk i guess?
nova marsh
Acrobatic strikes is on AAs
Fdk
Does zero damage at range
Maybe for a gcd cuz rime does...something
kind stag
i know but frostwyrm, the frost plague
etc etc
doesnt breath still have more range than melee range?
kind stag
melee uptime and greed was skill now it just feels bad
nova marsh
i got the belt x3 time from roll tokens
How
kind stag
theres no fucking shot
did you roll prio to rollback?
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Avoidance pog
nova marsh
melee uptime and greed was skill now it just feels bad
Tbh im surprised blizzard hasnt just added vuln stacks to all aoes
To delete greed
kind stag
Tbh im surprised blizzard hasnt just added vuln stacks to all aoes
they should make ranged actually vulnerable atm they are tanky and also mobile and also ranged like
whats the downside
half the casters just got instacasts out the wazoo anyways
nova marsh
I think having infinite insta casts that do real damage is dumb
kind stag
half the classes play like bm hunter at this point lol
nova marsh
I mean im pretty dissapointed with midnights direction
kind stag
still think anger management is lowkey nerfing warrior
heavy dune
Even sub rogue can fan and black powder outside melee range
kind stag
blizzard sees that talent and thinks "woah good players are gonna spend a lot of rage and abuse this!"
meanwhile rage gen is scuffed
and execute is a one of the buttons of all times
silver sapphire
just grab a shaman
nova marsh
blizzard sees that talent and thinks "woah good players are gonna spend a lot of...
The only time we did
Was df with ip
thick kelp
am is their way of choosing how long our cds are
kind stag
flat dmg profiles just get neutered too often
thick kelp
ofc other specs can talent into flat cdr nodes but
the flatter your profile the worse
quick badge
ah, focused rage the good old days
kind stag
unless you are bm profile where the 30s doesnt matter its just fiesta mode
or survival, but survival funnels and pads a lot, and does it better than warrior
nova marsh
Evrey class should be dk
And do nothing outside of cds
But spike to hell and back inaide
kind stag
that feels intended this xpac no? most if not all dps specs do no dmg without cds?
nova marsh
(I would uninstall)
nova marsh
that feels intended this xpac no? most if not all dps specs do no dmg without cd...
Yeah
And I hate it
kind stag
uhdk in CDs is warcrime but outside of CDs literally ticklemonster
marble roost
hello everyone, is anyone willing to take a look at my logs in the log-review page for arms? The new guild i raid with was full on tanks, i main blood dk this xpac, and didn't have a warrior so I'm rolling one, I'm decently geared and have no idea what i am doing wrong to have my parses be so ass besides being stuck with the trinkets i have, I've watched a good bit of youtube videos on how to play both colossus and slayer and im just not where i want to be
nova marsh
Yes ik
kind stag
bejsd
nova marsh
And ill probably play evercold because of it
sterile turret
How much you guys doing on pure ST as Collosus?
kind stag
id play it but no one i play with raids and im tired of being midcore there
nova marsh
Its just infuriating to see wow do basically the same thing
kind stag
worst is that the way wow raids are designed there is reasons to hold CDs
rose matrix
Anyone having issues with invisible swirlies or swirlies that show up late in M+ sometimes
kind stag
and lot of ppl hold to pad, while boss dmg is actually low
nova marsh
How much you guys doing on pure ST as Collosus?
Not a lot
nova marsh
worst is that the way wow raids are designed there is reasons to hold CDs
Honestly the more this goes on, the more I actually hate midnights class design
Ffs
Even outlaw is kinda cd reliant
The literal incarnation of a cdr spex
kind stag
idk i dont hate it yet but they need to balance better
yet
ffxiv removing 2min meta is good but as a result they are leaving old versions in too, and balance is already getting kinda wonky, raid design having forced downtimes is never fun either
nova marsh
Balance goes up and down and I knew this season was gonna be omega scuffed in that regard
Im a crazy person who likes more consistent damage and to feel like youre always working towards something. That's why I like warrior
Theres never really a time I feel where the rotation dies
....cept when we run out of rage
kind stag
same its why i like fury warrior it just feels bad that they are so frightened of flat dmg profiles doing dmg
rose matrix
I just did like 75k dps on the first boss in Skyreach without lust as Colossus
rose matrix
Didn't know that was possible
quick badge
you are the chosen one
nova marsh
same its why i like fury warrior it just feels bad that they are so frightened o...
Flat damage profiles feel like blizz adds a catch 22 of being rng reliant instead
nova marsh
WOOF
rose matrix
That pull was bugged
For some reason the trash pull after didn't seperate from the boss pull
So idk what I did but it was good
kind stag
Flat damage profiles feel like blizz adds a catch 22 of being rng reliant instea...
real
nova marsh
And thats the actual problem
You either do nothing outside of cds or you get fucked by rng
rose matrix
kind stag
why is devourer not giga punished for cancelling gigaboom
rose matrix
Had to be close to 70k without the 2nd pull being added to ti
kind stag
lessgo
wintry scroll
i love using my rerolls for shit i already have
kind stag
coldest take
remove bleeds from arms and rework the spec
wintry scroll
freezing take
ramove warriors
quick badge
Bring back Legion arms, casino spec
kind stag
i do care about bleeds because they are always somehow busted in a bad way
nova marsh
Jesus fuck
wintry scroll
why do u wanna fuck jesus
nova marsh
....
kind stag
🤠
minor gust
I am pretty hot
nova marsh
Rngjesus fucks me hard evrey day
quick badge
I just want a good execute phase again, it's been watered down so much
nova marsh
I just want a good execute phase again, it's been watered down so much
SO TRUE
kind stag
I just want a good execute phase again, it's been watered down so much
they seem to hate good execute meanwhile half the specs are doing good execute
wintry scroll
typa shit that makes a man cry
candid kindle
“Slayer single target was too strong”
kind stag
does DH have any execute modifier?
quick badge
Garbage trinket for a garbage spec
candid kindle
wintry scroll
Garbage trinket for a garbage spec
what if i have 2
can i turn 2 myths into legendary ?
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1 for arms, 1 for fury
nova marsh
Ngl
candid kindle
wintry scroll
my 264 delve trinket sims better than myth that shit
nova marsh
I might skip s2 if blizz doubles down on this shir
wintry scroll
leg
wintry scroll
I might skip s2 if blizz doubles down on this shir
same might as well lock in uni
kind stag
I might skip s2 if blizz doubles down on this shir
i play MMOs if i have fwens to play with :D
nova marsh
i play MMOs if i have fwens to play with :D
I have friends in gw2
I can go back there
Or 14
wintry scroll
i have friends irl
kind stag
I have friends in gw2
lucky, i was hardcore raider then my guiild died
wintry scroll
i can go back to irl like i did in the tww s2
nova marsh
lucky, i was hardcore raider then my guiild died
RIP
kind stag
ff id raid if others i know would also
i dont wanna pug
both those games got better warriors btw
wintry scroll
ok i turned those trinkets into 2K gold
kind stag
insane
wintry scroll
and 5k gold for reroll
kind stag
big money
wintry scroll
maybe i'll make my gold back next dreamrift
candid kindle
There has to be someone inside blizzard that really hate warriors
kind stag
yeah, me
nova marsh
both those games got better warriors btw
Both the games just have nore interesting classes
Enginner my beloved
kind stag
based
nova marsh
14 wins an award for having my favorite version of a paladin
candid kindle
Black mage on 14 swag
kind stag
drk and ninja swag
olive nest
One of us pissed off somebody who is friends with a class developer and they were like yo can you ruin this guys season
candid kindle
This season xddxdxdd
olive nest
And by proxy the rest of us are cooked
nova marsh
i feel like this happening for some time no?
Remeber tww s1
kind stag
s3 of xpac when we good
nova marsh
The strays
kind stag
Remeber tww s1
granted fury dmg profile was giga for raids but still
olive nest
Some patches are good some are not but this is by far probably the worst that I can remember
kind stag
i didnt play warrior in nathria yet only tiny bit
nova marsh
Ehhhh I kinda agree
kind stag
but ive heard nathria doom was real
candid kindle
but ive heard nathria doom was real
Oh lemme tell ya
kind stag
nath was also giga insane for ranged specs no?
nova marsh
Yes
kind stag
same how current raids are....
candid kindle
Condemn wasn’t condemning it was pardoning
kind stag
pattern?
nova marsh
I feel like midnigyt
Is the first time I've genuinely disliked classes in wow
As a whole
kind stag
which raid tier was rly good for melee
maybe something in bfa? bfa killed my love for wow so i didnt raid til end
ashen trout
whats the consensus for fights like vorasius/beloren with the 5% nerf is fury the vibe or just doesnt rly matter since we do no dam anyway
kind stag
sepulcher maybe
nova marsh
I hated bfa content
But....I kinda loved bfa fury
Besides furious slash holy shit that one deserved to die
kind stag
balancing for ranged classes having 100% uptime is so funny
why are we not doing more dmg on 99% uptime
olive nest
This game will always favor ranged
candid kindle
sepulcher maybe
Sanctum wasn’t bad at all for melee
kind stag
favor is an understatement this tier
nova marsh
This game will always favor ranged
All mmos favor ranged
Unless they are actually intentionally undertuned
kind stag
Sanctum wasn’t bad at all for melee
ill believe you, i was enjoying ff at that time
nova marsh
Sanctum wasn’t bad at all for melee
Sanctum was okay for melee
Unless you couldn't backpeddle
Then get fucked
olive nest
Part of the melee package is getting uptime wrecked by mechanics sometimes
candid kindle
Ill take okay all day ma boy
nova marsh
Trueee
olive nest
And for warrior we get the big parry middle finger
kind stag
doing the melee dance should be rewarding, atm feels like im just getting punished for playing melee
olive nest
Well yeah of course
candid kindle
Ts feels like some exec inside blizzard really really hates warriors lmao
nova marsh
Did blizz troll us in df s1 too?
olive nest
If you want to have a good time in this game no matter what you play mage or you play warlock
nova marsh
(Aside from fury not getting a tier set)
olive nest
Everything else is a coin toss
candid kindle
Maybe because the word “war” is implied in the class, and they are all about selling this love peace thing
kind stag
peacerior when
candid kindle
Loverrior when
nova marsh
Fury fighter
olive nest
My buddy’s all just started playing gw2
kind stag
everything just HURTS
nova marsh
I mean
olive nest
Idk much about about
tropic tiger
Is warrior just really unpopular in china
kind stag
isnt CN even more meta chasing
tropic tiger
ye and they love DH
nova marsh
isnt CN even more meta chasing
Isnt cn always on the leader boards for keys?
nova marsh
Asia truly is the contient of gamers
olive nest
I honestly don’t think I’d ever invest as much as I have in wow throughout my life into another MMO I’m pretty confident I’d just start playing other style games all together
kind stag
i wish lot of WoW players would kick the addiction at least for lil bit and see the beauty of some other MMOs, even if they dont commit to it
just remove the WoW lenses
olive nest
Well yeah I get that too
For me I ask myself
Am I really going to do 15k hours into a new mmo over the next 10 years and rob my wife of all that time
Nah
kind stag
see how gw2 makes gameplay and open world, look at ffxiv balancing and raids, lost arks presentation, destinys accesibility
and list goes on
kind stag
Am I really going to do 15k hours into a new mmo over the next 10 years and rob ...
you robbing it one way or the other
olive nest
Yeah but I’ve gotten to the point with wow were I know exactly how to optimize it so raid logging two days a week and squeezing in 4 hours of dungeons randomly isn’t that bad
A new mmo is a whole new ball game
Where you just want to play every single day perma
nova marsh
i wish lot of WoW players would kick the addiction at least for lil bit and see ...
Ive removes that lens for a bit
rose matrix
I have tried other MMOs but the combat in wow always feels way better
To the point it can ruin the other games for me
olive nest
Wow combat is un matched
candid kindle
Asia truly is the contient of gamers
0 ms and a really ingrained hardcore grinding mentality along a superficially driven society will do that, if you’re not top or aspire to the top don’t play, wtv they do in asia, be gold farming, pvp or pve they minmax it to oblivion
olive nest
I am exactly the same
kind stag
thats subjective ofc, i prefer gw2 combat over most MMOs personally, but wow has a nice mix of lot of content, i also grew up with wc3 so thats big for me
candid kindle
0 ms and a really ingrained hardcore grinding mentality along a superficially dr...
They also never quit
candid kindle
Truers
nova marsh
Wow combat is un matched
Current wow combat has me doubting
nova marsh
Oh yes
candid kindle
Current wow combat has me doubting
Nah the combat is fine, the problem is that there’s classes that are favored for it, and others that should just watch how others enjoy combat
nova marsh
But I dont like the direction or the balance
olive nest
The combat is still the same you’re just experiencing the transition to more dummed down classes and content
nova marsh
The combat is still the same you’re just experiencing the transition to more dum...
And I dont like that
olive nest
Not to mention the UI garbage they’re forcing on us now
candid kindle
Nah the combat is fine, the problem is that there’s classes that are favored for...
Like the warrior class is now defined as a keyboard warrior, we have combat here in skyhokd disc because in game we blow
nova marsh
The game just feels like it plays worse
rose matrix
In all fariness outside of raid Arms is actually really good
kind stag
i actually got rly interested in MN because of removal of WAs and whatnot
othjer mmos i need 0 addons
i hate addon bloat
candid kindle
In all fariness outside of raid Arms is actually really good
The game is kinda designed around raiding
Regardless what content you do
nova marsh
i actually got rly interested in MN because of removal of WAs and whatnot
I dont like how bloated wow feels with addons
slow saddle
i actually got rly interested in MN because of removal of WAs and whatnot
Silly boy
olive nest
I feel it too yeah, also have to consider my chosen spec isn’t to hot in the raid right now so that blurs the opinion too ofc
nova marsh
But I also dont think they succeeded in the actual slightest
rose matrix
The game is kinda designed around raiding
Looking at Arms this tier I guess not for them lol
slow saddle
Cdm is a mess tts is a mess
rose matrix
I like the CDM but it clearly needs work
nova marsh
I feel it too yeah, also have to consider my chosen spec isn’t to hot in the rai...
I mean im also salty i dont like what they did qith fury
nova marsh
I was looking forward to playing both but fury feels genuinely awful
rose matrix
The UI and addon purge should have waited a year at least
slow saddle
I like the CDM but it clearly needs work
Its way shitter than what we had
olive nest
It’s really just an annoyance overall
Because we achieve the EXACT same outcome with 15 addons that was achievable before with 5 or less
candid kindle
It is rushed
Like almost every game since 2024
olive nest
It’s just dumb plain and simple
nova marsh
I miss having a ui
rose matrix
Its way shitter than what we had
I agree that it is but once they update over a couple years I can see it being good. It's pretty intuitive to use
candid kindle
They are to comfortable releasing unfinished crap and then apologize
slow saddle
My ui is pretty much the same
nova marsh
That I didnt have to fucking break my teeth on to get to fo basic things I want it to
nova marsh
They are to comfortable releasing unfinished crap and then apologize
Like evrey live service game lma9
nova marsh
Na man
slow saddle
So same as weakauras less control
slow saddle
Same
candid kindle
We are sorry we screwed your game experience, we di really care about our players thats why we are releasing this 12 mount pack you get if you buy a yearly subscription
slow saddle
We are sorry we screwed your game experience, we di really care about our player...
Facts🤣
Tbh id rather they tuned st
slow saddle
Ss?
rose matrix
It's honestly kinda annoying how the mounts in the shop always look sick and we get the same mount rig with a different texture on repeat
languid torrent
When you die, then someone else dies and your death recap shows their death recap
slow saddle
Ive had 0 issues
rose matrix
As if we don't already pay monthly and for the xpac
nova marsh
I have issues evrey day with it
slow saddle
Mby look at what u use
candid kindle
It's honestly kinda annoying how the mounts in the shop always look sick and we ...
Oh you think its a coincidence? Its 100% deliberate
Execs push that shit to please shareholders
keen siren
do u guys play slayer or colo on skyreach?
keen siren
i jusat hate doing no dmg on boss fights
olive nest
Omega dead after the deep wounds “bug fix”
candid kindle
Whats the issue
If you do to much gold u get banned
slow saddle
U do fine in
slow saddle
If you do to much gold u get banned
No?
keen siren
Omega dead after the deep wounds “bug fix”
whatd they do
ashen trout
any strats to maximize void orb dam on vaelgor and ezzorak? feel like some classes can start cranking them before they even get gripped together and they're almost dead before i demolish lol
slow saddle
Ive had m8s make a lot of gold
No
Just cry
And ignore em
I send demo into dragons
Sweep if i can
olive nest
whatd they do
Lowered the ST by 5% because deep wounds was dealing 2x the intended damage when applied by execute
slow saddle
Cleave
candid kindle
any strats to maximize void orb dam on vaelgor and ezzorak? feel like some class...
Your guild has to basically make it so you can parse there, which means lots of 2 target dps, few aoe dealers, druid knocks and mass grips in the right place
So good luck
ashen trout
kk that makes me feel better
it feels bad holding CDs for 10+ seconds for orbs and it doesnt amount to much
olive nest
Yeah are you running 3 mass grips?
olive nest
If the answer is no then gg
candid kindle
Just walk away from the grip and leave ur orb in between the 2 dragons
Ask a buddy if he can do the same
Ther eull work with 3-4 maybe 5 targets
ashen trout
thats a neat idea to get a bit more dam i like that
olive nest
My teams roster has nothing but omega aoers lol
slow saddle
Nn 2 hols demo
ashen trout
that and i'll be trying paladins for the first time, they make it sound like if i dont CD properly overlaps imma get my back blown out lmao
quick badge
I feel like I'm working so hard on dragons just to do middle of the pack dps
slow saddle
My teams roster has nothing but omega aoers lol
Because omega aoers are also top st dmg🤣
hushed topaz
Let the padders pad and just do BIG boss dam.. oh wait nvm
olive nest
2 ddh, a dev, 2mm, ww
candid kindle
Let the padders pad and just do BIG boss dam.. oh wait nvm
olive nest
Like bro it’s gg for sure
rose matrix
Any of you guys use an addon for targeted spells
candid kindle
Plater jundies
quick badge
Arms is the 2t cleave spec right 
olive nest
Actually 3ddh now if they slot in all 3 at the same time xdd
candid kindle
I just check the nameplates
deft bluff
aye gang
rose matrix
Does that work now? for a while the cast bar wouldn't show targeted players
deft bluff
are we completely fucked
rose matrix
Just the spell
quick badge
We're a raid buff
deft bluff
in keys i still feel okay but
olive nest
Yeah warriors cooked right now you just play it because you are cool
candid kindle
im raidinga nd i am doing NOTHING
olive nest
That’s about it
slow saddle
Exept dragon and paladins
deft bluff
man raid is just such a fucking
slow saddle
We decent
deft bluff
luckily we are takinga 2 week break
slender sonnet
My aug is ready to go
slow saddle
We lacked a grip
slender sonnet
apart from the fact that we dont even have a pwar for battle shout
warm fog
Imma spend 2 weeks gearin my dk
My DK will be ready for crown onwards
slender sonnet
so I think i'm locked in
slow saddle
My DK will be ready for crown onwards
Y same crown birdie and squirtir
I though mby arms could sneak in on falls
Dw nerfed killed that
warm fog
Y same crown birdie and squirtir
Grips for crown and great burn phase ST, and playing dps warrior on bird is active trolling
candid kindle
Mu existence on my raiding core basically translates to battle shout, rallying cry and because I don’t fuck mechs as often as others
My dam is irrelevant comoared to other classes
slow saddle
Same same also we are on dragons
slender sonnet
yeah that's why Im there
candid kindle
While trying the absolute best of my capacity to have a high uptime
slow saddle
Classes dont matter until crown
slender sonnet
we're starting paladins on sunday
toxic surge
Pros, what's the impact of the Slayer DW bugfix and are there any news about looking a bit more seriously into spec in terms of survivability?
olive nest
we're starting paladins on sunday
Lucky duck!
slow saddle
We inclused a prot war
olive nest
Best fight in the raid for arms gamers
slow saddle
Pros, what's the impact of the Slayer DW bugfix and are there any news about loo...
What
warm fog
Pros, what's the impact of the Slayer DW bugfix and are there any news about loo...
Slightly less ST 👍
warm fog
Arms is near immortal
Slayer just needs to actually use D stance
warm fog
Instead of just eating things with face like thane and colossus
toxic surge
Death drive is not very funny joke
olive nest
Warrior is very tanky you just have to use Dstance
Especially when you toss stance mastery ontop
toxic surge
I am doing both PvE and PvP, unsure if you could call Slayer tanky in pvp but I agree that overall PvE surv is decent especially Col
warm fog
PvP is a different game
toxic surge
Sure but let's hypothesize I already know the basics but in order to exercise that giga brain knowledge I have to survive the go-es and Slayer ain't good at it
zenith warren
excluding add pad col is still best on dragons?
slow saddle
Id say yes
slow saddle
Sure but let's hypothesize I already know the basics but in order to exercise th...
Sr dstance mastery iv + disarm
Dbts
Unless u are talkin 1v1
U have plenty of tools
candid kindle
Pvp its the same thing
toxic surge
yes, but clearly other classes have even more tools and there are dead talents like Death drive
slow saddle
yes, but clearly other classes have even more tools and there are dead talents l...
Nah
slow saddle
Most have lost a lot defensived
rare kite
Warrior is straight up invincible in Midnight
And yet i couldnt tank lura glaive on heroic smh my head(20k overkill)
lethal shoal
does heart of ancient hunger interact with reck pot?
stable fiber
does heart of ancient hunger interact with reck pot?
yes
thats a good proc though
you want crit
winged phoenix
Arms warrior male orc bug fixed?
stable fiber
im assuming fury probably wants mastery
lethal shoal
yeah that's what i thought
stable fiber
yeah that's what i thought
how much mastery do you have and how much crit during the heart proc
lethal shoal
952 haste, 767 mastery, 1308 during heart proc 😭
soft sigil
Arms warrior male orc bug fixed?
No
lethal shoal
would it be worth getting a different trinket to replace heart
stable fiber
you baseline need more mastery then haste before you can even think about using reck pot
no
stable fiber
just use light's potential
stable fiber
then you can use reck pot but you need to track vorasius heart
you want it to proc crit/mastery
think mastery is better but crit isnt bad
proccing haste is VERY VERY bad
visual otter
Blizzard could really learn to lean into the bugs if they are a net positive and it wasn't causing any shakeup. I can't feel bad they fixed a bug but also it's not like arms was breaking the meta with that 5% dmg
visual otter
I meant more you fix the bug but then just implement the increase officially.
dim basalt
Kha how much are you simming
dim basalt
5 minutes?
stable fiber
ye
dim basalt
Crazy
stable fiber
idk im not even that geared i feel
could be way more
ive gotten like 2 items from raid because im a warrior
dim basalt
I haven't tested with vantus but it's like 91.5k or so
stable fiber
everything else from vault/rr's
visual otter
I need to see that sim I'm not even close at 283
dim basalt
So with vantus prob around 95
stable fiber
i spend a lot of time optimizing my own sim
visual otter
Not that I don't believe you I just want to see the setup
dim basalt
I did sim bunch of stuff but there wasnt much room
stable fiber
yeah you gotta make it work, but the potion is nasty
stable fiber
id hope it would use it before
dim basalt
I can guarantee crit without guidon
stable fiber
it uses the pot when it bladestorms
latent moss
Idk if sim uses trinket before pot or the other way around
what trinket
dim basalt
Guidon
latent moss
guidon is before
stable fiber
gg
dim basalt
Yeah that must be why then
stable fiber
you can check it in the quick sim afaik
latent moss
i made it work before pot and it was a giant loss
dim basalt
Need to check later
latent moss
u can ye
dim basalt
Do you have the override still?
latent moss
not home till monday but i think i have it somewhere
dim basalt
No worries
latent moss
either way no point simming tbh
its a giant loss for me
to guidon before pot
to make it give haste
latent moss
i only simmed aoe and it was like 20% less
olive nest
Reck pot owns
stable fiber
its real good
olive nest
Next week 100k for sure
stable fiber
over 100k in raid anyways cause of the % raid buff
olive nest
True xdd
stable fiber
uhdk at 130k already
latent moss
Next week 100k for sure
dw my 15 ilvl lower ret
olive nest
Fuckem (udk)
latent moss
is at 100
olive nest
dw my 15 ilvl lower ret
Bro! I know right
latent moss
i still top boss dam in pugs but thats cause its pugs
walhe prolly tops boss dam in his yeeyee ass guild
latent moss
udhk could prolly
dim basalt
latent moss
do 1 button and outdps us on st
olive nest
That’s actually no joke
Isn’t it like a 20% loss
That might actually math higher
Omeglul
sudden fox
Prob gunna have to swap to dk for lura at this rate 
olive nest
Nah hold out
Arms is decent
Good execute
Well.. they did just kick the deep wounds
There’s that
sudden fox
Yeah the deep wounds bug is wild to be there since launch then only just now being fixed
Hope we see some sort of compensation
rare kite
Hope we see some sort of compensation
with the way midnight has been handled thus far i wouldn't hold my breath
marsh thistle
I loved the recent tuning passes on warri very good damge indeed
sudden fox
with the way midnight has been handled thus far i wouldn't hold my breath
Its straight copium for me, we’ve been toyed with the entire time so far
Balancing this tier has been pretty awful across the board
marsh thistle
yeah devourer needs another buff its not first place on some bosses
tight terrace
heya! just a quick question. im progressing lura hc with the guild and im comparing logs. sometimes i struggle to aligne bladestorm due to low sudden death procs. now i saw another warrior had 55 sudden death procs where i had 30 going when we hit 10%. is sudden death proct based on luck? or am i missing haste or something? Every pull procs also differ wildly, sometimes i have to spam slam and another pull i dont have to use slam due to all the procs.
stable fiber
heya! just a quick question. im progressing lura hc with the guild and im compar...
there is unfortunately literally noting you can do lol
except pray for sd procs
sometimes you just dont have bladestorm line up and you kinda just need to wait
haste does help SD procs but you really just trust w/e the sim says
sudden fox
yeah devourer needs another buff its not first place on some bosses
Bring back glad warrior as a new spec then we can be OP for a while
bleak arrow
do 1 button and outdps us on st
Unless they totally fucked the rotation I bet devo or demo would fuck us pretty hard with it as long casters
tight terrace
Ait ty! Feels bad though, dps changes from 75 to 120k 🤣
fallen bolt
it's really stupid as proc
bleak arrow
I’m sad we don’t upload a profile to simcraft.
spice field
what is the optimal m+ build at the moment?
stable fiber
what is the optimal m+ build at the moment?
colossus build on wowhead
dim basalt
The first few keys after new resil are such a nightmare man
echo crane
do we need to sim for bonus roll uses? or can i just spam PoS
stable fiber
do we need to sim for bonus roll uses? or can i just spam PoS
pos is very safe
literally the only awful item is the cloak (and obviously depending on character if you have tier already ect)
but there are sites that are good at telling you what it good for you
echo crane
appricate it, dont have premium for sims so just being lazy
twin hazel
Did Weapon enchant change?
blissful tinsel
literally the only awful item is the cloak (and obviously depending on character...
Lmao I rolled that first last night
After rolling tier I already had fishing for Vor trinket 
Only up from here… maybe
stable fiber
Did Weapon enchant change?
changes with gear
stable fiber
Lmao I rolled that first last night
do you already have gaze
potent drum
anyone know why PuzzleBox siming so high?
I have 1023crit with Gaze+Vorasius both HC and yet the the PB myth is showing +3.2% up on my dps
ionic mica
link the sim
dim basalt
anyone know why PuzzleBox siming so high?
I have 1023crit with Gaze+Vorasius bot...
Because its a good trinket, why wouldnt it sim high?
Especially in comparison to hc trinkets
vale warren
I rerolled a mythic hammer last night 💪 so I guess I’m burning crests to upgrade?
sacred zodiac
it should cost you 20 crests if you crafted a mythic wep
elder sandal
at mythic vanguard, do i only ever press cleave if i can hit all 3?
dim basalt
@hasty pumice Queued for 2h and didnt get a single invite for a +19 this is so doomed
Last week it was raining invites and now Im not getting one
What the fuck changed
As if any of them dks or dhs deal any damage
potent drum
Because its a good trinket, why wouldnt it sim high?
asking cause I only saw one guy on the leaderboard with it and most of the opinion I see on this chat are not favorable to it, thats why i'm curious
fervent cedar
I think the solution is to nerf arms again personally
dim basalt
asking cause I only saw one guy on the leaderboard with it and most of the opini...
I mean its not easy to get it on myth track and most dislike it because its very annoying to use
But its stupidly strong when combined with reck pot
potent drum
yeah thats fair, i have it in vault myth track and I am hesitating to take it. It sim replacement of Gaze
vale warren
big ups @sacred zodiac
any suggestions on where to get a decent cloak and boots?
oh i guess i'm crafting cloak now XD
bright ginkgo
Cloak - craft
Boots - Catalyst
vale warren
can you skip straight to mythic cloak? or do you have to recraft hero and then mythic
bright ginkgo
You can craft 285 cloak directly, 285 ilvl
vale warren
sweet, thanks for the info @bright ginkgo
bright ginkgo
No problem!
blissful tinsel
do you already have gaze
yeh and OMG I JUST ROLLED POS SHOULDERS
I have whiffed every single bonus roll so far
upper sparrow
how do yall log?
lean geode
What do you mean
sand totem
at mythic vanguard, do i only ever press cleave if i can hit all 3?
Hit cleave if you got 3 stacks of collateral
lean geode
Like how to upload the logs?
upper sparrow
Like how to upload the logs?
Yea how do I automate the process to where it just works every time I do a dungeon or raid
blissful tinsel
Yea how do I automate the process to where it just *works* every time I do a dun...
Most QOL addons have an autolog function
but that only starts the logging afaik you still have to start/upload the log in WCL
lean geode
Yea how do I automate the process to where it just *works* every time I do a dun...
There are a handful of addons that will start the log when you zone in, MRT and EQOL do I know. You'll still need to use the WCL uploader to start the live logging or upload the log though
Warcraftrecorder might do both maybe? I don't use it idk
upper sparrow
There are a handful of addons that will start the log when you zone in, MRT and ...
How do you upload the log
hallow fiber
Prot main trying to get a myth 2h weapon:
Which dungeon has a good 2h and a small loot pool where I can send my rolls?
lean geode
How do you upload the log
See "Uploading Logs" here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/start
upper sparrow
Prot main trying to get a myth 2h weapon:
Which dungeon has a good 2h and a sma...
PoS
upper sparrow
See "Uploading Logs" here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/start
Sweet, thanks for the help
ebon tendon
Prot main trying to get a myth 2h weapon:
Which dungeon has a good 2h and a sma...
pit
hallow fiber
Tyty
rancid charm
was looking forward to arms on lura but i guess not
blissful tinsel
was looking forward to arms on lura but i guess not
I spent my time on the bench gearing my DK
spare tree
Havent checked in since launch. arms still bad?
hybrid needle
Anyone playing with enhancement shamans every now and then ?
lean geode
Havent checked in since launch. arms still bad?
Pretty decent in M+, not very good in raid but still playable
untold pewter
Hit cleave if you got 3 stacks of collateral
Pretty sure we no longer hit cleave at 2 targets even with 3x collateral since the mortal wounds got moved to Slam, right?
hoary helm
its normal that arms playstile is so slowly compared to fury?
first day i try arms
today
hushed topaz
Yes, fury always has a haste buff due to enrage. So arms is going to play slower by default
wind hatch
Pretty sure we no longer hit cleave at 2 targets even with 3x collateral since t...
you do
Here's the apl for it
ebon tendon
was looking forward to arms on lura but i guess not
why not
knotty coral
What's the dps difference between colossus and slayer in m+?
abstract lion
Sup. Im switching from fury. Do you guys macro ur cooldowns together ?
wraith lichen
Im bad so I do macro avatar and cs
rare kite
Sup. Im switching from fury. Do you guys macro ur cooldowns together ?
no. macroing very bad as arms
kindred breach
What's the dps difference between colossus and slayer in m+?
the more targets present, the bigger the difference between the two
minor gust
no. macroing very bad as arms
The fury's are spoiled now there's no reason to ever have reck and ava not macrod
rare kite
big tru
nova marsh
its normal that arms playstile is so slowly compared to fury?
Fury is a high af apm spec, espically since it isnt running powerful atm
I dont think many specs are in fury's realm of carpal tunnel
wraith lichen
I think the only real competing specs in apm is like enh and outlaw
minor gust
What's the dps difference between colossus and slayer in m+?
Difficult to give numbers like that but slayer is worse than Colo especially with the nerf yesterday sooo play it just for fun
wind hatch
beloren is such an asss fight
reef glade
wind hatch
finally unbenched and its for this atrocity
boreal torrent
Is there just a straight ST build besides the raid build? Doing mythic saladbar and my tanks refuse to keep boss in cleave range.
so my dmg is just straight dog poo poo beacuse not able to cleave anything
latent moss
i would crash out
boreal torrent
I am
indigo cradle
Just don't hit buttons until they agree to it
boreal torrent
I got off the bench due to a mage not showing up so don't wanna get put back, lol
hybrid needle
i hate those pug groups that advertise with "first 3 VS" and then disband group after first boss
minor gust
beloren is such an asss fight
Can't be worse than alleria
reef glade
alleria is banger
and you can kill with like any comp
belo is cbt if u dont have like 80% optimal dps comp
wind hatch
Can't be worse than alleria
i was only in for alleria for a couple of pulls filling for someone else but beloren is worse ez
reef glade
i enjoyed it as arms...
but belo worse in that regard
the only cool thing we can do is prestack heroic might going into egg
minor gust
Gotta prog Alleria right now with with bug fix lowering my p3 dmg
upper sparrow
no. macroing very bad as arms
What about avatar/bladestorm?
indigo cradle
Is there just a straight ST build besides the raid build? Doing mythic saladbar ...
It's some slayer shit with Martial Prowess, Overpowering Finish, remove cleave and mass execution
boreal torrent
It's some slayer shit with Martial Prowess, Overpowering Finish, remove cleave a...
tyty
reef glade
yea i mean 2t talents only "reasonable" picks
minor gust
Yes that is indeed a saladbar build
reef glade
but also kinda doesnt do a lot if tanks dont position giga
steep walrus
Is arms or fury better? I cant seem to get a good answer that explains which one and why
indigo cradle
Yes
boreal torrent
yeah I am losing my mind
latent moss
but also kinda doesnt do a lot if tanks dont position giga
well now that dw is fixed ure not losing much
lean geode
Is arms or fury better? I cant seem to get a good answer that explains which one...
The reason you can't get a good answer is because it's a very vague question
"how long is a piece of string" type question
boreal torrent
liek I get maybe one hit right when the orbs get in range for sweeping to hit
lean geode
Arms is generally better pure single target, and generally better aoe (at the cost of much of its single target). Fury is better for doing some of both at the same time
If you aren't HoF raiding or doing title range keys, you can play whichever you prefer
boreal torrent
I almost might even take ravager to throw it all the small adds
latent moss
Arms is generally better pure single target, and generally better aoe (at the co...
love having to make this tradeoff
minor gust
The reason you can't get a good answer is because it's a very vague question
Fury arms why?
latent moss
in midnight year of our lord big 26
boreal torrent
because we are like playing catch up with our tanks just running all around while we chase with the orbs
indigo cradle
Both are good if you play well as well
Biz is playing arms just over 4k in m+, noxiv is close playing fury
lean geode
steep walrus
Gotcha well, is one considered easier than the other?
reef glade
fury prolly 1-2 less main rotational buttons
but slayer arms not that bad
colo is kind of a train wreck of bloat tho
steep walrus
Well so am I just supposed to play colossus in all keys now? I tried slayer today in a 12 skyreach and it felt pretty bad. Although, I am also bad. This is only week 2 of doing pve for me ever.
wind hatch
slayer is playable but colo is just better
upper sparrow
Can someone smarter than me explain why macroing avatar/bladestorm is bad? Shouldn’t you always send them together, even if that means holding avatar for a bit?
steep walrus
I want to know the answer to this as well^
And then is colossus on more than just vanguards in raid now?
And if slayer, do we take cleave at all?
graceful agate
Can someone smarter than me explain why macroing avatar/bladestorm is bad? Shoul...
Avatar is on AM BS is not I use colosmash and ava together both are on AM
wind hatch
Can someone smarter than me explain why macroing avatar/bladestorm is bad? Shoul...
sometimes you will want to send cs and avatar without bs
if you dont have bs
steep walrus
Bro all these acronyms I cant keep up lol
cyan skiff
am i hearing this right? deep wounds got a nerf?
steep walrus
Whats AM
graceful agate
Anger management
steep walrus
Hm is that a talent or something? Im confused what you meant by what you said exactly. Sorry :/
Ah I see
So avatar and cs will end up having shorter cooldowns than bs?
upper sparrow
sometimes you will want to send cs and avatar without bs
I keep running into avatar being 15ish seconds behind when CS and bladestorm is ready
Feel like bladestorm is always up quicker than avatar is with AM
steep walrus
I need to figure out a better bind for avatar rn i have it on z and I cant really press that at the same time as cs on 1
graceful agate
Macro them together
hybrid needle
use a mousebutton or A/D/Q/E
steep walrus
I think I will do a mouse button
I tried it but kept it on z as well and kept just doing z out of muscle memory. I gotta just take it off z completely
wind hatch
if you really want to macro avatar to anything I would do it with cs
but I wouldnt do that either
empty chasm
where do we roll on arms :o
steep walrus
I heard pit
hybrid needle
I tried it but kept it on z as well and kept just doing z out of muscle memory. ...
I have exe and Ava on Mouse, rest is whatever
indigo cradle
pit has bis or equivalent in pretty much every item it drops, especially if you aren't clearing a lot of mythis
you can use raidbots.com to sim everthing for yourself
Just fuck around with it for awhile and you will figure it out
upper magnet
is cleave still higher prio than mortal strike for colossus in 2T?
indigo cradle
droptimizer sim will show you which items from which dungeons are upgrades and by how much so you can decide
minor gust
am i hearing this right? deep wounds got a nerf?
Got a bug fix
boreal torrent
got saladbar down, on to chim. Is the collosus build worth it for mythic? Or just stick slayer aoe?
reef glade
chim after salhadaar kinda crazy
but slayer should be fine, would say colo only worth if ur group does like zero add dmg
add dmg pretty irrelevant
boreal torrent
Yeah we have some big pumpers
wind hatch
got saladbar down, on to chim. Is the collosus build worth it for mythic? Or jus...
just play slayer
with broad strokes powerful momentum
again
if you are first soak hold bladestorm and maybe avatar on pull
boreal torrent
2nd group 🙂
minor gust
2nd grp ez send everything on pull and make sure u got CDs for when you go down
Good RNG it all lines up
fringe leaf
even in 17s-18s people still dont know arms needs funnel to do decent boss damage lol at least with the m+ build
but i guess honestly its kind of on the mid to low end of keys at this point
so players who actually watch/involved in m+ are in the 19s ish
steep walrus
Does anyone have a list of which spec for each raid boss? One for each mythic would be cool too. I tried making one but idk if it changed now.
For raid it was pretty much all slayers single target. Maybe some with some aoe I dont remember. And then colossus for vanguard and maybe dragons? But maybe just vanguard idk
reef glade
yea i mean slayer basically everything except paladin and you can do colo on dragons and is prolly still overall better on the stipulation ur like.. never pressed for boss damage at this point cuz like raid buff and boss doesnt have huge dps check and things like that, but if you have a raid full of omega orb padders like boomies/dev dhs/rets or something else probably not worth bothering with colo and just chad slayering for boss dmg
steep walrus
Okay cool. Is wowhead the best we have for rotation guide? When I joined this discord I was hoping for a long, in depth, current, written guide.
random heart
Hi
Is Fervor of Battle bugged for Arms atm? I'm not seeing any damage or sound effect from Slam/Heroic Strike
hidden merlin
Does demolish act like a cone in front of you or all around?
stable fiber
Does demolish act like a cone in front of you or all around?
i believe its around the target
just a aoe circle around your target
stable fiber
Hi
Is Fervor of Battle bugged for Arms atm? I'm not seeing any damage or sound e...
the sound effect is bugged afaik
everything else works properly now with fervor of battle
its doing damage and the slam crits are applying deep wounds
idk i dont play with sound on
humble gale
does someone here have a RECENT kill of mythic paladin boss on arms I can look at? Trying to figure what im doing wrong but all the vods I see on YT are from like a month ago
reef glade
does someone here have a RECENT kill of mythic paladin boss on arms I can look a...
if u can stomach the overlays B)
reef glade
epic
humble gale
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2759466055?t=1h30m20s
ty
reef glade
damn this is some ahh audio tho think mic was quieter than normal on settings
minor gust
even in 17s-18s people still dont know arms needs funnel to do decent boss damag...
Yeah don't expect pugs to cater to an arms warrior and give them funnel. Most pugs arent pulling shit onto boss unless it's required to time the key which won't be till like 21s and up
humble gale
Okay I think I figured out what im doing wrong need to hit mortal strike more xd
reef glade
mortal strike very good...
minor gust
Rule number one of arms
reef glade
especially on 2t but honestly think its even better than cleave on 3t
up to 4x as much colossal might stacks
lets me get 2nd demo off in first cs on pull
and third demo off with 2nd cs before senn runs away for the first time
minor gust
especially on 2t but honestly think its even better than cleave on 3t
Yeah on paladins I was prioing MS over cleave on our rekill even when they were 3
nova marsh
Lmao
"Shift clicking a Damage Meter row now opens a details window that stays open until manually closed"
Waiting multiple months to get basic functionality baxk
minor gust
Makes just blasting demo on CD gogogo
humble gale
feel like a bozo not figuring thatout on my own
covert patrol
are we still using cleave with ravager down on ST?
minor gust
No
ionic bane
any1 else not getting invited in pug queues lol
i can get in on my mage 20 item lvls lower and get in a 10 instantly
nova marsh
any1 else not getting invited in pug queues lol
Welcome to warrior
And pug life in general
bleak arrow
Oh yeah I’m at the minimum for zinvites to 10s at 283 and 3250
nova marsh
Push higher
bleak arrow
Pugs ain’t playin
ionic bane
i will once i get my weapon craft
nova marsh
Whats ur weapon now
nova marsh
....are you fury
ionic bane
ai must explode
soft venture
When is ST buff lolol
bleak arrow
Simc is not ai
That’s what it wants you to think
mystic summit
u suffer
vale warren
representing arms well in seat :3
lean geode
is that whole group afk
mystic summit
🙂
cedar cairn
what do if my current stack has no sham and wont typically funnel? Slayer time???
lean geode
Fury angle (real (maybe not real))
You can sim with and without wft but colossus still probably better for keys
mystic summit
i am now refusing to run a dungeon with prot paladin or guardian
lean geode
every bear I've had in pug keys has been utter cheeks
mystic summit
died 3 times ripping aggro from a bear then next key prot pally just made of paper
blizz needs to buff the other tanks up to brew level and the game will be fun
mystic summit
fr
pulsar frost
ask me how i know
mystic summit
literally what just happened to me
nova marsh
Dumb question
because I can't tell in all the chaos sometimes, but what's the name of the salvo mobs in the first pull of windrunner spire?
pulsar frost
just kill them
nova marsh
we tried that
pulsar frost
pop DRS
nova marsh
I mean idk man those things TRUCK on a +15
pulsar frost
had no issues with them in 15, 16 was kinda scuff sus but 17s hurt