arms

[hasty pumice]

Still worth

[tacit crystal]

but seat makes sense

[hasty pumice]

But your team needs to know about it

[vocal flicker]

check his YouTube channel, there is a video from AA with st build, I'm not near pc now

[hasty pumice]

If they pull the boss before you're there gg

[river tapir]

How big is the arms hotfix in % ? How much did we lose boys ....

[tacit crystal]

i mean they have c if they do that

[indigo quail]

Np tks found the channel

[stable fiber]

we lose ~4% on st and gain a good amount of prio/funnel damage in m+

[river tapir]

4% Jesus Christ, ty

[stable fiber]

yup

so now we actually do sim dps

instead of more then sim dps

and our sim dps was already low among most specs in this game

[river tapir]

Surely a buff is coming next week then

[flat willow]

indeed

[stable fiber]

idk fury is gonna need something

[humble thistle]

[stable fiber]

arms not so much but fury needs something

[flat willow]

my sources just told me another unholy dk buff is coming next week

[humble thistle]

Surely blizzard is gonna work tirelessly on their favourite class to balance

[cold cargo]

Whatever blizz is doing with warrior

is just stupid

[humble thistle]

Historically many balancing updates for warrior

[cold cargo]

Why can Ret have S tier Utility, good prio, aoe and singletarget

In a single build

and survivability + offheal / spotheals

[indigo quail]

[cold cargo]

And warrior has at most 1 or 2 of those things

[lusty slate]

how do u guys send demolish after the changes , on cd ? Even if c smash is close to come back ?

[stable fiber]

i think arms is just better then ret but its w/e

these changes dont really hurt arms in m+

it only buffs us

[flat willow]

arms deals more damage in overall than ret for now, so it's better ( in m + )

[stable fiber]

yeah i mean overall is typically what matters the most

[flat willow]

just don't show a blizzard dev a key where an arms warrior is doing more damage than an unholy

or they'll nerf cleave damage by 50%

[cold cargo]

its better in big pulls ofc but no prio dmg or utility compared to a ret, way harder to build a comp around wheress ret mostly fits in everything

[stable fiber]

what

no prio damage

are you insane

[cold cargo]

Execution Sentence + Full Rota burst vs Arms prio?

[stable fiber]

fob is unironically one of the strongest talents in the game

[flat willow]

arms deals one gorillion prio damage

all the time

[stable fiber]

^

have u seen what arms does to bosses with funnel

i wonder if new logs have popped up after the bug fix

actually we can check

[flat willow]

having 3 targets instead of one doubles your single target

[stable fiber]

its more then double now i think

[dreamy sandal]

I just know that my Ret buddy does a gajillion dmg to certain boss adds in a way shorter time than me.

[stable fiber]

ok im lying

but

[cold cargo]

True that, maybe I am just traumatised by the last 15 Skyreach ones I had without any funnel

[stable fiber]

skyreach is bad

ignore that dungeon

[flat willow]

I mean yeah, they have a 1 min cd made to nuke one target in particular

[cold cargo]

im missing for resi tho :,)

[dreamy sandal]

Yeah, they are way better at than than arms

And many other things as well

[stable fiber]

this is insane coping going on

idk

[cold cargo]

Anyways, as long as we can all agree nothing is more cringe than rerolling to ddh

[humble thistle]

Rerolling is cringe

[flat willow]

rolling to unholy dk tho, that's cool

[stable fiber]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/61F4KJMvQbg7yw9n?fight=1&type=damage-done&pull=8&targetclass=Boss

man ret is crazy on this 3t boss

funnel goes crazy

ignore the arms doing 130k st to saprish

btw

[flat willow]

do not show that to blizzard

[stable fiber]

keep in mind its more then just 3 targets

they pulled even more

so SURELY the funneling ret would do more damage

right??

he probably should be doing more damage

but noting comes close to arms in a realistic scenario

[flat willow]

unholy kinda owning

I thought on 3 targets ret would be above

[dreamy sandal]

I think people were talking about ret doing more prio dmg in a shorter time than arms

or i missunderstood

[stable fiber]

i mean sure?

a shorter time

lmao

[flat willow]

yeah on 10 seconds ret has more prio damage

on anything else they don't

[dreamy sandal]

Yeah, nuking the add on for example last boss of Pit is valuable

[flat willow]

but I think that's a very specific scenario

[dreamy sandal]

Ret does that way better, even though there is funnel

[supple blade]

Someone explain to me pls how does funnel work for arms because I have no idea what is causing arms to have great funnel

[flat willow]

good try blizzard

[cold cargo]

XDD

[stable fiber]

yeah but are you really gonna use your 1m cd on this

i think thats fake

[dreamy sandal]

Yes, in my last +20 pally did that all the time and it was great

add died insta

[stable fiber]

also the log im looking at

the arms is gapping the ret

by a lot

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FydgnmhqTkC8WbvZ?fight=82&type=damage-done&pull=12&target=1377

think the arms can switch and do just as much

[cold cargo]

Taking a ret just for pure dmg shouldnt ever be the sole reason tho

[stable fiber]

the ret in this log doesnt seem to be switching

but

or?

[flat willow]

the ret on the boss seems to executioner sentence the boss

[cold cargo]

But playing a babysitter dps isnt remotely as much fun as warr or rogue

[flat willow]

which is probably better to just kill the boss fast

[stable fiber]

also arms brings bshout and just does more damage

rally is semi relevant in m+ again

[thick kelp]

[flat willow]

now you're just going too far

[rose matrix]

Arms is pretty slept on in M+ right now

[flat willow]

I refuse to give rallying cry compliments

[cold cargo]

its not but ppl are just metaslaving hard tbh

[dreamy sandal]

Arms is good y, but it just feels like ret gets everything in one package, while we have to trade away a lot to be good at one thing

[cold cargo]

Every phys comp enjoyer

Knows how good arms is

But still rather take Uhdk, devdh or demo

[stable fiber]

they randomly buffed ddh and uhdk by 10% in aoe, aug fits really well into both of their profiles and also happens to be bug abusing to do 10% more dps as well.

[cold cargo]

Ret is decent at a lot but not REALLY good at anything

[stable fiber]

so offensively that comp is just insane

[rose matrix]

I mean I feel like based off of my queueing experience that Arms is slept on

[cold cargo]

True that

good luck getting invited

[flat willow]

it's more like arms needs a shaman to not be disgusting on single target

[rose matrix]

Sometimes I see Fury taken over me and I am confused

[cold cargo]

goes for all warr specs rn tho

[flat willow]

and there's just not that many shamans

[wintry scroll]

guys is bnet client bugged

i try to open it and it's transparent

[cold cargo]

Most enhance shammys are just warr mains on alts

enhance is rly fun tho

[rose matrix]

Most shamans you get are healers

[cold cargo]

I love monk healers tbh

[rose matrix]

Basically no Enhance and sometimes Ele

[wintry scroll]

i've seen enhance yesterday

[cold cargo]

But with brew being as op as it is

rarely see these

[wintry scroll]

they do crazy ST but then they suck

[cold cargo]

Ele is also just a nuke on 2 mins cd

but they both fun to play

[rose matrix]

Been a while since I have seen Enhance in a key

[wintry scroll]

this is how my bnet is WTF is happening

i even restarted and everything

[stable fiber]

ctlr + shift + esc

[cold cargo]

Wanted to push some keys on mine today ima see how the experience is

[stable fiber]

click bnet

force close

idk

[cold cargo]

Or I gear my Outlaw

[stable fiber]

all i can think of

[cold cargo]

Either one

could also do the Udk but I find that spec to be quite boring

[rose matrix]

Can anyone notice the bugfix?

Or was it not as bad as we thought

[reef glade]

should be like 4% st nerf yeah

[rose matrix]

Not that one but the FoB one

That nerf is just a joke

[clever crag]

Wtf what nerf

[slender sonnet]

Does anyone have raidbots premium and can run a myth track dungeon droptimiser for me so I can figure out what to do with my bonus rolls

[rose matrix]

Seeing bad st on both warrior specs and then nerfing it is hilarious

Somehow Dev and Unholy got massive buffs and our st gets nerfed on both specs

[thick kelp]

sure

[balmy kindle]

Think ench is meh and ele is kinda meh too

On top of being squishy as hell

[rose matrix]

I feel like Ele can be strong it just relies a lot on being played around and I pug most of my keys

[stable fiber]

it needs to turret

enabled by aug

[balmy kindle]

Dmg profile kinda similar to us

Big big aoe

[stable fiber]

on a final note i will say

[balmy kindle]

Enchant kinda terrible though, needs super high uptime

[stable fiber]

that uhdk still sims 50% more then colossus st (not a joke this is real)

goodnight

[balmy kindle]

[rose matrix]

I think to fix that issue requires a 2% nerf to Colossus St and 4% buff to Unholy

[humble thistle]

I think making cleave 4T capped would make us viable again

[balmy kindle]

Just delete warrior

[rose matrix]

Colossus St sims are cooked

I cringe whenever I look at it

[left shard]

What did I Miss

I only saw the bug fix

[balmy kindle]

Colo ST has always been cooked

Its just how cooked

[indigo quail]

[kind stag]

guys what am i reading in updates

[slow saddle]

we got cooked in raid

[kind stag]

i was not aware arms warrior needed balancing

[reef glade]

another 3-4% warrior dps nerf

[kind stag]

chat is this real

why does blizz hate warrior

[indigo quail]

Word on the street class dev wife ran away with a warr player

[kind stag]

i see updates channel lit up i thought holy shiz its a buff lets go

and then reality hit

[kind stag]

NOOOOOO

[indigo quail]

Im joking class dev is an intern on the mail room

[kind stag]

buff UH and devourer

they deserve it

ret pala too, i like when class has 1min cds stronger than some 2-3min cds

[indigo quail]

WoW is the paladin game. Should be World of Paladincraft. We just all NPC on Turalyion story

[floral tide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDFiwGaP8lw

The chosen one has found a solution

[kind stag]

can Biz stop being so good i think blizz watches him and thinks we are op

but its just him being inhuman

[floral tide]

I've been running this build and having good results the past few nights. It's great not doing tank damage on bosses haha

[umbral badger]

wait, is that why slayer felt like it was doing more dmg than usual after 12.0.5 ?🤣

[kind stag]

warrior fun detected

we cant have that

[daring heron]

Deep wounds has been bugged like that pretty much this whole time actually

[umbral badger]

the moment slayer average damage like other classes they were like 'WAIT, SOMETHING IS WRONG, LETS NERF THAT !

[fresh spire]

Been bugged since beta

[umbral badger]

wow

[floral tide]

I had no idea execute was doing double deep wounds dmg

[kind stag]

surely compensation st buffs right?

guys right?

[fresh spire]

Surely

[umbral badger]

so wait , we were doing trash dmg with a bug that made our bleed do double damage ?

omfg

[halcyon valve]

Bug fix: arms was doing damage

[reef glade]

[daring heron]

blizzard is happy with how warrior is performing at the moment

[kind stag]

is warrior even a thing on lura

[slender sonnet]

I've seen enough, nerf warrior

[umbral badger]

WE WERE DOING TANK DPS WITH A BUG THAT GAVE OUR BLEED DOUBLE DAMAGE? WHAT

[fresh spire]

They have been for many expansions

[kind stag]

except prot

[reef glade]

arms been doin like 4% higher than shown on sim dps the whole time

[fresh spire]

[reef glade]

poggers

[halcyon valve]

Yeah

[kind stag]

prot warrior jail

[slender sonnet]

my warriors going to the retirement home

[reef glade]

Arms def good on Lura still

just not as much

[slender sonnet]

i just play aug now

[umbral badger]

yes, blizzaard seems to be much happier than the warrior community about warriors 😄

[reef glade]

fury also serviceable ish apook did pretty good

[fresh spire]

Time to un talent deep wounds as fury

[kind stag]

ive heard colossus on prot is good now i wanna assume they have decent ST dmg for such raid fights

[umbral badger]

and that bug only applied from the deepwounds from execute, right ? so it was probably part of the reason why colossus sucked in m+ compard to slayer ?

[reef glade]

feel like that should have been so easy to catch as fury thinking about it tho

[daring heron]

they keep finding ways to nerf our bleeds

it's wild

[reef glade]

arms is hard since u have 4 sources of DW

[kind stag]

maybe they should make warrior not a bleed class and let feral and sin rogues do it

[reef glade]

but I have to assume slayer quick sim for fury would show dw at like 2-3%

When it’s like 5-6 in practice

[umbral badger]

hey, rend is doing 2% to 3% of our damage, you should be happy about that !

[reef glade]

But no one ever cared to look at deep wounds fury dmg ig lol

[ionic mica]

Other specs get bug fixes and compensation buffs for them 🫠

[vast helm]

so true and so ridiculous

[kind stag]

how does arms look in algethar after this now on high keys

i know AA has st

[umbral badger]

it's so funny because adding deep wounds to slam made me remove my rend from the action bar as a slayer 😄

in ST

[sacred zodiac]

how much damage loss is it yellow man!

[reef glade]

Like 3% for fury 4% for arms! Have fun!

[sacred zodiac]

👎

why is fury losing damage

[kind stag]

fuck my slayer fury chud life

[umbral badger]

probably nothing much for colossus though, right ?

[sacred zodiac]

wait does fury have deep wounds too

[reef glade]

Cuz fury dared to have deep wounds execute in its talent tree!

sure does!

[sacred zodiac]

lmao fuck me

[reef glade]

And prot!

also affected!

[umbral badger]

like i assume colossus did so little deepwounds damage from executes anyway

so maybe this will warrent an aura buff "cope"

[reef glade]

Yea if u don’t have it talented as Colo doesn’t matter

Which u don’t in m+

Or vanguard

mostly slayer st

[kind stag]

true you only pressed SD exe on colo right?

[umbral badger]

no i mean even if you had i t talented, you rarely got to execute.

[reef glade]

yea I mean u prolly shouldn’t talent into more exe if ur not gonna hit it a bit more but yea should just be less of a loss

since slayer has more sd’s and shit

[kind stag]

fury can finally take hack n slash now instead

[umbral badger]

so by such nerf they bring both specs closer together and if they are weak an aura buff will be more universal for the spec in terms of ST

[kind stag]

goat is back

[vast helm]

How did Blizzard manage to let this bug survive into the live servers and only fix it now?

[reef glade]

wait let him cook

Reworked hack and slash chads? Time for the actual real true rb build?

[kind stag]

ive heard there are still tons of midnight beta bugs on live

that people reported tons

[reef glade]

(none of the sims should change cuz sim still thought deep wounds is doing the dmg it is now doing)

[vast helm]

what was BETA for?

[kind stag]

with surge of adrenaline too, we are so back

[umbral badger]

i don't think you understand hte irony though, just imagine how the class was released so weak, it needed many major buffs and yet it was released with a bug that HELPED it's dps.

[vast helm]

oh we are playing BETA now sorry

[kind stag]

pre alpha

[umbral badger]

so without the bug we were actually lower than tank dps on release ? xd

like wtf is going on 😄

[reef glade]

been awake too long going to bed at 6:40 am not good

[sacred zodiac]

i mean ever since ybarra axed qa its been the case yes

[reef glade]

fun evening though

[kind stag]

wasnt he a warrior main

[reef glade]

smadsnox gacha hell make westerners go poor

[sacred zodiac]

ye and he got laughed out of this discord iirc

[floral tide]

Why have QA when player QA for free and we don't listen

[kind stag]

luuuuuul

we need some gachimuchi type men as warrior devs

NOW

[sacred zodiac]

ill take anyhting at this point

[kind stag]

warriors and rogues fighting for most hated child spot

[reef glade]

spoinkus I executed Beloren on your honor

[kind stag]

though enha shaman looks even worse

[umbral badger]

man this is so funny, we all were like "WHY IS REND Zdps, well, at least we have a good deepwounds"

[sacred zodiac]

good because your execute wouldnt hit hard anymore!

[vast helm]

look back those nerfs before the 12.0 midnight begin are so fun

[solemn fractal]

Join us in the bottom chart, Arms brethren.

[reef glade]

Nah I killed post nerf

[umbral badger]

blizzard were like "oh wait , what ? lets give you 2 rends instead"

[reef glade]

only single app deep wounds for me

[sacred zodiac]

sick

[reef glade]

ripped at 224k first egg burn

pretty cool

[sacred zodiac]

idk i was kinda excited at the prospect of hitting lura hard on reclear but thats just kinda gone too now

[reef glade]

84% mortal strike crit rate

very normal

[sacred zodiac]

normally

[fresh spire]

So fucking real

[reef glade]

yea I mean did math on khazix’s log he would’ve lost like 7k dps

still 183k epic

only like 3.5% nerf somehow tho

[kind stag]

i wish bleeds werent a thing im sorry DW and rend enjoyers

[fresh spire]

I believe in the colossus no execute return

[reef glade]

would think more since lura exe is double dmg but maybe it’s much smaller portion of the fight

[kind stag]

bleeds are ruining this spec

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1311936702352330825/1491059955485380679/trim.363895D5-E5E0-444C-A085-F0C1AE90FCD2.gif

[reef glade]

90-120s of execute phase maybe vs like a 9 minute fight

[sacred zodiac]

bleeds have always ruined the spec when relevant

[umbral badger]

i am actually both hopefull and frustrated at the same time by this it's crazy. i am hoping it will warrent a buff but i am also so disgusted by the idea that instead of having 1 bad bleed, now we have 2.

[fresh spire]

Going to send it Sunday in raid see how it goes and next farm

[kind stag]

arms should be BIG HITS and CRITS and idk the cool stuff let ferals and sins do bleeds

[fresh spire]

This is back from February when I was trying to find out why deepwounds was doing so much damage on beta compared to our sims

And the answer was right there just not noticed lol

[reef glade]

Cinema

[fresh spire]

And it was double applying all along

[sacred zodiac]

fishy noob tc

[fresh spire]

I just write funny lines and number goes up

[umbral badger]

@fresh spire so is deep wounds gonna go down to like 5% for slayer now ?

or what

of overall

[fresh spire]

Funny thing is I suspected sims was wrong and not blizzard

[umbral badger]

ST

[fresh spire]

Yet it was blizzard all along

[kind stag]

does this affect haste stating for st sims now?

felt like haste was too good

[fresh spire]

Sims are correct.

[somber wave]

if I only made a char last week would I just craft like bracers and cloak with arcanoweave? rest I can get from pit etc

[fresh spire]

Sims didn't have the bug.

We technically was 4-5% better than our sim nunbers

[sacred zodiac]

who the fuck is reporting this shit anyways and why'd they devote resources to fixing that bug

[umbral badger]

but on damage meters deepwounds was like 8% to 10% on ST , right ?

so now it's 5% ?

for slayer i mean

[reef glade]

It’s not exactly in half but general idea

[umbral badger]

yea like 30% or 35% ?

[reef glade]

Like 30-40% less deep wounds dmg probably

[umbral badger]

less ?

[kind stag]

haste speeds up DW ticks right?

[reef glade]

sum like that

[umbral badger]

yea that's why i said 5% cuz my memory is generally 8% deepwounds

man that does hurt honestly

we also get less executes now with mortal change, so double nerf to deepwounds

[kind stag]

since its fixed now maybe less value on haste for DW

[umbral badger]

well, lets just be hopefull that they did this as a way to close the gap between colossus and slayer, so that they can aura buff us or something.

[sacred zodiac]

you weren't gearing around the bugged behaviour anyways

[solemn fractal]

They probably saw their spaghetti code and fixed this too. Though honestly I feel like they somehow misinterpreted their own design of the talent. "If this affect is re-applied" only seems to apply a small portion of the damage if you Crit Mortal Strike and Slam in succession. Instead of doing 2K ticks, its only doing 1.5K ticks.

[kind stag]

yeah you're right

[reef glade]

I mean supposedly it was brought up in a bug report like… several months ago

[stone beacon]

think about main arms, open up arms discord, arms nerf. well... back to unh dk

[reef glade]

unless there was been a more recent tattling

[dim basalt]

You will never know because sims didnt have the bug implemented anyway

[reef glade]

or they actually just didn’t check that feedback for multiple months

[kind stag]

yeah truth

[reef glade]

would go hard

[hasty pumice]

hey swordish

[reef glade]

gave us an olive branch

[hasty pumice]

can you please make battlelord better in ST than fatality?

I'd appreciate it

[reef glade]

you know it is in your heart

2-3% fatal mark dmg who gaf

[hasty pumice]

[sacred zodiac]

how big is the funnel buff

[reef glade]

more mortal strike xan

[sacred zodiac]

i thought it was all slam hits not just crits that didnt apply dw

[hasty pumice]

with high crit that happens a ton still

[reef glade]

Naw only crits supposed to

[umbral badger]

i have to say, i kinda hate both atm. battlelord RNG sometimes i am just doing 2 buttons and fatality forcing me into a path i hate "as colossus" is trash

[sacred zodiac]

whar the helly

[reef glade]

I think it’s like 5% more on 3-5 target or something

[kind stag]

tactician is not real

[hasty pumice]

yeah but battlelord makes it feel way nicer

[fresh spire]

The fob was like 5-6% over 5 targets. Closer to 8 on 3

[hasty pumice]

funnel stonks going UP

[fresh spire]

So colossus stays winning

[hasty pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/kirk-if-ied-gif-8896930698438413014

we surfing boys

[fresh spire]

Charlie surf

[hasty pumice]

space gliding through funnel

[reef glade]

Yea I mean excited if I do paladins again next week idk if we in perma extending no reclear

[hasty pumice]

better fix every funnel in the game now

[reef glade]

wanna see like 220k surely

[hasty pumice]

skyreach the tragedy

[umbral badger]

i just want them to do what arch suggested although i don't know if he suggested it to blizzard somehow, replace fatality with executioner....

[reef glade]

well like 215 maybe

[sacred zodiac]

ok but sudden death filler wont apply bleed anymore s ow hats the point

[reef glade]

u don’t even have that talent

pretty sure

I’m hitting that slam shit on 2t perma

[umbral badger]

yea cleave colossus can't afford one single talent into that kinda ST like deepwounds talent

funny because i wanted to get it so bad in the past but now with this nerf i am happy to not have it

guys, activate our warrior special superpowers.... the cope.

this nerf is just a pre-buff move

[kind stag]

surely

is MDI soon?

[hasty pumice]

I didnt know the FoB bug was that much of a % loss

[umbral badger]

if anything i felt it very hard in m+ i did not even touch m+ this week , yes i was still smashing but it felt bad nevertheless.

last week *

it's like playing with a broken toy 🤣 even if dps is really good in m+ i hated to play with that bug

well boys, lets play something better than warrior for a while i guess 🤣

[hasty pumice]

WC3 when?

[hasty pumice]

work work

[kind stag]

same trinkets as my warr nice

[slender sonnet]

1 more bonus roll for chest or wep

[deft bluff]

Does anyone have a % change guess from the bugfixes?

[molten glacier]

-2-3% st^^

[deft bluff]

Does it buff our AoE with that bug being fixed?

[latent pasture]

what are the settings if I want to sim a dungeon? or at least a pack of 5 or 8 enemies

[bright grove]

patchwerk 5targets

[ionic mica]

Yes but mostly prio damage in cleave build, the exe bug fix is a nerf on st for builds that play exe deep wounds

[latent pasture]

ok thank you!

[spice epoch]

Is guidon actually good or is it because i need more haste
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Cj964rJ6oRT6Yoaavgt3p

[thick kelp]

its a decent sidegrade

sims so high for you as you dont have any mythic trinkets and u are simming 6/6 myth

[spice epoch]

Ye was just confused because gaze was simming 0.8

[thick kelp]

Gaze needs alot of crit and haste in your gear to look good

once 2ndaries start losing value

my gaze sims higher and higher each week when I upgrade rings and shits

[slender sonnet]

let's go

[lusty slate]

Yo everyone, when do u send demolish now , as it comes off cd , even if c smash is like a few seconds away ? , also is it worth sending with 0stqcks on opener ? (Aoe)

[thick kelp]

Build some stacks first by using your crusing combo cleaves and 1-2 MS whilst tank is gathering and start of CD's and then send it. Depending on your luck its like 6-10 stacks of CM. Otherwise you can send it on CD in aoe

[flat willow]

it's all very close

usually if cs has less than 10 seconds left on cd, I hold it

[lusty slate]

Tyvm

[bright grove]

careful not to pull aggro while doing that tho 😄

[flat willow]

yeah, especially don't do that when you have a druid tank

[prisma crag]

Hear me out

[flat willow]

since they can't generate threat

[prisma crag]

if you pull aggro

while doing that

your tank is bad

🙂

[lusty slate]

I m currently struggling with decisions on send / save situations and feel like im missing too much for it, but with more practice should fix

[prisma crag]

or has a lack of game knowledge

[astral yarrow]

try just never holding anything

pack at 20%? CS that shit

[prisma crag]

1000%

[lusty slate]

Yea , will do that as a change

[astral yarrow]

can be weird to force yourself to just send and forget, but more uses are usually better than fewer good uses

[prisma crag]

if you have a good group too theyll ignore the last 1-2 mobs when they are at like 5% and let you get stacks back

as you move to the next pack

[lusty slate]

I usually do premades with the tank , so that helps alot , now trying to min max everything is challenging

[bright grove]

your tank

We only pug here,

[prisma crag]

Same

I die

tanks fault

[bright grove]

xd

[prisma crag]

high enough key level that tanks should know whats up

[lusty slate]

Sounds like the way

Do not do that in lower keys

[prisma crag]

yeah doesnt matter in lower keyys

pack doesnt live long enough in lower keys to gain much from it

[lusty slate]

I got blamed in 15 for taking aggro while building stacks

Needless to say he stoped playing -.-

[gentle gyro]

valid?

[soft peak]

Is there a way to track on how many stacks you have on demolish? With this new ui shit from blizz?

[gentle gyro]

Tellmewhen

[rough phoenix]

Rip beeg DoT

How much dam was it doing?

[soft peak]

It tracks?

[thick kelp]

the ingame cooldown manager works

track the cm buff

[gentle gyro]

Only If you enable the selected buff / debuff in cooldown manager

[vast helm]

Heroic Might can track now ?

[gentle gyro]

Not that one

Bricked after 12.0.5

Dunno why

[soft peak]

Fucking shit blizz, i miss weakauras

[vast helm]

damn

[soft peak]

I dont understand a thing

[astral yarrow]

i love having 17 addons for all the stuff WAs did before

[vast helm]

we are playing BETA now

[astral yarrow]

trying to remember how to open my nameplate mod that isnt plater

[vast helm]

[dim basalt]

Do I have to keep running the same key level for my bonus rolls still? Or was that fixed?

[loud fjord]

never heard of that

[safe tundra]

No you should be able to run any level now with no dupes

[vapid goblet]

blizzard nerfed this btw

worst ST dps in the game

out of ANY class

[thick kelp]

old ass numbers

[gentle gyro]

some genius told me that fury is much worse than arms

[slow saddle]

Mainly coz of the execute bug🤣

I presume

We were above 100k... cant have that!

Shaman
Restoration
All damage dealt increased by approximately 12%.

At least they recognize healer shaman has bad dmg

Surely its us next

[dim basalt]

Sim numbers are not changing at all

[flat willow]

you know, it is pretty funny that they nerfed the single target of both arms and fury

[slow saddle]

Let me doom

[slow saddle]

Also the bug fix is what made us playable on lura no?

Uh gets bug fix insta buff if performin poorly

[vast helm]

[flat willow]

You know, I really don't wanna bitch because this is genuinely one of the best seasons to play arms in mythic+ ever

But I can't help being pissed off when I think both arms and fury single target were nerfed

and unholy+dev were buffed

[rugged hill]

Are the numbers much different now? Because I feel like I just fall behind on bosses like crazy (working on 15s currently)

Feel like I’m doing something wrong but idk what. Constantly falling behind on dmg (colossus arms)

[slow saddle]

I mean for m+ they are not important

Just sim ya self that is number u got

[rugged hill]

Ah ok

[slow saddle]

Col m+ has sad st

[flat willow]

in m+ you won't have most raid buffs and not every single target talent, so you'll do a lot less than 90k single target

if you are doing 70K in pure ST in m+ you are owning

[vapid goblet]

??

[slow saddle]

Yup

[rugged hill]

Oh… well… shit lol that’s what I’m usually at while watching others doing 90,100

[vapid goblet]

boss dps matters in m+

what u on about

[slow saddle]

The spreadshet

[flat willow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/completly-normal-phenomenon-chernobyl--k01KQF89G7D1C4YAVF3ZY53GWJW

[slow saddle]

Is not important

Our st dmg being sad. Is ofc important

[dim basalt]

yall need to stop crying about the st numbers

[clever crag]

My pos alt monk in wrong gear with tank enchants is higher sim dmg than my warrior

[flat willow]

why

warrior has the worst st in the game, even in pure st build

[rugged hill]

just make every single boss have 3 targets and we’ll be ok then

[flat willow]

sure if you do nothing but m+ you don't care

but I'm sure a few people were would enjoy doing normal numbers in raid

[slow saddle]

I mean even in m+

In pugs its a bad experience

Like u arent gettin funnel unless top tier keys

Ofc most pugs suck. So my st looks better

[flat willow]

a nearly full bis warrior will do less single target than a 265 ilvl unholy dk

[slow saddle]

Thia

92k as 283 war 106 as 272 dk with hc trinkies

Numbers get way worse if both are in m+ spec btw

[flat willow]

I mean, that's not even that big of a deal. You can say colossus is balanced around the insane aoe and funnel

why is slayer doing such disgusting poor single target

[indigo quail]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[torn nest]

They fixed fervor? So what is the best build now that it’s back on the table for colo?

[fresh spire]

Same

[flat willow]

the exact same

[torn nest]

Kk

[slow saddle]

Y u just do more prio dmg bow

I will say felt noticable in keys

[prisma crag]

is there an addon

that puts text on my screen

telling me

that I am in defensive stance

[bleak arrow]

Yes.

[prisma crag]

Whats it called

[bleak arrow]

https://addons.wago.io/addons/defensive-stance-reminder

There are commands to turn the icon or text on/off depending on preference

[spark mango]

Guys, how do you play the dragons on hc as slayer arms

do we hold cds for add phases or not

alleria and dragons confuse the fuck out of me when i want to do a good log on them

[velvet vessel]

do you have orbs on hc?

if yes

cds on orbs

it is like that on mythic to parse

[spark mango]

we have orbs on hc yes

[clever crag]

Just like my monk

[slow saddle]

I know sims isnt everythin but

Man it makes me sad

[clever crag]

I swear it was like this before

Wasnt

[slow saddle]

I mean not tww

Not df

We cried bout 10% differences🤣🤣

[clever crag]

The st disparity being this bad

My arms is perfect stats just missing ilvl and big trinkets

[slow saddle]

Never in raid spexs

I have big trinkets

And ilvl

[clever crag]

Monk all random gear trash enchantments

[slow saddle]

Doesnt help

[dreamy sandal]

ok wtf, anyone else having this problem?

I have all +19s completed, but I did not get the +19 resil achievement.
This might be because our algathar was over the timer by 40 sec last week, but as it got increased this reset, and we got score and the key timed retroactively, I should still get the achivement right?

[slow saddle]

Prob not

[slender sonnet]

not even close to death

[slender sonnet]

Nope

It doesn't apply retroactively

you gotta go do it again

[dreamy sandal]

But it did

I got the score and it says completed in time

Sadge, unfort if it bugs out

[ebon tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-go-agane-agane-overwatch-dallas-gif-11928855

[spark mango]

can fatality be 100% please

[grand pivot]

@smoky kayak do u have the dps % increase or decrease from the bug fix ?

[slow saddle]

8%

And 3%

8% m+ 3 % nerf st raid spex

[scenic sequoia]

do i use demolish in opener without max stacks or

[slow saddle]

I do

If i got nothin good 2 push

[fickle bone]

hey quick question do we now play colo in all keys or we still run slayer on ST heavy keys ?

[slow saddle]

Col

[frank rock]

I was wondering - when was the hotfix deployed ? This morning or the 29th ? And if so which hour exactly ?

[slow saddle]

Live i presume

[high widget]

Is there an arms for dummies guide? It looks like Im doing something completely wrong but I cant figure out what it is.

[tacit crystal]

madox has video

also can prob use biz

https://youtu.be/Z2EfigYttyc?si=oxiC3e-NfogxeM_t
https://youtu.be/jsCiMCFdkfA?si=cefLu3_MDTcKdfsC

[bleak arrow]

No thx

[slow saddle]

Theres no alternative in m+

[boreal igloo]

press mortal strike and cleave and watch shit die

[naive steeple]

Guys, during single target boss fights, when the boss's health reaches 35%, do we just spam execute twice and buffed Mortal Strike until the end of the fight? (Except for Hero Strike procs)?

[slow saddle]

If u wanna starve yrd

If sub 90 rage with no ep u prob op

U can play it more agressively

And pray

[flat willow]

I'm loving all these unholy buffs on my alt

( was only a +15 )

[frank rock]

The reason I ask is because if we analyze 40s of ST fight (Vorasius) for a log that is - supposedly - before the Hotfix and one after :

Before (29/04 @9:47PM) : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KyNPckFfTxW3nQtX?fight=11&type=damage-taken&view=events&hostility=1&source=267&target=14&pins=2%24Off%24%23244F4B%24damage%24-1%24220382580.0.0.Warrior%240.0.0.Any%24true%24240434.0.0.Boss%24true%24260798|12294|1464|262115&start=3239388&end=3279646
After (30/04 @2:25PM) : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/F6dfjaXQ2DymCWGp?fight=7&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&source=389&start=925075&end=965434&target=12&pins=2%24Off%24%23244F4B%24damage%24-1%24108354371.0.0.Warrior%240.0.0.Any%24true%24240434.0.0.Boss%24true%2412294|1464|260798|262115&view=events

Respectively I have the same results regarding the values of DeepWounds applies by each MS / Slam / Execute :

Deep Wounds application strength is not uniform.

It scales approximately as:

MS Crit = 1.0
Slam Crit = 1.5
Execute = 2.3–2.5

And for the latest log :

MScrit​:Slamcrit​:Execute≈1.00:1.08:2.18

I calculated using each ticks, inital damage pool (145.48% of AP over 6s), recalculated the remaining pool after each tick / before re-application for each MS crit/Slam crit/Exe instances.

So I was wondering what was actually going on or if I'm that bad at math 😅

[slow saddle]

Exe applied 2 stacks b4, dno how it scales now

[frank rock]

Oh so you mean 2 different instances of Deep Wound bleed damage ? As in 2 differents debuffs ?
If so we should be able to see the duplicated ticks on the logs no ?

[naive steeple]

Can someone please tell to me ? 🙁

[slow saddle]

Y

[slow saddle]

We do not have rage to spam exe

[slow saddle]

I tend 2 exe if im on a lot of rsge regardless of tgis

[naive steeple]

Even during the single-target execution phase?

[fresh spire]

It was applying twice at same time on main target. Swept targets didn't get 2x. Fury and prot also had same bug which is also fixed.
Fury also only did Mt 2x so other 4 hit by improved we was not 2x

[naive steeple]

In my last fight I tried this and I made it to the end :0

[naive steeple]

Oh, I didn't know!

[slow saddle]

Very very very lucky // unlucky with hs rprocs

[fresh spire]

Something was noticed back in beta that deep wounds wasn't working as intended but it was mentioned as a bug. Seems they finally got around to checking it and fixing it

[dim basalt]

Meanwhile SD extending cs and avatar still a thing since beginning of TWW

👍

[fresh spire]

Yes 2x sd bug gotta love the second refresh

[naive steeple]

But if I'm lucky, should I just keep pressing Execute and Mortal Strike? (With the exception of Demolish and Colossus Strike cooldown)?

[thick kelp]

Fixed uhhh never

[dim basalt]

We wont see it fixed ever

[rain cipher]

I just returned to the game.. Completed +8 AA dungeon. Is this ok?

[slow saddle]

Wtfa

Are u tslkin as collosus??

[naive steeple]

Yeah

[slow saddle]

Well

Dont press exe

End of story

[naive steeple]

Whaaat

[slow saddle]

Unless super rsge capped

[naive steeple]

But doesn't executing buff my mortal strike?

Aa ok

Does buffering against a mortal strike not pay off?

[slow saddle]

Yes but slam does dw

Exe does not

[naive steeple]

What do you mean by DW? Sorry, I'm new to War and I'm not very familiar with some of the mechanics yet.

[flat willow]

deep wound

you don't take the talent that makes execute apply deepwound as colossus

[scenic sequoia]

is 140k overall in PoS 16 good or

[paper gulch]

Depends on mob density and whether or not your tank helped you pad

[scenic sequoia]

🤷‍♂️

[thick kelp]

if you are new to warrior take 5mins to read our talents

[scenic sequoia]

i dont know what BIG is

i know algethar first pull is big

compared to that idk

and first pull of PoS too

[paper gulch]

I think if you're doing 16's you're in a good spot

but you can also check logs

[naive steeple]

I've read everything, but no talent abbreviates words; there's no DW in the talent tree. I'm asking what this abbreviation would be.

[paper gulch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/47?boss=10658&bracket=15&class=Warrior&spec=Arms

[paper gulch]

Highest log for overall is 176k

[naive steeple]

Aaah tanks

[scenic sequoia]

and average?

[thick kelp]

probably 150k

ish

[paper gulch]

I think like 130-140k is average

[scenic sequoia]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pBJ7k8Yjyqg6fG4N?fight=last&type=damage-done

[slow saddle]

Deep wounds

Or well mortal wounds

[paper gulch]

Again like I was trying to say before overall dmg is dependant on your tank's ability to give you proper amounts of mob density. Even on bosses. If your tank didn't bring like...3 adds for the frost giant (for example) you would suffer as colossus because you would demolish less

[naive steeple]

Sorry to insist, but can't we maintain deep wounds and alternate with executing? Or does deep wound stack, causing spam even when already on target?

[paper gulch]

Ive had a monk CC a necromancer and keep 3 immortal skeletons with the boss.

The funnel really helps

[scenic sequoia]

he did not

[flat willow]

any left over deepwound is added when reapplied

[naive steeple]

Aaaaah thank you

[paper gulch]

Right so im assuming you probably did like 70k on garfrost, over 100k on twins, and over 110k on the final boss if you saved demolish for ghouls.

and if he didn't pull with high density, you averaged 200-250k on pulls

so 250k+380k is 530k, divided by 4? is about 135k

4 being (3 bosses) + 1 (generalized trash instance)

[slow saddle]

Thats cheatin no cap

Top boss dmg strat

[paper gulch]

Type Shiiit

[nova marsh]

Guys should I even care about overalls

[slow saddle]

Yes

[paper gulch]

If you care about parsing yes

otherwise if you're timing keys, who gives a fuck

[slow saddle]

Coz boss dmg is gb

So get feels for oa's

[paper gulch]

Parsing is also relative to who is logging

My warrior still has a +9 parse

[nova marsh]

Tbh I care more about timing

[hoary helm]

How much crit is needed guys? Today turned from fury (year and year) to arms to try something new, idk feel right now

[paper gulch]

It's the most important thing

[paper gulch]

Yes

[frank rock]

A 28.6% Deep Wounds nerf translates to approximately:

~4.0k overall DPS loss
~3.7% total DPS loss in this parse/profile

So ~ 3.5% damage nerf in ST on this particular fight

[minor gust]

Parsing keys is not something to care about shit don't matter

[paper gulch]

Yes sir Slayer Messiah

[bleak arrow]

So are we back to fury?

[hoary helm]

oh nice arms wiull be nerfed? lol

perfect timing to turn for me

[nova marsh]

How do key parses even work

[frank rock]

It's just the result of analyzing 2 logs pre & post nerf for a particular fight

[boreal igloo]

we're still bugged?

[scenic sequoia]

do i bladestorm only during CS

[minor gust]

They don't

[frank rock]

Not bugged anymore on FoB, but fixed issue of duplicate application of DeepWound via Execute

So damage loss

[bleak arrow]

I subscribe to updates but TC not tell me how much I lose or how much to doom. Unfort.

[wild lion]

how come slayer cleave feels better than colossus rn

[glass compass]

Colossus smash free cleaves got chopped from 3 to 2 and it feels clapped

[wild lion]

also the SD procs shortening bladestorm feels nicer

[bleak arrow]

Why should I, a warrior, not be nerfed when performing poorly. Devs did the right thing.

[paper gulch]

Someone logs, and you get a score. Just like raids.

They take the information from like..."details" and make it into a spreadsheet and tell you what you did and where with replays.

[halcyon void]

any hope for single target buff for warrior?

[indigo quail]

Yes roll ret pally

And roleplay as warr

[slow saddle]

I mean there should

[calm hollow]

Should, if they cared

So no

[somber wave]

if I only made a char last week would I just craft like bracers and cloak with arcanoweave? rest I can get from pit etc

[warped spade]

It's algathar you get the score but it still "failed" for resil -sourcw: I had the same issue

[ionic mica]

yeah craft those two and send a load of pit bonus rolls

[nova marsh]

Alright blizz

That is a sick mount from timeways ngl

Perfect for arms

[stone beacon]

i think that mount means they are going to nerf arms warrior and buff frost mage

[nova marsh]

aw cmon man

🙁

[solar hemlock]

Assuming bug was just in game and not Sims right?

[bleak arrow]

Best I can do is buff devo. Some people are still doing content as havoc and other classes.

[nova marsh]

the ST one wasn't in sims because we didn't know it existed

[quasi sapphire]

How hard is it to pug mythic chim in NA? Many groups going? Or should I send the rolls and hope for heroic gaze?

[carmine iris]

where does arms funnel come from? what talent?

[nova marsh]

Colossus and fervor

[modern cove]

????

[nova marsh]

yes fr

[minor gust]

Forgetting tier which is the most important and apex

[bleak arrow]

Surely my fury is just better ST in every way now.

[carmine iris]

what do you mean by colossus?

[nova marsh]

Colossus's entire deal

[carmine iris]

ok just the hero talent

[nova marsh]

You gain more stacks to funnel damage via the stacks themselves + demo

[stoic oriole]

[nova marsh]

and as bozo said, tier and apex are huge. HS buffed by 50% hits hard as fuck and tier lets us extend the shit out of CS on a main target

[minor gust]

Our funnel ain't real without the tier set

[nova marsh]

True

[minor gust]

Shit needs to be a talent or else arms is cooked

[nova marsh]

Put it as a talent replacing avatar

And swap it's place with EP

[dim basalt]

We all know we will be giga cooked by next tier

[bleak arrow]

We cooked RN

[nova marsh]

I mean tbh

we're always cooked man

[loud fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/cooked-myself-turkey-kramer-nod-yes-gif-14451502

[carmine iris]

ok so fervor of battle is our funnel in 3+?

[dim basalt]

yes

[carmine iris]

doesnt seem very strong

[nova marsh]

Combine fervor

With HS

[dim basalt]

It can proc HS

[nova marsh]

And Extending endlessly

It's kinda goated

[dim basalt]

HS is the strongest ability we have baseline with 600% AP

that 1.5x is pretty good

• Mortal Wounds

[nova marsh]

yeah like

perma uptime dw on 2 targ is pretty neat

[carmine iris]

hm ok

[dim basalt]

With funnel you can prob do 120k ST atp

If not more

[zenith warren]

btw that deep wounds bug was not reflected in raidbots?

[minor gust]

No

[dreamy sandal]

Aight, ty for confirmation

[languid torrent]

@minor gust we able to figure out the bug fix how much % nerf it is? Or that something really harsh to quantify

[olive nest]

5%

[minor gust]

4-5% nerf in ST

[slow saddle]

3-5%?

[olive nest]

6-7

[slow saddle]

Depends hoe much exe u press🤣

[olive nest]

1-?

[graceful agate]

Clearly needed.

[minor gust]

I mean as much as it sucks it's the result of a bug fix

Doesn't matter if needed or not

[olive nest]

Is that a legitimate post

[reef prairie]

As in is that a real Kalamazi video? I think it is yea lol

[scenic sequoia]

ok guys nobody run vorasius plz i dont want my parse ruined

[floral tide]

Have you tried doing damage?

[scenic sequoia]

i died so

[warped spade]

Ok, have you tried not dying?

[minor gust]

Time to go back to fury Gala

[stone beacon]

time to buff unh dk

[warped spade]

Maybe they ask him to jump off on fury too

[scenic sequoia]

no

[scenic sequoia]

yes

i was trying for fun

xd

[warped spade]

[olive nest]

[scenic sequoia]

though i dont think doing it in mythic was the best idea

i did get heart though so poggers

[olive nest]

Let’s goo big damager inc

[warped spade]

Don't 🪤

[nova marsh]

Man

AA and Caverns are rough

[steep tree]

any talent builds for raiding?

[nova marsh]

Theyre all on wowhead

Look at s1 raid tips for the builds per boss

[steep tree]

wow ok

got it

[nova marsh]

[daring heron]

would have been a good parse pre-deep wounds fix

[minor gust]

Our ST took a deep wound yesterday

[candid pecan]

200% DW from execute, I see, so that's why I was lowkey owning on Mythic Fallen-King cleave execute off big orb

well I won't own anymore

[elder path]

Arms ST needed to be taken down a peg ty blizz

[fast nebula]

No tec. to break tether on cosmos? Saw logs using the zerker talent but tried it and didn't do anything

[fervent cedar]

Devourer and uhdk absolutely owning in raid? Better nerf arms single target, that'll show em!

[wet maple]

They fix the audio bug yet or does it still sound like we’re waving a pool noodle through the air?

[elder path]

No fix

[wet maple]

🫠

[scenic sequoia]

true

xd

maybe like

1

idk what my problem is ngl

maybe bad stats

[reef glade]

didn’t you say you died

[scenic sequoia]

no i mean

i did 2 other bosses

[reef glade]

that’s like numba 1

well other bosses have pad

Vorasius not much

[scenic sequoia]

mmmmm\

should prolly stick to fury in PvE

[frigid jewel]

Thank god for the execute bug fix, I was starting to do more ST than the tank in Colossus

[smoky jungle]

Perhaps then they'll see (again) that Execute was doing too little damage and buff it again? ...

[frigid jewel]

No, a ST burst of any kind doesn't fit with the warrior vision blizzard has in mind

[smoky jungle]

[ashen trout]

What % did we lose ST with the bug fix yesterday? It’s hard out here lmao

[minor gust]

The bug has no effect on Colo ST in M+

[frigid jewel]

Was more of a joke but it's only for slayer?

[minor gust]

5%

[ashen trout]

Unless you were running that talent in colo for some reason lol

[minor gust]

It was for execute DW which is only a thing if you have the talent. Which Colo does not run in M+ build

[ashen trout]

Damn, might lowkey be a fury angle for ST heavy fights then?

[frigid jewel]

Damn that's even worse lmfao

[minor gust]

Basically just a raid/slayer M+ nerf

[frigid jewel]

So they now have a 5% st nerf on top of the initial aoe nerf when the patch dropped

[ashen trout]

Rly didn’t expect it to be such a large nerf that’s wild was this bug new for .5 or has it been around?

[minor gust]

Both specs are dogshit in raid play what you want

[ashen trout]

Real as f

[minor gust]

Been around since beta

[ashen trout]

Ty for all the info gamer 🙂

[frigid jewel]

The answer is always "its been in the game since beta"

They only seem to fix things quickly when it involves gold farming, having fun, or flavor of the month classes

So is there any reason to play slayer in m+ besides for fun, or is colossus just completely dominant now

[minor gust]

Before the bug fix it slayer was already only for fun. Still did well but now it just got another kick in the nuts

[mystic thicket]

time to shut the discord down

[frigid jewel]

Well I at least hope the confiscated DPS was donated to classes who need it, like demon hunters and paladins

[jovial hare]

sadge

[minor gust]

Sadge indeed. I saved slayer for what. Got SD back but they just never retuned reap or slayer strikes after changes. Now this bug fix

[rare kite]

do not worry, they are gonna buff some other class instead

prob devourer

[frigid jewel]

10% to devourer

[halcyon valve]

Devourer is criminally undertuned

[terse oxide]

What sort of dps increase we seeing with the slam DW fix?

[fluid chasm]

decrease

[candid pecan]

around 5% more dmg to prio targets

[torpid acorn]

is the animation of slam/hs on fervor of battle ever going to come back?

[warm fog]

It was deemed too good for warrior

[torpid acorn]

that makes sense

[vast helm]

Bleed Warriors

[winged phoenix]

orc male warriors have proper sound yet?

[quick badge]

When will our suffering end?

[fierce meadow]

when we swap classes

[radiant moon]

dont forget cost slayer like 4% st

due to the other bug being fixed

[candid pecan]

oh im not forgetting

im benched on Mythic Beloren as we speak

[radiant moon]

guessing ur raid has prot war too then? 😄

i got lucky with absences this week

otherwise i share ur pain

[reef glade]

Just go big mchuge on egg

[candid pecan]

I dont mind it, fuck playing war dps in raid...

I'm amazed I wasn't benched on Alleria

[reef glade]

ya I mean alleria much less of a dps check should basically not matter what u bring anymore

beloren still kind of hard to do the egg

need giga burst dps classes and ideally bear or two to make it really easy but if ur missing some of those not looking good

think our like 2 ele and 2 augs were top 4 egg dps

[rose matrix]

If you're not running Javelineer in Colossus is there even a point to having Wrecking Throw?

[reef glade]

prolly not much unless it’s somewhere u know has a lot of absorbs

or for the current xal affix it’s nice but only sub 12s

[rose matrix]

Ye just wondering cause I might drop it for like Second Wind or something

[reef glade]

Well u gotta take 1 of either javelin or extended shouts

to get dmg node

[rose matrix]

Yea I am running Stance Mastery

[lament oar]

yes but

[reef glade]

That’s bottom row no think u still need one of the top 2 for the 2hand weapon spec talent

[lament oar]

you indeed do

[rose matrix]

I can swap Wrecking Throw for Second Wind no problem

[reef glade]

neat

[spark mango]

i use wrecking throw often as filler when there is nothing to press, mostly when i'm charge weaving

its a good button to have, you also use it frequently in MT and Pos

[rose matrix]

I was using it mainly as a second kick outside of boss fights

[vast helm]

i use my lighter and smoke as filler

[spark mango]

if there is no shaman you need a cigar not a cigarette

[vast helm]

that's true

[nova marsh]

Bro

I had my first perfect lasher pull

With all 3 packs

it was GLORIOUS

[granite swift]

chances we get buffs this weekend?

[ionic mica]

50/50

[minor gust]

We do or we dont

My money is on no more tuning for the tier

[nova marsh]

Honestly that wouldn't shock me

[minor gust]

This is around that time when they usually stop

[nova marsh]

We're about at that point. Most we get is likely whatever comes with .7

[minor gust]

And focus on the next patch

[rose matrix]

I think there will be. Dev and Unholy are underperforming and they gotta buff again

[nova marsh]

If....if we even do

[nova marsh]

Unholy needs a 20% aura buff clearly

[kind stag]

buff mage actually they fell off

[nova marsh]

NO

[kind stag]

they are still rly strong its just that they are not fotm anymore

[nova marsh]

Good

[ionic mica]

barrier now a 50% dr and 5s cd

[nova marsh]

Fuck mages

[ionic mica]

that should do it

[kind stag]

they dont want me for that

[nova marsh]

Can we go

[kind stag]

isnt mage already technically "tanky" if you know your cds well

[nova marsh]

ONE TIER

Without mage being meta

[kind stag]

no? its blizzards signature class

[ionic mica]

not really but fuck em

made of paper, but okay if they have defs

[nova marsh]

I mran honestly

Like bozo said tunings probably

Blizz is gonna pull a gg go next

[kind stag]

whens MDI

do they tune for that or after it?

[nova marsh]

I dont think they do

[ionic mica]

after sometimes

and also sometimes hof closing

[kind stag]

well hof kinda scuffed now no

3 diff raids

[ionic mica]

not really

lura hof

not "we killed chimaerus week 1" hof

[nova marsh]

Voidspire closes like

2 weeks ago?

[thick kelp]

Guys log on to .7 PTR

[nova marsh]

...

Is this new

Oh no its not

[kind stag]