Hear me out. Cata arms warrior, but with fast gcds and no stance dancing
#arms
gentle gyro
latent moss
instead of heroic strike
make it not apply any fuckass debuffs/buffs
just makle it nuclear
stable fiber
fury reck should be reworked to be like ddh metamorph hot take
latent moss
we need less multipliers just make everything nuclear
stable fiber
!!!!!
radiant moon
yep agreed
nova marsh
fury reck should be reworked to be like ddh metamorph hot take
are you high
stable fiber
nope
minor gust
If only heroic strike wasnt tied to a buff and just did fat dmg
do we need increased MS cleave op dmg
gentle gyro
do we need increased MS cleave op dmg
Overpower and Dreadnaught yes. MS and Cleave nerf
balmy kindle
do we need increased MS cleave op dmg
The irony is increasing nothing still amounts to nothing
latent moss
same spell basically
stable fiber
i saw something like this a couple hours ago on a different spec
balmy kindle
Why is that not in colos talent
latent moss
W
we cant get it tho
fuck you warriors
instead we get 2 hits
that just eat my sweeping strikes
!!!!!!!
gentle gyro
Who do I blame for this? Ion?
wooden lava
ion is innocent
stable fiber
collapsing star is also useable like every 5 seconds in aoe and hits way harder then demolish as well
wooden lava
need to flmae our pedo dev
gentle gyro
Tf
latent moss
real
minor gust
collapsing star is also useable like every 5 seconds in aoe and hits way harder ...
Even got guaranteed crit
sudden owl
I feel too at the mercy at my tanks with only having collo be on 2 fights I don't want it to be on more fights
stable fiber
yup guaranteed crit
minor gust
insane how much they hate this spec
minor gust
or more likely just they are so apathetic about warrior
radiant moon
minor gust
not a single dev has an interest or care in this class and it just shows
thats the reality
abstract jetty
playing slayer for M crown?
gentle gyro
insane how much they hate this spec
"What do you mean?", "It's insane atm", "you just need to play better"
Yeah you need a shaman at all times and a fearless tank that pulls 300 mobs
sudden owl
developers in modern age are pods with work assigned from a pm and the guy in the pod who got delegated warrior has a chatgpt degree it is what it is
stable fiber
we arent
minor gust
we arent
latent moss
ret with and without shaman
stable fiber
ret and rogue both exist
balmy kindle
Art of war procs 😂
latent moss
with windfury
stable fiber
its like the best melee raid buff by a mile
latent moss
hp gen and art procs ye
critcake said skyfury is bigger for ret
than for arms
and i dont doubt it
in the slightest
i assume qrva told him
gentle gyro
At least Prot is not a go to spec in m+ now, I would never get invited then, thank God
stable fiber
critcake said skyfury is bigger for ret
good reminder
need to do a execute sim with/wo skyfury
latent moss
i was cooking up an apl for wo skyfury slayer
for m+
but it was no ct too
but now that its dead
its prolly a reroll angle if i want to deal st
minor gust
yeah what I really hate about the DW exe bug fix
is its another nerf to slayer M+
and thats really killed my vibe today
stable fiber
where did 2k of my dps go
latent moss
maybe simc picked up the hotfix
minor gust
im such dead weight on that fight
sudden owl
I wish I could bench myself on crown but I'm the only warrior
stable fiber
barb training cannot be a 2k dps diff right
radiant moon
I wish I could bench myself on crown but I'm the only warrior
idk even if i do sht dps i love raiding
so
stable fiber
between stance mastery
radiant moon
i dont want to sit
sudden owl
pull crown 100 times as warrior DPS with my guild and u may change ur mind
wooden lava
barb training cannot be a 2k dps diff right
Increased crit dmg wtf
keen turtle
its like 8% for colo arms buff by fixing this bug in m+ right?
minor gust
I wish I could bench myself on crown but I'm the only warrior
we are sitting our rogue right now and apparently 12.05 Sub rogue is cranking that boss. So with this bug fix shitting on arms P3 dmg I just told our RL like there really is not point in me being in when we got a rogue whos gonna blast much harder
sudden owl
sub is very slightly fraudulent but still better than warrior
gentle gyro
The Last Titan will expose all frauds, trust
sudden owl
just melee in general on that fight that aren't 40yd range unholy dks feels so bad to play
balmy kindle
Raid don't play nice for high uptime classes
You either nneed amazing range or massive burst 
Like legit I only liked vanguards this raid
balmy kindle
^^ seconded
sudden owl
I think I'd like it a lot if I were a purple or green hued character
stable fiber
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3btb5gFDyzqRdpR8cvuTWs
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wUenDGSYn1W6K9B4zZodz9
there is noting different between these 2 sims other then stance mastery
why is one 1.5k higher
lol
stance mastery is like 200 dps diff or smth
sudden owl
but I am a brown character so I have 80% uptime and want to perish
stable fiber
reck pot uptime is the same
balmy kindle
Slayer sucks balls as well when you need to switch off targets
But Colo ST is so Pitiful that it's not an alternative
Fights like crown are just painful as hell
sudden owl
I think the adds in p2 are at 0% before demolish channel finishes
radiant moon
I think the adds in p2 are at 0% before demolish channel finishes
i feel that on drakes
you wait for adds
grip
and just as you finish colo chanel
sudden owl
I get like 1 tick of bladestorm on them
radiant moon
they die 😄
cedar cairn
Im struggling to enjoy colo most tanks never funnel
balmy kindle
If you are on m+ you need pocket shaman
cedar cairn
Not in the friend group rotation unfort
gentle gyro
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3btb5gFDyzqRdpR8cvuTWs
https://www.raidbo...
Holy
That's a lot
stable fiber
i still dont know why one is 1.5k lower
my sim dps is extremely important to me, you cant just take 1.5k away randomly
this isnt fair
stable fiber
its parse time
wooden lava
brother u r rank 1
minor gust
and no one ever beating that R1 either
stable fiber
not for atleast like 4+ weeks probably lmao
sudden owl
averzian ya
stable fiber
idk boss might die too fast unelss you boost people
so the only people with a real shot are people who do sale runs
minor gust
or just good players in mid guilds
vast helm
waiting for the buffs for sure
stable fiber
possible raidbots bug idk
no reason for this
nvm im stupid
holy shit
LOL
ok
saved
freaking out for no reason
minor gust
stable fiber
i forgot i bonus rolled l'ura legs and catalysted them for the leech
gentle gyro
Is it worth it to try slayer in m+ now?
stable fiber
Is it worth it to try slayer in m+ now?
i played it and did same dps as a very good surv hunter
minor gust
Is it worth it to try slayer in m+ now?
Slayer is worse now
stable fiber
so its still solid
minor gust
as of today
stable fiber
but defo worse
minor gust
with exe DW bug
gentle gyro
i played it and did same dps as a very good surv hunter
I mean in comparison to col
Like 10% worse?
20?
sudden owl
tank dependant
sudden owl
ya but if that mob is moving at high speeds towards the next 2 target pull
gentle gyro
so even at 4 mobs colo is better
All I needed to know thanks
stable fiber
ya but if that mob is moving at high speeds towards the next 2 target pull
heroic leap
sudden owl
can't heroic leap during demolish channel
all I'm saying is it feels less likely to be griefed by a pug tank as slayer
stable fiber
can't heroic leap during demolish channel
extremely loud incorrect buzzer
sudden owl
U probably do more damage as collosus even with the grief tho in 12.0.5
U can??? I guess I've never tried
stable fiber
yeah uh once i learned you could leap during demolish
i literally did not care that it was a channel
some people dont know that though and think its a death trap
when its like not at all
you can also jump and demolish so you can still move mid air
i do it alot on the garfrost fight
marble roost
if anyone is free i posted some of my logs, i am cheeks at arms and want to know how i should improve my rotation, i am watching youtubers and i feel like im following the process but i have to be doing something wrong
marble rose
Oh my gosh I did not know this
latent moss
you can also jump and demolish so you can still move mid air
i do it for the fadeaway
sudden owl
yeah I do the jump thing
stable fiber
i do it for the fadeaway
chills
sudden owl
next week I will leap during demolish into a shield on paladins thanks to this information
wooden lava
i do it for the fadeaway
jordan
exotic horizon
Guys what is the solution for our horrible single target it dose not feal right i feal I am getting carried in boss fight in mythic + ? My overall is good but I still dont feal right and I saw top player always have adds on boss for funnel etc all the time but pug won't bother adjusting his route just for arms etc .
fair tinsel
There isn't one
other than other class
Blizz seems content to jork off every dh/dk/warlock this season to completion
Oh, forgot aug. They had to wait one entire part of an expansion to be meta again, poor them.
rare kite
Oh, forgot aug. They had to wait one entire part of an expansion to be meta agai...
yeah them being meta 4/6 seasons of their existence is crazy
exotic horizon
I get that there should always be meta I understand that and if you dony have team you should play them what I dobt understand is that why certain classes stay meta all the time shouldn't they shuffle ?
I dont wanna play dk again
dim basalt
Youre playing phys meta then 
balmy kindle
I mean for slacking to 3400 , Aug is the best
Nobody knows how well you are doing unless they are logging
night peak
anyone know if it would be possible to macro wrecking thow and pummel together to use one if the other is on cooldown?
torpid acorn
Deep wounds was startint to feel right... and it was due to a bug
nova marsh
I mean for slacking to 3400 , Aug is the best
There is no joy in aug for me
balmy kindle
Same so sad for the dev players
nova marsh
Dev having to always live in augs shadow feels like a cruel curse
At least dev has been p good in raid for a while, ye?
balmy kindle
Tww S3 was the best, aug in the shitters
nova marsh
Shame I missed it
balmy kindle
Dev was amazing as well with the flame shaper tier set that allowed for fat ignites
balmy kindle
Instead now we have Aug Perma taking a spot
nova marsh
Rework Aug into a tank
balmy kindle
I wish, the nature of Augs kit pretty much ensure its going to be unholy dk(le no cap aoe) + another spec that has no cap aoe
fair tinsel
Don't worry, they'll surely see the state of warrior in logs and the giant difference in metaslop and phjys groups on raider.io and tune us soon
deft bluff
Nah we are surely getting a rework!!!!
balmy kindle
It's a shame even when we are decent in m+ its hard to push keys outside of friends
Like with Aug its legit cruising
dim basalt
Don't worry, they'll surely see the state of warrior in logs and the giant diffe...
What giant difference? lol
fair tinsel
What giant difference? lol
do you see a sea of phys comps in raiderio
or
aug dk caster insert here
dim basalt
hard rock
Are the hot fixes a net loss or gain
stable fiber
Are the hot fixes a net loss or gain
both
dim basalt
Are the hot fixes a net loss or gain
Loss in raid and gain in M+
(exceptions are raid encounters where you play col)
unreal mountain
As collosus its a gain cause we spam cleave but the crit doesnt do bleed with Slam is a damage lost before but why do they nerf the execute from slayer 😂 they don’t know what to do with Warrior as usual
dim basalt
Hard to call it a nerf when it was bugged ye
nova marsh
It honestly wouldnt surprise me if the hotfix team and tuning team are seperate
dim basalt
But like, it wasnt even noticable because of how bad our ST is
nova marsh
I mean
Im not even sure how you'd test for that
Theres a reason literally Noone knew it existed until it was hotfixed
Man
This shit is just a repeat of s1 of tww, just no strays
Blizz actually aiming
slate pond
Even if it was a bug. With the previous round of changes and this, neutering execute and buffing bleeds. Seems very not arms thing to do
ripe field
People that really dig into logs, simming and such could have noticed. Logs using execute more frequently than sims suggest would average higher DPS than expected when compared to sim perfect rotation
nova marsh
Almost more surprised that got patched
minor gust
nova marsh
But crushing combo didn't
ripe field
I noticed that a couple of the top Vorasius logs had oddly high execute casts per minute. Dunno if related or something else
slate pond
Soon arms is just gonna be affliction warrior
sharp sequoia
What is the optimal AOE rotation? Because I noticed that in some expeditions I do less damage than in others. Is this normal? Or am I doing something wrong? I'm following the wow head one
dim basalt
I noticed that a couple of the top Vorasius logs had oddly high execute casts pe...
Unlikely its related
slow saddle
i mean if u did more dmg with execute than normally
nova marsh
Soon arms is just gonna be affliction warrior
We already were
ripe field
I assume it could also be good RNG -> more execute casts type of deal
nova marsh
Colo tier
dim basalt
The only way to actually notice it would be comparing recent logs to pre-0.5 logs
slow saddle
but thats how we started doing more dmg now ?
or is this insignificant drop off in dps, if we have followed same rotation as before ?
latent moss
pretty significant
latent moss
im waiting for kha to rekill lura
slow saddle
with stronger execute profile ?
latent moss
its particularly significant on lura
slow saddle
ofc 2 x dmg in 2 x dmg phase is a lot
latent moss
let me guess, bug made us actually as good as other melees?
not that big i think
slow saddle
kek, if any other char positive bug removal would be followed up by a BUFF
fresh spire
Bug dps guestimation looking at the rank 1 warrior for voracious is like 4/5% dps ballpark
Bugs existed since early beta
fresh spire
St colossus would have been. Keys not at all
ripe field
No more copium. We are solidly B- for the tier
latent moss
st colossus isnt real
slow saddle
surely exe buff to make up for it
i mean for real exe could use a buff no ?
and if it takes prio OVER MS. just hear me out
buff ms 😄
or buff EP to make us wanna press MS at 2 x executes
EP is a rly good tool to fix execute rotation 😄
sadly ep also makes our MS hit like a wetnoodle at times
nova marsh
No more copium. We are solidly B- for the tier
For keys maybe
For raid its actually over
Good thing I dont raid 
torpid acorn
wait, why are people talking about execute frequency, and 2x more damage in execute phase?
The bug is only affecting the damage on deep wounds right? not the frequency of executes or its damage
slow saddle
For raid its actually over
its that bad ?
fair tinsel
7/10 of the top 10 keys (small metric) are meta slop
blissful tinsel
its that bad ?
Yeeeeeh basically
fair tinsel
as the key levels increase, you're gonna see less and less phys
dim basalt
7/10 of the top 10 keys (small metric) are meta slop
There are more than enough in the top 100 lols
tame perch
aw brooo 🙁
fair tinsel
there's still 2 months of s1
blissful tinsel
Most of my war friends and I are sat for last 2-3 bosses 😅
sharp galleon
fellas does Berserker Rage work for alleria intermission
dim basalt
Phys can compete with meta
torpid acorn
I actually found it weird that my fury build simmed 4 to 5k more DPS than my arms, and that wouldnt translate to actual gameplay.
know i know why
fair tinsel
and once again phys will disappear
fair tinsel
weapons/trinkets-whatever else
reef glade
exe bug worth like 7k dps on your kill the math has been mathed you will explode @stable fiber
stable fiber
lol
reef glade
apparently bug's been around since start of the xpac
was one mention of it in like jan on beta or something lol
funny
stable fiber
sheesh
stable fiber
i figured something was up with arms
on vorasius i almost always did more then my sim dps
idk that log will be unbeatable for a WHILE
stable fiber
i see
reef glade
slow saddle
ok thats a big fucking loss ngl
stable fiber
ah its applying twice ok
reef glade
like 4% or so i thikn
stable fiber
yeah 4% made sense
slow saddle
but it wasnt reflected in sims
reef glade
on ur kill only 3.5 or so somehow
stable fiber
sim dps is unchanged
slow saddle
so sim power is same
reef glade
maybe cuz p1 through 2 is so long
minor gust
cool to figure out
reef glade
and exe phase actually really short
even if it is double amp
like maybe 2 min or less of actual full exe phase dmg i would assume
but doing the same thing on like a vorasius log it looks like the guy would lose 4%
r1 that is
dim basalt
W
minor gust
vast helm
While other classes have simplified their key bindings and talents, warriors still have a ton of key bindings, and even their talents are cramped. Take DW from Execute, for example; this talent could easily be merged with Mortal Wounds, right? Then move Mortal Prowess or design a separate talent for the talent tree. I just don't understand why they don't simplify it a bit.
sharp galleon
yeet Rend into the bin
stable fiber
rend damage should just be built into deep wounds
sharp galleon
yeh my b
minor gust
sheeesh
stable fiber
yeah so iconic they even had to add to to fury who historically has only ever used it once ever
xdd
ICONIC
sharp galleon
even in classic dont you stop using rend at like level 10 or something lmao
minor gust
rend in classic was used to bleed a rogue das it
stable fiber
although i think it was also wrath+
minor gust
rend didnt become real till taste for blood talent
stable fiber
fury never used it past wrath though
sharp galleon
we just have like a ton of bleeds for no reason
minor gust
BFA memberberries keep them around
stable fiber
idk why they killed troar for rend
stupid
atleast for fury
90 second cd vs something you uselike every 15 seconds
and they both do not a lot of dps
sharp galleon
there was a time where roar did like x4 crit dmg or something or am i hallucinating
torpid acorn
exe bug worth like 7k dps on your kill the math has been mathed you will explode...
i mathed mine.. its around 7k yes
stable fiber
yep
blissful tinsel
I’ve mained Warrior since day one vanilla
And I don’t think I remember being this disillusioned before
tender plaza
Reroll time
torpid acorn
While other classes have simplified their key bindings and talents, warriors sti...
we have 3 separate talents affecting overpower resets... 3!
blissful tinsel
Reroll time
My DK now out gears my warrior at 282, spent the last week spamming crest farm on it
unreal mountain
They finally fixed the FOB bug , which is Nice and definitly a damage boost but st sucks
blissful tinsel
On top of having a shitty tuning tier it got super unlucky with drops too
dusk geyser
they're gonna ask chatgpt what to buff/nerf next 🤷♂️
stable fiber
they're gonna ask chatgpt what to buff/nerf next 🤷♂️
i really do think they asked a robot with the practiced strikes change
they nerfed the talent just to add whirlwind damage to a hero spec that can only ever take cleave
vast helm
tuning coming on friday we believe.
minor gust
Aint no more tuning. This is about that time where they give up for the rest of the season.
dusk geyser
welp, the boss dmg, what counts on every fight is abysmall for both specs, although its much better on arms, but the bug fix kinda cooked us
slow saddle
isnt the ST the same now ?:D
soft peak
Anyway, nerf arms more is too op, dh and dk needs buff
fallen bolt
You miss lock they need buff too
fallen bolt
And ret too 3 button easy rotation no fail and huge dps
stable fiber
could go spec fury and find out
gentle gyro
or just devo
sacred summit
welp, the boss dmg, what counts on every fight is abysmall for both specs, altho...
isnt our boss damage on the harder prog bosses like dragons onwards decentv
slow saddle
isnt our boss damage on the harder prog bosses like dragons onwards decentv
note the nerf we got to a bug 😄
that made arms better than fury in st
stable fiber
isnt our boss damage on the harder prog bosses like dragons onwards decentv
good on paladins, idk on crown cause it counts the damage amp adds as well, bad on beloren, mid on l'ura now
id say bad on crown
stable fiber
alot of arms damage on l'ura comes in p3 and p4, p4 however isnt a real part of the fight
sure you top dps in p3, but the dks arent far behind you
and they do 30k more in other phases as well
now with the DW bug fix you do 4% less damage as well
stable fiber
Very bad indeed
idk how to check crown cause arcane and shadow are not doing this much boss damage
so ik its counting the bullshit in p1
robust cliff
so this new fix is a net loss not a buff to single?
stable fiber
so this new fix is a net loss not a buff to single?
its a big prio gain in m+ as colossus and a big st loss in raid
minor gust
It's a loss for slayer M+ as well
stable fiber
but there isnt a lot of overlap where you experience both at the same time
minor gust
Gg
dusk geyser
isnt our boss damage on the harder prog bosses like dragons onwards decentv
wouldnt say so
robust cliff
what % wise we talking here 1-2% or more lol???
stable fiber
what % wise we talking here 1-2% or more lol???
~4% st loss
robust cliff
oh god
stable fiber
the prio damage idk yet but it seems big
dusk geyser
on alleria as arms i didnt have bad st but its not great either
stable fiber
should add a pretty good amount of funnel
which is nice for m+
cause you dont spec execute deep wounds as colossus
stable fiber
on alleria as arms i didnt have bad st but its not great either
imma cook something on this boss when i get to it
i have some ideas in mind
dusk geyser
and on belo'ren that i played for the first day of progress it was bad, i benched myself after
for a ww monk
minor gust
Slayer just needed that extra kick in the teeth for M+ too
stable fiber
well not when i get to it
minor gust
stable fiber
when i reclear it
thick kelp
i have some ideas in mind
Hit boss
dusk geyser
i was literally holding back my group because of the spec dmg, for fury too on alleria, i would have 85ish logs on each try but being last dps on boss dmg 🤷♂️
dusk geyser
definitely not good
thick kelp
its is DEEPER then this
robust cliff
btw whats peoples thoughts on skyreach now you cant do funnel tech is slayer absolutely 100% dead that aint even an option anymore?
fervent urchin
Do you guys know, is there a way to track trinket procs now, for passive trinkets?
stable fiber
you dont really need to track it unless your using reck pot
fervent urchin
wp blizzard
stable fiber
and i think reck pot is worth cancelling haste effects for personally
upper sparrow
btw whats peoples thoughts on skyreach now you cant do funnel tech is slayer abs...
Slayer will never die in my heart, I don’t care how many pugs flame my damage
slow saddle
btw whats peoples thoughts on skyreach now you cant do funnel tech is slayer abs...
dno what tech but
slayer is very dead
dmg wise
robust cliff
I mean this aint for anything below 18 tbh. this is more aimed at the dudes doing 19-20s
slow saddle
like if route works it wouks r
robust cliff
you used to be able to pull stair mobs into 1st boss and 2nd
slow saddle
but if we talk dmg i dont c slayer being valueble
robust cliff
but now idk
fervent urchin
I played every spec version in the 16-17's range, and anything works 😄
robust cliff
yeah cant do either now
slow saddle
u will just SUFFER as arms in that key
stable fiber
slayer is much much better ST
slow saddle
end of story
stable fiber
still
slow saddle
and doing first 5 big pulls
as slayer
is not a thing
or 3 pulls ? what ever it is in higher keys 😄
robust cliff
well u normally do the whole platform in 1 so its 2 pulls before 1st boss I guess
slow saddle
yeah imagine suddenly 1 player doing 20% less dmg there
thats kindda significant
if not more
for speed over boss dmg
robust cliff
idk just pure single ur just griefing but guess ur just gonna have to run 2 more single t dps specs
so probs no ferral
stable fiber
could be comp dependent
robust cliff
yeah could see that
slow saddle
u could remove dk for rogue?
slow saddle
rogue has decent st as well ?
stable fiber
so idk
slow saddle
hmm boomie ?
stable fiber
dont think boomie
slow saddle
i guess elemental-war-ret-resto-brew
robust cliff
yea vers buff kinda needed
stable fiber
yeah could be ele
slow saddle
yea vers buff kinda needed
which is funny coz arms avoids versa like the plague in gearing 😄
stable fiber
resto druid can keep ele alive
slow saddle
ok. i mean if the resto druid dmg spec gets to live
robust cliff
yea idk gonna be intresting seeing monksea and the others cook some shit for skyreach its gonna be a real rough col key tbh I was even thinking it could be a fury angle key but idk
slow saddle
im pretty certain that is the combo u wanna run
slow saddle
yea idk gonna be intresting seeing monksea and the others cook some shit for sky...
i mean u still have plenty of 2t
collosus is pretty good there
slow saddle
why not ?
stable fiber
kills funnel
slow saddle
relevant on trash that much ?
robust cliff
yeah they do kinda kill off ur smallies
slow saddle
as long as theres 3 biggues we fine though 😄
slow saddle
nah
i think they are either mass aoe or mass st ?
like in how they do dmg ?
at least last time i saw video
robust cliff
ret does though right?
stable fiber
ret does yes
slow saddle
ret funnels in cds big time
outside no
outside they can Purely st to keep warriors funnel alive
stable fiber
how does ret funnel btw
slow saddle
dont know the Net gain // loss for GRPS ST dmg if pala entirely St's on bosses
stable fiber
i havent seen how
indigo quail
they're gonna ask chatgpt what to buff/nerf next 🤷♂️
Im gonna ask gemini
slow saddle
execution sentnce
slow saddle
it is ?
hard rock
Do we wanna switch targets when cleaving to apply the slam wounds now during pulls or does that not matter
stable fiber
part
stable fiber
target the highest hp add
hard rock
If there isn’t one single biggun
slow saddle
so if it had x seconds left it will now do more dmg
well there ALWAYS is
every pull has a prio mob
stable fiber
like those mobs that ride on the dragons in pit i always target and they always die first lmfao
they have the most hp by like 50% and do tank busters i think
robust cliff
y graveblades are prio mobs they increase frost dmg to tanks by like 200% or smth
slow saddle
like those mobs that ride on the dragons in pit i always target and they always ...
ok im a scrub i always just target dragon
from now on i shall improve. tbf i only did meme keys 17's 😄
robust cliff
oh dragon does piss all
indigo quail
He knows whats up
stable fiber
patchwerk headahh mob
indigo quail
The Utility Overhaul: "The Tactician"
Ret and Unholy are brought to groups because they solve problems (Blessings, Grips, AMZ). Arms needs to move beyond just "Battle Shout."
Bloodlust/Heroism (New): Give Warriors a shout that provides Lust. Historically, Warriors are the "commanders" of the battlefield—it fits the fantasy perfectly.
robust cliff
y just frontal its either graveblade or the necro dude if ur group sturggles w kicks
indigo quail
Inspiring Banner: Grants the party leech and movement speed.
Conqueror’s Banner: Increases party Critical Strike damage or Mastery.
stable fiber
The Utility Overhaul: "The Tactician"
Ret and Unholy are brought to groups beca...
the funniest part about people asking for lust
is that warriors will almost ALWAYS run with a shaman
in meaningful content
manic belfry
I take it the fix/nerf doesn't affect anything? Still play arms in M+ and raids from paladins onwards?
indigo quail
Its basically picking up all suggestions i have seen online
stable fiber
if you care about doing dps as warrior you want a resto shaman
balmy kindle
Any shaman
robust cliff
its like 10% more overall dmg or smth
robust cliff
yeah thats way to big to ignore lol
considering the healing profile isn't that bad this tier as totemic they can heal the highest keys np
indigo quail
Good one make demolish a jump to target smash
indigo quail
warrior has pretty decent utility idk
Cd are way too high
spark mango
guys, stance mastery is simming more for me in slayer raid build, but most people are parsing with barbaric training
what do you think
stable fiber
guys, stance mastery is simming more for me in slayer raid build, but most peopl...
stance mastery slowly overtaking barbaric training
when you get more crit
it sims better for me now
upper sparrow
warrior has pretty decent utility idk
ranged interrupt and silence is goated, I love it
stable fiber
^
spark mango
i think its because i'm super high crit
stable fiber
2x kick is very good
stable fiber
mini stampede
slow saddle
MAN with arms nerf. my dk is rly a lot better than my arms this is pretty sad
spark mango
0.6% diffrence
stable fiber
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tVq3rmrad9S46CmUmSJ9qj
oh yeah ur crit is nasty
indigo quail
MAN with arms nerf. my dk is rly a lot better than my arms this is pretty sad
Been rolling a ret pally. Its soo smooth, brain dead rotation you just need to count to 5.
robust cliff
DK is a bliz fav so will always be better unfortunately
spark mango
ok, but i simmed other stats and trinkets, this just simmed higher
slow saddle
hmm so if we could take BOTH talents
stable fiber
im not saying its bad
slow saddle
how much more dmg would we do ?
stable fiber
2x crit trinket good
stable fiber
ok, but i simmed other stats and trinkets, this just simmed higher
have u tried simming recklessness pot
spark mango
have u tried simming recklessness pot
No i havent, didnt kow it existed
stable fiber
im trying to think of ways blizzard can buff us wihtout buffin
could switch javelineer and barb training
slow saddle
in our DUCKING CLASS TREE
indigo quail
Make rend a MS proc if you talent it?
slow saddle
all i heard is make REND proc MS in st
indigo quail
Make Demolish a Jump to target ability
slow saddle
holy fuck that would be frustrating
indigo quail
Make HS off the GCD ability?
stable fiber
pathing in our class tree in the last gate could be better
spark mango
@stable fiber look at this bro https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r1qr9DFEWvBagEbC6nZVAK
stable fiber
<@232249410103279616> look at this bro https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r...
told you
haha
spark mango
it even changed my enchant
stable fiber
very good potion
spark mango
on weapon
indigo quail
all i heard is make REND proc MS in st
We have sweeping strikes
slow saddle
i mean i want it in ST
indigo quail
Thats another one that could be in built
slow saddle
what does sweepin strikes have to do with that
upper sparrow
There any niche uses for Shattering Throw?
slow saddle
rend can still be applied in st situation
stable fiber
u gonna have to be a little more thorough
astral yarrow
slam off the gcd is a good take
we have sadly already been told anything like it is never gonne happen
slow saddle
we have sadly already been told anything like it is never gonne happen
god no that would mean even more starvation
stable fiber
we have sadly already been told anything like it is never gonne happen
yeah i figured they wouldnt, its very rewarding in mop though
slow saddle
just bring back mortal combo tbh
stable fiber
only off gcd shit is for tanks
indigo quail
Im just a smooth brain lad with smooth brain takes
astral yarrow
although i'd like hs offgcd or something like focused rage again
indigo quail
Dont take me seriously
slow saddle
mortal combo as a talent for Collosus
astral yarrow
god no that would mean even more starvation
not as slayer necessarily
slow saddle
in particular, and only workin for MS not cleave
slow saddle
i mean i got starved sev times today - slam - hs - slam - ms - slam-slam-op
balmy kindle
im trying to think of ways blizzard can buff us wihtout buffin
Make us less reliant on sky fury
slow saddle
Make us less reliant on sky fury
yeah so what u are sayin is
ACTUALLY give us a rage increase
thats to based brother never gonna happen
stable fiber
literally the only way u make skyfury not relevant is removing the auto attacks from giving you rage
slow saddle
we gonna struggle and we gonna love it
stable fiber
which they wont ever do
reef glade
There any niche uses for Shattering Throw?
if you dont have a priest on paladins and want to explode yourself you can break 1 of their shields!
indigo quail
Warr needs a rework
balmy kindle
indigo quail
We stuck in 2012
slow saddle
literally the only way u make skyfury not relevant is removing the auto attacks ...
i mean it would be nice IF
slow saddle
like it wasnt as bad as now
ye im think more qol
idm it being very good for us btw
theres 3 different kinds of shamans
one is usually pretty good in a grp comp
not having grp comps diminishes game
stable fiber
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pbCtbyzseuQG2pJZcBjHX7
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gyUBovKaccQLomCrbwdtxW
balmy kindle
ATM not having sky fury = your rotation feels so constipated
stable fiber
pretty nasty what skyfury does
balmy kindle
It's insane from tww
stable fiber
6 more executes
2 more mortal strikes
stable fiber
i dont agree
multiplayer game
you should rely on other peoples raid buffs to do good damage
indigo quail
Do Unholy and Devourer need a babysitter?
stable fiber
yeah its called aug
minor gust
Skyfury is fine for raid but becomes cringe for 5 mans
indigo quail
Good comp is a multiplier
balmy kindle
Yeah Dev and unholy don't need help
balmy kindle
But Realistically you can replace ddh with havoc or whatever and it's not going to be much difference
For us though a pocket shaman is mandatory
indigo quail
They still do well without it
upper sparrow
Don’t worry guys, buffs are incoming. I can feel it in my bones
indigo quail
For us though a pocket shaman is mandatory
It should not be. Thats my point. If we have one in comp, amazing extra damage, but warr should be self reliant.
Its a crutch atm
balmy kindle
At this point I will take anything really
indigo quail
Tbf i dont play fury.
latent moss
nah here's the thing
balmy kindle
^^
indigo quail
The difference between my warr and pally, is that pally procs lead me to more damage
Warr procs fishes for abilities
To do more damage
I dont have to spam templar strike 3 times to get a proc on pally
But sometimes i have to spam slam 3 times for something
If that makes sense
balmy kindle
Well because we didn't shut down the class discord
indigo quail
balmy kindle
Blizzard don't give us the attention
balmy kindle
But ret is at least playable without skyfury
peak mica
Getting the opener going and starving for rage when I’m trying to get my cleave spam off feels super bad
balmy kindle
Rend costing 20 rage
indigo quail
Im starting to believe they dont know what to do with the class.
balmy kindle
Dw it's been this way since forever
indigo quail
dusk geyser
its either they go full rework for 12.1 on warrior or we all end up playing prot or rerolling
peak mica
I like the way colo plays, but rage starving feels bad. Idk how you fix that though without making rage meaningless and just for flavor
indigo quail
I like the way colo plays, but rage starving feels bad. Idk how you fix that tho...
I woupd like demolish to be like wake of ashes where you move around, or like the Hunter Leap. Being stuck while casting feels bad.
stable fiber
if you make baseline arms not rage starved, then windfury arms is going to overcap on rage perma
its kinda a weird scenario
overcapping on rage sucks ass
peak mica
Overcapping and never overcapping but never starving are essentially the same thing
Except for execute hitting big every time
stable fiber
Overcapping and never overcapping but never starving are essentially the same th...
its a weird thing but they are not the same thing
specs should feel rewarding to play correctly and then when you have have a resource bar
is it really rewarding when the resource bar is always full no matter what u do
not really
like its one of my least favorite things about fury
peak mica
I agree with that, which is why I’m not sure how to make it interesting for groups without sky fury. It’s either you dont really worry about rage when you have it or you do sometimes when you don’t
stable fiber
is that you perma overcap during bladestorm and you lose like 100 rage for no reason
during reck
peak mica
I haven’t played fury really so can’t comment
Rage feels meaningful for prot but for arms it just feels like a constraint
stable fiber
im not entirely sure what you do because arms essentially has 6 different type of rage economies
old ermine
Rend costing 20 rage <:deadge:900279927138578432>
no wonder im running out of rage
stable fiber
you have:
non execute st
execute st
aoe rotation
non execute st with wf
execute st with wf
aoe rotation with wf
its kinda hard to balance all of those perfectly
execute st is the worst of those 6 with rage econ
under 30 rage perma
fresh spire
So the deep wounds bug also effected fury and prot lol
Fury also taking more ls
Like 2.8% slayer 1.5% thane St nerfs
peak mica
Yea. I kinda like the idea of using certain abilities to buff up other abilities to make them crank. Almost like combo points but not really
fresh spire
Arms was between 4-5
sand summit
Hey guys! Quick question... Do unhinged works with sweeping strikes again?
peak mica
But then you wind up with bloated keybinds
sand summit
Thanks.
brave silo
is there anything in raid we can spell reflect? Not counting just the DR
slow saddle
Like 2.8% slayer 1.5% thane St nerfs
hahaha
we are gettin the stick as usual
when its other specs they get buffs
when ever they get a positive thing removed
peak mica
Gimme a trinket slot I can put a shaman in
slow saddle
ok so what do we play on dragons now
do we bother we cleave ?
and just do the M+ build for col
stable fiber
Any ideas on how the class should be reworked?
think recklessness for fury should work like surrender to madness or the devourer dh meta
stable fiber
nah let me cook
indigo quail
rework done
slow saddle
like i think slayer is FUN to play
peak mica
Yea I just don’t wanna starve. I like how it plays otherwise atm
slow saddle
but its just dogshit dmg
ideally there could be some interaction between pressing Execute and higher chance of tactician proc
idc if we are overcapped on OP procs
i just want execute to be never starved, and saved by pressin op at times
indigo quail
Serious question tho, do you think the class has too much button bloats and dot babysit?
peak mica
Like make execute cost a small amount of rage but do more damage based on how full your bar is
slow saddle
Serious question tho, do you think the class has too much button bloats and dot ...
no
slow saddle
Like make execute cost a small amount of rage but do more damage based on how fu...
no ?
halcyon valve
🤡 i was wondering why deep wounds was doing so much damage last night, good to know it was bugged, instead of arms being allowed to do damage
slow saddle
theres only REND
only dot to keep up
everything else is procs
theres not rly anything to babysit
halcyon valve
Like make execute cost a small amount of rage but do more damage based on how fu...
Absolutely not
slow saddle
Absolutely not
imagine waitin for 120 rage to hit execute once
always being overcapped 😄
indigo quail
Would it be better to have rend inbuilt with another ability? Cause its an extta button to press.
halcyon valve
Would it be better to have rend inbuilt with another ability? Cause its an extta...
It is baked into ms during execute
slow saddle
like its 1 uptime
and in execute we get the sweet release
which again makes execute more impactfull which is fine
indigo quail
or go play fdk or something
Im just getting a feel on what ppl think, dont take it personally
stable fiber
leave rage gen the same way it currently is, overpower doesnt buff ms anymore but instead is a rage generator, tactician remains unchanged. SD needs a more consistent proc rate, possibly it just procs for free every 20 seconds while in combat so slayer always has BS lined up with avatar.
honorable mention is slam/hs is off the gcd
slow saddle
or ret
indigo quail
They are smoother to play tbf
slow saddle
i mean arms is pretty smooth to play as well
indigo quail
Except demolish
stable fiber
OP being a rage generator does kinda fix rage issues without overcapping you a shit load
just realized that
slow saddle
OP being a rage generator does kinda fix rage issues without overcapping you a s...
yup
also like changes prio
a tiny bit if u are 1 charge op u prob slam
which is fine
stable fiber
i play like that anyways already
hasty pumice
i mean arms is pretty smooth to play as well
St slayer in raid feels like ass to play
Not being able to take battlelord makes it feel like ass
With battlelord I'd agree
marsh parcel
sweeping strikes off the gcd
stable fiber
thats like qol
indigo quail
sweeping strikes off the gcd
Yed
stable fiber
not really a rework
wintry scroll
i don't get the announcement did they nerf slayer ?
balmy kindle
St slayer in raid = waiting for procs
stable fiber
i don't get the announcement did they nerf slayer ?
bug fix nerfed st slayer and m+ slayer
wintry scroll
cuz i see nothing about that in the blue post
indigo quail
not really a rework
Ill take anything atm
flat willow
hasty pumice
i don't get the announcement did they nerf slayer ?
Buffed colossus arms in M+, all other warrior specs "nerfed" because of a bug fix
Big pp damage loss for arms st
peak mica
I like the overpower rage generator thing
wintry scroll
Buffed colossus arms in M+, all other warrior specs "nerfed" because of a bug fi...
just tell us to stop playing the game atp
indigo quail
But yep sweeping off gcd(along with HS) and mobility on demolish and i would be ok
hasty pumice
just tell us to stop playing the game atp
Nah
flat willow
Big pp damage loss for arms st
Wait does that mean unholy is back to doing double our single target damage
hasty pumice
M+ is giga fun and colossus arms is big fun there as well, I'm enjoying myself
wintry scroll
M+ is giga fun and colossus arms is big fun there as well, I'm enjoying myself
i am too until i'm at bosses
and i'm doing tank dmmg
hasty pumice
If you have a shaman you should not deal tank damage lol
Unless you lose uptime all the time
stable fiber
but 30k more prob
wintry scroll
u are barely over taking him
balmy kindle
hasty pumice
wintry scroll
im overexagerating but we sure are doing no ST
balmy kindle
We need to play more like rets
vocal flicker
and i'm doing tank dmmg
ask tank to pull some adds to boss for funnel 
wintry scroll
the issue is i'm always top overall but i get depression every time it's an ST boss
hasty pumice
Yeah you can get good procs
wintry scroll
ask tank to pull some adds to boss for funnel <:ydnad:1030092574058369044>
not awlays possible
indigo quail
In a perfect world i would also be dating monica belluci
hasty pumice
Nice now I got a granny in public transport sitting next to me talking to herself
Shouldn't joke around, instant karma
peak mica
They fixed the fob dw thing?
stable fiber
They fixed the fob dw thing?
yeah
indigo quail
Along with 80k
peak mica
Oh baby
wintry scroll
Nice now I got a granny in public transport sitting next to me talking to hersel...
at least u are not in germany and crackheads are sitting next to you waiting for you to finish your drink
for their pfand money
stable fiber
fixed the fob dw and nerfed the deep wounds talent itself
which colo didnt take that talent
so who cares
hasty pumice
Ye Colo got a W
hasty pumice
Funnel prio damage going up again
indigo quail
just never raid on your warrior
flat willow
also don't do windrunner spire, cuz you'll do tank damage on the last boss
wintry scroll
just never raid on your warrior
having a 100 log and being 10 in dmmg is such a wet dream
hasty pumice
also don't do windrunner spire, cuz you'll do tank damage on the last boss
That's why you port out and go to slayer b
balmy kindle
Tbf m+ >> raid
hasty pumice
Kill 3rd boss > dungeon teleport to windrunner > change to raid spec
Go back in
You lose 15 seconds roughly on boss fight time but you gain way more DPS
deft bluff
So we
hasty pumice
It's worth
tacit crystal
does it tp you back to 3rd boss
deft bluff
Are fixed but nerfed too :(
cold cargo
M+ is giga fun and colossus arms is big fun there as well, I'm enjoying myself
how do u manage Skyreach
hasty pumice
Also you can much more easily hold bladestorm than demolish to skip the aoe phase
stable fiber
having a 100 log and being 10 in dmmg is such a wet dream
rank 1 fury on crown of the cosmos btw
upper sparrow
Kill 3rd boss > dungeon teleport to windrunner > change to raid spec
this is disgusting
wintry scroll
is it worth to player slayer in specefic dungs or just perma colo ?
cold cargo
My dmg in skyreach is so horrid
tacit crystal
also how do you account for pressing demo as one of last globals
hasty pumice
how do u manage Skyreach
Either colossus with big ST pumpers or fury
stable fiber
think its just perma colo now
hasty pumice
Like colossus + outlaw go insane together but outlaw is super hard to play
tacit crystal
nah
hasty pumice
<:weird:718676218500874320>
You do the same strat in Seat 20/21 btw
hasty pumice
Seat and windrunner you can dungeon port out after 3rd boss and swap to slayer st
indigo quail
rank 1 fury on crown of the cosmos btw
I dont feel that bad about myself now.
tacit crystal
para/trap/hex
balmy kindle
rank 1 fury on crown of the cosmos btw
Oof
vocal flicker
Like colossus + outlaw go insane together but outlaw is super hard to play
What do u think about biz Colo st build?
hasty pumice
Oh yeah true you could do that
indigo quail
What do u think about biz Colo st build? <:monkahmm:1382590600439664751>
Can you share?
cold cargo
Like colossus + outlaw go insane together but outlaw is super hard to play
im currently actually thinking about rerolling to an outlaw as 2nd main but I already struggle getting invites as Warri lmao ppl just want meta slaves
hasty pumice
What do u think about biz Colo st build? <:monkahmm:1382590600439664751>
Idk I'm no theorycrafter. I just play the same aoe spec that farover spammed before his injury
I think the ST talents need more context in high keys with different comps and dungeon situations that I CBA thinking about so I just keep blasting aoe
balmy kindle
It's like 2-3 % more ST
hasty pumice
But you can always ask him haha
balmy kindle
But i do feel weaker in big pulls
dim basalt
The colo st build is kinda nice for AA and SR (if bad tank)
hasty pumice
im currently actually thinking about rerolling to an outlaw as 2nd main but I al...
Ye on Tuesday I was 7/8 20s only missing MC 20 and I didn't get an invite for 7h+
tacit crystal
Seat and windrunner you can dungeon port out after 3rd boss and swap to slayer s...
do you get tp':d to third boss alwwys
safe island
Deep Wounds applied by Execute no longer deal double the intended damage.
wait what?
hasty pumice
So I'm stuck on 21s right now cause I need to find more Phys comp players and groups to fill in for
safe island
actually we had good bug?
grave shore
Hey guys, what dungeon should i primarily be using my Voidcores on?
Assuming i have no gear
hasty pumice
Almost everyone around my level has a group and I'm just chilling
hasty pumice
do you get tp':d to third boss alwwys
Yeah
cold cargo
Ye on Tuesday I was 7/8 20s only missing MC 20 and I didn't get an invite for 7h...
Same for me just with resi 17 cause im not that goated yet
but I literally have 6/8 on 17
but dont get invited to skyreach and seat