arms

[reef glade]

i assumed it as the latter

but maybe the former? would be even weirder tho

[latent moss]

how noob was more vorasius group what the helly

[reef glade]

like each execute treated as it applying deep wounds twice, so it stacks twice

[latent moss]

huge execute damage tho

[reef glade]

is what i feel like "double deep wounds damage" means

but itd be kinda silly if hitting execute just flat doubled the entire bleed on the boss

[latent moss]

ye thats gonna be

a lot of exe dmg

lost

[slow saddle]

Well i guess we will c new numbers next week on st fights like vora

[minor gust]

[reef glade]

assuming it the first way i said i just like quick napkin maffs thought its like 25-30% nerf to deep wounds

if its the other way its probably more tho

but i could also just be yapplebeesing

off a random log

maybe more accurate off a quick sim or somethin

[latent moss]

what the FUCK is my

execute crits

what the helly?

[reef glade]

you wanna see something cool

on bird kill i apparently ripped a 224k first egg

never seen that ever

prev highest 205k

just a fun 84% mortal strike crit apparently

[slow saddle]

S d sd sd sd?

[latent moss]

ye u showed it axxaxaaax

nah just ms perma critting

which is what actually determines ur dmg on this spec

[reef glade]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/frXja372LQZ8FR46?fight=24&phase=2&playermetric=dps&type=damage-done&start=5821506&end=5870242

[latent moss]

cause u have 90 impales

axaxaxax

32% of ur damage

[reef glade]

221k egg dps absolute highest ive ever seen with the most god given grace of crits

and still 10th on egg

poggers

[nova marsh]

dude I had MS perma crit on the amp in NPX this morning

Fucking peak

[slow saddle]

I was a obiut 2 say

🤣

[latent moss]

ye

[slow saddle]

Still below mid

[latent moss]

i had it happen on amps in m+ too

u actually compete

if ur ms perma crits

in amps

[nova marsh]

It's the downside of playing a big hit spec

[latent moss]

"big hit"

[nova marsh]

Okay leeme just drop it

It's a high variance spec

[slow saddle]

So, with dw nerf does this mean we actually can get buffed?

[latent moss]

no

[wooden lava]

big shit more like

[nova marsh]

no

[latent moss]

idk i wish ms just perma crit

[nova marsh]

no buffs till .7 or s2

[latent moss]

to remove some variance

[slow saddle]

Ah well affects m+ very little

[nova marsh]

colo never even took exe DW

[latent moss]

did on max 2t build i think

pre .5 changes

so idk anymore

[nova marsh]

So

It was taken for checks notes just vanguard?

[latent moss]

nah on vanguard u play m+

[nova marsh]

oh and dragons maybe

[reef glade]

bruh

chaos bolt

[latent moss]

the moment there are more than 2t it just falls off a cliff i think

[reef glade]

aimed shot

"guaranteed crit and dmg increased on crit chance"

haha

what a cool concept

[latent moss]

idk why our apex

isnt that

[reef glade]

maybe we give that

to a class that always likes crits

[latent moss]

for as long as i remember

ms not critting has been a problem for arms

from an enjoyability perspective

[reef glade]

75 crit damage multipliers

if crit was just double damage

sure fair

but its like 3x or more

poggers

[latent moss]

u dont like seeing ur ms hit for 21k

then 75k

(it crit)

[nova marsh]

does MM or destro have crit damage

[slow saddle]

This

[reef glade]

27k min to 340k max

yep cocka

[latent moss]

AXAXAXAXXA

[reef glade]

10x damage for fun

[latent moss]

27K

AT WHAT

[reef glade]

random multipliers

[latent moss]

ure 284

285

286 idk

either way man

[reef glade]

ya

[latent moss]

27k at that ilvl is just

disgusting

actually disgusting

like on st opener as colo

[slow saddle]

Tbf ep

[latent moss]

if ur ms doesnt crit

u are doing 50k

with all cds

[slow saddle]

Isnt it garantueed

First sfter cs🤣

[latent moss]

1 ms is guaranteed

after demo

also they should just remove colossal might

and make it like hammer of light

make it like

[slow saddle]

Yup. Always having 2 do silly shitz to do dmg

[latent moss]

after x casts of ms/cleave u get a free demo

[slow saddle]

Works horridly i n, m+

[latent moss]

demolish just

needs to work like templar

like hammer of light

u cs u get demo

u press it it does big damage

after x amount of ms/cleave casts u get a free demo

or u dont even have to do that

to keep demo hitting very hard

[nova marsh]

Genuinely

hard agree

I honestly feel like demo is just impossible to align in ST. I'm probally wrong

But it feels like it

[reef glade]

demo i thought is like one of the few good feeling things rn

but yea only in aoe

getting like 30% of stack generation on st is just gg

but i mean colo in st pepelaugh anyway

[latent moss]

ye it still sometimes just doesnt align

[nova marsh]

Just make MS always give 2 stacks if it isn't swept

[latent moss]

on st

[nova marsh]

+2 if it crits

and genuinely if they don't make it on cs it'd be perfect

[latent moss]

or just dont have 94350785643

cdr mechanics

when u already have 1

[sudden owl]

watching my tanks die on crown as a DPS warrior while I have like 80% boss uptime is my hell

[latent moss]

like why cant they put bladestorm on am

[sudden owl]

release me

[latent moss]

its soooooo simple

[nova marsh]

Outlaw feels good because it's just one CDR

[latent moss]

solves all desyncing issues

[nova marsh]

Why can't warrior do the same

[reef glade]

nope

[latent moss]

survival can move during boomstick

[reef glade]

they have to make slayers strikes do something more relevant than just damage

or else why does slayer exist

[latent moss]

sure u have to aim it

[reef glade]

cluegi

[latent moss]

but still

[nova marsh]

This is arms

Ask in fury

[rustic wing]

oops

[latent moss]

lowk i would just remove that fuckass proc

and make execute turbo fuck

[reef glade]

manaforge 2pc + dragonflight slam tclap off of a sd

cinema perhaps?

dont have to hit rend on st too

[latent moss]

nah

[reef glade]

hesRight

[latent moss]

we cant get manaforge 2pc

it would play too good

[minor gust]

Its also BS CDR which is what sucks about it

[reef glade]

lowkirkenuinely rather have bs be a flat 90 second cd and it just does like 2-3x more dmg

[latent moss]

or just 90s on am

[nova marsh]

Agreed

[reef glade]

i mean yea

[minor gust]

think just am is bis

[latent moss]

so it always aligns with avatar

instead of this bs

[nova marsh]

Hoenstly

[latent moss]

where its sometimes 20s cd

[nova marsh]

I'd rather our only CDR be on CS

[latent moss]

sometimes 1min

[nova marsh]

and evreything else is static

[upper sparrow]

Avatar been pissing me off so bad

[nova marsh]

personally

I'd rather just get rid of ava

[upper sparrow]

there

[latent moss]

same

and giga juice cs

[reef glade]

it is p useless yea

[nova marsh]

Literally

[reef glade]

like just put 10% more dmg into cs

[nova marsh]

you could just remove avatar

[reef glade]

and its done

basically

[latent moss]

GIVE ME

[reef glade]

maybe bit more

[latent moss]

IN FOR THE KILL

[nova marsh]

and buff 4th apex or CS directly

[latent moss]

PLEASE

[reef glade]

cs procs recklessness

[nova marsh]

See I'd love that

[reef glade]

or die

[latent moss]

NOT A SINGLE CD WE HAVE DOES ANYTHING

[nova marsh]

but IFK died

Because of haste buffs on demo and bs

[upper sparrow]

[latent moss]

its all just dmg increases its so boring

crushing combo i guess

[nova marsh]

yes but

CC is boring

[pulsar frost]

did you see my ping

[nova marsh]

hell ya know what

[pulsar frost]

are you proud of me :D

[upper sparrow]

bladestorm is fun but I want it to go BRRRRR instead of brr

[pulsar frost]

and he never repplies back :(

[stable sapphire]

@stable fiber bro I completley missed a warbreaker somehow in p3

[latent moss]

i mean its insane rn

[stable sapphire]

its just fucking missed lmao

[latent moss]

it does a lot of damage

[upper sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[stable fiber]

wait like

it got parried

[pulsar frost]

its like your most damage ability, espically in keys

[stable fiber]

or ranged

[stable sapphire]

ranged I guess

[reef glade]

gg

[nova marsh]

Always proud of warriors who parse 99s

I love seeing that

not even a bit I really do

[pulsar frost]

the fury kill parse was so bad i dont even wanna think about it ever again

[latent moss]

u do 0 dmg outside of it

from like 2 slayer keys ive done xd

[pulsar frost]

not wrong at all

i agree

[nova marsh]

reap needs a buff so bad man

[pulsar frost]

dont really vibe with it base on the 2 keys ive done

but folks like funky loves the slayer change but he plays fury so shrug

[pulsar frost]

it has to lock in tomorrow tho i wanna keep the 99

[stable fiber]

idk i just kinda went nuclear on my kill pull

[upper sparrow]

nothing else does damage tho

[nova marsh]

did u do it after bug fix?

[stable fiber]

procced like crazy

[stable sapphire]

yea I think you just need a good p1/intermission

I legit did tank dam in intermission lmao

idk why

[pulsar frost]

idk when bug was fixed, but it was done sometime earlier tonight on the ping

[stable fiber]

my p1 was insane though

[reef glade]

khaz also spoonfed by bugged execute dw...

smh...

bug abusing to victory...

[stable fiber]

i wanted to play

the p1 funnel build

but then fob was bugged

wcyd

[reef glade]

think 0 chance spamming cleave is any more boss dmg

[stable sapphire]

lol true he had juggernaut talented somehow

[reef glade]

than just.. hitting boss

[stable fiber]

i think

you are WRONG

[reef glade]

minus 1 talent point for p1

[latent moss]

hello my name is fervor of battle

[reef glade]

yea ik saying even that

put the mortal strike in the bag

ur bladestorming 90% of add lifetime anyway

what can you even cleave

[stable fiber]

my p1 boss damage was almost always higher even with bugged fob in p1

[minor gust]

what are you talking about avatar increases our dmg by 20%

[latent moss]

i think kha was delaying bs

[minor gust]

[stable fiber]

i was yes

i was delaying bladestorm to cleave off the crystals

[latent moss]

can we go back to

[vale gorge]

Arm really do low damage in ST-raid... my 80 is à 50 for à frostmage

[stable fiber]

it wasnt for crystal damage it was purely for boss damage

[latent moss]

i hit boss arms

[proper atlas]

yo

[latent moss]

and do nothing but hit boss

[proper atlas]

anyone feel more rage starved ?

[reef glade]

pmuch all the time yea

in execute tho mostly

[stable fiber]

how much dps loss is this bug fix tho

btw

[reef glade]

if its prolonged too much

[latent moss]

swordish did some napkin math

[reef glade]

i like napkin mathed like 25-30% loss on deep wounds but i could just be wrong

would be worth more on lura tho

[latent moss]

sounds big on lura

[reef glade]

double dmg in p3 with like 2x as many executes

[empty sluice]

Thats a lot

[stable fiber]

its a lot yes

[latent moss]

enjoy ur r1 forever kha

cause we are NOT getting compensated

[reef glade]

until they buff warr by 10% in 5 weeks

cluegi

[stable fiber]

ez

[latent moss]

[stable fiber]

the thing is

someone else has to get the same RNG as me or better RNG

[empty sluice]

Yea buff by 10 so they can nerf it by 15 2w later

[stable fiber]

in a nerfed state

[reef glade]

bugged deep wounds aside 70% crit exe still disgusting

[stable fiber]

not a chance in hell

[slate grail]

they will give 5% max they are clueless

[reef glade]

tho i mean more raid dmg buff also taken into account on log psure

12% more dmg on the raid by the end

surely you push p3 right at 35% or close to it

much more of your lust/pot time is during exe

climb way higher/faster

[stable fiber]

idk the longer kill times might have better parses on this boss

[latent moss]

imagine s3 df arms there..

[stable fiber]

btw

spend way more time inside a damage amp

[empty sluice]

I miss that time

[stable fiber]

arms isnt really known for being a p1-p2 boss destoryer

[reef glade]

yea i mean prolly depends mostly on who has/uses cds like right as phase ends... but not sure like ur p3 peak would be so much higher if u were in exe phase right away in lust pot

but maybe like only 2 min or less in p3 vs like 2:30 or something

[stable fiber]

with 12% damage though im sure someone will catch up

ill just beat it again next week who cares

[reef glade]

cluegi

rekill beloren without vantus

[stable fiber]

ill play the fob build

do 150k boss dps in p1

deadge

[reef glade]

lura?

or bird

[stable fiber]

lura

[reef glade]

[stable fiber]

its weird

the cleave build does less crystal dps

[latent moss]

yeah cause slayer aoe is bladestorm

[stable fiber]

well if you hit reap procs its prob more

the 20% chance tho

egregious proc rate

[latent moss]

no way its more

bs is so insane

[latent moss]

its so bad

slayer feels so shit on aoe

[minor gust]

yeah you aint getting those reap procs to beat out BS

if they want no reap MS then reap needs big dmg and proc chance buff

so its at least real in aoe

[empty sluice]

Double the proc rate during cs

[sharp sequoia]

Is good solar prism ?

[empty sluice]

Its decent

[sharp sequoia]

What are bis?

[nova marsh]

Heart from raid is better

[sharp sequoia]

Is it bad to use them together?

why am I using them together. My prism is mythic and my heart in heroic 👍🏻

but I don't know if I'm making the right choice

[pulsar frost]

both of them are fine together

[latent moss]

its good ye

[pulsar frost]

critcake uses them together at times

but he has mythic gaze now so probably not anymore

[latent moss]

ideally u get heart on mythic and mythic gaze

or mythic guidon

for colo m+

if u want to bother with an on use

[minor gust]

or you somehow get mythic plume

[pulsar frost]

i wanted heart but i got mythic guidon from vault

[minor gust]

[pulsar frost]

its very noice

im a big guidon fan

[sharp sequoia]

Ok thank you guys!

[pulsar frost]

at least for col, slayer kinda meh with it

[latent moss]

it owns

[pulsar frost]

hella helps with demo stacks

[minor gust]

Slayer doesnt have a good cd to send it with

[sharp sequoia]

but if I reach the cap or critically exceed it, do I get a penalty?

[minor gust]

YO GUIDON FOR FASTER BS TECH

[latent moss]

what cap

[pulsar frost]

would it tho

[minor gust]

Haste makes BS go faster

[nova marsh]

Bro

[pulsar frost]

i mean generally you wanan bind trinket to avatar/cs then bladestorrm

[nova marsh]

Heart of wind proc

[pulsar frost]

anyways

[nova marsh]

+demo

In lust

[pulsar frost]

so like doesnt really chagne much

[nova marsh]

Fucking peak

SWISH SWISH PHONK

[stable fiber]

1:30 trinket for a 1 min spec

[pulsar frost]

try guidon lol

even better

[stable fiber]

rather just use puzzlebox

[nova marsh]

If only

[latent moss]

ye i would not use guidon

as slayer

[nova marsh]

we had a static CD at 1:30

[pulsar frost]

i dont play much slayer in general so

[latent moss]

i used it as slayer for a bit

but now got myth gaze and myth heart so

and its only hc

gg

[pulsar frost]

i would use heart if i can get it on mythic

but you gotta use what you have so its mythic gaze and guidon

[latent moss]

i was sending it with cs+bs usually

[stable fiber]

i cant wait to rekill paladins

free rank 1 >?!!?!?!

[latent moss]

i cant wait to rekill first 3 with actual gear

[sharp sequoia]

If I exceed a certain critical % threshold, do I receive a penalty? Or can I raise it as much as I want?

[latent moss]

and its a pug so

i can just ignore shit

imagine being in a guild and ur rl tells u to focus big add on salhadaar and u cant hit boss cause ur tanks are monkeys

xaaxaxax

[nova marsh]

are frirst 3 mythic that easy

[latent moss]

kinda

imperator is fre

[pulsar frost]

youre almost never really reaching it

[nova marsh]

Is vor free?

[latent moss]

vorasius might take a couple pulls

salhadaar idk

does nothing

its legit heroic

[pulsar frost]

imp is so fun man

[latent moss]

tbf all 3 are legit heroic

[pulsar frost]

col just slaps

[minor gust]

was memeing

[latent moss]

ye i played slayer and sat on boss

[pulsar frost]

my bait rader is low tonight

[hybrid needle]

The biggest issue youll run in vorasius is that people cant count to 3

[stable fiber]

"lets check in on the rank 1 log on crown of the cosmos"

is this ethical

[pulsar frost]

i dont speak arcane mage

[nova marsh]

what the fuck

[pulsar frost]

explain

[nova marsh]

No

[stable fiber]

totm hit for 20m

[nova marsh]

I don't know arcane

[stable fiber]

1 cast

[nova marsh]

WHAT

[pulsar frost]

idek what totm is

[stable fiber]

totm hit for 30m the entire FIGHT

for context

[nova marsh]

Touch of the magi

[stable fiber]

45 second cd

[pulsar frost]

but like wtf is it and what it do

[latent moss]

on adds or what

[stable fiber]

he was bottom dps the rest of the fight

lol

[latent moss]

W

[stable fiber]

i did this once in one of my heroic pulls on this boss on my mage

let me find it

in shit gear as well

did like 500k dps in p1

[latent moss]

isnt that shit excluded

[stable fiber]

chud spec

[stable fiber]

nope!

[nova marsh]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=321507/touch-of-the-magi It's th

[latent moss]

axaaxaaxaaxax

[nova marsh]

WAIT WHAT

[stable fiber]

or do yuo mean the whole fight

[nova marsh]

HOLY FUCK

[sudden owl]

meanwhile me standing 20 yards away from the boss aiming my obelisk at an add

[nova marsh]

it's mage ES and it did THAT

[sudden owl]

Now that's ethical

[stable fiber]

double dips on damage amps

so

[nova marsh]

...

[stable fiber]

can get some crazy totms

[nova marsh]

Didn't this same thing happen with ES

And they patched it?

[latent moss]

ngl i killed heroic crown lioke week 1

and never again

no point

boss drops fuckall and im not raiding

[stable fiber]

whats ES again

remind me

[latent moss]

execution sentence

ret

[nova marsh]

Ye

[stable fiber]

it probably does as well

[latent moss]

accumulates damage dealt then repeats

[stable fiber]

but mage hits harder

[nova marsh]

It dosen't

They patched it after razageth

[stable fiber]

hmm

[latent moss]

idk how is he doing that even idk crown

[stable fiber]

his totm is 100% double dipping here though

[latent moss]

but u know kha how ret used to have

execution sentence and final reckoning

and es was like pure st

[nova marsh]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-patch-10-0-7-hotfixes-for-april-7th-execution-sentence-change-332382 Yeah this was from a while ago

[stable fiber]

not really i dontlike to interact with ret paladin

[latent moss]

now final reckoning is baked into es

[nova marsh]

I'm surprised touch does the same thing and blizz let's it doubble dip

[latent moss]

and dealing damage to targets affected by final reckoning

all add up to es damage

so ret funnels hard

in cds

[stable fiber]

i want to know how to play every dps spec though by the end of midnight though atleast

so im gonna have to interact with ret at some point

[latent moss]

not hard

1 2 3

1 23

1 2 3

all specs

except warrior for some reason

[stable fiber]

its a bit mroe then that sometimes

to play it optimally

but yeah

[latent moss]

not on surv hunter

no tip? kill command

bomb

raptor

[nova marsh]

That's a nutty goal ngl

Mine is just not to one trick anymore and have knowledge of at least 4 specs

[latent moss]

imagine

[nova marsh]

That I can play to a reaosnable degree

[latent moss]

colo arms

that isnt cbt to play

thats ret

templar

[stable fiber]

im like half way already

[latent moss]

hammer of light is just demolish but its instant

[stable fiber]

war/priest/mage/dk/dh/hunter

[nova marsh]

you aren't wrong honestly

[latent moss]

dk took a while i can imagine

scourge strike death coil

necrotic coil sorry

[minor gust]

Shares the same keybind as wake too. Imagine CS turned into demo after cast

[latent moss]

ye thats what demo should do

so it never desyncs

[nova marsh]

we've been imaging this

since literally

Colo was announced

[minor gust]

that would make colo feel so much better to play

[stable fiber]

you become much better at the game the moment you stop 1 tricking from experience

[minor gust]

if it just worked like wake

[latent moss]

100%

[nova marsh]

Oh yeah I feel like I've improved a ton

Not dying as much, rogue has made me A LOT less greedy

[latent moss]

tbh just swapping off of warrior

makes u realize

[stable fiber]

also makes fotm rerolling easy

[nova marsh]

because rogue made me understand the true price of greed

[latent moss]

damage taken is real

especially assa

[nova marsh]

I'm not FoTM rerolling

[latent moss]

man i was getting fucking destroyed

[wooden lava]

swapping off warrior is like taking a step into a lush green field

[latent moss]

when i played assa in tww s3

i was too used to fury

dont even need defensives

[stable fiber]

well im still gonna be the dps warrior for my guild, but like if i want to have fun ill just play ddh

in reclears and shi

that spec owns

[nova marsh]

If I wonna have fun I think I'll go sub or fury

[stable fiber]

(my ddh is only lvl 83 and its peak)

[nova marsh]

They're fun as off specs ngl

[stable fiber]

"fury"

xdd

[latent moss]

fury xddddd

[nova marsh]

Okay thou

I can't lie

[stable fiber]

its subjective or objective

[nova marsh]

I fucking hate midnight fury

[stable fiber]

one of those words

yup

its trash

[nova marsh]

Like

The core I liked for 6 years is still there

But evreything added for midnight is dogtrash

[latent moss]

thats why i dont like it

been the same for too long idk

[stable fiber]

HOLY SHIT

[nova marsh]

I don't mind that ]

[stable fiber]

a new talent that buffs rampage damage by 10%!!!!!

wtffff!!!!

[nova marsh]

But like

The rampage rage reduction feels so jank

[stable fiber]

the crowd goes mild

[wooden lava]

atp i'm catatonic

[nova marsh]

Rampaging ruin is a neat idea, absoutlely terrible execution

[wooden lava]

THEY NERFED OUR DMG KHAZIX

[nova marsh]

why does Kill or be killed exist in a spec tree

[wooden lava]

U BOARDED THE LAST TRAIN

THEN THEY HOTFIXED DW

[latent moss]

why

did they

remove

iftk

from arms

explain

imagine iftk

[nova marsh]

because BS and Demo haste buff

[latent moss]

with current set

[nova marsh]

Yes I like ITFK better then those

And i'd rather they scrap BS and demo haste

[stable fiber]

i got lucky

[nova marsh]

barely feels impactful compared to IFTK

+The choice node we got that replaced ITFK and blunt is....not great

Tactical edge is so painfully mid and CC is boring

I would've rather just haf IFTK

[stable fiber]

im a big fan of secondaries when you push your cds

instead of just shit like

+30% dmg for 10 seconds

[nova marsh]

ITFK haste in exe felt so good

[latent moss]

100%

[nova marsh]

I really do miss it

[stable fiber]

yup

[latent moss]

haste especially

man imagine if iftk worked properly in s3 df

it was better than tom

if it was full duration with blunt instruments

[stable fiber]

main stat is boring

[sudden owl]

tomb of sargeras or hellfire citadel arms

[stable fiber]

secondaries cool

[wooden lava]

I miss test of might 🙁

[stable fiber]

• damage can be kill if its a lot of + damage

[latent moss]

idk if i agree honestly

in s3 df tom owned

[radiant moon]

Deep Wounds applied by Execute no longer deal double the intended damage.

[latent moss]

cause u would perma overlap it with cs

and u would do infinite dmg

[radiant moon]

heh

[latent moss]

in those overlaps

like i had 700k ms

at like 300k dps in exe

[radiant moon]

we did 2x deep wounds from exe

[nova marsh]

tbh

was that shit even a known bug?

[latent moss]

no

[wooden lava]

can we a get a ToM emote

[nova marsh]

LOL

[stable fiber]

nah

[nova marsh]

Genuinely hilarious

Like there was no way we could tell

[stable fiber]

isnt deep wounds supposed to like be the same dps as execute anyways

[thorn stream]

Now it’s halve

[latent moss]

i wonder

if thats why i was outdpsing my sim

perma

cause i was playing arms wrong

[stable fiber]

yup

[latent moss]

in exe

i was spammign exe

[wooden lava]

idk if it's halved, the real numbers have yet to be determined

[latent moss]

when ure supposed to op <80

[stable fiber]

i just did 3 gcds inbetween every ms even in execute

much simpler way of thinking

[hybrid needle]

Since you slam more than you exeqt it should still be a dps upgrade

[latent moss]

wdym

[hybrid needle]

Deep wounds fix

[nova marsh]

I think we just let the simmers figure that out

and it's an aoe increase anyways

[stable fiber]

as colossus yeah sure

you dont even take deep wounds as colossus

but in ST this is a like

4k dps loss on vorasius for example

4k+

[hybrid needle]

Excuse me ,

[thorn stream]

Slayer catching strays left and right

[hybrid needle]

4k ?

[nova marsh]

again

[stable fiber]

well

if the napkin math turns out to be true

then yeah

[nova marsh]

poor slayer

Evrey S1 it gets strays

[hybrid needle]

What IS the napkin math

[latent moss]

i trust swordish

yellow name skyhold

[hybrid needle]

Youll permanently have wounds up

[stable fiber]

maybe a bit less

[hybrid needle]

Or.. you SHOULD now

[stable fiber]

3k-4k

[reef glade]

i am good at making shit up

[stable fiber]

i feel like you didnt know what the main bug people complained about was

[wooden lava]

based on k6's damage on l'ura the loss there is nasty

[hybrid needle]

Holdon im confusing the wounds again

[reef glade]

but sounds mildly founded

[stable fiber]

it was fob slams not applying deep wounds

not slam itself

[hybrid needle]

Yes

[wooden lava]

fob slam crits right?

[reef glade]

we got buffed on aoe nerfed on st

[stable fiber]

we dont have fob on most raid bosses

[hybrid needle]

I swapped something in my head

[reef glade]

by bug fixes

[latent moss]

W

[reef glade]

same as fury

poggers

[latent moss]

all 4 dps warriors are bottom 10 on st

👍

[reef glade]

well

idk if colo had any chance

but yea slarm slurry and thane probably within like 5k of eachother lol

[latent moss]

colo is competing with guardian druid

[reef glade]

all 100k dps chads

so powerful

[latent moss]

probably losing to guardian druid in m+ build

[nova marsh]

guys is it crazy to say I don't like midnight classes in general

[sudden owl]

surely Friday there is a compensation buff

[reef glade]

idk lock and devoker feel pretty good

[sudden owl]

surely....

[reef glade]

ive always had devoker alt

but rly glad i brought up lock to play occasionally

[stable fiber]

if you look at this window of dps in p3 its easily over 10k dps lost

[reef glade]

shit kinda owns

destro on alleria is so fun

[stable fiber]

EASILY over 10k

[hybrid needle]

I played so much healmonk that i forgot how arms work for a second.
Pressing 3 Buttons does things to me man

[stable fiber]

think more like 15k

[wooden lava]

P3 and P4

shit looked heartbreaking

[reef glade]

the way i think i napkin'd it out is you just count the number of apps of deep wounds from all sources

[stable fiber]

well in this instance

its actually -25k right

cause im not slamming at all

[reef glade]

so number of crits of ms/hs/slam and compare against number of hits period of execute, but the wording makes it sound like each execute did 2 apps of deep wounds instead of 1

[latent moss]

heroic strike i guess

[stable fiber]

hmm

yes indeed

[reef glade]

so yea what 3 hs crits 1 slam crit and 12? ms crits

[stable fiber]

only 3 crits

oh yeah MS

chud button

[reef glade]

like 16 apps of dw from those 3 vs 24 hits of exe

[stable fiber]

ok its a little less then i think overall

[reef glade]

so it SHOULD be 40 apps of DW total but if exe is doubled then its 64 dw apps

so 40/64 is what dw should have done

% wise

[stable fiber]

i see

[reef glade]

like... 60% of original dmg lol

is how i think it makes sense

but again not sure how it really was bugged to begin with

[gentle gyro]

That latest update gotta be ragebait

Too much ST damage

[reef glade]

but so yea 60% of 50k dps is like 30k dps

so minus 20k

[radiant moon]

i mean might have been only ocasionally applying it 2x

[reef glade]

yea idk if its every execute or only sometimes not sure

would be strange if only sometimes

that is also part of what i originally thought is it only doubled when execute crit cuz the other talent is based on apping DW when your other spells crit

[radiant moon]

well hope we dont tank to oblivion on st

[gentle gyro]

We will

[reef glade]

so maybe exe was like included in that talent and it counted both exe as a hit + when it crit

or if its just doubled every hit no matter what not sure

[nova marsh]

God please buff our st

[gentle gyro]

They just forgot about any other ability besides MS

[reef glade]

wonder if u can actually count how much dw gets applied on logs

if that works

[nova marsh]

Buff slam buff ms

[gentle gyro]

They dont care

[reef glade]

or its just 1 app that does double dmg for some reason

[sudden owl]

st is still much higher than some specs even with this nerf ok

like fury

[nova marsh]

Is that even a good comparison

[wooden lava]

the issue is, we won't even have real world numbers until we see some actual testing

napkin math won't even tell us the full story

i'm not reaching p3/p4 for like a week and a half

[latent moss]

ye we just wait for kha to reclaear i guess

[reef glade]

to cast a wide net im assuming its just like between 20-40% less deep wounds damage

[latent moss]

idk who else is playing arms

[reef glade]

higher/lower on fight and rng and shit idk

[latent moss]

0-100%

[reef glade]

me!!!!!

in p1

boss 100x more fun than bird

[latent moss]

play funnel build

[nova marsh]

Hey if u play arms

[reef glade]

aint no way

[stable fiber]

i would say for a execute rotation

[nova marsh]

Ur cute at least

[stable fiber]

this certainly looks a lot lower

gulp

[latent moss]

fuck

[reef glade]

ruh roh

[latent moss]

is that on ptr or

[stable fiber]

live

[latent moss]

is this fix live

[stable fiber]

think its live

right

[latent moss]

ye that does look

[reef glade]

would assume its a bugfix/hotfix yeah

[latent moss]

a lot lower

i cant lie

[radiant moon]

its a hotfix

so its live

we oficially fcked

[gentle gyro]

Fatal Mark just exists there, Reap just exists there, Rend just exists there

All MS

They don't care

[stable fiber]

mostly looking at deep wounds

thats a execute rotation (given without windfury)

but uh

not great

[reef glade]

yea i mean if ur starting from exe only loss way higher

but like avg 5min sim exe only like 30% of fight time

so less impactful

still something

[stable fiber]

my execute on l'ura was 5% higher then overpower

[radiant moon]

in slayer you exe kinda regularly tho

[stable fiber]

now its on par

windfury probably pushes it slightly higher

[latent moss]

sudden death!!!!!!!

[reef glade]

ya its still noticeable but its not like its 50% less deep wounds like that ss kinda makes it look like

ur slamming a lot more above exe

[nova marsh]

ya know dumb question

[reef glade]

slam deep wound good

[nova marsh]

can we even sim this

[stable fiber]

execute yeah

[balmy kindle]

Can blizzard just delete slayer, sick of the RNG

[reef glade]

idk prolly not if it wasnt even in sims in the first place lol

[latent moss]

ye but idk how to find the coefficients

[stable fiber]

it wasnt on sims

[nova marsh]

oh ik it wasn;t

[latent moss]

could do napkin math sim

[reef glade]

or just like say "when exe procs deepwounds proc it twice lol"

[stable fiber]

not a chance

[nova marsh]

cuz we literally didn't know

[stable fiber]

i wanna try some colo now

see how this feels

[latent moss]

bad

its st and its colo

[stable fiber]

nah

on the 5t dummys

see how much deep wounds does

[nova marsh]

Probally a lot

[latent moss]

nah

[nova marsh]

You probally end up with 100% uptime on 2 targ maybe

[latent moss]

people were tweaking over that bug

acting like they were losing 9000000000%

[minor gust]

xD

[nova marsh]

8% is a lot

[gentle gyro]

Are we sure about that?

[reef glade]

the fob bug?

[latent moss]

idk where u got that fishy got 5.5% doing nothing but cleave

o nsims

[reef glade]

it made me very sad wasnt fixed by tuesday for paladins...

[nova marsh]

yes

It was quote regularly at 8%

[radiant moon]

8% of lower st is arguably less than 8% of a higher dps

[gentle gyro]

Yes

[reef glade]

i mean idk im sure depends on target count

8% on 3t maybe but obv less on 5t

which is what i assume most sim at

[gentle gyro]

8% is nothing for dog ass F tier ST

[nova marsh]

yes

I know we have garbage ST

You don't need to keep driving that home

[minor gust]

I always said it was 5%

never 8

[gentle gyro]

Same difference, we got a bigger problem on our hands

Or arms should I say

[reef glade]

[nova marsh]

Are we the last class to get major bugs fixed?

[balmy kindle]

They can probably buff ms by 15% and it won't be op

[gentle gyro]

Fuck MS

Just stop

[balmy kindle]

Please execute hits like a wet noodle now

I literally can't

[nova marsh]

Buff exe and reap

[gentle gyro]

It got buffed like what? Two times?

[nova marsh]

No seriously please buff reap

[gentle gyro]

Still no damage

Or was it OP

[nova marsh]

tbh I'm be honest

at this point I genuinely don't give a fuck what they buff

Just buff us

[radiant moon]

imagine

[balmy kindle]

^^

[radiant moon]

if they buffed rend

like 1000%

[snow pagoda]

wish granted 15% rend impact dmg

[nova marsh]

Fuck it

I'll take it

[gentle gyro]

I am the only bleed enjoyer here

[stable fiber]

certainly not impressive

[gentle gyro]

Everyone hates rend

[radiant moon]

at this point same

[balmy kindle]

Like outside of colo smash our base dmg is laughable

[gentle gyro]

I remember DF S3, dogshit spec but holyy the tierset was good

Like really good

[stable fiber]

i think this is fine ngl

[nova marsh]

Tbh I feel like this is evrey spec

[sudden owl]

there's an impending victory in there we can't trust ur results

[stable fiber]

we have veyr high cs uptime

[nova marsh]

And honestly....I kinda disagree

• high cs uptime too

[balmy kindle]

Yeah thankfully high cs uptine

[nova marsh]

Idk

Maybe it's because I've played frost

And frost might as well fucking afk outside of cds

[stable fiber]

if you buff the base damage too much

[balmy kindle]

But still boss dmg is

[stable fiber]

then the spec becomes pretty damn crazy during cds

which would be chill

i dont mind being insanely strong

[nova marsh]

I think our ST is the main problem

[gentle gyro]

Can we all agree that Colossal Might is severely undertuned?

Especially OP

[nova marsh]

I don't really

CM stacks getting buffed

will not help much

[snow pagoda]

+15% haste in avatar

[nova marsh]

because we dump them p fast

[balmy kindle]

Longer duration, more stacks and it having more multipliers might be nice

Everytime it drops I wanna alt f4

[nova marsh]

Honestly longer duration is actually mandatory

It drops at like evrey fucking boss in keys

[gentle gyro]

At least make the apex talent buff not depleatable idk, I am running out of ideas

[stable fiber]

should be same duration as the BS stacks

[gentle gyro]

They don't care anyways what we propose

[latent moss]

should just

not fall off

at all

infinite duration

[stable fiber]

well idk

you can prepull it

xdd

so

[balmy kindle]

Agreed

[latent moss]

colossal might?

you cant

[gentle gyro]

Well my wording was bad

[stable fiber]

pretty sure i have

[latent moss]

or are u talking about heroic might

[gentle gyro]

That's what I meant

[stable fiber]

oh

[balmy kindle]

It's not even that op even on infinite duration

[gentle gyro]

Master of Warfare

[latent moss]

u can heroic might

[stable fiber]

im getting them mixed up

they sound the same

[snow pagoda]

time for Storm of Swords to make its return decouple Whirlwind and Cleave

[stable fiber]

that can stay dead

[nova marsh]

Honsetly both CM and MoW for the buff portion should be infinite duration

[nova marsh]

na I'm okay with storm ty

[gentle gyro]

Basically HM and MoW go hand in hand is what I meant

[latent moss]

waiter waiter

more buttons that serve no purpose!!!!

[nova marsh]

na

Cleave replacing WW is genuinely good

[snow pagoda]

you dont want to spend 80 rage on whirlwind and go afk?

[stable fiber]

WHAT DOES HE EVEN DO????

[balmy kindle]

[latent moss]

youd be surprised

for slayer

if it procced reap

[stable fiber]

COLOSSUS TALENT

BTW

[sudden owl]

hey what if we made arms whirlwind do no damage but then they could take a talent named after a classic ability that is functionally clunkier than the classic ability and it replaced whirlwind and did damage

[latent moss]

ye idk

[minor gust]

WW was able to proc reap on ptr for like 2 weeks

[latent moss]

why do we have to talenti nto everytihng

[gentle gyro]

AI model is still learning

[latent moss]

whereas for other classes

[gentle gyro]

Oopsie

[latent moss]

i cant figure out what spells they have

cause they talent into 2 spells and 1 cooldown

while we talent into everytihng

and those 2 spells are at the top

[minor gust]

imagine if Ret pally or FDK had to talent into Divine storm/Frost scythe in the tier 2 section

[latent moss]

fdk used to

idk anymore

[nova marsh]

I'm P sure you still have to talent into frost scythe

[gentle gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/aries-spears-gif-4164774487460129682

Atp just nuke the whole spec

[minor gust]

Scythe was optional before fdk rework

[nova marsh]

But like not really

[minor gust]

then they made scythe a main aoe button

[nova marsh]

I mean man

we've been on our knees

BEGGING

For a rework

Since dragonflight

[gentle gyro]

They don't care, or they don't read

[latent moss]

need to cook new imgur and make wow forums post

[radiant moon]

meanwhile mm got like

[sudden owl]

really went downhill when they put overpower back in the game that was BFA right

[radiant moon]

3-4 reworks

since then

[stable fiber]

i fw overpower

slam can go though

[sudden owl]

tomb of sargeras arms was peak

no op there

[nova marsh]

I swear

Evreyone hates evrey button arms has

[minor gust]

Arms rework MS gives us OP charges and CS goes back to tactician and we get a new main STATIC CD

long imgur

[gentle gyro]

Do they have designated people for each class or is it just a small team that does everything?

[stable fiber]

mop rework

holy

[nova marsh]

ya know what

sure

I'd fw that

[sudden owl]

hellfire citadel was also good

[balmy kindle]

For a spec who's theme is master of weapons, our skills certainly don't reflect that

[sudden owl]

I just want to sweep giant executes onto the boss from adds is that too much to ask

[latent moss]

hello imgur

i think they should just make slam nuclear on a proc