Wouldn't meta just swap to aug + demo and you wouldn't get invites anyway 💀
#arms
vapid pine
slow saddle
Agreed
dim basalt
Someones malding
hasty pumice
hasty pumice
Someones malding
bro I've been trying to get into an MC20 for 11h+ now
I'm not getting a single invite
hasty pumice
cba
slow saddle
It did
abstract sphinx
should i go nxt life?
hasty pumice
eyy can u show your overall habilities order dmg?
wdym
hardy crown
this but in m+
hasty pumice
this was seat 20
dim basalt
If you set details to overall damage ye
hardy crown
ty
dim basalt
this was seat 20
Didnt even tp out to spec Slayer for last boss
hardy crown
i have 266 and i do 100k overall in m+ pretty shitty xD my dh was doing 150 with same ilvl
slow saddle
this was seat 20
Buff ms!
slow saddle
i have 266 and i do 100k overall in m+ pretty shitty xD my dh was doing 150 with...
That is tuning
hardy crown
That is tuning
im doing 19s with main and want to playt war arms seems funny i started yday with war
umbral linden
this was seat 20
at least i feel human with functioning hands now, ty
because looking at biz numbers while pugging 15 made me feel like a genetic failure
slow saddle
at least i feel human with functioning hands now, ty
because looking at biz numb...
Biz does planned funnel routes
hasty pumice
context matters a lot for arms
dim basalt
^
hasty pumice
tank and routes heavily decide how much DPS you are allowed to pump
slow saddle
With tanks that actually stack shit well so u essily hit with cleavr
slow saddle
I bet
dim basalt
What a world we live it that Arms is one of the harder specs
latent moss
dont have to worry about buff number 9344
falling off
between packs
shit aligning
just send wake on cd doesnt matter where as long as it aligns with wings
umbral linden
actually lvling ret as alt, xd
inland drift
please just
daaamn
umbral linden
just brainless boom boom, especially in default templar build
latent moss
its kinda like slayer in terms of sd vs art
but art is a lot more impactful
man when that shit procs
in aoe
idk templar ret just feels like
more fleshed out arms
which is why i like it i guess
flat willow
Didnt even tp out to spec Slayer for last boss
is that really a strat
dim basalt
is that really a strat
ye
latent moss
ye
dim basalt
The rp is so long that youre not losing time
flat willow
wintry dome
lmao
dim basalt
Biz did that in +21
sudden owl
man we're gonna get like a 30% buff to fury or something and my stats are gonna go from perfect to trash
latent moss
stats in big 26
flat willow
man we're gonna get like a 30% buff to fury or something and my stats are gonna ...
yeah don't worry
sudden owl
Ya I have 400 mastery bro pretty sure that's bad for fury
dim basalt
I hope Fury stays in the bin
wintry dome
"you have shout you are fine"
sudden owl
Also can't help but notice warrior isn't on the bug fix list from yesterday
umbral linden
noticed that ret hammer was % of dmg to target and now it is % from funnel
give smth like this to arms and ill cave some boss' head in
flat willow
weird huh
slow saddle
Arms just rly need more st
In both m+ and raid
Id take more gen st for reduced funnel
latent moss
noticed that ret hammer was % of dmg to target and now it is % from funnel
give ...
arms has
more funnel
its just not as obvious as ret with new es
umbral linden
idk, i personally feel like arms falls off regularly because of some conceptual flaw
all meta and sub-meta specs have (imo) lots of inner interactions and "buttons within buttons", while we have like fervor (BUGGED XD) and sweep +-
latent moss
outside of es ret funnels with what
flat willow
arms already lost some funnel with deepwound ( it's never getting fixed )
latent moss
more art procs due to crusading strikes hitting more
umbral linden
more funnel
need more
latent moss
targets
umbral linden
gimme
damage numbers i yearn for them
arms is unstable, its position in meta almost always depends on some random tuning swings
latent moss
i mean
flat willow
I mean, that's everyone
flat willow
well everyone that isn't blizzard's chosen spec
dim basalt
Maybe instead of reworking MM for the 8th time in a row we will get something next patch
umbral linden
idk, dont feel like this about dh now, or unholy in tww
vast helm
adds mortal wounds back to BS and Ravager.
flat willow
well yeah, dh is the brand new spec
umbral linden
they always feel like they can do smth
flat willow
and blizzard devs started playing death knight
umbral linden
while arms can flop from top 5 to worst 2 in the span of like a week
latent moss
thing is ye
flat willow
usually it's at the start of the expansion
latent moss
uhdk is just a very noob friendly spec
u dont need to worry about melee uptime
ur rotation is 2 buttons
its cool visually and lore wise
flat willow
it feels like every start of an expansion, blizzard puts a 20% nerf on mortal strike for fun
umbral linden
its cool visually and lore wise
true
latent moss
the vast majority of the playerbase plays them/wants to play them
latent moss
not sure how long it will stay fun
i loved thane fury
until i did 10 keys
then it just became insanely boring
flat willow
well you don't spam putrefy as much as you spam thunderclap so I don't think it will become a problem
latent moss
also i retract all of my previous statements about ret being ranged
umbral linden
also, as a returning retail player, was it always like this?
from my perspective (whole tww and midnight s1) blizz always skyrocketing some caster spec to damn heavens and refusing to tune it
latent moss
no aa = no art
gg
funny how survival
is just perma underrated
cause no one plays it
cause its melee hunter
umbral linden
demo literally is 20k-ish away from upper half of specs and few thousands from place 2
latent moss
wild how all 4 dps warriors
vapid pine
It used to be worse tbh
latent moss
are here
archi said he was gonna uncomment something to make dps warriors appear here
dim basalt
cause no one plays it
tbf you need bit different gear for raid and m+
latent moss
latent moss
what the helly
vapid pine
Also bonus rolls and wep RNG is worse since you can loot both, old fury but without option to put arms loot spec 💀
vapid pine
YEP because blizz still can't put proper rppm on weapon hit procs for some reason
Same with Outlaw that wants specifically dagger offhand due to procs, and specifically not dagger mainhand due to weapon damage
Kinda cringe tbh
echo plume
probably wont be fixed ever
charred brook
that will probably be a bug for like the next 2 expansions
latent moss
charred brook
that we grow to live with
left shard
Great
dim basalt
A true warrior is used to it
dark onyx
Is the second target hits of sweeping strikes based on main targets distance or your distance from them?
sturdy matrix
Is the second target hits of sweeping strikes based on main targets distance or ...
Your distance
dark onyx
tyvm!
cold kestrel
this shit of having rage starvation and having all your skills blue, waiting to get rage to press them shouldn't be a game mechanic. we in 2026, dafuq is this
lol
bright grove
yes, good class design
gentle gyro
this shit of having rage starvation and having all your skills blue, waiting to ...
Meanwhile devourer go 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 2
radiant moon
this shit of having rage starvation and having all your skills blue, waiting to ...
classic era sht where u auto auto spell aint ur jam?
while no other classses really get to care
im not saying make us have no resource
but also dont make us have no resource
vapid spire
Do we get some changes today ?
vapid pine
rain fiber
how would you feel if MS didn't reset, but hit harder and Overpower was a bigger builder for both rage and a buff for MS? I remember it was like this way back
It wouldn't be radically different but having a 5s window where you have to buff your MS would make more sense in both flavour and gameplay, something like: OP -> OP -> Slam (Filler) -> MS
I personally think reacting to procs doesn't make sense for Arms based on class fantasy since it's supposed to be a slower and harder hitting spec. Having as many casts of MS as OP is weird.
umbral linden
sometimes i really want arms to become such a useless spec, that even blizz will make some conclusions
gloomy oak
Warrior in general
latent moss
how would you feel if MS didn't reset, but hit harder and Overpower was a bigger...
whats how sl arms played
gloomy oak
Prot keeps us relevant
latent moss
ye but its tuned around it
dim basalt
Is it though
rain fiber
whats how sl arms played
I didn't play SL, but I remember BFA was basically like this
gloomy oak
As a class
latent moss
in sl every ms giga fucked
dim basalt
TWW was also kind of like it was described above
Except that MS did no damage baseline
rain fiber
I think the whole concept of Arms is built around MS being your huge button, just like rampage is for Fury. The difference is that on Fury you are supposed to get as many casts as possible, but in Arms you have a limited ammount based on time, however you have a window between each cast to buff it
umbral linden
TWW was also kind of like it was described above
do i even need to remind yall that notable portion of arms' damage was coming from class talent
jc, imagine putting ddh's collapsing star or smth inside a class tree
rain fiber
right now I think it's a weird spec that plays faster than it should, because that's how proc specs work
umbral linden
midnight done +- good for arms imo, but i think some rework is needed still
wide apex
I like colossus now. Slayer in raid without battlelord has me in shambles.
ToS arms was fun but idk if that was mostly tuning
rain fiber
I remember Legion Arms being good in ToS, but I don't exactly remember why it was fun
wide apex
Why bother lmao
hasty pumice
Why bother lmao
idk
dim basalt
Gotta get that sweet 20 resil
umbral linden
i hate avatar, why it is still in arms? when i saw some beta/ptr changes, where arms was stripped of avatar, that was good
imo after apex tals avatar should be just thane's (prot/fury)
dim basalt
But thats prob peak of what you can pug no?
wide apex
Think the only way to have a good time pugging high m+ is to enjoy waiting in queue or playing any of the bottlenecked specs
viscid fossil
how can you hate a %dmg cd
dim basalt
Invites arent that bad as Arms in higher keys
viscid fossil
like what
viscid fossil
peoples opinions is why this class is so fucking lame
dim basalt
And the only solution is to keep them all according to you?
We absolutely dont lose anything by removing Avatar
And the same goes for Rav
vapid pine
Avatar just proccing from pressing CS making me big would be fun and not insane tbh
wide apex
bladestorm is the worst by far
Bladestorm would be fine if it cranked and was infrequent. Just afking for a bit and doing nothing much isnt it
viscid fossil
bladestorm would be fineish for some random procs, not your main cd the spec revolves around
"go hard"
what does it d
do
dim basalt
Different model + actually make the shaman strong in different ways
viscid fossil
hushed pine
neon shale
Huh
cedar tangle
after 12.0.5, how's arms doing on mythic raids?
frank wing
As a bad player, I appreciate bladestorm. It's a couple seconds to fix my positioning because I'm bad.
slow saddle
peoples opinions is why this class is so fucking lame
Nah
Problem is an advanced dmg profile
leaden garnet
after 12.0.5, how's arms doing on mythic raids?
Mediocre single target, fourth highest on paladins
neon shale
after 12.0.5, how's arms doing on mythic raids?
Was doing a pig without a shaman and was most miserable experience of my life
cedar tangle
its possible to run arms on all bosses, or should i stick fury for some?
rain fiber
I'd rather have 1 CD button instead of having 2 bad ones (Avatar and Ravager)
I think a good CD needs to make sense for what the spec does, so a good CD for arms needs to buff MS somehow too. I think something like "you are able to press MS back-to-back for X ammount of casts, plus a damage amp" would be great for the spec and make you feel like you crank. Plus you can have something that actually does ST damage. I doesn't need to be this exact thing, but it does need to play into the spec.
Avatar is a 20% damage amp and interacts with nothing, it's too luckewarm gameplay wise. I think most classes have buttons that give you free spenders or increase your resource generation or give you access to new abilities.
neon shale
Pug *
viscid fossil
As a bad player, I appreciate bladestorm. It's a couple seconds to fix my positi...
you know what, best assesment ever. its a comfy ability but in no way "fun". people measure "FUN" about how high they are on the meter after doing literally nothing
gentle gyro
Remove Ravager
rain fiber
Recklesness is at least more thematic and flavourful considering it gives a rage reduction
manic marlin
its possible to run arms on all bosses, or should i stick fury for some?
you can play arms on everything
slow saddle
I'd rather have 1 CD button instead of having 2 bad ones (Avatar and Ravager)
I...
Tbf all this
frank wing
Ravager never feels good because of ravager. If they replaced it with 'cleave go boom' and took out the spinny axe, I'd be fine with it.
slow saddle
If we were thane as arms
safe tundra
its possible to run arms on all bosses, or should i stick fury for some?
If you’re not in a top 50 guild you can play whatever you want
slow saddle
Ravager never feels good because of ravager. If they replaced it with 'cleave go...
Tbf just remove talent add it passively 2 avatar
slow saddle
If you’re not in a top 50 guild you can play whatever you want
That is not true at all
cedar tangle
you can play arms on everything
mostly slayer or colossus?
dim basalt
Ravager never feels good because of ravager. If they replaced it with 'cleave go...
They might as well just bake it into cs with a node and reduce the buff from 50 to 20
manic marlin
mostly slayer or colossus?
slayer on everything aside from paladins and dragons, you can colossus 1st boss for pad aswell if you want
cedar tangle
ive did dogshit dmg as slayer lol, like 70k on averzian
slow saddle
Even dragons u prob can slayer?
safe tundra
That is not true at all
It definitely is lmao
slow saddle
Nah
safe tundra
Other than on paladinslop
slow saddle
Coz like a sub 1k guild
strange comet
Even dragons u prob can slayer?
If your team isn't going to stack them close enough yes
slow saddle
Ppl suck
safe tundra
And even then it really doesn’t mayter
viscid fossil
giving MS some extra love and 10% and calling it differently and add some blood to the thumbnail would probably solve a lot but it probably wont affect your rotation anyway
dim basalt
Swoop is right but lots of guilds dont actually let people play what they want
slow saddle
Arms rotation isnt bad
safe tundra
Ppl suck
You’re just proving my point. At that rank it doesn’t matter as long as you’re good at whichever you play
wind hatch
Swoop is right but lots of guilds dont actually let people play what they want
even frozenbozo was forced to prog fury last tier 😢
dim basalt
I mean Khazix is progging Lura on Arms lol
slow saddle
You’re just proving my point. At that rank it doesn’t matter as long as you’re g...
Well lets put it like this
If u care for prog
safe tundra
Whichever you have more fun on or are better at, you’re gonna do better on
slow saddle
Theres deffo better classes
safe tundra
Unless you’re top of the top guilds
frank wing
If you're not being allowed to play whatever you want, you need to get better at talking shit to your raid.
safe tundra
Theres deffo better classes
Ok then everyone here should just reroll dev dh then
Lmao
slow saddle
Ok then everyone here should just reroll dev dh then
I mean it would make raid easier
rain fiber
I would cut rend from arms too, makes no sense to give a spec built around MS procs, HS procs and such a DoT to maintain. It's like mixing 2 different flavours and it hasn't worked
viscid fossil
yet people mainly comlain about cds bc they dont line well
slow saddle
I would cut rend from arms too, makes no sense to give a spec built around MS pr...
Id rather give rend purpose
slow saddle
Weve had rend for 2 long
safe tundra
Swoop is right but lots of guilds dont actually let people play what they want
Yeah that shit is cringe
viscid fossil
ravage is fine too, you are just too lazy to track it
safe tundra
Like unless it’s a crazy gap between the two specs, it doesn’t matter
gentle gyro
You don't know me
frank wing
I agree adding a small amount of bleeds/dots feels weird. I wish they'd make one of the specs revolve around DOTs more. That'd be fun.
slow saddle
Ravager is just sucky coz of cdr
viscid fossil
true im baiting
rain fiber
Arms used to be a dot spec, but it wasn't really loved, in hindsight it played well on BFA but it doesn't make sense fantasy wise
wind hatch
its literally just cleave dmg amp rn lol
viscid fossil
its a bit too braindead for that idk
vast helm
adds mortal wounds back to BS and Ravager and SKS back we burst on ST and aoe.
viscid fossil
i kinda like how arms plays apart from rage starvation, but all the dmg coming from cleave is kinda dumb
gentle gyro
Fine, leave it as a cleave damage amp, but for the love of god make it align with the rest
Make it bladestorm 2.0
slow saddle
Fine, leave it as a cleave damage amp, but for the love of god make it align wit...
Passive on avatar tbh
Like its that easy
Still think col shouldsa gotten unhinged
slow saddle
And slayer just had bladestorm fuck
steep escarp
If it’s passive on avatar then we just take a neutered bladestorm and we all complain about that
So idk how that makes much sense
rain fiber
I think they could give some of cleave's damage to MS as a funnel (although I think everything has funnel now), something like if "Cleave hit's 3 or more characters, it gives a % amp up to Y ammount of characters" so Cleave builds into MS somehow, and it would make you a good spec to bring for certain dungeons
slow saddle
Tbh
rain fiber
idk why but modern design is "give funnel"
steep escarp
U need 2 take
I see what you mean now. Basically a avatar follow up talent that auto places it
covert patrol
ravager should be a minime that bladestorms
viscid fossil
idk why but modern design is "give funnel"
easy way to design for m+ and raid
slow saddle
easy way to design for m+ and raid
Funnel doenst work well in raid
viscid fossil
exactly
wraith lichen
ravager should be a minime that bladestorms
slow saddle
So no
viscid fossil
but it gives you potential, nobody cares about pugs
rain fiber
it's not about how horrid it is, it's about how Blizzard designs
viscid fossil
i think its a factor, it adds skill ceiling
covert patrol
just go full wc3 blademaster
sweeping strikes = mirror image
ravager = mirror image bladestorm
wraith lichen
just go full wc3 blademaster
sweeping strikes = mirror image
ravager = mirror i...
I’m down for this as long as they aren’t actual pets like previous ww
slow saddle
Prob 2 magical
viscid fossil
for good groups, without necesarrily affecting the ST ranking everybody takes as a basis for crying and dooming
rain fiber
You don't like it, it's ok, but it doesn't change the fact that classes have typically been viable because they were given funnel too
covert patrol
yea i dont want to control anything it would just look cool
viscid fossil
bro they should just buff SS. make it hit more and more targets
slow saddle
I mean arms is mainly bad coz our st is simply horrid
gentle gyro
Give us +40% ST and we are S++ in m+
viscid fossil
ship it
slow saddle
Give us +40% ST and we are S++ in m+
Give is 10/20k
We nearing it
And we should do that much imho
gentle gyro
And we should do that much imho
It just one season bro, let us
slow saddle
Ideally via nerfing cleave
viscid fossil
maan
slow saddle
Rebuffim op // dreadnaugh
slow saddle
I mean usually fury // arms has high st poyential
viscid fossil
like does everyone need to be a multitool
slow saddle
Ddh
gentle gyro
arms being goat on aoe with a heavy drawback on ST is okay
Make it apply to the rest of S tier specs
Why some specs can have it all
viscid fossil
just bc their game design ideas are shit doesnt mean ours have to be
slow saddle
Survival
I mean i do agree
But for raid
This is an issue
In m+ its fineish
In raid its 15-20% 2 low
Take paladins
How are we not clearly nr 1
We sre build for 2t // 3t
viscid fossil
of course it is, i dont get it either. it would be fine to divide classes like that but the playerbase is too bad on average to learn different specs for different purposes
esp on those wheelchair classes you mentioned
slow saddle
Ret and dk?
rain fiber
I mean, it mostly comes down to CD's in DK's case. If it pop's CD's it fucks in AOE and ST, but that's because their CD's are custom built around their spec, it buffs specific areas. But for Warrior it's like nothing, I would say only Ravager feels more targeted and that's because it buffs cleave.
slow saddle
Its dmg profile
rain fiber
It's not just tuning imo
slow saddle
Arms requires morr
fervent cedar
you can not fuck it up
You underestimate the playerbases ability to play like shit
viscid fossil
xd
slow saddle
20% rage 20 % ms
viscid fossil
arms is so much harder believe it or not
slow saddle
It is
viscid fossil
which would warrant a fat buff but here we are
gaunt wigeon
We'll only get what Claude Opus decides to give us.
fervent cedar
Its tough, it would be nice to be more well rounded but at the same time people also like being specialists and having a niche
And we do really good aoe
candid kindle
Raiding this tier has been nothing but a let down
viscid fossil
blizzard just hates the classic warrior class bc it doesnt fit into a world off spellflinging furries and scalies
un4ch
candid kindle
M+ feels fine, but raiding feels awful
fervent cedar
Agreed
viscid fossil
as a returning player, i dont like the raid on warrior
vanguard is cool
but i cant really compare with previous tiers
candid kindle
but i cant really compare with previous tiers
It feels worse
noble sonnet
being a raid buff gives me a free spot sometimes XD
fervent cedar
I can, being a warrior this tier is depressing unless youre prot
Cool we are good on one fight, so what
There's 8 other fights
candid kindle
being a raid buff gives me a free spot sometimes XD
Being reduced to that is one of the reasons i hate this tier
viscid fossil
but i mean like actual fun fight where the toolkit matches, a lot of people define fun by placement on meter. which is a factor ofc
viscid fossil
being a raid buff gives me a free spot sometimes XD
man so many 30man groups and im the only warrior
noble sonnet
is warrior execute phase still good? i never did the math on that. adds another niche
candid kindle
is warrior execute phase still good? i never did the math on that. adds another ...
Its meh
noble sonnet
RiP
gentle gyro
EP sounds good on paper
nova marsh
I just hope we get wow 2.0 after the last titan
Tbh I think thats way too much to ask
From any company
ashen trout
Have folks figured out if it’s worth cleaving on 2T? Or is it more efficient to just slam/op, originally I was sending cleave when I had 3 CD stacks but I know there was some discussion on it?
fair gust
I mean execute phase is nice and all - and yes we rise - but its not THAT much....feels disapointing
nova marsh
Especially a small indie company
Na
Like seriously
They'd have to leave wow in limbo for years
We'd probably have zero wow content till 2035 if they made a sequel
vapid spire
Isnt it what they're already doing ?
nova marsh
I mean also
Gotta point out
If there was a wow 2 even being talked about seriously
I doubt blizzard wouldve touched their backend lol
viscid fossil
it would be the next expansion except its called wow 2.0
viscid fossil
yeah dont give them options to come up with ideas
vapid spire
Shit has been a buggy mess with no content for a while now
viscid fossil
their devs are fucking clueless
vale warren
Any tips for getting into keys? My mythic score is 2.1k and I already have successful clears on the dungeons im trying to group for… no one likes arms it seems
wraith lichen
Any tips for getting into keys? My mythic score is 2.1k and I already have succe...
Do ur own key
vapid spire
"Yeah do M+" We've been doing M+ since Legion they gotta bring something else to the table at some point
nova marsh
I mean in terms of endgame delves did 🤷♂️
vapid spire
This not even endgame
vale warren
Maybe my ilvl is “too low”? I’m 268 I think trying to queue for +10 +11
noble sonnet
Have folks figured out if it’s worth cleaving on 2T? Or is it more efficient to ...
I been doing it with collateral damage stacks. can math it out when servers back up
vapid spire
in WW Delves was shit
viscid fossil
i mean thats the core business and thats fine. theres only so much you can do in a game. it would open completely new class designs thoi
nova marsh
This not even endgame
Compared to what casuals had before for end game?
Also tf u mean they were shit
vapid spire
Oh yeah do something else than M+ for a shitty reward
nova marsh
In midnight theyre shit because at least tww delves had banger trinkets
ashen trout
I been doing it with collateral damage stacks. can math it out when servers back...
That would be sick as f ty twin
vapid spire
Also tf u mean they were shit
Max reward was champion
noble sonnet
Maybe my ilvl is “too low”? I’m 268 I think trying to queue for +10 +11
im 265 and just pushing my own key and having a great time. lfg is a nightmare unless ur 280+
nova marsh
For people who dont do raid or m+
viscid fossil
Maybe my ilvl is “too low”? I’m 268 I think trying to queue for +10 +11
yeah thats not great. its enough for the content but a lot of people only do 10s so hosters have a lot higher ilvl options
i noticed that getting invites on monday/ tuesday is way easier bc many ppl started playing their alts at this point xd
on wednesday it took me 45min for a pit of saron 10 on 279 fury
valid hull
yo guys, what's up with arms rn? Feels like before .05 I was doing like 5-10% more dmg as arms than fury, and now I'm doing like 15% less dmg than fury in M+, is the deep wounds bug that bad or am I messing up?
noble sonnet
u running colosus?
valid hull
ya
olive nest
Well likely case is messing up
vapid spire
They're making the unpaid intern run wow while they work on wow 2.0
olive nest
But the bug is about 5-6% last I read here
gentle gyro
im 265 and just pushing my own key and having a great time. lfg is a nightmare u...
278 insta declined in 12s
Gotta wait 2 more vaults
viscid fossil
In midnight theyre shit because at least tww delves had banger trinkets
id hate having to do delves for trinkets.... cant make everyone happy 😄
i am here for the grouped content, miss me with solo pve loner mode
noble sonnet
yo guys, what's up with arms rn? Feels like before .05 I was doing like 5-10% mo...
so the aoe buff is mostly in the form of cd reduction on demolish, can let it rip twice before csmash resets now sometimes
gentle gyro
as in actually declined, not bc theyre full on dps?
Declined
They usually look for demo devo
vale warren
yeah thats not great. its enough for the content but a lot of people only do 10s...
I see, I have a couple pieces that I need to upgrade that are champ track so like 256? but obviously rng… so maybe I’ll grind some lower m+ and see if I can get a drop. I’m not raiding, so it’s just mythic drops for me
viscid fossil
getting champ crests is annoying tho
i feel ya
esp when you kinda outgrew that content range
but yeah 10keys is full of kinda low skill ppl with reasonably high ilvl, its a minefield and that reflects in getting invites
wraith lichen
Yea people just do 10s for vault so alot of people queue for em
nova marsh
id hate having to do delves for trinkets.... cant make everyone happy 😄
I mean you never wouoe
They were a tier at best
But if you had nothing to do and wanted to see about getting a cheeky energy drink it wasnt bad.
M+ trinkets on average were better
vale warren
Is LFR worth doing or is the ilvl low?
nova marsh
Is LFR worth doing or is the ilvl low?
Do you need 4px
vale warren
I need shoulders still
vapid spire
I'd like to be able to get some gud trinkets and stuffs in delvews
vale warren
I have hero legs and helm. And mythic chest
leaden garnet
Something I want to clarify about Colo in 12.05: do we actually aim for 2x demo per cs in AoE?
vapid spire
In WW there was a good trinket but it was when only champion was available in delves
leaden garnet
Because it feels unreliable unless you prioritise MS, which loses dps
dim basalt
trialing, get asked why I refreshed my lf guild
said I wasnt really happy with my first impression of the guild
get asked why, I send a list
get a wall of text saying I shouldnt have such high standards because Im in a worse guild
kicked from their discord
Absolute cinema
pulsar frost
idk how i feel about this considering pitt has those two shits
probably a bonus roll route
neon shale
HOLY BRICC LLMAO
neon shale
probably a bonus roll route
u and m both buddy
vapid pine
>> trialing, get asked why I refreshed my lf guild
>> said I wasnt really happy ...
Finally you can push M+ full-time
vale warren
Sorry I’m asking a new player question about vault. Is it based on what dungeons you clear to determine loot? Or is it random for all drops
noble sonnet
That would be sick as f ty twin
labbed it, even with 1 stack collateral damge, cleave still worth it on 2 target over slam
wind hatch
Something I want to clarify about Colo in 12.05: do we actually aim for 2x demo ...
basically just demolish if cs cd is over 10 secs
if not hold it
ashen trout
labbed it, even with 1 stack collateral damge, cleave still worth it on 2 target...
Sweet ty my goat
ionic mica
>> trialing, get asked why I refreshed my lf guild
>> said I wasnt really happy ...
You can add this to your list of reasons you don't like their guild xD
viscid fossil
But if you had nothing to do and wanted to see about getting a cheeky energy dri...
i mean there are decent trinkets still
ashen trout
Appreciate u 🙂
dim basalt
You can add this to your list of reasons you don't like their guild xD
Dude the hurt ego reply was a 10/10
viscid fossil
on monk i have a champion one that sims higher than the maxed out hero ones
neon shale
Sorry I’m asking a new player question about vault. Is it based on what dungeons...
BAsed on how many raid bosses you illed and what difficulty, how many M+10 you did an how many delves, one row for each one
nova marsh
on monk i have a champion one that sims higher than the maxed out hero ones
Which one?
viscid fossil
fiber of living agony bc of the fat crit proc
random trout
guess raid trinket just does't exist for me this expan
nova marsh
<@204625742544240640>how many vodicores do you have for limit?
Lemee log ob
vapid spire
Fair enough
wild adder
nova marsh
Fair enough
Bro id love that
noble sonnet
just got the puzzle box 🙂
vapid spire
I ran Pit like 8 time last week to see it drop and it didnt
nova marsh
I have 2 champ peices left to delete
vapid spire
Some day i'll get hero heart
reef glade
w
but wait i just realized why isnt my shit 282 up top?
you have to kill alleria every week?
thought the ilvl was permanently saved
wtf is that
nova marsh
oh maybe I do
Hero track hands would be okay
Could just take extra bonus roll and gamba on seat
vapid spire
GAMBA
nova marsh
u got light?
wraith lichen
u got light?
I do not but my rings are still champ
nova marsh
ahhh
vapid spire
Only did one M+ on my rogue, yoink
vapid spire
MAN FUCK OFF
What char ?
vapid spire
Outlaw ?
proud heath
FoB bug not fixed RIP
nova marsh
I'm debating
between a glove upgrade just because I could take it
or just taking void core to gamba on seat
vapid spire
GAMBA
nova marsh
probally yeah
and then craft neck
Kinda okay with this
gotta have some bad luck after grabbing a yuge weapon last week
solemn fractal
gimme
halcyon valve
NA reset moment
vapid spire
sharp sequoia
My ST damage is very low compared to many other classes. Can someone explain to me where I'm going wrong with my rotation?
nova marsh
SOmeone's jelly
nova marsh
My ST damage is very low compared to many other classes. Can someone explain to ...
M+?
Colo?
sharp sequoia
M+
nova marsh
You can try running this for colo
It has a bit more ST but it's still not gonna be great
reef prairie
I wouldn't bother running that unless its for a very specific reason
latent moss
algethar is a good reason
nova marsh
That too
nova marsh
90% of pug keys
algathar, reach, half of spire's bosses
actually no there's just duo you can get funnel on
latent moss
u can funnel on firstt
nova marsh
u can funnel on firstt
the dragonhawk?
olive nest
You can try running this for colo
Never considered running a more ST focus Colo build
Hmmm
nova marsh
the gains are not that big
But I can't get tanks to funnel so lmao
Whelp
game said go gamba on gloves
sharp sequoia
You can try running this for colo
I take it into consideration. But I don't do PVP. 😁
balmy kindle
omg plume or m chest
balmy kindle
my brain tells me plume because its 1.5% simmed before
red parrot
a heroic gaze is simming .1% better than a normal plume for me O.o
balmy kindle
fuck it i am taking plume
nova marsh
Hell yeah
balmy kindle
man shadow plume is so much crit
soft peak
omg plume or m chest
you are on US?
balmy kindle
yeap( more accurately OCE)
balmy kindle
i mean, harder to pug keys but exitlag solves alot of ping problems since i am in Singapore
balmy kindle
the issue is getting into keys in NA
urban iron
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xyVhu1eL6EKMACvBRXw7VY
am I missing something with this sim?
theres no queue and it executes in 10 seconds, the sim result looks fine but I expected a queue and much longer execution time for 60k iterations
nova marsh
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xyVhu1eL6EKMACvBRXw7VY
am I missing some...
Sims said no puzzlebox for you
reef glade
also missing like 300+ crit on gear probably
urban iron
I usually tank so im sure im way over haste and way under everything else
reef glade
o maybe
would also explain the questionable chest enchant
but could be gaming for some tankge
ur weapon also simmed with no enchant im pretty sure
how have i been queueing for npx for 15 min and not gotten in a single one
im 284 ilvl
what is wrong with these vermin in the lfg
olive nest
You didn’t know that you need 280+ lock udk and aug to time 10s?
olive nest
Ahh true they also need to be 3700+
nova marsh
LOL
urban iron
but could be gaming for some tankge
yea lots of prot dps, my arms dps is shameful though even looking at the sim 🙁
mystic summit
dev dh doing 75k overall in my pos 🙂
mystic summit
14
mystic summit
barely
mystic summit
also had a lock marking a target to kick and announcing he will kick it in chat
nova marsh
ew
smoky kayak
w
I guess it is just that easy 
though I probably still bonus roll pit anyway and only take weapon if I don't get it
mystic summit
and actually kicking it maybe 3 times all dungeon
reef glade
epik
smoky kayak
not that great, I don't need boots or trinket, Bellamy weapon/ring are better for Fury
but I'll take it
nova marsh
I wish there were more shamans
smoky kayak
goated would be getting glove, cause that's gonna be a pita to farm/roll for
olive nest
Ggz
nova marsh
goated would be getting glove, cause that's gonna be a pita to farm/roll for
Yeah I'm gonna gamba on seat today
literally just for gloves
For one roll, then 2 to seat
indigo quail
Well im gonna guess arms bugs arent fixed yet
smoky kayak
I think my best roll is still pit tbh
- if I don't get weapon in two rolls, I take it from my vault
- if I do get weapon, I grab a coin
mystic summit
has this always been there?
nova marsh
has this always been there?
since yesterday
smoky kayak
has this always been there?
as of yesterday yes, its children's week
ashen hill
i got a question about Demolish do i need to fit all 3 Hits into the Colossus Smash window or is the dmg already registered even if its running out with the second swing ?
mystic summit
i was gonna say i never noticed it before
smoky kayak
i got a question about Demolish do i need to fit all 3 Hits into the Colossus Sm...
debuff needs to be up when you see the damage go out
thorn stream
dont have to farm pit thank gawd
Getting that with one key slot done is nextlevel
smoky kayak
i was gonna say i never noticed it before
there are diff banners during each holiday, so I guess you're just unobservant! lol
ashen hill
debuff needs to be up when you see the damage go out
so all 3 hits need to get out inside the Buff window got it thanks 🙂
thorn stream
Yes since the last hit is the big one
mystic summit
tbh i normally whirling surge straight into the doorway to the upgrade guy
vast helm
I guess it is just that easy <:peepoThink:586436411922710558>
though I probably...
Good roll
now save our bugs pls
smoky kayak
now save our bugs pls
we are still bugged
clever crag
sharp sequoia
@nova marsh my stat are crit 32% haste 23% and mastery 15% are good?
weak rain
warrior bugs will never get fixed(sudden death bug is still alive, it's been 2 years)
so get used to that fervor bug
dusty dagger
we are still bugged
vast helm
we are still bugged
NEED A POST.
dim basalt
ayo
olive nest
Hey look the tank 4dps guy
dim basalt
haha
ashen trout
Gonna be trying out M paladins tonight for the first time, any defensive timing tips? I’ve heard there’s some rly gnarly overlaps
dim basalt
vapid goblet
latent moss
no flask no enchants
no consumables at all
nothing
legit full raw
im simming for 80k at 260
in m+ build
i think my slayer m+ arms at 282
sims for 80k
with skyfury
tbf skyfury is quite big for ret too
daring heron
skyfury bigger for ret than arms
olive nest
latent moss
skyfury bigger for ret than arms
idk why they decided to do that
back in df s3 skyfury jsut didnt work
with crusading strikes
it was blacklisted
vast helm
idk why they decided to do that
ret have a dev
vapid pine
Some random junior dev who found a ticket with a "bug" or something
tropic aurora
skyfury bigger for ret than arms
do they have to change talents for this or something
vapid pine
It's a dogshit change and being more dependent on a raid buff is horrible
tropic aurora
yea so do they not run crusading strikes if they dont have SF?
latent moss
It's a dogshit change and being more dependent on a raid buff is horrible
10000000000%
raid buffs not being flat dmg increases is just shit
well skyfury specifically is cringe
cause arms rage gen isnt blacklisted
crusading strikes
outlaw gets energy too or something
vapid pine
Sub used to get combo points, but nowadays they have infinite in CDs so doesn't make as big a difference
It's just ass for everyone though
tropic aurora
just anecdotal sims looking at me and a pally in my guild its 11% ST, 10% AoE for my arms and 7% ST, 6% AoE for ret
is why I was asking
vapid pine
I lowkey think blizzard likes it because "synergy" or something
hasty pumice
guys after 7 hours in queue, we got the MC20 W
hasty pumice
sacred zodiac
unfortunately a doctored image as not a single 20 has been timed by warriors yet
latent moss
u could easily do all 21s -algethar
algethar is just a full key level above the rest
hasty pumice
u could easily do all 21s -algethar
yeah just need a team
latent moss
👍
hasty pumice
did a rio recruitment post
latent moss
axxaaxxaxa gg
hybrid needle
guys after 7 hours in queue, we got the MC20 W
can i see dam
hasty pumice
will see if anybody messages me
hasty pumice
haha surely
latent moss
actual demon
hasty pumice
can i see dam
pala killed funnel on 2nd boss
no funnel 1st boss
and bad comp for me
but idc
hybrid needle
damn
hybrid needle
is this ok for pit 18 without any boss funnel?
latent moss
oh that was the maisara
ionic mica
wake of ashes waits for no man
latent moss
ye wake stuns them gg
hybrid needle
i had to kite in a big pack once cause tank died and then i died after first boss cause heal wasnt there
big dmg loss
latent moss
can u somehow
pull warriors at max hp
probably
wake the air angle
100% a wake the air angle
ionic mica
i doubt you would get a ret that isnt your friend to consider that
rose stratus
petition to make all ret pally's nuke their dmg so warrior's can zug harder
latent moss
i mean it gives them boss damage too
ionic mica
even if they were they would argue xD
latent moss
cause of es
hybrid needle
can i see your breakdown ?
rose stratus
if someone asked u to cs the air would you
ionic mica
if they could prove it was good for me sure
hasty pumice
can i see your breakdown ?
ionic mica
ret funnel in cds is nasty
latent moss
i think its kinda big even outside
hybrid needle
Is it normal that overpower is above ms ?
latent moss
crusading strikes hits more targets more art procs
hybrid needle
Or, lets say roughly the same
hasty pumice
Is it normal that overpower is above ms ?
depends
the more you're in AoE the higher overpower is
the more ST you have the higher MS goes
since caverns is mostly aoe
also
I didnt have shaman
so I had rage problems
aka I had to overpower more
latent moss
lmao they get art of war procs per hit not per cast of crusading strikes?
nvm
not true
hybrid needle
isnt it amazing that shamans do so much for us
lyric flame
ey yo Drphilliam is in here, big fan of the MH content brotha
hasty pumice
ey yo Drphilliam is in here, big fan of the MH content brotha
if you're wondering why I'm not posting much, it's because of WoW lol
as you can see going a bit hard haha
appreciate it ❤️
hasty pumice
isnt it amazing that shamans do so much for us
100%
lyric flame
nah its cool i just enjoyt when you do upload
hasty pumice
nah its cool i just enjoyt when you do upload
I wish MH was nearly as interesting as WoW in terms of optimising and things. I don't wanna upload for the sake of uploading and MH runs out of informational stuff to talk about quickly
lyric flame
yeah thats fair
dim basalt
tank buster
gusty nymph
the crafted weapon 285 sims higher than the 289 liferipper. is there not much difference between those 2^
rose ibex
Stupid puzzlebox
granite night
does anyone have any idea what does the m+ % log contain ?
is it only damage or is it a combination of damage and timing of the key
nova marsh
does anyone have any idea what does the m+ % log contain ?
is it from a leaderboard or an actual log
granite night
log
slender sonnet
LET'S FUCKING GOOO
big
neon shale
1/3 Pit L
nova marsh
Absoutlely massive
eh
all I really want from pit atm is neck
so I can be done with champ pieces
nova marsh
Nice
nova marsh
I got myth shoulders last week
neon shale
we go againe
abstract jetty
anyone know the spell id or proc so i can track heroic strike? tryna tweak stuf with my ui
nova marsh
anyone know the spell id or proc so i can track heroic strike? tryna tweak stuf ...
Use slam
You might be able to do it with arc auras
abstract jetty
yea im trying to use arc ui
nova marsh
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1269383/heroic-strike Spell ID should be here
huh
it dosen't
nova marsh
I refuse to believe that NPX in puggable man
16s?
dim basalt
18
vocal flicker
the crafted weapon 285 sims higher than the 289 liferipper. is there not much di...
did u add embelishment on another crafted item in sim?
slender sonnet
dude that was one of my last champ pieces
suiiiii even more then
thorn stream
Heroic Might trackable again when ?
nova marsh
suiiiii even more then
Yeah it's 26 ilvls maxed out
trade some crit for some haste and the bonus effect
slow saddle
Stupid puzzlebox
Puzzle for.birdie boss!
rose ibex
Puzzle for.birdie boss!
bleak arrow
nova marsh
no
nova marsh
make MS do dam
dim basalt
For me 16s but I've failed this key more than agethar
yeah same
slow saddle
Still want my demolish emote
I just mortal strike, to slap harder
- execute
Let mortal strike shine like cleave shines in aoe?
gusty nymph
did u add embelishment on another crafted item in sim?
Yes sir 😇
vast helm
Blizzard Presents - 'Building Azeroth: Updating Quel'Thalas' Video
building Arms pls
feral jungle
Is the fervor of battle bug fixed?
thick kelp
no
proper iron
should i only use Demolish with full stacks of colossal might?
wet maple
For me 16s but I've failed this key more than agethar
I appreciate when tanks start left side so I at least know if the key is dead immediately or not
But yeah npx is way harder than AA now that they’ve added a minute to that timer
wet maple
Plus the route where you do the tree boss last so you don’t stand around waiting for RP forever made that timing that dungeon much easier
nova marsh
The first one you send is (depending on MS crit RNG) probally gonna be sent at 5
aim for 5
But u still want Demo in CS
limber valve
what are yall sending rerolls on
nova marsh
what are yall sending rerolls on
are you mythic raiding
limber valve
ya but were extending
nova marsh
Probally pit