Like if veng id meta
#arms
dim basalt
10s players have never been good to begin with
pulsar frost
it was alot better last few weeks since even the higher key level players would do 10s
for crests
but now its all folks sub like 2.7k io and its terrible
slow saddle
I meant lack of tanks
Is worse coz.brew is.meta
I c so few different tanks
Makin me think the gap is rather big
Lately tanks have been rather close meta being dictated more by comp or dmg
Ofc as a weekly alt, the dream is for prot paladin 2 be meta🤣
pulsar frost
gap is big check raider io
slow saddle
Theres a few like druids i think
dim basalt
Doesnt help that brew is hella easy to play
pulsar frost
slow saddle
But gen gap is bigger than ever
Ofc veng could be almost meta no1 would play
Dev is just 2.juicy
But imagine
A bdk in a 21
😆
pulsar frost
thats how wind and mist is, while both are realyl good rn its just brew is meta why play the other specs
woven viper
guys what addon triggers a sound for teh end of sweeping strike buff
pulsar frost
like wind walker pumps in raid and keys but brew, mist is good in keys and raid btu brew
slow saddle
Havent progessed further
vital zinc
guys what addon triggers a sound for teh end of sweeping strike buff
just add an audio alert to ss in cdm
elder zealot
Just checking with you all: Slayer Arms is even worse in raid now with the recent Reap change, right? I think I might just go Fury for raid
wind hatch
Just checking with you all: Slayer Arms is even worse in raid now with the recen...
no because slam is now on deep wounds and bladestorm got buffed
pulsar frost
slayer is good in raid for arms
flat willow
fury is the one that got worse in raids
wind hatch
arms is being played over fury in the fights that matter
flat willow
elder zealot
Oh gotcha, alright I'll give it another shot then, thanks all!
flat willow
the blizzard big hats decided that unholy and dev dh were underperforming and fury was overperforming
nova marsh
Guys...
flat willow
so they buffed them and nerfed fury, thanks blizzard
nova marsh
Do I punch above my weight class and sned the 15
pulsar frost
15s arent hard
pulsar frost
Do I punch above my weight class and sned the 15
are you arming rn
elder zealot
could be a timing thing then, it feels like on a fight like Salhadaar, you won't have Bladestorm for all the small adds unless you hold it, whereas Fury will always have CDs for it (although it's a lot of pad damage)
vital zinc
who up playin with they arms rn
wind hatch
could be a timing thing then, it feels like on a fight like Salhadaar, you won't...
fury does perform better on saladbar because of all the orb padding
elder zealot
That's what it felt like Dokran, for sure
ionic mica
fury does perform better on saladbar because of all the orb padding
if the boss is done ideally, then arms is far better
pulsar frost
we ball
just que and tiem the key, plus tomorrows rset so it doesnt matter after today lol
arms is much more fun in higher keys as well
since shit doesnt die in 5 seconds
blissful plinth
Hey guys
ionic mica
but it requires the boss to be near enough to the big orb to sweep
blissful plinth
Is fervor of battle still bugged?
pulsar frost
yes
blissful plinth
tyty
wind hatch
they will fix it on reset im sure 🙏
ionic mica
surely they are getting to us soon
blissful plinth
I tried slayer armas and it felt like dogshit
ionic mica
theyll run out of other bugs at some point
blissful plinth
What have they done to reap
ionic mica
and just make new ones 
blissful plinth
is unforgivable
vital zinc
fob and sudden death bug on reset surely
flat willow
it is pretty funny to have a heroic talent that is just dead when you don't take cleave
wind hatch
it procs on sd still so its not dead
flat willow
I mean I play colossus so I don't care either, it's just funny that blizzard was so afraid of slayer's aoe they decided mortal strike couldn't proc reap the storm anymore
or maybe they were afraid slayer would do more damage than unholy in single target without that nerf
nova marsh
I love how we get damage nerfs
before stance mast gets nerfed
I just think thats funny
elder path
fob and sudden death bug on reset surely
SD bug?
flat willow
I think they are refering to SD not giving bladestorm cdr when used at 2 stacks
nova marsh
I think they are refering to SD not giving bladestorm cdr when used at 2 stacks
wait what
vital zinc
it's very small but funny to see your cs go up by 1 second
pulsar frost
ah more reason for me to keep enjoynig col arms instead of slayer
elder path
2nd stack of sd increases cs cd by 1s
What the fuck
I must be a bot to not notice that happen in prog last week
vast helm
Vengeance Demon Hunter Talent Bug Fixed huh?
flat willow
Gz
pulsar frost
First 15 les gooo
was it timed
vast helm
where Arms
dim basalt
NPX is such a cursed key
nova marsh
was it timed
starting now
elder zealot
You got this!
pulsar frost
stop typing go time it
nova marsh
Tell people to get here faster then lol
elder zealot
You gotta help summon in pugs
jovial hare
You gotta help summon in pugs
if ur doing a 15 and ppl need summons, I'd be very worried
echo tendon
So many people refuse to use their portals
pulsar frost
bircketing 15s
elder zealot
Was it first pull Windrunner or something?
pulsar frost
👀
elder zealot
Ah yeah, there are 3 kicks in that
nova marsh
14 pit still big score
and bonus roll
So big GG go next
imagine dying
as a 280 3.2k tank
pulsar frost
3500 tanks still die so
nova marsh
God I fucking hate brew
pulsar frost
ye but the folks that are doing those keys now arent as good as folks that were dpoing those keys 4 weeks ago at 20 levels lower
just how iti s
pulsar frost
its ok still got time just ogtta push
im stopping at 3450 tho unless friends want to push
nova marsh
I might try for 3.4k on warr
pulsar frost
3500 would be sick but i dont wanna deal with pugs for my last 17s
3450 is a sick number anyways
winged heath
still deep wound arms is bugg?
minor gust
2nd stack of sd increases cs cd by 1s
Not just CS but also ava now that ava is on AM
soft venture
do we think they fix slayer for m+ anytime soon
halcyon valve
God I fucking hate brew
some time earlier this reset, i joined a group on my healer alt.
it was a 10 spires "relaxed" key
the brewmaster tank we had, without any prior communication, rushed in and pulled everything until the stairs up to the boss
it was a nightmare
key was bricked mere minutes later
warped ether
I might try for 3.4k on warr
It is miserable to do anything as brown class
Above 14s
Always gotta do your own keys
latent moss
some time earlier this reset, i joined a group on my healer alt.
it was a 10 sp...
we do those pulls when giving someone a 10 on their alt
warped ether
Only way
halcyon valve
we do those pulls when giving someone a 10 on their alt
i mean yeah sure, but then you know what youre doing ahead of time lol
fallen dome
No ints tank folded
I’d bet it was the Graveblade that killed your tank
halcyon valve
spire is a stupid short key
halcyon valve
Above 14s
(taps sign)
lock in
just get a group with your guildies
thats how i got my 16s
its so chill
nova marsh
I’d bet it was the Graveblade that killed your tank
probs
halcyon valve
rip
slow saddle
Dh carry
nova marsh
Impossible gamer levels holy shit
olive nest
Mans got friends
dim basalt
that they both suck
spark mango
anyone having fps issues in magister's terrace?
nova marsh
does this seem normal for 279 ilvl?
do 5 minutes for st
slender sonnet
that seems low for 279
late jay
that seems super low
sacred zodiac
can you link the sim not the screenshot of a sim
slender sonnet
Link the report rather than a ss
sacred zodiac
you turned off all buffs yes your sim will seem low in comparison to people who sim with buffs
slow saddle
austere quarry
this might've been asked plenty but i cant find it, in M+ why do ppl not go for improved sweeping strikes? - colossus on hero
wind hatch
this might've been asked plenty but i cant find it, in M+ why do ppl not go for ...
sweeping strikes uptime is nearly 100% regardless if you're timing your sweeping strikes correctly so powerful momentum is better
nova marsh
this might've been asked plenty but i cant find it, in M+ why do ppl not go for ...
because sweepings uptime with broad strokes is more then enough
austere quarry
oh i see tyty
nova marsh
And full damage on 2 targets is pretty good
elder zealot
Although tbh, with this most recent patch, and us getting more Demolishes, sometimes there's a gap of a few globals where I run out of SS (because Demolish eats 2 stacks of SS)
Regardless though, it's still nearly 100% uptime
nova marsh
It's close enough tbh
elfin lily
hey, I saw that the best arms players change talents and even spec after 3rd boss in seat, but I tried 4 times and always after tp I have cooldown on talent Veteran Vitality. Should I spend this talent point on different talent in this dung?
nova marsh
hey, I saw that the best arms players change talents and even spec after 3rd bos...
Don't use TP to go to argus, go there manually
And..Maybe not sure
Honestly it's a really weird tech. if it's giving you trouble I'd just send it as colo
elfin lily
Don't use TP to go to argus, go there manually
yeah I'm going there by portal, but i'm asking about cd on Veteran Vitality after using tp to entrance of dungeon
nova marsh
You don't really get a choice
unless you just want to be less tanky or take IP
that's pretty odd thou
elfin lily
right, so how the best arms players never have cd on this talent? I'm tryed 4 times and couldn't change talents because had cd on Veteran Vitality 😄
nova marsh
They force proc it early in the fight? I'd need to see a video of it
personally I've never done the tech because I think it's a bit much. ALso pugs will think I'm throwing lol
wide apex
in aoe do you guys just cleave every third gcd? does that cause any issue with spellqueuing?
proper iron
Does sweeping strikes affect Demolish?
nova marsh
Does sweeping strikes affect Demolish?
the first 2 strikes yes
vast helm
Our Arms bugs have a lower priority than the Ritual Site.
umbral badger
maan it's sadge that even on 2 targets we are beaten by a few other specs
🙁
sweeping strike my ass 😮
zenith warren
currently there is no scenario we play improved ss on?
nova marsh
currently there is no scenario we play improved ss on?
We already have damn near 100% uptime on SS with broad
No reason to
loud echo
there is an addon to notify me when Overpower is ready in wow tbc anniversary
leaden garnet
probably should play imp ss atp
Improved SS is strictly worse
stable fiber
there is an addon to notify me when Overpower is ready in wow tbc anniversary
this is probably a fight club question, but there are WA's you can get that tell you when and what mob you are able to use overpower on
this discord is mainly for retail warrior
leaden garnet
Just alternate between CS and manually pressing SS
You will only ever run out of SS during lust
latent moss
i regularly run out
loud echo
this is probably a fight club question, but there are WA's you can get that tell...
Ty sir
stable fiber
as for like a notifcation idk, i think you would find the WA useful though, not sure where it is tho
i use to have it when i played classic
vast helm
where is my Gaze?
zenith warren
are vanguards the worst conucil fight in modern wow? started prog today and its miserable
robust cypress
are vanguards the worst conucil fight in modern wow? started prog today and its ...
No, amirdrassil council is the worst
shy kite
Can someone help me with my logs, i wanna know if i do something wrong. Started arms week ago
zenith warren
slow saddle
council fight with bosses running around all the time kek
I mean... its one of the best fights for u this tier
So its downhill from there, or bench if u got a good guild🤣
proven veldt
it's fine. not great, not awful
stable fiber
just perma 4t cleave
nova marsh
the best was primal council in vault
If you didn't have half the raid of melees yes
Mine did 🫠
ngl
primal council with colo sounds genuinely so fun
hybrid needle
I hate beloren one egg. Its just impossible for me to keep 140k+ if im not proccing like a madman
uneven minnow
zenith warren
sounds good
vapid goblet
stable fiber
reck pot is actually nasty for colo arms on some packs
stable fiber
its not that hard to force it to proc crit when u get enough gear
just cant have cringe trinekts
or else its bad
stable fiber
need to cancelaura wep proc
i never get haste anymore
i only have a 20 stat gap
always get crit
wish i logged that key
stable fiber
it definetly matters a lot
pulsar frost
I have a few hundred gap between haste and crit
stable fiber
oh thats what u mean
pulsar frost
Ye
stable fiber
i gothcu
stable fiber
yeah thats the big issue is the haste proc trinkets
nova marsh
I just went with Light's
minor gust
Cancel aura use reck pot
nova marsh
instead of worrying
minor gust
upper sparrow
Any streamers/youtubers running Slayer rn? I need to watch some VODs and compare output
upper sparrow
Ima bout to give up on slayer man, shits depressing.
rain fiber
I saw Madox MS/Heroic macro, do you guys use it? I didn't quite understand the way it gave you issues on AOE vs ST
I suppose it's the fact that Heroic gave you a buff for damage amp in next Colossus Smash and MS didn't
nova marsh
I saw Madox MS/Heroic macro, do you guys use it? I didn't quite understand the w...
use it if you hate slam
legit
that's the reason people use it
rain fiber
Well, is Slam a damage loss on AOE?
nova marsh
and aoe don't matter cuz cleave auto presses it
fresh spire
Reason it causes issues on aoe is you never want to hard cast HS when you can spend it with FOB
and you actively want to press mortal strike
rain fiber
Ahh gotcha
fresh spire
it gains 50% more damage through FOB which is sizable
nova marsh
I wouldn't use it
nova marsh
yeah for ST it's fine
rain fiber
On fights where you play the ST build
fresh spire
On st the macro is fine, but you would be better off just finding a nice button for slam and getting used to pressing it when on st anyway
if you lack keybinds just unkeybind execute in colossus
copper swan
if you lack keybinds just unkeybind execute in colossus
oh fr ?
rain fiber
if you lack keybinds just unkeybind execute in colossus
on that note, what are the conditionals for pressing Execute on Colo builds? Like on Paladins for instance
fresh spire
You only press execute when you cna't press anything else or rage capping.
fresh spire
on that note, what are the conditionals for pressing Execute on Colo builds? Lik...
basically a slam replacement if you can't ms op cleave
latent moss
colo doesnt do that
fresh spire
execute range its only worth using as the main filler if you have deep wounds talented (in keys you wont)
This is Swordish rank 3 on paladins
nova marsh
Colo hates exe
fresh spire
Pressed it a total one time
nova marsh
You want to press exe as little as possible for colo
rain fiber
Thanks for all the info
bleak arrow
Remove ravager and I’ll try col
ashen hill
Why exactly isnt Execute worth it ? i dont really understand it iam giving Arms a try rightnow and try to get behind why isnt the 70% dmg increase for MS not worth getting from the 2 Executes from a Sudden Death procc ?
hushed pine
Execute leaves you rage starved outside of SD procs
plus it's not particularly a hard hitting ability
at least as Colo
rose matrix
Dude I feel like a troll playing Colossus in AA
hollow quail
Dude I feel like a troll playing Colossus in AA
Check how biz ran his talents for +20 colo
rose matrix
What's the gains?
hollow quail
Did 95k or something on crawth
nova marsh
Why exactly isnt Execute worth it ? i dont really understand it iam giving Arms...
For colo its just because exe needs support you really have, and because it rage starves you fast for basically no real gain. For slayer, its because of rage starving as well you just prio op below 80 rage. Our rage econ is just that bad
zenith warren
do you guys know what is (i assume) an addon that remind when ss runs out that crit uses? plays an error sound
stable fiber
could just make execute give you colossal might stacks and possibly add increased damage to like practiced strikes somewhere
then you could use it on st or 2t
there isnt alot of room to use it on anything with consistent 3+ though
ig you already use it on st or 2t
hmm
nova marsh
could just make execute give you colossal might stacks and possibly add increase...
Na
Blizz tried that
It was jank
stable fiber
did they i dont really remember that
sacred zodiac
hey @visual fern I would just like to formally thank you for providing me with the most optimal build for Mythic Progression in this Raid, and I thought it would be a good time to share with the class
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/DARFFUVRVlRBEVAkBABQCVENVVVVFYBFURiQQA
Looking forward to building with you again next tier @visual fern
latent moss
hey @visual fern I would just like to formally thank you for providing me with the most optimal build for Mythic Progression in this Raid, and I thought it would be a good time to share with the class
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/DARFFUVRVlRBEVAkBABQCVENVVVVFYBFURiQQA
Looking forward to building with you again next tier @visual fern
need garm back on god
gfury
nova marsh
Imo
What colo needs is something to replace exe all together
And move exe talents to a less mandatory position
nova marsh
No
latent moss
colo should be ms slam
nova marsh
As in
latent moss
slayer should be op ms exe
nova marsh
An affect that replaces exe as a button
stable fiber
idk i think u just make exe give colossal might stacks and then you can have more consistent demolishes in st
latent moss
ye but that doesnt make exe any more horrible to press
stable fiber
because even with the cdr im still holding colossal smashes in st
nova marsh
It made exe extremely jank
nova marsh
Because you had conflicting prios
nova marsh
I also have to point out
When they tried that
We had more rage
If colo wanted to press exe and take the supporting talents, you'd rage starve yourself for the whole last 35% of evrey boss
My point against exe giving stacks is also it was specifically asked for by the community because it was so jank
Imo what'd be best is something like
An affect that replaces exe where slam gens stacks, but has a short cd (like 2 seconds). To accompany this, you also gain like 10-15% extra tacti chance
Well non swept slams
elder sandal
which buffs should i 100% track in my ui?
nova marsh
which buffs should i 100% track in my ui?
CM stacks, defensive stance (please press dstance), sweeping strikes.
Probally SD too
lone raft
is the rotation updated for colo?
nova marsh
Ye all the guides are updated
elder sandal
CM stacks, defensive stance (please press dstance), sweeping strikes.
so collateral damage and executioners precision is not really necessary to track right?
nova marsh
collat dosen't matter
Collat will glow when you need it
EP....You can probally track it for slayer
elder sandal
im also tracking rend but not sure
nova marsh
Just use Nameplates for rend and CS
elder sandal
its also on the plater
nova marsh
elder sandal
yeaaa
elder sandal
yeah its only current target
lone raft
wowhead rotation is saying to hold demo for CS, unless I’m reading the wrong section
isn’t demo just full send now on cd
stoic siren
flint ravine
in m+/high cleave pulls is it better to stack collateral damage and then cast cleave, or just spam cleave first while having the no cooldown on it from crushing combo?
dim basalt
in m+/high cleave pulls is it better to stack collateral damage and then cast cl...
In 3T+ always Cleave on cd no matter what
Collateral is just a bonus
In 2T you only use it when at 3 stacks
flint ravine
ah gotcha, thanks for the tip
nova marsh
God
nulleus was so fucking easy as arms
"Oh yeah I need crests....Oh yeah nulleus gives a lot might as well"
3 tries him
Holy shit that made my rogue's struggles look pitiful
latent moss
welcome to warrior
elder sandal
is it possible to throw ravager into a macro with something else?
i also put avatar together with colossus smash
nova marsh
is it possible to throw ravager into a macro with something else?
tbf the only thing you can macro rava with is avatar
It's only CD off the GCD
nova marsh
that too
latent moss
u cs+demo+rav/ava
ideally both but u never hold one for the other
but u always send them with cs+demo
olive nest
need to cancelaura wep proc
mind sharing your macro so i can be lazy? 😄
stable fiber
mind sharing your macro so i can be lazy? 😄
Not at pc rn but let me find it
I use this one
elder sandal
u cs+demo+rav/ava
so usually rav/ava into cs into demo
latent moss
yep
stable fiber
@olive nest ^^^ check the 2nd reply
olive nest
ahh sweet so that uses both style of pots
stable fiber
It cancels the haste proc from hunt embellishment and haste enchant proc
olive nest
and fleeting
olive nest
kk thx
stable fiber
I think the top one is fleeting, then the 2nd one is non fleeting rank 1
Then the 3rd one is fleeting rank 2 reck pot
nova marsh
can i macro colossus smash with sweeping strikes?
No
If you have both you just waste ss
elder sandal
but can i use both in a macro?
elder sandal
i cant cast them simultaneously
nova marsh
I mean I guess?
nova marsh
Try it
olive nest
I think the top one is fleeting, then the 2nd one is non fleeting rank 1
Off wowhead comment for reck pot
That will try to use in this order:
max rank fleeting
max rank crafted
rank 1 fleeting
rank 1 crafted
wraith scaffold
Don't wanna bomb the conversation but how much does ilvl matter for weapon, does it overlook everything els? 
nova marsh
im just a left handed pleb and dont have enough keys
No 12 button lefties mice?
nova marsh
Don't wanna bomb the conversation but how much does ilvl matter for weapon, does...
A lot
Yes it overlooks evreything else
wraith scaffold
smoge
elder sandal
No 12 button lefties mice?
i have 2 on each side Sadge
wraith scaffold
I dropped the haste axe from raid on heroic but I have the 285 crafted weap 
nova marsh
i have 2 on each side Sadge
Im p sure I know a lefties with a 12 button if u want suggestions
nova marsh
I dropped the haste axe from raid on heroic but I have the 285 crafted weap <:sa...
Nice off weap for fury
If u ever wonna go play it for funsies
wraith scaffold
I do but yeah was hoping I could craft my cloak finally
elder sandal
Im p sure I know a lefties with a 12 button if u want suggestions
which one are you thinking of?
nova marsh
which one are you thinking of?
I dont know which one they have
Was gonna ask
Apparently Naga razor has a leftie edition
rocky plume
I just got told to swap out a dead spec playing arms 😭
rocky plume
Was in a raid and got removed for being arms
rocky plume
Why do they hate us rougue ;^;
nova marsh
Because you tubers said arms bad before the season started
And people take it as gospel
nova marsh
what do i do when avatar is usable and ravager is on ~10 sec?
Send with cs
Just send evreything with cs as a general rule of thumb
deft kraken
And people take it as gospel
Dude arms is bad.
slender sonnet
if arms is so NOT DEAD why is my aug higher score
nova marsh
Pre season it was but weve come a long way since then
nova marsh
if arms is so NOT DEAD why is my aug higher score
RIO?
The answer is obvious
You have lust
slender sonnet
deft kraken
Arms is garbage in raid.
slender sonnet
I only speak FACTS
deft kraken
Which is what he was talking about.
slender sonnet
cause Im SANE and VALID
nova marsh
Chief
I hate yo tell you
But if youre melee youre garbage this tier
no udk and ret dont count
deft kraken
rofl
hybrid needle
Sucks to play one of 3 melee classes in the game
deft kraken
If you're melee you suck, except the melee that are doing really well.
deft kraken
Arms is good (besides st)
This you?
nova marsh
Lmafo
slender sonnet
You play prot for raid
No I just play arms
hasty pumice
deft kraken
Pick one. Take the pants off your head.
hasty pumice
M+ > raid
nova marsh
Oh right!
nova marsh
SINGLE TARGET
deft kraken
Lol.
deft kraken
Yeah, with adds for ranged to eat
nova marsh
Exactly lmao
hybrid needle
Remember when UHDK was melee and either good st or good aoe
nova marsh
Ranged always get adds first
hybrid needle
Now thats us
deft kraken
You're arguing with the statement that arms is bad in raid by saying it's good, it's just bad ST.
latent moss
**no udk and ret dont count**
i retract all my statements about ret being ranged
deft kraken
Just weird.
nova marsh
You're arguing with the statement that arms is bad in raid by saying it's good, ...
Im saying its fine
Youre acting as if arms is unplayable
deft kraken
Remember when UHDK was melee and either good st or good aoe
Kinda, except we don't have a good ST option.
latent moss
yes u can go to ranged for a bit but u need to stay melee
deft kraken
Arms is absolute ASS on any of the harder mythic bosses.
nova marsh
Also sorry chief
hybrid needle
Except vanguard. Atleast we got vanguard
nova marsh
I cant take you seriously with that name
deft kraken
Crown, Birds, Midnight Falls.
hybrid needle
Which is probably the only reason arms isnt second from the bottom in that tier list
deft kraken
"Rogue Boy" name checkin people?
deft kraken
Which is probably the only reason arms isnt second from the bottom in that tier ...
yeah van and dragons propping us up.
latent moss
Arms is absolute ASS on any of the harder mythic bosses.
its not bad on lura
nova marsh
Idkk why anyone would invite warrior fury isnt even much better lmao
deft kraken
its not bad on lura
That's good to hear.
hybrid needle
Fury is Lowest ST in game currently, according to data
latent moss
it is not
nova marsh
Fury is Lowest ST in game currently, according to data
We've been here before lol
latent moss
its lowest in raid cause ur goal is to pad
deft kraken
I saw Shirley's number 1 parse and he's getting his ass kicked by a spriest parsing a freaking 40. Just brutal.
daring pagoda
what data?
fresh spire
one of the warrior specs usually is 😄
hybrid needle
"Boss dmg" doesnt give a fack about padding
nova marsh
Idk man
hybrid needle
You said its not tho
nova marsh
its not the lowest st in the game
Thats colo
hybrid needle
Then what is ?
hybrid needle
...
frank wing
idk, resto druid is probably lower...
hybrid needle
Augmention evoker
frank wing
Not by a lot
deft kraken
Fury is running around trying to pop adds before DDHs eat them up, but even if they just sat boss they'd still be down here.
hybrid needle
Damn, is arcane mage THAT unplayable ?
deft kraken
It's not like you have an option to run a ST fury build and people just aren't doing it.
latent moss
u do?
deft kraken
Not that is good.
latent moss
its not good but its not the lowest
every tier same shit
even when fury is top 5 simming st
its low on boss damage
deft kraken
Dude, it doesn't matter? You can show numbers where something is lower and we'll be like "ok". I'm not sure what you're argument is?
Fury isn't designed with a ST damage profile, it's sustained AoE cleave.
deft kraken
Which doesn't really exist this raid tier outside a few fights since ranged eats your lunch. Shadow Priest has the same damage profile only they can do it from a mile away and keep pumping damage.
latent moss
they are correlated but not 1:1
deft kraken
they are correlated but not 1:1
ok neat...?
Both arms and fury doing low overall damage and low boss damage AND low ST damage.
nova marsh
Fury isn't designed with a ST damage profile, it's sustained AoE cleave.
They're no mutually exclusive
deft kraken
They're no mutually exclusive
Yeah I don't disagree. They don't have to be. Look at Shadow Priest.
nova marsh
Look at outlaw
deft kraken
But what we have from a practical standpoint is a useless damage profile for this raid tier since it can't access it's cleave like shadow or do enough burst to matter in raid.
deft kraken
Look at outlaw
Yeah for sure. Fury's design is "I do my ST rotation and cleave all this damge." but it's tuned like shit and the profile sucks in raid.
clever crag
Arms is supposed to be execute specialist with 2 target niche and huge burst aoe 2nd build
hybrid needle
If our dmg Profile is cleave, and hence we do not have good st or aoe burst, how come we are not even in the top 200 on vanguard
reef glade
does do all of that pretty much better than anyone
it just doesnt matter for the raid
nova marsh
Yeah i just think that the problem is like
clever crag
Fury idefk what thats supposed to be now
leaden garnet
If our dmg Profile is cleave, and hence we do not have good st or aoe burst, how...
Isn't arms literally the third top spec for vanguard?
granite swift
At this point you just gotta take it on the chin
sums up warriors tier after tier, of all the discords this is the most "such is life" place there is by far
reef glade
yea we're doing the reverse of the usual and talking about fury in arms chat
99% of the time its the other way around
very strange
ionic mica
sums up warriors tier after tier, of all the discords this is the most "such is ...
what else is there to do xD
clever crag
sums up warriors tier after tier, of all the discords this is the most "such is ...
Because these theorycrafters are key andys
ionic mica
call john blizzard and cry about it?
clever crag
They live inside m+
nova marsh
Because these theorycrafters are key andys
....isnt archi a mythic raidrt
clever crag
And there arms is good
deft kraken
Isn't arms literally the third top spec for vanguard?
We are 4th on Van, behind Aug, Frost, DDH, Demo. Which are also kicking our ASS on everything else.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/46?metric=bossdps&boss=3180
hybrid needle
Isn't arms literally the third top spec for vanguard?
Go thru the rankings.
Dev dh, evoker, frostmage, demolock, hunter... All in Front of us
ionic mica
your choices are to enjoy warrior or move on (or stay and complain whilst enjoying it)
clever crag
Gotta keep complaining while playing it untill war is S tier
ionic mica
there is no secret "get them to pay attention to tuning" button
gg go next season and hope we roll higher this time
clever crag
And then all the fotm garbage comes in and you get easy parses
ionic mica
If our dmg Profile is cleave, and hence we do not have good st or aoe burst, how...
🤓
hybrid needle
At this point just give arms a rework.
As i said, uhdk was either st or mt good. Now its good at both. Why cant we have that
deft kraken
And then all the fotm garbage comes in and you get easy parses
Yup. easy parses because there are a ton of FOTM swaps and top damage because blizz keeps buffing you, like freaking DDH.
nova marsh
At this point just give arms a rework.
As i said, uhdk was either st or mt good...
We've been asking for a rework since dragonflight
hybrid needle
Sorry, warr in general*
clever crag
Devo dh number of parses = 10k+
deft kraken
At this point just give arms a rework.
As i said, uhdk was either st or mt good...
Yeah, or just tune what we have at least.
Devo's damage profile is just "yes"
ionic mica
idk i like how the spec plays, it "just" needs tuning properly
nova marsh
I hope devo gets shot next tier
clever crag
They just decided brew and devo will be op for no reason
clever crag
I hope devo gets shot next tier
I hope it gets shot before
ionic mica
well dev is new so that checks out
deft kraken
idk i like how the spec plays, it "just" needs tuning properly
Yeah, slayer feels fun and like classic arms. Colossus is a little clunky but is fine.
ionic mica
and brew is just what all tanks should be but nice they got their time in the sun
clever crag
Im liking slayer in raid tbh
ionic mica
Yeah, slayer feels fun and like classic arms. Colossus is a little clunky but is...
i really like both tbh
nova marsh
They just decided brew and devo will be op for no reason
Blizzard literally admitted they wanted aug to be broken last time
clever crag
Colo is just m+ /pvp spec
nova marsh
I have no reason to assume they dont want the same to happen this time
ionic mica
colo in keys/cleave bosses ofc, st is a bit weird
hybrid needle
Tbf brew deserved to be meta for once.
Dev dh is meta cause of New specc, thats just how Blizzard works
Heck, im even fine with demolock being good for once
But ret and uhdk? Bruv. Theyve been meta since wotlk can we just stop
nova marsh
Tbf brew deserved to be meta for once.
Dev dh is meta cause of New specc, thats...
No brew didnt
Because tanks cant play it
ionic mica
what is there to not play
deft kraken
colo in keys/cleave bosses ofc, st is a bit weird
The .05 changes make colo feel much better in M+ bosses. ST is noticable.
clever crag
Ret and dk are like top 3 most plsyed specs
ionic mica
you have no cds, you just do your rotation and win
hybrid needle
Because tanks cant play it
How is that related to the Statement of the specc?
Not Blizz fault
clever crag
Is that mythic
olive nest
Ye
clever crag
Nice
granite swift
I hope devo gets shot next tier
i'm past that now, every tier has a king, now i just want to be OP, just watched a video showing arms has been absolute meta in m+ once in its history, and absolute meta in raid back in tbc/mop times?
deft kraken
Nice @olive nest
nova marsh
How is that related to the Statement of the specc?
Not Blizz fault
Its called im annoyed that half the tanks are brew and im fuckin tired of gambling on weather or they know wtf theyre doing
ionic mica
Its called im annoyed that half the tanks are brew and im fuckin tired of gambli...
that happens with all tank metas
so get used to it
ionic mica
plenty of ppal and vdh with no hands
deft kraken
I just want to have a damage profile that matters. Like take what we have but turn slayer into an execute menace. so it feels like "oh fuck yeah we have a warrior for P3"
hybrid needle
Its called im annoyed that half the tanks are brew and im fuckin tired of gambli...
So? Even demolocks fail +10s cause they cant play. Nothing to do with something being meta or not
ionic mica
you just drink your way through it all
nova marsh
So? Even demolocks fail +10s cause they cant play. Nothing to do with something ...
My point is
hybrid needle
That Statement has nothing to do with whats good and what isnt
ionic mica
if you care to play tanks well, brew is not hard
nova marsh
Them being meta means more players on it
deft kraken
Brew is easy, all the tank specs are easy. It's just that they have to learn routes and all extra load.
ionic mica
and if youdont care to play it well then who cares
nova marsh
Means more bad brews
proven veldt
I think you overestimate how many random casual to mid tier players are re-rolling just for keys
olive nest
I dunno man you’d think brew would just live with stagger but I’ve definitely come across some creatures xdd
deft kraken
hybrid needle
I dunno man you’d think brew would just live with stagger but I’ve definitely co...
Tell me about it. My sidehustle is healer. The ammount of monks rolling into a Pack and immediately die is... pretty high
leaden garnet
i'm past that now, every tier has a king, now i just want to be OP, just watched...
I took a break between BFA and Midnight, but 8.3 Arms was strictly the best melee spec in both m+ and raid (in terms of damage)
deft kraken
8.3? We're on 12 baby! 😂
hybrid needle
I dont even wanna be the best. I just wanna be competitive with Uhs or rets
deft kraken
I dont even wanna be the best. I just wanna be competitive with Uhs or rets
this. I don't want to feel like I'm TROLLING by playing arms into crown prog.
olive nest
Idr
nova marsh
Wasn’t that nyalotha?
Yes
daring pagoda
you're saying we just need corruptions back
deft kraken
Arms was great in Nylotha. And felt fine in Castle Nath too. Give us freaking Condemn back!
olive nest
Lmao
fair tinsel
Beam proc in s4 bfa?
leaden garnet
Or did it wrong past tense since that was like 6 years ago
fair tinsel
Weird way to say haste corruptions
leaden garnet
But yeah no arms was 100% expedient to reach 300% haste
And turbo funnel rage through test of might to triple your strength
hybrid needle
I played fury, cant speak about arms, im sorry.
Also ADHD kids with their Stars procc in raids was... not fun
leaden garnet
Single most broken azerite talent for any spec, unironically a third of your dps per talent
granite swift
I took a break between BFA and Midnight, but 8.3 Arms was strictly the best mele...
it was "good" in raid and absolutely not meta in m+, i remember it well as Havoc, BM and Fire......it was fury doing well in m+ in that season but they still weren't close to those 3
hybrid needle
Anyways. Can we agree that External power sucks and they should just make us good by default ?
leaden garnet
Arms was neck and neck with BM
And did more damage than Havoc
But was squishy and therefore difficult to bring to high keys
nova marsh
it was "good" in raid and absolutely not meta in m+, i remember it well as Havoc...
Well fire was op af
leaden garnet
It's nice that Arms is so Tanky now
wary plank
How much of a single target damage increase is it to have a 2nd target in the fight to cleave off?
daring pagoda
Arms seems pretty useful for crown at least
granite swift
But was squishy and therefore difficult to bring to high keys
so it wasn't meta then 😄
leaden garnet
How much of a single target damage increase is it to have a 2nd target in the fi...
For Slayer? Tiny, you're just proccing a few more SDs
wary plank
for colossus
leaden garnet
For Colo? Massive, you're doubling your CM procs
nova marsh
They had like infinity corruption the mechagon bracers, wanst there a staff from like shrine of storms that was busted too
leaden garnet
Spending more time at high stacks, generating more rage from rend, and guaranteeing that you can Demo on the first CS GCD
nova marsh
They just stacked so much on fire mage to.make it disgusting
leaden garnet
And also empowering cleave
leaden garnet
so it wasn't meta then 😄
I think if you're complaining about being the best melee DPS in the game you're expecting too much
nova marsh
Fuck rogue (dont read my name(
hybrid needle
Dont worry rogue boy. When i Was a Teenager i played rogue too
nova marsh
Fuck that stupid fart cloud
Tbh
Im probably gonna go enhance next season
With warrior
And learn ele too
daring pagoda
hybrid needle
Gl that enh is good next season
daring pagoda
yoyo balancing?
nova marsh
Who knows
hybrid needle
Remember, shaman has BL. BL is responsibility
hybrid needle
Also, a little rant
nova marsh
hybrid needle
Why in the world can those gargoyles in pit Grab us during demolish, negating its damage and cancel it when it says we are forced movement immune
nova marsh
Why in the world can those gargoyles in pit Grab us during demolish, negating it...
I hate those gargoyles
And the uhh
The birds on last boss
halcyon valve
But decurse
Decurse plus tremor totem, speed totem, and everything else
No thanks, i got damage to do 
nova marsh
God theres a reason blizz abandoned grab mechabics
nova marsh
Decurse plus tremor totem, speed totem, and everything else
No thanks, i got dam...
Do we even use tremor
hybrid needle
The birds in skyreach?
Atleast you do get a notification for that before it happens
Gargoyles just go "YEET"
nova marsh
TRUE
GOD
Dude
IVE DIED TO A GARGOYLE GRAB
I HAD THE FUCKING DRAGON AIMED AT ME
Did I forget die dstance and sr? yes
But it was still so fucking dumb. They stunned it immediately
halcyon valve
Do we even use tremor
It has its niche uses yeah
Take any interruptable fear on raid trash
Or even mythic chimaerus, when the fear adds spawn too far away to reliably interrupt them, just pop down a tremor and save a wipe or two
hybrid needle
It has its niche uses yeah
Take any interruptable fear on raid trash
Or even myt...
You mean Berserker shout? 
nova marsh
It has its niche uses yeah
Take any interruptable fear on raid trash
Or even myt...
Oh fair
halcyon valve
You mean Berserker shout? <a:ExcitedBlushette:932414006679973888>
😔 unfortunately only clears one group, while tremor totem clears everyone in range
weak rain
where buffs
hybrid needle
where buffs
nova marsh
https://discord.gg/felhammer
No
weak rain
where dh nerfs
jovial hare
where dh nerfs
nova marsh
Brooo
granite swift
I think if you're complaining about being the best melee DPS in the game you're ...
nah it was just a side convo about nerfing devourer, i just want us to be up there
actually nah
i would like us to be the best dps in the game
for a lil while
why not
hybrid needle
I dont even want to be the on paper highest damage class in the game.
But i dont want to have a 100 Parse and get beaten in dmg by a 10 Parse
nova marsh
Id like a balanced season
ebon tendon
I dont even want to be the on paper highest damage class in the game.
But i don...
ya, prog kill and im new at warrior dont judge but ffeels like shit in general
hybrid needle
Atleast arms and prot use the same gear. So grabbing a shield and calling it a day is pretty simple
nova marsh
ya, prog kill and im new at warrior dont judge but ffeels like shit in general
Numbers
Show rlem
nova marsh
Atleast arms and prot use the same gear. So grabbing a shield and calling it a d...
Fuck tank jail
hushed topaz
I feel like the perma SS is really gonna hamper us. Blizz too scared to buff our dmg too much
daring pagoda
just buff fury and arms auto attack damage by 500% and call it a day
nova marsh
Show em
nova marsh
just buff fury and arms auto attack damage by 500% and call it a day
5,000
ebon tendon
nova marsh
And rage scales with aa dsm
nova marsh
K imma go die
ebon tendon
K imma go die
enjoy!
hybrid needle
ebon tendon
thats a lil extreme though no?
hybrid needle
Take this with a Grain of Salt
ebon tendon
ya
daring pagoda
what fight?
hybrid needle
Its not edited, i just cant remember the fight. I think it was vanguard
hybrid needle
I just wanna get gaze so my st is above brew
ebon tendon
i have decent enough gear im just ass
hybrid needle
So am i, brother. So am i
ebon tendon
eh i cant parse above a 60 in mythic so youre at least 20 uh parses above me if thats mythic
hybrid needle
Thats myth chimaerus
ebon tendon
same
hybrid needle
I tried averzian col with addcleave. It was horrible. I got a 35 parse cause.. Well, ads got eaten by everyone but me. By the time demolish finished casting everything Was desd
leaden garnet
i would like us to be the best dps in the game
I think every spec should get to feel fotm every now and then
ebon tendon
I tried averzian col with addcleave. It was horrible. I got a 35 parse cause.. W...
ya i got a 49 there last week just full ST
leaden garnet
When was the last time enhancement was fotm? Or sub rogue? Or survival hunter?
nova marsh
When was the last time enhancement was fotm? Or sub rogue? Or survival hunter?
Enhance is funn6
ebon tendon
i can get some 90+s in heroic runs but just green and greys when mythic time comes lol
latent moss
I tried averzian col with addcleave. It was horrible. I got a 35 parse cause.. W...
i just play full st slayer
nova marsh
Cuz tww s1
hybrid needle
ya i got a 49 there last week just full ST
P sure with just a tiny bit of addcleave my st build would have topped that too
ebon tendon
can i borrow ur brain
ebon tendon
so i need labotomy
latent moss
idk i was just sending perma on boss
one time charged to add cause it wasnt dying
pressed 3 buttons charged back to boss
latent moss
i got a 90 sitting on boss idk
hardy crown
do we have plater or something to see when to execute?=
latent moss
and r4 boss damage
hybrid needle
i got 114k on averzian playing slayer
Did you hold for ads or send it all on pull with bl
wind hatch
Did you hold for ads or send it all on pull with bl
send everything on pull
everything will be back up by the first add set
then you want to hold avatar + bs for all future add sets
try to wait for most of the adds to group before sending cs
hybrid needle
Interesting. I BARELY got my cs up DURING ads again. Not even to speak of bladestorm with probably 2 procs per bossfight
leaden garnet
You may need to finagle your haste to get enough rage generation
Or use reckless potions
wind hatch
haste is neutral for rage gen
what matters is sd procs
if you get really unlucky you wont have it up but that barely happens
leaden garnet
And which stat gives you the most SD procs?
Higher haste lets you cycle through AM to get CS back up faster
hybrid needle
I only have one set of gear and that will prio crit. Dont raid enough to bother with a second set
wind hatch
as long as you have like 20% haste youre fine
just sim ur enchants and do what robot tells u to
hybrid needle
Das what im doing
onyx rapids
morning to all~
quick question guys!
I havn't seen any updare/bug fix regarding heroic strike not applying deep wounds when cleaving, mentioned by Archi.
Is this bug fixed or still ongoing?!
hybrid needle
Its currently still bugged. Noone knows when itll be fixed but we all hope its gonna be this reset
onyx rapids
Its currently still bugged. Noone knows when itll be fixed but we all hope its g...
Thanks for reply!
Appreciate it!
surreal spade
tytytyty
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hRCBgg8pCs7ZxRmY6eNSCz plume still better than myth gaze? WTF
latent moss
shouldnt sim dslice
hybrid needle
Patchwork 1 target and/or 5 targets
main wing
AA and nxp dont feel good as arms atm, missin slayer goddam
hybrid needle
<@&257983573498265600>
spare lava
Yo guys I’m new to warrior and I’ve noticed the damage numbers are super delayed on my abilities. Is that normal or is it just me?
pulsar frost
@nova marsh is it time i test slayer arms again in keys like a simple 10-12
nova marsh
<@204625742544240640> is it time i test slayer arms again in keys like a simple ...
Maybe
Idk i tried slayer today in a 12 and felt like I trolled. Maybe wrong build for terrace
pulsar frost
more the reason i dont, i dont really want to either
hybrid needle
Yo guys I’m new to warrior and I’ve noticed the damage numbers are super delayed...
Sounds like a ping related issue. Damage numbers should Pop up almost immediately
covert patrol
they are delayed for me too but i never really cared/noticed
spare lava
Yeah idk it’s weird my DK and pally don’t have that issue and it’s mainly on my arms warrior
scarlet mortar
my execute damage never shows
hybrid needle
Now that you mention it, on execute yes. But other than that its completely fine
surreal spade
how is the right way to sim dungeons as arms? dungeon slice ?
latent moss
st 3min and 8t 1min
surreal spade
and in AA, what buff is better?
proper atlas
Any fix yet
nova marsh
and in AA, what buff is better?
Depends on ur stats. Ive been gping versa
upper sparrow
Idk i tried slayer today in a 12 and felt like I trolled. Maybe wrong build for ...
Slayer is so far behind everything it’s not funny
nova marsh
Slayer is so far behind everything it’s not funny
Yeah
It feels kinda bad to me
Just so lacking in aoe
And st is rng
nova marsh
i mean, its not a ring, but socket is big as catalyst item
No craft?
calm hollow
crafted cloak
nova marsh
Went weap?
nova marsh
olive nest
crown has got to be the most ass melee fight ive done yet
deft kraken
https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnight-hotfixes-for-april-27th-class-and-dungeon-...
STILL NO FIX WHAT THE HECK?
rose matrix
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