arms

[tame hill]

well thats another story

[radiant moon]

wiat how tf did you get 6?

[tame hill]

but still f blizzard

[radiant moon]

did they refund the vault ones too?

[tame hill]

buff warrior

yes sir

[viscid fossil]

my bonusrolls gave me 200dps upgrades for my already myth items

[bleak fog]

They are so fucking..... ARRRRRGGG

[feral breach]

Abuse early, abuse often. Or smth

[bleak fog]

So mad

[tame hill]

if you got to spend them on wednesday you got all back

its dogshit

as almost everything that blizzard touches nowadays

[viscid fossil]

thats a slight disadvantage thats true

[bleak fog]

Start to think they use AI for everything..

[viscid fossil]

but its not even an abuse early case the smart thing was to not trust blizzard

[bleak fog]

"Sort bonusroll for us"

OK do this

Nice ty

[silent lynx]

War is always bug ?

[tame hill]

the thing i dont get is that they take money from everyone that plays the game yet are uncapeable of delivering a good game idk

every patch its a shitshow

[radiant moon]

war no always bug, but war always zug

[viscid fossil]

well, you are still subbed

playing the worst class in the game

whos to blame

[tame hill]

y i wonder for how long

hard considering

[silent lynx]

Oh! is patch ?

Dont see blue post

[radiant moon]

as far as im aware we are still bugged

[viscid fossil]

my classic tokens are still runnign for a while

will reconsider then

[radiant moon]

if you are talking about the deep wounds bug

[silent lynx]

Yep...

[tame hill]

also 50% into lura prog so would be kinda dick move if i just quit now

[stable fiber]

not really

prob one of the least bugged specs in general

classes*

if we do have a bug though it typically is a long time before it gets fixed

[balmy kindle]

Neglected is the word

[stable fiber]

its hard to bug a class when they never try anything special for the class lmao

[brittle nacelle]

man am I stupid or is arms feeling worse rn

[minor gust]

This is an incredibly rare scenario for warrior to have a significant bug on live

[stable fiber]

the burst is a little worse

so it certainly feels worse at low key levels

[balmy kindle]

Imo they could had just left cleaving combo untouched and we won't be busted

[stable fiber]

nah they did the right thing

[radiant moon]

we already toping overall

should have buffed ms like 15%

or smt

to fix our st

[balmy kindle]

I am not complaining though, new demo rocks

[stable fiber]

probably one of the best changes they could have done to colossus arms, would be even better if fob wasnt bugged though

[brittle nacelle]

yeah I probably just low rolled my last two dungeons because I feel like my pool noodle was not keeping up like the previous keys lmao

[balmy kindle]

5 S CD

[stable fiber]

it does also feel like cleave hits for less icl

[magic canopy]

the bug doesnt help tbh

we are missing a ton of prio damage

it sucks

[balmy kindle]

Yeah for sure

[radiant moon]

missing prio dmg on already st starved spec is just

brutal

[magic canopy]

well we arent missing anything on a ST mob

[balmy kindle]

Quite a lot of funnel damage on those packs would had been nice

[magic canopy]

the bug is in aoe

or funnel

[stable fiber]

the ST this spec has is actually quite nice

[radiant moon]

i know, but if you funnel / have prio mob in a pack

[stable fiber]

it sims like shit but its better then it sims

[radiant moon]

you are losing what 8% give or take

[magic canopy]

you wana see something a litte bs khazix

first roll baby

[stable fiber]

ha

like

[swift flame]

pass the luck around bossman

[stable fiber]

i could spend 2 rolls to try and get that

for like 300 dps for l'ura prog

or i can hold and spend it on l'ura tmrw

[radiant moon]

depends on the fight but in my exp we still suck on bosses as colo

[magic canopy]

id hold for lura that ring

is gonna be harder to get

[radiant moon]

slayer feels good tho

[stable fiber]

yeah the ring is nasty

[magic canopy]

this wep is BiS

but its harder to get the ring

[stable fiber]

the l'ura wep is true bis afaik

[summer shore]

My 2 rolls at pos being weapon, ring, neck

[magic canopy]

i dont think its worth losing a ring chance roll

[summer shore]

3

[magic canopy]

nope

[stable fiber]

u sure?

[stable fiber]

psure l'ura wep is the true bis in the profile they use

[radiant moon]

gon be close

[magic canopy]

thats the current true bis

[balmy kindle]

Garfrost is like 1.7 % upgrade from other weapons

[magic canopy]

according to archi

[stable fiber]

oh

[balmy kindle]

Oh

[stable fiber]

they fcking changed it

ok

[magic canopy]

the neck/rings are kinda interchangable with the pit ring/neck

[stable fiber]

also gaze?

hmmm

i guess gaze is a good source of mastery

[magic canopy]

gaze and

thats the full report

if you wana look at it

crit plume is close

[radiant moon]

btw ox, big fan loved ur powerpoint vid, just came across it recently 😄

[stable fiber]

not far behind yeah

ok this is good

[magic canopy]

like the ring/neck differances from the pit items are actually like 8 dps sim wise

[stable fiber]

stealing this

[magic canopy]

so pit still might be the play

for all items idk

[stable fiber]

gloves also changed

[magic canopy]

oh i didnt realize he actully had ember gloves in the sim too

thats nice

[stable fiber]

not far behind also

like 70 dps

[magic canopy]

yeah bonus rolling for the gloves is like min min min max

def the last possible thing you do

[stable fiber]

l'ura wep is also only like 100 behind

okayge

[magic canopy]

lura is probably always the right spend

til you get ring

[stable fiber]

what neck is it replacing in that sim

[pale agate]

guys, can u still play arms slayer in high keys ?

[magic canopy]

saladhar neck

they are interchangable

same with pit/nexus crit rings

[balmy kindle]

Won't recommend it just no aoe

[stable fiber]

good in some dungeons

for st

[magic canopy]

think arms slayer is fine tbh

the bigger thing is you lose CRAZY damage reduction

in higher keys living becomes more important then damage

[tame hill]

If packs die quick slarms isnt that good tho

but its still fine

[tawny thorn]

You live longer if pack dies quicker

[neat granite]

Slarms sounds like a disease

[magic canopy]

also @stable fiber that bis list is assuming the voidcore upgrades as well. wonder if it pushes some kinda breakpoint

[tawny thorn]

And Colossus doesn't feel less tankier

[minor gust]

its not that bad especially with the dmg more focused in BS

[dim basalt]

Colossus is significantly tankier

[tawny thorn]

Ohh yea, I understood it the other way around

My bad

[balmy kindle]

My gripe with slayer is that your dmg has some RNG variance as well

Can be quite annoying during pushes

[minor gust]

It usually avgs out in a key

[stable fiber]

yeah it prob does

[magic canopy]

though i really wish

if we get bonus rolls

we should also get random tert roll uitems

[stable fiber]

did they remove the terts/sockets

[radiant moon]

you dont like not slayer striking once in 6 chances and then 3x from 2 cleaves + one proc? 😄

[magic canopy]

for what ptr?

[stable fiber]

on the bonus rolls

[magic canopy]

i have no idea how that works. people got dupes WITH terts but

i dont know if you can force them if you full roll a dungeon out

[balmy kindle]

Yeah I seriously don't

Also no sudden death procs in big pulls

[radiant moon]

they also feel way better when all of the pack lives not just the big mobs 😄

[neat granite]

No, I rolled avoidance on puzzle box yesterday

From bonus roll^

[radiant moon]

have fun standing afk for 2 sec

[neat granite]

I have this piece of shit mythic on 3 of my characters

[tawny thorn]

In between packs it's not that big of a deal

[neat granite]

[balmy kindle]

Just annoying

[neat granite]

Is arms still doing pres evoker single target

This message was brought to you by #fury

[tame hill]

if you start the fight with 10 stacks of might you actually do good st ngl

as colo

[balmy kindle]

Big if

[tame hill]

[balmy kindle]

Stacks be running down so fast

[runic rock]

so with the new changes are arms warriors going collosus or slayer for mythic+?

[tawny thorn]

Colossus, as god intended

[runic rock]

the ST is just so bad

like barely doing more than tank

[tawny thorn]

Kek

you clearly don't play the spec

[balmy kindle]

Better than last week

[tawny thorn]

Was true week 1

[radiant moon]

you dont mention that in this chanel, brings depresion

[runic rock]

yea this checks out

[tame perch]

When is the date we will be actually able to upgrad our shit to 298?

[radiant moon]

3 weeks

[tawny thorn]

May 12/13

[radiant moon]

13/5 in EU

so 12.0.7 feature 😄

esentially

[tame perch]

thanks boss

[neat granite]

Its still true. Lol.

[tame perch]

So what tank does 91k single target?

[neat granite]

You should teach all the arms in my keys how to play bud

Youre a beast

[balmy kindle]

On the flip side I haven't seen fury in keys

[tawny thorn]

Where are their AOE ?

[balmy kindle]

I am pretty sure they only do MT now

[feral breach]

Mostly ye

[balmy kindle]

Even then the aoe

Rip beyblade gaming tww S3

[feral breach]

Actually decent if the pull is 20 mins

[neat granite]

[balmy kindle]

Karma for TWW s3

[feral breach]

Tbh they still doing fine

[balmy kindle]

Mash raging blow

[neat granite]

I didnt play s3 - wheres my justice?

[balmy kindle]

You missed out, fury in tww S3 was pretty nuts with how much reap procced

[neat granite]

Sounds like fun

Glad blizzard addressed that promptly

[feral breach]

Damage wise and lookwise yeah

Was not that interesting gameplay wise

[neat granite]

Tbh rampage > clap x27 isnt exactly critical engagement either

[tawny thorn]

as per usual unfortch

[balmy kindle]

Wait no more bloodthirst fishing?

[tame perch]

I agree, the whole mountain thane concept bores me. Feel like I clap WAY too much now, after 20 years since the trainer in goldshire showed me thunder clap.

[neat granite]

Inside your cooldowns and in big aoe its practically impossible to press anything but rampage without overcapping

[feral breach]

You still do it on 5t

[neat granite]

I despise mountain than with a burning passion

[feral breach]

But kinda vibe

[neat granite]

Sage bro the first step is acknowledgment - the gameplay loop is dookie meat

[deft bluff]

Luckily waiting for rage is fun

[balmy kindle]

Thing is thanes dopamine button is thunder clap

[tame perch]

It feels kinda badass to be able to rampage back to back 2-3 times once or twice per key, but that's it

[balmy kindle]

Constipated without sky fury

[neat granite]

Mountain thane or colossus cock or ball torture

Inb4 someone tells me just play whatever u want if thats slayer play slayer!

[neat granite]

When someone looks at your gf and says as long as youre happy

[tame perch]

I mean pressing Demolish is big, imo

[grizzled hare]

Arms spec so dead the people are discussing Mountain Thane

[neat granite]

Bro in #fury they’re discussing survival hunter

[ripe field]

Arms gaps Thane in keys

[stone beacon]

blizzard seeing arms climbing the ladder so they nerf it and buff the meta comp keklmao

[grizzled hare]

Gonna try to kill Lu'ra Heroic tonight at 271 ilvl on Arms. Wish my healers luck

[tame perch]

Raiding as arms is just plain miserable though, especially with the bugs and shit, had to change to female orc to not have the sound/striking bug

[grizzled hare]

Yeah went Fury for one raid night after progging Lu'ra for 2 nights and we got the kill. First time touching the spec in Midnight. But I still want to take Arms across the finish line on reclear tonight

[viscid fossil]

i amazed how many people are annoyed by the sound bugs

as long as my cdm alarms work im good

[grizzled hare]

The Fury kill was the first in the ilvl bracket. Now I also want the Arms one

[viscid fossil]

and i play male orc

[grizzled hare]

All I'm annoyed by right now is no qnimation with Fervor of Battle

Biggest positive about Arms or Warrior in Raid: raid leader gave me "wheelchair privilege" meaning I don't have to handle crystals in our melee heavy comp.

♿

[rigid flicker]

It seems slayer is dead in Mythic+? Trying colossus now but something I don't get: the CD of Demolish and Colossus smash will constantly get desynced. Do I hold one or the other and always use them together? Or just send them?

[wind hatch]

the current apl has you send demolish on aoe if the cooldown of cs is greater than 10 seconds

[minor gust]

@rigid flicker

[wind hatch]

neerd

[rigid flicker]

Thanks!

[tame perch]

Tried both, I perform way better if I never send them alone, this goes with avatar too. Avatar should or demolish should always be paired with smash

[stable fiber]

why does demolish reset your swing timer

lmfao

chopped spec

[minor gust]

because they hate us

[wind hatch]

does it actually

[stable fiber]

yes

[minor gust]

yes

[wind hatch]

ive never noticed that

wow

w devs

[minor gust]

harder to notice now with no swing timer

[stable fiber]

i was just hitting dummys

had 0 rage for like 6 seconds straight cause i demolished at the end of my swing timer

and was like no way

[minor gust]

yup been like that since TWW

shit always broke ur auto

[stable fiber]

insanity

i guess it makes sense though

slam on classic resets your swing timer

(channel)

[minor gust]

xD

they never bothered just making it like BS and letting autos still go through

[stable fiber]

yeah i kinda figured when you are able to block parry and dodge during the cast

you could auto

[deft bluff]

Is there a way to get a swing timer

[stable fiber]

not anymore afaik

unless you are a ret paladin

[deft bluff]

[minor gust]

gotta play ret pally if u want swing timer

[deft bluff]

Why do they get one

[minor gust]

because they generate a resource from autos

[stable fiber]

its arguably just as important for them also

so

[minor gust]

not like we do

[deft bluff]

And we dont

[stable fiber]

maybe more important idk

[deft bluff]

[stable fiber]

maybe with m33kauras...

[stable silo]

Does anyone know when the best time to use Demo is? I use it with 10 stacks and CS, but if I get it up before the next CS is there a threshold for when to not use it? E.g., when CS cd is < 10s?

[minor gust]

Here you can have the other one

[stable silo]

Thank you king

[spark mango]

lets say i cant sim my character

[tame perch]

you cant sim your character

[slow saddle]

u cannot sim ya character

[minor gust]

he cannot sim his character

[tame hill]

it is normal that you have like 10-15 sec left on cs while demoing 2nd time in a pull

but you just send on cd and get another demo while your second cs runs because of the cdr

[slow saddle]

im kindda curious whats he wanna say about simming

if u cant go crit - haste

like thats what i would do

then id look at blood mallet or bis list

and favour those item

s

not ideal, but at least its made by ppl THAT simmed 😄

[pale agate]

(question for arms colossus)

lets say i have Avatar ready to be pressed, colossus smash is 10 seconds away

do you PRESS AVATAR OR WAIT FOR COLOSSUS SMASH ?

[balmy kindle]

Wait

[dim basalt]

wait for cs

[pale agate]

ok thx

[spark mango]

when i sent this message my internet died, the main reason i cant sim my character

second part of question was, is going haste crit decent enough for dungeon?

[vapid pine]

Ye you'll be fine

[spark mango]

right now i'm 1025 crit 1042 haste with haste flask

and solarfale and ancient hunger trinkets

[astral yarrow]

at that poitn im pretty sure mastery flask is better for multitarget

[spark mango]

without it i have 891 haste,

[vapid pine]

If you care this much

You sim

[spark mango]

is there anything such as too much crit on colossus?

[spark mango]

i cant love, cant open the website and cant even get the addon, i connect to internet with risk of being arrested irl

and i only tunnel wow and sometimes discord, i tried many times but raidbots doesnt wokr

[astral yarrow]

you reach diminishing returns at some point, so yeah, theres too much crit

whether you run haste/mast/crit flask is not gonna be the reason you deplete your keys

[vapid pine]

Just DM your string whenever you doubt and I'll do it XD

[astral yarrow]

slippery slope my man

[vapid pine]

Ah can't get the addon

I'm dumb

[spark mango]

ty for the offer tho, but i think i'm fine with my current gear

https://ibb.co/gHDMWmB

i think gaze is good substitue for solare flare for me

[astral yarrow]

ofc the bis trinket is better than solar flare xd

[vapid pine]

Is Gaze BIS for keys? Sims kinda lacklustre in M+ talents for me vs Guidon

[slender sonnet]

can you craft arcanoweave on neck/back?

[astral yarrow]

neck no, back yes

[slender sonnet]

I figure

• crafted cloak
• myth chest/legs/gloves
• salahadaar neck
• pos wep

and we're gaming

and mythic plume to replace gaze whenever we end up doing belo'ren

then I can reroll aug

[thick kelp]

gaze>plume

[slender sonnet]

really?

damn

I assumed plume was better

[somber reef]

Heyo guys,
First time being here, can i get a little help, where should i spend the bonus rools on arms talent?
I have only 1 mythic gear piece. Thanks in advance

[halcyon valve]

youre going to get the best answer from simming some items to figure out what is the biggest upgrade you can currently get
either use it for a chance to get a strong trinket, if you dont already have them, or any other big item

[clever crag]

Check bloodmallet

[soft peak]

Pit offers the most crit haste items and you can get good upgrades

I rolled mine on pit

[silent flame]

Also a good idea to sim droptamizer on every dungeon

And then take a look at what dungeon offers the best upgrades / what ones have the higest amount of items you wouldn't want

and then evaluate what would be best to pick after that

also keep in mind you get 2 a week, with an additional one from vault for 6 tokens

Ans also consider that raid takes 2 tokens while an m+ dungeon takes 1

[thick kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6mtNgzUKWEFNQbVSvyLToE

[dim basalt]

Telling a theorycrafter to check bloodmallet is crazy work

[clever crag]

298 ?

[dim basalt]

voidforged

[clever crag]

Thats not even availible rn

[dim basalt]

Doesnt change the fact that gaze is better

[clever crag]

Not for many weeks

[thick kelp]

bis profile wcyd

sim yourself

[clever crag]

Who tf put that plume there then lol

Joe Bozo manages bloodmallet ?

[dim basalt]

Almost like Bloodmallet is not exactly reliable

[thick kelp]

bloodmallet Sims with a flat versa statstick on trinket 2

[clever crag]

Ofc its always “simyoself”

[thick kelp]

and puts the trinket it shows to trinket 1

it shows whats good but not whats good for you

[mystic bronze]

Plume is better. 6/6 mythic heart & 6/6 heroic plume Sims higher than 6/6 mythic heart + gaze for me

[thick kelp]

damn ur Gear sucks

[clever crag]

Still about 90-95% of ppl go by bloodmallet or wowhead bis lists

[dim basalt]

Ah, that makes it obviously objectively better

[thick kelp]

gaze+ myth heart sims better for me

[mystic bronze]

Fair enough

[dim basalt]

People legit trust anything but actual guides written by theorycrafters and simmers

[minor gust]

No I don't manage that awful site

[clever crag]

Lmao

How about pots then

Bloodmallet says reckless pot

[mystic bronze]

I do trust simming, yes

Reckless is good

[dim basalt]

I think you missed the word "objectively"

[thick kelp]

reck is good but really gear dependant

ex. if u get a random stat proc your reck might proc a bad stat

also simming reck will make you want negative versa

i have 1% versa for exampme

[clever crag]

I have loads of crit

[minor gust]

0% vers for me

[mystic bronze]

I didn't. But then again, I can only go by what sims better for my gear. No clue what he has.

[minor gust]

If plume is better for you means rest of ur gear is low on Crit

Really all it is

[charred thunder]

Hi
I have a question about heroic strike, when we have to use it? And also, it is worth to use it as mono?

[thick kelp]

you use it always

wowhead guide answers your questions

[minor gust]

Even got a blue question mark for heroic strike in aoe now

[dim basalt]

[mystic bronze]

My haste is higher than my crit, unbuffed. Using the npx rings because they sim higher. I do have the pit ring too though and practically, when I play, I don't seem to be doing less damage. I have very few upgrades in m+ that I can get at this point

[minor gust]

It's not a bad thing

[balmy kindle]

You need insane levels of crit to hit DR though in my experience, I have 33% and crit is still best stat

[minor gust]

Plume is a good trinket

[mystic bronze]

I'm around there too

[minor gust]

Depends what you are playing slayer or colo. Colo wants nothing but Crit while slayer stops caring after 32% Crit and wants more haste/mastery

[balmy kindle]

Ah that's quite true, mostly Colo here though heh

[mystic bronze]

So just straight up more crit from the pit ring is better than the proc off the npx set bonus?

[balmy kindle]

Ask the robot

[minor gust]

For Colo in aoe yes

Think the set ring proc makes up for the undesired stats for Colo in ST

But in aoe you want that 2nd Crit ring

[mystic bronze]

But should I gear for aoe or st. St is where its lacking and needs everything it can get

[minor gust]

Thats for you to decide

Do you want to lean in to what your spec does best or sure up a weakness

Player choice really

[mystic bronze]

Fair enough

[balmy kindle]

I just sim for ST because Colo needs that more than anything

[mystic bronze]

Yea

[tacit sandal]

How many targets and how much time should we sim for m+?

[mystic bronze]

For aoe I sometimes sim 10 Bosses for 1 minute or 8 Bosses for 1 minute

St is 1 boss for 3 or 4 minutes

[livid cobalt]

Hey, quick question. If I use Colossal Smash and get the buff from follow-up hits, doesn’t it make sense to only use Sweeping Strikes after the buff has expired? Or not? xD

[granite night]

Sweaping is best for faster reset for demo

If your sweaping stacks from col smash have ran out

[abstract sphinx]

U should try to have 100% uptime on SS, keyword is try

[livid cobalt]

Yeah, Wowhead says you should use Sweeping Strikes once your Colossal Smash stacks are gone. Just saw it at the blue question marks

thx

[dusky quartz]

Hello guys, amateur question from someone that wants to be more than just an amateur, is the wowhead build still viable for M+ ? I am thinking collosus arms warrior

[icy mulch]

Slayer one got shot by the nerfs, now Colossus seems to be the only choice for M+.

[fresh spire]

Slayer rip

[icy mulch]

Not sure about Fury. I think it took a bigger hit.

[fresh spire]

Surely it will be meta some day

Thanes just better

[icy mulch]

Thane still doing good after the nerfs?

[swift flame]

thane didnt get nerfed

was reverted

[icy mulch]

I haven't touched Fury much this season. Since stats for Prot and Arms line up.

[rigid flicker]

and the arms slayer nerf, which was totally meaningful and understandable, remained. Otherwise this very troubling spec would unbalance the game

Or something

[icy mulch]

[swift flame]

really wish we got some single target buffs

well we did

but real ones

[rigid flicker]

really wish they'd at least show some roadmap or something

[rancid willow]

Is slayer still the go-to for raid aside from pally trio fight?

[vapid pine]

Unfortunately we're not on bottom 3 specs on warcraftlogs overall damage, so no changes

[swift flame]

can play colossus on dragons

[vapid goblet]

you do colo at dragons as well

[swift flame]

but otherwise yer slayer is the play

[rancid willow]

Sweet

[swift flame]

colossus boss damage is still pretty miserable

[vapid goblet]

not when there is 2 targets

[swift flame]

yer hence why we established you can play it on vanguard and dragons

if they can make the colossus tree cause mortal strike to hit like sanctum arms that would be sweet

[unreal mountain]

anyone tried out Slayer arms in high keys? is it still viable?

[dim basalt]

Define high keys

[unreal mountain]

19-20 keys around

[dim basalt]

playing Slayer there is pretty grief

[unreal mountain]

yeah, the change was stupid as fuck. Before , Slayer was perfect

[dim basalt]

Even before the change you wouldnt want to play Slayer at that key level though

[abstract sphinx]

Still feels nice to play until u look at your overall

I tried it in 17 tho

Dunno bout 18-19

[unreal mountain]

gj blizzard as usual

[latent moss]

i had like world 3rd 19 magisters as slayer

no skyfury 90k on 2nd boss

hello rng

[abstract sphinx]

Have you guys played slayer arms in mythic raid this week? I usually pug 3 mythic bosses and play fury cause it performs better but was wondering if i should play arms. Actually i play col arms in imperator, vor and chimaerus fury

[latent moss]

but now i wouldnt play it idk

[dim basalt]

Was it better than col though

[proper atlas]

You do well??

[abstract sphinx]

Goat

[latent moss]

for us ye

we had bad st

[dim basalt]

ah

[proper atlas]

I feel like fury is gonna get a buff

[abstract sphinx]

If you are doing well as warrior leave your group cause your group is shit

[latent moss]

not on overall ye

but i think on timer

it is a save

[abstract sphinx]

Bro legit slayer feeeeeels a lot better in algethar first pull so sad they nerfed it

Playing col there….. is an experience

[latent moss]

we don't do much on that first pack but we kill vile lashers quickly

way too softcapped

[dim basalt]

My cat is snoring louder than any human ever could, pls nerf

[abstract sphinx]

I was roasting my devourer dh friend for having pad dmg then I realized he did almost double my dmg on the lashers and stayed silent for the rest of the key 💀💀💀💀💀

To be fair tank was griefing me with his movement on puddles

[abstract sphinx]

Bro how impactful is the deep wounds bug? Do you have any idea

[latent moss]

fishy did some sims and i think it came out at 5.5% on 8t 5min

im not 100% sure tho

[dim basalt]

shorley fix today

[abstract sphinx]

Damm

[abstract sphinx]

Im saying man we need to cry like unholy DKs

[vapid pine]

tbf they lost like 30% or whatever

[abstract sphinx]

They had a whole funeral in the discord

[abstract sphinx]

Yo bro dont sabotage our agenda

[dim basalt]

We have a funeral every patch

Cuz they somehow make things worse

[abstract sphinx]

Not one blizzard employee attends 💀💀💀💀

[dim basalt]

[abstract sphinx]

Its so crazy they made us strong by mistake this season

[proper atlas]

Its true warrior always feels bad

They dont show us any respect

R u kidding

Let's buff dh

[abstract sphinx]

Feels quite good rn actually

Specially if your tank pulls some funnel for ST ❤️

[proper atlas]

Not in my 16s yet

Doing tank damage

[slow saddle]

I 100% dont thimk they planned 4p + fervor combo

[abstract sphinx]

U need to ask them for it

[slow saddle]

Eith revised apex tslent

[abstract sphinx]

They didnt plan shit bro they just vibing in the office 😂

[proper atlas]

Chat gpt as someone said lmao

[clever crag]

Seen that Pilav vid when he goes through raid logs lmao 0 warriors in top 100 all bosses

Just sad

[dim basalt]

Not a good metric to go by imo

[slow saddle]

I mean

Keep in mind we have

Council fight

Holy fuck nerf auf wtf

How can that not be our bis fight

Ok tbf we are reeealy clode

2 top better outcome than all othrr bosses🤣🤣

[vapid pine]

Roughly what's the prio for Wrecking Throw vs a shield, over MS?

[native niche]

Just send the throw outside of CDs active and if your might stacks wouldn’t fall off in that gcd

[clever crag]

How

[dim basalt]

Because of how many variables decide whether a spec is good on a fight or not

[clever crag]

There are almost all the specs in there

Except warrior

[dim basalt]

On paladins we would likely have some in the top 100 if more players played the spec

Dragons likely as well

If we just went for that metric then 90% of specs would be bad

[slow saddle]

Not rly

[dim basalt]

yes really

[slow saddle]

If shirley isnt there

🤣

We cooked

[clever crag]

They kinda fucked this by making the game easier by default

Less skill expression = gear and rng matters most

[slow saddle]

And aug as top dps

[dim basalt]

Skill matters as much as before

[slow saddle]

With dh

[clever crag]

Lmao no it doesnt

[slow saddle]

U always needed luck

[clever crag]

Skill is now your uptime

[dim basalt]

Doing a rotation has never been hard and has never been an issue

[clever crag]

But it always was

[latent moss]

100%

[dim basalt]

Making decisions is what makes or breaks your dps

[clever crag]

So rogue going from excel spreadsheet to 2 buttons is the same ? 😂

[dim basalt]

This becomes very apparent when playing M+

[dim basalt]

[latent moss]

axaxxaxx

[viscid fossil]

[dim basalt]

Today I can finally push again, surely +100 rio

[latent moss]

i havent played

high keys in like

2 weeks atp

cooked schedule for everyone gg

[dim basalt]

Im lowkey ready to not join the guild Im trialing for and push M+ instead

Feels way less stresful

lol

[latent moss]

eh idk

[swift flame]

you got friends to push with ????

[latent moss]

both are stressful asf

[swift flame]

otherwise u aint gonna be stressin less

[dim basalt]

In pugs Im just chilling

Finding a good guild as warrior sucks balls

In current tier

[latent moss]

wait for end of tier

[hasty pumice]

stjpa can you give me aa, mc and nexus 20?

[latent moss]

when everyone is on farm

then they are willing to trial

[dim basalt]

tmr bud

[hasty pumice]

[dim basalt]

Im trialing for a WR 500 guild but I didnt know they still suck this much

[latent moss]

nexus is free

20

[clever crag]

Why would you take warrior now

[latent moss]

wr 500

[hasty pumice]

then let me in

[latent moss]

classic

[hasty pumice]

I'm at 3850 rio and cant get in

[dim basalt]

Taking 1h for a dragons reclear because people cant soak glooms

[latent moss]

classic

[dim basalt]

xd

[hasty pumice]

pain

I cant get into MC20

[latent moss]

arms is like

top 2 specs

in mc and pos

comp doesnt even matter in those keys

just get an arms and pull funnel

[dim basalt]

mc goated dungeon

[hasty pumice]

let me in then

its always just dev DH / DK / demolock

[latent moss]

i havent played in 2 weeks lil gup

m+ that is

[rancid robin]

Feel u i just had to do around 20 AA try to have resi 19 x)

take me 3 days because no one take arms

[latent moss]

pugging 20s moment

[rancid robin]

Also i was seeing other arms being take while when i check only 2 war on EU was needing this key with higher RIO than me. I'm a complotist and i think they were tipping to get in xd

[hasty pumice]

ye im psure once I'm done with resi 20 it'll die

cause 21/22 is kinda the premade groups or friends key zone

for now

[dim basalt]

whats your char called

[rancid robin]

Guergen

Archimonde i believe

[latent moss]

some 21s are doable in pugs i think

but i think damage intake too high not to coordinate defensives idk

not for us ye cause u can just dstance and never take any damage ever

[rancid robin]

Atm with our bug 21 it feels like we're a bit light on dps

[hasty pumice]

ye but even a premade group I watched with feraldruid and alex

failed PoS21 because of one death on the last ice elemental

[dim basalt]

Biz about to time seat +21 yo?

[hasty pumice]

timer gets really tight

[latent moss]

i think title might be all 21s and 20 aa

[hasty pumice]

probably

[rancid robin]

Why the question tho ? ^^

[dim basalt]

Just curious

[rancid robin]

Oh ok lol

[latent moss]

actually i think

[dim basalt]

Wanna recognize the peeps in ladder

[hasty pumice]

I'm surprised I'm that high rio like

[latent moss]

some 21s and rest 20s

[hasty pumice]

how did that happen

[latent moss]

makes more sense

[rancid robin]

Haha

I loose sooooo much place on the leaderboard cuz of this AA sadly x)

[dim basalt]

Youre just goated

[rancid robin]

But now resi 19 time to grind again

[latent moss]

aa is gonna be 20 for sure tho

that shit mega cbt

[hasty pumice]

I was nobody last season

feels good man

[latent moss]

i gained

12 ilvl

since my last key

btw

[rancid robin]

I'm """"used"""" to be topladder as arms but there is more competition on arms leaderboard this season so it feel good !

[rancid robin]

Couple of people recognize me cuz i got lucky and was on zmug stream on a key

[latent moss]

xd

[rancid robin]

It get me invite in a couple of 19 haha

[hasty pumice]

dude is rocking those 10s

[latent moss]

ong

[hasty pumice]

mdi speedruns

[latent moss]

i think its gonna be 21s and like aa 20 for title

maybe 1 more 20

skyreach maybe? but idk skyreach is w/e

just a lot of dmg taken on bosses

[vapid pine]

We'll get quite some more gear too, 298 wep + trinkets etc. Might go even higher

[proper atlas]

With boost turbo

Its gonna go up

[wary raft]

surely at least 1 key level gained on most keys w/ the 298

[latent moss]

ye i mean top groups will be timing 22s some 23s

but title cutoff will be 21s

[wary raft]

oh I see I misunderstood

[latent moss]

i dont think u can go higher than that tho

[hasty pumice]

ye we're missing like 7 more average ilvl

• the 3 298 slots

so at least 1 key level and maybe another half

[latent moss]

unless u stack giga defensvie specs idk

[hasty pumice]

also I'm confident that AA will get another nerf

the dungeon is not in line in the slightest with the other ones

not even close

[latent moss]

yep

[vapid pine]

Most people already do with DK, DH +1 no?

[latent moss]

idk i saw dh run out of defensives in 22s

[hasty pumice]

seat timer vs AA timer

[latent moss]

supreme

[flint cloud]

War buff maybe？

[latent moss]

even dk was struggling in 22 pos

but i think they just didnt play well

[hasty pumice]

I think the only acceptable buff for warrior at this point is mortal strike

[latent moss]

but garfrost stomp was destroying them

[hasty pumice]

cause everything else would kinda break the class rn

[vapid pine]

Surely more stam from ~8 ilvls or whatever helps that too no?

[latent moss]

wait

farover

timed world first 22 pos

hoooooooly

[flint cloud]

i hope bliz buff arms and prot

[vapid pine]

Def stance meta 👀

[latent moss]

wild how

insanely tanky

warriors are

ehrps in the 22

[hasty pumice]

yup

[latent moss]

he doesnt even have to dstance much

6.13% uptime

i think u only have to dstance on

[wary raft]

I miss my lucky vault 12% avoidance + 10% dr from vers last tier on fury

[latent moss]

garfrost stomp

[hasty pumice]

damn outlaw rogue pretty tanky too

[latent moss]

classic outlaw

[hasty pumice]

assa is super squishy

so this is funny to see

[sand prairie]

is it just me or does the more cdr for demolish do basicly nothing? i either fuck up linies or have to hold it like 15 seconds its just a mess

[latent moss]

don't hold it 15s

[hasty pumice]

it does sth

[latent moss]

if cs is 10s away just send it

[hasty pumice]

you justn eed to know when its good to use

case by case

[latent moss]

love gaining complexity

in the expansion of pruning

[sand prairie]

it just feels even worse than before

[latent moss]

we lost the giga convoluted st rota

to get the convoluted demo usage

[wary raft]

assuming no downtime u can get 2 demos for every cs

[vapid pine]

This idea is just "if more than 10s on CS, send" and not like "if you expect to spend rage to reduce the CD to 10s, so in reality like 15s" right?

[wary raft]

send with cs then once in between

[hasty pumice]

yeah but if ravager is coming up with CS

you might wanna hold to get demolish on top of ravager BEFORE the triple cleave

[sand prairie]

dont know how u do that but i dont get 2 demos in one cs, its most likely barely stacked when cs runs out

[hasty pumice]

cause thats your highest damage window

[wary raft]

im not talking about the duration

im talking about the cd

[sand prairie]

ah

missread that

But even than im more like 1.5 than 2 per cs

[latent moss]

just 10s

once u get 10 stacks of cm

demo has no cd

[wary raft]

ru pressing op > ms or something

yeah once @ 10 stacks it comes back fast

[sand prairie]

Im priotizing ms and cleave mostly its back to 10 stacks after first cs runs out and than depends, my 2nd demo gets ready at like 15 of CS

[latent moss]

ye just send it there

u will get it back in cs window

[sand prairie]

yea but sometimes not thats my concern

[latent moss]

get more crit idk

im at 39% i get it back always

[rose matrix]

I hold if it's at 10 seconds

15+ I send

[sand prairie]

im at 1250 crit and 1050 haste i dont think there is a stat problem

[hasty pumice]

stfu

https://tenor.com/view/despair-cat-smoke-cat-ai-meme-gif-3394097129679706340

[sand prairie]

But ty guys for help maybe i jsut have to get to used to it

[rose matrix]

10 seconds on cs is a few globals and I rather the entire buff from demolish be in CS at that point

[vale cradle]

Sometimes i get demo back before the cs debuff even falls off main target

[hasty pumice]

happens a ton in AoE

[dreamy sandal]

Question, if I invite an aug specifically to bost my parse in a key, do the extra aug dmg actually impact my parse?

Or does it just reflect back to the aug and my parse in unaffected by his input?

Asking for a friend

[feral breach]

Not directly, the extra damage gets attributed to him

[full widget]

cant they bake rend into some random ability its so aids having to cast it

[latent moss]

idk why cleave doesnt apply it

if iww applies it for fury slayer

and thane tc

[viscid fossil]

bc its iconic 🙂

[feral breach]

[full widget]

cleave 100% should apply it

or CS

[sand prairie]

so its normal to be 20% behind UH for us now?

[vapid pine]

Almost everything is reattributed to the Aug evoker in logs, reported errors can be found here: https://gist.github.com/ljosberinn/a2f08a53cfe8632a18350eea44e9da3e#warrior

[slow saddle]

Yes? Uh is fixxed🤣

[fresh spire]

Fixed

Nerfed tonight for sure

[slow saddle]

Can we please

[fresh spire]

Unholy aoe is insane

[slow saddle]

Discuss how ddh is best on every single fight

And if aug is above is coz he auged ddh

[light dirge]

is colossus smash a frontal cone?

i thought it was a big dumb circle arouns us?

[dreamy sandal]

Ok, thanks a bunch!

[dim basalt]

Its a circle very, very slightly in front of us

iirc

[light dirge]

my head hurts

shapes are hard man

[slender sonnet]

Anyone got a good addon for tracking kicks

in m+

[inland drift]

like how much did your team kicked in general or?

[rancid willow]

I love how they killed weakauras so now we need to install 20 diff addons

[olive nest]

Made the game less accessible unironically lmao

[rancid willow]

The world first guilds find workarounds anyway

With their custom programmers

[olive nest]

Now I have to configure 5 addons to have the exact same outcome that one addon did with some import codes off a website

[rancid willow]

Yup.

[rancid willow]

Let’s allow addons for 20+ years

Then all of the sudden, they care

[bleak arrow]

They should allow a WOW+ subscription that lets me have the previous API and addon availability.

[rancid willow]

Like, I loathe the base UI. If they took away Elvui, I’d stop playing completely

[flat willow]

and still no way of having nameplates not dance on your screen on big pulls

[rancid willow]

Platynator does ok

[flat willow]

good luck if you didn't focus the mob you have to interrupt before the pull

[rancid willow]

Wish it had target scaling like plater

[olive nest]

Yeah totally.. the direction they chose to go with this is just bad but wcyd

[rancid willow]

I do think spell tracking got out of hand

For PvP

[flat willow]

I got platynator as well and even if it's fine most of the time, if for some reason I have to kick the arcanist on pit of saron, or the terror on the 30 mobs pull in terrace

well it's more luck than anything else

[rancid willow]

The scaling would help imo

[flat willow]

and it's amazing cuz nameplates were perfectly fine before the expansion

who the hell complained about nameplates

[warped ether]

What bothers me to my core is the fact that I can’t see what spell got reflected

[rancid willow]

lol right?!

[warped ether]

And most of the times it doesn’t even show how mich damage it did

[vapid pine]

Most functionality could be used as workarounds for shit they wanted to block, so unlucky

[warped ether]

And how much Ilvl my party has on details

[vapid pine]

Surely they either nuke it all next patch or open shit up again

No way we're stuck in this shitshow forever, right?

[flat willow]

not forever

but 2-4 years wouldn't surprise me

[olive nest]

I’d assume they are full on committed to this garbage

[marsh thistle]

is there any guide on what to craft once you have a mythic weapon to still have 2 embellished items

[olive nest]

Yeah you will want arcanoweave lining on cloak and wrist’s ideally

Depending on your gear and crests available swapping from hunt weapon + arcano to 2x arcano it may be a dps loss

I couldn’t swap to 289 weapon until this week because 2x Arcano kept simming as a downgrade

Once I had enough hero crests to make my second Arcano item 272 it was a gain to swap

Rejoice

[rancid willow]

Yup

[old glacier]

Okay getting two demolishes in one CS feels a little good.

[vivid fox]

Fervor of battle still bugged?

[thick kelp]

yes

[reef glade]

fix by tomorrow please

[slate niche]

[exotic horizon]

after update 12.0.5 do all dungeon we go Closus or there are some dungeon that slayer do better on ?

[nova marsh]

Realistically I think it's about the same, but it's pretty viable now to just play colo full time

[floral tide]

I think Biz has a new build with better colo ST which pretty much makes colo the go to for all M+

[olive nest]

They realized the bug was a nice sly way to keep arms down 6% in aoe without the blue post back lash

[sacred zodiac]

important character spotted

exists -> dps warrior is played in rwf

is a memory -> dps warrior irrelevant for rwf

curious?

[reef glade]

[hybrid needle]

Please tell me this is a bug that will still give me a myth trach piece ?

[thorn stream]

you would need to kill 2 myth bosses for that

[olive nest]

Well, that’s a raid slot and you only killed heroic bosses so that is correct ilvl

[hybrid needle]

wasnt it 1, 4, 6

[lean geode]

2

[hybrid needle]

damn

[olive nest]

Go pug mythic aver

Very easy boss

[hybrid needle]

i dont have any myth kills aside from chimaerus. Impossible to get in a group, esp as dps warr

[pulsar frost]

Not true

I've gotten into first 2 void easily without kills a bit ago

[hybrid needle]

you must be playing in na

[swift crown]

It's such a great post considering the state of DPS Warrior for that raid

[olive nest]

[pulsar frost]

I am NA

Wouldn't think eu would be any different

[latent moss]

i mean warrior isnt bad

on early bosses

i topped on all 3

in a pug

and ure not pugging dragons anyway

[swift crown]

I can top first 3 on a tank class in a pug

[olive nest]

Lmao

Warrior is fine

[latent moss]

ye but he is also pugging

well by warior

i mean arms

[olive nest]

True

Arms owns

Should play that

[latent moss]

how is arms so low on vorasius what the helly

gg

[swift crown]

[olive nest]

Actually so criminal too

[latent moss]

[olive nest]

We should own at vorasius

[latent moss]

if we didnt

sim 30% less

on st

we would

[olive nest]

When is it going to become the community norm to have your arms warrior glued to the boss

Fix it blizzard

[nova marsh]

it wasn't before in DF?

[latent moss]

sl u were boss dam bot

[olive nest]

Ye peak

[latent moss]

but tbf u could

burst pretty hard on aoe

with aftershock

and bs

[rustic reef]

frevor of battle still bugged

[pulsar frost]

Yes

[reef prairie]

Thanks for the update

[cedar cairn]

Has anyone taken Biz’s st build for a spin?

[pulsar frost]

I've tried it once in academy

It seemed fine decent bird ST but aoe is decently lower

[nova marsh]

whelp

I regret not just playing 20s

[reef prairie]

I played it in 1 19 AA and we were super ahead on time until a fucked up misery skip and died to echo knights

Decently noticeable st gain

[soft peak]

which is the best to run?

wowhead one?

[nova marsh]

For what

[soft peak]

m+ aoe

[nova marsh]

yeah wowhead is fine

Bro apparently I should just give up

Can't even get a +14 together

[soft flower]

is there a good way to set up a reminder to apply and re-apply rend? i use BCDM and it has an icon if I have it applied but I was looking for something that's maybe better to track if anyone got anything

[pulsar frost]

bro you good?

[pulsar frost]

i just use cdm, and plater has debuffs on its plates

[soft flower]

yeah i do the same, i got platynator and bettercooldownmanager but i wanted something to shout at me if I miss rend

[nova marsh]

no

I've been here for an hour lol

[pulsar frost]

hour forming or applying to 14?

[nova marsh]

Forming

[pulsar frost]

dont think either should take that long

bro

[nova marsh]

I KNOW

[vital zinc]

put an audio alert on rend for pandemic

[pulsar frost]

what you doing lmao

[nova marsh]

This is insanity

[pulsar frost]

can form a 14 in like 1 min

[nova marsh]

Not getting a single person to que

[soft flower]

good shout

[pulsar frost]

with how much people apply

[nova marsh]

that's what

[pulsar frost]

smh

bro how low are you

[nova marsh]

2.7k. I just have the key lol

[pulsar frost]

hm 2.7k on a 14 is kinda low for lots of folks

[nova marsh]

This is what I get for not one tricking a single toon

[pulsar frost]

get someone to list the key with above 3k

ez pz

[nova marsh]

WTF

I COMPLAIN

AND GET A GROUP IN 5 MINUTES

[pulsar frost]

complaining is the way to go for everything

my guild doesnt understand me tho

[nova marsh]

I was literally typing to ask if shammy or rogue wanted to take lead

then a tank shows up

[lunar acorn]

is cleave still always higher prio than ms in aoe ? Outside bl i feel like i have to prio mortal strike more to get double demolish in one cs window

because ms makes demolish come up faster than cleave

[warped owl]

Cleave at 3+ t

Highest prio

[pulsar frost]

cleave do be your highest damage ability in aoe

but its not hard to weave MS in with cleave

since both cleave and ms will go onto cd anyways

[warped owl]

^^

[lunar acorn]

kk thanks

[pulsar frost]

but can always just weave and MS for the stacks, not sure its realyl a dps loss to click MS before cleave at times to get demo stacks

but cleave is prio

[fiery berry]

on 2t cleave or MS prio?

[vital zinc]

yes

[pulsar frost]

2t is MS/op, then cleave with 3 stacks

[wet maple]

Damn you guys do more than just click the glowy button?

[fiery berry]

3 stacks?

[pulsar frost]

ye idk what its called, starts with C

forgot name

[pulsar frost]

glowly button is bad on arms tho, fury its not as bad but this season its bad since fury has 5 light up buttons

[fiery berry]

colossus smash?

[pulsar frost]

no

[pulsar frost]

ye that thingy

ik icon not name

[fiery berry]

just cleave with that?

[severe frost]

thats when cleave turns into glowy button

[pulsar frost]

ha jokes on yall i dont play with glowly buttons on

[urban magnet]

For 2 targets I wouldn't use cleave until you have 3 stacks, beyond 3 targets its irrelevant, just a passive bonus for cleave

[vast helm]

frevor of battle still bugged

[pulsar frost]

yes

[hybrid needle]

Yes, still bugged

[fiery berry]

Ok thanks i try vanguard on myth with my guild but i have too low dmg

i think cuz i have low dmg

i use cleave when i dont have ms

[pulsar frost]

look at the rotation lists, when its 2 targets you use the single target rotation with sweeping strikes, when its 3 targets you use the multitarget rotation list on wowhead

[fiery berry]

Ah ok

[slow saddle]

This

[fiery berry]

thanks u very much bro

[slow saddle]

And blame ranged / tanks if its stacked poorly🤣

[fiery berry]

ahhaah

[slow saddle]

Is it just me or best tank meta is brew

But causes a big fat lack of tanks

[pulsar frost]

like 80% of tanks this season is brew

all i see in keys is brew

[slow saddle]

Y and theres fewer of em

Esp 10-13 range is rough

[pulsar frost]

ye since the majority of tanks aren ow in higher keys

a month or so ago tanks in 10-13 was fine since most folks was still there

not anymore tho

[slow saddle]

Its more

In gen a low pop class

[pulsar frost]

even the more worse players are getting into 10s now

is a rough time