Tbh solar flare suprisingly good for col
#arms
icy mulch
Meh, I log in to help some friends with their stream. The occasional push key. Not keen on the expac so not spending a lot of time in game.
slow saddle
Ah y
Ngl i do not rly like the raid so far
Its anti melee in a.. hmm dno how to express
I just feel like i have no agency
Havent done dragons yet though so early 2 complain
dim basalt
It doesn't get better, don't worry
sudden owl
it gets much, much worse
untold pewter
I find the new demolish cdr confusing as heck on paladins
Think I'll just do what I was doing last week
wintry scroll
do u guys have the same bug where ts is bugged
even if it's on current it says overall
thick kelp
yep
dreamy sandal
Anyone happen to have an addon that shows your Combat pot duration? Cant seem to see that in Arc UI
tawny thorn
I still it doesnt give a lot of crit
Wdym ? When sitting on 1k2 its 20%
dreamy sandal
Aight thanks guys
tawny thorn
But guidon is a usable
wintry scroll
yea i had myth version of that skyreach trink and the hero trink from vora was still better btw
so it sucks
pale agate
is fervor of battle fixed yet ?
wintry scroll
i simmed
tawny thorn
is fervor of battle fixed yet ?
no
tawny thorn
Only 2 usable for us is sadge
wintry scroll
wait until 13.0
tawny thorn
One is haste, fuck it
untold pewter
is fervor of battle fixed yet ?
tawny thorn
And pouzzlebox sucks
icy mulch
lol, they got that vibe coding going on.
slow saddle
I think egg is every 2m
slow saddle
lol, they got that vibe coding going on.
Y ai just need to learn
wintry scroll
i use it in m+ it's good enough
slow saddle
Warrior bis
slow saddle
i use it in m+ it's good enough
Id rather die tbh
2seconds cast in oulls
If its rdy
tawny thorn
it is nice
yeaaa kinda sucks compared to DF S1
slow saddle
Mid pull with cds as they are
tawny thorn
But yea, thats the biggest BONK trinket
slow saddle
Only time puzzle is fine is when u can send it prepull
If not id wager its suuper arkward
wooden lava
Have u guys been getting cata charges from M+?
I haven't gotten shit in 4 dungeons
can't catalyze my gear
safe torrent
didn't get shit from 10 dungeons then got 3 in a row
wooden lava
my fkn donkey shaman is missing a spark and now i cant get cata charges
homeless blue class
muted notch
How do you guys deal with desynced cd? Should Demolish be held for CS no matter what? Do you just hope that ravager comes off cd same time as others or do you hold it and for how long?
ashen salmon
I just had a warlock do 40k dps in my dungeon
tawny thorn
Demolo on CD
in AOE
I mean, use your brain, if CS is 5s away wait but above 10/15 send demolo
In ST, line demolo with CS
muted notch
ok nice
tawny thorn
The goal is to send as much Double Ds as possible
As long as you keep hitting in AOE, you'll pretty much always have Double Ds
muted notch
double ds?
tawny thorn
2 demolo in 1 CS window
But don't hold demolo in AOE, it's our only deep wound AOE applier now
muted notch
ah ok
tawny thorn
In AOE, Demolo CS is like 10s to 15s
As soo as you reach 10 stacks, you pretty much have demolo back in 5-8s
But it change our gameplay quite a bit compared to pre 0.5
safe torrent
am i tripping or did cleave not apply deep wounds?
safe torrent
didn't check patch notes, bug or intended?
mortal crag
slow saddle
Col dont care as much coz the buff to demo cdr carries loss in mass aoe
deft bluff
Surely we het like, real love, next hotfix/patch
They are working hard on fixing us
Right?
ashen salmon
didn't check patch notes, bug or intended?
Check the annoucements - I believe it is a bug
deft bluff
they have devs that plau warrior, right
muted notch
how do you achive double ds? use smash and then demo and spam cleave trying to reduce the cd to use it again?=
safe torrent
they have devs that plau warrior, right
historically, one of the devs was cucked by a warrior main so we've been shafted ever since 
safe torrent
Check the annoucements - I believe it is a bug
i see ty
vapid goblet
historically, one of the devs was cucked by a warrior main so we've been shafted...
we where good for the entire of last xpac
in raid atleast
safe torrent
damn i picked a bad time to return
safe torrent
yea i'm doing well in m+ but the single target is less than desirable
scenic cedar
how i can check my cd on trinket? and should i use burst on proc this trinket or nvm?
safe torrent
my gear aint great im only 275 but when my ww pal sims over 100k and beats me on AOE it's sad
vapid goblet
how i can check my cd on trinket? and should i use burst on proc this trinket or...
used to be a weakaura for that stuff now idk
fuck blizzard
scenic cedar
yeah i know, wa is off now :c
ionic mica
how i can check my cd on trinket? and should i use burst on proc this trinket or...
you just play and if it procs, cool
mild sierra
how i can check my cd on trinket? and should i use burst on proc this trinket or...
dont think about it, equip it and forget it exists
scenic cedar
but i dont see proc. if proc this trinket is close -> i should use burst on proc. for example mortal strike have prior when i have proc i suppose. mortal strike crits remove cd on my Demolish
vapid goblet
its not a factor
lirly wrong
mild sierra
lirly?
vapid goblet
yes
100% worth to hold if you need to wait like 5 seconds and you wont get an extra cd set of
you only get X amount of cds per boss
dim basalt
unh dk sims like 110k
I haven't seen a good uhdk yet lol
mild sierra
you are tripping
that is not how you plan your cds
this isnt classic where you wait for a trinket proc
or plan them
pale agate
guys, how do u sim for arms colossus for m+ ?
scenic cedar
guys, how do u sim for arms colossus for m+ ?
patchwerk 5 bosses
dim basalt
guys, how do u sim for arms colossus for m+ ?
Patchwerk with higher target count
safe torrent
dungeon slice no good?
dim basalt
Dslice is not maintained atm
Wouldn't change much anyway
Realistically just do ST sims and call it a day
safe torrent
Fight length 5 mins?
safe torrent
I guess simming M+ is fairly irrelevant anyway
dim basalt
For us yes
olive nest
Hit that 1 in a million sim number xddd
safe torrent
I'm probably not going to raid this tier so I haven't bothered with ST sims at all
olive nest
(Maybe the 2% buff?)
dim basalt
Gear is generally the smallest factor when it comes to dealing more dps
safe torrent
How so? What are the bigger factors
dim basalt
Good gameplay and a good tank
safe torrent
I thought MH ilvl was the biggest
olive nest
safe torrent
Good gameplay and a good tank
oh well yea lol
dim basalt
ilvl yeah, stats don't matter as much
safe torrent
funnel on bosses though?
dim basalt
Oh that ye
safe torrent
that's the main thing my tank does for me
dim basalt
At some point it should always be done though
safe torrent
for time save?
safe torrent
ah yea ofc
latent moss
Hit that 1 in a million sim number xddd
classic
safe torrent
Are your groups pulling pit in 10 pulls total?
pretty much
latent moss
Tbh with current iteration you cant really pull for Arms
idk what is there to pull around
arms has 2 sets of main cds
every pack
xdd
dim basalt
Ravager I guess but that's whatever
latent moss
i guess
dim basalt
Though a bad MC route that fucks Rav timing sucks balls
Can say that much
In other dungeons it often lines well
olive nest
Speaking of MC.. bro.. I had this tank pull like 6 bears 4 eagles like 8 trolls and a mammoth as a first pull that was sick
dim basalt
And you lived?
olive nest
Only 15 so ye
dim basalt
Ah
indigo quail
Is our bug fixed yet?
dim basalt
No
vast helm
i just found that distance i can rend but i cant charge.
jolly goblet
quick question in aoe, MS on cd? or 2 stacks from overpowered first?
jolly goblet
oh maybe i play some bad talent then 😄
vapid sable
am I destined to feel like a literal turd forever on ST in the M+ build
abstract sphinx
any1 can confirm
if bonus roll working properlly
before i reroll +18 pit and have to do 18 over and over again for reroll
jolly goblet
if i do m+ and we got a big mob, i use smash, i spam cleave? or just ignored it
echo geode
for this st - execute priority, does it start at 20% or 35%? colossus
without the execute talents
like m+ build
vapid sable
yeah bonus rolls are are fixed @abstract sphinx
cinder verge
it's suboptimal to use a heroic strike override macro in 3+ targets because i shouldnt be manually hitting heroic strike right?
vivid ermine
Do we still player slayer in keys? or is collusus much better?
dim basalt
it's suboptimal to use a heroic strike override macro in 3+ targets because i sh...
Yes
strange comet
Most will tell you to play what you like. Colossus tends to be better in m+ aoe. There is a new build floating around that helps it not be below the tank in st too
vivid ermine
Most will tell you to play what you like. Colossus tends to be better in m+ aoe....
Thanks i'll check it out
its indeed boring to battle with tank on boss 😛
strange comet
Biz has a video on the talent swap in a +20 2 days ago
Speaking of abysmal ST damage. Casual guild just got our aotc last night, and holy hell my DPS on L'ura sucked. Being arms and running crystals basically made it look like I was griefing
silk dove
the bug on deep wound is fixed or not actually ? ( with the slam of cleave )
dim basalt
the bug on deep wound is fixed or not actually ? ( with the slam of cleave )
Still bugged
silk dove
k ty
dim basalt
It obviously is
slow saddle
i mean yes
but if u want something fixxed
shouldnt it be announced as a bug
not a "feature"! 😄
dim basalt
Archi did message devs about it
Would be a shame if it doesn't get fixed at all
Because its not unsignificant
untold pewter
Surely the AI has checked the code and judged it working as intended
clever crag
Speaking of abysmal ST damage. Casual guild just got our aotc last night, and ho...
Dont play arms on that boss
Its so bad
Crown of cosmos is good tho
Chimaerus also terrible for arms
Those 2 are tailored for fury
umbral badger
first run in nexus got me the ring and the first 2 runs in pit got me the neck and the weapon
clever crag
Id say vanguard and Beloren peak arms
clever crag
Myth ?
strange comet
Yea I know. I switched from fury gear, reforged, gemmed, etc for m+, figured it would be better. Was wrong
clever crag
I got 6 myth pieces this week lol
umbral badger
yea but what's hte point with crest cap xd
radiant moon
will they remove crests cap ?
its week 5* of the season, they will not soon tho
umbral badger
are they gonna remove this shit cap
umbral badger
so basically we are just collecting bis gear for show 😄
oh yes but usually they remove it at some point
just not sure when
bright ginkgo
If they didn't have cap the community would be even more separated then it already is
radiant moon
yeah, ppl who grind 16 hrs a day would be fully done
viscid oracle
how is everyone else simming for m+? i judt do patch work 5 targets at 2.30
bright ginkgo
Yep
clever crag
Ive done 2 myth bosses and Im 281
umbral badger
If they didn't have cap the community would be even more separated then it alrea...
again they always remove the cap at some point, which is what i am asking about :p
radiant moon
if you have other commitments you would never get to grps
umbral badger
not saying they should remove it:p
clever crag
Im geared like big mythic raiders with close to 0 effort
umbral badger
just to plan my upgradie proccess but if they did not announce it's whatever
bright ginkgo
Ah yea, the turbo-boost happens 2 months in? Or something like that
I cant recall if its a set date
radiant moon
just to plan my upgradie proccess but if they did not announce it's whatever
usually happened during turbo boost
not sure if we are getting that given the forge thing
umbral badger
the forge thing is just like having the legendary cloak for example "not saying they are same power"
so i don't think that matters
clever crag
Weapon>trinket>main pieces>off pieces> jwlery always the same bruh
radiant moon
the forge thing is just like having the legendary cloak for example "not saying ...
9/10 ivlvls on weap and trinkets is huge
clever crag
I know
radiant moon
worst worst case 3 kills
clever crag
I rather rolled 4x PoS tho
sacred zodiac
isnt it like 4 weeks for the turbo amp and you have 3 weeks to roll for gaze
radiant moon
sim it
clever crag
W/e the name is
radiant moon
hero gaze might sim higher
clever crag
Its pure st and pretty bad one
radiant moon
ilvl on trinkets is not exactly right on power
gilded kraken
somehow i got on inv to hc on 260 alt
bonus rolled on 1st boss by accident instead of on vora
kms
radiant moon
for example hero sr trinket / heart is equal or better than myth puzzle box
thank god for that
copper swan
Fuck use 
radiant moon
Fuck use <:deadge:900279927138578432>
use is good if its not a chanel
you can boost ur cd windows
radiant moon
thats a good one yeah
radiant moon
Press and go
thats most trinkets 😄
fck gimmick trinks
alg chanel, kyveza instructions trinket
clever crag
Or draught of souls
clever crag
running for 30 sec pre pull
Lmfao
tulip gust
Cursed Stone Idol at least did damage and move while channeling so I didn’t mind that one tbh
clever crag
Cursed Stone Idol at least did damage and move while channeling so I didn’t mind...
That was cool one
radiant moon
low effort just do big dam
clever crag
In Legion there was this caster trinket that was absolutely broken for m+ if you got it on war lol
Did about as much dmg as your actual burst
radiant moon
yeah well the game is becoming too competetive so you cant have wacky stuff like that
clever crag
Shame you cant swap out gear mid run anymore
copper swan
legion trinkets 
clever crag
i heard about legion m+ tank speeed builds
Yeah before they nerfed all speed sets
Esports ruin everything
clever crag
I get invites into 13-15s but not 10s lol
slow saddle
3400 282 can get into the 16s
even th ones ive cleared
😄
obviously ONLY searching in the comps with melee // phys //shaman
radiant moon
welcome to LFG
clever crag
They know we are weaker
Out bugs gets fixed last
Just check number of parses lol
Arms war is like dead last
dim basalt
They know we are weaker
Cope
95% of LFG players couldn't tell you how Arms works in the first place
Spec has been dead for a long time, unrelated to our power
flat willow
arms is meta, it's like the 5th best dps spec in the game for m+ maybe 4th
the only thing holding arms back is that you need a resto shaman in your group
and shaman isn't druid
viscid fossil
the cope
flat willow
rogue isn't giving you anything
and everyone already has a monk
it's the only tank in the game
clever crag
Otherwise a lock/devo will shit all over you
dim basalt
And meta specs need magic comp lol???? The coincidence???
flat willow
so you need a shaman, that's what I said
viscid fossil
also ppl who only do weekly 10s need metacomp to get carried
dim basalt
Otherwise a lock/devo will shit all over you
Nah not really
viscid fossil
or thats what they think it feels like
getting into 10 pits with 280 took forver lol
dim basalt
All we need is genuinely just a sham
Everything else is a nice bonus
And as you get into higher keys you will see more physical / melee comps anyway
viscid fossil
you know whats a nice bonus? crez 
dim basalt
So?
gilded kraken
just buy cables xd
dim basalt
When you run a melee comp you must likely have a ret or feral in your group
viscid fossil
you just have to play around warrior and doing that for unknown pugs.. why bother
just invite dk or dh
flat willow
I mean yeah, that's the problem of warrior. Not being allowed to play without a shaman
a very specific problem
viscid fossil
so i dont fully disagree with it being meta but it doesnt help a lot
dim basalt
And on the other hand we are stupidly tanky which helps the healer a lot
viscid fossil
for general PR or warr
yeah but ranged just doesnt get hit with most shit in the first place
dim basalt
Neither does melee in most dungeons
flat willow
what stops people at the highest keys isn't the avoidable damage
dim basalt
Dungeons are quite melee friendly this tier
flat willow
it's the unavoidable one, which is why arms and unholy are so good in m+
dim basalt
Imo
flat willow
(pratically immortal)
dim basalt
Agree
viscid fossil
Dungeons are quite melee friendly this tier
thats true actually
flat willow
yeah it's a pretty good season for m+
now if only blizzard didn't decide to fuck addons for no reason
viscid fossil
and the imp BR is great
just gets rid of so much stuff lol
feels like having an ams
clever crag
I mean yeah, that's the problem of warrior. Not being allowed to play without a ...
Only spec that has this
Literally vanilla wow design
Windfury or accept drastically worse dps
And flow
stable cairn
I feel like my dmg should be higher, is my stats fucked? Do I need more mastery?
I simmed consumables and it told me to take crit flask but idk
soft peak
In tbc if i dont have shaman on my fury i dont do dps at all xd
Im almost full p1 bis in tbc and without shaman i do shit
clever crag
Yeah atleast its not THAT bad but still bad
You prolly wont parse without one
Especially as arms is like the least played spec so your competition are Critcakes and Bizenteins lol
Mr devo fotm reroll competes against 5000+ bozo parses
abstract sphinx
That explains why im hardstuck at 98 parses for dungs
clever crag
Yeah its kinda crazy
Even fury has like 2x the parses
Mainly in raid tho havent checked m+
abstract sphinx
kinda same for outlaw xd
i did mythic chimaerus on my outlaw rank 87 parse and i got a 82 lmao
rancid willow
I wish the game didn’t revolve around parses…
hardy crown
Where should i use my nebolous voidcore? i can kill myth vorasius and chima easy, have guild, yesterday i leveled a warrior im 200 ilvl and was thinking in using them to get ilvl fast
rancid willow
Was MUCH more enjoyable before everyone jerked off to numbers
rancid willow
Where should i use my nebolous voidcore? i can kill myth vorasius and chima easy...
Myth Chim for trinket. I believe it’s in the guide.
hardy crown
whats the best guide?
rancid willow
Wowhead
hardy crown
oki thx
vast hinge
timed a AA today where the DK did 60k dps more than me
I felt so embarrrassed lmao
DK sitting at like 220 I was 160k , 16 key with a Aug
vast hinge
Unfortunately I gotta pug all my keys my guild only plays with meta
lunar rune
For RSI ish ah people would you advice not trying Arms? Or is it okayish? Last played it like back in legion. From what I recall arms was the lower APM and fury the more spammy high APM. What's the status quo?
dim basalt
Unfortunately I gotta pug all my keys my guild only plays with meta
Pugging as Arms isn't that bad past a certain point
slow saddle
Pugging as Arms isn't that bad past a certain point
Only coz the chance of u actually gettin funnel is 0
slow saddle
Unfortunately I gotta pug all my keys my guild only plays with meta
keep in mind Phys meta seems to be almost as good
sacred zodiac
keep in mind Phys meta seems to be almost as good
arms will never be meta until it gets lust or something like that
slow saddle
arms is meta in phys comp though
sacred zodiac
not until it gets lust and a brez
slow saddle
i love the rage bait ❤️
reef glade
yes
if you rolled on something before 8pm pst Wednesday (blizzard time zone) you could still get those items again if ur unlucky
flat willow
https://www.wowhead.com/news/many-frost-mages-dislike-glacial-spike-and-icicles-...
Yooo my boy mages, welcome to the club
reef glade
but from now on any gear you get can’t be gotten more than once
flat willow
So nice for you to visit
You'll get out of combat stacks of glacial spike when colossus gets out of combat stacks of colossal might
Feels nice to share misery
fresh spire
many Arms warriors when?
me waiting to find a single class that acutally liked their changes in .5
umbral linden
some silly questions about colo
- (not only colo) do we rend like for rend itself when dealing with uncapped packs? initial damage of rend is uncapped too, if im not wrong, so why not use it like a pseudocleave, when there are like 25+-ish mobs?
- (colo) do we cleave in 2-target when 3 stacks of collateral?
reef glade
Slam dw would be cool if it worked
use it to keep up dot at all times but cleave should almost certainly do more dmg
and other buttons while not full aoe still prolly better to get like 4x demo cdr off mortal strike and op’s that have sort of uncapped dreadnaught dmg I think but at minimum can proc more mortal strikes
there prolly is a target count you could do that if you wanted just like too annoying to think about in normal rotation probably so doubt it’s ever really done
and would think cleave is like behind a swept slam/ms/op in prio but probably 4th in line on 2t since execute kinda sucks
although slam has no cd so ig you’d never hit it if you had the choice lol, but think just especially after deep wounds change slam big good 2target and cleave more bad
uneven minnow
I don't think I've ever had such an evenly split run
inner wasp
me waiting to find a single class that acutally liked their changes in .5
devourer is much nicer to level with the new talent
u get absolutely flooded with souls as long as stuff dies
change that effects all the people who level as devourer instead of havoc
so specifically me
radiant moon
many Arms warriors when?
for you brother
also more we cry the better the odds blizz listens 😄
halcyon valve
I don't think I've ever had such an evenly split run
perfectly balanced... as all things should be
radiant moon
perfectly balanced... as all things should be
they should hire yall to ballance the game
i bed you would do great
halcyon valve
certainly worth a try
wintry scroll
also more we cry the better the odds blizz listens 😄
that's what i keep saying
halcyon valve
either its going to lead to such horrendous bullshit that it will make wow content creators rich
or it will be fun
radiant moon
that's what i keep saying
we too chill tho, ignore pain too effective
despite arms not even talenting it
😄
radiant moon
i mean i cry every oportunity i get 😄 sadly i dont use twitter
wintry scroll
i don't think any warrior uses twitter
that's why dh and others get buffed
twitter andies
oblique jay
hey guys. Can someone help me?i started playin warrior, especially arms, this season, and im doing smt wrong. I feel like i miss out a lot of damage. I try my best with the rotation, and sometimes, i pump as i should, but sometimes i just dont deal damage
slow saddle
well
learn the cone of Cleave
and the line of OP helps a bit
then its just learning to align cds and shit m8
oblique jay
well, thats my problem, i dont do it perfectly obviously, but i do the rota pretty decently, i do it the same way, and sometimes i pop sometimes i dont
vast helm
Blizzard has acknowledged player feedback regarding Patch 12.0.5, so there's hope that they'll continue to listen in the coming weeks. We can just hope Frost Mage is on their radar.
for sure?
radiant moon
just keep on crying whenever it might be seen by ppl
some blizz person might see it and feel sorry
hybrid needle
This right here is how my ego gets boosted, until i see the next paladin
radiant moon
This right here is how my ego gets boosted, until i see the next paladin
we pretty ayt in m+
(unless you look at boss dps)
hybrid needle
pls dont mention bossdps. Crippling depression is what that causes
radiant moon
oblique jay
This right here is how my ego gets boosted, until i see the next paladin
what key is this mate
hybrid needle
that was a 16 seat
radiant moon
spooky noises no paaaad st boss encounter in m+ dung spooky noises
hybrid needle
did you top the meters tho
oblique jay
did you top the meters tho
nah, my friend plays devourerdh
in aoe i match him in singletarget i get humbled
hybrid needle
Ew, metaslave
dim basalt
devo is useless in a +12
oblique jay
devo starts at +12
dim basalt
Eh
Id say +16 or higher
Assuming proper group
Groups have so little hp in a +12 that you could prob 3-chest them with an afk dps
tender plaza
meanwhile arms players.. I think we're more than those mages
oblique jay
idk i dont know much competitively about the game since shadowlands but currently im 3300k rated at my frost dk 3.5 at my ench shami and 2.9 with dev dh i feel like from 12s you can do dmg
the warrior is sitting at 2.7 at the moment i try to push to 3.5 as well
ashen trout
although slam has no cd so ig you’d never hit it if you had the choice lol, but ...
yeah ive been sending cleave over OP in 2T with 3 stacks but i wonder if its even worth thinking about it lol
tender plaza
Just got kicked from a +10 because im playing Slayer, holy fkin dorks
hybrid needle
thats.. crazy
oblique jay
what drives me crazy im 270 iLvl with my wari and i get declined from 12's XD
ashen trout
Just got kicked from a +10 because im playing Slayer, holy fkin dorks
they're a knower fr
hybrid needle
Keep in mind some people need meta comps to play 10s. Not everyone is a good player
hexed inlet
Ya i have been in lots of failed 10s
hexed inlet
tanking youll get to bosses and dps wont do any of the mechanics
tender plaza
If that happens 1-2 more times, I'll wait for patch 13.0.0 fk this
oblique jay
i love when people who never ever had resi 16 or 17 only pushed to 13s act like ohh ur spec is not s tier on wowhead so decline
hexed inlet
like shades on krik will just blast
tender plaza
Bet if I was a 240 DH I would get in no problems
hybrid needle
You absolutely would, LFR is drowning in dev dhs due to meta specc
oblique jay
lovely innit
dim basalt
Eh, the rating doesnt even matter
Im above 3.6k and dont get invited to +12s either
Just deal with it
hybrid needle
disgusting. Just play meta
frail hearth
so is slayer for both arms and fury just dead in M+
oblique jay
my fav is that 90% of theese people never gonna hit 3k or push 16s but they cant accept the fact that they r bad
dim basalt
I mean people in 18s suck most of the time
So not like it matters what range we are talking about
frail hearth
im pretty sure im just bad 🙁
frail hearth
Does blizzard hate warriors?
dim basalt
ye
frail hearth
i was a lock and rogue main and never had this issue switched to a warrior this expac for something new and i think blizz seriously does not know what they are doing lol
verbal folio
yo any ideas why my simc import isnt working in raidbots, tried remaking the talent build ingame and still no dice
just always imports like this now
oblique jay
yup, played ench shaman since tbc never had an issue
frail hearth
i just think they hate warriors its pretty evident
hybrid needle
cleaveslam fix when
vast helm
Moratal wounds on BS and Ravager when
frail hearth
to busy on pallys and mages
vast helm
too busy on AI
tired sinew
my last boss wipe in MT was interesting.. was looking @ what killed me and i saw i took friendly stagger dmg.. LIKE How?
wind hatch
cleaveslam fix when
surely on reset 
nova marsh
my last boss wipe in MT was interesting.. was looking @ what killed me and i saw...
Did the tank die before you?
tired sinew
no i died 1st
nova marsh
Did the tank die at all?
frigid cipher
Thats how your brewmaster died. That death recap just shows what the last person that died died to
been bugged like that for a while
slender sonnet
syidk is gaming
sacred zodiac
why not 281?
halcyon valve
my last boss wipe in MT was interesting.. was looking @ what killed me and i saw...
Death recap has been bugged for a while now
It will show you the death recap of the last person to die, so across the pull you will see it change when someone else dies
warm zodiac
So, I tried Colo Arms for the first time. Trash DPS was great, consistently at like 275k or so
But man ST was cheeks
frail hearth
because of the kit it has. It is a pure funnel spec
frail hearth
But man ST was cheeks
if you funnel into boss you will be top dmg period
because you slam/heroric strike WAY more onto the main target at 50% more dmg
slender sonnet
blizz plz ban this syi person
bruh
tawny thorn
if you funnel into boss you will be top dmg period
while FoB is still bugged, our funnel isn't that great tho
warm zodiac
Like I def have room to improve, but my ST was 45k while my Trash was 275-300k
I'm stupid and read the wrong thing when looking at my ST
lone raft
whats the difference between the +15 difficulty craft and the +5 one
lone yarrow
meanwhile arms players.. I think we're more than those mages
I still can't find whirlwind in my spellbook as arms
lone raft
the quality on one is gold?
lone yarrow
whats the difference between the +15 difficulty craft and the +5 one
it's easier to craft -> more expensive due to regs to craft it
tawny thorn
I still can't find whirlwind in my spellbook as arms
Cleave replace it
lone yarrow
and afaik you can't 5* an item with a +15
lone yarrow
crafted items have quality, from tier 1 to tier 5 and that affects ilvl
if you want a 285 item you need to go for all max quality reagents and a +5 missive
if you're just messing about then it doesn't really matter do what you want
leaden garnet
Is FoB still bugged?
hybrid needle
if you mean the no bleed on slam crit, yes
leaden garnet
lone yarrow
at least we have only one and it's not that critical
lone raft
sorry im just confused with these scammers
thank you for the chart so go for the gold to higher quality stuff, yea I want to confirm max roll on it
warm zodiac
Yeah always get gold mats, essentially
lone raft
a good comission is 5k?
hybrid needle
Dont make a public order, chance is theres a random dude grabbing it without max crafting it
Find one in trade chat. 5k comission is fine
lone raft
ok I cancelled
ty
damn I cancelled but can't get my mats back?
maybe just mail time
tacit crystal
<@593536556472729602> why are you r2 with FOUR pi's
crazy im not allowed to get a rank 1 with 2 pis but this chud gets 4 and still loses
thick kelp
crazy im not allowed to get a rank 1 with 2 pis but this chud gets 4 and still l...
i am not even getting pi's
tacit crystal
why
thick kelp
Losing my mind with the amount of 1t I have to do
tacit crystal
oh dear
today i will be attacking the dragons
i have no idea how the fight works
thick kelp
you do 2 target damage and send damage on orbs
thick kelp
was
steep tree
frail hearth
speaking of frost dk. wish they were still god tier
dim basalt
speaking of frost dk. wish they were still god tier
both dps specs are 2 buttons whats the diff
frail hearth
both dps specs are 2 buttons whats the diff
tunning probably
wicked aurora
Out of curiosity any of you slayer bois in keys bothering to even try to hit MS with a blord proc over OP? Or you just full sending OP>MS?
reef glade
<@593536556472729602> why are you r2 with FOUR pi's
Other guy spoon fed boss uptime and 30 second faster kill time something something
frail hearth
Out of curiosity any of you slayer bois in keys bothering to even try to hit MS ...
slayer is dead in keys
reef glade
and simply give pi to the one who will make the most use of it on the boss no
wicked aurora
slayer is dead in keys
According to?
tacit crystal
According to?
the fact it does 0 aoe
frail hearth
🧐 bruh
wicked aurora
Define bad
tacit crystal
it does 0 aoe
thick kelp
and simply give pi to the one who will make the most use of it on the boss no
Yeah devourers innit
frail hearth
bad = not competitive
reef glade
Uh.. 2
reef glade
Yeah devourers innit
Cluegi
tacit crystal
swordish when applying to infinity again
cursive sun
wicked aurora
Idk man doing 140k+ overall in keys doesn’t feel uncompetitive /shrug
reef glade
You know what after seeing what they did to gillneas probably did me a favor saying no
frail hearth
Idk man doing 140k+ overall in keys doesn’t feel uncompetitive /shrug
vs the 160-170k you could be doing
reef glade
Yea 140k isn’t that crazy lol
I mean if ur owning like vault keys ofc play what u want
But like High key pushers that’s not gonna cut it
18s and higher type shit
wicked aurora
Overalls are highly dependent on tank anyways
slow saddle
I mean 16s its troll at 140
dim basalt
Its gonna cut if if 1 person carries like I did here
slow saddle
Well of they killed bosses
haughty gate
Its gonna cut if if 1 person carries like I did here <:keks:936231610850897992>
Show the boss dps right meow
frail hearth
Its gonna cut if if 1 person carries like I did here <:keks:936231610850897992>
thats more like it
dim basalt
Show the boss dps right meow
Dont have logs and this was from a run days ago
lone star
Hey. Trying to optimize for raid prog starting next week. Is it better to play fury or arms in raid?
tacit crystal
You know what after seeing what they did to gillneas probably did me a favor say...
🥀
frail hearth
But I did like 270k or so on the trio boss in seat
HOW THE FUCK??? lol
dim basalt
Good uptime because there wasnt one dumb person standing outside
frail hearth
HOW THE FUCK??? lol
i do 200 and im like "wow DAD LOOK!"
tacit crystal
But I did like 270k or so on the trio boss in seat
that boss without all cds at start is so shit
frail hearth
Good uptime because there wasnt one dumb person standing outside
regardless what trinkets did you use? Puzzlebox?
tacit crystal
i get trolled by my tank thinking we are killing off an adept and then we instantly pull the boss 2s after i send cs
dim basalt
regardless what trinkets did you use? Puzzlebox?
guidon and gaze
tacit crystal
guidon
frail hearth
I got gaze and heart of the wind and its alright
dim basalt
ye anything from 270k to 300k+ can happen
frail hearth
like overall after boss?
dim basalt
After boss
tacit crystal
but not when my tank is griefing me
frail hearth
like at the end its 270?
tacit crystal
something like that
dim basalt
Overall seat 185k is pretty decent but still far from whats possible I think
frail hearth
im dogshit its clear to me now
dim basalt
But the tank decides how much we damage we do
tacit crystal
i timed a seat 0 parsing
dim basalt
So 
dim basalt
Youre 19 resil right?
dim basalt
How does one not time WS
tacit crystal
5 deaths by a druid
dim basalt
lmao
tacit crystal
and 4 deaths on last boss
frail hearth
beautiful
tacit crystal
they just chain died for fun
dim basalt
NPX genuinely sucks tho
Always tank diff
In that dungeon you can just tell who only plays with ranged meta comp and who doesnt
dim basalt
You dont get insta invites in NA?
tacit crystal
dead region
frail hearth
i do sometimes
tacit crystal
0 keys man
dim basalt
Crazy
lone raft
dim basalt
I mean Im only doing 18s but invites are really quick
lone raft
what do u guys think
hard dragon
At what ilvl did you guys start doing like 160k-220k overall?
frail hearth
highest i have ever done was 160k at IL 278
hard dragon
So what you're saying is I'm not doing dmg because my tank sucks
hard dragon
I mean I notice it a lot, tank moving weirdly, not grouping well etc.
tacit crystal
also depends on key level
hard dragon
Pulling other packs after everyone pops cds
velvet vessel
do we send demolish on CS
frail hearth
Arms is also hard to master so dont feel bad
velvet vessel
or now we send on cD?
hard dragon
CS still
hard dragon
Arms is also hard to master so dont feel bad
I'm not having difficulty with the roation atp
dim basalt
On paladins holding is prob better
frail hearth
I'm not having difficulty with the roation atp
master arms is not about rotation. I learned from watching others that there is just so much they do right its crazy. idk. I find it hard but thats just me.
hard dragon
master arms is not about rotation. I learned from watching others that there is ...
Can you give examples?
wicked aurora
do we send demolish on CS
Seems like a good rule of thumb is if it has more than 10 seconds on CD send it
If it has less hold for CS
Contextual of course but not a bad place to start I don’t think
keen forge
yo, how are you guys surviving first pulls in seat? the chains wreck me, after cds i just pray for the healer to have me
wicked aurora
yo, how are you guys surviving first pulls in seat? the chains wreck me, after c...
Use berserker rage
keen forge
youre kidding
wicked aurora
No I’m not
austere sapphire
wicked aurora
Look at the fearless talent
keen forge
tbh not feeling slayer atm
spark mango
everything on slayer feels like wet noodle
wicked aurora
everything on slayer feels like wet noodle
Disagree tbh
Most everything feels fine on slayer
What doesn’t feel fine is Bladestorm
Bladestorm should do more in aoe
spark mango
on colossus, when i remove 2 aoe talents for 2 single target ones, i do near slayer st and more aoe
makes no sense to me to play slayer in any dungeon right now
midnight root
It really feels like they don’t want either spec playing slayer
spark mango
befor this update you would mortal strike a lot in aoe and it would extend Cs and give good prio damage
robust cypress
🙁 Crucible is back to simming higher than vora trinket https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hGYFhG323QByzgq9F2oSCJ
spark mango
now i'm playing slayer with oppurtunist and only fill with mortal strike
hard dragon
It really feels like they don’t want either spec playing slayer
Lets make hero specs and only one of the specs viable at a time
Blizzard gaming
marsh thistle
Hey guys quick question, if I have a 289 garfrost hammer should I get double embellishment on another piece?
wicked aurora
Which I mean BS kinda should fill but lol barely get above 300k when pressing my big button
Meanwhile everyone else goin to like 800k
spark mango
Genuinely slayer feels mostly fine
withi this logic every spec in the game feels fine, diffrence between worst and best is not enough to raise eyebrows in casual content
you can time up to 20 with slayer
wicked aurora
withi this logic every spec in the game feels fine, diffrence between worst and ...
Wut?
I’m pointing out that most of the toolkit feels fine and also pointing out where the problem is
midnight root
Real question is, do you think we would get a rework in a .1 patch like some other classes have gotten in the last 2 expacs?
That’s what I’m hoping for
spark mango
I’m pointing out that most of the toolkit feels fine and also pointing out where...
slayer is really not fine
specially in raid
rage management is ass and you cant do aoe without your rng
wicked aurora
slayer is really not fine
You’re willfully ignoring half of my statement
wicked aurora
Real question is, do you think we would get a rework in a .1 patch like some oth...
No because we don’t have a class dev
And haven’t for 2 expansions
stoic siren
How do you check which class has a class dev, is that information public? I doubt they would make something like that public
spark mango
You’re willfully ignoring half of my statement
Not really, even if bladestorm did more damage, the fact that its a big part of your single target damage and your only source of aoe and its on a rng cd is not fine
i got few procs on hc lu'ra today, i had to hold my bladestorm for 40 seconds to pad on the mobs
midnight root
i got few procs on hc lu'ra today, i had to hold my bladestorm for 40 seconds to...
This is so true
wicked aurora
How do you check which class has a class dev, is that information public? I doub...
Look at the classes that actually get changes and the ones who live with problems for 2 expansions
wicked aurora
It’s a meme brother and not a new one
midnight root
It’s been downhill since Nerubar imo
spark mango
slayer needs better rage managment and better aoe talents in raid build
hushed pine
Arms hasn't felt good since BfA but yall ain't ready for that conversation
hasty pumice
arms FEELS really good rn
midnight root
Isn’t BFA where we did all bleed damage lmao
wicked aurora
Arms hasn't felt good since BfA but yall ain't ready for that conversation
lol wat
Gotta be bait
wicked aurora
Unpopular opinion SL was one of the best versions of Arms, the biggest problem was simply that WFT was a party buff and not a raid buff
hushed pine
I feel it's only saving graces were Mortal Combo, Condemn, Enduring Blow and tier set bonus
I didn't play SL so I can't say much
midnight root
Lowkey he’s right
wicked aurora
Cleave should die, long live Storm of Swords WW
hushed pine
We had REALLY GOOD aoe in Legion
nova marsh
Unpopular opinion SL was one of the best versions of Arms, the biggest problem w...
Ngl any variant of arms that relies on WF to function sucks
hasty pumice
We had REALLY GOOD aoe in Legion
and now we have busted aoe
what are we cooking here
nova marsh
and now we have busted aoe
busted aoe but no st
wicked aurora
Ngl any variant of arms that relies on WF to function sucks
You didn’t rely on it to function tbf but it was a noticeable buff
hasty pumice
funnel is the answer my friend
hushed pine
And back then you didn't have to build up to do massive aoe
hybrid needle
My first mythic boss 
nova marsh
hot take
neon shale
whats top1% m+ looking like rn
wicked aurora
Also isn’t it ironic that we have charge weaving back in retail but no tools to properly track swings
wicked aurora
nova marsh
I don't think colo should have unplayable bad st if it can't funnel
hushed pine
Think about it. How many things do you have to line up to do massive aoe currently?
wicked aurora
I don't think colo should have unplayable bad st if it can't funnel
I mean is that even a hot take? I feel like this is just a bare minimum expectation
hasty pumice
whats top1% m+ looking like rn
EU
nova marsh
Legit colo is just barely acceptable
hybrid needle
ionic mica
I don't think colo should have unplayable bad st if it can't funnel
agreed, the various forms of funnel in recent seasons have all had at least solid damage in other areas, with funnel on top
neon shale
im at 3.5 rn
neon shale
.1 is crzy
spark mango
if someone asked me to choose a warrior spec to pug myself to title everry season i would choose fury
neon shale
dont hvae a solid team foor that
spark mango
arms is always gimmicky and reliant on team
neon shale
loco
wicked aurora
I want condemn back
hasty pumice
neon shale
massive penile
spark mango
dude in pug not only you dont get funnel, sometimes you lose colossus stacks aswell, i often charge into boss with die by the sword
spec feels like ass if you play the boss without stacks and funnel
nova marsh
if someone asked me to choose a warrior spec to pug myself to title everry seaso...
you wouldn't just be prot?
spark mango
i meant dps
hushed pine
Fury is more consistent because it doesn't have a million things trying to line up to do damage
You just send it
umbral badger
trying slayer in raid for the first time since 12.0.5 , i do feel like BS reseting changed a lot wit hthsi change
hushed pine
You just force it
Exactly
umbral badger
i no longer can see BS reset in 40-45 seconds
hushed pine
And that's why it feels off sometimes
nova marsh
I like arms more then fury but god
hybrid needle
sooo.. should i open vault as prot so i dont get the other bad chim trinket ?
nova marsh
I wish arms had consistant design
spark mango
honestly i think rn, if arms has ateam that gives him monk debuff and shaman buff and funnel when possible, its A+ or even S, take somethings out of equation and mountain thane fury is better
hushed pine
sooo.. should i open vault as prot so i dont get the other bad chim trinket ?
What are you trying to get
hasty pumice
honestly i think rn, if arms has ateam that gives him monk debuff and shaman bu...
colossus arms is always stronger in M+ the higher you go
even if you dont have a monk (somehow) and shaman
hushed pine
Spec to Prot if you've ONLY done Dreamrift
scenic cedar
OMG forget switch stance. run 1,5 m+ into def stance ://////
hasty pumice
if you dont have shaman, you'll have aug
hybrid needle
Spec to Prot if you've ONLY done Dreamrift
thank you
spark mango
colossus arms is always stronger in M+ the higher you go
i am really not happy with my single target
67k-70k with st talents
hasty pumice
i am really not happy with my single target
yeah but ST isn't the only thing that matters lol
even without any funnel, without shammy
you're still better than fury
the aoe is nuts
hushed pine
yeah but ST isn't the only thing that matters lol
hasty pumice
fury ST is barely any better
I understand it feels like shit to play without shammy in full ST without funnel
I've run a few keys myself and I dont always get the dream comp
gotta charge weave and hope for rend procs
still the aoe is nutty
spark mango
in a low pug situation, it wouldnt hurt if they increased the timer on colossus might buff
its a make or break for a pure st boss fight
nova marsh
Please just make it a minute
stable silo
On two targets with sweeping is slam > cleave?
hasty pumice
yes
spark mango
yeah and you cleave when you reach 3 stacks
hasty pumice
with sweeping 1 target = 2 targets
hasty pumice
you only cleave whenever sweeps falls off which rarely happens
slender sonnet
here I am just playing 2t slayer on dragons
spark mango
you only cleave whenever sweeps falls off which rarely happens
we dont spend collateral?
cleave em both with 3 stacks
hasty pumice
tbh idk 
never actively went for it
spark mango
i think you do St rotation and when you reach max collateral you do that
its big 75% cleave damage on 2 targets
ionic mica
here I am just playing 2t slayer on dragons
do you have ddhs timing their collapsing stars?
hasty pumice
@smoky kayak hola mon ami could you help out?
Is cleave with 3 collateral stacks better to press in 2 targets WITH sweeps up or has any form of prio over slam? (or with mass exe)
spark mango
with mass exe and ravager and collateral i think it fucks, just my instincts tho,, numbers might fuck me
i loved colossus last tier, very good st with bleed build with decent aoe
i think i was the first guy to do +18 priory with arms it was fury dominated
hasty pumice
yeah I have no clue but it's a good question to optimise DPS
hasty pumice
since 2 targets happens a lot
hasty pumice
what is the difference between the first cleave line and the second below overpower
is that a EITHER ravager OR collateral?
thick kelp
First one is with with with
hasty pumice
so in 2 targets
HS > MS > Cleave (Ravager + collateral at 3) > OP > Cleave (Ravager OR Collateral at 3) > Execute > Slam
thick kelp
2nd is or or
thick kelp
the I = or
umbral badger
like i am pulling 100k even pre execute phase sometimes now as arms slayer so i feel somethign is good
candid kindle
what is the difference between the first cleave line and the second below overpo...
Read, it says ravager remains & buff collateral
hasty pumice
does mass exe change anything?
thick kelp
not anymore
hasty pumice
Read, it says ravager remains & buff collateral
brother I already figured it out, thanks
candid kindle
2nd is ravager or comllateral stack = 3
candid kindle
brother I already figured it out, thanks
Swag
fresh spire
thick kelp
slender sonnet
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
spark mango
i always sent cleave with 3 collateral do you know why? because it lights up
hasty pumice
not anymore
alright thanks, interesting to keep that in mind for smol optimisation in 2 target
slender sonnet
do you have ddhs timing their collapsing stars?
we have 2
devourers
it's pointless
thick kelp
out dps them
spark mango
we need to petition for a longer colossus might buff tbh
candid kindle
out dps them
It all depends if the adds are getting mass grabbed or knocned near both dragons to max it
spark mango
i legit start sweating when healer asks to drink
minor gust
The trick is if the dks are gripping to you place the orbs away from dragons so DDHs can't precast star
candid kindle
Also by the time u ava+colo the whole add stack is gone
ionic mica
we have 2
ew, we only had one and they didnt seem interested in add dam (but were complaining i was taking it all)
minor gust
Pretty sure dragons all star points got removed anyways so it's a who cares
Go 2T and fuck the boss
ionic mica
i guess 2 stars plus a csmash demo combo would kill them