arms

[jovial hare]

didnt notice, im a bit of an idiot

[cold garnet]

okie, yeah I will go with the cloak and then move onto the others like you said.

thank you guys

[clever crag]

I see you are an orc, got bright future ahead of you

[cold garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gigachad-big-gif-21053844

[storm canopy]

hopefully they get a nerf soon

[lucid dagger]

how impactful is the nerf?

[odd helm]

how much crit do yall have? I feel like this has to be the reason i stink. I think i have like 700?

[sudden owl]

1300

[odd helm]

yeah my rings and trinks are horrible and i feel it

[sudden owl]

it's not too hard to get a lot of crit tho our tier set/catalyst is full of crit haste

[odd helm]

bad crit means long demolish cd and less talent synergy

[keen parcel]

Oof that explains a lot -.-

My tier peices are all haste/mastery. do u mean off tier peice catalysts?

[strange comet]

Damn I thought I was gearing okay and I'm only at like 900

I guess I can blame that for my performance instead of me 🙃

[frail helm]

just got absolutely stomped by a devourer dh in overall, 17 MT with an aug, quite a few big pulls

is col supposed to win that?

coz jfc

[limpid hornet]

aren't they bugged atm and do more dmg than they are supposed to ?

[frail helm]

I thought they fixed a bug which was making them do less dmg before

also, is aug a good match with col? I feel like it isn't because buffing 0 on a boss is still 0

[ionic mica]

It's hard to tell if its a pairing thing or just bad aug players but I'm yet to see or hear of an arms doing noticeably more damage overall with an aug

[frail helm]

interesting, because the devourer was doing WAY more damage than usual

[supple blade]

What are the preferred stat weights for arms i checked archon for m+ its like 900 crit 800 haste do we want more?

[tender plaza]

we still rage starved as colossus vs slayer or?

[wraith lichen]

You simply your upgrades individually and ignore stat weights

They will change the second you change anything about your gear so just going by some other persons number isnt going to work

[soft peak]

so guys where is wise to spent the rolls?

in pit?

[zenith sequoia]

What's the go-to spec for m+ vs raid now after the changes?

[zenith sequoia]

That's where I used mine. Everything in there is crit haste

[slow saddle]

Chimera

Mythic so easy 2 pug

After that its pos until i get weap + ring

[soft peak]

you have a good point

[slow saddle]

I took coins in vault

Rolled neck in pos

And feet on chimmy

Next week surely i get gaze from cjimmy

[strong turtle]

do you sim 5 boss 1:30min ?

for m+

[slow saddle]

St

5m

Aoe comes from trinket choices, and there i just go by concensus bis

Raid ones

[tropic crest]

Pit is gold for us bro

[soft peak]

am i looking good for 2 days?

trinkets are trash

but i didnt do raid, only m

[tropic crest]

I need that Bizentein defensive stance aura (the big shield aura)
Does anyone know what addon is it? I cannot find it in his disc

[stable cairn]

Did they give out bonus rolls to people?

2 more?

[soft peak]

maybe better timeline, it has a big icon

[modest oyster]

Should we use cleave when 3 targets and more or 2 and more?

[native niche]

Do you guys know of any reliable mythic pugs on EU that run Dreamrift and first few bosses of voidspire weekly? I’m getting sick and tired of pugs where they do 3,4 pulls and get disbanded and worst case you get locked to the ID

I mean dreamrift you can try again but still

[soft peak]

whats the best build in m+ ?

i see some people running stance mastery

than anger management

[slender sonnet]

fixed the duplicate bug my fucking arse

[ionic mica]

did you get the first one before the fix?

[ionic mica]

if you wanted stance mastery you would drop javelineer and crushing force for resoannt voice and stance mastery

[slender sonnet]

i got it wednesday

[strong flame]

yeah thats why tokens were refunded cause those items u got before the fix do not apply to the "filter"

[ionic mica]

the way they described it, getting something post fix that you got pre fix is totally possible

[slender sonnet]

oh

ffs

that's stupid

[ionic mica]

well

[strong flame]

I mean otherwise you would just have a giga advantage over people that used 0 tokens

if you still got a refund

[ionic mica]

it would be far more stupid for it to not be able to give you duplicates

its frustrating for sure

but makes total sense

[slender sonnet]

so in theory you could get the same item 3 times

[ionic mica]

no

[strong flame]

yeah I saw someone that had 2 cloaks from prefix get his 3rd cloak

:garf

[buoyant cargo]

Yeah bet i get cloak and shoulder from pit again. Hammer gonna be my last roll after i got everything else in the upcomming weeks -.-

[ionic mica]

the database keeping track of what you have bonus rolled is now working, so it should keep track of everything after the fix and stop duplicates from that point on

[slender sonnet]

sigh

[ionic mica]

the whole issue was the database wasnt keeping track pre-fix

[ionic mica]

if you got the tokens back from pre-fix then it isnt an issue

just costs you a couple of key runs worth of time

[buoyant cargo]

Yeah i know. Im just waiting with keys. Wanna keep the Illusion alive that i COULD still get hammer this id xD

[ionic mica]

its mostly sad if you didnt spend the bonus rolls because of the bugs or because you are holding for a raid boss kill

the "ideal" situation is you spent pre bug, got things you wanted and then get the tokens back and roll elsewhere

[wraith lichen]

Knowing my luck, I woulda rolled the same items after refund as before

And still not be what I wanted

[ionic mica]

would be nothing lost at least

[soft peak]

so many m+ builds dont know what to roll

[ionic mica]

just the rng of the intended system

[ionic mica]

do you prefer slayer or colo

[soft peak]

colo

everybody has different colo builds

[ionic mica]

you can take the ones from wowhead

and if you want a little more ST you drop Powerful Momentum and Mass Execute for Overpowering Finish and Martial Prowess

but either is good

[vale warren]

Two ton hammer sims .1 percent better… I mean that’s GAINS right? Also do we swap embellishment to an enchant? Or just keep dark moon sigil

[ionic mica]

in your sim are you adding a second craft with arcanoweave when adding the two ton hammer?

[vale warren]

Yes I have bracers

[sacred zodiac]

sorry just making sure you know that embellishments and enchants are not mutually exclusive yes

[vale warren]

Wait

You can enchant and have an embellishment?!?

[vale warren]

Oh no.

[zenith sequoia]

Arms or furry for raid?

[vale warren]

OH NO. You mean I’ve been pushing +12 with no weapon enchant?!

[ionic mica]

outside of vanguard its just preference

arms for that

[zenith sequoia]

And Colo vs Slayer is also just preference?

[ionic mica]

even then fury is fine

is this for mythic or heroic?

[zenith sequoia]

Can I have your answer for both?

[ionic mica]

mythic you would be slayer for everything apart from vanguard

and dragons but its up to you really

[strange comet]

If anyone has a few minutes to double check why I suck on heroic void id appreciate #1347646810457636974

[zenith sequoia]

Ok, that's for higher single target?

[ionic mica]

heroic i would just slayer the whole thing but you could colo for dragons and vanguard too if you want

colo is better 2 and 3 target

slayer is better ST

[zenith sequoia]

Got it, so arms vs fury is preference and if arms then slayer for all except dragons and vanguard but on heroic could just send it on slayer the whole time

[ionic mica]

yep 🙂

[zenith sequoia]

Ty

[ionic mica]

fury you can play either, but i would just thane the whole thing

[zenith sequoia]

Slayer fury for myth or nah?

[slow saddle]

raid?

well tbh for prog id say Fury for bosses up until dragons

[ionic mica]

yeah i end up playing fury for early bosses and chim

[slow saddle]

dragons is both, esp boss dmg for col prob grea

t

but theres a spot for THANE on dragons as well

like u can, then id consider arms after that tbh

but both specs are pretty crappy beyond paladins

[mild sierra]

I dont see why you would play fury on any boss

Maybe first

[sacred zodiac]

arms was fucking horrible on first

[mild sierra]

Other classes does furys aoe job better

[ionic mica]

fury on chim and averzian is just so that i dont care about cds or swapping

[mild sierra]

Fury on chimaerus for add dmg

[ionic mica]

same for salhadaar if tanks decide to be scared and run away from the orbs

ideally i would arms it all

but i cba to worry about these things on rekills

[mild sierra]

I mean i wouldnt take into account poor play when choosing an optimal spec

[ionic mica]

optimal sure

but realistic is different

[slow saddle]

i mean

[ionic mica]

its not worth the talk with the tanks or the hassle of things dying with csmash on them

[mild sierra]

Theres obviously scenarios that alter your choice

[slow saddle]

small orbs in a shitty grp

id say thanes better

[clever crag]

whoever put me on eyes of the eagle enchant thx bro

thats 1k dps

[slow saddle]

u just easily fuck all issues

[ionic mica]

i dont even look at them

[clever crag]

almost 90k sim

[slow saddle]

i mean we actually had some reach boss the other day m8

like my grp is cooked

[ionic mica]

is all i wanted was to sweep onto big orb and then RLtank starts getting onto people about prio big orb and runs to narnia

instant fury from now on

[slow saddle]

exactly

[ionic mica]

xD okay then sure fury it is

[slow saddle]

but if u can sweep FROM big orb

and just boss dmg

arms is 100000% the play

[ionic mica]

the raid is ass enough that i want minimum hassle

[slow saddle]

u just do Tons fof important dmg

[ionic mica]

which is thane fury til dragons

[slow saddle]

it sure is ngl

i mean i actually find slayer bette ron 1st boss

just seems to align well with bladestorm for me on add that needs to die

[ionic mica]

i basically give salad one run as arms and then swap if we have any issues

which ofc we do, glad reclear is done

[reef birch]

question:

should demolish be used at start or only at 10 stacks

[mild sierra]

Hover the blue question mark

[reef birch]

yes, says during csmash

which doesnt at all answer the question

[valid walrus]

i read somehwer arms still has bugs, wich ones?

they didnt mention whats bugged

[slow saddle]

I know its tiny dmg BUT DAMN this bug annoys me

[solemn fractal]

If you start with Demo you can fit 2 Demo inside 1 CS now with enough Haste reliably?

[slow saddle]

tbh i doubt it

i think u need lust and luck

and obviously only on main target

never on the split adds

[ionic mica]

ms crits and youre golden

but not worth worrying about

[reef birch]

and you will never get those 10 stacks during the cmash you used on opener

so the choices are to either skip demo entirely for the first smash or use it with no stacks

[ionic mica]

you can build stacks with ms and cleave before you csmash as the tank is gathering

or you have from a previous pull

[mild sierra]

And it literallt says

[flat willow]

it says " or delayed until the last few seconds of the debuff "

[mild sierra]

If not 10, hold until the end of cs window

Then press it with 2-3 sec left

Reading is hard

[reef birch]

situation being the first pull in a dungeon

[mild sierra]

Then do this

[reef birch]

so its more accurate to say you try to get stacks before using csmash at all

[jovial hare]

what a wild thing to pull up the warrior cord and read first

[mild sierra]

Sweeping when key starts and spam ss MS

[ionic mica]

ss as soon as the key starts (inside the bubble) and then follow the tank around using MS and cleave etc and building rage

youll be fine

just hit things the tank has actually hit

oh and dont play with bears 🙂

they dont have any threat outside of cds so youll just rip and die doing this unless you dbts or meld

[reef birch]

ive witnessed many people burned when trying to get their licks in while tank does a pack pull world tour

[ionic mica]

then be smart about it

[reef birch]

but, that does answer the question i had

[ionic mica]

fyi spinning crane kick does not count as a monk hitting things

make sure you are hitting stuff they have keg smashed

sck might as well be body pulling

[mild sierra]

Idk why brews even have that bound

[fair tinsel]

I have a very distinct ptsd from a timewalk shattered halls where the only spell this brew was using was sck, he was dying, I was tanking

sck needs to be removed for brew

so they think about casting actual abilities

[soft peak]

this quest you need to have the rolls?

i dont wtf

[jade ember]

You buy them from Decimus

[soft peak]

oh siht

[jade ember]

You have to use gold veteran crests or marl

[soft peak]

nice

i didnt know

and how i spent them

when i open the chest?

[flat willow]

a window opens every time you do a content where coins are available

[jade ember]

Whenever you kill a boss or complete a dungeon it'll ask you if you want to roll on a piece of loot

[flat willow]

be careful to not waste them

[jade ember]

Yeah it also pops up at the end of prey hunts and delves

[soft peak]

ok nice

i dont do delves or prey

its ok

[jade ember]

But obviously the best gear you can get's going to come from raids or M+ if you're doing those

[soft peak]

i got pit key

lets go roll

10

[olive nest]

I like how everyone gets their bug fixed except arms

[indigo quail]

[fair tinsel]

Not just that

unholy became a full ranged spec

no more melee range for scythe

Truly needed, unholy was struggling.

Only thing missing is a talent that makes their autoswings have 30 yard range now

[ionic mica]

id be curious to see if unholy only pressing their buttons in cds did more ST damage than arms playing all the time

just have a dk sleep half the time and play at 30yds still doing damage

[olive nest]

They generate resources with autos right

I know next to nothing about death knight

[latent moss]

nah

runes have a cd and u can spend runes to generate runic power

by pressing scourge strike

and shi

[jade ember]

It's kind of like if an evoker spending their essence (runes) gave them rage (runic power)

Kind of

[pulsar frost]

@nova marsh i woke up and its finally here

[rose matrix]

So the reimbursed voidcores is 1 if you used it in dungeons and 2 if you used it in raid?

[pulsar frost]

well yes, its based on how much you used, raid being 2

[rose matrix]

Yea I used both in the dungeon and got 1 so I was just wondering

I guess the idea is that the first one worked but the second one would lead to a duplicate so they gave out one for dungeons

[flat willow]

that's ret paladin, unholy just has to go in melee 2 gcd per 30 seconds

and do 99% of their damage (-1% for the missed autos )

[olive nest]

That is something isn’t it

[gentle atlas]

Colossus is so ass and wonky to play jeez

Bring back zugzug spec

[hot spear]

I like colo allot I wish it was better in pure single target

[warped owl]

They gave x amount of rerolls used during the bug out to players I used 2 in dungeons and got 2 reimbursed

[gentle atlas]

I hate the channeling part but ye it's good for trash but I'd you get no funnel on boss... It's depressing

If*

[rose matrix]

I used them both the first day on back to back dungeons and got one

So not sure how that works

[gentle atlas]

But anyway

Buff devourer

[spark mango]

guys, can i use my charge intervene 1 button macro for interpose aswell?

[olive nest]

I think if you put known in there for both talents it should let you

[spark mango]

showtooltip charge
/cast [mod:shift] Light's Potential
/stopmacro [mod:shift]
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead] Intervene; [harm,nodead] Charge

something like this

[jovial hare]

you forgot hamstring tho

[winged phoenix]

Is there a reason why none of you have mentioned the ability audio issue or made a big stink about it like other class discords have done when theres bugs? Like me and only like 5 other people here noticed that the audio for most abilities is all fucked up and feels so damn empty and hollow, its kind of unplayable

[mystic summit]

i dont think i have it

[winged phoenix]

bad audio feedback has kind of made the class unplayable for me since patch

[random brook]

I have the same audio bug

[gentle atlas]

everyone has it

[winged phoenix]

yeah jus logged in and checked again, still bugged

[flat willow]

swap to fem orc or use a toy to swap race, I only had the terrible audio bug on male orc

[gentle atlas]

im female nelf it doesnt change shit

[hidden bramble]

probably the worst nerf to arms atm

[modest lagoon]

How is wowAnalyzer looking for arms rn ?

Did a terrible parse on chimaerus and wanna see what i did wrong lmao

[honest seal]

after getting 2 sparks this week what suggest to craft? neck or waist

[radiant moon]

whatever u were more unlucky on

[honest seal]

pit of saron neck 😄 farmed like 100times with bonus loot not dropped

[radiant moon]

means it will drop soon

also belt tho

that you can catalyze

[honest seal]

have 0 cat

[radiant moon]

should drop soon

if u got 4 piece

[pulsar frost]

rolls came back, rolled a myth chest (sadly have one already) but the ring is noice, 6/8 items left, hope weapon and neck next week 😢

[honest seal]

i got ring from pit of saron already equipped, loot chest end of the dungeons got same ring, used bonus roll and got same ring mythic
tell me about the bad luck cursed

[radiant moon]

still you can get it in less tries than just rolling in vault

• most piece in that dung are good for arms

[honest seal]

this one

[radiant moon]

lot of crit / haste

[honest seal]

3 time in row

[fair tinsel]

wonder what goes through an augvokers head when they go for melee range piles on last boss pit

nvm trick question

they're aug

[viscid fossil]

well you have leap

[hidden merlin]

Do you guys always line up colossal smash with demolish? My colossal smash is usually about 10 seconds slower off cooldown.

[nova marsh]

If it's 10 seconds off you hold

[hidden merlin]

So you basically always want to line them up?

[nova marsh]

usually ye

[mystic summit]

blizzard is so stupid

just ran pit bc of the bonus roll refund and got ANOTHER DUPLICATE

[nova marsh]

Yeah what you already rolled dosen't count

They literally said this in the blog post

[mystic summit]

i didnt read it my b

[nova marsh]

yeah it's fixed but essentially

the data for what we rolled is pissed into the ether

[sacred zodiac]

some of us didnt get to roll at all ye

[mystic summit]

wym

[sacred zodiac]

you only get the extra rolls if you rolled before thursday night

i didnt roll so statistically your character does just have more power than mine shrug

[copper swan]

hello guys i have 2 questions regarding the roll curencies, i didn't purchase any yet. How much can we stockpile ? Until when thise feature is supposed to be active ?

[winged phoenix]

This hurts my soul to hear its a male orc issue....

[sacred zodiac]

there doesnt seem to be a maximum to how much you can hold at once but you can also only get 2 (3 if you pick the option from vault) a week

and until the end of the season i guess idk if im interpreting your second question correctly

[copper swan]

yes

[mystic summit]

not me i already had a myth belt and 2 of my bonus rolls i have gotten a belt

[copper swan]

oh and does the pity system includes the loots you get from the vault or it's restricted inside of the bonus rolls ?

[wraith lichen]

Its purely things you bonus roll

[sacred zodiac]

then you have the intended amount of power

[copper swan]

Ok ok ty for the answers

the no maximum is nice, and if it stays until next season it assures we will get everything we want at a certain point

those years passing got me more and more annoyed by rng

[nova marsh]

I have become acustom to RNG

as long as it's not like

the void assault sets level of rng

[copper swan]

this was shit y

imagine with ptr costs

lmao

[light dirge]

Yo guys need some help with the arms rotation particularly regarding mortal strike, do we want to always build OP stacks before Ms if we can get it? Or do we always send Ms regardless of op stacks

[thick kelp]

ms

[light dirge]

So, send Ms regardless and get op stacks of you can?

[sacred zodiac]

why do you want to hold bonus rolls though

[nova marsh]

yes

[copper swan]

if i could avoid triumvirat by just getting the gloves from vault i'd be happy

[cosmic abyss]

Which m+ to play for best gear chance?

[copper swan]

Pit of Saron is recommanded in general for all the crit/haste stuff you can get

[sacred zodiac]

depends on your gear, raidbots droptimizer sims can help figure out whats correct for you

[keen parcel]

Meh I have a love/hate relationship with sim craft. Just dont throw away any old gear you replace because it could be better for you once you upgrade a few other pieces. Then you are stuck refarming it

[olive nest]

I never delete items that are myth track for the entire tier you never know

[keen parcel]

For example: im currently 10% below desired crit level. So my gaze of the allseer is actually a downgrade for me despite being an S tier trinket due to not needing the mastery. Once my gear gets more crit, itll increase in value

An item may be bis for you, just not at your current gear combination

[mild sierra]

🤨

[strange comet]

Could someone tell me (why) I suck before the raid tonight #1347646810457636974 (bulluptous)

[sacred zodiac]

how many mythic gear sidegrades are you sitting on for this to be a genuine concern

[keen parcel]

Personally, none. Strength typically wins out either way. But it’s just an observation i have come up on that simcraft is typically a progressional tool for immediate optimization. It plays the short game. With the voidcores, it’s easier than ever to target an actual item now. Guess it just depends on your goal

Im just a casual player putting my 2 cents in

[ionic mica]

id hope nobody is deleting/disenchanting/selling gear just because it isnt in their best gear set right now

different statted random gear pieces sure, trinkets like gaze lmao i hope not

[keen parcel]

Yeah top gear then helps you out once you collect more

[vast helm]

we still cant track Heroic Might on CDM right?

[sacred zodiac]

idk how you got to the conclusion that simc is a short term tool when it allows you to set up droptimizers and top gear sims with items you dont have

[keen parcel]

Top gear is a different tool vs droptimizer

[sacred zodiac]

both are top gear sims

[keen parcel]

If you have too much mastery, its not going to recommend mastery items

[sacred zodiac]

just packaged differently

i mean yeah but then its not the tools fault when its answers are interpreted incorrectly

you're also overstating the amount gear will randomly fluctuate in value, stuff like a myth trinket thats considered bis randomly not becoming bis based on gear is just not real unless you specifically fuck over your gear in a way that no one does

[olive nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iD1f3LLreuWSeyZamnpXag
reck pot stonks! Holly it’s almost 1k dps difference

As crit*

[sacred zodiac]

can you sim the comparison with vantus

out of curiosity

[olive nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8vuyNo3E3ksduE36p9LMWu

Vantus sim comparing pots/flasks

@sacred zodiac

[keen parcel]

Correct me if im wrong, but It is real if you utilize a tool that is designed to follow a bis list and eventually lead you to a specific set of items. Droptimizer plays the short game

For progressional purposes. It just depends on your goal

[sacred zodiac]

what is said tool that is designed to follow a bis list im not following

either way optimizing for progress will also optimize your progress towards the bis list cause you need final boss items p much every time ye

[sacred zodiac]

ya looks good might stock up on some

[olive nest]

It’s a goofy pot though

I have about an 80 Crit lead over haste and sometimes I swear it feels like it gave me haste anyway

[sacred zodiac]

haste procs will do that no?

[olive nest]

Yes they do but I’m not running hunt so I can’t figure out what else is doing it

Maybe sordish knows

[sacred zodiac]

lynx's dexterity on your boots

just grab a log where you think you got haste

[olive nest]

Well that’s just avoidance and stamina no?

How do you see what stat it gives you in logs? Spell id?

[sacred zodiac]

yea i just said some random shit to bait you get cooked

[olive nest]

Lmao

[sacred zodiac]

i assume it says what you got but idk

[ionic mica]

is it not just your weapon enchant

[olive nest]

Oh right I’m dumb I did just switch to that because of sim xdd

Smart lad

[sacred zodiac]

do you even want that on arms

[olive nest]

I’ll just have to add a cancel aura to my rec pot

It sims more for me than the primary stat one

Idek why

Maybe that’s bait and I should just switch

[olive nest]

Switching to acuity is -600

Can’t do it

Just have to gg the first proc if charge procs it or something lmao

With the cancel aura

[sacred zodiac]

or just dont or

sim already accounts for you proccing haste

[olive nest]

@reef glade yo does frenzied focus cancel aura work or do you need to use spell id or?

[mild spoke]

Do people put CS into avatar macro?

[wind hatch]

you can but there are a select few instances where you may want to hold avatar while sending cs

[pulsar frost]

I hsve a macro i use for on pull or when I need both. But when I judt wanna send cs I'll click cs itself

[slow saddle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VpG35Hdxr4o?is=kFtYrbkS10Y4ZevC

I love this guy such a meme🤣

Overtop

[deft bluff]

They’ll never not make DH be good

[slow saddle]

I mean therea good and then theres dk // dh

🤣

[reef glade]

idk assume it would

not that i really checked i guess

[viscid fossil]

maan, first run garfrost but i already had a myth track

gib ilvls

[balmy kindle]

wew garfrost bonus roll

[heady spear]

Guys, is it possible to use multiple bonus roll in the same dungeon instance ?

[radiant moon]

thank god hero prism is only slight downgrade from myth puzzle box 😂

was bout to go mad with that trinket

[vapid goblet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/46PWnnukkaLUwj298GVHDM i mean this is just not ok

how do i sim 89k ST with this gear

blizzard?

[silver tundra]

hey i'm new to arms. i can't seem to find an answer to this question in the guides: what are my defensive options for incoming big hits?

[rare kite]

how big is PoS neck for you? i bet it's massive

also brother your ring enchants are horrible

[native niche]

Die by the Sword, Spell Reflect, Defensive Stance, Victory Rush and ofc pots and healthstones if available

Also Avatar reduces dmg taken but u shouldnt wait to use it for possible dmg intake

[silver tundra]

tyty

[vapid goblet]

4 less haste overall wdym

[rare kite]

sim eyes of the eagle

compared to your current enchants

[vapid goblet]

ah yea they buffed it right

[rare kite]

yes. was best for me before as well but by a small amount, now nothing is compareable

[wind hatch]

yeah im simming 94k at the same ilvl

[balmy kindle]

eyes of the eagle is like 3% from nature's fury

[reef glade]

when u get a crit neck u also get to use potion of reck thats like 500-1000 dps above light's potential probably

[sacred zodiac]

why you calling him a piece of shit

[terse osprey]

Slayer or Colossus for open world stuff?

like older raids DF, SL etc

[mystic summit]

lol

the meta reaches deep

[rugged cargo]

how much better than fury is arms really for mythic+ cause ive been trying arms and im so ass at it

[vapid goblet]

a lot better

prob like 20k ahead

[deft bluff]

I genuinely just hope our st gets like

Somewhat buffed

[rugged cargo]

i watched a rotation guide and everything but i kept fucking it up and getting confused with cooldowns and stuff but maybe i just need to stick to it

[radiant moon]

20k better in overall like 1/2 dmg to bosses

[mystic summit]

you'll play better on a spec u enjoy and actually know

[radiant moon]

man remember when ele sham did tank dps

didnt they get 30% st buff or smt crazy like that?

[radiant moon]

you get better at it with time

[rugged cargo]

i think id enjoy arms if i learned is the thing

[mystic summit]

watch biz arms guide on youtube and go smack a target dummy

[rugged cargo]

yeah

[balmy kindle]

note that skyfury is a big diff as well

[rugged cargo]

so much more going on with arms

[balmy kindle]

without skyfury its going to feel constipated

[plucky bramble]

hi, did you guys recive a refound on the reroll? lots of people in my guild did recive but nothing for me

even people that didnt get duplicated itens

[nimble yoke]

i feel like i gotta be doing something wrong. i'm 275 competing on the damage charts with a 258 paladin in aoe packs

[balmy kindle]

biz and critcake has some good vids so i would start from there if you are having problems

[nimble yoke]

i do watch critcake. just can't tell if it's my gameplay or there's something else going on lol

[sacred zodiac]

i think theres mangoes involved

@daring flicker fact check?

[sacred zodiac]

did you roll before thursday night

[plucky bramble]

no

a little bit after

[sacred zodiac]

then you weren't affected by the bug

[rugged wave]

I have question for people who play orc warriors, do you have missing ability sounds? Such as MS, Execute, OP & Slam/Heroic strike?

[sacred zodiac]

ive heard that bug apparently its male orc only

[rugged wave]

yes

Ony my 3 other warriors (not orc) don't have that issue

[reef glade]

smorc

[slender raptor]

Guys, is it normal to be 3rd of dps in pure single target boss fights in m+ or am I doing something wrong?

As colossus arms

[reef glade]

colo arms is pretty terrible st dps yes

hopefully ur not like 40% behind the other 2 but pretty likely to be last

[deft bluff]

Is that with the two talent changes to increase your st?

[nimble yoke]

how big is the aoe on colo? and does it depend on pack size?

[cosmic pecan]

Only got one re roll back and I used both

[somber wave]

we never press heroic strike in m+ on aoe or 2 target right?

and aoe rotation starts with 2 targets?

[reef glade]

def pressing on 2target but cleave should consume it on 3 or more

and na slam 2target is like 20x better than cleave now probably

[somber wave]

so it's worth tracking?

[reef glade]

cuz proccing deep wounds and stuff

i mean worth having slam on your bars

[high snow]

they fixed unholy bugs, can they fix the arms deep wounds bugs?

[reef glade]

to like... see when it procs and also just hitting slam in 2t

[somber wave]

yea ofc but you kinda dont need to track it right since you just press it on 1-2 targets when there is nothing else?

or does heroic strike take prio over other shit at any point?

[reef glade]

yea i mean i think its about even with mortal strike not sure which ones specifically better but would think MS just to put in on cd sooner probably a little

but heroic should def be like number 2 button you press on st/2t i'd think

assume wowhead prio list has all of this said tho

not sure about if it would specifically mention 2target but can think of 2t as effectively the same thing as 1target

since none of our crazy aoe "unlocks" until 3 or more with fob and cleave colossal might stacks and stuff

[rancid willow]

Ran some m+ (x2 10’s and a 14) as arms for the first time this season. Not bad!

ST is poop

[somber wave]

thanks I just wanted to avoid putting another button on my cdm 😄

[rancid willow]

Was actually kinda fun.

[reef glade]

yea i mean not sure if heroic strike is even trackable as a buff like that at least i for some reason havent found it but it should be very clear when you have it since slam just turns into it

[somber wave]

arms is kinda fun

for sure

[reef glade]

so if you have slam on your bars you'll see it

and you should have slam on your bars

[rancid willow]

I know people love tracking with addons but….why not just bring bars up higher? It literally illuminate when it procs

[somber wave]

nah it's trackable in elessmere ui

[reef glade]

is that button not just where slam is positioned

[somber wave]

it is yea

[reef glade]

or is it empty when theres no hero strike

yea

thats fine to keep it there but thats not like heroic strike being tracked itself its just "your slam turns into heroic strike" and it just shows that

[somber wave]

yea but it obviously tracks heroic strike also 😄

anyway

[reef glade]

yer

[somber wave]

it's useful so I keep it

[reef glade]

ya ofc

[somber wave]

is st that bad?

[reef glade]

kinda yea

[somber wave]

but rotation is more fun than other dps this season it seems

I hate the simplifications etc

[reef glade]

yea arms pruned very little

[somber wave]

main healer just looking for a chill/fun dps to play

[reef glade]

could still maybe use one or two small merging of abilities probably but def more actionpacked/reactive to have so many more buttons to juggle

where fury is like you hit the same 2-3 buttons 80% of your rotation

[somber wave]

yea I feel like fury has always been like that

for years

[plucky bramble]

is deep wounds a big part of our damage as colossus?

[reef glade]

yerp

probably

it would be more on aoe if fob slam was fixed

so doesnt look like it does as much as it should rn cuz it doesnt work

but its probably a solid like 10%ish on single target id think

[plucky bramble]

the only ways to apply is mortal strike and slam crits?

[reef glade]

yea dont think u take the execute deep wounds talent so just that

you sling a lot of slams in aoe tho with fob so would be nice if it got fixed you know some time within a week of it being reported

but not that high priority compared to something like dk bugs i suppose

surely we're next

[plucky bramble]

oh so slam is not applying now?

that makes sense

and as slayer i guess we dont care about our bleeds that much

or im wrong

first raid as arms is next week so doing my homework

[reef glade]

its def good for slayer too but probably not as significant

you arent like focusing on bleeds on either hero talent tho

they just kind of happen

and you play normally

[plucky bramble]

i see

[reef glade]

you maybe hit rend every 20 seconds or so

tbh not sure if thats even like top priority to upkeep as arms but i assume it would be cause of bloodsurge talent

[vapid goblet]

i agree other than the rage on ST

[plucky bramble]

im a bit worried for raid i cant do much damage on bosses

[vapid goblet]

thats just warrior in general atm

[plucky bramble]

and since its a rerroll my gear is not that good

but should be 278 i guess next week with craft + bonus roll + chest

[reef glade]

yea i mean the most significant things you might want/need to get is just some good crit haste jewelry

[stiff kettle]

What level raid you doing

[plucky bramble]

i sim like half of what my warlock sims

[latent moss]

ofc bro

[reef glade]

fury and arms mostly uses the same stuff but would rly try to get like a pit of saron neck if you want to farm for it

[latent moss]

i bonus roll

chest

and i won

chest on roll

on chim

axaxxaxaaxax

[plucky bramble]

im doing mythic raid

[reef glade]

did you want to get the chest

xd

[plucky bramble]

but was playing as a warlock

[latent moss]

ye i mean i rolled was like one of the 2 who wanted it

and i sent bonus roll

[reef glade]

uh... did you just like lose a warrior player or something

[latent moss]

and i gto chest from bonus roll

cause the game is dogshit

[reef glade]

being asked to swap from warlock to warrior kinda insane

[latent moss]

👍

[plucky bramble]

and this week i played as tank since oour tank couldnt come

[latent moss]

shouldve rolled vorasius lowk

better drops

heart mogs gaze anyway

[plucky bramble]

we have 6 warlocks

[reef glade]

true...

wowzers

many dark wizard fans

[plucky bramble]

its meta i guess

[reef glade]

ya pretty good

[plucky bramble]

i was the only warlock for 3 seasons

[reef glade]

6 seems a bit silly tho

ethical chad tho?? if somewhat of a warrior enjoyer at least helping the squad

but yea i mean would just try to get most of the crit/haste jewelry you can particularly neck and ring from pit are really good, maybe if you have time to try to farm nexus point 2set that's also good

outside of that just having your crafted gear at crit haste should put you about where you want to be

[plucky bramble]

they give me some options and we needed an off tank that wasnt druid

[reef glade]

gear wise, then just yknow.. needa game a little bit

[plucky bramble]

and i think warrior is chad

so i chose it

[reef glade]

gonna want that double bear for beloren probably

[rose matrix]

This is going to be me next week

[reef glade]

but yea

[rose matrix]

Heart out sims gaze for me in everything

[plucky bramble]

i spent a lot of time in xenas but i finally got the 2 ring set and pit neck

damage is better now

[reef glade]

o nice

yea gear prolly fine then just make sure if any possible stat recrafts/enchant swaps could help and otherwise just idk look at wowhead prio stuff or logs of ppl doing bosses or maybe some streams of ppl playing the game

like le critcake might have saved vods of his raids or something could try to take a gander there see what he does per boss

(if he's allowed in)

[plucky bramble]

yeah i will take a look at some logs

i saw we are bad on chimaerus but its on farm now so who cares

[reef glade]

yea dont think warr particularly amazing on really any boss except for paladins and to a slightly lesser extent dragons

the rest we're just either like mid or bad

but mid is fine enough

[plucky bramble]

should be fine i think

[reef glade]

yea

[plucky bramble]

im spending some time in the dummy

[reef glade]

🫡 best of luck

[plucky bramble]

its seem impossible to get to the 100k from logs

but i will figure i guess

ty!

[reef glade]

well on a dummy yea ur missing like 20k dps worth of raid buffs

you can do a dummy sim by changing target from patchwerk on raidbots and try to match that as close as you can maybe

[plucky bramble]

noice, will try thart

i didnt practice much slayer since only doing keys now

but i saw on wowhead it doesnt change that much

[reef glade]

yea if youve been doing colo would say slayer is alot less complicated

pretty much just 4 buttons in ms/slam/op/exe

and some cooldowns and maybe rend

[plucky bramble]

looks fine

how much are you guys simming?

[reef glade]

im like just above 95k but also ive been told im something of a loot fed oinker

(lies)

[plucky bramble]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eosEcPuX2eCRKS7uDG81Md

just simmed and its a lot hiegher

i was with bad rings and neck

[reef glade]

ya crit on gear helps a lot

might want to try eye of the eagle ring enchants

they're like rly good now, likely to have been better before but should especially be better now

[plucky bramble]

will take a look ty

[reef glade]

and also if you "can" get a different pair of gloves and catalyze pants

cuz pants go to crit/haste which is good for you while tier gloves are only verse mast both of which are not your ideal stats

but its not the end of the world

otherwise gear looks pretty much fine

[plucky bramble]

i already have hero gloves and should bit im super unlucky with catalyst drop

[reef glade]

oyea didnt see gloves are champ track ilvl uppy would help a little, but sayin like if the new gloves have crit or haste or especially both better to just use those over tier gloves i'd think and cata your current pants

[plucky bramble]

yeah u right eyes of the eagle sims hiegher

[reef glade]

but can sim and find out if thats the case when u get there B)

[plucky bramble]

its crit mastery my hero gloves

ok i will do that

next catalyst go on pents them

[reef glade]

yea sim to be sure but think that'd just make the most sense

[plucky bramble]

ok, thanks for the tips

less ancious now haha

[reef glade]

[lethal jetty]

I noticed when having 2 SD procs and spending them right after each other, the 2nd execute wont give Executioner's Precision stack?

[cinder marsh]

arms still bugged?

[stable fiber]

fob is the only bug rn

[stable fiber]

mine is working just fine

[vapid goblet]

1 and done the neck

altho it says haste is crazy

crit 20 haste 24

[lethal jetty]

Yeah, i tried doing it on target dummy but seems to be working fine.
Can see on logs i actually get the 2nd stack, but it doesnt show on UI.

[stable fiber]

i think ive noticed that too

cdm doesnt show 2 stacks i believe

[lethal jetty]

Neither does the buff next to minimap, but i guess its the same thing.

[vivid pike]

In the wowhead guide there's a talent build for Raid Multitarget what bosses do I need this on other than paladins?

[olive nest]

I run the 2T build on saladbar to sweep the orbs

[vivid pike]

isn;t that still ST?

anything thats 3+ is AoE isn't it?

[limber badger]

Does anyone do vod reviews or log reviews for M+? After the 12.0.5 patch I feel like I’m being carried in my 17s and 18s and I’m really Frustrated going from slayer —> colossus

[keen siren]

i feel like slayer feels so bad rn becuz reap does no dmg anymore

reap it like 4th on my overall dmg

used to be 1 or 2

idk slayer doesnt feel horrible but the dmg is so mid

[nova marsh]

It does do damage it just dosent prox enough

[keen siren]

yea im feeling that

guess im gonna try colo

what the prio for exe for colo?

[limber badger]

Yeah but I don’t you just send demolish now that it’s 5 sec cdr?

You get it way more that CS

[mystic bronze]

On cd, pretty much

[nova marsh]

Its a side grade to do it on cs vs on cd

Use ur judgemebt

[mystic bronze]

If CS has around 10 cd left when demo comes off cd you hold demo

Otherwise send on cd

[mighty saddle]

quick qustion i have been main fury player but want to try arms is the one button good way to learn I did watch some vids on rotation is the one button pretty close to sim rotation?

[nova marsh]

I think its an 8% loss?

Leeme check

[hushed topaz]

I tried 1 button on the single target dummy one time and it was hitting sweeping strikes lol

[vast helm]

time to adds mortal wounds on BS and Ravager.

[terse oxide]

anyone else get more voidcores today? my buddy got 3 new ones even though he rolled 3 and got to keep the gear

[rose matrix]

You guys think Unholy and Dev get nerfed at all or they actually just get to keep the massive buffs

[nova marsh]

Udk did get nerfed

Then blizzard realized how stupid they were

But fuck it, do a 20% aura nerf for em again

[rose matrix]

I thought Unholy was only doing worse because of bugs

[nova marsh]

Im talking about start of season

I doubt theyre gonna nerf em again. Same with devo

[rose matrix]

Oh yeah I am talking about the recent buffs

[mighty saddle]

st seems super low with the m plus build

[nova marsh]

Udk and devo was the specs blizz want to be meta

[mighty saddle]

unless arms is just low st

[nova marsh]

Yeah

Thats just colo.

Slayer is pretty okay

You can drop powerful momentum and mass exe for martial prowess and overpowering finish

And its....acceptable

[tender plaza]

do ppl play arms just because it's slightly better than fury or because they got bored of fury? I'm lost with all these builds, Colosus there, Slayer here, Colosus with 2 talents for boss X there, Slayer can play M+ but Colosus is better, but only if you got a Shaman for the buff, ppl still complaining after the changes (not talking about the cleave bug), it's a shitshow imo wth

[slow saddle]

Tbh m8 if u have all these q

Just play thane fury

Coz like on here ppl are lookin for a 1 or 2 % advantage in specs talents and stuff like that

[stable fiber]

think you are thinking too much, if its m+ just play colossus, if its raid just check the top 100 parses and copy what is most popular

this spec is still very good without shaman in m+

think too much and you start to lose dps

[tender plaza]

came back after 3 weeks and woke up with this, it is indeed a lot of thinking

thx for info

[stable fiber]

you can play slayer in every dungeon until like +20s and its fine

when they fix the bug both specs get buffed in prio damage by a decent amount

[fallow geyser]

Playing Slayer in M+, looking at the execute rotation it has execute below overpower in the priority. Will sudden death procs move this up?

Since they are free from costing rage + reap proc

[maiden apex]

we got any number for crit we aiming for as arms or just as much as possible? 😄

[stable fiber]

yes it will

SD execute in aoe and st is always better then a OP

[warped owl]

sim but 30% is usually a good amount

[fallow geyser]

Excellent, thank you

[stable fiber]

sim question

[maiden apex]

❤️

[stable fiber]

try to learn how to use top gear sims, its like the most important thing to learn if you want to hyper optimize your character

[maiden apex]

ye i do but my stat sims seem to change, might be cause colossus is more crit dependant

[warped owl]

it is

slayer wants a bit more haste and colo a bit more crit

but it isn't that big usually

[stable fiber]

i typically just sim in the slayer st build even for aoe sims cause im a mythic raider, you can sim in colo m+ build for a better context of what you want as colossus

[wicked aurora]

why is battlelord not a buff you can track on the CDM blizz

reeeee

[warped owl]

why track blord?

[wicked aurora]

I don't really need to, would just tickle my brain for slayer m+

[gentle atlas]

just why

[stable fiber]

they got some weird things that you can track on the cdm

that you would literally never need to track

[wicked aurora]

blord buffed MS>OP in aoe but it's below a couple of other things would simply just be a nice context buff in case you had to do 2-3 globals before getting back to it

not really that big of a deal, you have like 6 seconds to hit the button

[ionic mica]

its just reduced rage cost and it does glow when it happens

[wicked aurora]

but would be nice to have the option

[wicked aurora]

it glows for a singular global

[ionic mica]

MS is so high in your prio that you are gonna press it, blord or not

[warped owl]

to show it came of cooldown thats why

or reset I mean

[wicked aurora]

ye

I know

[warped owl]

has nothing to do with damage

[ionic mica]

the only time i can think i would go long enough for it to run out would be like OP (blord proc) cleave cs cleave x3 demo

[wicked aurora]

like I said it really doesn't matter, my lizard brain would just like to be able to see the buff

[ionic mica]

and its aoe so who cares about blord

[ionic mica]

that is fair

[hexed wadi]

dumb question, will the 285 crafted weapon be upgradeable to 298 or will it only work on non crafted items?

[ionic mica]

295 i believe

[ionic mica]

its +10 or 9 ilvl

[hexed wadi]

I see

[wicked aurora]

it's not like there are a lot of things being tracked in the CDM as far as buffs are concerned anyways lmao

[stable fiber]

thats like all u need to track

sd/executioner is there for minmaxxing BS cdr

[wicked aurora]

no EP?

[stable fiber]

no

heroic might still isnt working

and i hate it

[wicked aurora]

pretty much the only shit I got on mine and the BS buff is superfluous just never bothered to remove it

[stable fiber]

adding heroic might is a good one

it just uh doesnt work

so idk

[hexed wadi]

dang so that means hero items will only upgrade to 285... idk how I'm gonna get mythic trinkets 🙁

[wicked aurora]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[minor gust]

It's working for me it's just a different icon for some reason

[wicked aurora]

most of the time it's best to just send CS anyways so

[ionic mica]

with bonus rolls!

[stable fiber]

wth did they change the icon

[ionic mica]

from keys at least if you dont myth raid

[hexed wadi]

I mean I don't even run mythic raid and isn't the raid trinkets bis?

[minor gust]

I think so look at all ur trackable buffs one of them is it. I would send a pic but not at home right now

[latent moss]

i love rolling 9 on heart

after carrying the pug

👍

[stable fiber]

i only see master of warfare

[ionic mica]

oh yeah but then the ilvl isnt a new issue to you

[stable fiber]

that is CS at the bottom

[ionic mica]

you can get myth prism from skyreach and upgrade that i guess

puzzlebox

[minor gust]

Top left unless that's master of warfare and I got the two confused.

But seems like that guy has it

[stable fiber]

ye thats master of warfare

[wicked aurora]

that's master of warfare

[minor gust]

[wicked aurora]

for me it's just a CS icon

[stable fiber]

master of warfare can kinda work as a bandaid fix

[minor gust]

Have you tried changing profiles? Could be the bug. Cuz I swear I hovered over heroic might the other day

[stable fiber]

profile change didnt fix it

[hexed wadi]

is mythic chamerus puggable?

[vast helm]

heroic might cant track since .5

[hexed wadi]

or would it just be a shit show

[stable fiber]

its possible but ive seen demon pugs

[ionic mica]

if you do it on a reset day its a lot better

but yeah it can be a mess in pugs

[hexed wadi]

just can't commit time to a raiding guild :/

[stable fiber]

seen some pugs take 50 pulls

seen some take 5

[daring creek]

anyone tested slayer in +17 or +18? How`s it doing? I am kinda worried going in Nexus Point or Algethar as colosus

[stable fiber]

its luck of the draw

[limber badger]

Bad brother real bad… been testing it in 17s and 18s and it just feels terrible

Giga depressed about it

[daring creek]

so you go colosus, drop some aoe talents and hope you can beat tank on bosses?

[rose matrix]

It really make no sense our st is this bad in Colossus

It's depressing to be using everything and you are doing no dps

[limber badger]

Pretty much

[rose matrix]

Can't even swap to Slayer cause they shit on it so bad

[limber badger]

Or hope you get 2 more adds onto boss so you do more ST than everyone…. Weird design

[rose matrix]

Bad design

[daring creek]

with pugs aint gonna happen 100%

[rose matrix]

I'm so tired of tanks not gathering any agro

I can't even send one MS to just keep my stacks while gathering

[limber badger]

Yeah your pure st is trash but you do good aoe if you get 3 target funnel you do no buffed asleep at the wheel 1 button rotation demo lock damage…. Soooo….

[rose matrix]

It's all fun and games until you see your tank combine both packs at the 1st boss in Pit

That's when you know you're not getting funnel

[limber badger]

Not to mention you are PUNISHED SO HARD For any loss of uptime

[daring creek]

bro I got motivated to do some keys for rio, but after the conversation I feel like opening a can of beer and play solo shuffle

[rose matrix]

Which is basically inevitable as Warrior

[limber badger]

I’ve legit been crashing out and questioning my life choices since testing slayer and doing like 30% less overall in 17s now

[rose matrix]

Feels like the only class left that can basically do nothing unless you're on top of the boss

[viscid fossil]

it kinda balances out having insane aoe

[rose matrix]

I would agree normally but looking at some other specs it doesn't seem balanced to me

[clever crag]

Wouldnt say our aoe is insane tbh

[limber badger]

This. Run with dk and ret and I feel like they give up nothing to do good overall

[rose matrix]

The trade off would make sense if other classes had the same thing going on

[clever crag]

Lock and devourer exist

They do this with 0 effort

While also pulling big st

[viscid fossil]

we dont talk about other classes just having the aoe baked in :>:>:>:>:

[clever crag]

Its like fury warr

[viscid fossil]

okay not right out of the box but there is huge potential if you play around it

[clever crag]

As arms I constantly have to positin so cleave hits everything, same with demo and cs

[limber badger]

Devo dh legit can brain off. I thing I can play a bot to play that class… nothing to think about, same rotation no matter target count

[viscid fossil]

kinda sucks needing specific comp ezc

[clever crag]

Fury presses ww and just goes to town

No thought needed

[viscid fossil]

"goes to town"

lel

[clever crag]

It aoes all around you

[clever crag]

More in raid ofc than m+

[viscid fossil]

360 degree wet noodle slap yea

[rose matrix]

I don't really have an issue positioning on Arms

It's more on the tank than anything

[viscid fossil]

i was referring to like deva

[clever crag]

Yeah

[viscid fossil]

ww

whatever

[clever crag]

If tank sucks he kills your dps

[dull cosmos]

Ok. I seem to do fairly well in Heroic raid, but every time I do Chimerus I'm grey parsing so bad. What am I don't wrong? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/bleeding-hollow/craize?difficulty=4

Mythic Chimerus***

[clever crag]

Idk its weird

[rose matrix]

I don't see grey parses

[viscid fossil]

have you seen rankings lately. you cannot be jelly of fury

[clever crag]

Pad the adds more

[viscid fossil]

in any content

[dull cosmos]

The mythic Chimerus https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/bleeding-hollow/craize?difficulty=5&boss=3306

[rose matrix]

Warrior parses with adds basically rely on other people not deleting adds

[clever crag]

Chimaerus

Yeah

[viscid fossil]

the no voice puggable mythic boss..

[clever crag]

And hero classes delete them from 40y

[viscid fossil]

without having to put in skillpoints for aoe

[clever crag]

Its so stupid

That was fury gimmick

Same as execute was arms gimmick

Now they both suck at their thing

[rose matrix]

Execute goes so hard with Colossus

Hitting Slam

[clever crag]

Rip juggernaut

Rip E X E C U T E

Bring it back

[viscid fossil]

wouldnt execute focus make arms super bad for prog

[clever crag]

Why

On kill you are the hero

Let others do the heavy lifting pre 35%

[minor gust]

Execute focus makes it good for prog bad for farm

Most fights the hardest part is towards the end

[mystic thicket]

Are we still bugged

[minor gust]

Yes

[clever crag]

Its so stale rn zero ramp up

Your biggest dps increases are padding on adds

[viscid fossil]

still feels like shit to be bottom of the barrel for most tries

bc your time never came

but i get the oint

except lura

[clever crag]

Have you experienced the Legion warrior ?

[astral talon]

Lmao first bonus roll on pit 10

Got weapon

[minor gust]

There's a reason why arms doesn't do much execute dmg anymore

[astral talon]

Fresh arms alt

[clever crag]

It does

In pvp

Atleast something is good

[minor gust]

Pvp isnt real

[clever crag]

Can go on a rampage in blitz

[minor gust]

But hey good for them

[clever crag]

If you dont pvp you are stuck with inferior mogs

[lone yarrow]

first bonus roll got chest, catalyst into tier piece feelsgoodman
second bonus roll got chest, go wtf blizzard said no dupes -> learn about the bug
bonus roll refund
roll my third bonus roll -> get myth chest
open loot chest at the end of the m+

same chest hero tier

I'm so fucking done this is very xdd

[astral talon]

Elite set > anything in pve ever made

[clever crag]

Yes

[viscid fossil]

are you ass or chest man

[lone yarrow]

I'm a [Frost Wyrm Ribcage] man

[astral talon]

Thighs

[rose matrix]

They do that purposely cause there is no other reason to do pvp

[astral talon]

[astral talon]

Fun

[rose matrix]

PvP is garbage

[viscid fossil]

where do thighs drop

[onyx fiber]

Alliance bfa S1 elite set is ❤️

[rose matrix]

And if you want to climb in arenas you just get to play against people who have done it for 10 years

[astral talon]

Yes

[onyx fiber]

Only time I ever forced myself to pvp

[astral talon]

That's the neat part, you have to learn pvp to play it well

Same with high keys

[viscid fossil]

all im hearing is i dont like pvp bc im bad

[rose matrix]

It's not fun

[onyx fiber]

I don't like PvP cos I'm bad

[viscid fossil]

(i know)

[onyx fiber]

[astral talon]

Difference is you can't really lose in pve

[astral talon]

Subjective

[viscid fossil]

i suck too

[minor gust]

Retail pvp is a jumbled up mess. Game just ain't designed for fun pvp anymore

[rose matrix]

I agree, you can tell it's an after thought

I feel like they make the game for PvE then remember PvP exists

[astral talon]

Yep

Been like that since legion or bfa

[minor gust]

Yeah it's been like that for prob a decade now

[astral talon]

Its still fun for many people

And it gives good drip

[viscid fossil]

yea not a fan either. its the wrong game for serious pvp

[minor gust]

Many is a bit of an overstatement

[viscid fossil]

try balancing rock paper scissor

[rose matrix]

When I first ever played back in Shadowlands I did pvp and got up to I think 1850 rating but then quit till DF and played PvE instead

[viscid fossil]

it ruined a lot of otherwise possible fun pve stuff

[onyx fiber]

I'm just glad pve isn't balanced for PvP anymore

[viscid fossil]

they should go back to giving classes their own, completely unique to pvp skillset

and leave pve alone

[minor gust]

Pvp was good in the old days and during classic releases. Everything made sense everything was easy to read and understand. The game flower well in pvp

[astral talon]

116k characters that won at least 2 rounds of shuffle

[minor gust]

This season is probably heavily inflated

[astral talon]

14k got elite in shuffle, in a deflated season

[minor gust]

Due to the tier token achievement

[viscid fossil]

nah man, i hated it from the beginning. losing to a clothie dodging your shit. pure rng

[astral talon]

Pvp is MAD deflated at the moment

[viscid fossil]

and then they went the other way and ppl basically have to chain shit flawlessly for 5min

[minor gust]

At the moment yeah of course but a lot of ppl did it purely for the achievement in the week before M+ came out

[astral talon]

That's how it was in classic tho

All the way till bfa/shadowlands

Iirc wotlk had 30s cc chains in arena

Cata too

Mop was oneshot fiesta 100-0

[viscid fossil]

i heard complaints about current pvp being cc fest

[astral talon]

In terms of balancing, its fairly good now

[minor gust]

Yeah cc chains have always been a big thing in owow pvp

Ever since classic vanilla

[astral talon]

Last expansion yes, this one there is only one outlier, rogue

[viscid fossil]

i c

[latent moss]

hooooly pugging

not bad

[minor gust]

Holy both trinkets in ur vault next week

[latent moss]

hooooooly ilvl parses?????

[soft peak]

this is all mythic gear yes? like myth 1/6

[latent moss]

y

[soft peak]

cul

bro my trinkets are so trash

[onyx fiber]

Plenty of farmable upgrades tho

[soft peak]

im gon do the raid

alnseer maybe drops

[lucid niche]

I don’t think you really know what you’re talking about

[viscid fossil]

dropping isnt the issue. its winning

[lucid niche]

“Losing to a clothie dodging your shit” this isn’t tbc man

[viscid fossil]

i was talking about developement of pvp not current or tww