can anyone give me an idea for how much dps i should be doing at 278 ilvl? i ran simcraft and i got 61k dps... i just switched from prot warrior so my gear is not optimal at all but was jw. doing good in +12's in terms of dps but idk what benchmark should be
#arms
still cove
radiant trail
can anyone give me an idea for how much dps i should be doing at 278 ilvl? i ran...
Way to many variables to kinda just say that
radiant trail
If your collosus you do tank damage single target, but AoE you should be super blasting
frail hearth
how is slayer in M+?
radiant trail
Its fine, are you pushing keys or doing weeklies?
still cove
pushing keys, whats better?
frail hearth
yeah i got a team im pushing with '
radiant trail
Collo is better
still cove
colo i assume
urban fjord
confirm still no bugfix for cleave deepwounds
frail hearth
so the ST it brings is not enough to justify?
radiant trail
I mean thats up to you and your group
nova marsh
I JUST
radiant trail
If your giga blasting AoE and they have a good balance between AoE and ST its fine right
frail hearth
i dont undertand why not just buffing demolish on ST and MS to hit 30% more. its odd when these other classes are just blasting st
nova marsh
i dont undertand why not just buffing demolish on ST and MS to hit 30% more. its...
Because MS just has to be nerfed for evrey s1
At this point it's just blizzard's stupid tradition
halcyon flame
I agree. Ive been running SR all evening and something feels so bad. I cant pinpoint it but something is off
frail hearth
SR?
halcyon flame
skyreach
frail hearth
ahh
nova marsh
I mean yes something is
We're suppose to have constant uptime on DW on 2 targets in aoe
and we do not
nova marsh
that's just the reap nerf tbh
radiant trail
i dont undertand why not just buffing demolish on ST and MS to hit 30% more. its...
^
minor gust
It's fine. Would say it's pretty mid dmg wise. Enough if you are good you are still gonna own, but some of the broken specs in the hands of a good player is still gonna mog on your ass.
keen siren
Yeah it is mid aoe dmg tbh and ok st
pulsar frost
that's just the reap nerf tbh
is it yet
keen siren
It’s nothing impressive idk
keen siren
Maybe I just switch colo
nova marsh
is it yet
I saw in dk discord someone got their refund already
Idk if I get one
ALSO THANK GOD
minor gust
Play what you like. I have yet to do a key where I felt like my dmg was bad or trolling as slayer. @keen siren
nova marsh
Frozen they fixed trick
minor gust
Plz tell me I don't see the cloud anymore
nova marsh
Now rogues can be forced to turn down their particle density
pulsar frost
will ask again in 2 hours
minor gust
Real question is tonights dinner a Taco Bell or Wendy's night
pulsar frost
wendys always better
minor gust
Wendy's it is
granite swift
i dont undertand why not just buffing demolish on ST and MS to hit 30% more. its...
honestly even if they did demolish to hit harder on single target without the ms buff would be huge
summer shore
I miss double mortal strike conduit
sudden owl
oh my god the rogue bug got fixed before our bug
why did you not put it in the bug wowhead article
surreal spade
slayer is dead ?
summer shore
Pretty much..
uneven minnow
anyone can give me tldr? 😛
minor gust
slayer is dead ?
Not dead but worse than Colo
proud heath
Is the deep wounds from FoB still bugged?
granite swift
Is the deep wounds from FoB still bugged?
dont see warrior on this list
hybrid needle
gusty nymph
Did they send the bonus roll on us servers yet?
shy cairn
are you surprised?
bleak iris
fix what ?
rose matrix
I mean this is just a joke
bleak iris
put what we have a bug ?
strange comet
put what we have a bug ?
uneven minnow
put what we have a bug ?
3 cleave no deep wounds on crit slam/hs'
vast hinge
uneven minnow
3rd so far in heroic tonight (2nd if you dont count our unholy dk getting triple PI'd every fight)
sacred summit
what advantage does arms have over fury in pure st for mythic progging
vast helm
fix us
vast helm
fix us and give some love to us
bleak arrow
what advantage does arms have over fury in pure st for mythic progging
I also had this question. I’ve now full sent arms but still have this question.
elder path
What’s bugged?
fervor of battle slam is not proccing new mortal wounds
also no audio on spell hits
sacred summit
I also had this question. I’ve now full sent arms but still have this question.
mt fury 5m st sims about 4k dmg higher than slayer arms. most of my team's prog strats involve the melee staying on and just sending ST while ranged do the aoe/cleave duty
so i went arms today for our chim kill and went pure ST and just stuck to boss but man my parse is so shit
minor gust
what advantage does arms have over fury in pure st for mythic progging
If both are equal in ST then genuinely nothing. Theres no reason to prog as arms over fury because of how tanky fury is. Now obviously fight design will come in to play especially once more targets get introduced. But if were talking pure ST patchwork fight theres not really a reason to choose arms besides you just like it.
sacred summit
gonna see how it feels doing the same with nexus king tmr
sacred summit
If both are equal in ST then genuinely nothing. Theres no reason to prog as arms...
mt fury dps is 90,351 and slayer arms is 86,546 atm
bleak arrow
I do like when adds come I don’t have to count to 4
sacred summit
with tankiness is it colo > fury > slayer arms?
minor gust
no arms is not anywhere near as tanky as fury
sacred summit
oh i thought colo arms was very tanky with 2 defensives and dr when demolishing
sacred summit
i wonder if being able to ss executes off adds onto boss on chim or vorasius makes up for the 4k dps
minor gust
if you can do it consistently throughout the fight yes
sacred summit
eh on either fight its kinda sporadic not a consistent thing
someone here also said that arms does more execute damage which is more meaningful for prog
pulsar frost
@nova marsh is it now
nova marsh
I'm not even on wow 
minor gust
someone here also said that arms does more execute damage which is more meaningf...
yeah no even with my really bad fury gear right now. Arms execute is not much more than fury
storm canopy
everyone got fixed but warrior lol
drifting sparrow
ok so I tried simming for trinkets, and between puzzle box, gaze, heart, and plume, gaze only pulls ahead at 10 target slayer (But who would roll slayer at 10 targets?) otherwise plume and heart are always BiS am I doing something wrong?
vapid spire
Where blue text
sacred summit
yeah no even with my really bad fury gear right now. Arms execute is not much mo...
ah i see
how is arms higher in boss dmg on all the bosses than fury i dont get it
dire hinge
everyone got fixed but warrior lol
our bug is pretty tiny tbh, and we got the free cleave bug which is benefitial in the meantime
storm canopy
our bug is pretty tiny tbh, and we got the free cleave bug which is benefitial i...
ah okay fair enough
rose matrix
I mean it's small compared to Unholy
But it's a pretty big loss
No reason it shouldn't have been fixed
mystic summit
do u only get a bonus roll refund if u got a duplicate? or is blizz being as random with them as usual
bleak jasper
our bug is pretty tiny tbh, and we got the free cleave bug which is benefitial i...
what cleave bug
maiden hull
hello all, just recently swapped to arms from fury, trying it out for a bit, what hero tree is best for raid? or does it depend on the fight? talking mostly about voidspire
upper sparrow
what cleave bug
CS resets the cooldown of cleave
bleak jasper
oh lmao
maiden hull
hello all, just recently swapped to arms from fury, trying it out for a bit, wha...
just been going off the builds on wowhead
dire hinge
hello all, just recently swapped to arms from fury, trying it out for a bit, wha...
i'd check WarcraftLogs per-boss (and difficulty). Most of the time it'll be slayer (and variants of it), but there are some bosses where Colossus does well too
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?class=Warrior&spec=Arms
if you pick Arms + Difficulty + Specific Boss you get a heatmap of the talents people take in the top 100
elder path
or am i high
youre high, but there also used to be an animation
midnight root
youre high, but there also used to be an animation
Wasn’t it just old condemn?
shy cairn
i dont know how you guys are playing this spec. literal tank damage in ST
old urchin
When I press cleave it makes it all feel better
dire hinge
could for a little bit (got patched)
urban fjord
i dont know how you guys are playing this spec. literal tank damage in ST
i just accept i do tank damage and hope nobody looks at the meters during bosses
dire hinge
as a funnel class it's to be expected though. Pure single target isn't our forte. Our job is to get the dungeon party to the next pack as soon as possible
elder path
Wasn’t it just old condemn?
Don’t think so, p sure it just showed you slamming after the cleave
hushed pine
Are we Slayer or Colo for m+
dire hinge
either one, but colossus does a bit more now
if you really dislike it slayer can still do fine
hushed pine
Gave it a try after the "buffs" in AA 13, felt weaker somehow
dire hinge
yeah AA has a lot of pure single target fights, but also some huge packs. Lots of variance with how your tank pulls
rose matrix
Slayer feels pretty terrible with the AoE hit it took along with the bug
Idk in what world you'd take it over Colossus right now
dire hinge
pretty easily, you only care about it in AoE and cast it once every 15 seconds
urban fjord
yeah its really cool to hit a button that applies a dot that doesnt interact with your kit at all every 15 seconds
reef birch
i honesly cant tell if that was sarcastic
urban fjord
its big sarcasm
hushed pine
Slayer feels pretty terrible with the AoE hit it took along with the bug
In higher keys I sometimes focus more on having slightly more ST than cleave damage
hybrid needle
deep wounds below rend just feels weird
hushed pine
But rn it feels like we're in a weird spot
rose matrix
This patch is just dogshit
And all the changes make Arms feel worse imo
And we're bugged
rose matrix
Ye but it feels worse to play
urban fjord
what kind of meters are you seeing where ST is WAY better
wind hatch
i'd argue otherwise
hushed pine
Gonna give Slayer another go in m+
wind hatch
what kind of meters are you seeing where ST is WAY better
colossus is simming 8% higher in st
rose matrix
You think smashing Slam all day in st is better?
wind hatch
that's big
dire hinge
arms always feels bad to play, it just comes in different flavors every season ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hushed pine
Otherwise just sticking to Colo lmao
rose matrix
arms always feels bad to play, it just comes in different flavors every season ¯...
You're right there. They do feel bad all the time
wind hatch
You think smashing Slam all day in st is better?
before this we pressed cleave in st
did you like that more?
urban fjord
8% of nothing is still nothing
dire hinge
It's always like driving a manual-transmission car without any training.
You eventually figure it out, but man it makes no sense starting out
rose matrix
I honestly did prefer actually using other abilities in ST yes
hybrid needle
give me back my mortal wounds
minor gust
Otherwise just sticking to Colo lmao
Colo will just be better. Slayer is there just if you wanna have fun or you really hate colo. The spec can still do well
urban fjord
looking at logs of people timing 20s on ST bosses they're doing like 55-60k
wind hatch
I honestly did prefer actually using other abilities in ST yes
it's not like slam is a high prio ability or anything, its still a filler
urban fjord
wheres the buff at
rose matrix
it's not like slam is a high prio ability or anything, its still a filler
Yes, but you end up hitting it a good amount
Either way as long as Dev and Unholy are good and get bug fixes instantly Blizzard is all good
hybrid needle
Slayer a fun time when you see your Bladestorm is top dmg at the end of a key
Biz said slayer is bad now so slayer is bad now 
minor gust
rose matrix
Slayer is pretty bad compared to Colossus that's the thing
Only dungeon you can make an argument for is AA
hushed pine
No hate to Colo at all, I like it. I just prefer Slayer due to its ST
minor gust
but pretty bad is a bit of an overstatement
hybrid needle
I dont know who needs to hear this. But slayer arms is still better than fury thane
shy cairn
is it though
dire hinge
yeah... swapped to Arms... 
hybrid needle
i legit swapped because my damage was depressing
reef birch
Im coming off WW s2 arms and the gameplay feel is flipped 180
should i stick to fury for keys?
rose matrix
I am only annoyed with the class becasue of how other specs are being tuned
It makes no sense to me
Why do we have to tradeoff ST and AoE for buffs to either when specs like Unholy and Dev are getting massive buffs
urban fjord
anything about funnel, or st buffs is all cope for warrior believers
you are correct
the balance tuning is dogshit
dire hinge
i mean arms is one of the few specs that has more buttons now than TWW, and we have a long APL just to do tank damage in M+ Bosses. It's warranted to feel weird about it.
rose matrix
Now we are bugged and are going to be fixed after the OP classes get fixed
plain solstice
dire hinge
"bugged", it really doesn't impact our dps that much tbh
yeah it's not working, but like, we're not screwed over it
rose matrix
It's a pretty big hit at a very important damage profile
urban fjord
^^^^
people waiting for bugfixes are still going to be sad after it
wind hatch
looking at logs of people timing 20s on ST bosses they're doing like 55-60k
are you looking at logs before the patch or something?
urban fjord
are you looking at logs before the patch or something?
after the patch
rose matrix
Every warrior player knew we weren't going to get fixed with everything else
As soon as the post came out about fixes I was expecting warrior to not even be there
This class is basically a meme
dire hinge
we reported it, but it's genuinely not as impactful as say, Unholy. You're welcome to complain, but there's much larger fish to fry for other spec bugs at the moment. They'll get to our single, small bug when they can, then probably fix the other bug that actually improves our dps (free cleave) ¯_(ツ)_/¯
urban fjord
you can pull critcakes logs on ST after the "buff" this week and see him doing 50-60k on pure ST bosses you cant pull cleave onto
rose matrix
No but surely it makes sense to have really good AoE and bad ST. There isn't any specs that do both really well
urban fjord
every meta spec does both well wdym
dire hinge
yeah that's actually pretty common...
dire hinge
nah, it melds together with the other baseless complaints pretty smoothly 😂
minor gust
the main tilter about this is arms has had this problem since DF talents came out
we have always had to choose between ST and AOE since the talents came out
urban fjord
if arms was like top 3 AOE in the game with piss ST it would be fine
rose matrix
nah, it melds together with the other baseless complaints pretty smoothly 😂
You juse accept this dog shit tuning for some reason. It's terrible and this patch is horrible.
urban fjord
but not having insane AOE is not worth bringing you if youre an actual liability on bosses
rose matrix
I get there isn't anything we can do about it but Warrior high key gets shit on regularly in this way
urban fjord
gotta reroll dk or dev dh like everyone else
wet scroll
Whats the fastest way to get hero crests?
rose matrix
They are fixing how many bugs on Unholy so it can't start doing the most damage again and they can't fix one bug for us?
urban fjord
need to shutdown the discord
dire hinge
You juse accept this dog shit tuning for some reason. It's terrible and this pat...
"for some reason" it's because we have no sway on prioritizing things to change anything. We're a volunteer discord and nobody works for blizzard
urban fjord
they placated the ret paladins
rose matrix
"for some reason" it's because we have no sway on prioritizing things to change...
Doesn't really change how dumb it is. Warrios have an issue with there class and it just sticks forever
minor gust
I mean
urban fjord
i really enjoyed fury slayer in TWW can i have that back
dire hinge
you know what, you're right, we need to just bootstrap ourselves to fix our class design
it's the people who are at fault
minor gust
you just need to relax a bit
rose matrix
you know what, you're right, we need to just bootstrap ourselves to fix our clas...
But you're reasoning with them not fixing Warrior
That's what doesn't make sense to me
dire hinge
what are you talking about
urban fjord
best bet is to pray for a strong tierset next season that will fix it
rose matrix
dire hinge
yeah, they put out a blue post earlier this week saying they're addressing the most critical bugs first?
wind hatch
you can pull critcakes logs on ST after the "buff" this week and see him doing 5...
im so unemployed that i looked at all of critcakes logs after the 22nd and I couldnt find one where he was doing less than 65k single target on boss with no funnel
dire hinge
Arms' bug is like water under the bridge
wind hatch
im not trying to say that the st buff is enough or anything
dire hinge
Wait, CS resetting Cleave is a bug and not QoL?
or a completley undocumented and uncommunicated change (likely a bug)
robust cypress
Wait what's bugged about arms again?
dark onyx
Not complaining tho lol
dark onyx
Smooths out the rotation just a small amounts, feels good
dire hinge
Wait what's bugged about arms again?
The free slam you get from FoB (two per Cleave w/ SS) doesn't apply Mortal Wounds. That's it
also we get a free Cleave reset if you CS for some reason.
And we lost our FoB animation.
urban fjord
i just want fob animation back
robust cypress
why is heroic strike a jump animation instead of a cool overhead strike
like condemn
dire hinge
i believe it's just our old CS animation
wind hatch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CnWtBhTFad3cxNXp?fight=5&type=damage-done&t...
shiiit i missed this one cuz the parse was low lol
rose matrix
I am only confused looking at the post how half of the bug fixes are that much more important than ours
dire hinge
talk to blizzard, idk man ¯_(ツ)_/¯
minor gust
do you know every bug right now?
dark onyx
I have 39% crit, think I need more? 🙂
dire hinge
dont come after us about it though, we literally have no sway over such things.
urban fjord
warrior is just not high prio for them with them reworking specs over and over
rose matrix
talk to blizzard, idk man ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I was only shit talking Blizzard you basically came at me for doing that so I responded to you
minor gust
not everyone no theres still bugs
slow saddle
Which other doomed class
minor gust
I mean UHDK still has a bug xD
slow saddle
Tbf dks were crying and basicøy shutdown discord
dire hinge
I mean UHDK still has a bug xD
slow saddle
Wtf🤣🤣
reef birch
cursed
rose matrix
They seem to have it right over there
dire hinge
may i never play a pet spec again 
maiden apex
We still have the slam/deepwounds bug?
balmy kindle
yes
maiden apex
That pretty significant st dps loss. Hope they fix it soon
minor gust
Slam and deep wounds is working fine. Its only the slams that specifically come from Fervor of battle are the ones not applying DW
stable fiber
That pretty significant st dps loss. Hope they fix it soon
its a prio dps loss, not really a ST dps loss
but i know what u mean
i kinda wanna see how big of a loss it is in like a paladins encounter
minor gust
probably not too bad due to how much of it ends up being 2T
stable fiber
its a shame we dont have any working logs, i want to see how much deep wounds actually goes up
seems like the % dmg done from deep wounds hasnt changed much from pre .5 to .5, so heroic striking and slamming without fob makes up for a decent amount of the damage lost from no cleave deep wounds
id imagine it would go up a ton with fob deep wounds
elder zealot
Just checking, are you all also having sounds effect issues with your abilities?
scarlet garnet
Do i save my refunded rolls or do i just send them in pit, the only bad drop i could get is the ring (cuz ive got it) or the cloak. thoughts?
scarlet garnet
Just checking, are you all also having sounds effect issues with your abilities...
are u male orc
elder zealot
Yes actually
cosmic pecan
Is there a trick with demolish like a way you have to angle it to hit all the mobs
scarlet garnet
Yes actually
yeah go female it fixes it. Its a male orc thing
slow saddle
Is there a trick with demolish like a way you have to angle it to hit all the mo...
Same as cleave
Dreadnaught
Ideally in a line🥰
elder zealot
Wow are you serious Dreamtime? It's like a race and gender specific issue?
pulsar frost
Do i save my refunded rolls or do i just send them in pit, the only bad drop i c...
When did you get yours
scarlet garnet
When did you get yours
umm i just woke up and it was there just now
slow saddle
If u watch the best warriors, u c their tanks stack shit properøy
pulsar frost
umm i just woke up and it was there just now
Eu?
pulsar frost
Hm
scarlet garnet
Wow are you serious Dreamtime? It's like a race and gender specific issue?
yeah it is by the looks. i bug reported it. i actually faction changed to orc because i wanted to be a chunky boi a day before the patch so i was filthy haha
elder zealot
LOL wow what bad luck, it's like washing your car and then it raining the next day
AKA you caused this bug for us all 😠
stoic oriole
theyve gotta fix it someday right
slow saddle
Lel just watched 21 aa with meta comp
Y i dont c phts comp competin
The st dmg is just mad
chilly wind
man after a few days of coming back to arms i gotta admit that I am starting to love demolish. spec feels kinda heavy hitting again
slow saddle
man after a few days of coming back to arms i gotta admit that I am starting to ...
Facts
Demo should do more dmg
But it feels good coz u are rooted and swings look heavy
chilly wind
also the adrenalin rush when you start to demolish and some puddles spawn under you
and you barely make it out
slow saddle
U can leap out though
And still swing last swing
But arms and fury desp needs a st buff
chilly wind
yeah, st is kinda clunky, especially without shaman
cosmic pecan
@slow saddle so you don’t want anything behind you than ?
hybrid needle
give col mehr rage and itll be fiiiine
flat willow
with charge weaving and a shaman, you have rage
st still is very bad
reverting the mortal strike nerf they did for fun last patch would be a good first step
lucid niche
Bonus rolling on mythic chimmy getting nothing and getting them back to try my luck in pit!
storm canopy
Bonus rolling on mythic chimmy getting nothing and getting them back to try my ...
Same! It paid of for me Got wep and neck
lucid niche
With that said, Next week do I have a chance of getting the same item from chim as this week?
misty bridge
They’ve already refunded them?
buoyant cargo
They’ve already refunded them?
Yeah so i can get 4 myth track items this id out of M+ xD
soft venture
do we ever think they bring slayer back for m+? I feel like it was only around for a few weeks..
twilit hemlock
Probably a dumb question. In execute are we only using MS with 2 stacks of EP?
twilit hemlock
Thank you!
soft venture
twilit hemlock
I read that. I just wanted to make sure that is the only time we are pressing MS. I got some contradicting info and wanted confirmation from the warrior brains.
radiant moon
I read that. I just wanted to make sure that is the only time we are pressing MS...
what brains
we no brain
we zugzug
silent minnow
Probably a dumb question. In execute are we only using MS with 2 stacks of EP?
Only in slayer
misty bridge
Yeah so i can get 4 myth track items this id out of M+ xD
oh, just received mine in the mail as well
back to the pitt gamba
radiant moon
back to the pitt gamba
man of culture 😄
keen siren
I like the new heroic strike animation I think it looks cool
I think it’s weird though it doesn’t do the animation when u use cleave and consume the heroic strike proc
It’s the cs animation from legion isn’t it?
untold pewter
i only got 1 voidcore refunded
Only those before the specified date were refunded
Could be that you used the 2nd past the date?
urban fjord
i sent both within 20 min of the server opening on patch day
untold pewter
No clue then
Maybe send a ticket
urban fjord
like maybe WR fast on how fast i sent them
idk if its worth pushing it since ill just get AI responses and then a too bad response from a GM
but i sure wouldve liked to roll PoS twice this week
the one i got was cape xd
untold pewter
Well I didn't even get the chance to log in this week yet until today so no beta test rewards for me
untold pewter
even with st focused build, my st is garbage in keys
Our st is bad no matter what you do
wind hatch
yep that's just how it is unfortunately
safe island
i dont think its that much
I WOULD’VE HAD A 99 PARSE IF IT WEREN’T FOR THAT BUG, BUT RIGHT NOW I’M SITTING AT 45 
stable fiber
everyone else is playing with the bug also...
but true
u 99 there if its not bugged
hybrid needle
Even more reasons to roll dk
stable fiber
that spec like wasnt playable in raid with that bug so idk
stable fiber
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hHn6CKzDpxra2uDGviFtcP
0 raid buffs and aoe talents
stable fiber
that is what a 0 raid buffed colossus aoe build looks like yeah
buoyant barn
it is so low when you get no buff?
stable fiber
well colossus is just normally very small
because the spec has extremely high funnel and sustained aoe
but yeah no buffs hurts
and no consums
consums is a lot of dps
and like bshout
flat willow
so basically you play one of the worst single target spec in the game, who benefits the most from buffs like shaman
but sheesh 44k
buoyant barn
Oh ok
stable fiber
uhdk would still be like 70-80k though 
actually uhdk sims are pretty ass without lust or potion
so
flat willow
unholy could just do their burst rotation and afk until next army
and still beat that
slow saddle
I say again
Why are blizzard so afraid to buff st of the worst specs
Like if gets a bit to much just reduce again
Like they promosed agressive tuning
We got opposite
summer shore
our st is heavily dependant on ms
stable fiber
the thing is fury aoe works a bit differently then a majority of other specs in the game
arms st could be changed a bit
summer shore
but they always nerf ms
slow saddle
I mean currently arms u could afford to buff op a bit
Which have low impact on aoe. As col
And higher as slayer who needs it
summer shore
imagine your strongest st button is 33000 damage
slow saddle
Theres deep wounds that could be buffed with very little cleave effecr on arms
slow saddle
Fury u can afford 2 increase aa
stable fiber
that button is just a noodle unless you have every button buffing it
slow saddle
And rb again
limber dirge
Or just make MS / other abilities hit harder when they only hit one target, for quick tuning.
slow saddle
that button is just a noodle unless you have every button buffing it
A 10% buff would be a good start
slow saddle
Or just make MS / other abilities hit harder when they only hit one target, for ...
Nn
summer shore
demolish does double the damage when there is only one target
flat willow
even fury, they can do exactly like they did on outlaw, buff the single target and reduce the % of meat cleaver by a little bit to compensate if you don't wanna buff aoe
summer shore
would be a good start
slow saddle
No
safe island
can they still do more balance changes?
flat willow
but it's not like fury is overperforming in aoe either
don't they just spam thunderclap
slow saddle
Exactly
flat willow
not even affected by meat cleaver
slow saddle
Like warrior is undertuned
flat willow
ofc that's all pointless talk since fury just got nerfed
slow saddle
Arms lives by a 4p that unintentionally makes us funnel gods
stable fiber
can they still do more balance changes?
they probably will, the design team seemed to have different opinions from the balance team and the design team buffed 2 op ass specs
stable fiber
fob mainly
slow saddle
But havin 35% dmg up on mt for aaages carries
M8 the amp can be up almost to next cs with luck
summer shore
balance team is just clueless
slow saddle
Like the different of 10 sec uptime to 20 sec
Is insane
Prio target takes 35++% more dmg
stable fiber
the funnel does not exist at all without fob
slow saddle
Ofc ofc
flat willow
the question is, will devorer dh stay a hero spec for the entire expansion or just this patch
stable fiber
the question is, will devorer dh stay a hero spec for the entire expansion or ju...
its going to get tuned down
slow saddle
Will it though?
summer shore
new spec is naturally just gonna be op
stable fiber
i refuse to believe they keep it this way for longer then a week
stable fiber
ppl pushing rn is irrelevant
because our characters still have 9-10 more ilvl to get
vocal flicker
the question is, will devorer dh stay a hero spec for the entire expansion or ju...
It's a new spec, so it will be op a few seasons for sure
slow saddle
Like nerf dh and dk and they cant do a million dps
I dno man the tuning this season os atrocious, when it comes 2 st
Its a huge joke
Part of blame ofc are insane combat pots
stable fiber
colo st is also like arguably the best its ever been btw
which is funny to think about
slow saddle
I know
But thats also coz slayers st str is the weakest
Its ever been
Relative str 2 other classes
flat willow
and again, being the only class in the game where the hero specs are " ST vs aoe "
summer shore
slayer was doing just fine in keys until they kiled it
slow saddle
Also battlelord and fatality... needs 2 be
flat willow
imagine if unholy dk riders did 0 aoe
slow saddle
Close in talent tree
Killin me we cant have those 2 together easily
Should be same line
More ms = bigger exe later i mean how are they opposite sodea
stable fiber
imagine if unholy dk riders did 0 aoe
well warrior has much more power built into their hero talents, dks power is all in their spec tree
slow saddle
Its synergy
stable fiber
like remove hero talents from the equation and just compare unholy dk and arms/fury warrior spec trees
slow saddle
Warrior designer of hero talents ruined us idc
stable fiber
unholy dk has SO SO SO much more power built into their spec tree its crazy
slow saddle
Lockin things to hero trees
flat willow
well warrior has much more power built into their hero talents, dks power is all...
well yeah, and it's the same for every other spec in the game. There's one hero spec that is meta for raid and m+ and the other that is useless
and it can change each patch
but warrior has slayer for raid and col for m+
and it would be more healthy if one was just better than the other each season
like every other spec in the game
stable fiber
colossus is playable on like 3 bosses in raid rn
actually think this is the most colossus has ever been played in raid
feel like this tier has by far the most variety arms has ever had
wind hatch
u played colo 3/8 fights last tier
deft bluff
bliz doesnt love us do they
flat willow
I mean yeah, this tier has more aoe fights but that's not the problem
stable fiber
the st is yeah
flat willow
colossus isn't allowed to be good in st cuz that's slayer's niche
and slayer isn't allowed to be good in aoe cuz that's col
slow saddle
And slayer isnt good in st
flat willow
and that's just not how any other hero spec in the game is designed
the hero specs work against each other
slow saddle
Well niches are simple slayer should do the most in exexute
Profiles just slightly different
Take thane vs slaye on fury
Apart from rough tuning to st
Its actually very good
slow saddle
Its still true r
flat willow
fighting for my damn life against the tank
daring prairie
Me going into bstance to mog the arms warrior
slow saddle
I mean does it oversim?
stable fiber
it does yes
slow saddle
I c em do insane dmg
stable fiber
most like uhdk boss damage parses are not at 130 or like the 120k my dk sims at in shittier gear
stable fiber
should check some l'ura prog if guilds did it today
thats usually pretty telling
yo another arms warrior killed the boss
oh shit
slow saddle
most like uhdk boss damage parses are not at 130 or like the 120k my dk sims at ...
I still say puttin col at 100k
Wouldnt break the system
flat willow
if only 2 arms warrior kill a boss, does that mean one parse is 100 and the other is 0
slow saddle
Unless it all came from lile demo buff🤣
slow saddle
if only 2 arms warrior kill a boss, does that mean one parse is 100 and the oth...
Facts
stable fiber
if only 2 arms warrior kill a boss, does that mean one parse is 100 and the oth...
well...
it might
slow saddle
No beloran😅
reef birch
is the nexus point ring set bonus better than having 2 rings with proper stats for m+
flat willow
🫡
stable fiber
i dont have beloren either
slow saddle
As is said
stable fiber
wcl been laggy
slow saddle
Only chance is
Demolish gettin pumped
And col gettin st
Imagine big duckin demos eggies
radiant trail
is the nexus point ring set bonus better than having 2 rings with proper stats f...
sim
slow saddle
I hate that col cant be our st raid spec
Just 1 season
Raid made it, if we did dmg
flat willow
the ring set bonus is nice in single target but very negligible in aoe
so yeah probably equip 2 rings with best stats, unless you are annoyed when people flame you on bosses
cuz the tank is right next to you
stable fiber
I hate that col cant be our st raid spec
idk if its possible
execute is always very strong and colossus has a much weaker execute phase
they would have to implement execute into colossus somehow
flat willow
what I'd like is for slayer to be meta in m+ for a patch
just buff the sudden death proc rate by 50%
🧠
stable fiber
thats what i wanted for ST atleast
xdd
sd proc rate buff fixes slayer rage and bs cdr issues
while being a hefty st buff
limber dirge
Sudden death procs demolish on hit; problem solved.
stable fiber
what
not at all
lmao
it should be a passive yeah but it solves 0 problems
just frees up a talent point to put into some bullshit
reef birch
its a slight st boost that no one will notice or complain about
im trying to be realistic
flat willow
no but i would really like if critical thinking was back to being a passive
being allowed to press execute and not doing it, not fun
stable fiber
im trying to be realistic
i dont think its unrealistic to make sd proc more imo
also idk if thats even that big of a st buff ngl
that point would go into what let me think
flat willow
well for colossus it wouldn't be a buff at all
since you don't press it
at least in the m+ build
stable fiber
yeah
flat willow
stable fiber
oh literally the only point it can go into is brute force or efficiency and neither of those do like anything for st
slow saddle
Remove cleave from practiced strikes
Buff it to 25%
Consider buffin ep to a higher number
Give us more rage e play with
And col easily presses it
We would now but no rage
Move fatality so u take battelordnand fatslity 2gether
Or ideally make battlelord baseline
As it fr makes arms play bettrr
stable fiber
you could switch master tactician and battle lord
idk that talent is literally never getting taken in any circumstance its such a shit talent
why did they make that
slow saddle
Yup
deft bluff
do logs for beloran count the 2nd phase dmg only?
slow saddle
Even at 10%
flat willow
now i'm not an expert on fury but
is it better or worse than this
feels like they pranked fury and arms with the last talent
limber dirge
Mortal wounds should just be baseline imo, and fatality should be where it sits
stable fiber
thats a pretty good talent in execute and for slayer
slow saddle
Yup
slow saddle
Mortal wounds should just be baseline imo, and fatality should be where it sits
Nah makes no sense
Talent is buffed by ms
But is placed in exe part
?-?
limber dirge
Giving us a reason to push execute is not a bad idea
espesically if rage gen is ever addressed
flat willow
yeah, surelly they will do that
slow saddle
Ye ofc but like
Practiced strikes
Bad talent
Seperate clesve
For the love of god
Else cleave power slayer vs col will always be mad
stable fiber
still dont know why practiced strikes buffs whirlwind now
slow saddle
Just the on of many ks is enuff
stable fiber
like?
slow saddle
Same man same
flat willow
I thought it was to be a mirror for slayer to let them proc reap the storm with whirlwind
but then i checked
and they still can't
slow saddle
Also cleave baseline man and remove ww from arms
stable fiber
I thought it was to be a mirror for slayer to let them proc reap the storm with ...
are u talking abt practiced strikes?
oh
i see what u mean now
flat willow
yeah, with the latest change to reap the storm I thought they'd add whirlwind to it, so slayer doesn't have a dead talent
but no
stable fiber
yeah yeah i get u
tame hill
Guys I dont know if this is already known but consuming 2 stacks of SD increase the cd of CS by 1 second as Colossus
So a bit like slayer bug
stable fiber
Guys I dont know if this is already known but consuming 2 stacks of SD increase ...
ive felt this but im not sure why it happens
it might be a weird gcd thing
flat willow
oh i thought i was going insane
errant quail
Guys so im planning to switch from fury to arms
stable fiber
this isnt limited to arms only btw
errant quail
Any specific guides
stable fiber
it happens on other specs with main cds
errant quail
The 1 biz posted 2 weeks ago still applies?
stable fiber
felt it on arcane with touch of the magi
errant quail
Or changed abit cuz of 12.0.5
tame hill
How do you possible fuck up the code for this
stable fiber
so i dont think its a arms exclusive thing, they have fucked up a lot of shit
tame hill
I dont get it
stable fiber
idk
its been happening all tier long though
also not exclusive to the .5 patch
and hasnt been fixed yet
leaden garnet
The 1 biz posted 2 weeks ago still applies?
90% of the guide applies
lucid niche
Same! It paid of for me Got wep and neck
ayy me too, just got the ring and garfrost's
leaden garnet
All that changes you use slam as the filler 100% of the time on ST (Execute with SD procs still for rage reasons)
stable fiber
the other annoying thing that happens is you lose a gcd sometimes for no reason
like you mortal strike, but the ms doesnt go on cd and doesnt actually happen, but you still incur a gcd
happens on uhdk and arcane as well
idk how that happens either but it does
errant quail
90% of the guide applies
Ah i see perfect
latent moss
its been happening all tier long though
happens on ret too
stable fiber
specs with high haste or high haste build into certain buttons
its super common on
DDH consume button ive felt it on like 5 times already and ive played the spec for 4 hours
stable fiber
how good would be a warr in FULL crafted gear and nothing else?
with or without tier set
astral talon
with
stable fiber
probably not the worst
astral talon
cuz im gearing my warr again, and i could deadass just get full crafted
stable fiber
its very flexible in stats cause you can just recraft
stable fiber
grab the nexus point rings and a haste crit neck
you can craft like 4-5 pieces next week
depending on if you craft a weapon or not
flat willow
and not bother with anything xD
if your warrior is fully naked just send all your void coins in pit of saron
every item is bis except the cloak
stable fiber
what does cloak catalyst turn into
flat willow
so with this week coins + next week that's 4 bis items ( if you dodge the cloak heheh )
weak rain
lucid niche
exploit early and often boys, rolled chim got boots, they refunded and i rolled pit 2x ring and hammer
astral talon
if your warrior is fully naked just send all your void coins in pit of saron
mhhhmmmm
stable fiber
you can just craft a cloak anyways
slam big rerolls into pit of saron for gigabis items
that dungeon is crazy wow
6/8 pieces are crit haste
and 8/8 have crit on them
the cloak is a brick though
stable fiber
that kinda exists
flat willow
another that only loots crit/haste
stable fiber
magisters is very haste/mastery heavy for plate
not as crazy as pit tho
algethar has a lot of vers
maisara big on mastery
seat also crazy for vers
so many of our catalyst pieces are haste crit as well
flat willow
nothing feels better than having 0 vers on your gear during the first season of an expansion
olive topaz
Only thing they never seem to get right with dungeon loot pools is jewellery
We have good options for arms at least
But other classes I play there’s a criminal lack of necks
flat willow
or second season of war within, where every m+ trinket was complete garbage except the floodgate one
and you had to pray in delves
if you didn't raid
stable fiber
if you are a heavy mastery spec
there is not a single heavy mastery neck
i lied
btw
i just lied
olive topaz
Turbo boost gave everyone a free house of cards that season at least
stable fiber
march has a very heavy mastery neck
olive topaz
which was better than most mythic M+ trinkets
stable fiber
very wide variety of rings though is nice
not a single mastery neck in m+ pool is pretty awful though
nova briar
Do i always have to pair up demolish with CS in aoe?
stable fiber
2 haste vers necks
blissful tinsel
This whole refund rolls thing is fucking insane, people in my guild are getting refunded and they didn’t get dupes, so they’re ahead 2-3 items
Blizzard have cooked things so bad
stable fiber
This whole refund rolls thing is fucking insane, people in my guild are getting ...
i didnt get dupes but i got 2 dogshit items
so im glad i got mine back
stable fiber
i can reroll mythic l'ura now though
which is a positive
if i hit the ring first try i will be so happy
that saves a INSANE amount of crests
and is also just bis forever
olive topaz
Wait so did they just hit everyone with two extra rolls?
Need to log on and check lol
olive topaz
Ah ok rip
blissful tinsel
It’s actually unbelievable haha
blissful tinsel
So then just give everyone extra rolls
olive topaz
That’s a nice haul
fresh spire
rings not usable till i can upgrade it next week but bonker is great
blissful tinsel
rings not usable till i can upgrade it next week but bonker is great <:gladge:96...
What sort of gain was going from crafted weap to 2 x crafted pieces and the big weap
misty bridge
For me switching to the pit bonker was a 901 dps increase
olive topaz
What sort of gain was going from crafted weap to 2 x crafted pieces and the big ...
On my main it was a 1.3% gain (not gotten a myth weap on my warrior yet)
fresh spire
What sort of gain was going from crafted weap to 2 x crafted pieces and the big ...
me losing my second embelish was like 800/900 dps
need to craft cloak next week to get 2nd back
olive topaz
I just ended up using hero crests to fill in the other embellishment
So I could upgrade a weapon and trinket to max
fresh spire
tbf i probs could craft hc cloak with embel
fresh spire
i got mythic chest already so kinda useless
fresh spire
tbf it could be useful for me in slayer as my haste is stupidly low
fresh spire
ye its shit if you hit wrong stuff, same time next week walking in with 2 rolls and maybe vault roll your just going to hit only good stuff
other than cloak
spark mango
guys, do you use eagle eye enchant on your rings?
stable fiber
yes
spark mango
btw, they gave me back 3 bonus rolls
stable fiber
btw, they gave me back 3 bonus rolls
did you take reroll from vault
fresh spire
but hopefully loot better instaed
spark mango
i did
flat willow
actually since he got 6 coins, he is on week 3 while we are on week 1
spark mango
dude, crest cap exists, i dont think this is a bonus for me, i got 2 duplicate rings in the first run, if i get it again its kinda fucked
flat willow
spark mango
3 rolls on same ring
spark mango
they did reset the bonus rolls table so you might loot same items
this is golden info, i will avoid pit of saron to avoid getting the ring
ty
void junco
guys, i need your oppinion: i have heart of the ancient hunger/gaze/plume - which combinations should i use? currently i use heart+plume for m+ and heart+gaze for raiding. what would you suggest?
blissful tinsel
guys, i need your oppinion: i have heart of the ancient hunger/gaze/plume - whic...
?? Sim yourself bro
Check archon.gg per dungeon/boss
void junco
i did. it always tells me to use heart+plume, but i thought gaze is very good
latent moss
gaze is good but not that good as arms
spark mango
what do you think, with my 3 first rolls i got chest and 2x ring from pit, now i got neck and back with my new rolls, should i roll on pit again or do antoher dungeon
tawny badger
did everyone get their voidcores? i havent gotten mine yet
full obsidian
I got 3 for some reason
tawny badger
guess i got scammed on 2 characters even tho i used mine when hte bug was a thing
fair tinsel
love how dks cried for like a couple days and their shit got fixed quick
meanwhile fervor of battle:
Got my cores
time to swing at vorasius trinket again
already gave me this chungus of a ring
shit's like 4.30% crit by itself
untold pewter
Check archon.gg per dungeon/boss
Please don't use archon
blissful tinsel
Why not? Helpful tool to see what people are using?
Literally just pulls data from WCL
untold pewter
Or at least I'd not recommend using archon as the primary source of data
Shit is bad
Use raider.io check the top players
And learn to dig through warcraftlogs to truly understand the whys and hows
Archon chews data indiscriminately and there's too much shit in the mix
Often times I've seen it recommend shit options
That were not being used by top performers because it was still pulling from "the majority"
blissful tinsel
How is it bad? It’s literally just pulling data from logs and presenting it in an easy to digest fashion, makes for an easy quick reference to see what people are doing
untold pewter
If you want to be part of the majority by all means go ahead
If you want to be closer to the top end you'd not be using that and would rather track the top players picks and go for deeper dives than "easy to digest" versions of the data you're looking for
Hypothetically, If 90% of the people use a certain talent but the remaining 10% are the top perfomers you'll br advised to join the 90% and not to learn from the top performers
In crude terms
blissful tinsel
Bro you are cooked I’m sorry, it literally just shows you the top log builds, gear by % used and even a heat map of talents to see how it varies
It’s up to you to interpret that information but it is definitely a helpful (quick) tool when combined with the other things at our disposal
deft bluff
Archon is just a data collection
To get the best builds/gear combos, just look at builds of top players
They usually cook smth up like the two swaps to make colo not have healer ST
untold pewter
That's what i tried to say
blissful tinsel
To get the best builds/gear combos, just look at builds of top players
This is literally the data archon pulls 😭
jovial hare
do people not understand how archon works
blissful tinsel
do people not understand how archon works
They must not, you can’t argue with it? It’s literally pulling from wcl, raider.io etc
jovial hare
it literally shows THE best runs
like
what
untold trench
Well, it shows not the best run necessarily, it shows the best run in the set bracket. It is a popularity poll, not a "this is the best option, period"
It does not show Noxiv's 21 key, as an example, it shows a 20, as that is where the data is at. Yet Noxic dont have the same talent setup as that shown, meaning it doesnt show the "top key", just percieved for that poll section.
It is alright data, but it is just that, datapoints. It aint a "correct choice" guide. It is something to help you consider your options.
blissful tinsel
Yeh exactly, just another tool you can use and a quick one at that, which for the majority of players is helpful
It doesn’t just show the best run either it shows you a heat map of talents used which is actually helpful
untold trench
For the majority, the 90%, I would say they are better off not looking at data for what to do. Just play the game, do what they want, and have fun.
untold pewter
Well, it shows not the best run necessarily, it shows the best run in the set br...
This is my point
If you want precise info about the very top runs you stay away from that and do your own research
It's good for people that are just looking at general pointers
Not for people looking at min-maxing potential
blissful tinsel
I mean I play at the top end and I still use it as a quick reference, especially great for alts and just getting quick info on what people play per dungeon or boss
deft bluff
This is literally the data archon pulls 😭
mb then i thought it pulled all data!
blissful tinsel
Archon is part of the wcl group
untold pewter
It is and the wcl group also shows things like "most picked talents by % on top 100" and fails in the exact same way because "most picked" doesn't always equal top performers
untold trench
The "we decide what is good gameplay" syndicate, removing adds and what not. All in the name of lining their pockets to make their archon tier VIPs happy 
abstract sphinx
gaze is good but not that good as arms
Is gaze not bis then?
Guys quick question, does sweeping strikes increase demolish dmg? Its aoe but it consumes sweeping strikes so im always wondering if I should prio having sweeping strikes before sending it or demolish before to save the stacks
flat willow
demolish is 3 strikes
flat willow
the first 2 are single targets
deft bluff
yep im an ape
flat willow
and you should demolish after colossus smash so sweeping strike should be up anyway
abstract sphinx
After the changes im sending it on cd
Specially on aoe
U can always get it back for cs
odd coyote
Anyone knows why I can only do 3 cleaves during opener instead of 4?
abstract sphinx
On ST its kinda tricky
flat willow
they nerfed the talent
odd coyote
so its only 3 now?
flat willow
yes
odd coyote
ah ok ty
flat willow
althought for some reason cs resets the cd of cleave
so you can cleave cs cleave cleave cleave
abstract sphinx
Wait what
👀
Lowkey we need to cry harder for the deep wounds bug like unholy dks
Otherwise its getting fixed next expansion boys
deft bluff
We’re too chill
indigo quail
I tried slayer build on HC thursday
Fight mechanics 100%, damage was very bad tho. Always trying to keep avatar beyblade and MS on CD
Ah well
neon shale
radiant moon
We’re too chill
used to being kicked while down 😄 we are not tantrum babies
mossy monolith
/
frail helm
How important is rend for col? Does it have any side effects that increases the dmg of your other stuff or is it more important for col than slayer just because it hits a bit higher?
flat willow
How important is rend for col? Does it have any side effects that increases the ...
Col has big rage problem and rend generates rage
If you talent it, which slayer does not
frail helm
ahhh ok, thanks
fair tinsel
Rend application is only above slam spam in st
in aoe it is used off rip before sending cds
@frail helm
frail helm
yeah thanks, was just wondering why it was more important for col than slayer
the rage makes sense
fair tinsel
nvm I'm thinking of slayer
this post brought to you by pipeline punch
colo= always keep rend up
fair tinsel
the rage makes sense
jovial hare
🔮
vast helm
we fixed?
pulsar hollow
How dependant are we on our positioning and positioning from tank? Im trying to switch to arms. Doing fine on dummies but somehow very close to tank in M+ 😂
indigo quail
pulsar hollow
Im doing something wrong but cant figure out what lmao
kind stag
How dependant are we on our positioning and positioning from tank? Im trying to ...
Play slayer first honestly
It can just play into whatever
Colo once you are more used to SS/cleave and such
velvet vessel
pulsar hollow
My AoE damage is same as the ST one then 🤣
pulsar hollow
I get it conceptually but cant figure out why tf it aint working in actual dungeons. Maybe I should go back to 10s instead of 16s until I get it right
Or try Slayer as you said
winged heath
is deep wound still bug ?
rancid robin
1st bonus roll fcked 😭
rancid robin
is deep wound still bug ?
Yes
indigo quail
Ret pally
rancid robin
collossus still
it's too strong
For my part even with the bug our AOE dmg are still really fine
and now we don't have tank dps on ST at least haha
vocal flicker
so what should we play?:D
ddh or udk
slow saddle
For my part even with the bug our AOE dmg are still really fine
The bug mainly ruins our focused // funnel
vast helm
blue post pls
fair tinsel
Still wild that they near insta fix unholy
but don't fix something as glaring as this
metaslop fixes too important
mild sierra
lock in the survival hunter
rancid robin
The bug mainly ruins our focused // funnel
even aoe we loose some deep wounds, if the slam target of sweepingstrike is RNG it's kidna a lot of DOT
well 2 roll 2 item i alrdy have in myth, how sad it is :/
inland drift
proly still bugged?
rancid robin
proly ? wdym
winged heath
blue post pls
blue post:
Arms warrior nerfed : Demolish dmg dec by 20%
rancid robin
Fr ?
winged heath
Fury warrior nerfed: rampage has been removed from talent and now u have to just melee dmg and sometimes Raginb or Bt
the only things blizzard can do
rancid robin
Oh i thought the demolish dmg dec was real xd
clever crag
jovial hare
Fury warrior nerfed: rampage has been removed from talent and now u have to just...
"rampage has been removed and given to prot warrior. please use start auto attack instead"
cold garnet
Hi guys, I am new to modern WoW and the crafting system has confused me a bit, I have 5 Sparks and am Ilvl 270, already have a 272 crafted weapon, should I just craft to replace Champion gear? can I upgrade my weapon further? Cheer's
jovial hare
do you have embellished stuff already?
cold garnet
I added them to my weapon, haven't crafted anything else I dont think
jovial hare
craft bracers w/ the threadlining wh recommends first, youll eventually want to move your other emb to the same as bracers on cloak
after that, yeah just replace stuff thats poorly itemized/you can't get if you want
mild sierra
Already has 276 wrists, rather craft cloak first
jovial hare
ye