its unironically soo annoying 😭
#arms
warped fable
arms doesnt have many flashy movements so sound effects are very important to that spec
neon shale
warped fable
are you having fun atleast?
raw sapphire
Wait we are suffering a 8% aoe loss due to the bug? Jesus
Doesnt sound right for some reason
ashen trout
still no bug fix smadge
nova marsh
well I mean
Gotta remeber
The slam loss softened the loss of cleave Wounds
Now we just don't do wounds in aoe at all, it's a dead talent
well
I mean we do
But it's a crapton less
espically as slayer cuz MS is lower prio
nova marsh
Holy ive found bladestorms favorite dungeon
key?
rose matrix
MT?
minor gust
yee MT
nova marsh
show overall
languid torrent
ashen trout
send tree twin
rose matrix
Providing the buff
minor gust
but woulda had the silly rogue beat with a clean run
rose matrix
Is Outlaw the strongest Rogue spec with the buffs?
nova marsh
Is Outlaw the strongest Rogue spec with the buffs?
even if it is
fuck outlaw
I say this as someone who likes outlaw
rose matrix
That cloud they leave right now is crazy lol
rose matrix
Dang they even fixed the Rogue audio issue before us
Warrior down bad fr
Who cares if all my abilities don't have impact
terse nimbus
hi friends
two questions
- do we still play slayer in raid or is slayer dead
- what is our best trinket from dungeons? im not using puzzle box very well and i think i might gain some dps even if it sims a little lower
my second trinket is heart
no more raid trinket this week
steep escarp
I had my first real run earlier where the tank was absolutely a colossus opp.
Thought y’all were exaggerating. I’ve had bad tanks before, this guy was diabolical.
wind hatch
1) do we still play slayer in raid or is slayer dead
slayer is still played on most fights
wind hatch
2) what is our best trinket from dungeons? im not using puzzle box very well and...
if you dont like puzzle box, guidon (for colossus) or plume is pretty good
frigid jewel
Fury still the preferred spec for raids in general?
wind hatch
gaze is good also especially on myth track
wind hatch
Fury still the preferred spec for raids in general?
arms is better most fights
only fights fury is better at is imperator, chimaerus, and saladbar
frigid jewel
so colossus still isn't preferred because of it's ST?
wind hatch
yes
frigid jewel
damn
wind hatch
you only play colossus on mythic dragons, paladins, and maybe imperator if you can pad
reef birch
I intended to jump on the arms boat after reset, but im reading alot of complaints regarding the changes they made to the spec
so what is the way to go for m+
nova marsh
alright more slayer keys
reef birch
only fights fury is better at is imperator, chimaerus, and saladbar
vaelgor?
reef birch
not according to the logs im looking at
nova marsh
show them, then
reef birch
show them, then
35/100 are arms
wind hatch
35/100 are arms
arms is just a less popular spec in general though
im talking about fights where fury is strictly better
nova marsh
arms is just a less popular spec in general though
AS it always is
balmy kindle
Imagine if arms had the player count of ret 💀
hexed parrot
Did Blizzard fix that the slam/HS from FoB applie deep wounds?
balmy kindle
Nope
nova marsh
question
is anyone else having problems with things suddenly becoming unbound on hidden action bars?
reef birch
how is arms compared to thane fury now that they removed deep wounds from cleave?
i also read numerous complaints about the st being terrible
rare kite
how is arms compared to thane fury now that they removed deep wounds from cleave...
far superior in m+
nova marsh
tbf the dominate M+ spec (colo) dosen't really care much
Well
it matters less then slayer I should say
reef birch
i hate the feel of anything that plays with ravager
nova marsh
then I'd say just stay with thane
rare kite
col st being buffed is a buff to arms m+ viability. it still does not have good st but it's not garbage anymore
fiery vine
When is Col ST buff?
rare kite
already live. went out this week
nova marsh
col st being buffed is a buff to arms m+ viability. it still does not have good ...
Also still feels pretty ass if you go in without full stacks
vapid spire
Still feels like shit
nova marsh
Just perma behind
fiery vine
Feels like dog shit if u ask me yeah
rare kite
idk i did 78k st first boss PoS earlier today. no funnel, that's aight numbers to me
fiery vine
I'm also wondering what is going on since the patch , i barely break the 300k on burst and i used to always break 500
rare kite
no aug or pi either
nova marsh
idk i did 78k st first boss PoS earlier today. no funnel, that's aight numbers t...
did you go in with full CM stacks?
rare kite
yes
nova marsh
yeah
that's the problem for me with colo rn
If you don't have a stacked demo ready for boss you just kinda eat shit
feral moat
Yo guys, is worth to use demolish only in CS window, or better use it when CS have long cd?
vast hinge
I'm also wondering what is going on since the patch , i barely break the 300k on...
same
i think its because cleave doesnt deep wounds anymre
and first pulls were massive amount of bleeds you could put out?
vast hinge
you also lost a cleave charge
nova marsh
you also lost a cleave charge
It's partly that
but also the FoB bug
very hard to actually evaculate how we're doing when we're loosing 8% from the constant DW uptime on 2t
fiery vine
wish they fixed classes before decor
safe dagger
what is the fob bug
frigid jewel
yeah but they sent out a message to the players doe
nova marsh
what is the fob bug
FoB slams do not trigger deepwounds
reef birch
dont they have to crit for it to trigger
frigid jewel
they remembered to remove spells from Destro from their cooldown manager but still haven't patched deep wounds lmfao
nova marsh
So effectively the only thing doing real DW in aoe atm is demo
vapid spire
Can't wait for another blue text post of no ST buffs
nova marsh
tbh at this point
vapid spire
And they're gonna give like 10% damage to devourer or something
nova marsh
I think arms's ST is at least actually acceptable
Good? Hell no
But at least....ya know, not a fucking tank
rare kite
I think arms's ST is at least actually acceptable
careful there, you'll upset everyone with your correct opinion
slow saddle
I think arms's ST is at least actually acceptable
Col could use 10k
slow saddle
And its a first
nova marsh
But I'll take this at the very least. I'd wait till season 2
vapid spire
They'll get the balancing right when nobody is playing anymore in 3 weeks
slow saddle
Nah not st
nova marsh
Oh I meant overall game balance
ST no
I can't recall many specs having st as bad as us
omfg
I got physical comp
nova marsh
best guild
rare kite
the talent i want baseline or more accessible atleast is battlelord. actual best talent for playstyle
nova marsh
the talent i want baseline or more accessible atleast is battlelord. actual best...
True
sage bison
Does anyone have access to an updated pi sims sheet? everyone ive found isnt updated for .5
ty ❤️
frigid jewel
Is Slarms normally behind Thane with pure single target? Cause I'm simming patchwerk and Thane's ahead by a few thousand even with 3 less ilvl
nova marsh
Is Slarms normally behind Thane with pure single target? Cause I'm simming patch...
link sim?
frigid jewel
can do as soon as I figure out how to share them
nova marsh
copy the link
frigid jewel
and resim because I accidentally closed the tabs
I'm still pretty fresh with the simming thing so I want to make sure I'm doing it right, too
dire hinge
How can i get higherr on AA first pull ?
it'll be easier to answer that question if you post logs (if you have them), so that we can see your cast breakdowns. Just sharing an overall doesn't give us much to go off of, unfortunately
nova marsh
🙁
I trolled my own key
Just completely braindead
also a druid who didn't brez the whole key despite having multiple oppertunities to do so
pastel moss
biz saying slayer is dead? o.o
slow saddle
Oh I meant overall game balance
I actually aoe is pretty ok tuned and m+
frigid jewel
Colossus is absolutely disgusting in M+
frigid jewel
Disgusting as in good
nova marsh
Colo is only good if your tank literally holds your hand
nova marsh
and even then it's just good
slow saddle
Yup
winged phoenix
Is our audio bug fixed yet
nova marsh
If this sims better then sapor paw
slow saddle
But fr st tuning seems the simplest
nova marsh
I'm gonna go jump
slow saddle
Like to do
nova marsh
But fr st tuning seems the simplest
Unironically like
M+ is the only place where you get pure ST for the most part rn
slow saddle
Unironically like
Buff ms
slow saddle
M+ is the only place where you get pure ST for the most part rn
I mean u feel it in rais
As well
slow saddle
Yup
slow saddle
I honestly hope we don't get another tier like this
Idm cleave as.much
vast helm
give cleave wounds back
slow saddle
But like every cleave is somethin that must die in seconds
slow saddle
Or boss kited away from
slow saddle
Yyp
vapid spire
it'll be easier to answer that question if you post logs (if you have them), so ...
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qtZf92bj1X3yThFD?fight=last Was still doing it 😂 there it is
slow saddle
Make it work
nova marsh
If they tune it right we could just have one less talent that's literally required to do meaningful aoes
slow saddle
With fob
slow saddle
If they tune it right we could just have one less talent that's literally requir...
Tbh buff op
To compensate aoe loss
nova marsh
Honestly at this point
slow saddle
For st
slow saddle
Accidental bufd
Would be so hot
Rav slappin
Still criminal we lost unhinged
Imho
Unhinged and battlelord is made for col
nova marsh
Yeah
hybrid needle
Next Blizzard lie. "We play it alongside you"
slow saddle
No1 plays warrior in raid
vapid spire
I do
vapid spire
Fuck it buff ravager
You dont want a spinning pool noodle around you ?
nova marsh
remove it like we've been begging for since like ALPHA
stoic oriole
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qtZf92bj1X3yThFD?fight=last Was still doing...
watch the critcake 18 aa
i was doing tank damage too
after some practice i got some good damage on that first pull
dont forget to execute when sudden death is up , that cdr is crazy good
lime ruin
anyone got a colossus build for mythic cosmos
hybrid needle
Just copy paste from the first on wcl
vapid spire
watch the critcake 18 aa
Are the trinket making a lot of difference ? I have those 2 rn since i can't drop shit
stoic oriole
heart is bis, but you could try puggin a hero and get lucky or maybe do a roll first boss drops a decent trink and second one is heart
vapid spire
Doing it every week but it either doesnt drop or i roll 3
stoic oriole
dang
safe dagger
am i doing somthing wrong this was overall in a 13 as slayer
keen parcel
I just got gaze of the alseer Heroic version and it isnt even BIS for me 😭 per my sim, CoEE is too stronk
gentle gyro
How can i get higherr on AA first pull ?
Pray to Jesus
lime ruin
Just copy paste from the first on wcl
theyre all slayer
lime ruin
all the clears are pre patch and I want to play colossus
nova marsh
am i doing somthing wrong this was overall in a 13 as slayer
This is not helpful
please get us logs
You also didn't show us how much you actually did overall
keen parcel
I just got gaze of the alseer Heroic version and it isnt even BIS for me 😭 per...
Maybe its bad for me because currently im only at 20% crit and its screaming at me to get more rather than mastery
dire hinge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qtZf92bj1X3yThFD?fight=last Was still doing...
Disclaimer: i dont really play Slayer M+ much, but a few minor adjustments:
- Rend after your Charge (not in the middle of your CS window).
- That's a great time to pop a cheap Strength Potion if you have one.
- You should cast your
Avatar -> CS -> Bladestorm -> Cleave x3, then drop into your normal Multitarget rotation afterwards- On your opener you did this instead
Charge -> Avatar -> CS -> Cleave -> Rend -> [Dead GCD] -> Bladestorm. This takes a lot of power out of your initial burst since the Rend should have been earlier, then a dead GCD inside of your CS window
- On your opener you did this instead
hybrid needle
is that just slayer ST but with battlelord?
primal pumice
Man i ve not read anything other than colos arms nerfed ~2% in aoe. Did my first m+ after patch, +14npx, holy f i was horrible, doing the exact things as before. Atleast 100k less dps in highest dps peaks in big pulls / a lot smaller dps overall. (Also slayer fury is somehow even worse) am i doing something wrong or was this a big nerf or is colosus not best anymore for m+ or
weak wave
Disclaimer: i dont really play Slayer M+ much, but a few minor adjustments:
- Re...
You should cast your Avatar -> CS -> Bladestorm -> Cleave x3
I heard CS -> 3x Cleave so we could get more Cleaves into CS to extend the duration lobger
safe dagger
This is not helpful
lime ruin
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms
this is empty
hybrid needle
Eh?
nova marsh
also what dungeon
hybrid needle
dire hinge
*You should cast your Avatar -> CS -> Bladestorm -> Cleave x3*
I heard CS -> 3x...
current APL has Bladestorm above Cleave (unless you have Collat @ 3), but im sure the 3x Cleave helps while the tank is gathering things
hybrid needle
This works? @lime ruin
lime ruin
yeah it does ty
balmy kindle
Biz has a new build vid for Colo that seems cooking
slow saddle
Keep in mind he was testin a new build
vapid spire
Disclaimer: i dont really play Slayer M+ much, but a few minor adjustments:
- Re...
Ok so rend first got it
slow saddle
I did notice him using plume as.well
I mean he just took a bit more st, its still sheit. But 100% prob worth it for avg pug keys
Exept seat + caverns
balmy kindle
I mean with Colo you take whatever increase you can get 
nova marsh
did he show the build?
nova marsh
Got a tree?
lime ruin
Yo thats the exact build I made earlier today
nova marsh
Smth like this?
dire hinge
Ok so rend first got it
yeah Rend before your major GCDs. Think of it this way:
Colossus Smash and Avatar make you deal significantly more damage for the next ~20 seconds. Rend's bleeds deal a lot of damage in AoE, but the actually button press itself for Rend doesn't matter much. Moving Bladestorm sooner means higher burst, then you can reapply Rend later when it falls off
and your bleeds are dynamic, meaning if you apply the bleed early -> then cast Avatar -> the bleed will do more damage while Avatar is active
balmy kindle
Smth like this?
Yes
dire hinge
🫗 RIP Snapshotting Bleeds, may we never worry about you again
nova marsh
gonna try it in a nexus
slow saddle
Smth like this?
Yes
balmy kindle
Probably worth in AA., not sure about Nexus though, thrash seems pretty rough there, albeit low T
slow saddle
Probably worth in AA., not sure about Nexus though, thrash seems pretty rough th...
Esp in lower keys
nova marsh
now if only tanks existed
slow saddle
When u start seeing 2 full cds in trasg
balmy kindle
Low keys as in 14+
nova marsh
yeah
slow saddle
If u have competent dps
nova marsh
I've felt like mass is kind of bait since it was first revealed
balmy kindle
Usually on the really low keys thrash dies very fast
slow saddle
I've felt like mass is kind of bait since it was first revealed
I think in like 19-20s its strong
But half the shit is dead
Ehen i hit 2nd cs
Esp now that we bssicly demo inside 1st twice
pulsar frost
If u have competent dps
whats that
nova marsh
Like
slow saddle
whats that
Well sorry
balmy kindle
True that though , double demo is nice
slow saddle
Meta dps
nova marsh
in theroy mass is good with a second CS + demo, hell maybe rava
slow saddle
Like dks + demo lock or rets
silver sapphire
Im new to warrior and kind of "new" to wow in general but im kind of lost on arms 90% of the time
slow saddle
Every single shitter mob long gone in a 17
silver sapphire
but im also just leveling
silver sapphire
i usually play for like 2 months per expansion
slow saddle
Has a great rotation guide
silver sapphire
if i wanted to juse just wowhead i dont think i would've came here
just wanted some input from ppl that actually play it
slow saddle
Now go find it, print it, hang it on the toilet door
The input is wowhead
Made by one of our biggest theory crafters
Who plays warrior a lot
slow saddle
Ofc but so rare
lime ruin
but yeah low keys it doesnt rly happen
balmy kindle
Yeah if thrash lives that long you have other problems
slow saddle
All i c is like 2-3 mobs alive
lime ruin
It helps save a lot of time when you're killing the adds right before a boss and everyone refuses to use CDs
even on low keys it comes into play a decent amount I think
lime ruin
dk cds I can lowkey understand lol
hybrid needle
Have u played with rets
Can you like.... not make my Depression worse
nova marsh
...guys
lime ruin
Bro the 2 adds before the third boss on magisters
they last the heat death of the universe in pugs
balmy kindle
I mean m+ is 90% of the game 
slow saddle
Bro the 2 adds before the third boss on magisters
What 2 adds
hybrid needle
U know how Depressing it is hitting 600k in aoe just to see a ret double up on you. Then you think "fine ill be better on bosses... mayhaps lul" just to see him double dmg there too
lime ruin
the blood elves with the one healer right before the funny elf boss who silences you
with the shields
slow saddle
I mean those have insane health
U deffo send cds into those
In a bit higher keys
If u have em. They annilate healer
balmy kindle
Runic glaive 
hybrid needle
Runic glaives is super fun if you play the healer.
Especially if noone sends defs
nova marsh
Fuck glaives
balmy kindle
It's not so bad as warrior
balmy kindle
But other squishy classses
nova marsh
warr is just go dstance + SR, maybe pop die
hybrid needle
But.. but... defstance has 3s cooldown. I aint Pressing that
nova marsh
Chill
nova marsh
But.. but... defstance has 3s cooldown. I aint Pressing that
then die
slow saddle
But.. but... defstance has 3s cooldown. I aint Pressing that
Loosing dmg. Y id rather loose my life
Agreed
lime ruin
discordians try to understand satire challenge
nova marsh
+Na guys
bribe your healers with gold to send externals on you at all times during the hallway of doom
Best method works for all dps
dumb question
hybrid needle
I need gold. Does that work on EU?
nova marsh
MP procs off of FoB ye?
balmy kindle
It should but hmm
balmy kindle
Blizz intern coding
clever crag
If I cant live it with DBTS,healthpot or IV I die
Im only pressing D stance while not being able to do dmg lol
mystic summit
Have you seen what else fob is suppose to do <:keks:936231610850897992>
is fob not slamming at all or just the animation
nova marsh
is fob not slamming at all or just the animation
No it is it's just the animation
But it's not applying DW
nova marsh
they didnt change anything involving slam
Yes they did
misty scarab
Hey guys at what key level do we think its worth to go colossus?
stable fiber
bvn
nova marsh
Slam applies DW
nova marsh
LOL
stable fiber
yeah i was like wait what am i saying
storm canopy
Can anyone help me review a log.. i need help
balmy kindle
Hey guys at what key level do we think its worth to go colossus?
All keys
dire hinge
Can anyone help me review a log.. i need help
sure thing, just post your logs in #1347646810457636974
robust ridge
Damn so slayer just out then
Slayer is still strong, just not as strong in AoE (assuming equal skill level in both specs). Plenty of people are still running it though
misty scarab
Slayer is still strong, just not as strong in AoE (assuming equal skill level in...
I just prefer playing slayer. Too much can go wrong with demolish
slow saddle
Considering they also forgot to make ar not cost energy
I think spagetthi code does not like fob
As in beta it wouldnt send hs
But slam, but give us stacks
robust ridge
I just prefer playing slayer. Too much can go wrong with demolish
Honestly if you prefer it, and you’re better at it, you should stick with it
robust ridge
Nah
slow saddle
The difference is big now
cedar cairn
So slayer is out for keys?
slow saddle
Yes
cedar cairn
F
nova marsh
As in beta it wouldnt send hs
Yerah I remeber that
also on the cook
it feels good
Trying it in a 12 pit
I was absoutlely right, you have MORE then enough aoe
slow saddle
Im kindda scared that blizzard, havent even talked about our bug
Its a huge prio dmg loss
misty scarab
Im kindda scared that blizzard, havent even talked about our bug
Oh shit whats the bug
dire hinge
also Cleave gets reset when you cast CS
minor gust
dire hinge
it does 
and yes it's beneficial, but seemingly unintended
dire hinge
yeah, wild patch bugs
slow saddle
as i said patch isnt hurried
coz everything worked on beta
i have no idea what happened ngl
minor gust
Wtb some slayer aoe compensation buffs. Seeing BS top dmg in my overall is hype
dire hinge
offiial ukulele apology bluepost'd a few hours ago
minor gust
slow saddle
i mean frozen
buff OP
in general
both specs could use a bit more st and for slayer it would mean more aoe
and colos prio wouldnt change
dire hinge
maybe they're scared of Dragonflight OP coming back where it was technically our highest damage overall
slow saddle
op and dreadnaught tbh
reef birch
is the nexus point ring set at mythic better than having 2 other rings with priority stats? The rings always amount for 0,4-0,9% overall
slow saddle
maybe they're scared of Dragonflight OP coming back where it was technically our...
but thats co u press it more often
i dont c an issue with the button i press the most being my top overall
as long as i feel my MS hits in ST
and cleave when i pres it
thick kelp
maybe they're scared of Dragonflight OP coming back where it was technically our...
whats with the surge of arms players suddenly
misty scarab
Fury sucks
reef birch
is it worth blowing bonus rolls for voidclaw gauntlets if i dont need trinkets or weapon?
mystic summit
typical pug ele shaman
rapid abyss
i feel like my overalls have gone done since the patch. Even as colossus
i thought the cdr on demolish would be fun but its kinda messing up my cadence on the pulls
nova marsh
i feel like my overalls have gone done since the patch. Even as colossus
It probally has
because AoE DW uptime is a lot less
due to no cleave and the fob bug
sand totem
But wouldn't demo DW almost cover lack of cleave DW since we cast it so much?
nova marsh
Not really
sand totem
Actually nvm. I thought for like 5 seconds and realized that was a stupid thing to say
nova marsh
No ur okay
we thought the same orginally
but now that we have practice....na
Question actually
Would Overpowering finish be better then mass exe for slayer?
hybrid needle
Das a question for bozo, savior of slayer
nova marsh
He said he was experimenting
minor gust
Hell nah look at this breakdown OP dmg ain't shit compared to cleave
slow saddle
warlock needs nerf
minor gust
There's one other slayer cook you can go for .5% ST loss and a 2.5% aoe gain. Only thing it requires a shaman in the grp
nova marsh
There's one other slayer cook you can go for .5% ST loss and a 2.5% aoe gain. On...
and what's dat
minor gust
minor gust
I like it in a few dungeons ones with multitarget bosses
nova marsh
Like caverns seat and mayyybeee pit?
minor gust
Mc seat WS pit MT
buoyant barn
Has anyone tried the slayer vs colossus comparaison? Like when to play which
nova marsh
Ya know I keep forgetting about Mt having that weird jelly fish boss
storm canopy
sure thing, just post your logs in <#1347646810457636974>
Ty i tagged u in it
minor gust
hesitant to try without a shaman
It's gonna be a much bigger ST loss like 2.5% if you run that build without a shaman. Not worth. missing BLord rage sucks need shaman to counter that
rose ibex
I think next season im gonna play enh
So I can spread the love of skyfury
Not enough shammies
safe island
BUG NOT FIXED YET?
storm canopy
BUG NOT FIXED YET?
Not enough ppl to report it lol
stable fiber
BUG NOT FIXED YET?
noppa
stable fiber
It's gonna be a much bigger ST loss like 2.5% if you run that build without a sh...
boss to 25%
i got a sneak peak of the execute phase
fucked my cds up and was still 6th boss damage
its time
deft bluff
yo gang, i heard someone cookking up an arms colo build that doesnt comletely bottom on ou st, who was it
sand totem
Doing the lord's work khaz
stable fiber
i went back to the pure st build
think if fob was working right the cleave build on l'ura could work
nova marsh
yo gang, i heard someone cookking up an arms colo build that doesnt comletely bo...
Drop momentum and mass exe for overpowering finish and martial prowess
This is what I was told it was. It feels p good ngl
fresh spire
Think you play full St on lura
umbral gyro
arms sounds bugged? Feels like I only hear that I swing my sword but no impact.
stable fiber
Think you play full St on lura
so the cleave funnel build was worse for crystal damage but better for boss damage in p1 by a decent margin
it does fall off later in the fight though
deft bluff
Drop momentum and mass exe for overpowering finish and martial prowess
ill try ti
vast helm
Arms dead.
stable fiber
it would be even more funnel if fob deep wounds interaction was working
prob ~25k better boss dps in p1?
if fob worked
you do less crystal damage though because bladestorm is much better at doing crystal damage then cleave and you want to push cleave for the funnel damage
possible benefits to both but its probably just ST build for crystal slamming as thats more important for prog now instead of st boss damage
raw sapphire
if i want to recraft a weapon do i need to add emblish stats and such?
sharp goblet
it would be even more funnel if fob deep wounds interaction was working
does fob not apply deep wounds on primary target? huh never paid much attention to that
stable fiber
does fob not apply deep wounds on primary target? huh never paid much attention ...
it doesnt right now
but it almost certainly should im sure
buoyant barn
Which one if better for M+ col or slayer?
slow saddle
Can we all agree that Dungeon trinkets desperately needs a buff
the gap is just insane
buoyant barn
Is better*
slow saddle
COl by a MILE
buoyant barn
Is the AOE that much better ?
slow saddle
yup
buoyant barn
I dont want to do pisslow ST tho 🙁
slow saddle
it isnt anymore
buoyant barn
I mean, even with skewed stats for fury? Like i've got 350 mast
pulsar hollow
How much crit do we need in order to reliably drop high damage in M+? Im juggling between fury and arms and I do so much lower damage with arms. Im defo doing something wrong 😂
slow saddle
I mean, even with skewed stats for fury? Like i've got 350 mast
just get some fury gear
like if u are playing in a group
u have time to get there gear
slow saddle
How much crit do we need in order to reliably drop high damage in M+? Im jugglin...
i mean arms is way harder to play
so its no wonder
and requries more from tanks
the range of cleave is criminal 😄
grave sphinx
Arms just feels clunky to play compared to fury, I miss the flow of fury 🙁
slow saddle
just play thane
u loose very little in keys tbh if u arent doing a stacked group
arms kindda rely on that for its true power to show anyways
grave sphinx
Probably will stay fury tbh
dire hinge
that's valid honestly, fury is so smooth
but hey, we're here to help with questions if you have any!
pulsar hollow
i mean arms is way harder to play
I watched this guy Bizs rotation and looks pretty simple. Im starting to think my positioning is wrong and Im not hitting
dire hinge
biz is great
dire hinge
yeah, a huge part of pushing big keys / getting big numbers is the tank pulling big and not drip feeding mobs into the packs every 10 seconds
big burst + the other DPS deleting the pack rapidly snapshots your burst peaks and causes larger overalls
pulsar hollow
Where is aoe arms supposed to be tier wise? Does it catch up to top dps? I know ST is doomed 😂
buoyant barn
Already used my voidcore for arms stuff tho
slow saddle
yeah, a huge part of pushing big keys / getting big numbers is the tank pulling ...
1 under estimated thing
i noticed his grp does
is run with mobs
he rarely looses any cm stacks while moving between packs
as he can keep up his swings into next pack
deft bluff
Drop momentum and mass exe for overpowering finish and martial prowess
this slaps
just dropped a 166k avg
NPX 14
slow saddle
i mean it deffo does less overall
nova marsh
this slaps
DAMN
slow saddle
but prob good in low kes ye
slow saddle
did like 168 in a pit with it
no aug
its deffo strong
at a 15
but i always wonder what could we have done 😄
if Fob worked
tawny thorn
Oy warrior frends, is FoB still bugged ?
deft bluff
that is with a full wipe on the boss with the light buff
pulsar pivot
Should we be scared that the warrior bugs aren't mentioned in the hotfix blueposts?
potent reef
Nah, if you get scared just berserker rage homie
tawny thorn
HAHAHA
pulsar pivot
true true
tawny thorn
I mean, using the 2d SD charge make WB cd goes UP since TWW at leaaaast
Soooo
FoB bug could go on until next expac
storm canopy
FoB bug could go on until next expac
Shame
candid garden
Did EU get bonus roll refund?
sand totem
I wish we could fit battlelord in our ST build
For what its worth, I swapped battlelord and fatal mark. I think it simmed a 100dps decrease, but I prefer the playstyle.
slow saddle
hmm
near ice
irs like 2500 dps for me
slow saddle
i still think
near ice
too much
slow saddle
Fatal mark should be baked into battlelord
uncut wing
oh boy, got 2h from 1st coin in pit of saron
slow saddle
oh boy, got 2h from 1st coin in pit of saron
Fucking gz
full obsidian
gz brudda
sand totem
irs like 2500 dps for me
Fucking hell. Maybe I need to redo my sims lmao. Definitely didnt show that for me hahaha
tawny thorn
Did you guys tried new Bizentein build ?
balmy kindle
Fatality feels uselsss
tawny thorn
For AA and Skyreach ?
candid garden
Eu bonus rolls refunded?
deft bluff
For AA and Skyreach ?
whats new about it
near ice
Fucking hell. Maybe I need to redo my sims lmao. Definitely didnt show that for ...
well i guess its 1500~
tawny thorn
+3-4% ST / -1% AOE
CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgZmxsMzMzYGAAAghphZGmZbZmZmZYGzMAAAAAGbmBkZAbmxwCMwMajGDWAzM2GGjZzsNYmBAghB
It's just your regular build, but you take out Powerfull Momentum and Mass Execution for Overpowering Finish and Martial Prowess
He did a video with it on 20 AA
deft bluff
ah yes im runing it atm
tawny thorn
100k ST on bird boss
sand totem
well i guess its 1500~
Wonder what the fuck mine was doing. Iirc it was 86,300 vs like 86,170. But ill recheck when I get home
balmy kindle
+3-4% ST / -1% AOE
Big worth if your figures are anywhere close
Colo alr has big aoe losing 1% is peanuts
tawny thorn
Yea
But it was his sim
So I guess it depend on gear and stats
For me it's more like 2.5/3% ST / -1.2/1.5% AOE
And it's sim only, live, with FoB bugged, those numbers can slightly change
pulsar hollow
Feels like Im constantly without enough rage. Biz does Rend + Ravager into Avatar + Colossus Smash and 4 x Cleave + 1 MS before Demolish yet when I try it on a pack I can pull 3 x Cleave before it goes on cd and sometimes dont have the rage for MS 🥲
vapid pine
It's just your regular build, but you take out Powerfull Momentum and Mass Execu...
Is there any changes in rotation?
thorn stream
well i guess its 1500~
1500 is also not much
so you can just take blord as a flavor thing
near ice
Got good loot ig idk lol
tawny thorn
Is there any changes in rotation?
Not to my knowledge
near ice
289 trinkets
slow saddle
Colo alr has big aoe losing 1% is peanuts
its prob more
like depends if u in grp get loads of mass execution full packs off
u are loosing more aoe most liekly
but then again our power IS NOT our aoe
but our funnel // prio dmg in every pack killing the big mob
clever crag
289 trinkets
Same but mine are ass
slow saddle
overall looks very good on paper but
clever crag
No myth gaze
tawny thorn
Feels like Im constantly without enough rage. Biz does Rend + Ravager into Avata...
Yea, I mean he's top 3 warrior world so, there is that
slow saddle
also he cant do 3 cleave
anymore
thats 12.0
12.5
u cleave before CS as well
coz it auto resets atm
pulsar hollow
This ^ I was wondering how when CS says next 2 are no cd
pulsar hollow
So rota is different
slow saddle
demo
slow saddle
well
i think its a bug that cleave resets on CS
but it does for now
u can also just charge - cs -cleave-cleave-cleave-ms - demolish
i mean rend first of all ofc
also lets talk blizzard wants to make things right
start by giving us 5k more ST outright
5k is not enough but its a start
i dont even care how they do it
MS // Execute // slam // OP
ideally OP probably coz it helps both specs
and rly helps slayers aoe a bit
upper sparrow
well i guess its 1500~
How tf you simming for 94k single target. My sims are sitting at 56k on a good day.
deft kraken
Why is Heroic Strike above Mortal Strike in Colossus but not for Slayer?
robust idol
When simming, should i be doing it on a Patchwerk fight at all times or should i use something else for when i want to sim for M+ for example?
vapid pine
When simming, should i be doing it on a Patchwerk fight at all times or should i...
Generally patchwerk and vary the targetcount and sim-length, then choose whatever combination is balanced for both AOE and ST
slow saddle
Why is Heroic Strike above Mortal Strike in Colossus but not for Slayer?
my guess would be
coz we play battlelord as col
also in execute its always hs first aint it
leaden garnet
deft tiger
How tf you simming for 94k single target. My sims are sitting at 56k on a good d...
Are you as well arms am struggling
light reef
Du we use slam on single target as Col arms ?
full obsidian
ye
cedar cairn
Currently got 1300 crit and 920 haste, should I aim for more haste on future rerolls or is that ratio alright?
tawny thorn
Du we use slam on single target as Col arms ?
yea even more than before prio is HS > MS > OP > SLAM
slow saddle
slams decent now
light reef
cool thanks 🙂
clever crag
Are the guides on wowhead up to date ?
slow saddle
nothing has rly changed
gentle gyro
3% crit modifier is actually big idk
dusky scarab
is it true that in m+ i don't spec into thunderclap? i thought i wanted to put rend on everything?
dense sphinx
barb training is just slam dmg right
tawny thorn
is it true that in m+ i don't spec into thunderclap? i thought i wanted to put r...
Nooo ew
Rend already apply on every target
And isn't soft capped like Clap
dusky scarab
how does it apply?
clever crag
3% crit modifier is actually big idk
Over 10% slam and HS damage ?
vapid pine
The st build there has stance mastery over barbaring training
Isn't it usually instead of Crushing Force? Which tends to be neutral-ish
clever crag
- other
dusky scarab
rend was changed, read tooltip
oooh ok ty
dense sphinx
clap is strictly for thane
tawny thorn
The st build there has stance mastery over barbaring training
I mean it's for 20 and 21
So you're unkillable in D stance
clever crag
Yeah for m+ sure
tawny thorn
Prolly can take Btraining if doing lower keys
clever crag
But this is a st raid build
tawny thorn
The one I linked ?
dense sphinx
someone go sim the diff
tawny thorn
From Bizentein
dense sphinx
no morth was asking about wowhead
dense sphinx
thats interesting, let me go sim myself too 😄
clever crag
All top arms in raid run the slam talent
slow saddle
All top arms in raid run the slam talent
what slam talent?
jaunty tinsel
Is dungeon slice useable on Raidbots?
I know some classes it doesn't work really (DK).
slow saddle
no
also just sim ST
and just consider trinkets as per knowledge
plume / heart // gaze
are so far ahead anyways
vapid pine
Probably worth simming AOE if you're gonna be simming anyway, to make sure you're not missing something important
slow saddle
imho only worth if u are chcking builds
vapid pine
Most people who ask will just equip some random pure ST trinket and wonder why they're not doing damage
slow saddle
i mean as i said trinkets are always feelycraft
take plume
in sims it starts on max stacks
so always good on first pull in a dungeon
but later it can be more random
deft tiger
Is gaze worth it I have it as veteran and running it do we need mastery or just use another stat trinket
clever crag
what slam talent?
Barbaric training
vapid pine
but later it can be more random
Easily accounted for by running a longer AoE sim right? 1 min won't always line up with CDs with our kit
slow saddle
i mean mayhaps
but a longer aoe sim also is kindda wonky imho
just due to cds and such
i feeel trinkets are just something u need to know
vapid pine
Trinkets fuck with stat balance in other gear too though
So it's not like you can ignore them
Like going from crucible to guidon this week meant my sims wanted noticably more crit elsewhere
deft tiger
Like going from crucible to guidon this week meant my sims wanted noticably more...
What stats % u aiming for
vapid pine
What stats % u aiming for
Whatever my sims tell me
deft tiger
Is it true it's pointless having 20% of haste
vapid pine
Haste is good, why would it be pointless lol
vapid pine
Maybe he's an outlaw player or something, think they have some weird thing with AR and haste, but that's not relevant for warriors
deft tiger
He is sub rogue
vapid pine
Sub also has weird caps due to globals in shadow dance window
Either way not relevant for us
We just blast
deft tiger
Question does haste effect our bleeds rend and the other one I forgot the name
vapid pine
Yep
uncut wing
Sub also has weird caps due to globals in shadow dance window
I am sub main, arms alt 😂 you want to stay between 684-700 haste usually, 650 with perfect ping and reaction(for sub)
deft tiger
So I should get more haste than crit now so I get benefits from the weapon embellishments
thorn stream
I am sub main, arms alt 😂 you want to stay between 684-700 haste usually, 650 w...
depends on guidon or not, right ?
vapid pine
So I should get more haste than crit now so I get benefits from the weapon embel...
Shouldn't really be thinking about stats like that, just send a sim and see what items to equip
uncut wing
depends on guidon or not, right ?
yep, without you want to float around 800
thorn stream
ye
vapid pine
I am sub main, arms alt 😂 you want to stay between 684-700 haste usually, 650 w...
Yeah this kinda shit without reforging is so ass, thank fuck we just don't care
thorn stream
hope for you cloud cover bug is fixed soon @uncut wing
uncut wing
hope for you cloud cover bug is fixed soon <@231108404297334794>
I've already used to it, and it is still better with this bug then pre 0.5 patch
thorn stream
yea, was a big gain
clever crag
well did u test
The wowhead build doesnt use it
slow saddle
i mean in raid it makes sense no +
clever crag
Was like 2k dps loss or something to use the build
clever crag
Can sim it when I get home
slow saddle
Dstance is kindda giga in prog
y my old raid spec does not have dstance
but y i would presume u would remove
Chrusing force
but nah
barbaric training deffo u slam less in pure st
jaunty tinsel
I'm finding that crucible sims exceptionally well, only falling 1% behind HC Plume and other comparable raid trinkets.
Sim over-egging it or is upgraded crucible just that good?
slow saddle
havae u got it fully opened ?
jaunty tinsel
Yeah
slow saddle
well it is that good apparantly
slow saddle
The wowhead build doesnt use it
apparantly
it is better without
barbaric training
clever crag
Maybe it changes with gear, im only 279
slow saddle
nah
in raid no way
its 3% crit dmg for everything vs a low part of ya actual dmg in slam
clever crag
Its HS too
slow saddle
keep in mind slams biggest power now is the deep wounds anyways
clever crag
Atleast it says so in the tooltip
slow saddle
fuck if i know then
pale imp
I'm finding that crucible sims exceptionally well, only falling 1% behind HC Plu...
Get out of this server Kenny
slow saddle
but it sims higher
pale imp
I'm finding that crucible sims exceptionally well, only falling 1% behind HC Plu...
Imagine using 1 sword when every race has 2 hands
balmy kindle
Why hit many times when 1 hit do trick
clever crag
but it sims higher
For you yeah, I found it on nr1 log for some boss otherwise I wouldn’t bother simming it
clever crag
Ofc stance mastery had def value ofc
slow saddle
also which boss
clever crag
Had to be ST one, Vorasius maybe but not sure
slow saddle
yeah but he is running powerfull swings to pad into boss as well
so i dont rly know if there is a true ST fight exept sim fight
and also most logs made early, and if this has changed since 12.05
stone marsh
How far behind is slayer compared to Colossu in keys?
sand totem
7
loud fjord
6
slow saddle
How far behind is slayer compared to Colossu in keys?
a lot tbh
lyric flame
its so demoralizing having tanks who dont understand blame depletes on me for st boss dps
slow saddle
i mean cnannerz theres a build with slightly more st sacraficing little aoe
and tbh at this point im pretty much on par with other not great ST builds
ofc we are never gonne be warlock // dk good in a burst st fight
lyric flame
is it still colossus?
slow saddle
but most dungeons u compensate on other bosses
yes
u cant play slayer anymore realisticly
lyric flame
oh sick ty for the tip
dense sphinx
slow saddle
its just a minor thing tbh but every % helps
dense sphinx
negligible for me
lyric flame
heres where im running rn
slow saddle
im not running stance mastery
i put it in chrusing force as well
but i prob should, but havent struggeled living in 16-17s yet
lyric flame
yeah im 2 keys from resil 17 but yeah getting blamed for every run where the timer's close is fatiguing
slow saddle
i mean are u top overall ?
lyric flame
i mean i could just be bad as as well
lyric flame
not often but im mainly getting into phys comp
slow saddle
u can be near equal in dmg on most phys comp teams tbh
ofc atm our prio deep wounds thing not working
hurts us a lot for both time and overall dmg
i think rule is simple as Arms Target biggest mob, funnel into it as much as possible let others do other shit
if u do that well in general u are doing ya job
if they are to dumb to c u did that well, b
b
lyric flame
so last key i timed was a 17 nxp is it cool to post the log?
paper dove
Warrior DD in general is just not a very socially acceptable class. And with Phys combs always being at least slightly worse than mage comb, the buff doesn't really make you get invited that much more often.
And this patch, Devourer gets comfortability changes, gets buff, and gets more self heal, even tho it is top 2 dps for weeks. Blizzards balancing is just a very big question mark
lyric flame
heres my last timed key, i died a couple times but feel free to nitpick it i want to improve
not going to be offended or throw excuses
clever crag
Think when youre running phys comp all bosses where funnel is possible should be that way
Otherwise your tank ints you lol
lyric flame
ive had exactly one key where the tank has done that for me
this one
i mean based on key % in these keys im getting carried so i must be doing something wrong
velvet vessel
guys, trying to figure out where I messed up
this thing is wrong right?
we are supossed to HS on CD in execute phase
oak flame
Do we send a second demolish outside CS on big pull ?
halcyon valve
absolutely
you got so much demolish cooldown reduction now
its a waste not to send it
dense sphinx
i think on aoe you pretty much will always get a demolish in colsmash regardless of how recently your last demolish was
velvet vessel
I noticed it on paladins last night
send on pull then I could send another with the first CS 2sec remaining
neon flicker
Hello guys, hope i can find answer there !
here's a key i did last night https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fwg6AvQq1X7Wa2Rz?fight=4&type=damage-done
I find my damage giga low and i don't really know why, when i look for over people parse and damage profil i noticed that Deep Wounds was way more present in the damage ~10% damage overall and mine is ~5%, i dont know what i do bad and i'm searching for help, if someone know hit me up
Thanks in advance
maiden notch
To what are commodities comparing? Before the patch. Because deep wounds isn’t applied with cleave anymore
neon flicker
Yeah i was comparing data before patch i think, but tbh i feel like colossus isn't as enjoyable to play as slayer
feels like it miss something
vapid goblet
stone flax
you can have 3 with vault