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hasty pumice
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nah then gameplay is being doomed

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"omg arms gameplay sucks!"

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I've seen it before keks

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once there are no complaints, the gameplay is being doomed

vagrant hull
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I see it every expansion lol

nova marsh
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Tbh

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After playing trickster outlaw

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Arms is fine

vagrant hull
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I like how Arms plays. Which is why I don't touch fury, and haven't for years

nova marsh
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A bit hank and outdated but I like it

hasty pumice
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I like both specs, idk why others hate Arms so much. I feel like it's a very nuanced spec and has so many cool optimisation steps

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in M+ at least

hasty pumice
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in raid its okay, I dig it

fervent cedar
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Really enjoy arms in keys, not a fan in raid, idk the rotation just feels weird in raid for some reason

nova marsh
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Tbh I dont like being so reliant on funnel for colo

hasty pumice
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in raid it feels like

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if you get giga procs

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you feel like the king and everything is beautiful

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if you press MS - 3x slam - MS - 2x Slam 1x OP

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that feels like

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ass

fervent cedar
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Yeah for sure

nova marsh
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Like legit if your tank dosent bring mobs in evrey time or you cant colo is dead

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And thats so ass

hasty pumice
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  • no windfury procs on top
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that is torture

nova marsh
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At this point im shocked wf isnt decoupled from our resources

hasty pumice
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in some pulls I have bladestorm ready again for the 2nd CS

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in some pulls I run out of rage on 2nd CS

minor gust
hasty pumice
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the variance is crazy

nova marsh
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You have to to play with law now lmao

hasty pumice
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smokebomb is bugged

nova marsh
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That too

fervent cedar
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Some variance is ok but it definitely feels like arms can be pretty aggregious on slayer in particular for sure

hasty pumice
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the visual is way too obnoxious rn

nova marsh
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The energy is fucking annoying

minor gust
hasty pumice
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but we dont sadly

fervent cedar
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True

nova marsh
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But I had to when I started law that shit is an atrocious visual

slow saddle
vapid spire
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Is the bleed still bugued ?

slow saddle
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I had ms-slam-slam-slam-slam-ms

nova marsh
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"Oh we're gonna work on visual clarity" makes a smoke bomb visual so damn bad you cant even see the floor

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I kinda wish

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Tacti hadn't been massacred

cyan skiff
hasty pumice
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sir gokke

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i mean you can go 6x slam too if you want

hasty pumice
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talking about raid

cyan skiff
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Was confused if there is some tech I was missing

hasty pumice
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I swap between fury thane and arms slayer depending on raid encounter

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cause fury is a fucking padding machine for logs

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and not always actually better

slow saddle
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Like tactician is broken

hasty pumice
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my guy just magically adding another slam haha

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tactician feels super weird in raid

slow saddle
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Bl

hasty pumice
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not proccing a 30% so often is weird

nova marsh
hasty pumice
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in M+ it procs all the time

slow saddle
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Yup

hasty pumice
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but in raid its so rare

nova marsh
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Even compared to tww it feels so rare

minor gust
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Guys if you want more tac procs just take master tactician

slow saddle
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Like my raid uptime since 12.05 on shit

minor gust
fervent cedar
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3 slams, no sd proc, I explode

slow saddle
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😁

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Idm pressin op

nova marsh
slow saddle
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Byt i guess its the price of not takim battlelord

fervent cedar
slow saddle
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Battlelord makes arms work

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Sadly sims poorly

nova marsh
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Tbh I wish bl wasnt so low

slow saddle
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Yup

nova marsh
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Our trees are so fucked

slow saddle
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Better gameplay

minor gust
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My slayer M+ cook is dropping blord

fervent cedar
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Remember when they said they would be reducing the number of throughput nodes in our general tree

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I remember that, good times

nova marsh
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Then again arms's tree has been cooked for years

nova marsh
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Blizzard is memeing

fervent cedar
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Its a psyop to force you to play prot

nova marsh
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They have been since alpha

fervent cedar
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Im.tellin you

nova marsh
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Fuck tank jail

lime ruin
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Ive been going tactical edge colossus in raids and M+

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less sim damage but its more fun

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a lot less of those feel bad moment where you get no procs

sharp tendon
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is col te thing again in m+ or slayer im stil gearing dont have the best stats yet

sick dragon
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Is there some version of this macro that will work? The goal:
If heroic strike procs, use that
if there are charges of overpower available, use that
if all else is empty, slam filler

#showtooltip
/Cast [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; [useable:Overpower] Overpower; [known:Slam] Slam

minor gust
sharp tendon
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oke i try both again before patch it was slayer i believe

minor gust
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Before patch they were close enough that it was dung/comp dependent

nova marsh
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Guys if tank no funnel

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Gg go fury?

frigid jewel
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That or slayer

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But thane is more fun than either arms spec IMO so I always go thane when colossus might be a problem

maiden apex
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How much more button spamming is fury compared to arms?

frigid jewel
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Fury will give you carpal tunnel

minor gust
maiden apex
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Uff. Guess I'll stick arms then

frigid jewel
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With fury, its considered a loss when you dont hit a button every GC

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And with how much haste you have, its short lol

nova marsh
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Thats....evrey spec in the game thou

frigid jewel
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Is it not? You're never resource starved so you always have a button to press

reef prairie
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There have been specs in the game where its not a dps loss to press nothing

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But that is rare

nova marsh
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Yeah

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Like ABC is literally the most basic advice of all time

frigid jewel
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Sure lol my bad

nova marsh
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Also we had one this season until last patch too

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Dk

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And popling

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God that shit on frost was cringe

minor gust
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Like old sub rogue when you were out of your CDs.

ebon rock
minor gust
frigid jewel
nova marsh
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Okay I get ya know

dim basalt
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TWW assa rogue also had to save energy for cds for the first two seasons I believe

frigid jewel
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The GC is very short and theres always a button to press even at 0 fury everything on cooldown

sudden owl
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Assa has always pooled energy since at least BFA

glacial shore
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w

frigid jewel
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So it can destroy your wrists if you dont cluster your binds

nova marsh
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I mean

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Id say its good practice to cluster ur binds anyways

frigid jewel
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Of course but ive seen some wild stuff

ebon rock
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True but I felt it especially mattered on fury haha

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Had fury been more competitive I would’ve been more incentivized to master it. I felt the work to reward wasn’t really worth it

frigid jewel
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It is not lol

ebon rock
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If I’m ruining my hands I better be pumping numbers

dim basalt
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I think I came to the realization that even a WR 500 guild sucks balls

jaunty drift
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I personally love slayer even in M+.

Colo single target still makes me want to kill myself

ebon rock
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Colo aoe > slayer aoe
Colo st < slayer st

storm canopy
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is aa still slayer key?

ebon rock
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In terms of fun imo

jaunty drift
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Yeah I know colo can be better aoe, in 15 mgt I did last night I was still pushing 500k on large packs with cds as slayer

frigid jewel
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AA ST is critical so I think so?

jaunty drift
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Know that would be better as colo, but that’s still really solid aoe dps lol

minor gust
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Slayer is still a good spec

dim basalt
sudden owl
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just depends on ur tank, this is the tank tier

jaunty drift
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Ya. Tank makes the biggest impact I’ve noticed

dim basalt
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As usual

jaunty drift
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Was playing with a solid tank last night and It was great

ebon rock
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I havent played since 12.05 came out. Does colo st at least seem a bit more fun now? (As in you’re not doing tank dps)

jaunty drift
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Some put tanks make me want to shoot myself

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No

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It’s dogshit @ebon rock

jaunty drift
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If you want to do tank dps and enjoy it

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Play Colo

sudden owl
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Tank pull big and stack mobs? Collo. Tank positioning bosses correctly in raid? You do damage.

Pug tank? Slayer imo. Tanks taunt the wrong paladin and it runs out into Narnia so u have 1 target? No damage

frigid jewel
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Losing a free cleave also hurt more than i thought it would

jaunty drift
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Eh, yes and no

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At least for me

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Where we only get 3, if I don’t have BS up I usually just get my 3 stacks of CD before I cleave during CS

ebon rock
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Aaaa i cant fathom why the fuck warr Got nerfed but the meta classes Got buffed. Are they fucking fried or what

jaunty drift
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It stays up long enough to build 3 times and get 3 juic cleaves

frigid jewel
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0% chance they dont

nova marsh
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Besides the slam bug

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Which is awful yes

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Well

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Colo is

ebon rock
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I wouldnt Care if they really just let us untouched but buffed other classes, but the fact that they nerf/tweak warr and then buff uh and devourer is INSANE

nova marsh
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Slayer got destroyed a bit

jaunty drift
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I haven’t had any issues competing and cranking with slayer still

frigid jewel
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Devourer and unholy buffed, arms nerfed and fury had it's life threatened lol

strange comet
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For Simming do we do patchwerk/5min
Ive read hectic add cleave is decent for m+ sims but idk if thats true

jaunty drift
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Hectic add cleave is good for M+ but if your tank don’t pull like it it’s useless

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lol

ebon rock
jaunty drift
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Meta classes are always going to outperform ā€œnon metaā€

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If your looking at the 1%

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Doesn’t mean it’s not viable

minor gust
jaunty drift
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I’m a diehard play what you enjoy and do well with

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Not chase the meta

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Unless what you want to play is just so broken (see arms in vanilla)

ebon rock
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Yeah no doubt. I can easily beat an overgeared devourer quite easily, but if he’s at the same skill level as me, he dog walks me

dim basalt
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Col arms can compete with anything

jaunty drift
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On aoe

dim basalt
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At least once the bugs are fixed

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Well, in overall

minor gust
jaunty drift
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Just make sure you have plenty of bullets in the chamber for ST

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So you can end your suffering

jaunty drift
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If you aren’t enjoying the game and hate meta classes but only play meta classes because stupid reasons, there’s no reason to play

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Game is for enjoyment

dim basalt
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Frozen the Slayer diehard

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(Based tho)

jaunty drift
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he has a brother in me

strange comet
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What are most people sitting at for crit/haste/mast?
I see stat weights sim is not used anymore really

jaunty drift
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I think unbuffed I’m 34% crit 25% haste rn

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I’ve just been gearing heavy crit/haste

strange comet
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im at 30% crit/25%haste/18%mast unbuffed. could be worse i guess

minor gust
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Most people aren't giga legendary players like biz or Crit. You are going to make mistakes and turns out you make less mistakes when you play something you find more fun and enjoyable

dim basalt
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Facts

jaunty drift
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I think more of us would be giga legendary if we got paid to play the game

dim basalt
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I just like how you wanted Slayer to have decent aoe in all of TWW and now you stick to it

jaunty drift
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But, alas, most of us aren’t that cool

ebon rock
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A lot of people are sleeping on crafted boots with only 1x stat. I used them when I was crit starving from changing from fury. Shit is like 135 crit

soft peak
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bro no one does +9. 20 mins in search

jaunty drift
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Tbh, the tier belt (from using manaflux) has massive crit to

sick stratus
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am I tripping or did they change heroic strike animation? I could have sworn it was the same as execute and now it looks like dk's death strike

jaunty drift
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Now for the 2nd question

sick stratus
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this threw me off so hard

jaunty drift
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Who else is a dwarven brethren

minor gust
jaunty drift
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It’s so nice for keys

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For some of that bleed shit

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Plus 2% crit damage

ebon rock
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HaranirGang

mystic bronze
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Orc

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Zug zug

dim basalt
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Slayer just flows so well in aoe, wish it was more consistent

jaunty drift
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Was an orc for awhile the went back to the dwarf master race

onyx fiber
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wish bladestorm was a bit spicier

dim basalt
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Col doesn't need much to have nicer flow as well

minor gust
jaunty drift
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Imo

mystic bronze
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I love Colossus, it feels so fun to play

onyx fiber
mystic bronze
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only wonky shit is the cast time

warped ether
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is the bug with deep wounds fixed yet ?

mystic bronze
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Press Demo, oh crap a circle spawned under my feet

onyx fiber
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šŸ˜…

dim basalt
mystic bronze
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WELP

dim basalt
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I love the robotic legs

onyx fiber
dim basalt
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Definitely cuter

onyx fiber
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i find them creepy šŸ˜…

minor gust
dim basalt
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Back to beta DN please gladge

dim basalt
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Beta DN was like what, 13% of our aoe damage?

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Or even more?

fresh spire
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love the guy

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and the corgos

near ice
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is demolish a slam around the target you hit (radius around target) or a frontal cleave of damage pushing in the direction you're facing?

minor gust
minor gust
sacred zodiac
fresh spire
minor gust
fresh spire
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Alklfg

slow saddle
fresh spire
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kinda hard for us to get that glory back now that reap/ CM is cleave based too šŸ™

minor gust
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Need to buff reap proc rate more if it's gonna be just cleave. I don't like when I press cleave 5 times without a single reap proc

languid torrent
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its 50/50

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it either happens or it doesnt

keen siren
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With slayer u prio op over ms in aoe and st or just aoe

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Wouldn’t u rather use a stacked ms first compared to op?

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And op has a chance to reset cd on ms

onyx fiber
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as collossus how do i use ravager in ST? hold it for anything? or just use on cd?

stone flax
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since the patch my dps dropped as hell in col spec. I don't understand why so much even with the FoB bug :/

minor gust
reef glade
runic heath
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is there any reason to play slayer again if ive gotten used to colossus finally

languid torrent
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sure

halcyon valve
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idk why but the game feels so slow rn

rain fiber
minor gust
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Yes you are gonna have less burst because of that obviously but it all evens out as the key goes on.

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What's hurting Colo right now is the bug

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It's a pretty decent chunk of dmg loss

pulsar frost
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whats th bug

runic heath
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its very very bad

civic jewel
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first time arms for paladins mythic here, do i prio cleave when i can hit all 3 bosses ? or carry on with just single target cleave ?

pulsar frost
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col feels fine in my keys, slayer feels kinda meh

radiant moon
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my st sim feels low for 280 ilvl, is that normal?

runic heath
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fervor of battle makes it so slam/HS auto casts on 3 target, so cleave gets 2gcd's worth of value @civic jewel

languid torrent
minor gust
languid torrent
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i bet youll break 90k with em

minor gust
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Any slayer enjoyers for keys I recommend this

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Especially with the bug

radiant moon
languid torrent
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arms pure ST sims REALLY low

radiant moon
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alright, was just wondering if im fcking smt really bad šŸ˜„

noble abyss
soft peak
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is it worth to use my hero crests to up this items to 276?

radiant moon
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except for not having the heart... which i cant get cuz noote will take me to myth even for 2 bosses šŸ˜„

languid torrent
runic heath
noble abyss
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oh k ty

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oh no wonder arms felt weird

civic jewel
inner wasp
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what do i need to know going into mythic chimmy tonight

soft peak
radiant moon
languid torrent
radiant moon
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small ones get nuked

inner wasp
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cuz fury liked being 2nd

vast helm
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bugs fixed when?

languid torrent
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youll hold for like 10 seconds

radiant moon
soft peak
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thanks

radiant moon
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been bugged last 2 tiers

inner wasp
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just hold for big add and nut on it?

languid torrent
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yea

radiant moon
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y also adds downstairs are shielded

languid torrent
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youll hold for 10 seconds, once stuff is grouped smash BS and going to town

radiant moon
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make sure u wrecking throw

languid torrent
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wrecking throw every time you can

inner wasp
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so i should wreck it as i charge in

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or as it's being gathered

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ig i should have avatar up tho

runic heath
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on cooldown

radiant moon
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you will get slapped by big add if u dont

runic heath
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pop parry for maximum aggression

radiant moon
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ive died so many times in hc cuz i leap, throw and then im dead šŸ˜„

radiant moon
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if u live consume after

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you should with raid cds

runic heath
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i mean you cn take stance mastery and become boulder mode

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i love javelineer but living is better

radiant moon
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usually you have link + healer ramp

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so depends

runic heath
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ive become addicted to wrecking throw as a 3s silence

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should just make it base kit 🄲

radiant breach
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I wish we had gotten a real ST buff

radiant moon
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having the extra kick is nice for intermission too

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bonus points it makes the add walk to u

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so

storm canopy
radiant breach
radiant moon
sudden owl
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wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a balance change for a while lol the game doesn't even work right now

radiant moon
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they are most likely different teams, so either they will ballance agressively now with data

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or we are just fcked till next season

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prob the latter šŸ˜„

radiant breach
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nah, they are just gonna buff devourer and aug šŸ™‚

radiant moon
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or unholy

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yeah

austere sapphire
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copium they just needed us to be trash all season to gather data bros, just a little bit more data and we'll get buffs trust

radiant moon
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better buff dev, new spec not top dps no crown

neon shale
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How much dps loss is our aoe bug rn

minor gust
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John blizzard new expansion spec none of it is surprising

languid torrent
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^

languid torrent
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yea lets be real, if you thought for a moment that spec wouldnt be disgusting

runic heath
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devs applying to my keys be like

languid torrent
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you are insane

minor gust
runic heath
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so in big keys isnt it just amplified tremendously

candid pecan
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wait what

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aoe bug?

runic heath
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i did a MC , and as much as i want to say that i greifed it, my overall was 30k lower than normal

languid torrent
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yea its alot of dam

minor gust
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no its less of a loss the more targets you are fighting

candid pecan
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which bug? the fervor slam/HS crit not applying dw?

minor gust
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yes

candid pecan
runic heath
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real question, am i manually casting HS in aoe and sending cleave to fish for procs off slam?

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cus that sounds turbo scuffed

minor gust
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you never press HS in aoe. Cleave with FOB uses cleave for you

radiant moon
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You never hs in aoe

minor gust
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wowhead guide is updated I recommend giving that a look at

radiant moon
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Only in st it becomes like no 2 prior in ur rotation

runic heath
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but if cleave/fob is bugged

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shouldnt i do it manually for now

radiant moon
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Cleave deep wounds is bugged

minor gust
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Fob still uses HS and slam

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and buffing it

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its just deep wounds

scarlet tinsel
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You gain way more with the 50% base damage of HS being fobbed

storm canopy
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If anyone have time to check a log for me, and give some tips, I would apperciate it

storm canopy
runic heath
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i feel so rage starved!

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what changed

heavy pewter
radiant moon
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Cuz arms kept capping it

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Now you need a shaman in grp

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Otherwise you spend some time in exe just waiting for rage

runic heath
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i fucking knew it

radiant moon
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Collosus is way worse in this. With slayer you can manage

boreal iris
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Hidden artifact arms warrior quest is up

runic heath
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bro what is wrong with arms capping rage??

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blizzard explain

radiant moon
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Ppl felt like it didn't matter

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So they nuked it over like 4 tiers šŸ˜‚

dire hinge
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Cosmetic Rage bar gladge

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if you're always swimming in resources then why does it exist in the first place

radiant moon
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Tbh if they buffed it a bit our exe st might not suck as much

runic heath
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okay, then let us rage gen outside of auto attacks

dire hinge
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yeah there's like 20 ways they could fix colossus execute

radiant moon
radiant moon
runic heath
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they could disable that talent lowkey and id probably not feel a difference

ashen trout
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i just gotta go grab it from smith right?

runic heath
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bring back mightragepotions

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i need something cmon

radiant moon
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On exe

runic heath
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you will cleave and be happy

dire hinge
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there's always charge-weaving, but it's a big harder to time since our Autoattack swingtimer isn't trackable like Ret Paladin's is sad_cat

radiant moon
fervent cedar
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Charge weave can explode

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Imo

dire hinge
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fully agree

runic heath
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"templar ret palidan class fantasyh" looks inside its an AC130

dire hinge
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same with cursed Parry Haste, but alas

boreal iris
fervent cedar
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True and real

dim basalt
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What is parry haste again

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I forgor

ashen trout
boreal iris
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Np

limpid lotus
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My 249 ele sham alt with two piece has a higher ST sim than my 281 warrior in m+ build

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XD

radiant moon
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Also can we talk about how prot is taking the war buff spot and it was playable every season for the last year

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Also doesn't help since at least one dps war would be brought if that wasn't the case

vapid spire
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Did the chinese found an exploit or something ?

radiant moon
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Just most likely figured some tech

languid torrent
weak wave
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What are these weired itemlevel ranges on bloodmallet? 6/6 hero is 276m 6/6 myth is 289 but neither is in the graphic

wintry dome
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damn aug popping off

grim oasis
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@languid torrent first roll

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arms owns confirmed

languid torrent
soft swift
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is our Fervor of Battle bug fixed?

rain fiber
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So on 2T we don't even press Cleave now?

I was progging on Paladins last night and I was waiting to get 3 stacks Collateral Damage and Cleave on that period of the fight when there are only 2 Paladins on melee, but I noticed my damage was poop. The idea is to simply do the ST rotation and ignore Cleave until the 3 paladins are stacked again right? I'm checking logs right now, but I'm not entirely sure if that's the play

radiant moon
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I'd just cleave to get stacks of collosal might

soft swift
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especially with the Fervor of Battle bug if its still live

woeful blaze
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If I never want to swap specs between st/mt or whatever content I am doing, slayer is preferable to colossus?

soft swift
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Slayer if you enjoy Bladestorm and Execute

woeful blaze
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I like demolish so imma colossus

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Thanks man

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You're the best

soft swift
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Colossal if you enjoy Demolish and Cleave

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yuuur

ashen trout
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wait in 2t we dont even use cleave to spend CD stacks?

warm fog
weak wave
rigid island
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are our skill sounds scuffed or is it just me?

soft venture
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Is there a new slayer build for m+? The one from before reset feels kinda.. scuffed

soft swift
full obsidian
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Btw

warm fog
full obsidian
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I forgot what i was guna say nvm

soft swift
vast hinge
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Why is biz doing like 100k+ in ST

full obsidian
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50/50

vast hinge
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Meanwhile I’m doing 55k in 17 keys

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And getting flamed by my teammates

willow lance
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Funnel?

full obsidian
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Its sad i know

soft swift
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comp?

full obsidian
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I need a funnel for my soap

soft swift
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you kind of need a monk and shammy

full obsidian
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Monk shammy aug

#

Priest healer

vast hinge
#

Was playing with a assa , Aug, rdru and monk

#

Bosses took 5 min legit without lust

full obsidian
#

Slayer?

vast hinge
#

4 30 with lust

#

Colo

full obsidian
#

Eh

vast hinge
#

I legit feel nerfed this patch

full obsidian
#

I dislike colo for that reason tbh

soft swift
#

what dungeon? you want to swap between slayer and colos in M+ depending

vast hinge
#

Wasn’t like this back at .0

#

Was skyreach, like overall was ok, 160k, but bosses took forever lmao

full obsidian
#

I use slayer in most dungeons that involve a lot of single target bosses

#

Yea skyreach is a slayer for me

floral tide
#

are there many changes in which builds for which dungeons/bosses this patch?

soft swift
#

ya Skyreach is 100% slayer

full obsidian
#

You can at least break 60 easily

soft swift
#

I'm sitting at 90k ST as slayer with proper comp

full obsidian
#

Ye

#

Thats if its a poor comp

vast hinge
#

Is shaman that important now?

soft swift
#

ya

robust ridge
#

Shaman makes a big difference

soft swift
#

playing with and without Sham and Monk is inting in anything higher than 15

full obsidian
#

I know colo gives big damage here and there and makes you look good

vast hinge
#

Monk is a given , Rsham not so much lol

full obsidian
#

But i just dont like how it feels whenever i go into st

vast hinge
#

Everyone rerolled rdru in my guild for keys

soft swift
vast hinge
#

And even with sham buffed they now cba

full obsidian
#

Ye ele slaps so

soft swift
#

Brew / Arms / Ele / Aug / rDruid is nice and simple. you can also go giga melee and tank / WW / Arms / Sham / Healer

vast hinge
#

I honestly feel my dps doesn’t change with or without aug

#

I hate playing with augs for that reason lol, feels like we’re down a dps on ST

soft swift
#

then the augs youve played with suck

vast hinge
#

Augmenting arms’s tank damage

#

On ST

rustic reef
#

If you have heroic track gaze would you spend rolls on pit of saron (weapon) or mythic gaze

vast hinge
#

Wep

soft swift
#

wep

full obsidian
#

Nah

#

Augs are my fav in m+

#

Warrior feels so much nicer with them

#

Like a normal class

strange comet
#

Speaking of heroic gaze, i don't remember who was simming earlier and their gaze was simming below flare, but I double checked when I got home and Gaze/heart still simming higher than flare or the void trinket

rare kite
#

worst feeling 2 dps spots are filled then the group leader invites an aug...

cyan skiff
#

has colo opener in M+ changed? Im under the impression charge > cleave > CS > cleave x3 > ms > demo

full obsidian
#

I could be just imagining it but idono

#

Feels differet bit better

clever crag
#

do we wrecking throw on cd as arms slayer ST ?

#

dont see it at all in the rotation when its on fury one

strange comet
soft swift
#

I play with an Aug that is parsing 90%+ and still cranks 50k+ ST and giga dmg on AoE

#

so idk

#

Aug can be good

#

sounds like you just been playing with shitter fotm augs

soft venture
#

idk how but i cannot get the big aoe from colossus, i feel like i mess up every pull somehow, only holding like 200k

rare kite
clever crag
#

anyone who knows about the wrecking throw ? or is it a dps loss to use in melee range

#

also rend is all the way down in prio but nr1 parser applies it at start and keeps it up

rare kite
clever crag
#

so just when Im completely rage starved and rend running

rare kite
#

yessir

clever crag
#

Im so used to using it alot because of fury lol

#

its a nice button to press

rare kite
#

very nice button to press against shields

clever crag
#

yeah ofc that is meaty

#

and this season has alot of shields

hard dragon
#

There's something about MC

#

That just turns people's brains off man

#

Get MIT to study this shit

limber valve
#

any reason to hold CDs on paladins for double extra cleave or just send

astral yarrow
rose matrix
#

So are you guys sending Demolish on CD in keys or still holding for CS in aoe

vapid sable
#

i'm pretty sure u can CS+demolish and solo demolish after, and CS+demolish still come back

untold pewter
#

Folls has our fob slam DW bug been fixed?

hushed hamlet
strange comet
rose matrix
#

I know the picture

zinc torrent
#

hey quick question why is in this log execute dmg without pressing it im not sure if i press it or not

reef glade
#

i mean... had to have been pressed at some point

#

nothing auto casts it

#

it is pretty last resort filler for colossus but not like you "never" hit it

zinc torrent
#

could this be free casts from sudden death?

reef glade
#

on bosses maybe its normal

#

i mean sure those too

#

you still are hitting the execute button tho

#

to spend sudden death

maiden notch
#

is there a spellreflect addon, like there used to be a weakaura that announces the reflect dmg?

upper sundial
#

#fixslayerarmstyvm<3

modest lagoon
#

Yo, if i wanna sim for m+ how should i do it ? Is patchwerk with my m+ build any relevant ?

strange comet
#

I typically do hectic add cleave and a single target patch. Compare the two it's probably somewhere in the middle

pulsar frost
#

any of you folks try biz new build, just the 2 talent swap for col?

rose matrix
#

He says to send Demolish on CD but everyone here says otherwise

#

Guess it depends on your crits

#

Trying to figure out if I want to hold or just send

wind hatch
#

As you can see the difference is pretty negligible

strange comet
steep citrus
#

i did a key just now and was able to use 2 demolishes in 1 CS window using it right away

#

so i imagine that would be the best use of it

paper gulch
#

Is deep wounds with slam bugged? I'm pressing it and not seeing it refresh unless it's a heroic strike

minor gust
#

pressing slam does apply DW slams casted from pressing cleave does not apply DW right now

paper gulch
#

Idk bro I kept pressing it and DW didn't refresh

#

and my damage dropped from yesterday

full obsidian
#

So if i get my myth wep

#

Wait

#

Nvm

rose matrix
#

I find it funny all the warrior specs that got changes just all feel worse now

rare kite
#

idk can't imagine arms feels worse in raid. the bladestorm buff is really nice for raid i think, will find out on monday

echo rampart
#

Arms Slayer feels good in both ST and AoE. esp at crit cap

rose matrix
#

Arms Slayer feels worse because the damage is worse

#

But in raid the extra damage on BS would feel better for sure

wind hatch
echo rampart
#

Nah, Slayer is fine dude, play better

stable fiber
#

i get 4 pit of saron rolls

#

ez

rose matrix
#

I mean its pretty cooked for M+ in comparison to Colossus

wind hatch
#

once they fix the fob bug I think its fine

stable fiber
#

if*

echo rampart
#

Critcake disagrees and i agree with him. its fine

robust ridge
wind hatch
#

and yeah bladestorm feels good now especially on the first boss

rose matrix
#

Dude it took like 8% AoE nerf

robust ridge
#

Then sadge

stable fiber
robust ridge
#

No chance, just believe

rose matrix
#

You might run Slayer in AA

#

Nothing else

stable fiber
#

i wouldnt get 2 dogshit items i cant wear from a place where 5 items are upgrades for me again right

wind hatch
#

thats a trade im glad to take

rose matrix
#

Yeah I know it's a buff but the spec feels worse

#

Worse to play

rare kite
#

i rolled pit twice. 3 items are upgrades, did not get them

echo rampart
#

I run slayer in everything. period. Colossus is ass ST even after 'buffs' and idc about trash dps. boss dps matters most in all content

stable fiber
#

let a bro dream

rare kite
proven veldt
#

also just not true that "boss dps matters most in all content"

stable fiber
#

none of the items are even upgrades because i cant upgrade them anyways

rose matrix
#

Yeah I would say it's at the point where the increased aoe is way more worth

late portal
#

yo guys how much % dps loss bug can someone tell pls

proven veldt
#

all damage matters in M+

stable fiber
#

maybe i just save them

rare kite
stable fiber
#

yeah i think i hold

rare kite
#

coz if you can't upgrade there's no point

proven veldt
#

people are going to be sitting on like 5+ myth items that will just be heroic items functionally for 2 months

#

because of crest bottleneck

late portal
#

nobody knows?

proven veldt
#

because the game just shits out mythic track items now but you can't upgrade them anyway

stable fiber
#

i mean i could hit the weapon from pit and it would be a decent upgrade

#

but its a could

minor gust
nova marsh
late portal
#

Hello

proven veldt
#

hi there

rare kite
minor gust
#

but hes assured me he keeps pressing it

wind hatch
minor gust
late portal
echo rampart
#

So wait, are you guys spending your voidcore bonus rolls instead of pooling them for when you have the crests to upgrade?

paper gulch
proven veldt
#

the only advantage of pooling is that you can guarantee you won't get bad luck with sort of a niche scenario with your vault

minor gust
minor gust
paper gulch
echo rampart
#

I guess, but since i dont need anything from my vault until i get like 240 myth crests, poolig makes more sence to me

rose matrix
#

Instead of fixing the bug they should just buff us by the same amount and then fix it a week later

languid torrent
#

we wont get the warlock/dk treatment

#

good try tho

rose matrix
#

Just revert the entire patch at this point

#

I can go back to Slayer Arms and all the bugs are gone

stable fiber
#

i get to reroll mythic l'ura now

#

BANG

#

incoming world first rerolled ring

rose matrix
#

What are your chances? 1/5?

stable fiber
#

uh

#

1/4?

full obsidian
rose matrix
#

Do the Curios not count for the rerolls?

sand totem
#

50/50
Either you get it or you don't

stable fiber
#

i can go prot loot spec and make it 1/3

#

i feel like curios dont count

#

or the mount

#

if i go prot i lose weapon though

wind hatch
#

yeah the weapon is nice

#

whats your best pull rn

stable fiber
#

i just stay arms and hope i hit the 1/2

stable fiber
#

think we can kill

#

40% in p3**

wind hatch
#

definitely possible

stable fiber
#

p4 is like free as fuck apparently

wind hatch
#

lock in

stable fiber
#

we went from like not geting past start of p3 to mid point of p3 last night

#

so at this rate maybe see p4 tonight?

potent drum
#

I am very surprised at my sim, got the choice of getting Gaze (H track) in the vault or Shoulder (Myth track) and the sim shows only 0.1% improvement with Gaze vs Solarflare+Puzlebox

Anyone can advise?

stable fiber
#

think PC killed it 2.2 raid nights after they first saw p4 so could happen if we lock in

potent drum
#

Slayer build right now

strange comet
slate talon
#

Gaze on HC simming that low is odd

hexed wadi
#

what should I use my bonus roll on if I don't mythic raid? AA for puzzle box?

strange comet
#

I simmed both a single target and an add cleave and gaze was highest on both but ymmv

potent drum
echo rampart
# full obsidian Theres a crit cap were ment to get to?

the crit 'Soft' cap is 1380 rating before DR kicks in, Im @ 1360 with flask. the same rating applies for the other secondaries as well. There is not'hard cap', but there is a point where its value starts to fall off, which is 1380 rating.

slate talon
#

I'd just so Solar/Gaze

#

you'll be fine

strange comet
potent drum
#

Ok, then i'll take that from my vault

strange comet
#

Meant to tag @potent drum

potent drum
potent drum
slate talon
#

Pretty low

strange comet
#

Might be why crit trinkets are simming higher

#

Mines at 30%, someone else had 35%

potent drum
#

Crit 689 25%
Haste 856 21.4%
Mastery 421 19%
Vers 179 3.31%

echo rampart
potent drum
#

few! ok

slate talon
#

I'm not on but I sit at 1086

strange comet
#

30/25 haste/ 18 mast

hard dragon
#

Ty scammer

sudden fox
#

Fuck outta here

minor gust
#

<@&257983573498265600>

potent drum
#

ok

echo rampart
#

i reported em. stupid scambots

bold ether
#

lol

echo rampart
#

@potent drum Get your crit up and everything will feel way better. try not to lose too mcuh haste in the process tho

hard dragon
#

I remember seeing that scam for the first time, was pretty convincing

#

They're getting more and more clever

#

I wish they didn't remove RtS from MS on slayer

hybrid needle
#

Was it another mrbeast one

hard dragon
#

Yeah

hybrid needle
#

Isnt that like 3 or 4 years old at this point? Time for something New

potent drum
hybrid needle
#

Gems and enchants is a basic answer tho. Sim it. okayge

hard dragon
#

Maybe almost a year old now

full obsidian
hard dragon
#

Damn man I need a trinket or smth

echo rampart
hard dragon
#

Myth weapon, blizzard help

full obsidian
#

:p

hard dragon
full obsidian
#

Like

#

from home?

#

Did you pee on the carpet

hard dragon
#

Yeah, blizzard took my house šŸ™

full obsidian
#

Shiee

echo rampart
#

@hard dragon I will gift you my trinket luck. I have litereally every trinket in the game. i got Gaze from a weekly quest for example.

full obsidian
#

They would if they could

#

I got gaze on my warri then a weekly q on my hunter

full obsidian
#

Ever since then though

#

..

hard dragon
#

Big ticket items have always been horrible for me to get in first season since legion

#

I remember trying to get my legendary

#

Took forever

full obsidian
#

Ive never gotten a bis trinket before in an expansion

hard dragon
#

Well gz

full obsidian
#

Or i get them after the seasons already guna be over

#

I did get twilights devestation early in bfa soe

#

That was fun

hard dragon
#

Yeah I remember getting my M15 geti'ikku at the end of the expac keks

full obsidian
#

Like week one or smthin

#

Maaan

echo rampart
#

then i got plume in the GV. the combnation is amazing. only use HoAH for prot

full obsidian
#

I wish theyd add that dung in a season

#

Was kewl

hard dragon
#

Yeah tanking in that season was super fun

full obsidian
#

I miss the bfa days

hard dragon
#

30 man blood dk mythic

full obsidian
#

Maybe not the azerite

#

Champion

hard dragon
#

I never got the title for the neck

upper sparrow
#

BFA was awesome, anyone who says otherwise just has too many alts

full obsidian
#

Loved it tbh lol

#

Dungeons raids

#

Twas all good

hard dragon
#

I remember my friend boosting alts in freehold to get the dino

#

For like

full obsidian
#

The zones as well

hard dragon
#

15 hours a day

full obsidian
#

Lal

#

I wish i got it

inner wasp
#

does anyone know why i can never look at lorrgs

full obsidian
#

Breh

#

I timed my self out

languid torrent
#

abuse early abuse often

full obsidian
#

Ye

#

Always

#

I never learn though

distant magnet
#

New to server here. How do you guys feel about the recent patch?

minor gust
#

6/10

hybrid needle
#

Not enough swatters for All them Bugs

flint cloud
#

is slayer still viable in m+?

minor gust
#

yes

wicked aurora
#

Just wanna check, the eyes of the eagle enchants aren't simbait right?

minor gust
#

No

wicked aurora
#

Well fuck it then I'll take a 1.5% increase for 5k

grim orchid
#

after the changes, slayer and colossus still close or is colossus way above now?

minor gust
#

Wouldn't say way above. More like comfortably

#

Slayer still good enough to play if you really hate Colo. Just know it's not gonna be better

inner wasp
#

if im playing slayer on chimaerus

#

do i still play crushing combo

#

thats what i see #2 log doing

minor gust
#

Your build depends on your raid and how long those adds live

hybrid needle
#

If its pugs youll most likely have 0 cleave cause everyone eats up the adds

minor gust
#

Gotta trial and error that shit

sacred zodiac
inner wasp
#

ig ill see if they die before my bladestorm ends

#

if they do then i play the regular slayer build

minor gust
#

if adds dont live for shit and the big add doesnt ever get close to the boss that you can sweep on it just go pure ST and vibe

hybrid needle
#

Just dont waste your cs on a mob thats gonna live 1 more global

potent drum
hexed wadi
#

what are the two bis trinket to use in mythic+? gaze and plume?

inner wasp
#

yea they die before bladestorm ends lol

minor gust
dull comet
#

Hello ! When you cleave, how's your position ? in or in front of the pack ?

sand totem
#

you want the pack totally in front of you

stable fiber
#

game.

inner wasp
#

do i send anything on pull on chimaerus

#

or just hold

stable fiber
inner wasp
#

i was told go down 1st..

#

so im going down 1st

ivory remnant
#

we BS ONLY DURING CS correct? meaning we hold until CS is ready, or we use on CD?

stable fiber
ivory remnant
minor gust
inner wasp
minor gust
#

I send CS on pull and I get it back for adds

#

are you guys not lusting on pull?

still rapids
#

How much dps % are we losing with the bug

inner wasp
minor gust
#

1st set of adds is not 10 seconds into the fight

rare kite
minor gust
#

20 sec is when the circle goes out

#

you dont really start hitting adds till like 25-28

#

if you are doing it right

#

wait for the big guy to come in

#

then blast lil boys

still rapids
#

I just send my cds on pull and pray to god

inner wasp
#

ok its tight but it works

#

depends on rage rng tho

#

i starve

frank rock
#

Could also check lorrgs.io to see what other people are doing precisely and check the logs accordingly to see in which order they go down

inner wasp
#

i am banned from lorrgs

frank rock
#

How is that even possible ?

inner wasp
#

great q

#

im rage starving trying to get cs back up before adds

#

im still pressing ms on cd i assume

rare kite
#

ofc

frank rock
#

Unless it's somewhat region-locked, I don't how it's even possible to be 'banned' from a website that doesn't require any authentication

inner wasp
#

they can ban any ip they want

balmy kindle
#

Bruh 4 M pieces for those who used dem cores keks

stark cape
#

used my voidcores on mythic gaze >

#

are yall running col or slayer in M+ or a bit of both

rose matrix
#

Colossus

stark cape
#

trying to decide which of the two is better / easier to get good at since im going into higher keys. ( swapping from fury ) just looking for personal preferences

#

Ill say Fury still does good but everyone tells me Arms is insane. Maybe im just not as good at it but i dont see huge increases compared to fury m-thane

rose matrix
#

Arms does have a bug right now but Colossus is better than Slayer after the most recent patch

#

Maybe run Slayer on AA but I still wouldn't

#

I think Slayer is more fun to play but it's worse

languid torrent
#

colossus really benefits from adds on a boss. if your tanks are doing that id recommend that

#

if not you can still do pretty solid as colossus but slayer will have boss dam

stark cape
#

On the target dummies im doing 30-40k dps LESS as colossus arms on 5 target cleave compared to Fury

rose matrix
#

Fury is pretty strong at those target counts but I assume if you are swapping you aren't geared for Arms either

stark cape
#

Hast/Mast boots/belt/weapon/ring

#

so yeah

languid torrent
#

colossus LOVES crit

rose matrix
#

Basically want crit on everything for colossus

stark cape
#

I got 25% crit with mythic gaze and heart

#

I follow the exact recommended rotation and right around rend times out im out of rage with abilities on CD ( no movement ) ill keep working on getting more crit / haste gear first then try to make the switch for keys.

#

ty for advice

rose matrix
#

That's because you're on 5 target dummies

visual otter
#

is mortal wounds just fully not working right now? We can just take another talent at the moment?

rose matrix
#

You don't really run out of rage on real aoe pulls in m+

near flax
#

in dungs are we still using demo in CS ? feels wrong with the new cdr

languid torrent
inner wasp
#

i will never forgive tank players

strange spoke
#

fellas I haven't played that much arms this tier but am playing it while progging M Vanguard. I'm having issues with generating rage on pull, most pulls I can't afford to press cleave 3 times in a row. Is there something I'm missing or arms just like that?

near flax
#

just throw an overpower in there if ur starved

stable fiber
nova marsh
#

Are we bug fixed yet

plucky bramble
#

hi, there is some bug with catalyst charges? i have all 4p and didnt drop on 25+ m+ while on my warlock i have like 7 of them

plucky bramble
#

sadge them

nova marsh
#

Ive had the same thing happen

plucky bramble
#

do we change anything for raid after the patch?

#

or still slayer

ebon tendon
#

am i catalyzing these or leaving em like wowhead says is bis

vapid spire
#

Any tips for H Midnight falls ? We're progging it

nova marsh
#

But maybe

nova marsh
ebon tendon
near flax
ebon tendon
#

im dogass so me gaining 1 iq point will make a bigger difference than any piece of gear

#

will just leave then

near flax
#

just sim other upgrades with and without

plucky bramble
#

i have boots and wrist with arcaneweave and weapon crafted, what do i craft next? ring?

nova marsh
#

Id sim it in top gear

plucky bramble
#

is the combo rings from xenas worth it?

nova marsh
#

I believe its bis for warr dps

near flax
#

Its simming best for me this whole season so i been running it

plucky bramble
#

i already have the mastery ring just need the crit one so maybe i skip crafting ring

nova marsh
#

Gamba

near flax
#

bonus roll it ;)

minor gust
plucky bramble
#

im bonus rolling on chimaerus

#

i hate puzzlebox

nova marsh
#

Kill puzzlebox

#

Trash item

plucky bramble
#

its the only trinket i have

#

im using it + heart

near flax
#

i got myth p box first vault and didn't take it

#

fk that

plucky bramble
#

maybe i will go after skyreach trinket but its simming worse for me

near flax
#

luckily got myth bis trinkets not long after

plucky bramble
#

chimaerus only next week

#

got chest today

#

i should be next on myth heart

#

so only need gaze

visual otter
sand totem
#

tried to Hleap over some mechanics on crown and immediately died
feelsbadman.jpeg

surreal spade
#

in SKY, slayer still better?

inner wasp
#

my cds are all lining up

#

n im doing the only rotation i know

vapid spire
#

Between those 2, is there a big difference ?

upper sparrow
#

If I’m not letting the sim dictate my life, what is best trinket to use for the most burst possible. I’m talking Drestagath 2.0

candid kindle
#

bro world ping still is fuckd for me wth

vapid spire
#

Cool, because i saw a lot of people craft the sword and i have Axe

nova marsh
half prawn
#

When upgrading both weapons to Heroic grade, is there a significant difference in DPS increase when ARMS WARRIOR equips a hammer instead of an axe? Or is it subtle?

flint cloud
#

How much damage loss in aoe with the bug?

nova marsh
#

only the stats

#

The literal only spec in modern wow weapon type matters for is outlaw

nova marsh
half prawn
nova marsh
#

The reason why garfrost's is bis over that is because of stats

#

Not because it's a hammer

ebon tendon
#

bonks šŸ“ˆ

kind flax
#

Does anyone know what this strange regirock pattern is behind my cd? this only happens on my warrior.

half prawn
nova marsh
#

I mean

#

I'm also not a robot

visual otter
dire hinge
#

you can also do /fstack and then hover over them, and it'll give you a huge list of code sources to give you a hint of what you're hovering over.

#

then just /fstack again to disable the on-hover stuff

kind flax
#

thing is, it doesnt always appear

dire hinge
#

For sure! But yeah that could be anything. Addon devs love to build weird trackers, and then they break after every major update

kind flax
#

so tryingto replicate it with addons turned off seems a bit grueling but it is what it is lol

dire hinge
#

you can always hit training dummies in Silvermoon to see if you can proc them in a spot safe to do /fstack/hover

dire hinge
#

here's what that looks like btw

humble gale
#

does anyone have a mythic paladins pov I can watch, never really played arms before and I dont wanna grief

warped fable
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paladin?

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anyway, i watched critcake and info guides from maddox and such to learn warrior, and im at a polint where i can sometimes do my own lil talents and still do good

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flint cloud
inner wasp
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am i supposed to bonus roll chimaerus

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or a dungeon

nova marsh
warped fable
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arms is fairly simple and isnt as high apm as fury

inner wasp
rare kite
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i did 2 PoS rolls then gonna roll chim(i held last weeks vault so i have 4)

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warped fable
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archi's warrior guide are also pretty good :D

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its another place i good my start as arms

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#goated

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also, is it just me or are the sound effects for arms broken

nova marsh
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this has been reported by many people

inner wasp
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hugeee

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I think it might also be on other classes. It's just a really weird bug