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"omg arms gameplay sucks!"
I've seen it before 
once there are no complaints, the gameplay is being doomed
I see it every expansion lol
I like how Arms plays. Which is why I don't touch fury, and haven't for years
A bit hank and outdated but I like it
I like both specs, idk why others hate Arms so much. I feel like it's a very nuanced spec and has so many cool optimisation steps
in M+ at least
Thats kinda why
in raid its okay, I dig it
Really enjoy arms in keys, not a fan in raid, idk the rotation just feels weird in raid for some reason
Tbh I dont like being so reliant on funnel for colo
in raid it feels like
if you get giga procs
you feel like the king and everything is beautiful
if you press MS - 3x slam - MS - 2x Slam 1x OP
that feels like
ass
Yeah for sure
Like legit if your tank dosent bring mobs in evrey time or you cant colo is dead
And thats so ass
At this point im shocked wf isnt decoupled from our resources
in some pulls I have bladestorm ready again for the 2nd CS
in some pulls I run out of rage on 2nd CS
I hate how I can see that dumb smoke bomb. Told Prophet to play sin when I almost died cuz I couldn't see shit underneath it
the variance is crazy
Turn your particle density down
You have to to play with law now lmao
smokebomb is bugged
That too
Some variance is ok but it definitely feels like arms can be pretty aggregious on slayer in particular for sure
the visual is way too obnoxious rn
The energy is fucking annoying
But muh wep enchants
would help if we could spec Battlelord in ST
but we dont sadly
True
Yeah I feel you
But I had to when I started law that shit is an atrocious visual
I will have. U know
Is the bleed still bugued ?
I had ms-slam-slam-slam-slam-ms
"Oh we're gonna work on visual clarity" makes a smoke bomb visual so damn bad you cant even see the floor
I kinda wish
Tacti hadn't been massacred
You playin bladestorm on colo?
4x slam seems like a scam
sir gokke
i mean you can go 6x slam too if you want
Was confused if there is some tech I was missing
I swap between fury thane and arms slayer depending on raid encounter
cause fury is a fucking padding machine for logs
and not always actually better
I mean thats how it felt
Like tactician is broken
Bl
not proccing a 30% so often is weird
Tacti has felt horrible for me like all xpack
in M+ it procs all the time
Yup
but in raid its so rare
Even compared to tww it feels so rare
Guys if you want more tac procs just take master tactician
Like my raid uptime since 12.05 on shit

3 slams, no sd proc, I explode
I will master this tactican in your bed
Byt i guess its the price of not takim battlelord
Ayo?
Tbh I wish bl wasnt so low
Yup
Our trees are so fucked
Better gameplay
Remember when they said they would be reducing the number of throughput nodes in our general tree
I remember that, good times
Then again arms's tree has been cooked for years
And now we can't take our utility capstones lmafo
Blizzard is memeing
Its a psyop to force you to play prot
They have been since alpha
Im.tellin you
Fuck tank jail
Ive been going tactical edge colossus in raids and M+
less sim damage but its more fun
a lot less of those feel bad moment where you get no procs
is col te thing again in m+ or slayer im stil gearing dont have the best stats yet
Is there some version of this macro that will work? The goal:
If heroic strike procs, use that
if there are charges of overpower available, use that
if all else is empty, slam filler
#showtooltip
/Cast [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; [useable:Overpower] Overpower; [known:Slam] Slam
You can play both but Colo generally better now
oke i try both again before patch it was slayer i believe
Before patch they were close enough that it was dung/comp dependent
That or slayer
But thane is more fun than either arms spec IMO so I always go thane when colossus might be a problem
How much more button spamming is fury compared to arms?
Fury will give you carpal tunnel
Slayer still good
Uff. Guess I'll stick arms then
With fury, its considered a loss when you dont hit a button every GC
And with how much haste you have, its short lol
??????
Thats....evrey spec in the game thou
Is it not? You're never resource starved so you always have a button to press
There have been specs in the game where its not a dps loss to press nothing
But that is rare
Sure lol my bad
Also we had one this season until last patch too
Dk
And popling
God that shit on frost was cringe
Like old sub rogue when you were out of your CDs.
I get his point tho. Fury is very tempo when everything is up, so GCD Can be very intense, making every millisecond impctful

Thats more what I meant lol
Okay I get ya know
TWW assa rogue also had to save energy for cds for the first two seasons I believe
The GC is very short and theres always a button to press even at 0 fury everything on cooldown
Assa has always pooled energy since at least BFA
w
So it can destroy your wrists if you dont cluster your binds
Of course but ive seen some wild stuff
True but I felt it especially mattered on fury haha
Had fury been more competitive I wouldāve been more incentivized to master it. I felt the work to reward wasnāt really worth it
It is not lol
If Iām ruining my hands I better be pumping numbers
I think I came to the realization that even a WR 500 guild sucks balls
I personally love slayer even in M+.
Colo single target still makes me want to kill myself
Colo aoe > slayer aoe
Colo st < slayer st
is aa still slayer key?
In terms of fun imo
Yeah I know colo can be better aoe, in 15 mgt I did last night I was still pushing 500k on large packs with cds as slayer
AA ST is critical so I think so?
Know that would be better as colo, but thatās still really solid aoe dps lol
Slayer is still a good spec
You can play both in AA, just check what talents Biz plays
hmm okay
just depends on ur tank, this is the tank tier
Ya. Tank makes the biggest impact Iāve noticed
As usual
Was playing with a solid tank last night and It was great
I havent played since 12.05 came out. Does colo st at least seem a bit more fun now? (As in youāre not doing tank dps)
No lol
You need funnel
Tank pull big and stack mobs? Collo. Tank positioning bosses correctly in raid? You do damage.
Pug tank? Slayer imo. Tanks taunt the wrong paladin and it runs out into Narnia so u have 1 target? No damage
Losing a free cleave also hurt more than i thought it would
Eh, yes and no
At least for me
Where we only get 3, if I donāt have BS up I usually just get my 3 stacks of CD before I cleave during CS
Aaaa i cant fathom why the fuck warr Got nerfed but the meta classes Got buffed. Are they fucking fried or what
It stays up long enough to build 3 times and get 3 juic cleaves
They use AI
0% chance they dont
I mean technically we're about the same
Besides the slam bug
Which is awful yes
Well
Colo is
I wouldnt Care if they really just let us untouched but buffed other classes, but the fact that they nerf/tweak warr and then buff uh and devourer is INSANE
Slayer got destroyed a bit
I havenāt had any issues competing and cranking with slayer still
Devourer and unholy buffed, arms nerfed and fury had it's life threatened lol
For Simming do we do patchwerk/5min
Ive read hectic add cleave is decent for m+ sims but idk if thats true
Hectic add cleave is good for M+ but if your tank donāt pull like it itās useless
lol
From my exp, if youāre playing with really good top meta classes, you wont be able to compete for some dungs
Meta classes are always going to outperform ānon metaā
If your looking at the 1%
Doesnāt mean itās not viable

Iām a diehard play what you enjoy and do well with
Not chase the meta
Unless what you want to play is just so broken (see arms in vanilla)
Yeah no doubt. I can easily beat an overgeared devourer quite easily, but if heās at the same skill level as me, he dog walks me
Col arms can compete with anything
On aoe
Another smart person like me speaking nothing but facts
Just make sure you have plenty of bullets in the chamber for ST
So you can end your suffering
If you arenāt enjoying the game and hate meta classes but only play meta classes because stupid reasons, thereās no reason to play
Game is for enjoyment
he has a brother in me
What are most people sitting at for crit/haste/mast?
I see stat weights sim is not used anymore really
I think unbuffed Iām 34% crit 25% haste rn
Iāve just been gearing heavy crit/haste
im at 30% crit/25%haste/18%mast unbuffed. could be worse i guess
Most people aren't giga legendary players like biz or Crit. You are going to make mistakes and turns out you make less mistakes when you play something you find more fun and enjoyable
Facts
I think more of us would be giga legendary if we got paid to play the game
I just like how you wanted Slayer to have decent aoe in all of TWW and now you stick to it
But, alas, most of us arenāt that cool
A lot of people are sleeping on crafted boots with only 1x stat. I used them when I was crit starving from changing from fury. Shit is like 135 crit
bro no one does +9. 20 mins in search

Tbh, the tier belt (from using manaflux) has massive crit to
am I tripping or did they change heroic strike animation? I could have sworn it was the same as execute and now it looks like dk's death strike
Ye
Now for the 2nd question
this threw me off so hard
Who else is a dwarven brethren
I did some slayer keys in TWW it's aoe was also not that bad. My main problem was it also just wasn't fun to play at the time. Ignoring SD in aoe keeping track of MFE stacks on one target. It was just bad to play in keys gameplay wise. Midnight slayer in keys is pretty much perfection.
HaranirGang
Slayer just flows so well in aoe, wish it was more consistent
Was an orc for awhile the went back to the dwarf master race
wish bladestorm was a bit spicier
Col doesn't need much to have nicer flow as well
Sorry man nelf supremacy. Good looking and top tier racial ability
Yeah, if more things proced reap the storm consistently like if you cleave 3 targets and it always proced reap that would solve slayer aoe
Imo
I love Colossus, it feels so fun to play
gnomes tho ā¤ļø
only wonky shit is the cast time
is the bug with deep wounds fixed yet ?
Press Demo, oh crap a circle spawned under my feet
š
Mecha gnomes bis
WELP
I love the robotic legs
not very cute tho š
Definitely cuter
i find them creepy š
Tbh id be down with them just buffing the fuck outta DN now that slayer likes more op priority with MS reap gone. That or yeah higher reap chances for cleave. 20% is insanely low for 1 button press you really feel that RNG now
Back to beta DN please 
Happy Alkhaizer
is demolish a slam around the target you hit (radius around target) or a frontal cleave of damage pushing in the direction you're facing?
It was competing with cleave yeah
Frontal cone
I like watching his and Ruetoos vids whenever a new poe2 league comes out
you clearly didnt see the docs
ruetoo can't take a solidddd pooopoo

Alklfg
Yeees and opportunist budd
kinda hard for us to get that glory back now that reap/ CM is cleave based too š
Need to buff reap proc rate more if it's gonna be just cleave. I don't like when I press cleave 5 times without a single reap proc

With slayer u prio op over ms in aoe and st or just aoe
Wouldnāt u rather use a stacked ms first compared to op?
And op has a chance to reset cd on ms
as collossus how do i use ravager in ST? hold it for anything? or just use on cd?
since the patch my dps dropped as hell in col spec. I don't understand why so much even with the FoB bug :/
Op is only prio over MS in aoe
Is this dampcrucial
is there any reason to play slayer again if ive gotten used to colossus finally
sure
idk why but the game feels so slow rn
we lost 1 Cleave on burst and that window of Cleave + Ravager is a lot of aoe damage, might be that
Yes you are gonna have less burst because of that obviously but it all evens out as the key goes on.
What's hurting Colo right now is the bug
It's a pretty decent chunk of dmg loss
whats th bug
its very very bad
first time arms for paladins mythic here, do i prio cleave when i can hit all 3 bosses ? or carry on with just single target cleave ?
col feels fine in my keys, slayer feels kinda meh
my st sim feels low for 280 ilvl, is that normal?
fervor of battle makes it so slam/HS auto casts on 3 target, so cleave gets 2gcd's worth of value @civic jewel
nah thats about right. double check your ring enchants. they are pretty big
i bet youll break 90k with em
they are simmed, double eyes is the best i have atm
then yea you are about where you should be
arms pure ST sims REALLY low
alright, was just wondering if im fcking smt really bad š
which bug?
is it worth to use my hero crests to up this items to 276?
except for not having the heart... which i cant get cuz noote will take me to myth even for 2 bosses š
the one in the updates channel
ton of main stat, so yes
Ty for advice so essentially if i can hit all 3 then cleave takes prio then if not just use sweeping with ST rotation then ?
correct
what do i need to know going into mythic chimmy tonight
up hero items with crests and craft with myth?
fck going aoe, just sweep for big add
BEG BEG BEG to get first down
small ones get nuked
i can make it happen, does that mean i need to hold cds tho?
cuz fury liked being 2nd
bugs fixed when?
yes
youll hold for like 10 seconds
yes
or just go 2nd, reset collosus smash and hope
thanks
i secured group 1
just hold for big add and nut on it?
yea
y also adds downstairs are shielded
youll hold for 10 seconds, once stuff is grouped smash BS and going to town
make sure u wrecking throw
wrecking throw every time you can
so i should wreck it as i charge in
or as it's being gathered
ig i should have avatar up tho
on cooldown
wait for tank
you will get slapped by big add if u dont
pop parry for maximum aggression
ive died so many times in hc cuz i leap, throw and then im dead š
or that
if u live consume after
you should with raid cds
i mean you cn take stance mastery and become boulder mode
i love javelineer but living is better
ive become addicted to wrecking throw as a 3s silence
should just make it base kit š„²
I wish we had gotten a real ST buff
having the extra kick is nice for intermission too
bonus points it makes the add walk to u
so
We Will tomorrow dont worry

surely
just gotta puff some of this

wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a balance change for a while lol the game doesn't even work right now
they are most likely different teams, so either they will ballance agressively now with data
or we are just fcked till next season
prob the latter š
nah, they are just gonna buff devourer and aug š
they just needed us to be trash all season to gather data bros, just a little bit more data and we'll get buffs trust
better buff dev, new spec not top dps no crown
How much dps loss is our aoe bug rn
John blizzard new expansion spec none of it is surprising
^
yea lets be real, if you thought for a moment that spec wouldnt be disgusting
devs applying to my keys be like
you are insane
5.5% in 5T give or take depending what you are playing and how much you are fighting
so in big keys isnt it just amplified tremendously
i did a MC , and as much as i want to say that i greifed it, my overall was 30k lower than normal
yea its alot of dam
no its less of a loss the more targets you are fighting
which bug? the fervor slam/HS crit not applying dw?
yes

real question, am i manually casting HS in aoe and sending cleave to fish for procs off slam?
cus that sounds turbo scuffed
you never press HS in aoe. Cleave with FOB uses cleave for you
You never hs in aoe
wowhead guide is updated I recommend giving that a look at
Only in st it becomes like no 2 prior in ur rotation
Cleave deep wounds is bugged
You gain way more with the 50% base damage of HS being fobbed
If anyone have time to check a log for me, and give some tips, I would apperciate it
Just did a skyreach as slayer⦠it was awful
I posted in help and log review yesterday. Hoping to get some help before Friday night, if anyone could take a look with me and provide some insight! Much appreciated, brethren:
https://ptb.discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1496590560633426092
Yeah nerfed rage gen like 3x
Cuz arms kept capping it
Now you need a shaman in grp
Otherwise you spend some time in exe just waiting for rage
i fucking knew it
Collosus is way worse in this. With slayer you can manage
Hidden artifact arms warrior quest is up
Cosmetic Rage bar 
if you're always swimming in resources then why does it exist in the first place
Tbh if they buffed it a bit our exe st might not suck as much
okay, then let us rage gen outside of auto attacks
yeah there's like 20 ways they could fix colossus execute
Yes, but no other class pools res into burst windows š
You don't like rng bleeds rage? š
they could disable that talent lowkey and id probably not feel a difference
arcanite bladebreaker?
i just gotta go grab it from smith right?
you will cleave and be happy
there's always charge-weaving, but it's a big harder to time since our Autoattack swingtimer isn't trackable like Ret Paladin's is 
And our autos aren't ranged unlike ret š
fully agree
"templar ret palidan class fantasyh" looks inside its an AC130
same with cursed Parry Haste, but alas
Master Smith Helgar in skyhold
True and real
ty my goat
Np
My 249 ele sham alt with two piece has a higher ST sim than my 281 warrior in m+ build
XD
Also can we talk about how prot is taking the war buff spot and it was playable every season for the last year
Also doesn't help since at least one dps war would be brought if that wasn't the case
Did the chinese found an exploit or something ?
Just most likely figured some tech
probably. its why you just kinda ignore everything they do
What are these weired itemlevel ranges on bloodmallet? 6/6 hero is 276m 6/6 myth is 289 but neither is in the graphic
damn aug popping off
huge
is our Fervor of Battle bug fixed?
So on 2T we don't even press Cleave now?
I was progging on Paladins last night and I was waiting to get 3 stacks Collateral Damage and Cleave on that period of the fight when there are only 2 Paladins on melee, but I noticed my damage was poop. The idea is to simply do the ST rotation and ignore Cleave until the 3 paladins are stacked again right? I'm checking logs right now, but I'm not entirely sure if that's the play
Prob not, collosus aoe just got nerfed so u won't pop off quite as much
I'd just cleave to get stacks of collosal might
imo Pal does better as focusing Slayer 2T cleave
especially with the Fervor of Battle bug if its still live
If I never want to swap specs between st/mt or whatever content I am doing, slayer is preferable to colossus?
both work honestly, if you are not that concerned with optimization. It'd be more about choosing the playstyle you like
Slayer if you enjoy Bladestorm and Execute
wait in 2t we dont even use cleave to spend CD stacks?
I think itās shows what the 298 trinkets will be when you can upgrade them
but no hero track. what is the 279 supposed to be?
are our skill sounds scuffed or is it just me?
Is there a new slayer build for m+? The one from before reset feels kinda.. scuffed
nope. likely just due to the Fervor bug
Btw
Yeh dunno
I forgot what i was guna say nvm
you good? lol
Why is biz doing like 100k+ in ST
50/50
Funnel?
Its sad i know
comp?
I need a funnel for my soap
you kind of need a monk and shammy
Slayer?
Eh
I legit feel nerfed this patch
I dislike colo for that reason tbh
what dungeon? you want to swap between slayer and colos in M+ depending
Wasnāt like this back at .0
Was skyreach, like overall was ok, 160k, but bosses took forever lmao
I use slayer in most dungeons that involve a lot of single target bosses
Yea skyreach is a slayer for me
are there many changes in which builds for which dungeons/bosses this patch?
ya Skyreach is 100% slayer
You can at least break 60 easily
I'm sitting at 90k ST as slayer with proper comp
Is shaman that important now?
ya
Shaman makes a big difference
playing with and without Sham and Monk is inting in anything higher than 15
I know colo gives big damage here and there and makes you look good
Monk is a given , Rsham not so much lol
But i just dont like how it feels whenever i go into st
Everyone rerolled rdru in my guild for keys
nah, jsut bring an Ele
And even with sham buffed they now cba
Ye ele slaps so
Brew / Arms / Ele / Aug / rDruid is nice and simple. you can also go giga melee and tank / WW / Arms / Sham / Healer
I honestly feel my dps doesnāt change with or without aug
I hate playing with augs for that reason lol, feels like weāre down a dps on ST
then the augs youve played with suck
If you have heroic track gaze would you spend rolls on pit of saron (weapon) or mythic gaze
Wep
wep
Nah
Augs are my fav in m+
Warrior feels so much nicer with them
Like a normal class
Speaking of heroic gaze, i don't remember who was simming earlier and their gaze was simming below flare, but I double checked when I got home and Gaze/heart still simming higher than flare or the void trinket
ngl i don't notice my overall being that much higher with augs. the few times i'm forced to run with them
worst feeling 2 dps spots are filled then the group leader invites an aug...
has colo opener in M+ changed? Im under the impression charge > cleave > CS > cleave x3 > ms > demo
do we wrecking throw on cd as arms slayer ST ?
dont see it at all in the rotation when its on fury one
If you're starting with no stacks of might yea
I play with an Aug that is parsing 90%+ and still cranks 50k+ ST and giga dmg on AoE
so idk
Aug can be good
sounds like you just been playing with shitter fotm augs
idk how but i cannot get the big aoe from colossus, i feel like i mess up every pull somehow, only holding like 200k
idk shouldn't be that hard to apply some buffs and use whatever their breath is called. i think it's just aug isn't that great with warrior tbh
anyone who knows about the wrecking throw ? or is it a dps loss to use in melee range
also rend is all the way down in prio but nr1 parser applies it at start and keeps it up
it's lowest prio st. if no rage for anything you press
so just when Im completely rage starved and rend running
yessir
very nice button to press against shields
There's something about MC
That just turns people's brains off man
Get MIT to study this shit
any reason to hold CDs on paladins for double extra cleave or just send
just send and try to have rav + cs for the triple target timings
So are you guys sending Demolish on CD in keys or still holding for CS in aoe
i'm pretty sure u can CS+demolish and solo demolish after, and CS+demolish still come back
Folls has our fob slam DW bug been fixed?
Depends how lucky you feel with 30% crit
Someone post the picture
I know the picture
hey quick question why is in this log execute dmg without pressing it im not sure if i press it or not
i mean... had to have been pressed at some point
nothing auto casts it
it is pretty last resort filler for colossus but not like you "never" hit it
could this be free casts from sudden death?
on bosses maybe its normal
i mean sure those too
you still are hitting the execute button tho
to spend sudden death
is there a spellreflect addon, like there used to be a weakaura that announces the reflect dmg?
#fixslayerarmstyvm<3
Yo, if i wanna sim for m+ how should i do it ? Is patchwerk with my m+ build any relevant ?
I typically do hectic add cleave and a single target patch. Compare the two it's probably somewhere in the middle
any of you folks try biz new build, just the 2 talent swap for col?
He says to send Demolish on CD but everyone here says otherwise
Guess it depends on your crits
Trying to figure out if I want to hold or just send
As you can see the difference is pretty negligible
Did he post that here earlier?
i did a key just now and was able to use 2 demolishes in 1 CS window using it right away
so i imagine that would be the best use of it
Is deep wounds with slam bugged? I'm pressing it and not seeing it refresh unless it's a heroic strike
pressing slam does apply DW slams casted from pressing cleave does not apply DW right now
Idk bro I kept pressing it and DW didn't refresh
and my damage dropped from yesterday
I find it funny all the warrior specs that got changes just all feel worse now
idk can't imagine arms feels worse in raid. the bladestorm buff is really nice for raid i think, will find out on monday
Arms Slayer feels good in both ST and AoE. esp at crit cap
Arms Slayer feels worse because the damage is worse
But in raid the extra damage on BS would feel better for sure
the damage in raid is better except for paladins
Nah, Slayer is fine dude, play better
I mean its pretty cooked for M+ in comparison to Colossus
once they fix the fob bug I think its fine
if*
Critcake disagrees and i agree with him. its fine
Unless your second set of rolls roll exactly the same items
and yeah bladestorm feels good now especially on the first boss
Dude it took like 8% AoE nerf
Then sadge
not a chance surely
No chance, just believe
i wouldnt get 2 dogshit items i cant wear from a place where 5 items are upgrades for me again right
we also got an 8% st buff for colo
thats a trade im glad to take
hahah surely...
i rolled pit twice. 3 items are upgrades, did not get them
I run slayer in everything. period. Colossus is ass ST even after 'buffs' and idc about trash dps. boss dps matters most in all content
let a bro dream
idk i do like 70k something st on col now, it's not bad. obviously not great tho
also just not true that "boss dps matters most in all content"
none of the items are even upgrades because i cant upgrade them anyways
Yeah I would say it's at the point where the increased aoe is way more worth
yo guys how much % dps loss bug can someone tell pls
all damage matters in M+
maybe i just save them
oh then you just hold no? incase vault
yeah i think i hold
coz if you can't upgrade there's no point
it's the weirdest thing about this gearing system right now (or one of them)
people are going to be sitting on like 5+ myth items that will just be heroic items functionally for 2 months
because of crest bottleneck
nobody knows?
because the game just shits out mythic track items now but you can't upgrade them anyway
i mean i could hit the weapon from pit and it would be a decent upgrade
but its a could
no idea what you are doing because my slam applies DW

3 per week is an insane gain for key andies
Hello
hi there
i lowkey think his slams just didn't crit
but hes assured me he keeps pressing it
i think its like -5%

thx bro
So wait, are you guys spending your voidcore bonus rolls instead of pooling them for when you have the crests to upgrade?
Well each slam should refresh the duration of deep wounds back to 8 seconds right
the only advantage of pooling is that you can guarantee you won't get bad luck with sort of a niche scenario with your vault
that is indeed what my slam does yes
if they crit yes
I think you are on to something
Oh derp, someone smarter actually gave me an answer I didn't realize
I guess, but since i dont need anything from my vault until i get like 240 myth crests, poolig makes more sence to me
Instead of fixing the bug they should just buff us by the same amount and then fix it a week later
Just revert the entire patch at this point
I can go back to Slayer Arms and all the bugs are gone
What are your chances? 1/5?
Theres a crit cap were ment to get to?
Do the Curios not count for the rerolls?
50/50
Either you get it or you don't
i can go prot loot spec and make it 1/3
i feel like curios dont count
or the mount
if i go prot i lose weapon though
i just stay arms and hope i hit the 1/2
its like 40% with 3 4 hour raids left
think we can kill
40% in p3**
definitely possible
p4 is like free as fuck apparently
lock in
we went from like not geting past start of p3 to mid point of p3 last night
so at this rate maybe see p4 tonight?
I am very surprised at my sim, got the choice of getting Gaze (H track) in the vault or Shoulder (Myth track) and the sim shows only 0.1% improvement with Gaze vs Solarflare+Puzlebox
Anyone can advise?
think PC killed it 2.2 raid nights after they first saw p4 so could happen if we lock in
What did you sim?
Gaze sims are weird. A few people earlier had gaze simming lower than flare. Mine still sims highest of all my trinkets. Might be related to your base crit on your gear?
Try PW 1:30 7 target
Gaze on HC simming that low is odd
what should I use my bonus roll on if I don't mythic raid? AA for puzzle box?
I simmed both a single target and an add cleave and gaze was highest on both but ymmv
even lower
the crit 'Soft' cap is 1380 rating before DR kicks in, Im @ 1360 with flask. the same rating applies for the other secondaries as well. There is not'hard cap', but there is a point where its value starts to fall off, which is 1380 rating.
I think its weird, also PB feels horrible on arms imo
I'd just so Solar/Gaze
you'll be fine
What's your base crit
Ok, then i'll take that from my vault
Meant to tag @potent drum
logging on to check
25% 689
Pretty low
Crit 689 25%
Haste 856 21.4%
Mastery 421 19%
Vers 179 3.31%
yeah im at 36% base Crit with Umbral Plum Trinket. Without it im at 32%
few! ok
I'm not on but I sit at 1086
30/25 haste/ 18 mast
Ty scammer
Fuck outta here
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ok
i reported em. stupid scambots
lol
@potent drum Get your crit up and everything will feel way better. try not to lose too mcuh haste in the process tho
I remember seeing that scam for the first time, was pretty convincing
They're getting more and more clever
I wish they didn't remove RtS from MS on slayer
Was it another mrbeast one
Yeah
Isnt that like 3 or 4 years old at this point? Time for something New
Ok, thanks man I will look where I can get some more crit, starting with gems enchants
Gems and enchants is a basic answer tho. Sim it. 
Nah it's somewhat new
Maybe almost a year old now
Intwesting, im way off, tnx
Damn man I need a trinket or smth
Meh it didnt proc that much off MS anyways. even with tactician. Im jut glad we still got it on SD proc. if they took that away like they threatened too, that wouldve been the worst
Myth weapon, blizzard help
Locked out for the week already š
Yeah, blizzard took my house š
Shiee
@hard dragon I will gift you my trinket luck. I have litereally every trinket in the game. i got Gaze from a weekly quest for example.

Big ticket items have always been horrible for me to get in first season since legion
I remember trying to get my legendary
Took forever
Ive never gotten a bis trinket before in an expansion
Well gz
Or i get them after the seasons already guna be over
I did get twilights devestation early in bfa soe
That was fun
Yeah I remember getting my M15 geti'ikku at the end of the expac 
then i got plume in the GV. the combnation is amazing. only use HoAH for prot
Yeah tanking in that season was super fun
I miss the bfa days
30 man blood dk mythic
I never got the title for the neck
BFA was awesome, anyone who says otherwise just has too many alts
The zones as well
15 hours a day
abuse early abuse often
New to server here. How do you guys feel about the recent patch?
6/10
Not enough swatters for All them Bugs
is slayer still viable in m+?
yes
No
Well fuck it then I'll take a 1.5% increase for 5k
after the changes, slayer and colossus still close or is colossus way above now?
Wouldn't say way above. More like comfortably
Slayer still good enough to play if you really hate Colo. Just know it's not gonna be better
if im playing slayer on chimaerus
do i still play crushing combo
thats what i see #2 log doing
Your build depends on your raid and how long those adds live
If its pugs youll most likely have 0 cleave cause everyone eats up the adds
Gotta trial and error that shit

ig ill see if they die before my bladestorm ends
if they do then i play the regular slayer build
if adds dont live for shit and the big add doesnt ever get close to the boss that you can sweep on it just go pure ST and vibe
Just dont waste your cs on a mob thats gonna live 1 more global
yeah, turned out I already use all crit gems
what are the two bis trinket to use in mythic+? gaze and plume?
yea they die before bladestorm ends lol
pretty much any combination of Gaze heart plume and guidon if you are colo will be good for M+
Hello ! When you cleave, how's your position ? in or in front of the pack ?
you want the pack totally in front of you
game.
i send all and go down 2nd
we BS ONLY DURING CS correct? meaning we hold until CS is ready, or we use on CD?
if you go down first hold
you should try too
im not sure what KEY thing im doing wrong but my dps seems straight pathetic
if you go down first you can send CS on pull. Just make sure to force spend rage if u need the cdr sometimes it can be tight
then i wont have it for the adds tho
How much dps % are we losing with the bug
u are not getting cs back in 10 seconds tf
1st set of adds is not 10 seconds into the fight
it's like 20 something sec no? you can just prio slam over op to ensure
20 sec is when the circle goes out
you dont really start hitting adds till like 25-28
if you are doing it right
wait for the big guy to come in
then blast lil boys
I just send my cds on pull and pray to god
Could also check lorrgs.io to see what other people are doing precisely and check the logs accordingly to see in which order they go down
i cannot check lorrgs.io
i am banned from lorrgs
How is that even possible ?
great q
im rage starving trying to get cs back up before adds
im still pressing ms on cd i assume
ofc
Unless it's somewhat region-locked, I don't how it's even possible to be 'banned' from a website that doesn't require any authentication
they can ban any ip they want
Bruh 4 M pieces for those who used dem cores 
used my voidcores on mythic gaze >
are yall running col or slayer in M+ or a bit of both
Colossus
trying to decide which of the two is better / easier to get good at since im going into higher keys. ( swapping from fury ) just looking for personal preferences
Ill say Fury still does good but everyone tells me Arms is insane. Maybe im just not as good at it but i dont see huge increases compared to fury m-thane
Arms does have a bug right now but Colossus is better than Slayer after the most recent patch
Maybe run Slayer on AA but I still wouldn't
I think Slayer is more fun to play but it's worse
colossus really benefits from adds on a boss. if your tanks are doing that id recommend that
if not you can still do pretty solid as colossus but slayer will have boss dam
On the target dummies im doing 30-40k dps LESS as colossus arms on 5 target cleave compared to Fury
Fury is pretty strong at those target counts but I assume if you are swapping you aren't geared for Arms either
colossus LOVES crit
Basically want crit on everything for colossus
I got 25% crit with mythic gaze and heart
I follow the exact recommended rotation and right around rend times out im out of rage with abilities on CD ( no movement ) ill keep working on getting more crit / haste gear first then try to make the switch for keys.
ty for advice
That's because you're on 5 target dummies
is mortal wounds just fully not working right now? We can just take another talent at the moment?
You don't really run out of rage on real aoe pulls in m+
Send no cds without cs
in dungs are we still using demo in CS ? feels wrong with the new cdr
just rip it, unless its like sub 5 on CS
i will never forgive tank players
fellas I haven't played that much arms this tier but am playing it while progging M Vanguard. I'm having issues with generating rage on pull, most pulls I can't afford to press cleave 3 times in a row. Is there something I'm missing or arms just like that?
just throw an overpower in there if ur starved
if your first auto gets immuned its rough
Are we bug fixed yet
hi, there is some bug with catalyst charges? i have all 4p and didnt drop on 25+ m+ while on my warlock i have like 7 of them
Its just rng
sadge them
Ive had the same thing happen
am i catalyzing these or leaving em like wowhead says is bis
Ur sinming
Any tips for H Midnight falls ? We're progging it
But maybe
Memory game addon
they are close simmed, didnt know if anyone knew how much a difference it made in ful biss
if its a tiny gain maybe just leave it for now
im dogass so me gaining 1 iq point will make a bigger difference than any piece of gear
will just leave then
just sim other upgrades with and without
i have boots and wrist with arcaneweave and weapon crafted, what do i craft next? ring?
Whatevers lowest ilvl
Id sim it in top gear
is the combo rings from xenas worth it?
I believe its bis for warr dps
Its simming best for me this whole season so i been running it
i already have the mastery ring just need the crit one so maybe i skip crafting ring
Gamba
bonus roll it ;)
Mortal wounds is working only the interaction with FOB slams not applying the bleed
maybe i will go after skyreach trinket but its simming worse for me
luckily got myth bis trinkets not long after
chimaerus only next week
got chest today
i should be next on myth heart
so only need gaze
ah that makes more sense, thanks for the help
in SKY, slayer still better?
can anyone take a quick peek at this and tell me why im doing so ass https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Th6AWxnLfH4V1kj8?fight=8&type=damage-done&source=11
my cds are all lining up
n im doing the only rotation i know
Between those 2, is there a big difference ?
If Iām not letting the sim dictate my life, what is best trinket to use for the most burst possible. Iām talking Drestagath 2.0
bro world ping still is fuckd for me wth
no
Cool, because i saw a lot of people craft the sword and i have Axe
Craft cheapest always
When upgrading both weapons to Heroic grade, is there a significant difference in DPS increase when ARMS WARRIOR equips a hammer instead of an axe? Or is it subtle?
How much damage loss in aoe with the bug?
Weapon type does not matter
only the stats
The literal only spec in modern wow weapon type matters for is outlaw
I believe it was qouted at 8%
Is it true that equipping a hammer increases damage?
read what I just said
The reason why garfrost's is bis over that is because of stats
Not because it's a hammer
bonks š
Does anyone know what this strange regirock pattern is behind my cd? this only happens on my warrior.
Then, roughly how much does the DPS increase?
ask raid bots.com
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot Because I don't know ur gear
The easiest way to use SimulationCraft. A resource for World of Warcraft players.
I mean
I'm also not a robot
1236 dps
could be anything tbh.
Best way to identify its source is to disable a handful of addons then /reload and see if it persists, repeating until you narrow down what's even causing it
you can also do /fstack and then hover over them, and it'll give you a huge list of code sources to give you a hint of what you're hovering over.
then just /fstack again to disable the on-hover stuff
Thanks, I will do that just figured it wouldn't hurt to ask the warriors since its only happening on this toon.
thing is, it doesnt always appear
For sure! But yeah that could be anything. Addon devs love to build weird trackers, and then they break after every major update
so tryingto replicate it with addons turned off seems a bit grueling but it is what it is lol
you can always hit training dummies in Silvermoon to see if you can proc them in a spot safe to do /fstack/hover
Good thinking, will do that!
here's what that looks like btw
does anyone have a mythic paladins pov I can watch, never really played arms before and I dont wanna grief
paladin?
anyway, i watched critcake and info guides from maddox and such to learn warrior, and im at a polint where i can sometimes do my own lil talents and still do good
Lightblinded Vanguard
OH,that's quite big
If ur raiding mythic probally chime or voracisus
arms is fairly simple and isnt as high apm as fury
i got vor trink
i did 2 PoS rolls then gonna roll chim(i held last weeks vault so i have 4)
now that's gaming the system
archi's warrior guide are also pretty good :D
its another place i good my start as arms
#goated
also, is it just me or are the sound effects for arms broken
No
this has been reported by many people
hugeee
I think it might also be on other classes. It's just a really weird bug

