That needs 2 die
#arms
rancid willow
Struggling with going back to Arms after fury for the past month+
The lack of self heals on arms if driving me nuts on the solo content like maxed out ritual sites.
slow saddle
Y solo content is for fury
U could talent into second wind
And then dbts + stanlock after for free health regen
rancid willow
Yeah it’s still so much less “tanky” overall
slow saddle
I mean its not to bad
rancid willow
Like I gotta pop a major defensive just to survive even at 270 ilvl
sweet holly
hey guys, what exactly is buggt right now? i didnt find out in the previous messages here 😄
slow saddle
Like I gotta pop a major defensive just to survive even at 270 ilvl
No way
Just iv?
Its same as fury?
Go as col and just nuke? If its aoe
silk zealot
Hey guys, quick question, how do i know if im receiving diminishing returns from my stats like crit or haste on my warr? is there a soft cap for each or anything taht can give me more data?
slow saddle
Remember when it didnt use the hs.proc🤣
slow saddle
Hey guys, quick question, how do i know if im receiving diminishing returns from...
No
Sim it
ionic mica
Hey guys, quick question, how do i know if im receiving diminishing returns from...
There's an addon called truestats but it's more for curiosity than anything important. Sims know about diminishing returns
slow saddle
There is not any other solution
ionic mica
There are no soft caps it's just sim and see what it says
slow saddle
U dont sim stat weights
sweet holly
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i see, so what are we talking about Raid dmg, do we lose rn more than 5% dmg overall or its just smaller than 1%?
strange comet
It should only really be an issue on paladins, don't really use cleave otherwise
gusty oxide
So, Heroic strike is now that jump attack animation, why not.
thorn stream
strange comet
M+ is getting the worst of that bug though
sweet holly
kk, so just if u play with cleave u got effected by this bleed-bug from MS
frigid jewel
Yes
loud mauve
quick stupid question - does anything at all in warrior's kit frees us from the sacrificial piedistal in Caverns?
I thought talented BR will, but it doesn't
plucky fern
demolish or bladestorm if timed correctly
frigid jewel
Never tried. Bladestorm maybe?
plucky fern
you need stun immunity
loud mauve
it's a stun?
plucky fern
human racial or meld works too
its not, but for some reason stun immunities free you from it
classic monkey code from blizzard
loud mauve
oh, that's great to know, thanks!
plucky fern
with demolish its kinda hard to time though
you have be in demolish animation the moment it casts
probably not worth bothering
loud mauve
yeah sacrificing your damage for timing demolish with the cast seems dumb
feral breach
plucky fern
idk i've never been slayer in caverns
plucky fern
i assume it would work
since freedom effects do work
usually in my group monk tank just uses tiger lust on people and it removes chains
frigid jewel
That is good to know, i had zero idea the game coded it as a stun
vast hinge
do we just do terribly with a Aug?
Was in a group with a assassin rogue and Aug, bosses took 5 min at 17 keys lol
plucky fern
well i might be wrong on the stun part
technically both bladestorm and demolish say 'cannot be crowd controlled' or something like that 
I just know for sure that both bs and demolish can avoid it
plucky fern
do we just do terribly with a Aug?
every time im with aug in party my overall dps barely changes
might be just terrible aug players though
flat willow
yes
late lantern
what does resonant voice do exactly?
dim basalt
what does resonant voice do exactly?
Nothing useful
fervent cedar
is slayer now less viable compared to colossus than before?
You can still play it if you want
mortal rivet
Slayer does some burst damage now so thats nice
late lantern
then why are so many high io ppl playing it?
mortal rivet
Less reliant on tanks
dim basalt
then why are so many high io ppl playing it?
Cuz of Stance Mastery
fervent cedar
then why are so many high io ppl playing it?
Its easier
And yeah less reliant on tanks too
shadow osprey
Because if your tank is a troll and moves the adds out of demolish or doesnt pull adds with the boss you're gonna get shafted
sudden owl
if we coin a 10 vs a 12 does it change the ilvl at all?
mortal rivet
No
fervent cedar
if we coin a 10 vs a 12 does it change the ilvl at all?
No
shadow osprey
No its based off of the vault level
surreal spade
the hiting sound still bugged? lol
shadow osprey
the hiting sound still bugged? lol
Has it been bugged? I thought it was just me. I asked about that yesterday and no one responded 
daring pagoda
I got pit neck as my only good vault item this week, but not an immediate upgrade due to myth crests. I rolled chest and cloak from pit with rerolls. Would you take neck anyway, take a reroll for pit for neck, ring, weapon to avoid a neck dupe in future weeks, or take a socket knowing you're rolling pit the next few weeks anyway?
shadow osprey
I'd take the socket/extra reroll personally because chances are you are going to get it again if you are sending rerolls there
daring pagoda
not on new rolls, but it doesn't care if you rolled before the bug fix
wind hatch
in that you can get duplicates?
they made a blue post saying they fixed it
late lantern
when was the bug fix?
shadow osprey
They "fixed it" but based on their language you are screwed if you sent before because they arent retro subtracting the stuff you already rolled
Last night
Late
wind hatch
^
nova briar
What are the bis trinkets for arms? Currently got 276 prism, heart and gaze.Which should i run?
late lantern
i rolled 17:46
daring pagoda
I'm leaning towards socket, another reroll could still give me 0 upgrade this week
wind hatch
What are the bis trinkets for arms? Currently got 276 prism, heart and gaze.Whic...
heart and gaze will most likely be best for you
sim it though
wind hatch
I'm leaning towards socket, another reroll could still give me 0 upgrade this we...
if you have a myth piece or crafted bracers i would probably take the socket
wraith scaffold
Do we have any talent changes with latest patch?
plucky fern
then why are so many high io ppl playing it?
it actually has nothing to do with tanks or stance mastery, you can outplay stupid tanks and you can pick stance mastery in colossus its not a big problem
the real reason is just a lot of player simply like slayer and hate demolish
never understood it though
having to look at an unskippable cutscene for 3 seconds is much more frustrating for me than positioning for demolish
wind hatch
Do we have any talent changes with latest patch?
no
granite swift
it actually has nothing to do with tanks or stance mastery, you can outplay stup...
i like colossus but slayer feels way more fluid have to admit, i can see why its liked more
kind stag
also you dont care about rend and you are only rage starved in execute
plucky fern
well if we talk about actually trying to perform then you do care about rend in both hero talents
umbral gyro
Yo guys. I think its time to reroll from unholy to arms after years of bugs... Hello
ashen trout
Is the cleave slam not deep wounding bug still going or did they fix it?
umbral gyro
Is the cleave slam not deep wounding bug still going or did they fix it?
Fck. Arms also got bugs???
nova briar
heart and gaze will most likely be best for you
seems weird, prism sims better
umbral gyro
Ok better time to search new game instead of New class
nova marsh
Fck. Arms also got bugs???
Bro even outlaw is bugged this week
plucky fern
Ok better time to search new game instead of New class
big true
umbral gyro
🤷♂️😵💫
zenith warren
do you guys sim actually higher than thane on st as slayer?
clever crag
Almost
jade ember
Never found another MMO that scratches the WoW itch
clever crag
2k difference
zenith warren
-2k for me but im heavy mastery now
jade ember
So it would be nice if they would stop pooping the bed
clever crag
Never found another MMO that scratches the WoW itch
GW2 does in pvp
But not pve
FFXIV has better raids imo
But no m+
so WoW is just full package
late lantern
it actually has nothing to do with tanks or stance mastery, you can outplay stup...
but why does stance mastery make the difference in this?
zenith warren
btw eyes of the eagle should stack with tauren passive, right?
jade ember
Yeah I care about a bunch of other stuff too tho like collecting. I even kinda like housing.
umbral gyro
I like the arms community. You guys are chill
indigo quail
Housing is fun
clever crag
I love housing tbh
plucky fern
but why does stance mastery make the difference in this?
i guess because picking stance mastery does lower your ST dps a little, and colo has real problems with st so you kinda dont want to do that, but people still do because it really doesnt matter you do tank damage anyway with or without it
clever crag
Just constantly putting more little shit in my house
jade ember
Yea hard to hate on any system that lets people be that creative
indigo quail
I put half my house undergroound covered the roof with rocks grass and a statue
And put a tent and a fire on the plot
clever crag
Its good how you can just keep adding rooms
nova marsh
Both got warrior kek
Not 14, dont tell people to go to tank jail
Gw2 is pretty good thou
jade ember
One of my friends made his house a dungeon and deleted his front door so you have to teleport to get out lol
indigo quail
Lmao
clever crag
Not 14, dont tell people to go to tank jail
14 warriors is fun tho
Big dmg
Nice animations
clever crag
Oof
nova marsh
One of the only paladins I like
clever crag
I played DRK and war mostly
kind stag
i dont count lost ark warriors because krpgs all got giga visuals and are over the top
nova marsh
berserker warrior in gw2 is peak warrior fantasy
As long as you dont play the boon build
Actually dual axes is super fun
kind stag
warriors can be spellbreakers there too
why cant we be here
spellbreakers are in lore
icy mulch
berserker warrior in gw2 is peak warrior fantasy
I use to love greatsword warrior back in the day.
indigo quail
Who remembers Wildstar chat
Ah i loved wildstar
kind stag
berserk level
nova marsh
Arc divider is great
nova marsh
Its rampagers cooler brother
kind stag
ok arms nerfed now
indigo quail
Also played warhammer online, Swordmaster a lot
kind stag
ok can they buff fury st thooooo
indigo quail
ok arms nerfed now
kind stag
legendaries changing the trails on attacks in gw2 rocks
i have Twilight legendary greatsword and dang is it cool on warrior
bangs
ebon rock
seems weird, prism sims better
Gaze was like 50+ dps increase for me compared to Prism. Dunno why everyone freaking out about Gaze, it sims pretty ass for me like it’s not a Big deal
rose ibex
Yeah it didnt seem that crazy but I picked it from my vault anyways
kind stag
but raw secondary stats do wonders for arms
olive nest
Eyes of the Eagle Ring Enchants Buffed in Patch 12.0.5. real arms buff
Wait actually!?
kind stag
yeh
minor gust
The ring enchant was good for both
neon dome
Did this use to be 3? Am I going insane? Did I miss this change on a wowhead post?
kind stag
yes its 2 now
wind hatch
Did this use to be 3? Am I going insane? Did I miss this change on a wowhead pos...
yes it got nerfed to 2
low crystal
Did this use to be 3? Am I going insane? Did I miss this change on a wowhead pos...
It did, but it’s 2 now
neon dome
rippers
wind hatch
doont worry they will surely fix the deep wounds bug soon
icy mulch
Ah i loved wildstar
Oh wow, it's been awhile since I heard anyone mention Wildstar. It was really fun until end game. Then it was only PVP that was good.
wind hatch
I tried 2T slayer dragons
i tried slayer as well last night but colo pumps way harder
got 190k on colo
slayer just feels bad on that fight
olive nest
It really does
minor gust
Even if u just wanted boss dmg and ignore orbs Colo would still be better because it's the better 2T spec
wind hatch
i like how rank 8 is 96
olive nest
Well yeah theres about 100 of us killing mythic bosses past first 2 lmao
wind hatch
Well yeah theres about 100 of us killing mythic bosses past first 2 lmao
the bright side is that i cheesed 2 100's after the reset
on reclear
raiding tuesday is op
olive nest
Tuesday raiding on patch day ez game
olive nest
Even if u just wanted boss dmg and ignore orbs Colo would still be better becaus...
I know it’s just weird that the stronger 1T spec with 100% sweep damage isn’t also the best 2T spec
minor gust
CM stacks goes hard
wind hatch
I know it’s just weird that the stronger 1T spec with 100% sweep damage isn’t al...
yeah lol
olive nest
It really do
inner yarrow
Can confirm switching to female orc fixed the sound issues for me
ashen trout
Anyone know if there’s a way to unfuck the cdm audio alerts? It’s been super weird this patch lol
candid kindle
Can confirm switching to female orc fixed the sound issues for me
Mogs look better on female orc anyways so win/win
kind stag
real
candid kindle
100% would look better on female orc
Male orcs are so ugly
Fucking hunched green dwarfs
flat willow
ITS A ROBOT
reef glade
Can make em not hunched then it’d be chill
candid kindle
Can make em not hunched then it’d be chill
Then they look like a draenei
flat willow
yeah but they forgot to add not hunched animations
candid kindle
Orc males design is just bad
reef glade
Do you see hooves down there
candid kindle
Needs rework
chilly hearth
doont worry they will surely fix the deep wounds bug soon
"It was working as intended, we Just forgot to put It on the patch note"
flat willow
I will not listen to any criticism
molten glacier
Our bleed bug is a huge dps los?
rose ibex
but I just made my decepticon mog
Sick tmog
rose ibex
Also sick
inner yarrow
This is me now
rose ibex
Great tmog
inner yarrow
Thanks. I liked my broad shoulders but I like having sound effects more lol.
slender sonnet
spent both my bonus rolls in pit, can't complain too much I suppose
got head and ring
acoustic mortar
bug still not fixed ?
dim basalt
no
acoustic mortar
gg
slender sonnet
I thought it was
plush elbow
Anyone ever use noxxic for sims? any opinions on that site versus like a raidbots or something
dense siren
what bug
sturdy matrix
dense siren
oh damn
steep tree
https://x.com/i/status/2047314722991853951 ooo what dis i want big ilevel too
X
shy dew
https://x.com/i/status/2047314722991853951 ooo what dis i want big ilevel too
this is for pvp trinkets/weapons
shy dew
for pve only next week
steep tree
yippeeee
is it void forge related
and if yes um how many times do i gotta do that quest i am on fifth going to sixth soon
storm pendant
Anyone else having zero sound for ability q's, animations, and dps number lag on arms? Its so so bad for me and honestly makes it zero fun and unplayable... my DK or DH have no issues like this at all? Any thoughts?
plain violet
yeah it's cooked
warped spade
Anyone ever use noxxic for sims? any opinions on that site versus like a raidbot...
should be the same if they use default APL. both run off of simc, just different user interface
slow saddle
Only for orcs
flat willow
you can swap to fem orc for free
warped spade
Anyone else having zero sound for ability q's, animations, and dps number lag on...
download BugSack and BugGrabber
you probably have an addon spitting out errors..
I had over 250k errors last night, one failing @ 10/sec because of styling but It displayed the useful info anyways so I didnt care
storm pendant
thanks man.. but yeah I have those both DL but keep getting the bullshit was seeing if I was the only one with these issues too
slow saddle
I mean fr though
plain violet
What is the consensus on the Eyes of the Eagle enchant? Apparently it's been buffed from 1.25% to 2% Crit effectiveness. Has it or will it overtake the crit chance ring enchant for Colossus? I imagine it could be pretty good at 40% crit or more.
slow saddle
Have u checked sound channels
slow saddle
What is the consensus on the Eyes of the Eagle enchant? Apparently it's been buf...
It was best b4 buff
plain violet
oh really
wind hatch
yeah eyes of the eagle is simming highest for everyone
vagrant hull
Man I did a Seat as slayer last night and did abysmal damage. Is the m+ build from wowhead updated?
immediately went back to Col
plain violet
some guides recommend the raw crit, but i imagine those are just generic prios, i at sitting at 36% crit right now i should definitely swap enchants
wind hatch
the guides also recommend simming everything
but i think archi should probably update those
vagrant hull
I did the prop hunt decor thing and it was kind of dumb
scenic cedar
wowhead guide was updated at 2026/04/21. And i see this rotation for AOE.
its right rotation? we still use "Demolish during Colossus Smash" ? after 12.0.5 and 2->5 sec cooldown changes?
wind hatch
Decor duels
🔥
plain violet
Atleast we didn't get obliterated like mm did
plucky fern
Decor duels
yep, decor duel plus a billion of useless solo content that noone asked for
plucky fern
like preys and delves wasnt enough, they added one more i dont even remember the name of this nonsence i didnt even touch it
wind hatch
wowhead guide was updated at 2026/04/21. And i see this rotation for AOE.
its ri...
demolish also applies a debuff to enemies that makes you deal more damage to them, overlapping that with CS is very valuable
you can send it on cd if you want though, the loss is very negligible
lunar idol
wowhead guide was updated at 2026/04/21. And i see this rotation for AOE.
its ri...
I use demolish on CD now in M+
slow saddle
like preys and delves wasnt enough, they added one more i dont even remember the...
I mean preys were fine imho
vagrant hull
I only hold it if CS Is within like 5sec
slow saddle
But tuning st is like a minimum
native niche
wowhead guide was updated at 2026/04/21. And i see this rotation for AOE.
its ri...
You send it on CD in aoe and line it up with CS on ST
warped spade
But tuning st is like a minimum
I like being fully stacked in an m+ dungeon, charge -> rend -> CDs -> CS -> demolish -> MS -> look at meters : 65kdps
slow saddle
Felt bigger thohgh
scenic cedar
I use demolish on CD now in M+
me too. and i feel not good when i should use it on 3-4 targets. But if I don't use it right now, I might lose DPS — or maybe not. Anyway, with the cooldown going from 2 to 5 seconds, the gameplay is starting to feel like Fury. 12.0.5 not good for me
warped spade
bear druid is bursting higher 
slow saddle
bear druid is bursting higher <:sadge:820202363359854633>
In st
dim lotus
So slayer is ded now in m+ and raid or whaaa
wind hatch
So slayer is ded now in m+ and raid or whaaa
slayer is still played in raid on most fights
forest dove
yeah like, colossus doesn't have great ST, but our ST is at least useful now. I think I'm relatively okay with that tbh, given that we're aoe lords
forest dove
So slayer is ded now in m+ and raid or whaaa
remember that slayer did technically get a small st buff. definitely not dead in raid, but the aoe nerf definitely made it less of a choice in m+
dim lotus
Fugggggggg
plucky fern
colo st is still trash but at least now we can beat tanks on pure st
not sure about bear tho
scenic cedar
is bugged? or how should work cleave 3+ targets -> slam->deep wounds?
warped owl
It’s bugged and doesn’t apply deep wounds currently
rose ibex
Bladestorm is pretty strong which makes the aoe nerf more even
Both specs basically got an aoe nerf with the crushing combo nerf, but got compensatory buffs
rose ibex
yeah like, colossus doesn't have great ST, but our ST is at least useful now. I...
Im not sure if it really did
olive nest
Well isn’t that if the slam/heroic strike crits it doesn’t apply deep wounds
rose ibex
Ms doesnt proc reap anymore
plucky fern
Both specs basically got an aoe nerf with the crushing combo nerf, but got compe...
colo got 2% nerf and was already like 15% ahead than slayer
slayer got 8% nerf
everyone who thinks slayer in m+ is fine is coping real hard
rose ibex
Well isn’t that if the slam/heroic strike *crits* it doesn’t apply deep wounds
It is currently bugged where the crits do not cause the bleed i believe
olive nest
Ye
rose ibex
colo got 2% nerf and was already like 15% ahead than slayer
slayer got 8% nerf
e...
I think the consideration between the two is more rooted in damage profiles
Slayer is more flexible and performs better with "bad pulls"
plucky fern
the only valid reason to play slayer in m+ is if you really like it
after the patch i cant see a single dungeon where slayer will perform better
rose ibex
Clarms excels when the tank is coordinating well with dps cooldowns and is pulling packs into bosses and stuff
urban fjord
the only valid reason to play slayer in m+ is if you really like it
after the pa...
i need to do some testing but i think AA might be the only slayer key i run anymore
and even then need to feelycraft how much time is lost on trash now compared to colossus
rose ibex
Ill say i did skyreach last night on slayer and I definitely felt a damage loss
pulsar frost
am about to run a skyreach
plucky fern
biz recently did 20 aa with colo
he switched two talents for more st and was doing like 90k on last boss
pulsar frost
should i be col?
urban fjord
biz recently did 20 aa with colo
he switched two talents for more st and was doi...
ill just check his rio and swap to those for SR and AA then
colossus forever
heavy pewter
biz recently did 20 aa with colo
he switched two talents for more st and was doi...
Yeeeah, but using one of the best as the standard is a little silly, no?
Slayer is much more simple, and doesnt' require the tank to know how to pull certain pulls in dungeons like Colo.
plucky fern
its just drop mass execution + ss talent for MP
I was trying this before 12.0.5 but didnt feel impactful enough
will give it a go as well when i run skyreach/aa next time
plucky fern
Yeeeah, but using one of the best as the standard is a little silly, no?
Slaye...
why do people complain about tanks that much
rose ibex
biz recently did 20 aa with colo
he switched two talents for more st and was doi...
Biz is also inhumanly skilled with arms
plucky fern
once you get used to demolish you literally dont care if they move a pack
just jump man
you can use leap when casting demo
you just need to be near pack when animation finishes
sacred zodiac
once you get used to demolish you literally dont care if they move a pack
grouping and movement is not what they complain abt ye
plucky fern
whats the issue with tanks then?
heavy pewter
why do people complain about tanks that much
I'm not complaining. But pulls matter for Arms dps, and even more so for Colo. Slayer eliminates some of that rng is all I was saying.
sacred zodiac
pull pace, size, whether they pull funnel onto bosses etc
slender sonnet
Me when the many brew masters ring of peace in the middle of my demolish cast
the reason why I refuse to play with brewmaster
minor gust
Well they are everywhere cuz it's "meta"
rose ibex
whats the issue with tanks then?
Some tanks need to move a lot mroe than others. I think brew is the only who who can straight face tank everything
But maybe paladins are just like that
Wigglers
minor gust
You never know with pug tanks and pugs in general I've had groups where the issue was frequent movement and splitting up packs because of it
Which made it much more difficult to cleave and demolish everything
rose ibex
I get robbed of my cleaves and demos all the time. It can be frustrating
Mobs running around chasing tank
olive nest
Start looking for bear and ww so you can dodge the fotm players
plucky fern
i mean all those issues with stupid tanks also hurt slayer
rose ibex
Easier to spin
minor gust
i mean all those issues with stupid tanks also hurt slayer
Nowhere near as much as it does colo
rose ibex
Nah spinning is way more mobile and easier to line up damage
plucky fern
if brew rings when you are trying to bladestorm and you are hitting like 30% of a pack max is the same as missing demolish
minor gust
BS aoe is pretty big
heavy pewter
i mean all those issues with stupid tanks also hurt slayer
Sure, just not as egregiously, which is the point I think folks are getting at with Slayer spec.
minor gust
I can still usually spin on all mobs
rose ibex
Bs aoe is massive
surreal spade
my simms says the plume is better than the gaze, can i trust?
olive nest
Very likely to be possible yes
rose ibex
I did feel my damage was worse in skyreach but skyreach has pretty small pulls compared to other dungeons
minor gust
There's some valid reasons for people to enjoy and prefer slayer over colo in a pugging environment despite it doing less dmg
plucky fern
gaze is a bait im simming trinkets regularly and ive never seen gaze simming better than crit trinkets for me
rose ibex
So BS buffs have less value there I think
rose ibex
gaze is a bait im simming trinkets regularly and ive never seen gaze simming bet...
Yeah i dunno. The windrunner banner was simming better than gaze for me
rare kite
gaze is a bait im simming trinkets regularly and ive never seen gaze simming bet...
it simmed higher for me everytime until this week. now plume sims higher
rose ibex
I was conflicted but took gaze from vault anyways
inner panther
Is crucible as good as it sims or is it bait? I have maxed out hc prism and heart and it tells me the 263 coee is better than 276 prism
inner panther
Just mad it sims better than almost everything short of myth track stuff
plucky fern
yeah if crusible would be possible to get as a hero track i think it would beat any hero trinket
minor gust
Plume heart and gaze are pretty much equal to each other and will depend on character
rose ibex
Its simming better than gaze
wind hatch
Its simming better than gaze
myth vs hero?
plucky fern
i think gaze only starts to sim good at insane crit levels, like closer to bis gear
rose ibex
This is a hero gaze
rose ibex
i think gaze only starts to sim good at insane crit levels, like closer to bis g...
Maybe the case. I definitely need to clean up my gear a bit
Only 32% crit atm
I have way too much mastery and im chained to a pair of myth set gloves
Which have mastery and verse. Yucky
craggy rover
any1 got a macro to switch stances?
minor gust
Slayer after enough Crit wants more haste mastery
rose ibex
I think im
32% crit
21% haste
20% mastery
minor gust
Slayer stop wanting Crit for me around 33-35% and then wanted more mastery haste
I'm at like 20% mast
sudden owl
u prob have too much mastery and not enough crit if gaze isn't your second best trinket
Still says it's gaze + heart for me
plucky fern
im at 36 crit flasked and sim starts to act wierdly on ST
windrunned trinket with haste proc suddenly starts to sim well
rose ibex
I am annoyed that this banner is simming better than gaze, though it was a myth trinket
Its a small difference, and I figured its because the banner is pure single target
sudden owl
is the gaze heroic and banner mythic
rose ibex
Yeah
Hoping to do mythic bird dog or mythic vorrassius this weekend and see if I get lucky
minor gust
Banner is good for pure ST which isn't important this tier
rose ibex
Ok. I think i made the right choice with gaze then
sacred summit
how much of a dps loss is the bug currently
dim basalt
There are tanks who still dont add funnel in a +18 seat
Ridiculous
Imagine having Arms + Ret + Aug and pulling that move
sacred summit
Banner is good for pure ST which isn't important this tier
but doesnt everyone say sim st not* aoe
rose ibex
Bleh. Maybe i should just use my rolls on pit and get some extra myth gear and maybe garfrost hammer
plucky fern
but doesnt everyone say sim st not* aoe
its generally true but there are some exceptions
like you really cant wear a single target damage proc trinket in m+ when it does literally nothing for 80% of the dungeon
wintry scroll
guys for maisara 15 do i play colossussy or slyaer ?
strange comet
Col especially if tank funnels the UN killable adds on boss 2
rose ibex
its generally true but there are some exceptions
like you really cant wear a sin...
Yeah. Banner is a trap
Tricksy banner
plucky fern
if yo usuck at colo still go colo
probably will do more damage in caverns anyway
rose ibex
Fooling my sims
sacred summit
its generally true but there are some exceptions
like you really cant wear a sin...
true
plucky fern
this dungeon has almost no single target enounters
literally only 2nd boss if tank doesnt pull funnel
rose ibex
I need to test more
wintry scroll
if you are equally good on both probably colo
i m good at both i just never did maisara on arms
rose ibex
Work has been kicking my ass. Ive only had time for two dungeons since patch aside from a few pug raids
sacred summit
anyone know what the -% is with the fov crit bug
dim basalt
anyone know what the -% is with the fov crit bug
about 5%
full obsidian
windrose been kickikn my ass and work will soon too
sacred summit
so decent but not terrible
plucky fern
anyone know what the -% is with the fov crit bug
didnt see any number but i wouldnt say its a lot
full obsidian
hope i can do a few dungeons
plucky fern
like how much damage can you lose from not having extra deep wounds on 2 targets
if i had to guess its 3% dmg loss maximum
lower on higher pull counts
sacred summit
gotcha
rose ibex
Does the deep wounds bleed 'ignite' like sv hunter bombs?
Where previous instances of the dot get thrown into the total of the next application?
minor gust
but doesnt everyone say sim st not* aoe
Well but you gotta take other things into consideration. If this trinket is only pure ST then it's gonna lose to everything else the moment a 2nd target appears. Which is very frequent in this raid
dire hinge
Where previous instances of the dot get thrown into the total of the next applic...
Pandemic*
And yes almost all DoTs in WoW work that way
Usually under 30% duration, but deep wounds is 100%
rare kite
Pandemic*
And yes almost all DoTs in WoW work that way
it's not pandemic. pandemic is a different thing
unreal mountain
@plucky fern which talents he took for ST?
plucky fern
overpowering finish + martial prowess
removed mass execution and 25% extra sweeping talent
dont remember the name
unreal mountain
@plucky fern ah yes makes sense to me and also gives Better Prio damage
@plucky fern how did he perform
plucky fern
well he gapped everyone else by 20% but thats biz he always does that
guy is a monster
dire hinge
Ah yup I misspoke ty. Increases total damage (ignite) not duration (pandemic)
rare kite
yessir
unreal mountain
haha thats true but i was think about that too cause we got allready good aoe and would make sense to pick up more ST
specially overpowering finish buffs aoe and ST
rose ibex
Pandemic*
And yes almost all DoTs in WoW work that way
Oh sv hunter bombs actually add the whole dot into the next application kinda like how devouring plague works or whatever with spriest
You can chuck bombs without a thought
forest igloo
Question , I feel like im doing low opener dmg. Is it better to smash demolish even on 4 stacks on pack pull at start ? Or stack as much then use all cds ?
rose ibex
or do i will just enchant crit %
It simmed better than other enchants
Slapped those enchants on my rings ez pz
wintry scroll
how much of dmmg loss is it to take off this and get the silence on throw
inner panther
How hard is belo myth since nerfs? Still giga?
winged phoenix
Been fucking up my rotation from it it's so bizarre
wintry scroll
is it demolish on cd now
on pull ?
or still cleave higher prio after using cs and ravager
and no stacks of demolish
minor gust
does the ring enchant buff make it good
It's been good for awhile now.
chilly isle
Guys, do yourself a favor and ask Gemini what you have to do to be top dps on the mythic raid boss you are currently progressing on
The comedy is 11/10
Im progressing Cosmos and me and some guildies are meming asking AI what to do to improve. This is a part of the answer it gave to me
minor gust
Question , I feel like im doing low opener dmg. Is it better to smash demolish e...
Realistically you should be building stacks as the tank gathers, but if you have none and you are opening on a back it's better to get get your 3 cleaves + and MS first before you send demolish. You don't need max stacks especially with 12.05 changes just better to get on cooldown
chilly isle
If i time avatar + colossus smash in the vulnerability window and hit 3 targets with executioners precision my dps will spike to millions
rose ibex
is it demolish on cd now
Dps difference is very minor. Send it!
wind hatch
Im progressing Cosmos and me and some guildies are meming asking AI what to do t...
Guess I'm just playing wrong then
chilly isle
According to Gemini, we all are
"Looking at many 2026 Warrior logs, "Average" Warriors are over-using Slam/Whirlpool "
Fucking whirlpool
Gonna ask our mt to not move Alleria for 6 seconds while im bladstorming
Because if he does the pull is a wash
dim basalt
queen garden
So considering how fast we getting demolish back are we kinda sending it on cd now? Like lets assume im 10 stacks capped with cd ready and 15-20 sec away from CS
minor gust
I can't move sorry I am in bladestorm
dim basalt
+18 Seat timed, just MC and NPX left 
minor gust
dim basalt
NPX will be a nightmare though
Because fotm monks think they can just do a stupidly big pull left side with 3 melees
lolz
minor gust
If your worried slayer angle it and just be ready with like 3 different ways to get the circle off you
dim basalt
If anything I prob drop momentum and mass execution for better ST
Circles are never a problem, at least not in my failed runs
minor gust
Assumed that's what it was when you said 3 melee
dim basalt
Nah, just lots of casters standing in void
And tank often not kiting properly so we cant hit mobs
urban fjord
every 18 NXP i failed until i got it was people dying to stupid shit
dim basalt
I dropped it for Stance Mastery yesterday
but ig for that one dungeon I should swap back
urban fjord
stance mastery is a livelord talent
dim basalt
Dont need it in NPX tho
urban fjord
ye i agree im just lazy
minor gust
but ig for that one dungeon I should swap back
Would be worth yeah there's not really any one shots to be worried about in npx
minor gust
Yes
brazen sun
dim basalt
We have so many high key pushers here I noticed
last mulch
How do you chooose between Colossus and Slayer?
charred brook
Fight profile
last mulch
Seat?
charred brook
Col
last mulch
More adds?
charred brook
Lot of factors tbh
rose matrix
Basically just send Colossus on all of them
dim basalt
You can play col in every dungeon atp
dim basalt
AA is fine if you drop some talents for better ST
minor gust
Both specs still own both can be played in every dung
Follow your heart
If you wanna follow what's best it's Colo at this point
kind stag
✅
minor gust
Its prob only about 3-4% overall loss
rose ibex
I still think reap being removed from MS is lame
minor gust
Not thatttty big of a deal
rose matrix
I'm honestly just scared they won't fix it for a while
kind stag
they wont
rose matrix
Tbf it is 3-4% in a very important type of damage
minor gust
Which is likely they wont
rose ibex
Our bugs werent even included in the big ol list of bugs wowhead pointed out
minor gust
You still do very strong prio/funnel even with the bug
It just sucks to do less dmg cuz a bug tho I feel that
rose ibex
We still looking strong in warcraft logs
rose matrix
Yeah we are still good but it feels bad just missing that damage for nothing at all
rose ibex
Yeah :/
winged phoenix
What bug do we have?
rose ibex
Fervor of battle slams arent triggering bleeds on crit
I guess that is more significant when HS crits
winged phoenix
Damn
rose ibex
Yeah. I hear the whole housing system is borked
grim oasis
rdruid has had some bugs last since tww though so goodluck 
rose ibex
Unholy and devourer are an absolute mess
soft peak
guys, is better to craft weapon first or cloak or wrist?
rose ibex
Weapon is prio but you can fish for a mythic weapon with bonus rolls now
soft peak
hm, im new
quartz wharf
any1 experiencing similar issue with Heroic Might being inactive and impossible to track?
soft peak
i started playing a few days ago, i ve been playing tbc
balmy kindle
btw anyone getting insane sims from eyes of the eagle ? its like 3% up
soft peak
and i dont know every thing yet
kind stag
btw anyone getting insane sims from eyes of the eagle ? its like 3% up
it got buffed
balmy kindle
do i trust the robot sims ?
wind hatch
yes
kind stag
yes
balmy kindle
o7
rose ibex
and i dont know every thing yet
Ahhhh. What keys are you doing?
rose ibex
Yeah you got a ways to go
Good! More content
I wouldnt craft anything until you get your hands on some myth crests
Just keep chugging along gearing up
soft peak
but weapon is very good no? 276 ilv
wind hatch
if you have the gold you can craft without crests now and recraft later
rose ibex
Nah dude. Save your sparks
soft peak
if you have the gold you can craft without crests now and recraft later
what you mean?
wind hatch
i wouldnt use hero crests on something that you're planning to craft at myth anyway
rose ibex
I think hero stuff starts dropping at 6+
wind hatch
what you mean?
you can recraft crafted items with crests to craft them at a higher item level without using additional sparks
rose ibex
So you can just spam those until you get full hero
minor gust
Man how many people just never simmed the eyes of the eagle ring enchant. Constantly see people asking about it now
It's been good for awhile now
stiff fjord
are sims working okay? Heroic gaze is less dps than champion heart on my sim which does not compute
soft peak
this is my inv for now
dire hinge
Man how many people just never simmed the eyes of the eagle ring enchant. Consta...
Yeah I just used whatever was on our APL sims tbh
minor gust
are sims working okay? Heroic gaze is less dps than champion heart on my sim whi...
Nothing wrong with Sims. Your Character just wants more crit
rose ibex
It's been good for awhile now
People just do what wowhead and icy veins say
stiff fjord
Nothing wrong with Sims. Your Character just wants more crit
okay mate, thank you
minor gust
Yeah I just used whatever was on our APL sims tbh
Was like 6 weeks ago I just did the ol all ring enchants Sims and eagle was by far the best
dire hinge
Biggest reason i specced into rings enchants, everybody needs two of em
minor gust
I never touch professions besides alchemy to get extended flask duration
Really all one needs
rose ibex
One day engineering will be fun and good
I might be dead by then tho
Still worth it for the mounts
slow saddle
I never touch professions besides alchemy to get extended flask duration
Ill have u know my proffeions have solidly
Cost me gold so fae
Hopefully in an entire expansion ill hit net zero
winged phoenix
God this class sounds so quiet now when I hit abilities, this sucksss
frosty dock
Has anyone else noticed sudden death is refreshing the cooldown of execute
nova marsh
Has anyone else noticed sudden death is refreshing the cooldown of execute
It's suppose to?
oh wait
frosty dock
on fury/prot
nova marsh
Nevermind
frosty dock
not arms
hasty pumice
🙏 fuck academy
nova marsh
I mean I imagine it's coded the same
It's just never been relevant for arms really because you didn't play without improved exe until like....TWW at least
minor gust
Has anyone else noticed sudden death is refreshing the cooldown of execute
Yeah that's been a thing since TWW nothing new
mortal crag
88 log on dragons
sad
i greedied 2-3 demolishes and missed orb spawns by legit 2s
tried to send an extra
mortal crag
🙏 fuck academy
timed 20mt today, so ur one step further again
hasty pumice
timed 20mt today, so ur one step further again
You don't want to make me angry... don't get on my bad side...
😈
nova marsh
academy in pugs is always fucking dogshit
hasty pumice
i hate you
mortal crag
hasty pumice
mortal crag
benched on paladins again
eta gg
they wanna kill it "as soon as possible"
since iw asnt on kill last week
hasty pumice
benched on paladins again
how are you benched as arms
minor gust
🙏 fuck academy
Also Phil you own
last mulch
Why sometimes i get 2 COllateral stacks from a single ability?¡
rare kite
Why sometimes i get 2 COllateral stacks from a single ability?¡
is that ability demolish? if so it's coz it hits twice
minor gust
yeah my DPS is a bit lackluster on some 19s cause I'm playing too safely
I'm still just playing slayer without a single care in the world
Don't need to play safe I'm always safe
hasty pumice
I'm still just playing slayer without a single care in the world
its still more fun tbh though im getting arround on col
without shaman its just a pain occasionally
and if you die you feel fucking horrible
last mulch
is that ability demolish? if so it's coz it hits twice
mortal strike sometimes, sometimes OP
weak wave
So Slayer doesn't cast Rend anymore`?
smoky kayak
yes it does
weak wave
What have I read then?^^
rare kite
fury slayer
smoky kayak
how the f should I know what you've read? 
rare kite
you have read fury slayer things @weak wave
weak wave
Ahh that's possible
soft peak
what are you doing when waiting for keys xd
dim basalt
🙏 fuck academy
big
vivid fox
Pit bonus rolls go brrr
austere solar
how the f should I know what you've read? <:DogeLaugh:359830401369243649>
Because you are the all mighty warrior here. May be Odyn himself.
latent basin
When are we gonna get Bug fixed
rose ibex
what are you doing when waiting for keys xd
Usually always better to make your own keys as dps
Expansion is bumping. Groups fill fast
latent basin
When are we gonna get Bug fixed
Archimtiros please tell me
shadow thorn
col or slayer arms for raid/m+?:)
austere solar
You have to make a ritual offering to have his answer
rose ibex
Empower attacks for arms. Want bigger smashes
stable cairn
Anyone knows if the Enchant Ring - Eyes of the Eagle is best enchant for rings after they got buffed?
hushed topaz
minor gust
its still more fun tbh though im getting arround on col
Oh man midnight slayer has absolutely ruined my ability to enjoy Colo at all. Did a few Colo keys so I can get some dmg comparisons for 12.05 and it was just night and day to me on how much I dislike playing Colo.
minor gust
Anyone knows if the Enchant Ring - Eyes of the Eagle is best enchant for rings ...
It was best long before the buff so yes
sturdy flicker
Arms and fury keep trending down on wcl stats lol
minor gust
It's going to as more and more people kill last 3 bosses
flat willow
my stats are getting sexy tho
I had to swap to fem orc
cuz male orc is bugged
thanks blizzard
leeching out of my mind
sturdy flicker
It's going to as more and more people kill last 3 bosses
Yeah seems warrior ain't so hot on those lol
copper swan
oh so we don't care about the nexus rings bonus ?
sturdy flicker
Maybe we get an execute buff to compensate ahha
minor gust
Melee in general ain't good on those fights
sturdy flicker
oh so we don't care about the nexus rings bonus ?
I wouldn't say we don't care.... think they're pretty good in st you do have to kinda sim urself to see if you want to bonus roll them
minor gust
oh so we don't care about the nexus rings bonus ?
If you primarily play M+ and Colo double Crit rings are gonna be better
copper swan
ok
minor gust
Set rings for slayer/raid
minor gust
Slayer also just doesn't want as much Crit as Colo does
At a certain point haste mastery becomes more valued a lot sooner on slayer than for Colo
copper swan
well at the beginnig i was planning to complete our set by juste getting verything in heroic and catalyze it xd
but that bonus roll thing is very nice
urban fjord
i got the crit/haste NPX ring on reroll, now im in POS purgatory for the next few weeks of rolls
copper swan
idk about my playtime farming myth crest so for now i'm gonna wait a bit for rolls
like chasing in vault everything that is not in Pit
legs / gloves / another ring / boots
i have myth gloves set in vault
i can take them, i won't need much the Trium special ones
since i don't do big high content
urban fjord
odds are extremely high i take reroll token in vaults from now on
minor gust
It's nice they added that to vault
minor gust
I would probably still choose a socket first over it. Unless the item you are hunting is really big
urban fjord
think only time ill take a vault is if its a slot im rolling for in POS anyway
to save crests
ive been crest cucked for weeks
sudden owl
Freezing a vault slot would go so hard
dire hinge
Yeah been submitting that feedback since SL but alas
sudden owl
Better chance of them fixing the arms bug in the next 2 weeks tho (0%)
dire hinge
The reroll option kinda solves the freeze vault, but still…. Freeze would be so nice
copper swan
dire hinge
Lmao the BFA “here’s one item fuck you better luck next time” special
I remember doing a whole tier without a mythic weapon once. Never dropped and was only doing heroic raid at the time
minor gust
Lmao the BFA “here’s one item fuck you better luck next time” special
Then you had to suffer it again next season
Got my gettiku or whatever the sword was
Ooops next season gotta get it again
dire hinge
Blessed arms sword
jaunty tinsel
Bring back 30% of my damage dot please
flat willow
ahhhhh gettiku
how I hate you
may you rot alongside bfa
so there's this sword that bleeds, and your mastery that bleeds and your bladestorm does no damage but applies the bleed a lot
minor gust
Only took them till now to make BS finally just do dmg on its own
In some dungeons my overall BS is almost as high as cleave
sudden owl
still would like for it to do that damage over 3 seconds
vagrant hull
Frozen what build do you use? I tried a seat as slayer last night and my damage was abysmal. Just used the M+ build from wowhead
is that build bad or am I Just bad
flat willow
slayer is dead, frozenbozo couldn't save it
flat willow
blizzard shot in the back of the cranium
sudden owl
Side bar wasn't the original change to reap for this patch affecting whirlwind on 3 targets too? I noticed that is not a thing after spamming whirlwind on dragons for 3 minutes
minor gust
Frozen what build do you use? I tried a seat as slayer last night and my damage...
That's the build I'm using. Tho I'm gonna start testing a new cook here today
minor gust
i think slayer is bad
It's def not bad. Just not better than Colo after 12.05
vagrant hull
I was pretty low overall but it could just be me not using it correctly
minor gust
Likely but I cant really say because idk how you play nor what kinda of key/other players you played with was
vagrant hull
Yeah and I didn't log it, I may get logging going and start to dive into them and see what's going on
vast helm
waiting for the bug fix and tuning post for sure
minor gust
Yeah and I didn't log it, I may get logging going and start to dive into them an...
Personally if you want a real good trick to M+ improvement is record your runs and vod review it afterwards
vagrant hull
I'm no min-maxer but I'm not a potato either.
That's good to know, I've never tried that
mortal crag
how are you benched as arms
cuz other warr is there
mortal crag
Also Phil you own
why dont u tell me i own
hasty pumice
cuz other warr is there
"hey we know you got 3.8k RIO and you know how to deal aoe damage so we'll bring the other warrior"
mortal crag
they killed first time with him so they dont want "to make it go slow" by having me there
hasty pumice
thats what you get
mortal crag
(i do more damage, i have arms gear and they all suck and have been wiping for 45mins)
which resulted in this new gif drop
GG
hasty pumice
btw I hope you checked the newly buffed crit enchant
mortal crag
the eagle eye no?
minor gust
That's good to know, I've never tried that
Unless you are really comfortable with going through logs and knowing what to look for it's fine, but most people like me aren't. So I just find vod reviewing a lot easier to spot out your mistakes and learn from it
mortal crag
its 2% now?
hasty pumice
it was a 1% dps increase for me now to swap from stat crit ring enchant
to double eagle
ye
mortal crag
ive been rockin it
hasty pumice
2% crit damage
minor gust
btw I hope you checked the newly buffed crit enchant
Been using it for the last month
hasty pumice
its fucking nuts
minor gust
why dont u tell me i own
Ragish you ow
mortal crag
gotta keep u humble
hasty pumice
hasty pumice
I was there twice but
mortal crag
thot so
hasty pumice
it wasn't meant to be
mortal crag
nexus was basically a pug with how my feral tried to brick it
mortal crag
he came back after 4 days in spain and mass zaza in his blood
cyan skiff
btw I hope you checked the newly buffed crit enchant
What enchant?
hasty pumice
eye of the eagle or some shit
2% crit damage ring enchant
everytime I sim since the demolish changes I just want more and more crit
MORE
smoky kayak
Col was already prioritizing crit ahead of the patch too
Just cause it has so many crit mults
hasty pumice
I mean yeah but at some point the sim preferred haste or occasionally mastery
but now it's always just
cyan skiff
So we running crit dam on rings now?
hasty pumice
"whatever gives you the most crit"
mortal crag
@smoky kayak can u speak with john blizzard
to have that bug fixed
isnt it like almost 6% dps loss in aoe?
nova marsh
MC20 is prolly the easiest out of those
I genuinely dont understand how mc had such a high depleted rate
mortal crag
I genuinely dont understand how mc had such a high depleted rate
because its giga easy to just fumble 2nd boss
equally as it is easy to do it properly
minor gust
Incoming ragish ban for that @
hasty pumice
i mean he's not wrong
mortal crag
archi has heard worse than that
hasty pumice
at MC20 if you overlap the pops you just die
minor gust
Post some frog gifs with it
hasty pumice
if you pop too late you might overlap into the other AoE
mortal crag
nah phil ppl r just artistic
nova marsh
Yeah second boss sucks for sure
hasty pumice
I want one pug group who gives me 2-4 reanimated warriors
I never get to experience that
nova marsh
most fun colo boss btw
No most fun is first boss
mortal crag
me when im wrong
hasty pumice
you havent had infinite funnel on 2nd boss yet
nova marsh
No I havent
nova marsh
Because pug tanks dont bother mol
hasty pumice
id argue 2nd seat boss yeah
feels bad when you have shit up but you gotta walk out to soak orbs
nova marsh
2nd boss seat is made like 3x faster as arms
hasty pumice
cause usually with arms you have 3-4 melees
mortal crag
its just the shield disappearing element that also includes a dopamine hit
hasty pumice
so
reef glade
if i get a myth track weapon think i get myth of the dawn next week
mortal crag
"im greedying and i kick all shadewing casts just letting u know"
reef glade
its 285 avg ilvl right
nova marsh
if i get a myth track weapon think i get myth of the dawn next week
Absoutlely gaming
mortal crag
no tank would funnel for u unless theyre a phys enjoyer
hasty pumice
Give me a funneling tank
you still dont see it in most 19s
mortal crag
cuz they dont care for arms
minor gust
I'm 282 stuck waiting on crests every week
hasty pumice
bro in PoS19 I told my tank to keep necrowhisperer alive and cage him
"no?"
so I had just full ST on forgemaster
nova marsh
LMAO
mortal crag
full st forgemaster is insane
nova marsh
I always have full st on forge
mortal crag
u might as well tp out go slayer and go back in
nova marsh
It sucks
minor gust
Man I get so many pits where ppl just don't cc the necro
mortal crag
less time
minor gust
Every DK I run with grips that shit in
mortal crag
u know whats worse
mortal crag
aug pet ruining funnel on mc 2nd
drphiliam is eu
its jover for me guys
hes coming after me
mortal crag
i bet ur not even a ragishwow follower
hasty pumice
no
hasty pumice
content creators are just people anyways
reef glade
creatures*
mortal crag
content creatures*
hasty pumice
I did a ton of MH content, I'm still a useless shitposter
mortal crag
yh look at swordish
hasty pumice
who?
minor gust
Ragish I'll follow if you play nothing but slayer for a day
hasty pumice
reef glade
you mean post buff?
hasty pumice
do you like -5~10% AOE
hasty pumice
reef glade
or we talmbout arms think i had fury in my head
hasty pumice
I had this in my academy 19 earlier
minor gust
Slayer changes are a nerf for keys no buff
reef glade
yea arms slayer pepelaugh
mortal crag
bro is in arms channel btw
hasty pumice
how do we buff dev DH so much
reef glade
hmm
hasty pumice
and you get outdamaged by an arms who has 0 ST
hasty pumice
yeah for sure
reef glade
and dks too
hasty pumice
invites slowed down so hard
cause 90% of the groups are DK / Warlock + Dev DH + Aug
mortal crag
they heard about our bug
minor gust
The more you talk about it, the more they get buffed
hasty pumice
so thats why people still doom about arms in here?
fervent cedar
Think the doom might be more raid related than anything but yeah arms isn't devourer so people doom
hasty pumice
fair but even then I doubt most of us are in guilds where it genuinely matters