arms

[nova marsh]

velf spotted

[slow saddle]

🥰

[kind stag]

i could never play velf or belf warrior

they look too skinny

[nova marsh]

Tbh

[slow saddle]

I knoe

[nova marsh]

I don't like elves with 2hs

They all kinda suck

[slow saddle]

Its a strigglr

Female nelf

[kind stag]

female nelf is goonerbait and metachasing

[nova marsh]

Fek you

[slow saddle]

Nah it has nice swings

[hybrid needle]

Velf > Nelf

[slow saddle]

Velf has worse animations

Sadly

[wet maple]

Orc supremacy gang

[nova marsh]

I mean tbh

[hybrid needle]

Not if you play slayer

[kind stag]

zug

[hybrid needle]

Looks way smoother

[nova marsh]

I should've just made my rogue a nightborne cuz I like them

But I wanted nelf for alliance

and now I just really like meld for extra vanish

[vast helm]

Amani troll pls

[hybrid needle]

Ive been human for 21 years. Not regretting going to velf, got bored of human ass

[slow saddle]

Ok tactician procced at 24.%

Wth

[hybrid needle]

Tried nelf, hated it

[nova marsh]

My warr is kul tiran

and idc what anyone says

Best race

[kind stag]

if i went alliance id go dwarf because they are cool, the dark iron ones, or draenei because hooves are cool

[nova marsh]

I genuinely hate hooves

[kind stag]

i think its unique and neat

[nova marsh]

See i'd like them

[kind stag]

same way tauren are badass

[hybrid needle]

I hate draenei

[nova marsh]

but boots are literally awful

[hybrid needle]

If i want hoofs id play tauren

[upper sparrow]

Humanity First

[slow saddle]

Tauren moves slowly

Its human or female orc

[latent moss]

tauren is so bad for mogs

[upper sparrow]

this is da wae

[latent moss]

nothing fits

[shadow osprey]

Upright orc is king

[proven veldt]

race change to orc in mists for axe specialization + blood fury + hardiness and then just never change

[slow saddle]

Wth

18%😆

[minor gust]

A lot of heresy against nelf going on in this chat

Nelf superior race

[latent moss]

^

[upper sparrow]

Quiet long ear

[kind stag]

because its metachasing asschasing pick

[latent moss]

me when i dont want my character to be ugly as fuck

[untold pewter]

Every mog fits > any racial

[shadow osprey]

I eat berries not cosplay as them

[hybrid needle]

Old fenale human animations were Prestige
New ones are horrible
Male only looks good dualwielding

[untold pewter]

Male is file with 1 2h

Female human lacks t h i c c

[kind stag]

female orc

now thats good

[untold pewter]

Yeah

Best female body shape in the game imo

[kind stag]

you like em buff huh

[untold pewter]

[hybrid needle]

I dont agree with the shape but armor and animations look best, yes

But the sounds during combat... ugh

[shadow osprey]

The true way is to use the horn to make yourself a stormforged vrykul

[untold pewter]

My house is built with this in mind

[mortal crag]

week 2 arms

feelin gud

[kind stag]

early logs abusing

[hybrid needle]

You guys have houses? Crazy

[mortal crag]

vanguard would of been a fucking improvement if my guild didnt

forget to dispell

first 4 seconds

🙂

🙂

[rare kite]

technically i do have a house. it has nothing in it tho

[mortal crag]

🙂

[rare kite]

free xalatath overwatch skin

[mortal crag]

yapyap

[hybrid needle]

Didnt even buy a house. 1000 gold for 0 benefits? Nah.

[mortal crag]

the medians are just fine! 😠

[untold pewter]

@shadow osprey

It is the way

Everything is Valarjar sized

[shadow osprey]

It would be such a cool avatar glyph

To change your avatar appearance

[untold pewter]

True

[mortal crag]

@smoky kayak do we know how big of a damage loss the bug is?

[hybrid needle]

Give us back Form changing trinekts like the vyrkul crit one from wotlk

[kind stag]

i hate those

[rare kite]

i mean heart is kind of a form trinket. you get a purple dinosaur around you

[minor gust]

Like 5.5% in 5T according to Fishy that's without Colo benefits of extra bleed

[chilly wind]

played some keys this evening with my arms alt, currently at around 270 gear. My overall dps was around 100-110k in most keys. Is this a bit low? Am a bit underwhelmed

[hybrid needle]

Which constantly feels like youre standing in random stuff and makes you doubt yourself 7 times during beloren cause everything else looks like that thing too

[mortal crag]

it is a bit low yes

[mortal crag]

WHAT

THIS BUG IS A 6% DPS LOSS?

IN AOE?

[minor gust]

🙂

[mortal crag]

YOU'RE TELLING ME I LOSE 6.5% DAMAGE?

[nova marsh]

wait

[rare kite]

lmao truu. i had light infusion and trinket procced then i went into void and died...

[robust cairn]

i had also a weird moment in +13Academy... Sometimes my Fury would deal normal damage with his 300k Bloodbath Crits and sometimes i was just dealing 200 dmg hits. And yeah i mean 200 Dmg - it was no debuff, no affix, nothing. Could this be a bug?

[mortal crag]

A WHOLE 7% AS COLOSSUS?

[rare kite]

smh my hyead

[nova marsh]

Oh 5 targ

[mortal crag]

7.5% ON AOE?

[hybrid needle]

What Bug

[mortal crag]

THAT'S BASICALLY 8%

[nova marsh]

Name checks out

[hybrid needle]

Deep wounds one ?

[mortal crag]

y

[chilly wind]

hmm yeah thats also what I am thinking, but have no idea what I am doing wrong

[mortal crag]

well

for the most part

spam cleave

and in st dont press cleave

send demolish on cd (not a huge damage loss)

[slow saddle]

Ok

[mortal crag]

the rest of the cds only go with warbreaker

colossus smash mb

[runic heath]

beyond the bugged damage

[slow saddle]

Whats the avg uptime on arcano weave???

[runic heath]

i feel rage starved

[mortal crag]

GAJILLION

[runic heath]

what changed

[minor gust]

That's 2 slam crits per cleave not applying DW right now. That shit adds up

[nova marsh]

Shaman friend required

[mortal crag]

true tbf

[hybrid needle]

Imagine critting with fob in the first place 👀

[mortal crag]

5.5% on aoe is insane

[ashen trout]

anyone tried slayer 2t on dragons yet?

[mortal crag]

why slayer when colo

[ashen trout]

our grp doesnt have a bdk to grp orbs and its tilting af, maybe im just dogshit

[mortal crag]

i mean, colo by itself even w/o orbs

does more damage

to 2t

than slayer

[ashen trout]

oh kk

[mortal crag]

just sim 2t and see the diff

[ashen trout]

i wont even worry about it then and just send and not play around orbs

bet i will

appreciate u chef

[mortal crag]

yeah if u have no orb game just still send anyway

u have demo every like 20s

u can kinda hit a few orbs if u postiion nice

and call it a day yk

[ashen trout]

ye i think thats the play

appreciate u

[mortal crag]

i kinda sent and got a purple log i think just vibing it out

[hybrid needle]

Idk how to singletarget.
Got a 97 on vanguard, rest is blue or green

[mortal crag]

🥲

[minor gust]

I did not do well on reclear last night. Only one orange rest purple.

[hybrid needle]

Ill make it easier for u guys to get good parses

[minor gust]

Those mythic?

[hybrid needle]

Nah. I only went into heroic once with pugs and that was the Result

[untold pewter]

I'm a mythic blue parser now

[minor gust]

[untold pewter]

A legend in my time

Washed

[pulsar hollow]

What is supposed to generate rage for us c: After Avatar + Colossus Smash I dont have enough rage sometimes to cast three cleaves + mortal strike 🥲 Feels so different than Fury lmao

[minor gust]

Ended 12.0 top 20 arms if we had killed crown top 10 in mythic

[hybrid needle]

In my defense i didnt play arms in...
Well i never did

[untold pewter]

[rare kite]

get lucky with auto attack crit

if first auto gets parried you're fukd

[arctic kite]

arms colusses got buffed in single is it 8% as BIZ said or 2% asking for m+

[untold pewter]

#updates-midnight might have what you're looking for

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[pulsar hollow]

So Im not crazy? Its not so abnormal to happen 😂 Ive been at the bloody training dummies for like 40 mins lmao

[rare kite]

yeah it just happens sometimes

[slow saddle]

Tbf very hard tier 2 parse

If range have brains

[hybrid needle]

Remember, blue is still above average

[minor gust]

[untold pewter]

Our ranged are pretty strong this tier

And I legit don't finish Demolish on dragons before the adds die after a grip

[kind stag]

blue means you are doing enough to kill the boss so good!

[untold pewter]

All I do is legit Warbreaker->Demolish

And they die

Before the 3rd hit

[slow saddle]

Thats my point

[untold pewter]

2x devourer eating everything up

[proven veldt]

it's only going to get worse

[untold pewter]

They're parsing 90+ on every boss

So yeah they're gamers

[proven veldt]

when imperator adds die in 3 globals instead of 6

[untold pewter]

imperator I gave up honestly

I just sit on boss and cleave when in range

With SS

[proven veldt]

chimaerus? hope you're in the first group

[untold pewter]

I only swap if the orb is too healthy before spikes

I am in the first group and

I swear

I don't finish bladestorm

Like not even half way

[proven veldt]

lol

[untold pewter]

Between adds moving and getting to the spot

AND WE EVEN MASS GRIP THEM

They die

I fucking hate this patch lmao

[marsh thistle]

any tips for saladhar mythic with arms?

[minor gust]

Nah there's no doing anything on chim as arms

Just ST boss down

[kind stag]

tru

[minor gust]

SS big add sometimes

[untold pewter]

Position to cleave with SS while attacking boss
Swap if the team needs

[proven veldt]

you can spell reflect the DOT

spin the little orbs

[untold pewter]

Yeah for Chim I even stopped holding anything for going down (even tho I go down first)

Just send everything on boss

And we do get him in range of SS during Consume

With the big dude

But that's that

I can't touch the tiny adds for pad

[hidden meadow]

u go Single Target so ?

u destroy him ?

[minor gust]

I hold BS thats it. So I'm going down on adds with just CS and BS

[untold pewter]

Good ST yeah

[minor gust]

BS fucks at least

[untold pewter]

I was doing that

But when I realized adds were dying on the ~3rd BS hit

I just gave up

[minor gust]

Eh that's prob still more than sending it on ST

[untold pewter]

I mean yeah

Cuz the big add takes it all

So definitely yes

[proven veldt]

and you can just hit the boss/big orb with the remaining BS hits

not like you're losing hits

[untold pewter]

Wait I was talking about chimaerus

[proven veldt]

oh I misread

[slow saddle]

That boss if u wanna patserse

[untold pewter]

On imperator yeah 100% all on boss with good positioning you get a lot of cleave but

[slow saddle]

Find pugs

[frosty basin]

is the bonus roll fixed?

[untold pewter]

Tanks need to help

[nova marsh]

An abandon but like

Is the hunter just....what's going on here

Is BM bugged?

[untold pewter]

Paladins should die this week
At least I was doing good damage on that one

Meanwhile our ranged

[minor gust]

You will do more with Colo changes too!

[untold pewter]

[slow saddle]

Dragons?

[untold pewter]

Imperator

Lemme show dragon

[slow saddle]

No what happened there?

[slow saddle]

Collosus?

[untold pewter]

Yeah

The other devourer died towards the end

[nova marsh]

jesus christ devo

[untold pewter]

But before that

[slow saddle]

U didnt hold demos + play with cleave?

[shadow osprey]

Weird question. Does anyone play with sounds on? If so are our sounds from our hits like MS just sound like wooshing air and not actually hitting anything?

[glossy sky]

yo guys, how many sparks are there now? i crafte 2h, bracers, belt, and this week we craft another?

[stable fiber]

9

you get another next week

[untold pewter]

I am legit using like ideal mapped cds even through a note with the timers
But every time the devourers have their 1 button

It's grip->adds die on 2nd demolish hit

I hit like ~5 adds and both bosses

With the 3rd hit

[storm canopy]

got boots from dreamrift.. i already have them gg

[slow saddle]

Hahaha

[rose ibex]

Sleepy hoonter

[nova marsh]

apparently

[untold pewter]

I don't delay for a millisecond even I'm like basically stop so I'm sure I'm not GCD locked at all and still can't finish demolish on all 20 adds

[slow saddle]

So bonus rolls copy only affected by last rolø

[nova marsh]

I'm just trying to finish rogue 3k (Because god FUCK trickster) so I can play warr

[untold pewter]

Fucking stupid

[nova marsh]

and never touch rogue till S2

[slow saddle]

I mean

Its 4 gcds

Cs into demo

[storm canopy]

dunno but it sucks

[slow saddle]

Nah

[untold pewter]

3 and a bit no?

[rose ibex]

Oh dude. Trickster is toxic as fuck

[slow saddle]

Its fair

[nova marsh]

I think sub trick is fine

Outlaw trick is cancer

[rose ibex]

My bud is doing more damage but why do we need to see the smoke cloud?

[slow saddle]

Just hold bonus rolls until u have 8 then

[nova marsh]

HOLD THE FUCK UP

OTHERS SEE THE CLOUD?

[slow saddle]

For m+

[nova marsh]

Oh my god why

[slow saddle]

What if

Bladestorm

[rose ibex]

Shit is obnoxious. I dont want the death lines and circles to be obscured by smoke

[slow saddle]

Pressed st 0

🤣

[untold pewter]

Doomed

[rose ibex]

Im fighting in the cloud just hoping I dont get splatted

[slow saddle]

Or cleave spam?

[nova marsh]

Oh my god I thought it was just me, no I'm inflicting this trash on others

[rose ibex]

12% damage buff tho

[nova marsh]

I know

[rose ibex]

DAMAGE

[untold pewter]

Might honestly be the play

[nova marsh]

But the gameplay is trash in comparison

[rose ibex]

I just want rogues to be happy.... the non sub ones

[nova marsh]

and trickster needs more energy lmao

[untold pewter]

I can send at least 2-3 cleaves

Before 80% of adds are dead

[nova marsh]

kill me

Give me arms

[slow saddle]

Imma try col m+ build ngl

[nova marsh]

Or give me death

[rose ibex]

Die!

[slow saddle]

And just demo // cs boss

And cleave spam adds with fob

Hopefully fob will be fixxed

[mortal crag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qFkbXfEYcsCJmbLK9ZruYx

isnt it crazy

that i can barely get any value from MYTHIC

its just like 3 items to catalyze

thats it

[slow saddle]

The crazy psrt

Is 93k

[mortal crag]

wym

[slow saddle]

Like 20k behins good

[slow saddle]

I mean we as a spec are so cooked

Who the hell is tuning st

[hybrid needle]

The apprentice

[rain thistle]

that looks like about what my fury MT ST looked like

[near ice]

I will say our execute dmg in pretty decent

[slow saddle]

But i mean ret is 115

And dk 133?

[near ice]

but we dont get to have fun until 100+ pulls on bosses like lura in p3/p4

[shadow osprey]

Yeah we could catch a 20% buff and still not be top.

[hybrid needle]

Cant compare range and melee dps, duh

[slow saddle]

This

Is the crime

[proven veldt]

they completely broke loot this season it's insane

[mortal crag]

my vault was just shoulders btw

and i had horrible rerolls

so, could of been higher

[proven veldt]

"here are 97 mythic items in the first month"

[mortal crag]

this week's*

[proven veldt]

big part of the fun of playing an RPG is chasing new power gains

[mortal crag]

for me its the competitiveness

but i get you

[humble thistle]

made it

[hybrid needle]

Thats an edit right

[mortal crag]

yeah the funniest part

[humble thistle]

negative

[mortal crag]

is that my fury simmed 91k like.. 2 weeks ago?

At 275? 276? idk

[hybrid needle]

Whats the secret tech to a 0 Parse

[upper sparrow]

Hope you’re ready for patch 13.05 character templates

[humble thistle]

have it be the 1st time in 5 years you play arms

not even last place DPS in 12.0.5

[fervent cedar]

We are so back (to 0)

[humble thistle]

rank 70/81 rn

[glossy tusk]

is this trinket good? Feels not worth since its pretty easy to get vorasius and gaze

[proven veldt]

you joke, and yet

[slow saddle]

Sim it

My dk in bad 270 sims 106/108

10ilvls above war 92

[calm hollow]

same dude, same

1 chest, and literal 0 upgrade from raid anymore

[olive nest]

95k!?

[calm hollow]

oh, plus Lura ring, since raidbots only sims with 1 socket

[olive nest]

Bro is yoked

[calm hollow]

94.2k, would be 95k with a chest

next week for sure

[languid torrent]

bruh

[calm hollow]

i'm the only one for chest token

[languid torrent]

what juice do you have turned on to hit 95k

thats crazy

[calm hollow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4558kcJJAmzCZsCtwkeQMj

here, nothing special

i would guess @stable fiber sims more than me

[stable fiber]

nah u do

im 98k with vantus

im like 94k

[calm hollow]

im 94k too

[slow saddle]

Heck u might break

96k

Thats mad😅

[calm hollow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9KhymhorMk2GcMdoVUKWEy same, with vantus

[slow saddle]

Cant break 100k in st build

Blizzard what

I know sims and all but

[calm hollow]

will u bonus roll nexus @stable fiber ?

[kind stag]

buff devourer

[calm hollow]

for rings

[slow saddle]

We are flat as fuck!

[stable fiber]

i bonus rolled pit

[slow saddle]

Weap?

Guess i goin all in until i get what u nees

I need gaze

[slow saddle]

Wait amin

In 3 weeks we break 100k guys

Its all good

[kind stag]

warriors breaking 100k? nerf inc

[slow saddle]

U get bigger weap + trinket

[torpid acorn]

just a little vorasius mythic, the single target seems nice

[undone aurora]

im already above 3400 does anyone know how to get the timelost saddle?

[slow saddle]

2 bad other ppl gain more🤣

[kind stag]

mortal cleave dmg reduced

[slow saddle]

Thats adds included dont lie

[torpid acorn]

full ST

[slow saddle]

Broad strokes and executin adds into boss whilestormin adds

So thats adds included y

[languid torrent]

how

[torpid acorn]

1 million damage is nothing ahaha

[torpid acorn]

arms goes brr

[languid torrent]

it CLEARLY doesnt because i suck

lol

[iron moat]

the bug with deep wounds not applying by fervor of battle has been fixed? this is me on dummies rn

[torpid acorn]

execute phase goes brrr

[slow saddle]

U cant say 100k is good when ppm comfortably are above

[bitter kestrel]

Devourer not #1... needs buff

[autumn nexus]

How are we liking the arms changes?

[olive nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5METLuhVUuPZFQgp1T1B6z

[autumn nexus]

I feel liek its dog

[slow saddle]

Paladin is at 119k

122 with adds

[limpid hornet]

same, i regret going Arms

[slow saddle]

So that gap is 20%

20%

[olive nest]

I can cata boots I was sleeping on that lol

[autumn nexus]

arms is my forth char, and itslikely just geting benched

[olive nest]

Really just need more crests

[slow saddle]

Now fdk also does vora at 119k

[olive nest]

Have helm in bags

[dreamy sandal]

Boys, can warrior leap to do the stairway skip in algathar?

last area?

[slow saddle]

Top war 111k

[iron moat]

how can y'all say arms feels bad, for colossus at least, got st buff and basically nothing aoe

[slow saddle]

Because

A 8% st buff

When u are 40% behind

[slow saddle]

Is good and all

[stable fiber]

log in

[slow saddle]

But not enough

[calm hollow]

idk how eye sims you that high

[bitter kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/numbers-dont-lie-disaster-spell-gif-25561954

[swift loom]

anybody have a link to the spreadsheet that containts all the spell reflectable stuff for the season? may have missed it in pins

[torpid acorn]

i sniff a lot of copium

[languid torrent]

pinned in prot channel

[iron moat]

sure, but we thrive in aoe, that's how it works rn, some can do decent st, but usually it's quite bad without funnel, but this helps for sure

[slender sonnet]

me the entire night - 16th on the dps

saj

[rain thistle]

dps-faq channel

[slow saddle]

Isnt the doomin not copium?

[slender sonnet]

apart from dragons where if the DKs gripped nicely I was top

[slow saddle]

U dont have good devs

[slender sonnet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uPx5NZLBFVHecYYTQT8y1H

I sim so low

the fuck

[olive nest]

It’s probably just because I have so much Crit natty before flask so sim wants haste big time

[stable fiber]

tends to happen when u have 2x aoe talents

[slow saddle]

Kek

[olive nest]

I tried droptimizer with haste flask but highest upgrades are lower

[slender sonnet]

oh yeah

[olive nest]

Def want Crit flask

[swift loom]

thanks 😄

[slender sonnet]

i dont look at my talents

[stable fiber]

wrong talents, no mainstat gem, wrong chest enchant

gg

[slender sonnet]

gg

[stable fiber]

ethical chest enchant i guess

[olive nest]

Oh that’s curious I think I’m at 33% with flask,, off the top of my head so I think we’re about the same

[slender sonnet]

wait what wrong chest enchant

there's a better chest enchant?

[stable fiber]

mark of the worldsoul is 50 str

instead of 40 str + 116 stam

[slender sonnet]

Oh

I think I got nalorakk cause it was half the price

[stable fiber]

also weird weapon enchant

go do a top gear sim with gems and enchants

[slender sonnet]

okay let's see

[stable fiber]

look at your gear

you probably want a haste weapon enchant almost guranteed

and switch both your ring enchants to crit effectiveness

change neck gem to mainstat gem

[slender sonnet]

oh yeah with flask I have 1400 crit

xd

[stable fiber]

chest enchant to mark of the worldsoul

you could change to haste flask as well

actually ill just do it for you 1 sec

[slender sonnet]

okay thanks

Im very bad at simming

[cobalt relic]

Anyone have suggestions on when to replace a crafted weapon? I have a myth haste/mastery weapon but it sims lower than the 285 embellished. Maybe next week with a second arcanoweave craft or is the embellishment just that good?

[calm hollow]

you dont switch to a weapon, until you have 2 crafted items with arcano

it will always be a dps loss

[stable fiber]

@slender sonnet https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hbzxFTJfZbeRm1VewFgATr

[slender sonnet]

cheers!

[stable fiber]

you can ignore the helm/shoulders/boot enchants

i have it auto set to avoidance

didnt actually change your flask to haste

[cobalt relic]

Gotcha, wasn't sure how valuable the ilvl was, tyty

[bitter kestrel]

Was that just w/ the updated talent?

[polar sundial]

do we change anythign talent wise? why the specc feels off compared to yesterday??

[slender sonnet]

I'll apply these changes then sim haste flasks

I imagine though it will prefer haste

[stable fiber]

i simmed it

you can sim flasks now

it wants crit

[slender sonnet]

sweet

thanks for the help!

[stable fiber]

np

[minor gust]

Gonna have to elaborate on what feels off more

[urban fjord]

eyes of the eagle pretty good now, yeah?

its simming way higher for me

[nova marsh]

It always is

and once you hit a certain critcal mass of crit (no pun intended), I don't think eagle gets beaten

Turn out, crit damage on crit specs is really good

[safe island]

blizzard

ill kill you

[minor gust]

Always has been good

[jolly nymph]

when are they fixing these bugs?

[nova marsh]

Maybe by tomorrow

[minor gust]

🤷

[nova marsh]

I'm just gonna stop playing for now until it's fixed or go do delves to catch up on crests

even thou my warr really needs gilded now kinda lowkey

Keys feel kinda bad on both my toons

[cold sphinx]

arms and fury currently slightly same in pure st?

[minor gust]

Probably pretty close yes

[safe island]

still slayer arms is better than colo arms at st?

[vapid spire]

If we tell them it somehow gives us extra dps, they'll patch it tonight

[minor gust]

Yes

[urban fjord]

colo ST is embarassing in keys

i want the boss to end and im hoping people never look at their meters

[minor gust]

That's why Archi never made a post about the one good bug we have right now

[nova marsh]

what's the one good bug

[vapid spire]

There's no good bug shut your mouth

https://giphy.com/gifs/shut-up-silence-be-quiet-l41YrI2G6EXpqXbig

[minor gust]

Good bug is also a lot minor compared to the FOB bug which is a pretty decent hit to our dmg

[serene horizon]

Literally type the good bug and delete after

😢

[minor gust]

CS resets cleave CD when talented into Crushing combo

[serene horizon]

ok delete

[nova marsh]

'oh that one

[serene horizon]

hahahaa

[minor gust]

Blizz ain't ever reading whats in here

[radiant sonnet]

ok i just bonus roll 2 times and i get same item 2 times

ty game

[misty zenith]

So I can blame the bug on my dps sucking since patch, good to know

[nova marsh]

Should've saved

[minor gust]

[nova marsh]

Yes and no

skill issue

[pale pond]

so give me a tldr, slayer or collosus?

[radiant sonnet]

hahahahahahahahaha

[minor gust]

Double cloak too

Holy

Get owned

[nova marsh]

Unlucky af

[urban fjord]

in what, raid? keys?

[safe island]

rend is bug

delete rend

[nova marsh]

the one bad item in pit

[misty zenith]

Definitely skill issue haha

[pale pond]

keys keys xd sorry should have precised

[radiant sonnet]

i am not even mad lol but WTF

[urban fjord]

colossus in everything but AA and SR, i think slayer is lowkey better for WS but up to you

colo damage in WS last boss is pathetic bad

[minor gust]

Both Colo and slayer tbh continue to be good in keys

[urban fjord]

^ ya you can play either

[nova marsh]

Tbh it's for the best

[vapid spire]

I really wish we had good ST

[nova marsh]

at least we aren't law with one incrediably trash hero tree as our sole savior

[pale pond]

slayer ST isnt half bad

[minor gust]

This is totally not my slayer propaganda or anything

[urban fjord]

i wish we had OK ST, tank damage in ST is really really bad as colo

[minor gust]

[nova marsh]

Not my point lol

[nova marsh]

Don't lie to us frozen

[pale pond]

let me cope a bit

[minor gust]

I mean I did like 6 PITs yesterday. Now I may not be the best at Colo but like slayer continues to not be far behind in overall.

[nova marsh]

Oh I know I just have to give you shit for it

Evrey time

also slayer probs still better for pugs

[minor gust]

Granted I didnt run those 6 PITs with the same group everytime. Had a diff tank so results vary and it's harder to tell

But slayer makes me happy and Colo makes me tilted with pug tanks

[sand yew]

Getting top ST dps as slayer a lot of the time rn

[minor gust]

Soooooo slayer all the way

[sand yew]

in keys

still pretty good aoe also

[minor gust]

Yeah

[sand yew]

(I prefer colossus)

[pastel whale]

Yeah slayer feels nice

[minor gust]

Slayers numbers is still respectable.

[pastel whale]

But raid arms and warrior in generals ST is just horrible

[minor gust]

I got no problem pulling a Noxiv and only playing slayer because slayer owns

[pastel whale]

That’s slayer fury though right?

Noxiv

[minor gust]

Yeah he plays fury

[sand yew]

there are advantages to playing slayer over colossus

[pastel whale]

Turn brain fully off?

[sand yew]

but depending on comp, colossus is likely better

that is a legit advantage lol

[pastel whale]

😂

[minor gust]

With how much dmg BS is doing. The 360 aoe is not to be underestimated.

For ppl struggling with frontals and bad pug tanks on colo

[pastel whale]

Yeah if I’m in a key with 2 low ST dps I’ll go slayer

[minor gust]

Slayer is a lot more forgiving

[pastel whale]

Otherwise bossses are zzzzz

[nova marsh]

Tbh

I don't think I classes in midnight lol

[rose ibex]

Spin to win, baby

[vagrant hull]

I like that, I should macro that to my BS since Frozen is convincing me to try slayer

I like to annoy my guildies by macro-ing /say phrases to abilities

[rose ibex]

Ngl colossus will get you that tasty damage meter porn

[languid torrent]

holy

just hit a 993k demo

[kind stag]

yeah being a bottom on ST for sure

[full obsidian]

just look at it upside down

[kind stag]

makes sense

[rose ibex]

But slayer is just more consistent in its profile (despite its heavy reliance on procs)

[rose ibex]

Nah man. Im talking about the people snapping screens of their first pull of the dungeon with lust

Where the tank rounds up a billion packs at once

Silly shit like that

[vagrant hull]

It doesn't need to actually be good, Frozen just needs to tell me it's good and I'll believe

[rose ibex]

Slayer is more fun

[full obsidian]

ive been running it throughout tbh

[rose ibex]

Me like spin. Me like proc. No think much

[full obsidian]

tried colossus a couple of time

its aite

[nova marsh]

I kinda want to like both

But slayer RNG just feels *way worse8

[full obsidian]

what rng

with sudden>

d \because that ye

it can fuk u over sometimes

[nova marsh]

yes sd

[full obsidian]

but i just dislike goin to bosses and feel like im using a stick

[nova marsh]

Honestly I hope S2 gives classes something better then what they are rn

[full obsidian]

so its a small price to pay

[haughty meadow]

did the slayer changes make it better in M+?

[kind stag]

i hope s2 doesnt release a buggy mess

is that too much to ask for

[nova marsh]

Yes

[kind stag]

fuck

[nova marsh]

This is blizzard

[full obsidian]

its always been good cb

[kind stag]

yeah my bad

im sorry

[nova marsh]

Tbh

Might just be me

[kind stag]

expecting more from a company with bazillion dollars and over 2 decades of experience

[nova marsh]

But I feel like season launches go a lot better then .5 patches

[full obsidian]

ye\

[nova marsh]

.5 patches always fuck evreything

[kind stag]

because season launches are planned

.5 patches are mostly fuck it send it

[rose ibex]

Blizzard doesnt have 2 decades of experience haha

People rotate in and out like any other company

[kind stag]

i know that

still, lot of knowledge and ideas are leftover

[nova marsh]

I mean you'd think after 2 decades they'd have the collective knowledge even with people going in and out

[kind stag]

things get imparted from seniors to interns and new devs

[full obsidian]

with that spagheti code?

[rose ibex]

Theres also a lot of dumb people who know nothing about game design calling shots on stuff. Typical game industry

[full obsidian]

new guys come in for a world of hurt

[nova marsh]

I mean honestly

I don't think wow is that bad with code

[kind stag]

we gotta ask them why the warrior hate

[echo tendon]

you just know most of it is undocumented too

[nova marsh]

Sometimes yes (like how cloud cover is coded is kinda trash rn ngl)

[full obsidian]

some warrior slept with someones mom

[nova marsh]

But compared to like...ffxiv?

[kind stag]

gigachad behavior

[nova marsh]

Maybe eso

[still cove]

Alright gang, ive hit 3k io on my prot warrior. Never played Arms or Fury before and now want to switch from tanking to DPS. Trying to understand if arms is difficult or if its viable for me to be able to pick it up pretty quickly. Looks like ill have to craft a 2h and use the gear i have. thankfull stats arent that different

[languid torrent]

yo, so im getting about the same amount of MS casts in as other warriors but like fuck they are are doing roughly 1m or more damage overall on MS dam

[kind stag]

honestly ffxiv has lot of old code but they rarely get hit with so many bugs and things not working

[minor gust]

Slayer still good keep on spinning

[vast hinge]

You just hold cleave down

[nova marsh]

Yeah because they have infinite testing apparently

[full obsidian]

neither are hard

[kind stag]

guess what blizzard needs

[nova marsh]

And blizzard dosen't (and honestly never will)

No

[kind stag]

we are testing for them

[nova marsh]

blizz dosen't need more testing imo

Blizz just needs to listen to the bugs

[kind stag]

and paying for it too

[minor gust]

No it is a little worse than before

[still cove]

Sick, thanks guys. Will craft a 2h and go from there.

[nova marsh]

Since like half of them were reported in PTR

[rose ibex]

I honestly do not think there are dedicated people per class. Its just a handful of dudes who are trying to bug fix everything and dont understand everything about every class and they tackle problems as they come up with 'solitions' that arent always in touch with the player experience

Also, it's craaaaazy difficult to understand all the different classes and specs and issues between them AAAAND keep the spaghetti code from going too spaghetti

[nova marsh]

So true man

[kind stag]

if i remember they had class devs but idk how it is nowadays

i remember rogue had 1

just 1

[rose ibex]

People think they are fine tuning the shitty balance changes when its more like they are putting out fires and are probably being delegated tasks outside their department scope at the same time

More like they have a list of patches already made and they got to do stuff weeks in advance while putting out fires

[near ice]

think this is an AI patch fully cooked with slopcode

[echo tendon]

yeah right now balance is probably not a major concern with how much stuff is broken in this patch

[full obsidian]

wish we had one

[latent moss]

i dont remember

the last time balance was this horrible

on top of ojust

random changes

why did alleria get buffed

??????

[minor gust]

A ex blizzard Dev did a podcast interview and Said they all work on everything together as a group, but devs are allowe to focus on things they're interested in and in in their spare time. So there was no class devs just devs that like classes more

[rose ibex]

Naw dude. The dudes over there would fuckin flip if they had to use AI to code or create art. Its chock full of people with giant egos and nobody is going to slip on that anytime soon

[thin quail]

As slayer, why is heroic strike a higher priority in single target than mortal strike and in colossus its reversed

[austere sapphire]

don't worry you guys, i'll be paying an extra £1 a month so these bad patches and tuning won't be an issue going forward 👍

[full obsidian]

because

[rose ibex]

Exactly this. Exactly why arms needs a stronger focus on its identity to gain better and more consistent design changes in the future

[kind stag]

i know a guy

a streamer

that worked in blizz for 7 years

just sayin

[rose ibex]

Also this

[latent moss]

i mean tuning is inexcusable

[rose ibex]

Their big housing thing isnt even working. Thats BAD

[latent moss]

u are buffing

[minor gust]

Really just needs a Dev who has a passion or interest in this class

[latent moss]

the strongest spec in the game by far

to be even stronger

[full obsidian]

wasnt he a tea boy or smthin

[latent moss]

there is infinite evidence devourer was broken before .5

[rose ibex]

Hearts will be broken as their vision will not fit with what everyone wants but it is something that needs to happen. Theres a reason why fury is so loved and popular

[minor gust]

Tbf the new spec new expansion buff is real

[latent moss]

it is

john midnight spec

apex called midnight

wcyd

[minor gust]

Real

[latent moss]

titan = colossus

so the last titan is colossus expansion

colo arms beats everyone on pad and boss damage

👍

[rose ibex]

It really doesn't bother me because arms is super fun right now

[covert birch]

Crazy how I was second to last dps on Alleria and still got 97 parse
Just shows how shit we are I guess

[minor gust]

Remember in the midnight announcement we saw call to arms

[latent moss]

watching kha just do

80k less

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

than others

on lura

[rose ibex]

Devourer can be stronger than god and it wouldnt bother me

[latent moss]

is just painful to watch

[full obsidian]

as soon as i saw my 95 parse and was still behind like 8 other guildies i geared a dk tbh

it was pathetic

[latent moss]

i mean its not just devourer

we have 2 dps specs

[rose ibex]

The parse is all that matters

[latent moss]

and both are at the bottom on st

[rose ibex]

95 parse is badass dude

[latent moss]

how is it allowed that a spec is outsimming us by 30%

[vast hinge]

I did a M chim yesterday where the devouere did like double my dps

[full obsidian]

i had a good parse in a m grp

[latent moss]

ye best spec on that boss vs worst spec

[full obsidian]

and still got called out for low dps

[vast hinge]

And I while I admit I’m shit, I’m ilvl 282 and 5/9m lol

[full obsidian]

like what more can id o

[rose ibex]

Fuckem I say

To hell withem

[latent moss]

not play warrior in raid

thats the only metric

they see

[covert birch]

I miss legion execute

[latent moss]

i dont even care about raiding im not raiding mythic this tier

but its just cancer

how bad tuning is

[minor gust]

Idk if it's just me but I don't compare my specs with other specs usually. That shit is an up and down rollercoaster.

[rose ibex]

Its pretty bad

[full obsidian]

i dont care for it much either

but i want my trinkets

[rose ibex]

Yeah it changes week to week

No point stressing about it

[minor gust]

So it doesn't bother me if I'm lowest on a boss because I only care about how well I did compared to other arms warriors

[rose ibex]

Only annoying if you gotta pug raid

[latent moss]

why cant warriors just get a buff

we always get a buff and a compensation nerf

[full obsidian]

ye i pug my myth rraid tbh

[covert birch]

We got battle shout bro wdym

[latent moss]

real

[vast hinge]

they have to take a warrior

That’s why I get into groups

[rose ibex]

Outside of raid i feel decently strong. Not the best but I can feel the potential

[latent moss]

i dont like dooming but the last time dps warrior was this bad in raid was cn

[full obsidian]

i host the grps

fuk waiiting lal

[latent moss]

the only thing keeping us alive is arms on 2 bosses where 1 is just padding

[full obsidian]

issue is if u miss ur pad window on some bosses yer screwed lal

[rose ibex]

"Let's see... we got a lust... a brez.... a.
....

...a warrior...

Ok we're good"

My buddy putting a m+ team together^

[latent moss]

it doesnt even make sense for you to deal with the adds

cause there are classes which are much better

(devourer)

[full obsidian]

exactly

[rose ibex]

He does value my ability to throw out big stuns at least

[latent moss]

so u end up on st duty and ur st is dogshit

[full obsidian]

and they have the nerve to call peeps out

cant wait for that nerf to hit em like a truck

warri in m+ is goated tbh

[rose ibex]

I think devourer (and unholy dks) are just annoyed about bugs

They know they are busted

In damage

[full obsidian]

they will get slapped hard

its the blizzard way

of over correcting

[latent moss]

unholy will

devourer will get slapped on the wrist

like brewmaster

[rose ibex]

My friend who plays DH says that if devourer didnt have absolutely busted damage nobody would play it because it plays like ass

[full obsidian]

yes it does

[latent moss]

same with unholy

top 1 worst spec ive ever played

[rose ibex]

I like the idea of unholy

Like melee demo lock

[full obsidian]

but even when you fuck up half the time with dev u still do better than anyone around

[latent moss]

id rather play castle nathria condemn arms

[rose ibex]

Hey

That shit was fun

I loved condemn

[latent moss]

ye for the first 2 hours

[full obsidian]

me too

frost dk plays well

[latent moss]

except nothing u press does anything

and the rotation is 2 buttons

[full obsidian]

but u might as well stick to arms

[rose ibex]

It makes squishy sounds

Poink

Fr tho dk felt kinda boring

Like all this amazing utility but boring gameplay

[full obsidian]

right now it is

[rose ibex]

I liked it in dragonflight a lot

Super fun

[latent moss]

i mean its literally

[full obsidian]

unholy dk has so little that u can one button rotation it and be ok

[latent moss]

scourge strike scourge strike scourge strike scourge strike scourge strike

[rose ibex]

Loved big frost obliterate crits

[latent moss]

epidemic

scourge strike scourge strike

epidemic

its so mind numbingly boring

and unengaging

if u dont have army ure not a spec

healer dps without army

[full obsidian]

insaNE init

i was gearing mine this past week

out dpsed a 277 warri on my 258 dk on single target on evey boss lal

was a sad sight

[latent moss]

u probably outsim him too

considering uhkd is simming for 30% more

[full obsidian]

i was legit laughing at my screen

like a wetard

and i suck at this game too

[rose ibex]

I liked popping zits for damage

With unholy

[full obsidian]

yea

[rose ibex]

And it has a big burst combo for pvp

[latent moss]

unholy is also just

not a melee

[rose ibex]

But i prefer frost

[full obsidian]

well

[latent moss]

there are ranged specs that want to stand in melee more than unholy

[full obsidian]

not anymore

[rose ibex]

Non-breath frost

[latent moss]

wdym its just soul reaper and festering strike

[rose ibex]

This is how I play spriest

[full obsidian]

u might aswell be a warlock

i legit have 0 downtime as unholy

[rose ibex]

I have to stand close to things or my apparitions dont reach the target to deal damage before the targets die

[latent moss]

ye i mean its impossible to have downtime

cause ure ranged with no drawbacks of being ranged

such as standing still to cast

[full obsidian]

ikr lol

its so stupid

[rose ibex]

Bm hunter

Ranged melee class

[full obsidian]

even they have to stand still if they spec into wailing arrow

for a sec

[rose ibex]

Sv hunter
Melee ranged class

[fervent cedar]

You mean uhdk

[rose matrix]

Survival is barely ranged

[rose ibex]

Imagine filling your stable with caterpillars so all your dire beasts are caterpillars that turn giant because of weird scaling

Then the hero talent turns then into lame dogs instead

[rose ibex]

Yes

[rose matrix]

You basically have bombs and the ability let you use abilities at range but then you're just focus starved because you can't melee

[rose ibex]

I know i know they get too many benefits being in melee but they have some flexibility

I love sv hunter

[tulip gust]

Wym My UHdk has to stand still for puzzle box lool

[rose ibex]

Just needs 1 or 2 more buttons

[rose matrix]

Survival is my alt

I enjoy it

[rose ibex]

Super fun spec

[rose matrix]

I'd say it's the best hunter spec for m+ rn maybe even raid too after mm nerfs

[rose ibex]

I originally planned to main it. If explosive shot was still in i would have

[tacit sandal]

So now there is no slam animation when using cleave on 3+ targets

[rose ibex]

Feel like nobody wants to try it tho

[rose matrix]

They will now

[rose ibex]

Did it get big buffs? I was thinking about dropping my druid alt for it

[rose matrix]

Survival goes hard in raid and have the best prio damage and st out of the hunter specs

[rose ibex]

I just like having a pet

And being melee

My trusty crocalisk

My crocalisk ive had since vanilla

[rose matrix]

I think in M+ they have less AoE than BM but better ST and like 13% higher prio damage

[rose ibex]

Also super chill to play

Get tip stacks. Burn tip stacks

Dont stop pressing buttons

[meager ginkgo]

Has our preferred talents changed at all?

[mortal crag]

the ragish of despair is staring at u rn

[ashen trout]

are you guys still playing slayer for AA?

or is colo the vibe there now too

[mortal crag]

colo

everywhere

ETA GG

[ashen trout]

pog

[rose ibex]

Yellow fist man

[mortal niche]

colossal might resets on key start right? keep forgetting to check

[safe vigil]

Yes, you can only keep heroic might (apex) and imminent demise (slayer)

[tacit crystal]

hi biz

[mortal niche]

big sad, first pull always booty

[tacit crystal]

i enjoyed your seat video

🙂

[rose ibex]

Which hero spec creates the best sandwiches?

[pulsar frost]

wtf is kekkers doing here

[pulsar frost]

first pull is not that bad tho

[safe vigil]

thank you man

[silk zealot]

any updates on the bugged orbs?

[languid torrent]

ight im the one on the left comparing to a log of similiar gear and kill time.

and its a pretty common theme when ive been looking at logs

how are people doing roughly a mil more MS dam

well i guess i should ask, whats some common things i should be looking into regarding that

because i even got 10 more SD procs than the other guy

[upper sleet]

does recrafting gear use another spark of radiance?

[daring pagoda]

no

[shy dagger]

Folks I have a question, my damage on key trash with colosus is ok, doing good on most keys, the issue is with boss damage that I barelly manage to beat tanks dmg

[severe haven]

is fervor of battle bugged? the slam/hs animation isnt playing

[shy dagger]

Is there a good guide to ST dmg with colosus aoe spec?

[nova marsh]

Colo st is just bad

We can help yes but as a spec colo just has some of the worst st in the game

[rose ibex]

I struggle to beat the tank sometimes

[nova marsh]

I mean tanks are also ludicrously overtuned

[rose ibex]

Dude is juiced and hes set up to deal the most damage possible as a templar paladin but still pretty bad

[shy dagger]

I seen prot paladins pool tactical with the puzzle box and wings

and they do dummy dmg

[ionic mica]

would be best to link the log so people can look at what happened

could just be crits, better EP play

better cd usage

[languid torrent]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ghvCcwJ8jZVa9xYn?fight=26&type=damage-done&source=700

yea i noticed i sat on CS for way to long

and so that possibly could be it

[reef glade]

31% crit on ms also not great

could be some rng there

[severe haven]

ohh the fervor of battle animation is just gone huh?

its not bugged, still does the slam dmg

[ionic mica]

yeah the fob animation is gone sadly, idk if its intended. and then also the fob slam doesnt apply deep wounds

[reef glade]

also idk if not looking on log right but did u not combat pot

dont seea reckless or lights potential

[reef glade]

o nvm

yea different category

under cooldowns not dmg buffs

[languid torrent]

yee

[vast hinge]

How big is the deep wounds not applying on cleave gonna impact survivabiltiy? We get a bit of leach from it yeah?

[reef glade]

i think tho if u could get sim to pull it off crit flask/reck pot usually better

assuming pot gives u crit

but even if it doesnt imagine crit flask usually ideal unless u have insanely high crit

[raw sapphire]

Is colossus smash resetting the cooldown of cleave still?

[ionic mica]

that would be the main thing to work on for sure

the gap in the middle is way too big

[languid torrent]

yea i did some simming today and swapping ring enchants as well as crit flask but the different between reckless and lights is like ~100ish dps

[reef glade]

think usually more significant than that but could be causing issues if crit isnt high enough

[languid torrent]

yea i did some more digging as saw the casts was like down by basically 2 compared to other logs

[reef glade]

yea cs v good

[languid torrent]

yea.......

bring back WA's man

[reef glade]

also you 'probably' save bladestorm for cs/ava overlaps if they're nearby

[languid torrent]

i know 1 BS i fucked

[ionic mica]

from the replay i would guess you either forget to press cs or you are holding for adds

but either way dont xD

[languid torrent]

i tried to sneak it into the end of a CS

[ionic mica]

which you seem to know so all g

[languid torrent]

yea when we killed it the first time the adds kinda didnt die fast

so i figured i would, then they got obliterated so i was like welp

[sudden owl]

is the slam thing with fervor of battle not a bug? why isn't it on the wowhead page yet @ important people

[ionic mica]

probably the most you could do to help would be to press sweeping as the adds are spawning