arms

[mortal crag]

arms is just

mega braindead

and feels better

[gaunt canyon]

When in doubt blame tank then healer then the hunter

[mortal crag]

this eason

[gaunt canyon]

And only then yourself

[viscid fossil]

it does feel better dont get me wrong

but i think thats bc its not as dull as fury

even with cleave spam

[calm hollow]

world 1k guilds do HC week 1, what do you mean?

[mortal crag]

fury just sucks

[viscid fossil]

at least it reflects on the meter, on fury you are still behind real classes

[mortal crag]

and is harder in terms of actually performing closer to ur true bis

[viscid fossil]

idk about that

nah im aware the raid doesnt say shit

[astral yarrow]

there is also less than 100 arms parses on most bosses

[radiant patio]

And that's a lot? It's sub 1%

[viscid fossil]

what

[calm hollow]

yes, world 1k are ppl who hit cutting edge the last weeks of the patch

thats pretty bad

[astral yarrow]

you are saying you have to giga optimize m0s and raid 7 days a week to do hc week 1

[slow saddle]

Thats me🤣

[mortal rivet]

That’s bad?

[viscid fossil]

its still not unrealistic just bc ppl dont do it

[mortal rivet]

What?

[calm hollow]

yes?

[slow saddle]

Hc week 1 is what we did

[viscid fossil]

i killed everything but last boss in pugs week 1

[calm hollow]

not bad bad

but not good

[slow saddle]

Not cosmos though

[mortal rivet]

How many people do you think are fully clearing heroic week 1?

[burnt gale]

are the bonus rolls still bugged?

[slow saddle]

Easier 2 pug

[viscid fossil]

ya but thats bc pug culture is aids

[mortal rivet]

Like I know we’re in an echo chamber

[slow saddle]

U have unlimoted hours

[viscid fossil]

and if you had a real team with people that learn its not an issue

[radiant patio]

Yea if you treat the game like a fucking job it's realistic, if not then no, mythic raiding is hard as shit man what are we talking about here? HC week 1 is also really hard

[calm hollow]

idk, do we consider pugs ppl? cause they for sure dont clear HC week 1

[slow saddle]

I think we killed cosmos later though. No rewards. And having 2 raid nights clearing normal + hc wss ebuff

[viscid fossil]

true

[slow saddle]

Not the avg pug. But there is a space for

[viscid fossil]

i mean the average pug doesnt even have voice

[slow saddle]

Ppl that raid limitid hours as a guild

[viscid fossil]

so idk

[slow saddle]

But have 4-5 degens

I like hc clears

I get 2 c lura

[viscid fossil]

why do you need to treat it like a job to kill hc?

[slow saddle]

Balloran as cosmos

Tbh mythic raiding doesnt start v4 dragons

Like fr.

Its heroic esque bosses

[calm hollow]

thats debatable, mythic endbosses are indeed hard, before nerfs, but 80% of mythic is not that hard, if you are half decent and have some working braincells

[slow saddle]

Different from tier 2 tier

But this tier doesnt have real roadblock until cosmos id say

Seeing paladins nerfed

We got 2% morr dmg now

And heal

[calm hollow]

2% more dam, boss had 5% less hp, way easier

[slow saddle]

It is indeed

I mean paladins with 4 not 8 dispels🤣😅

[calm hollow]

if you are a progress LFR raider, then sure mythic is hard, FOR YOU

sorry to say that

[slow saddle]

I mean azrakan

It is hard

[calm hollow]

i dont say its easy, by any means

[slow saddle]

But mythic raiding vs 18s...

[calm hollow]

hard is just different for all ppl

[slow saddle]

Well id prob say 18s harder with current gear

[astral yarrow]

depends on gear level and how nerfed the boss you get to is

[wet zinc]

why are most people not using puzzle box for keys? Seems like most people are not using an on use trinket

[slow saddle]

M+ teaches u defensive usage

[viscid fossil]

are the minidelves worth doing

[slow saddle]

Becoz we have so much cdr

[viscid fossil]

wt

h

[calm hollow]

we hate box

[astral yarrow]

cause it feels ass to play with

[viscid fossil]

use box

[astral yarrow]

Its good and it sort of lines up

but its just a hassle

[twilit flare]

only good on fury

[crystal radish]

HI guys, is anyone know what is Haste cap and Crit cap ?

thx ❤️

[astral yarrow]

nah, its good for arms as well

[viscid fossil]

its so much mastery its pretty good

[astral yarrow]

100%

[calm hollow]

u dont have to worry about it, you wont hit it

[twilit flare]

two passives >>

[viscid fossil]

and for m+ you can easily use it while tank pulls

[wet zinc]

ive got mythic box in vault but im kinda refusing to take it lol

[viscid fossil]

and if you gotta build stacks first, its still a phat gain

[crystal radish]

i have 28% & 29% On crit / Haste ? Should i priorize smth?

[astral yarrow]

understandable

[naive steeple]

Hey everyone, can someone explain why in all the Sims games I create, Monk is superior to Warrior, but in Warcraftlogs Warrior always has a higher overall rating?

[crystal radish]

279ilvl

[astral yarrow]

and a good choice for your mental

[calm hollow]

prio what raidbots tells you

[boreal bay]

you can hit soft caps with trinket procs, but it shouldn't matter. Just sim yourself

[astral yarrow]

you just sim your guy on raidbots and equip what it tells you

no thinky

[crystal radish]

yup but what i want to know is Caping

from when does Crit stop scalling ?

[astral yarrow]

sims take that into account

it doesnt stop scaling

[crystal radish]

ok

[calm hollow]

if raidbots tells you its good, its good

[astral yarrow]

theres diminishing returns on stats

[crystal radish]

thx guys ❤️

were do u look on raid bots ?

[boreal bay]

First softcap is at 1380

If that's your question

[viscid fossil]

where did you look

from what ive seen ww was a bit stronger in most cases

[umbral badger]

the fact that we can catalyst belt means i need same number of items from a few dungeons :p

[gaunt canyon]

Hard cap is technically 126% for everything except mastery thats a little different

[naive steeple]

Warcraftlogs top damage, arms vs Monk, but when I use Raidbots to simulate overall damage in a lane, Monk is always superior.

[gaunt canyon]

10% diminishing return from 30-39%, 20% from 39-47%, so on so forth

[umbral badger]

so i need 3 items from pit of saron, about 4 from nexus point, 3 from caverns , from windspire

[viscid fossil]

ya what metric, difficulty etc

[gaunt canyon]

Theres a wowhead guide that I think is still up to date

[astral yarrow]

just sim top gear and slap your simc dump in there

[naive steeple]

That's what I don't understand, how can he be superior to Warrior and still deal less damage than Arms in Logs

[umbral badger]

so if we need same number of items from al lthose dungeons what am i gambling on boys 😮

[astral yarrow]

fight design

[viscid fossil]

for raids, ww beats warr on every difficulty

[gentle nacelle]

54k when cds up 278 ilvl all embelishments what i do wrong? SINGLE TARGET

[slow saddle]

L?

[astral yarrow]

fight design dictates much more than a 5min st sim does

[slow saddle]

Not in execute phase no buffs

[viscid fossil]

also, it doesnt do less damage looking at raid logs

[slow saddle]

Also go check boss dmg // important mobs

[viscid fossil]

what are you on about

[slow saddle]

He prob talkin the includin dragon + pala

[astral yarrow]

man give me a chance to understand the spanish

[calm hollow]

moderated too fast

couldnt even translate

[viscid fossil]

damn spanish porn? didnt see

[naive steeple]

But I simulated it in all scenarios: AoE for 40 seconds, single target for 3 minutes, and even an entire dungeon route, and in all of them the Monk is superior.

[gentle nacelle]

It was golem reinfoced dummy there was no execute phase u mean 2x execute then uppgraded mortal?

[slow saddle]

I mean the sim includes raid buffs

[naive steeple]

Hahahahaha It os portuguese brazil

[slow saddle]

And execute phase

[viscid fossil]

moink is not superior to arms on aoe

[naive steeple]

That's not what The Sims says, that's what I'm trying to understand haha

[viscid fossil]

so might want to revisit the settings

[ionic mica]

i mean a 40s all cds with BL monk would blast

[astral yarrow]

5 min st is what every spec is most optimized around. How much work goes into optimizing more and more targets varies a lot. Still, its just a simulation, not reality. Fight design is whats gonna dictate how good classes are on each fight

[ionic mica]

but then sleep for 2mins

[naive steeple]

But both are being simulated with the same benefits

[viscid fossil]

aoe. the st burst is juiced

[dim basalt]

Got Garfrost hammer with speed gg

[viscid fossil]

to a certain extent that goes for aoe but cleave is tupid

[dim basalt]

Not a wheelchair anymore

[viscid fossil]

monks are also more flexible with their cds which is nice

[naive steeple]

That's because that's generally the average time it takes for a pack to die and move on.

[pulsar berry]

man

[slow saddle]

Gz

[ionic mica]

im just explaining why a 40s pull would show monks doing a lot of damage

[pulsar berry]

arms actually feels so ass now in raid LOL

[ionic mica]

its cool to know i guess but not relevant to the overall strength of a spec really

[pulsar berry]

still can't really play colossus but slayer lost most of its reliable aoe

[boreal bay]

I got it with my first bonus roll xD no speed tho

[ionic mica]

and as aagaard said, its just sims not reality

[wind hatch]

how

[steep escarp]

Nerf MS another 5%, buff devourer.

[dim basalt]

I also got the crit haste ring on heroic in the same run, might sim better than the NPX one

[pulsar berry]

I actually kinda liked where we were prior to this patch

[viscid fossil]

dw uhdk will get another buff to counteract the trauma they get from being bugged today

[wind hatch]

the loss of deep wounds on cleave is not very relevant other than paladins

arms feels better than it did before the patch in raid imo

[dim basalt]

Hey Im also traumatized from MW not working through FoB

[ionic mica]

"we fixed the UHDK bugs and to compensate we will buff all damage by 20%"

[pulsar berry]

it's about losing reap proc on ms is the biggest thing

if you want to do any reasonable aoe in slayer you need to either go cleave or pray for sudden death procs

[slow saddle]

Not rly

[steep escarp]

They killed San’Layn though and that actually hurt my soul

[slow saddle]

It was so low on ms

Reliable my ass

[slow saddle]

Also pets are bugged

[charred brook]

UH dk was bugged in wcl last night, all 3 dks pet damage was logged onto 1 dk

So 1 dk got a 100 parse the other 2 got Grey's

Lmao

They combined to form 1 alpha dk

[fresh spire]

[ionic mica]

their own fault for playing dk 🙂

[fresh spire]

Small indie company

[umbral badger]

i just think people are blowing the mortal strike thing way out of proportion.

[slow saddle]

Yup

The issue with slayer is bad st

[fresh spire]

Ms was like 2% your aoe

[steep escarp]

I’m pretty sure I’ve had that happen before this patch

[fresh spire]

You got way more from the bladestorm buff

[charred brook]

I just wish I could press execute more

[steep escarp]

Specifically with army’s

[charred brook]

I love that button

[slow saddle]

Yup

[pulsar berry]

my mythic chimaerus kill last week reap the storm was 10% of my dps, this week even taking cleave it was less than 4%

[charred brook]

I miss dragonflight exe-exe-mortal strike

[pulsar berry]

like

that's ass

[slow saddle]

M8 sd

Seems 2 procc less

[umbral badger]

ty, been saying this... it's like bladestorm buff made slayer even more newplayer friendly on lower keys now xd one BS and you are good you secured your aoe part :d

[charred brook]

Oh speaking of cleave reaps

Does it feel like cleave is like not proccing reap

[slow saddle]

No

[charred brook]

I was paying super close attention and I didnt get a single cleave reap proc in trash yesterday

[fresh spire]

1/5 cleaves should on average proc. Its going to feel ass

[umbral badger]

there is NO WAY that the mortal strike changed pushed your reap from 10% to 4%

[bronze nest]

Ravager in ST - do we cleave while ravager is active? or we slam all the way ?

[slow saddle]

Slam

[fresh spire]

Read the bottom part of ravager

[steep escarp]

Cleave is a stinky button in ST now

[slow saddle]

Yup

5% nerf

[fresh spire]

It's bait. The damage you gain to cleave over slam is so small it's not worth doing. Your better off holding ravager for aoe situations

Like later adds/bosses stacking etc.

[viscid fossil]

cleave being bad for st isnt that bad off a design

[wind hatch]

a lot of that reap damage before was probably single target

[viscid fossil]

but not buffing something else is classic bliz

[steep escarp]

I much prefer that button never being pressed in ST, hard agree.

[slow saddle]

They buffed slam

[bronze nest]

Thats why Im asking

[urban estuary]

Do we ever play Slayer for m+ after the patch?

[viscid fossil]

esp when they literally have HS as a st spell

[slow saddle]

Sadly fervor slam isnt proccin wounds atm

[viscid fossil]

that isnt even always available lmao

[slow saddle]

Tbh hs buff hs 50%

Let it fuck

[umbral badger]

best change ever, i am so done with cleaving on ST, felt so bad pushing a skill that does not have any synergy with 4 set "on single target" or with apex

[slow saddle]

In my hc run

[umbral badger]

now we use the skill that can give us more heroic strike feels good

[slow saddle]

I had a 5 / 6 strech of pressin slam ( includes ms) with no resrt

[umbral badger]

what the, seriously ?

blizzard fix your game !

[slow saddle]

I wanna know, if our tactician is broken atm

[wet maple]

AA only I think

[slow saddle]

No dungeons ixbet

Aa has dangerous trash as well

[boreal bay]

with new changes I feel there's a random demolish in between next CS. Are you guys using it or holding?

[dim basalt]

I just perma send unless cs is within few seconds

[slow saddle]

Idgaf i send

[umbral badger]

btw my char is asking for a lot of crit again now

so i guess that's good ? i like crit more after all

[slow saddle]

Yup

[umbral badger]

as colossus ofc

[spark mango]

do you guys think anything happens if i make a ticket about getting duplicate item? or is it futile?

[pulsar hollow]

[slow saddle]

U make a ticket

But doubt they can help

Its just 1 roll though

[umbral badger]

getting more crit as colossus will always feel good

[spark mango]

just take away the second ring, damn it

[fair topaz]

Slayer arms is in the bin with this update, absolutely atrocious overall damage

[slow saddle]

Consider it a bad vault

[umbral badger]

is this unbuffed ?

[dim basalt]

Nah with flask

[leaden ice]

is it time to be happy?

[umbral badger]

ah ok so we are roughly same

[spark mango]

it was a bad vault, i took out bonus loot and i got duplicate XD

[slow saddle]

So

[inner wasp]

mid

[slow saddle]

I got socket twice in a row capped at 280

[inner wasp]

id sooner take a reroll

[umbral badger]

i probably need to shift some haste to crit for colossus now, ofc slayer wouldn't like that sadly.

so i will have to have items for both specs i guess

[leaden ice]

I didnt play yet today, but lemme clarify: Using the extra roll on a +10 gives you myth track gear, so far so good.
Using it on a heroic boss doesnt give you myth track right?

[slow saddle]

Right

[granite swift]

so much shit out of sync on colo its so annoying to play

[leaden ice]

ait thanks

[slow saddle]

Not rly

Avatar and cs aligns

Rav aligns with cs

[azure jungle]

guys what is the best one now for raid ?

[slow saddle]

Dk

Or aug

[naive steeple]

I think Colossus is fun to play, I don't see why there's so much hate in that spec.

[slow saddle]

Because the cdr shit

[azure jungle]

f dk war for ever 😂 i mean as spec

[steep escarp]

It’s fun to play if you pull trash into bosses

[slow saddle]

The cdr is a mess lets not pretend it isnr

[naive steeple]

Hitting high on every pack and always having Burst is fun

[granite swift]

no dont get me wrong i like it, and i know it syncs okay, but some runs when one thing gets out of sync it feels eeeh

[viscid fossil]

i can picture the gm answer about how they cant do anything...un4ch

[granite swift]

do you guys hold to get back into sync or just send if something goes off

[spark mango]

from the day they created this spec, the developer had this annoying idea not to put demolish on anger management, and we paying for his stuborness ever since, because no matter how much cdr you get with SS, you still wait for cs window

[slow saddle]

U never send avatar without cs

[umbral badger]

the hate is just about the problems that exist in the spec that blizzard refuse to address, remember that blizzard have been fixing DKS and DH every time they farted wrong.

[slow saddle]

So naturally it aligns at a point🤣

[umbral badger]

like dks can just cough and blizzard would jump to fix them

[slow saddle]

Also can they give us more rage soon?

• make hs free???

[spark mango]

make demolish hit hard, put it on anger management, problem solved

[slow saddle]

Lol more cdr??

No thank yoy

[spark mango]

without the current cdr system

just line it up with cs all the time

[umbral badger]

yup, that's literally it in fact i know what we need now. buff to 40% attack speed or something 😄

then we will have more haste

i mean more rage *

[spark mango]

Demolish without needing to stack up and being on same cd/cdr as Cs is dream

[slow saddle]

Demo replacin cs

Isbdream

Seeing cs does 0 dmg

[tidal phoenix]

colossuss is better in M+ right ?

[umbral badger]

ofc making that thing 40% would buff fury but it's not like fury are having the best time in their lives anyway xd

so i don't care if fury is buffed by pushing wildstrikes to 40% melee attack speed

[slow saddle]

Like fr

I dont understand how their st tuning can be this out of whack

[still fox]

when we have already bis weapon from pit, bonus rolls again on pit yeah? neck, ring, head? (non raider)

[scarlet garnet]

I got question about myth saladbar. guilds progging it, when orbs spawn, they are literally legging mr salad to the complete opposite side of the room. do I stay on boss, or do i charge over, ignroing boss dmg (which the guild already struggles with) or do i say something and ask them to tank him closer to the orbs to cleave off. like what is the strat here

[umbral badger]

i am honestly surprised that warriors getting benched by the few top guilds that killed last bosses is not enough for blizzard to panic fix the issue.

[spark mango]

what i hate about playing warrior this season is that we are just a buff class, we cant burst aoe mobs in raid, we dont have big execute phase like before, class idenitity is gone, execute phase barely increases my damage

[slow saddle]

M8 not only top guilds

[umbral badger]

like any company should instant panic when their player base are officially "benched/not allowed to play" because blizzard sucks

[slow saddle]

Top 100 guiøds

[pulsar berry]

yeah our damage profile is incredibly flat

[shy dew]

welcome to warrior

[pulsar berry]

we don't really offer anything in specific

[umbral badger]

i know because other guilds will also copy, even top 2k guilds would do it

[slow saddle]

Flat would be ok

If we simmed in the dk range

[pulsar berry]

oh yeah I mean flat + mediocre

[umbral badger]

so yes i am surprised blizzaard does not panic when their player base is benched cuz of poor balancing or design

[hushed patrol]

any guild with a roster superior than 20

[slow saddle]

But ideal scenario we are 20% behind at least

20%

[pulsar berry]

but like a lower overall class can be worth if they have giga burst especially in a tier like this

[slow saddle]

Thats insane

[slow saddle]

This

Sadly the bursty classes also have best overall atm

[spark mango]

season 3 dragon flight, i would play arms in dungeons with exeute build that had thunder clap attached to it, so much fun

[pulsar berry]

yeah we don't have burst either

[slow saddle]

Ikr

[pulsar berry]

why play arm when devourer better in st and aoe

[slow saddle]

And execute

[umbral badger]

how dare you spread misinformation, have you seen our "burst" as warriors ? we burst on opener for example you see classes at 400k while arms warrior "slayer" is like 120k

lol

[fair topaz]

Legit rerolling to fotm after this patch, slayer arms was all I enjoyed

[slow saddle]

Trueth

[umbral badger]

like not only do warrirs not have anything near top burst classes, they also have shit overall

[pulsar berry]

yeah I don't catch up with anybody in my guild until execute phase

[slow saddle]

Keep enjoyin king

Can still funnel and get title np

[pulsar berry]

like the aug evokers literally hit the same opener that i do xd

[slow saddle]

The reason they bring u os still there

[fair topaz]

Bro my dps is depressing, I feel like I am trolling my group

[umbral badger]

exactly, in fact when we did the heroic beloren "when it was released" i went colossus for the egg burst phase, cuz slayer is not bursting that shit

[slow saddle]

Thats not spec

[spark mango]

not having execeute in raid as arms is brutal

[slow saddle]

U mean owning

[spark mango]

at least make fataliity 100%

[umbral badger]

our execute is fine as slayer just not colossus ofc

[slow saddle]

If they bring funnel into bosses

[slow saddle]

Its not fibe

[spark mango]

its fine for ret paladin, not arms

[slow saddle]

Its meh

[pulsar berry]

it would be nice if they made a lot of the execute focused talents baseline

[fair topaz]

I went from being top dps to trailing people with lower gear, these nerfs hit hard

[spark mango]

i want to go back to the times i would climb from 8th dps to 1 from 35% to 0%

[pulsar berry]

at LEAST improved execute should be baseline lmao

[umbral badger]

i don't know at least as slayer i get 20k+ dps once we reach execute phase, it means execute is fine but overall is trash

[slow saddle]

Overall is not arms

[umbral badger]

meaning , you can say "execute is fine, but the aura buff is still needed"

[scarlet garnet]

I got question about myth saladbar. guilds progging it, when orbs spawn, they are literally legging mr salad to the complete opposite side of the room. do I stay on boss, or do i charge over, ignroing boss dmg (which the guild already struggles with) or do i say something and ask them to tank him closer to the orbs to cleave off. like what is the strat here

[umbral badger]

so if we do 80k preexecute then 100k with execute that's still fine

[slow saddle]

Str is the funnel and prio dmg

[umbral badger]

but if we do 70k and 90 k that's trash

[spark mango]

this execute system doesnt give us idenitity, its like buffing hammer of wrath for paladin

[pulsar berry]

at least I think arms is still totally fine in m+, prooobably better than fury

[slow saddle]

Lies

[pulsar berry]

but in raid it's not so good

[slow saddle]

System is great

Numbers bad

Exe into ep me like

[pulsar berry]

if they buff rage economy it would help execute phase the most since we'd be getting full rage executes instead of min rage executes to proc ep

[slow saddle]

Its just ms and exe hittin wet noodle style

[spark mango]

was always liket his but we had juggernaut

[umbral badger]

the way they cooked execute so much as a rotational spell you can change the name of the skill and it will make more sense anyway. my only issue is only with colossus being forced into execute when it is not even a part of it's actual rotation "kinda is, forcefully, a part of it"

[slow saddle]

Juggernaut suuuuuucked

[umbral badger]

like it no longer is execute for slayer, it is just a random proc spell

[spark mango]

nope, i loved juggernaut on fury in legion and after that on arms

[pulsar berry]

this heavily depends on a lot of things, most guilds are having melee sit on boss or the small orbs

[slow saddle]

U sir are a dumb arse then

With no grasp of tuning

[umbral badger]

i just can't stop hating execute for colossus, paying 40 rage on execute is worse than paying 20 rage "cuz both will bleed and both will give you executioner stack"

[spark mango]

if you looked at dps from 35% to 0 dps, arms was always highest

[slow saddle]

Bo

No

[umbral badger]

so the fact that the mroe rage execute consumes the worst it is for colossus feels so aweful

[slow saddle]

No

No

[spark mango]

we are having a discussion, no need to be rude

[slow saddle]

Juggernaut kept arms down

Did u not raid????

[scarlet garnet]

i might have a chat to em because i literally am losing damage everywhere from charging and leaping so far to just slap an orb that dies in 5 seconds

[slow saddle]

15 stacks b4 u could compete

[spark mango]

i dont talk to rude people , sry

[dim basalt]

Juggernaut was an abomination to Arms

[slow saddle]

My man does not understsnd tuning

[ruby flower]

Should i pick the ring? or do we but the bonusrolls into nexus point for the ring combo?

[slow saddle]

As in how u are tuned around shit

[slow saddle]

Do u raid

As in prim focus

[ruby flower]

ye i do

[umbral badger]

am gonna go for nexus perosnally, also your vault ended up being a copy of mine 😄

[slow saddle]

If m+ take ring, if raid hoard rolls

[ruby flower]

well i wont use all Rolls for nexus

need 1 for gaze

[slow saddle]

So

[ruby flower]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/diP6Z4jBHvhFNqFdKRMyY7

[slow saddle]

U hold

Until u got 8

[ruby flower]

ring combo simmed better at max ilvl

[slow saddle]

And gaze obtained

[ruby flower]

ye gaze is prio 1

[umbral badger]

the thing is belt is bis when you catalyst, so many dungeons have decent loot table cuz of catalysts on brcers / rings

[ruby flower]

i got myth cata belt 😄

[umbral badger]

but yes whenever vault is trash you can get one extra roll for dungeons

or a socket ofc

[ruby flower]

@slow saddle why hold till 8 ?

[slow saddle]

Im gonna need 7 coins eoth my luck

[umbral badger]

i went for 1 extra roll

so i will roll 2 on chim and 1 on nexus point probably

[slow saddle]

Complete loot table

0 risk of wasting vault

[ruby flower]

ah i see

ye makes sense

[slow saddle]

Unless rolls are changed

[umbral badger]

can vault be wasted techincally, now that we can buy coins from it

[slow saddle]

Yes

If u take anythin from vault from np

[umbral badger]

cuz in the grand scheme of things you will just end up with all your bis ver yfast with how coins work and vault works

[slow saddle]

And u wanna roll from np

U risk duplicate

[umbral badger]

thing is

[slow saddle]

Where as waitin a bit lets u c vault

[umbral badger]

pit of saron is trash, like i don't wanna roll on pit of saron just cuz the weapon will give me 0.2% ST dps for slayer

[slow saddle]

And then the werk u need, u do np and bonus rolø until done

[slow saddle]

Neck?

[umbral badger]

that's teh thing it is the neck vs the 2 rings and the 2 rings are winning

[ruby flower]

is socket for the myth belt an idea?

[slow saddle]

Id 100% craft neck // get from raid

[ruby flower]

or bonus rolls > socket

[hushed topaz]

Raid bosses use 2 rolls just in case you didn’t know

[slow saddle]

U always can depends

[umbral badger]

yes but i am talking about the roll you get overcap from vault

[slow saddle]

Like takin socket 2 bis item never bad

[ruby flower]

ah wait

i should use it on the crafted wrists

i think

[slow saddle]

Yes

[hasty pumice]

@latent moss

[slow saddle]

Well both

[hasty pumice]

you're welcome

[lunar acorn]

how is arms doing in keys after the changes did you feel anything ?

[tranquil oar]

guys is it me or colossus feels weird after the changes ?

[slow saddle]

What weap u got?

[patent cairn]

+1, i think it plays weirder now, but maybe just getting used to the new shit.

[slow saddle]

It actually does agreed

Dno why but agreed

[pulsar berry]

i miss pressing cleave 4 times instead of 3 tbh

[tranquil oar]

will test slayer on pit 18 now to see

[umbral badger]

@slow saddle so basically this is the difference , keep in mind belt is with socket so it's much lower than it is showing here "cuz i can't get the socket yet" same for bracers , cuz my hero bracers has a socket and i will craft bracers next week anyway if no bracers dropped randomly by the coin

[safe jay]

yeah i can rarly benefit from the additional CDR on Demolish in AoE since i have to wait for WB

[umbral badger]

so basically pit and nexus are about as good in some sense. and will eventually need to roll on both

[umbral badger]

my weapon is crafted

[slow saddle]

Hmm so u simmin with the hunt

Vs 1 emb?

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-electric-shock-pigman-electrocuted-electric-gif-13739997527188393816

[slow saddle]

Coz i got a significant lift from weap

[umbral badger]

it is a 1 enemy sim cuz i care about raid dps primarily, can always do good dps in m+ even if stats are slightly off

[slow saddle]

1% for a 289 with worse stays

[kind stag]

yeah dont you go 2x arcano with m+ wep?

[slow saddle]

I dod

[umbral badger]

so your weapon is not crafted ?

[slow saddle]

Yes

But o swotchdd

To m+ weap + 2 arcano weave

[umbral badger]

yes , i think the rule of thumb is if you don't have crafted weapon pit of saron is 100% your best dungeon

[hasty pumice]

https://imgur.com/mftGPmI

[umbral badger]

if you have a crafted weapon you can go for either pit of saron or nexus point.

ofc there are other pieces in pit of saron too

but i do have myth helmet nad chest

so not for me

[kind stag]

belt is good too

[umbral badger]

yes but belt sims high cuz it has socket

at least i do sims with socket

so in reality the immediate gain fro mthe belt won't be as much as it seems

[crisp mesa]

do we still play slayer in raid?

[umbral badger]

but yea i have 4 good items in nexus point, and 3 good items in pit so i guess i gotta go nexus point

[pulsar berry]

early testing points to yes for the most part

colo is a lot more competitive but slayer still seems like the go to on most fights

[wet maple]

Colossus on paladins I assume?

[kind stag]

ofc

[pulsar berry]

def on paladins, it may be better on imperator and chimaerus but I'm not certain

[umbral badger]

guys when are we getting the weapon upgrade thing ?

[calm hollow]

ST slayer

[umbral badger]

i think someone said 4 weeks ?

[shy dew]

i can feel another ST buff

we need like 2 more weeks at ST buff

and will be decent

[wet maple]

Colo to stat pad on dragon adds obviously

[umbral badger]

colo is the best boss dmg on dragons as a warrior anyway

[umbral badger]

why, why would you give us hope bruv 😭

[shy dew]

we need it

[rancid willow]

Wowhead rotation still accurate post patch?

[kind stag]

think it was updated yday

[vast helm]

so true

[shy dew]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hope-bloodborne-2-meme-MyzZOxNs3lJjjeInlt

[flat willow]

Sorry I think you are smelling the next dev dh buff

[wet maple]

Really? Aren’t they never really close enough together to cleave?

[flat willow]

Also another fury warrior nerf for good measure

[rancid willow]

Someone high up at Blizz has their entire bedroom covered in illidan/DH collectibles and memorabilia…prob have their wife dress up in DH cosplay during intimate moments…

Bc only that explains blizzards unending love for that fucking class

[flat willow]

Lucky bastard...

[old glacier]

Time to gamba on PoS I guess.

[umbral badger]

in mythic strat ppl keep both bosses in close range

so guys when are we getting the 10 ilevels for weapons?

[manic egret]

Do u get myth track gear from any raid difficulty or u need to kill boss in myth?

[umbral badger]

i wanna decide on my next dungeon best of this

[nova marsh]

Mythic

[umbral badger]

rolls *

[kind stag]

4 weeks

[manic egret]

Sry meant for bonus roll

[umbral badger]

4 weeks so i have more than enough time to worry about the weapon later

[manic egret]

same?

[umbral badger]

ty

[wind hatch]

yes

[nova marsh]

Yes its the same as vault

[manic egret]

thanks

[wet maple]

Ah okay, my extremely mediocre ass is not mythic raiding lol

But good to know

[umbral badger]

no worries eventually more guilds will be doing it in mythic

is the max ilevel i can get from the coin is in mythic + 10 or above ?

actually nvm i will just do a 14 or 15 or something

[old glacier]

Its 10

[wet maple]

Allegedly rolling in different key levels resets the pool so be careful

So if you roll in a 10 and then in a 12 you can get the same item

Again, allegedly

[pulsar berry]

i sim 90k st and my uh friend sims 135k st

the balance is good this season i think

[kind stag]

sims can be also wack

i still sim higher on fury and i never get close to arms with fury lol

[wind hatch]

I am actually such a fraud

[wet maple]

Jesus dude

[wind hatch]

these are fake as fuck but ill take it lol

[wet maple]

Fake how?

[wind hatch]

midseason patch resets all the parses so competition is low

[wet maple]

Nah frame the screenshot. Rank 1 Arms

[kind stag]

gonna be grey by the end of the week

[wet maple]

No context needed

[wind hatch]

its already locked in

[wet maple]

Start that liquid application

[wind hatch]

maybe recruiters will stop ghosting me now😎

[surreal spade]

sup bois

u are running colossus all keys now ?

[kind stag]

im not running it at all atm

[storm canopy]

Slayer? Or col

[kind stag]

i play slayer and its more fun, easier and better for lot of pug tanks who are terrorists

[wind hatch]

slayer for both

bladestorm kinda fucks now on averzian

[storm canopy]

Huge

[little seal]

hi guys

this question has been asked probably 100 times

[candid kindle]

I don’t like how slayer plays

[little seal]

do i press Demolish with no warbreaker?

or do i wait

[soft flower]

you posted here befoe already

[pale agate]

biz says send on CD

[young rune]

not this guy

[wind hatch]

archi is saying to wait for cs

[candid kindle]

With the new changes just send

[wind hatch]

i think its very close

[candid kindle]

If wb is 10s away

Just wait

[dim basalt]

If wb is just 10s away you will be able to send next demo in the cs window

In aoe

[flint turret]

@little seal Just reroll HUNTER

[candid kindle]

If wb is idk 20s away

Just send

[flint turret]

https://tenor.com/view/jew-jewish-jewish-dance-dancing-jews-street-gif-7807562535963763673

[dim basalt]

Sending demo on cd feels way better imo

[candid kindle]

Therés 100% conditions to this

[dim basalt]

Nope

[candid kindle]

If demo is up and u have like 20s wb on cd

Just send demo

[dim basalt]

TCs simmed both and theyre just 0.3% apart

You can do whatever you want bud

[candid kindle]

U can get as much as 20s cd red with the changes

[dim basalt]

I can send demo with just 10s left on cs and I can send the next demo inside the cs window

Its whatever

[boreal bay]

you stole it from me with those PIs

I hate you

[viscid fossil]

there has to be a threshold aka if it comes up right after a cs or if next cs is in like 10s

[kind stag]

so no good answer for peelove

unfortunate

[wind hatch]

lmaoo

[dim basalt]

If you cared enough you could read up what Archi said about holding vs sending

[wind hatch]

3 PI strat op

[viscid fossil]

nice i got deserter bc i couldnt zone in to lfr dreamrift

bc encounter was in progress

[kind stag]

2 dollar company

[viscid fossil]

i like complaining about blizz but its a bit much lately

[daring creek]

is there any haste cap, where you can send 2 demolishes each wb window?

[clever crag]

Where he said that ?

Im still going off Biz video where he said all arms cds are worthless without CS

[stuck yacht]

any change in talents build for m+?

[kind stag]

for what

[exotic horizon]

with new change in aoe do you guys 2xDemo for every 1x CS ?

[clever crag]

You prolly have to

[ashen trout]

got a myth guidon last night pog

[clever crag]

I want sóar or puzzle

Solar

[exotic horizon]

i do now CS > Demo > MS > Cleave > Cleave > cleave > MS . is it wrong ? i feal MS is OP due to demolish coming back super fast and i am able to get 2 Demo without delaying CS

[winter hedge]

Best trinket : chimareus+ voracius?

[hard dragon]

Is anybody else's unit frames still fucked after updating them?

[exotic horizon]

you guys go right into CLeave after Demo or you MS ?

[clever crag]

Not for m+

m+ you want puzzle or some on use

[winter hedge]

Oh ok thanks

[ashen trout]

in ST/2T do we ever prio slam over OP? maybe at high rage?

[wet maple]

Depends on how many stacks you have no? No reason to spam cleave before demo if you’re already at 10 stacks

[exotic horizon]

ya i am talking in case i have 10 Stack

[acoustic mortar]

my damage in key is absolutely dog compared to yesterday, rotation hasn't changed that much supposedly no ?

[clever crag]

Its over, going prot

[midnight mural]

There is quite alot of benefits to pressing demolish, other than the damage it does, for instance:
It applies deep wounds to all targets hit
Grants you 10% haste for 10 seconds
Gives your next MS 100% crit
Makes enemies take 10% more damage from you for 10 seconds

Surely we dont sit on demolish for 15-20 seconds because cs literally just ran out... In aoe you will most likely have it back up for the next CS window anyway. Ive ran a couple of sims and so far og looks like in aoe you just send demo on cd, unless you need to hold it for like a couple of seconds to like up with wb+rav+cs. Havent done any single target siims because lol

[exotic horizon]

i am talking with 10 stack after i CS i demo and after demo i MS > Cleave cleave cleave > MS . i used to Cleave right after Demo but i feal now MS is so great for brining Demo super fast so i can do another demo in between CS if you know what i mean

[wet maple]

If 10 stacks send demo and use the cleave spam to build stacks back up

[winter hedge]

Why every arm play without activable on mm+?

[white thunder]

On paladins when its 2 targets cleave, do we press cleave at all? Or only when all 3 bosses are together?

[clever crag]

Prolly pugging

[midnight mural]

I like this rota.. makes you have to think a little more about it instead of just always holding for ca

[clever crag]

Unpredictable tanks can ruin your puzzlebox burst

[wet maple]

That’s how I’m doing it too but I’m ass so who knows lmao

[viscid fossil]

F

[wind hatch]

i think with 3 stacks of collat cleave > slam still

[white thunder]

Thanks ^^

[viscid fossil]

ah this is nice ty

[nova marsh]

unpredictable tanks ruin your burst anyways

Puzzlebox or no

[sullen zealot]

just getting my arms started again, seems like a decent moment. i had been put off by the lack of st in m+, and so far i'm feeling it pretty bad even tho im still really early into the characters progression. ive been tempted by going slayer instead and the damage seems comparable from the very few runs ive done, but reading -5% aoe on the recap scares me a bit. is slayer worth it to shore up on st or not?

[nova marsh]

guys

is there any way to tell if you have the leaver debuff?

[spark solstice]

Just don’t leave

[rose ibex]

Puzzlebox is a trap

[nova marsh]

Yeah it's hard to avoid that when my fucking internet crashes

[kind stag]

i play slayer and i dont have issues with reduced AOE for having decent ST

[spark solstice]

Skill issue

[nova marsh]

lmafo

Yeah brb

gonna go 1v1 my ISP

[sullen zealot]

thanks for the input, i'll give it a go 😄

[kind stag]

i recommend it to learn arms because its easier and its less punishing, and generally way better for anything up to 14

[umbral badger]

so far i dont' feel my dps dropped in m+

just gotta squeeze in the extra demo

[viscid fossil]

not taking puzzlebox if you do m+ is a trap

[wet maple]

Are we supposed to presweep first pull of a dungeon to send first demo with 10 stacks or just go right into CS -> cleave spam -> MS and send demo with 5 stacks?

[minor gust]

First pull you can easily pre pop SS to build stacks as tank gathers yes

[white berry]

The question about ST damage is do you need it? If pure ST encounter do not cause problems on your m+ runs do you acutally need more ST damage? Most likely if you dont have problems with ST encounters you benefit more from AOE damage.

[minor gust]

Slayer is more than fine to play the spec owns

[clever crag]

yeah Ive seen Biz do that so I do that lel

sending demo with like 5 or 7 stacks feels weird

[minor gust]

https://www.twitch.tv/bondbl/clip/ArborealCoweringWolfGOWSkull-ZSNKIrPQbOZngfo7
Yes ST matters

[wet maple]

Ok that’s what I’ve been doing but wasn’t sure if the damage difference between 5 and 10 stacks was big enough to delay demos cooldown

[vast helm]

save us

[minor gust]

You aren't really delaying demo anymore than you were just doing x3 cleave + MS because you are building stacks as tank gathers

[umbral badger]

nice first try

lets gooo

[kind stag]

this is preventing me from enjoying colo man its just so trash at st lol

yeah yeah i get it funnel this do that i know

and yes it bangs in aoe but there are classes doing both that and st too

[umbral badger]

getting the crit ring from my first bonus roll feels good

[wet maple]

That list is like demo and devour and that’s it

[halcyon hamlet]

Did they just nerf us in M+ ? Just dropped 20k overall dps since the cleave nerf.

[wind hatch]

huge

i got the weapon from pit on my first roll lol

[lament forge]

I thought the changes were positive for the most part?

[white berry]

Yes, but what problems did the bad ST cause there? other than making streamer feel bad?

[wind hatch]

id say they are

[umbral badger]

nice that's huge too ! i wanna get nexus rings then move to pit sinc i have crafted weapon

[wind hatch]

i had a hero track weapon lmao

[umbral badger]

yea i think if crafted weapon you can start nexus, if hero weapon you can start pit

imo

[minor gust]

Failing the key

[white berry]

did bad ST cause 10 deaths?

lol

[minor gust]

True but to say ST doesn't matter is crazy. If you aren't top overall and pumping aoe as Colo not really a reason to ever play it

[white berry]

I mean sure it could have, if ST encounter took so long that you could not live long enough for example.

[minor gust]

If you are just gonna troll bosses

With no funnel

[umbral badger]

well, at least for the msot part i think the major point is that bad ST does make bosses vastly hardly.

[wind hatch]

bosses take up a pretty significant portion of time in keys, ST is very important even if you arent dying to bosses

[minor gust]

You lose so much time on bosses

In high keys

[latent moss]

magisters has like no funnel

[minor gust]

Yeah

[latent moss]

u can funnel first

and thats it

[wet maple]

Jellyfish boss

Has natural cleave

[vagrant hull]

I need to try some slayer runs this week. I'm just not landing enough Demolish damage outside my normal group where I can kind of expect what the tank is going to do

[minor gust]

[vagrant hull]

that sexy bladestorm damage

[wet maple]

Yeah small pulls or chain pulling seems to really fuck colo

[white berry]

Yes, thats a argument, but there is lots of moving factors in m+. Just looking plainly at pure ST and pure AOE is stupid as hell, because different dungeons have different pull sizes, timings when pulls are done, different amount of bosses. Bosses also might have amps etc.

[umbral badger]

sure, but agian, that argument stands if you are doing "low dps" not "tank dps"

[old glacier]

I feel ike I'm never that guy. The one pumping the most on AOE.

[umbral badger]

the point the guy made in that video is , doing tank dps is unacceptable

which is a valid point

:p

[minor gust]

Doesn't help our funnel is hurt right now too thanks to the FOB bug

[old glacier]

My alt warlock can out aoe my warrior.

[vagrant hull]

In contrast, I feel like Demolish should be higher, hopefully I can make better use out of bladestorm

[kind stag]

having all these conditionals so colo is rly strong just makes it look like a janky spec

think about it

yeah its rly strong if you funnel and do this and do that like

[vagrant hull]

Though to be honest, I'm traditionally not great at optimizing aoe. Something I want to do better at

[umbral badger]

yes that's the other thing that some ppl are saying, if your aoe is all you are here for some other classes can do somewhat same AOE " or better sometimes' and still do more ST

[kind stag]

there are classes that dont care and just pull crazy numbers

[harsh field]

does heroic strike reset our swing timer? i notice mine is going off instantly

[white berry]

But if you get faster trough trash, you have more time for bosses. If bosses taking longer does not break the key, does it matter?

[rare kite]

arms janky spec hmh who would've thought... basically been arms for the last 8 years

[old glacier]

To be fair I just run random pugs. I'm not running with a physical dps comp

[umbral badger]

you can just get other classes for that, and they will do both better.

[viscid fossil]

i press fists of fury on 260 monk and i do the same dps than on 278 fury with no effort

[quartz schooner]

Looking for some outside opinions from the council of warriors on vault.
Still playing fury for some fights in raid (wrapping up Saladbar this week).
Do I go for the nexus haste/mastery ring just because or take the extra reroll to send in Pit for all the upgrades there?

[wet maple]

That list is very short though. Devour and demo lock and that’s sort of it, no?

[old glacier]

Mine is about the same. Might be pressing slam too much.

[umbral badger]

also again, it is just about tank dps is unacceptable, like you can be 20% behind of other dps classes which is fine, but being 50% behind is what ppl are not happy with

[viscid fossil]

whats your other ring. sim tells me i want a crit ring now bc i have so muc hhaste and mastery

[minor gust]

Just play slayer and do good in both

[umbral badger]

probably MM hunter can be added ot that list too and there are classes that have slightly less aoe but much better ST i'd assume

[wet maple]

MM is completely fucked now

[craggy jay]

okay, is Slayer Arms bugged rn or is the Reao The Storm change so massive?

[nova marsh]

Guys

did slam get a new sfx?

[umbral badger]

tbh don't know what's going on for MM in mythic plus after 12.0.5 but at least i can tell you that even BM was doing very well

[vagrant hull]

My slam was cut off but is really close, 5.6% this was in Seat so I'm not sure how much that matters

[wet maple]

Yeah BM seems like a solid all-arounder for sure

[old glacier]

BM is doing well. And I suspect Survival is going to be great too.

[umbral badger]

either way, i think it is completely fair for ppl to not be happy being much weaker in ST. like seriously i never have a problem if i am doing 10% less than the top classes or even 20% but sometimes the gap feels like it is 40% or some shit

[minor gust]

You wanna explain what you mean? Cuz obviously reap is gonna do less with less casts from losing MS reap

[umbral badger]

like when i am on m+ boss and a guy doing 110k ST my char sims 80k in PERFECT pathwerk figh

lol

and ST build

[quartz schooner]

current gear on left side, running Pit ring and the Crit/haste Nexus ring both at Hero track atm

[umbral badger]

not even M=

[wet maple]

Yeah doing literal tank damage in ST sucks unless you’re absolutely blasting in aoe

[craggy jay]

yeah but i just did 15 Nexus and compared to my run from 2 days ago, Reap did 18% overall last time and only 9,3% today

[minor gust]

Yeah no shit

[latent moss]

ive done way above my sim dps multiple times

[wet maple]

Even then it kinda blows. Luckily a lot of bosses this season have multiple targets at least

[latent moss]

in m+

[umbral badger]

my point is, even if you are blasting AoE it here is still a limit to how much less ST you should do.

[latent moss]

its just timings

and luck

[viscid fossil]

lol im blind

[umbral badger]

you know that's not the point i am making though. it's just that classes constantly do 30% or more ST than colossus warrior

[minor gust]

In exchange your BS is actually doing dmg. You gotta look at everything

[umbral badger]

in ST

[wet maple]

Agreed, it’s a good point. Colo ST is definitely way too low for no good reason

[nova marsh]

whelp

RIP bonus rolls

[glossy edge]

what to take ?

[nova marsh]

No garfrost 🙁

But I still get myth weap[

[kind stag]

banger character

ignore gear

[umbral badger]

like you know what, fine let me do tank dps, but let me do 20% mroe AoE than warlcok, how about that trade off? but that trade off is not acceptable from blizzard PoV

[glossy edge]

hahaha

[craggy jay]

not even 2% more on BS so nah, seems kinda shitty to me. hope at least Raid Slayer will be playable

[viscid fossil]

honestly, prob socket if you wanna go arms

[quartz schooner]

All g lol.
Sorry misspoke the Pit ring I have on is myth track just haven't sent crests into jewellery yet

[flat willow]

just did a little magister terrace to test col on the new patch, can't know about the dps cuz I don't know what aug does

but I managed to demolish twice in a single cs like 4 times

[minor gust]

Slayer is playable in both skill issue I guess

[wet maple]

Yeah I don’t get why they want some specs to basically be able to do everything and they don’t give a shit about others

[flat willow]

which was very cool

[quartz schooner]

Socket over reroll?
I figure i'd eventually be sending tokens into nexus Point for the crit/haste ring which is a pretty ok shot at the haste/mastery one anyway

[viscid fossil]

sorry i mean rerolls with socket

coinsÜ

[craggy jay]

probably skill issue, i was fury player for past few years, switched to arms after buffs xD

[flat willow]

but magister terrace gives 5% free haste so maybe that's why

[quartz schooner]

yeye that's what I'm thinking too.
Appreciate the input - tyty

[minor gust]

Are you making sure to hold BS for CS?

[craggy jay]

yep

[nova marsh]

Man loosing 5% haste kinda sucks

[flat willow]

deep wound kinda dead tho

[latent moss]

ye its bugged

not proccing from fob slams

[viscid fossil]

i got lucky on haste mastery gear for fury and it tells me to run weddingring over bifurcation anyway

[flat willow]

oohhh

[wet maple]

Of course it’s not

[viscid fossil]

and omission is similar

[wet maple]

This patch is a mess lmao

[umbral badger]

yea but that would only add 1% or 2% on his overall i would asssume , no ?

[rose matrix]

Anyone know how to fix Cleave and MS not making the hit noise

[umbral badger]

so even if FoB not bugged i think it would still be dead

[nova marsh]

nope

[lament forge]

are u guys still liking colo the most or u do slayer now?

[nova marsh]

wait for blizzard

[rose matrix]

Oh, thought it was just me

[nova marsh]

also, demo has had the no noise issue too for me

or at least it did in the last pit

[rose matrix]

Arms is so much more satisfying with the audio

[umbral badger]

we will see, hopefully they fix the FoB bug thing but honestly while i did like the concept of new deepwounds, i still prefered TWW bleed

TWW bleed felt fun now it's just stressing me out

[nova marsh]

gotta disagree

[flat willow]

my new goal in life is to try and get as many double demolish as I can

[wet maple]

The game within the game

[nova marsh]

TWW arms couldn't decide if it wanted to be a bleed spec or a crit spec

[wet maple]

Can’t wait to verbally berate myself every time I don’t get the second demo

[nova marsh]

also I finally get to take my vault

[umbral badger]

that has nothing to do with what i just said, i just said current bleed is not consistant basically.

[nova marsh]

I don't get the stress tbh

[umbral badger]

rend sucks and deepwounds is just weird but maybe later deepwounds will feel good when we have 50% crit in season 2 or 3

[stuck yacht]

with new change we use one CS and 2 Demo?

[umbral badger]

that's hwo it worked for me last dungeon run

guys where do we reset a profession ?

[umbral badger]

the one time reset thing

[nova marsh]

Question

how is this discounted

[runic igloo]

Whats best way to sim? dungeon slice patchwork ST in M+ talents?

[nova marsh]

aren't discounted tied to outgrowing crests this season and not indivual items?

[stuck yacht]

mb u have max hero slot and discont 20 myth cresty

[nova marsh]

ohhhh

Yeah I do

makes sense I forgot lol

[surreal spade]

slayer still better in skyreach ?

[minor gust]

It's day 1 of the patch bro

Try one and find out

[warm sigil]

❤️

[red parrot]

Is eyes of the eagle simming higher than other ring enchants for anyone else?

[nova marsh]

yes

it's good for crit specs

[jolly haven]

idk but i felt this too

[verbal folio]

legit felt bugged earlier in a 11 delve

was doing 0 dmg

[minor gust]

FoB and mortal wounds is bugged but yes your gonna do less AOE as slayer now due to the reap change

[verbal folio]

swapped to colo and it was fine

[nova marsh]

Archi's probs posting about it

[wind hatch]

wonder how many times youll have to post this screenshot

[minor gust]

People don't read the wowhead guide so gonna be posting that for awhile

[vast helm]

jesus we god bug?

[minor gust]

We have two bugs currently

One bad one good

[hollow zephyr]

Do we not weave in overpower between cleaves?

[vast helm]

can we post it to fix them ?

[wet maple]

Just pin it tbh

[hollow zephyr]

I’m just coming back to arms after a while and I feel like I’m doing something fundamentally wrong atm

[strange comet]

So for the 2 demos in 1 CS are you trying to go into the pack with 10 stacks of dom, CS then demo immediately so you can use the free cleaves to stack back up to 10 faster?

[flat willow]

yes

[queen garden]

So we go colossus in m+ every key?

[minor gust]

If that's what you wanna play

Tbh both continue to be good

[kind stag]

im convinced someone on youtube or twitch is telling them colo is only viable

[marsh thistle]

i see we are absolutely dog in raid now more than even before

[minor gust]

Just slayer a lil less good than before

[kind stag]

meanwhile slayer still pumps

[loud fjord]

slayer just bad on first pull

[minor gust]

Stack ID before key start

[oblique hinge]

Slayer and colossus are comp dependent

[loud fjord]

cba

[oblique hinge]

If you have good single target teammates you can go colossus to clear adds. If you have a team with good aoe to burst down adds you can go slayer to help with ST on bosses

[hybrid needle]

strafe doesnt work anymore wtf

[oblique hinge]

Both are very viable

[loud fjord]

i had to restart pc

[thorny pewter]

Hey is there right now a bug that u cant track heroic might stacks? i have it in cdm but its greyed out

[oblique hinge]

Im switching between the two and im pushing 3.4k io score now

[hybrid needle]

Restart the whole pc for a wow issue is crazy

[latent moss]

log onto a diff character

strafe

and log back to your main

[opal glade]

am I the only one whos having problems with arms dps right now?

[midnight root]

Yo why do male orc warriors not have hit sounds??

[loud fjord]

the whole game is fucketh atm

[viscid fossil]

yes

[midnight root]

I swapped to female and they came back but it feels awkward

[echo geode]

does anyone know the demolish conditions and 2t conditions for colossus? demolish has so much cdr now i don't feel it's worth waiting 20-30 seconds for colo smash eventhough wowhead guide says it is. and 2t is it still cleave > overpower if 3x stacks of collateral/ravager active?

[oblique hinge]

Why what spec

[kind stag]

lmaooo

[opal glade]

colossus

I was blasting yesterday

[flat willow]

I tried col and slayer very quickly and gotta say slayer feels a lot worse

than yesterday

[surreal spade]

here too

annoying

[hybrid needle]

Cheers that worked.

Restarting the game did not

Indie company problems

[oblique hinge]

That is a bug atm

[loud fjord]

tts sound is also really quite. all clapped atm

[latent moss]

i assume u did

shadow enclave delve

and picked up the mirror

[thorn stream]

we just prio op more with opportunis in slarm m+ right ?

nothing else

[oblique hinge]

Colossus did get nerfed by about 7% if i remember correctly

In aoe

[minor gust]

Yes

[hybrid needle]

Close, atal aman delve

[thorn stream]

🫡

[pulsar frost]

Is academy still slayer key?

[latent moss]

damn

it didnt break there for me

[opal glade]

wasn't it 2% nerf in aoe 7% buff in ST?

[latent moss]

yes

[minor gust]

Only in aoe tho cleave > op > ms

[thorn stream]

sure sure

[oblique hinge]

Oh yeah thats right

But you should be doing good dmg

[thorn stream]

thanks savior

(:

[winter hedge]

Idk why nobody top 50 war arm dont use trinket puzzle in mm+? Because they play slayer?

[pulsar frost]

Idk about at. But its prio buff

[oblique hinge]

Yesterday after the patch went live

[echo geode]

does anyone know the demolish conditions and 2t conditions for colossus? demolish has so much cdr now i don't feel it's worth waiting 20-30 seconds for colo smash eventhough wowhead guide says it is. and 2t is it still cleave > overpower if 3x stacks of collateral/ravager active?

[oblique hinge]

I was doing about 200K+ in aoe packs

[pulsar frost]

Cause no one likes the hard cast lol

[vast helm]

@minor gust save us

[pulsar frost]

2 sec hard cast is annoying

And not fun trinket

[loud fjord]

also the puzzle mostly not line up with cs demo

[pulsar frost]

Its probably not as bad now with demo but still

No one wants to cast that shit

[proven veldt]

is this still true in 12.05? the opportunist line is gone from the slayer AOE section on wowhead

[winter hedge]

Thanks for answers

[echo geode]

tq!

[spice field]

should i choose hero ring to myth ring(second bis) from vault, or hero tier to myth tier upgrade?

[proven veldt]

I assumed it was now marginal enough to not really matter

[rain lion]

Demolish comes back so fast I'm using it on cd

[pulsar frost]

I like to try to line it up eith cs

[rain lion]

if warbreaker is 10 sec even I still cast it and manage to get demolish back before cs goes off

[pulsar frost]

But I'll have to play more

[minor gust]

Looking at wowhead right now it's still OP > MS

[rain lion]

you can hit mortal crit with sweeping strikes and get 20 secs off immediately

[runic igloo]

is simming dungeon slice best for M+?

[proven veldt]

for slayer multitarget?

[pulsar frost]

Guidon is so goated now demo changes

[pulsar frost]

No

Never

[minor gust]

Yes

[proven veldt]

there was a line with opportunist explicitly in there before

[minor gust]

The only MS ahead of ops is with BLord procs

[runic igloo]

should i do patchwork 1/5/10 targets?

[proven veldt]

now it has battlelord

yes

[rain lion]

Nah its best to use patchwerk single target for simming

[proven veldt]

that is a change

[pulsar frost]

Ye

[flint cloud]

slayer feels so powerless after the update

[proven veldt]

I do not want to actually have to start tracking battlelord

[pulsar frost]

5 for m+ I believe

[echo geode]

for 2t colossus is it cleave > overpower with 3x stacks of collateral/ravager up?

[minor gust]

Opp is a buff you don't care about you just follow the priority cleave op ms. Also yeah IDC about the BLord condition either

Makes 0 sense to me

[halcyon hamlet]

Can we get the guy that revamped the Shaman to do the warrior? xD

[minor gust]

You don't care about the rage

[proven veldt]

would in theory only matter if you're rage starved

yeah

[pulsar frost]

Ms and Op then 3x stacks of coll

[echo geode]

okay tq!

[elder zealot]

@smoky kayak Apologies if this has been asked already, but have you checked how good Adamantite Sharpening Stones are? I hear some classes use it, but it maybe be for dual wielders only

[thorn stream]

nice new HS animation

[midnight root]

One step forward 2 steps back like always tho

[cobalt vortex]

I have bad trinkets (champion heart and hero hook from spire). Would you take the light company guidon as it is the biggest upgrade or go for bis gloves?

[pulsar frost]

Guidon is nice for col

I took guidon over prism and happy with the choice

[echo geode]

for slayer i assume 2t is still cleave > slam with 3 stacks cs as well?

[cursive zealot]

jesus im doing 30k less over than i was monday night. guess i need to read the changes lol

[candid pecan]

where heroic might from bcdm? , its not showing...

[acoustic mortar]

same idk

[rain lion]

is it common to have a hard time getting in a party for +10 with 3.2k rio lmao

[uncut wing]

Killed vanguards and realised forgot to catalyse spaulders for 4piece bonus

[brisk sedge]

did they fix void m plus duplacate items drop bug ?

[daring creek]

no

[minor gust]

Combination of a bug and nerfd

[acoustic mortar]

sry what's the bug ? i didn't see

[cursive zealot]

whats the bug? cleave hitting for tickle me elmo dmg

[daring creek]

do we have some talent changes for m+ after patch?

[untold pewter]

#updates-midnight

[pulsar frost]

No

[hard dragon]

Season is dead

[pulsar frost]

Col is fun rn tho

[fervent cedar]

In M+ sure