arms

[nova marsh]

Id show but im on mobile

[viscid fossil]

but i still have to fucking sim every dungeon

[sterile owl]

ah yeah no raidbots Premium is annoyin

forgot about that

[viscid fossil]

i just wanted a rough number how far behind my gear would be versus arms optimized set

[dire hinge]

just in case what though 👀
Colossus and Slayer are both perfectly fine in keys up to the highest level right now

[viscid fossil]

bc it was all haste / mastery naturally

i cba polishing a turd and refarm everything lmao

[umbral badger]

the one dungeon where slayer is better that all ppl are talking about

academy

[limpid lotus]

GIGACHAD

[sacred summit]

damn. only a 2.5k difference in fury and arms for me now in pure st sims (with all diff gear)

[dire hinge]

honestly i'd just sim it and see the difference. You can run one with ST and one with AoE and made an educated guess if it'll be worth it or not.

or just run a couple of keys with both

[umbral badger]

yea will have to do a bunch of sims when i can log in for that one dungeon

colossus still too far behind in ST it's sadge

[rugged ferry]

as slayer?

[sacred summit]

yea. slayer arms vs mt fury

that same sim used to be 9k diff for me

[rugged ferry]

crazy, time to go back arms for me maybe

[sacred summit]

regem, reenchant, different belt, legs, trinket

[dire hinge]

i've got a few min and can test quick

[sacred summit]

i wonder how colo st is gonna be

thats the real question

[dire hinge]

8% of not much is still not much

[sacred summit]

and if i go colo and ask the tank to pull big, can my grp do the stops/kicks and survive

[sacred summit]

is this in regards to me

[umbral badger]

i still have the photo of the sim i did earlier and it does not look good for Colosuss ST so yea

[dire hinge]

it's about colossus ST

[sacred summit]

ah

[umbral badger]

those were my sims earlier, bottom is Colossus m+ st then slayer m+ then Colossus ST then slayer ST

it's 11% ST difference for me

between both m+ talents

so fking big

[dire hinge]

you gotta change the build up quite a bit to pick up Stance Mastery

[sacred summit]

lmfaooooo 18k difference between colo st and mt fury

[ivory crow]

Quick question. What is the best stats to focus on as a Arm Warrior to do alot of damage?

[limber valve]

vers

[sacred summit]

is this shit playable in keys lower than 16

[drifting sparrow]

is arms going to be better in raid now???

[umbral badger]

yea i critcakes stance mastery at the cost of something i don' even remember what and some of the top slayer parsers on some bosses

[hybrid needle]

Thanks for the giggle

[visual blaze]

Crit haste, but with some mastery

Idk whats the addon name but basicly try to avoid dimishing returns

[sacred summit]

mine

[umbral badger]

@dire hinge but yes with those sims by ppl, we can clearly see that colossus buffs won't fix it's ST, we just need rage gen to fix it.

[unreal wing]

I have a myth puzzle box, got offered a myth Guidon in the vault which sims say is 700+ dps better than pbox, I was under the impression puzzle box was 3rd bis behind Gaze and Heart. I am just missing something?

[visual blaze]

I will still play slayer in m+, i dont do high enough keys where 160ish k overall is not enough

[drifting sparrow]

naw gaze isn't best

[sacred summit]

? really?

[drifting sparrow]

yea sim it

[sacred summit]

well i guess it depends on what ur simming like burst aoe or st sims right?

[umbral badger]

man why can't they give us enough rage to not AFK mid fight for example for colossus 😄

blizzard need to know AFKING mid fight is bad design xd

[hexed wadi]

so in 4 weeks we can upgrade a hero gaze to myth track?

[sacred summit]

?

[rapid bronze]

should I grab the myth weapon and recraft the hunt on another piece of armor?

[sacred summit]

myth gaze vs myth box

[umbral badger]

yes that's why myth box is in the top of the bis list :p

i think ppl should understand if we had a proper 1 min Trinket this season we might not even be using gaze xd

[sacred summit]

?? gaze is simming higher than box by 0.5%

[dense garden]

Is the move colossus still for m+

[umbral badger]

yea is that weird ?

[sacred summit]

soooooo gaze > box

[stable fiber]

hmm

kinda a L

could get that from raid

[umbral badger]

oh i thought you were surprised htey are this close xd yes gaze is > than box. not sure about AoE though. in AoE box might be better cuz it comes with major cds

or cds overall

[sacred summit]

oh no that was the other guy

[sacred summit]

yea i think box > gaze in keys probably

gaze > box for paladins tho i assume

[umbral badger]

you can just sim both i guess , try different scenarios of 40 sec burst "with and without bloodlust" against 3 targets, 5 targets and 8 targets.

might need like 6 tabs for all of htat but it's worth the try

[sacred summit]

i dont have either

saw the other guy asking and got curious

if im pugging keys up to +16s should i be playing slayer except maybe aa or seat

[umbral badger]

you don't have to ahve it to sim it :d

[drifting sparrow]

compare it to heart and radiant plume

[umbral badger]

if you are curious

[unreal wing]

what I dont understand is why im getting myth guidon outsimming myth box in any situation that i would see in m+, 3min boss, 2 min trash for m+ but i dont see a single top warrior using guidon

[dire hinge]

this obviously isn't like, super accurate but here's the 3 talent builds with 1 and 5 target for 5min.
(note, current build is Colossus M+)

So IMHO:

• Crushing vs Stance doesn't seem to really matter regardless of the amount of targets you have.
• Slayer does more single target, but the difference between 71k and 79k aint gonna really kill a boss that much faster
• Colossus owns in AoE as usual

[umbral badger]

top gear for the poor 😄

[sacred summit]

so just go colo

XD

[neon shale]

One less cleave is hurting my dopamine BADLY

[dire hinge]

just cleave before your CS, there's a bug where CS resets your cleave CD for some reason rn

[umbral badger]

this does seem like it is still fine to go slayer in academy at top keys just so that the bosses are easier.

but not ofr any other m+

[dire hinge]

i mean, tbh both do just fine in keys, just play whatever you want and be good at it

[sacred summit]

uh y r u telling me this
its the other guy who was askin
i alr know its gaze and heart for st
box + heart/gaze for burst aoe
plume probs worse than those 3

[umbral badger]

also to be fair, stance mastery is better then just for the bonus defense i guess.

[neon shale]

I love u for that

[sacred summit]

whens the next bp? in a week?

[dire hinge]

totally, and high keys are more limiting on survivability (cough colossus has baked in defensives cough)

but yeah honestly it doesn't truly matter and just play what you do best with imho

[sacred summit]

o it does?

oh wait it does

[umbral badger]

colossus/thane fury are probably second after dks in tankiness at least from my experience so far, and colossus just got tankier.

[neon shale]

Stance mastery kinda THIC

[wet scroll]

Does the ascendant voidcore add the item levels to the item or do I still have to spend crests to upgrade it?

2nd question, is it troll to use this on a 2H CRAFTED wep?

[umbral badger]

that being said, stance mastery is not a thing for colossus guys just a slayer thing :p

[umbral badger]

and colossus does not need it anyway

[umbral badger]

and the 10% by enemies debuffed by demolish too

and we getting that much more often now ❤️

colossus thic tanky now

[sacred summit]

wdym? cuz we can send more demo?

[umbral badger]

yes

[visual blaze]

Im gonna do that bcs i play both fury and arms

[umbral badger]

demo makes it so that enemies do less dmg to you during demos and for 10 seconds after

gettingthat more = more tankiness

[fossil thistle]

Guuys GUYS GUYS

Huge helm

[vivid pike]

Question about the void cores

[umbral badger]

and yes dmg reduction is multiplicative but it is still MUCH mroe defense than slayer

[vivid pike]

So the void cores will only give the quality of the item based off its vault right?

[fossil thistle]

yes

[vivid pike]

so M+10 gives myth gear and heroic Raids give hero Gear from the void core

Right?

[dire hinge]

Correct yes

[vivid pike]

kk

[dire hinge]

Also remember you can manipulate the loot pool using your Loot Spec

[umbral badger]

yes if you don't myth raid then you have many things in dngeons to aim for , rings and trinkets included

[spring vale]

if you wanna game gaze, switch to tank spec

[vivid pike]

ty ty

[mortal rivet]

how far behind is colo for ST?

[raw tinsel]

hero track gaze or myth track chest tier piece?

[dire hinge]

Compared to slayer? Or?

[mortal rivet]

compared to slayer yeah, gonna try and learn arms for raid

did slarms last week

[dire hinge]

Colossus is 12% roughly, behind Slayer for boss damage, but 25% ahead in AoE.

Single target is not what arms is good at, so 12% might seem like a lot, but 12% of “not much damage” is still “not much damage”

[inner wasp]

in raid

should i just play slayer

all the way thru

[dire hinge]

For most fights yes, but do Colussus for Vanguards

Colossus is literally one of the best (if not the best) for that fight

[visual blaze]

I suck at colo st

[inner wasp]

word

[visual blaze]

Idk what to do

[inner wasp]

idk colo st rotation at all tho

its weird

[visual blaze]

On slayer i can do like 80ish k on full st

Then i go on colo i do like 60 haha

[dire hinge]

Luckily it’s not a single target fight so you’re good

[inner wasp]

2 target is 1 target swept

no?

[dire hinge]

Yeah but it’s the same as Slayer. Just save Demo for CS windows and it’s the same.

[inner wasp]

thought its way different?

HUGEEE

[umbral badger]

it be like that for colossus, they do less ST than epected from sims in real fights. feels like they lost a lot more by chaos than slayer does.

[lyric pier]

this changes was a big nerf

[plain solstice]

less cleave, no mortal wounds on cleave, and demo getting desynced with CS feels pretty bad ngl

nerf to fun

[lyric pier]

im told it a lot this 5 sec is meme

[plain solstice]

yeah idk i dont think its going to net out the way people were thinking it would

[umbral badger]

i took that into account too but the way i see it is , maybe if we actually fell behind a bit in AoE, then it will warrent an aura buff.

although it would still not fix the problem with colossus ST

only more rage gen would

[jagged finch]

Why does the arms guide say to run Stance Mastery when Barbaric Training is better mostly

[nova marsh]

Go do keys

Compare logs from last week

Account for tank diff

[rose matrix]

Anyone Mortal Strike and Cleaves not have any audio

[latent moss]

u play both

u drop javelineer and crushing force

for stance mastery and resonating voice

[nova marsh]

Kinda pref

Stance mastery isnt the best dps but its amazing survability

[umbral badger]

at least now crushing force is much less value in AoE

after this nerf to mortal strike

[river ridge]

How are you taking Two-Handed WEapon Spec then?

[plain solstice]

also way easier to fuck up a demolish especially with a pug tank

needing to cast that more and perfectly to compensate for loss of cleave dmg is not great

[latent moss]

try it in talent tree

[minor gust]

Yeah slayer is dead gg 17 pit with one fuck up in it but either way would have done same dmg as rogue when I usually beat him easily. Sub buffs + slayer nerf gg @lean geode

[nova marsh]

Thats not the main problem imo

The main problem is demo itself

[river ridge]

You either take Jav or you take Shout you cannot skip both

[latent moss]

read what i wrote

[umbral badger]

dunno how demo is the problem, for colossus most ppl feel the problem is standing afk without rage

[latent moss]

colo lock in time

[nova marsh]

Even if colossus has rage

[minor gust]

yup time to run it back as colo

[river ridge]

That still doesn't path.

[candid drift]

We ain’t sending demo without CS right? Despite the cdr?

[nova marsh]

Dosent matter because demolish is still a coin flip with stupid large damage variance

[river ridge]

Archi did math, You can send whenever honestly

[latent moss]

i guess i and many other warriors have been running an impossible tree

[candid drift]

Damn really?

[spring vale]

You're so close

[river ridge]

I think it was like a .3% Difference in holding Demo or just sending on CD

[spring vale]

read again

[minor gust]

technically better to hold demo for CS but you can very much send on cd

[umbral badger]

everything is a coinflip, what matters is that the sims will average out the math RNG and based on sims colossus is 11% behind atm and that's primarily because slayer globals are almost always filled while colossus stands afk every few seconds

[candid drift]

Nice

[umbral badger]

slayer free procs and BS solves the rage issues for it

[jagged finch]

I find this still sims better, maybe because im pandaren

[minor gust]

I mean you are taking stance mastery for the defensive trade off

not dmg

[umbral badger]

it sims very slightly better, but then the argument becomes some 0.2% more dps or more tankiness

[latent moss]

drop javelineer and crushing force take resonating voice and stance mastery

last time i simmed it

it was ahead on aoe by some irrelevant amount and behind on st by some irrelevant amount

[inner wasp]

THEY CHANGED HEROIC STRIKE

[latent moss]

ye its so bad

[inner wasp]

we death striking now??

[latent moss]

fob doesnt have slam animation anymore either

[umbral badger]

like maybe javelineer path is better in some dungeons only cuz how good it is at bursting shields but can't thik of which right way

[inner wasp]

thats a good thing

shit looked so bad

[minor gust]

Holy BS dmg in that PIT

[latent moss]

nah it was goated

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

its maybe better in low keys where u dont dstance anyway

in high keys its definitely not

[umbral badger]

yea i just can't think which bosses had shields and shit adhd not helping, like caverns second boss is the only thing i can thnk of

[spring vale]

only crazy shield that comes to mind in keys is maisara boss

ye

[rose matrix]

Switched to Colossus and now my audio is bugged and I can't even here that juicy Demolish sound

[wet scroll]

If I have a tier piece (chest) does that remove it from the drop table of that boss (same difficulty) for voidcore roll?

[umbral badger]

yup can't think of another crazy shield dungeons

i mean caverns overall has many shielded monsters i guess

[spring vale]

that beign said, that boss fucking sucks

so if the shield breaks like 2s sooner then good

[latent moss]

just pull warriors and enjoy deleting it

[river ridge]

Gargoyles in Pit, MT has shielded adds, there's a ton of places you can use Wrecking THrow in Dungeons

[nova marsh]

Yes but because demo is one of the highest damage skills in the game, the variance becomes even higher. Its arguably the same problem tww had

Im not saying rage isnt a huge issue rn

[languid torrent]

are hands one of the items that you dont suffer to hard to craft?

[nova marsh]

Hell it is for slayer too with bad rng

[languid torrent]

idr

[umbral badger]

i understand, trust me, but you ask all colossu warriors what sucks most on ST they will almost all agree that rage starvation sucks

[stable fiber]

i lost my 2nd RR from pos

[calm elm]

It's lower stat but not the lowest, preferably not.

[stable fiber]

gg

got myth chest

had myth chest

[torn nest]

any updated builds for arms colo? or same build?

[umbral badger]

rage starvatio nis such an bumming experience

[spring vale]

next week khazix ez

[umbral badger]

at least you can't get it anymore thankfully

[stable fiber]

its not that i cant get it anymore

im prob not rolling that dungeon anymore

lol

[sudden fox]

Do we think slayer arms might be viable on mythic vanguard or probably still gunna be colo

[umbral badger]

colossus is probably the same, they do a lot of mortal and cleave dmg to give up on such talents

[stable fiber]

gonna roll myth l'ura and beloren probably

[latent moss]

colo

[stable fiber]

next week

[latent moss]

slayer isnt even close

[umbral badger]

i mean you can always circle back to pit eventually

[calm elm]

Hands, shoulders, belts, boots are all on the same level of power, bracers and back are a level lower so that's why they are the best crafted pieces.

[latent moss]

colo is genuinely a 3t spec now

[sudden fox]

Ik it wasnt last week but wasnt sure this week

[stable fiber]

ill be full bis by the time i get back to pit ngl

[latent moss]

arms in general is legit a 3t spec

[umbral badger]

humble brag

[stable fiber]

im going wrs after i finish l'ura or beloren items

[spring vale]

myth heart sniping?

[latent moss]

hands

[stable fiber]

have myth heart

[spring vale]

baller

[stable fiber]

myth gaze/myth heart haver

[latent moss]

i dont think youre talking about the same heart

[languid torrent]

yea i have crafted bracers but last week got a mythic cloak. but i still have champion hands because god hates me so im debating taking the myth track wep in my vault and putting the gloves on crafted OR taking myth track tier hands

[spring vale]

heart of wind i meant

from wrs

[languid torrent]

they sim pretty close

[stable fiber]

yeah i mean vorasius heart

[spring vale]

ahh

[north forge]

send 2 rolls into POS today and got 2 items that were sidegrades at best... RIP. thins the pool for next week? (inc next week getting 2 unusable items)

But i've officially done the recrafts and catalyst off pieces and swapped from fury to arms. from 1100 mastery down to 272, crit is a little low, i need to farm up the POS neck even on hero to fix it

[latent moss]

no that trinket isnt very good

[spring vale]

still baller wtf

[nova marsh]

Which is also why I think they should have a replacement for exe as a proc so colo and slayer have a more uniform experience in resources

[latent moss]

its good for an m+ trink

[umbral badger]

like slayer arms will 100% be "viable" on vanguard, but probably 50k or 60k behind colossus

[wooden lava]

did u never craft a weap

[latent moss]

fed..

[stable fiber]

nexus point ring also

[sudden fox]

So not viable haha

[stable fiber]

i did

[stable fiber]

only been given 1 item btw

[wooden lava]

how do u have two embellished crafted pieces

[spring vale]

shoe

[latent moss]

fed by blizz i guess

[stable fiber]

because we have 4 crafted pieces btw

9th spark this week

[wooden lava]

wtf

[umbral badger]

pretty much, they can also stop execute from consuming more than say 20 rage for colossus. make the 30 rage execute a thing only for slayer.

cuz colossus losses a lot of dps with teh extra rage consumed

[nova marsh]

Its really hard for slayer to compete with a spec that has a fight tailor made for eh

[umbral badger]

colossus only cares about the fking mortal buff why am i spending my entire wealth "rage" on an execute

[calm elm]

I suppose the answer to that is do you plan to slam Pit or not. If yes the BIS weapon is there and no hands, so the myth tier hands would be a good pickup and RNGesus out the weapon for max bonus. If you want to play safe it would be slam the weapon though.

[umbral badger]

i am fine with execute being used as colossus as long as they limit it to 20 rage, hell even 15 rage is too much on it.

[proven veldt]

anyone successfully set up a cmash debuff tracking bar with ArcUI? having trouble with it

[umbral badger]

yea but if he asked "viable" then sure, slayer can compete with "the other specs" on vanguard, but being 50k or 60k behind other warrior spec sucks

[dire hinge]

Honestly just give colossus more rage gen, it’s not like execute does that much damage without the 18 talents propping it up anyways

[heavy pewter]

just ran some keys and holy cray colosuss feels bad with the demolish cd reduction. Everything desyncing...

[nova marsh]

Yeah true. I think your raid lead would be pissed

[languid torrent]

it aint bis its the AA one, not midnight falls one or nothing. imma reclear before i take anything anyway

[dire hinge]

I have one for rend, should the same

[nova marsh]

It can only track the main target

[umbral badger]

yes , if anything even the fact that colossus is not showing that much advantage over slayer in teh dmg types that colossus specialized in, is primarly because of rage starvation imo. like for example, you'd expect colossus to have more mortalstrike dmg overall. but slayer does end up with much more mortal strike dmg on ST raid bosses cuz of unhinged.

[dire hinge]

Just gotta make sure it’s a Tracked Buff (not a tracked Spell)

[novel raven]

i said this and ppl called me dumb, lol

[proven veldt]

any idea what i'm fucking up here? it seems like it should be working, but nothing actually displays

or it works for a second and then disappears

[tawdry violet]

Isnt it just wb demolish every time

[novel raven]

not anymore

it was

now you have 2 much CDR

[river ridge]

So either hold or send, its a very small DPS difference.

[calm elm]

Yea I am not sure if it's just send it or wait for Csmash and sync everything to it

[dire hinge]

That’s seems right from what I can see. Might be some 12.0.5 patch wonkiness

[nova marsh]

It kinda already did

[tawdry violet]

Well it used to desync before

[umbral badger]

i mean it should still be 1 demolish per warbreaker and one outside ? no ?

[tawdry violet]

I was thinking it would sync now

[proven veldt]

yea, I definitely was sure to check the debuff instead of spell thing, idk

[novel raven]

no, it used to sync if you were playing globals well

[nova marsh]

Ya know what

[novel raven]

now it no longer syncs

[nova marsh]

Decouple it from stacks and make it scale at the same rage rate as am

[umbral badger]

how many demos are you using between warbreakers is the question

[novel raven]

not a big enough sample and i wasnt paying close enough attention to give a real answer rn

[dire hinge]

Woh woh woh, let’s not make sense here. Who do you think we are, ret paladins?

[calm elm]

If they could just make everything with the same CD reduce CD in the same way that would make the most sense, but Blizz has to be fancy with it.

[nova marsh]

[umbral badger]

fine, then here is what i assume will happen with proper experimentation. one demo in warbreaker, one demo out, and then if you get a 3rd demo out you delay for warbreaker.

but if we use 1 demo in 2 demo out we probably can't line a demo with warbreaker anymore i would assume

at least from my very limited experiment that seemed ot be the logical conclusion for things

[dire hinge]

We had some discussion about Demo with and without CS and timings last night here:

#arms message

[eager vale]

Did these changes make arms feel more flowy? I tried it out last week and it felt horrible

[dire hinge]

“[…] I would say that if you just wanna throw Demo on CD, it's very safe to do so, but it's still probably best to think about what's happening in the pull and what's coming up next, so use your best judgement [whether to save Demo for CS or not]”

[umbral badger]

yes i was actually typing this too, there will be more strategy to it now than before.

and that strategy is for example, don't use a demo if the pack is at 5% and you have CS for next pack for example?

one example but still

[tawdry violet]

Yeah i mean even if you were able to fit in a demolish at the tail end of the next smash before it would definitely desync the next time

[dire hinge]

Depends on what flowy means I guess. Arms will constantly de sync its own cooldowns, but it plays fine and now you have to worry less about Demolish timing.

But I also don’t know how you were playing

[tawdry violet]

Now its just always right after smash

[dire hinge]

For sure but also most dungeons have downtime letting things resync a bit

[nova marsh]

Depends on tank sometimes

[tawdry violet]

Yeah ig normally the whole point of arms in keys is to smash twice on each pack to profit off massive cleave execute so depends on how long the pack lives, if you were already able to fit in a demolish in smash twice anyway the new cdr wouldnt benefit you

[sterile owl]

You guys thinkg POS or SKY are better for a bonus roll? I was interested in myth prism

[tawdry violet]

If they died before second demolish this will be great tho

[umbral badger]

i think what's gonna happen here exactly is this, the change to demo will be good in some "interpretation" for the change, but there will be much more variance in people's interpretation for the change were most will lose a lot of dps., if you know what i mean ?

[nova marsh]

POS

Pos had multiple items

[sterile owl]

True

[nova marsh]

Sky has literally one item you want

Pit has like 4

[sterile owl]

Yeah thats what I figured

Got the helmet from the first one

Fingers crossed I dont get a dupe lol

[calm elm]

Well you can't get the helmet twice

[umbral badger]

but at least i would say that the base-line idea for ppl to consider with this demo change is 1 demo in warbreaker, 1 demo out warbreaker in AoE situations

[calm elm]

it removes itself from the pool each roll

[sterile owl]

Oh theres prevention for that?

Oh thats sick

Rare blizzard W

[calm elm]

Yea, before you roll if you hover on the dice it will literally tell you exactly what is droppable from it

[hybrid needle]

#fury message

[sterile owl]

Yeah I saw that but havent done the 2nd one yet so didnt if the helmet was gone or not yet

[nova marsh]

Actually

Half of the items in pit are bis lowkey

So much good shit

[umbral badger]

i think nexus point rings being as good as they are does make at least the rings bis from nexus point, unless you can get it from mythic midnight

[nova marsh]

True

But you have several really good items too

And getting wedding ring if you dont have both is quite goos

[umbral badger]

yea tbh though everyone's gear situation is different

[nova marsh]

Sims are true bis

[umbral badger]

some ppl probably have got some shit from pit in vault and then they have to prio maybe a trinket if they dont' raid

good thing for non-raiders is that it is easier to get trinkets from dungeons with the roll although they are slighty weaker

cuz they get 2 rolls instead of 1

[azure onyx]

do you only bladestorm with CS

if you dont have CS where does it fall on the rotation

[umbral badger]

yes, this is a strict slayer rule

[azure onyx]

for m+

[keen siren]

So the void gear upgrade shit can’t be used till next week?

[umbral badger]

does not matter, always BS with CS

and most of the times they line up anyway

[keen siren]

What if they don’t tho and u have bs up and cs on cd for like 20 more seconds

[dire hinge]

Then hold for CS

[umbral badger]

you have to understand BS does spam your mortals too, and mortals extend CS with 4 set

[dire hinge]

Start spending rage and get that Anger Management working

[umbral badger]

i don't know how it would be without the 4 set in future raids, but at least for now the difference between BS + CS on ST for example and CS alone is like double duration or some shit

it's crazy

[keen siren]

Wdym double duration?

[dire hinge]

Your 4pc of tier makes your CS last longer the more you Mortal Strike.

[keen siren]

Right but only in so

Ale

Aoe

[umbral badger]

well, even in AOE you are extending the CS on a target anyway so it's not "as big" but it is still there

plus CS is giving you at least 36% more dmg to bladestorm, probably more like 39%

[keen siren]

Yeah

[dire hinge]

No, mortal strike extends CS too, which your Bladestorm auto-casts while it’s going.

[keen siren]

True

[umbral badger]

and so you lose half a BS by using it outside of CS anyway

[keen siren]

Right

But I’m saying that only works in aoe not at

St

[dire hinge]

I don’t think that’s true

[keen siren]

It needs to hit 3 or more targets

[umbral badger]

no

mortal does not need oth it 3

taht's cleave

[dire hinge]

Ah, I see what happened

Very poor writing by blizzard as usual haha

[umbral badger]

yea just misunderstanding probably by him it's no biggy blizzard are a bunch of autistics like all of us

[keen siren]

Wait so ms extends cs in st

[dire hinge]

Ambiguity at its finest, yes that’s correct

[umbral badger]

yes it does that's the entire reason why slayer is far ahead of Colossus techincally

[keen siren]

Oh lol

I read it wrong then

I see now it makes sense

[dire hinge]

It’s Mortal Strike (regardless of targets) and Cleave (in 3+ targets)

[umbral badger]

try POE, devs suck even more at explaining things in that game

[inner wasp]

WHAT DO I DROP FOR BROAD STROKES

on dragons

quic

[dire hinge]

Look at WarcraftLogs for the top build and just import it

[umbral badger]

@keen siren also this is very important remember, say you have 8 CS on 8 enemies, you still extending one of those 8 CS, and smart people would aslo try to target the prio target so that the CS lasts longer on that target

[dire hinge]

Takes less time than asking here

[keen siren]

Has any1 tried slayer yet this patch is it good

[nova marsh]

Are you not running tactical edge?

[umbral badger]

meaning, as a slayer if there is a prio enemy target in teh AoE as slayer you want to be extending that CS on it with your BS

[inner wasp]

no

[umbral badger]

not on the thigns that will die instantly

i see many ppl play slayer and target the squishy shitty monster that dies in the BS losing CS uptime on prio target

[keen siren]

Right true I agree but cleave will extend cs anyways on every1

[dire hinge]

Yeah it’s fine still, play whichever one you like more

[umbral badger]

it's not about "which one does extend" it's about how much can you extend

[stable fiber]

do we think dh needed buffs

btw

[shy dew]

blizz loves some classes they even don't disguise it

[umbral badger]

with BS and cleave you can literally sometime get your CS back on your prio target aoe scenarios ltierally almost after your first CS is lost

[quaint otter]

Yes

[nova marsh]

Aug all over again

[quaint otter]

Buff metas by 20%

[umbral badger]

which is only possible if you target prio target with BS

[quaint otter]

Nerf midpack ~3-5% we take that

[keen siren]

Ok I see

[fiery quest]

wait so ascendant voidcores make radiant crafted to 295 and myth to 298?

[keen siren]

But I just thought bs randomly hits everyone but the ms from bs will target the target ur targeting at that moment?

[inner wasp]

waht da hell

[umbral badger]

yes which i hope is gonna be a buff for warriors more than other classes, dunno how DH / ferals / hunters scale with weapons.

[umbral badger]

context xd

[fiery quest]

so putting it on a radiant crafted weapon is not good

and should be saved for myth?

[umbral badger]

i had that same question, some ppl say you will get enough of it but i am still worried about that so if you know, let me know xd

[fiery quest]

okok

[stable fiber]

is that even that crazy

for dragons

[rare kite]

no

he's just the only log

[umbral badger]

your too smart i was wondering what fight is that xd

[stable fiber]

im killing it soon

[polar sundial]

guys whats the biggest improvment i can make as beginner arms on colossus. like simple change that gives huge overall gain?

[umbral badger]

12.0.5 logs

[rare kite]

yes i know the reason

[rare kite]

positioning for cleave. has shorter range than you'd think

[umbral badger]

to be fair fact that someone killed it already is funny

lol

[inner wasp]

i cant find his talents and i cant break 80k myself

so its crazy to me

[minor gust]

Only 100k more + monk buff than slayer that key. Man I need to shake some rust off or slayer is actually chilling

[twilit flare]

what

[umbral badger]

this is a thing you noticed if you watch bizentein, don't be too afraid ot use CS on a pack that's about to die if you know you can get enough cleaves out. it is hard ot "measure" this tip but since cleave does 20% mroe dmg on execute phase. you wanna minmax that value.

[minor gust]

dont miss your cleaves

[keen siren]

Yeah that’s like the biggest thing I’ve noticed sometimes it’s tough whether or not to send cs on a pack close to dying

[wind hatch]

colo is so sick in keys now

feels so nice

[polar sundial]

how can i miss them?

[minor gust]

by not being in range or facing every mob

[polar sundial]

cs is the ability that gives me the 3x cleave right

[umbral badger]

yes, i specifically said this tip cuz a while ago it was my biggest weakness.

[umbral badger]

yes

[polar sundial]

ahhh got it thanks

[polar sundial]

and the other one where im stationary. do i press both when mobs are low? or just the CS

[keen siren]

Becuz it comes back up so fast sometimes u regret not sending it

[umbral badger]

the biggest dps dip for ppl by far is them being afraid to CS low health enemies. yes you don't wanna CS on things dying in 2 seconds. but you don't wanna save it on things dying in 10 seconds

so if you think you have 6 to 10 seconds. just smash that thing

[minor gust]

But look at the BS dmg in this 17 Pit

[wind hatch]

bladestorm is actually crazy rn

im gonna try it out

[keen siren]

This is from new patch?

[marsh forge]

holay

[minor gust]

yes

[steep escarp]

Yeah BS is fuckin'

[keen siren]

What was ur overall

[minor gust]

BS would be like 4th down in last patch

[keen siren]

Hell yeah

[wind hatch]

but the demo cdr changes feel so nice too

we eating good

[keen siren]

I love slayer

[umbral badger]

this change for slayer sounds like the most noob friendly change ever, just BS correclty to complete your 10s for new players xd

fun

[minor gust]

I did another 17 pit as colo man I just cant with that spec

[keen siren]

Bs should do big dam tho

[minor gust]

something about it thats stressin me out

[keen siren]

It’s a big cd it should pump

[minor gust]

meanwhile slayer is big chill vibe

[wind hatch]

yeah I get it

[umbral badger]

tha's stress is why i love colossus more, i hate how chill slayer is.

[keen siren]

Yeah I can’t with Colo I hate standing still channeling shit

[minor gust]

time to pull a Noxiv and play slayer only

[stable fiber]

on dragons?

are u afk

[umbral badger]

BS and go make coffee hurts my brain

:p

[minor gust]

regardless

[charred brook]

anybody having issues showing master of arms to show tracking on cdm

[keen siren]

Slayer just has a nice flow to it

[stable fiber]

yes

for some reason

it got removed

lmao

[glossy zephyr]

I dont either

[stable fiber]

idk

[charred brook]

ok thought i was tripping

[inner wasp]

i switched to the colo build

dps dropped to 66k

[polar sundial]

do i press demolish also with CS? when they are low. and i have them both up. yeah right?

[stable fiber]

yeah you might just be afk

i do like 200k on this boss lmao

and its like a 90 parse

[inner wasp]

idk i press buttons until void howl then i colo smash, demo, cleave the adds

66k

[rare kite]

i did 170k on a really bad pull

col owns on dragons

[sullen raft]

do we know the difference between colossus and slayer for ST with the changes?

[pseudo olive]

Did they change the animation audio for arms?

[spice epoch]

Was that slayer or colossus?

[stable fiber]

colossus...

[sonic spire]

i was thinking that too, it feels bad. like hitting air

[rare kite]

if he did 200k as slayer on dragons i would be so goddamn impressed

[stable fiber]

oh yeah

i was gonna play slayer

fuck that

[spice epoch]

Thought it was some new slayer tech 😂

[inner wasp]

am i doing the void howl wrong?? cds didnt line up, demolish hit like 4 of them

and they all die before ur 2nd cleave goes off

[rare kite]

wth is void howl

[inner wasp]

u know

dragons........

[rare kite]

yea but idk the names of abilities... idk i just look at timeline for the orb spawn

send cs/demo on pull and hold ava rav

[polar sundial]

wait i only press cleave 3 targets +? or also on 2

[nova marsh]

Whelp

[zenith sequoia]

I got a mythic heart of wind trinket as my only mythic option in the vault. Currently using champion level trinkets but they're the light guidon and heart of hunger. Should I take the trinket or get the coins to buy a roll token?

[nova marsh]

That's not bad

[inner wasp]

how do u do exe phase as multitarget colo

[marsh forge]

sudden death

[sand totem]

Is colo only the play on dragons on myth? Orbs die too fast on heroic right?

[nova marsh]

Orbs aren't the reason you play colo on myth dragons. 2 target at basically all times is to my understanding

so just play slayer for heroic

[glossy zephyr]

3 plus only

[minor gust]

colo is only for mythic dragons

[sand totem]

thought so, thanks mang

[polar sundial]

@glossy zephyr shit men thanks. rip me i pressed on maisara bird boss always cleave as main key xd

[abstract jetty]

does the crucible trinket really sim that high or should i just get mythic prism from vault

or take tokens

[inner wasp]

144k on paladins

idk maybe i cant play colo

😭

[ivory remnant]

so press OP over MS now?

[minor gust]

in aoe as slayer

[icy atlas]

Did I miss the memo on Sudden Death? Still procing reap on St?

[stable fiber]

oh where u on heroic

???

[ivory remnant]

so weird,

[inner wasp]

yea

[umbral badger]

just to clarify this, colossus is best for dragons and vanguard, EVEN if orbs die instantly on dragon. colossus is the higest boss dmg spec on the dragons

[stable fiber]

lmao

ok

[minor gust]

[ivory remnant]

do we think arms may finally be above fury in raid? or?

[polar sundial]

sir pls you seem to know how the bird runs. may you tell me what site is best for indepth rotation guidance? icyveins wowhead? or other

[minor gust]

its been better than fury

for awhile now

[umbral badger]

@sand totem meaning, even if you are not looking t orb dmg and just wanna do boss dmg. colossus is best for dragons.

[sand totem]

just cause of the cleave?

[inner wasp]

i dont wanna be here.. im stuck here

[umbral badger]

wowhead, most websites just take information out of wowhead

[ivory remnant]

last week when i looked like 8/10 bosses fury was ahead in dps on logs

[umbral badger]

primarily because some slayer tools are actually designed to not "sweep" like unhinged bladestorm "which extends CS alot, but cuz it does not sweep it does not extend CS on 2 targets" as well as the fact that colossus scales a lot with sweeping strikes.

[minor gust]

if thats the metric you are using then have fun.

[umbral badger]

@sand totem so this is not "accurate math" but imagine a situation where you have 2 specs that hit 2 targets for full damage. but one target scales up to 240% dmg on 2 targets and the other spec scales up to 190% or 210%

[sand totem]

that makes sense. our tanks dont hold them close enough to sweep unfortunately. ill get on their ass about that

[zenith sequoia]

Should I take a mythic b tier trinket or the coins from vault? I don't have mythic trinkets currently

[umbral badger]

mytch mechanics is for them to be close enough other wise it's not the right way to play i think

[ivory remnant]

i mean id like to know why that is and if its better why doesnt it (show), im ok with being wrong and being told differently and explained why

[sand totem]

appreciate all the insight brother!

[umbral badger]

fury is not ahead in most fights, but the sample of arms is like 1/15th that of fury

so for example if you find 1 arms and 5 fury warriors then 1 arms again in top parses against a specific boss. this is just a population thing.

so you could just say that both are fine on that boss

but if you look at a fight and see this despite the population of both specs. then this is clearly an arms-advantage fight.

[ivory remnant]

ok, i only started swapping to fury souly becuz i think it was M vor and M chim, fury was like 15k ahead or somthing

[minor gust]

if you just look at logs Fury does not have the majority as its even. Arms parses are far fewer and its better on the bosses that matter Like lura belo crown

[umbral badger]

for something like Myth chim fury is ahead in parsing, not in boss dps. most guilds will be more happy if you do boss dps.

[nova marsh]

This shit is a go get bonus rolls right?

[reef glade]

hmmge

[umbral badger]

here is a sample of boss dmg on chim @ivory remnant fury does not exist despite the population

[reef glade]

paladins before/after

[ivory remnant]

ok ok, thank you for the insight i like learning more

[ivory remnant]

dam yea thats alot

[umbral badger]

but if you go overall arms does not exist.

[minor gust]

demo go brr

just like BS go brr

[umbral badger]

so while we all like to parse, i'd rather have 70% parse and be useful than have 99% parse and be useless

[south mulch]

is CS actually reseting the cd of cleave now? I didn't notice it before the patch... so the nerf from Crushing Combo isn't that relevant, right?

[minor gust]

yes

current bug

cs resets cleave cd

[stable fiber]

yeah like i thought

arms falls off on dragons

cause dev dh buffed and no 2x bdk

[umbral badger]

@ivory remnant the problem with adds and parsing on adds is that 90% of raids dpsers are competing on adds even when they should not . leaving specs like fury useless. if every dps respects their spec "strengths' then warrriors would finally take add duty and best ST specsx would take ST duty

[umbral badger]

i think arms might be giga boss dmg buffed on dragons at least, if we ignore the orbs padding ?

[stable fiber]

it is yeah

i died tho

so

[minor gust]

did you still do M+ colo build or just colo 2T slapping boss

[ivory remnant]

yea kinda how i felt on my feral druid, id go to (do ads cuz they are the mechanic) but they all just blasted and dead in 2 sec so no dots ticked for me and i did nothing

[umbral badger]

feral druid is a whole different history, even worse than warriors in some aspects. while ferals have had better ST overall in many tiers as far as i remember. they never had any actual add dmg in raids after the snapshotting was removed

[ivory remnant]

yea its kinda sad

[umbral badger]

in SOO i was still one of the top parsing ferals "it was my first main" once we lost snapshotting ferals kinda died in what it did best

so at least as warrior you still get to enjoy your add dmg sometimes

[stable fiber]

m+

[umbral badger]

and sometimes your ST dmg if you don't ind both specs

[minor gust]

🫡

[rare kite]

yoda gigapadding

[stable fiber]

yeah i mean noting was stacked

• i died

just unlucky

[minor gust]

F

[umbral badger]

@ivory remnant the funny part when it comes to the feral druid arc is that they were one of the best melees when thre is a lot of downtime, the vast majority of your dmg was bleed 'again cuz of snapshot" and so if you have to not hit the boss for a few secodns you still did bleed dmg. nowadays it feels like the spec gets cucked so easilly so warrior might be even better for you than feral

[languid torrent]

god bless bonus rolls man

[ivory remnant]

i enjoyed feral alot back in tomb

[languid torrent]

got gaze finally

[ivory remnant]

felt good

[umbral badger]

yea i had a history with feral, first person to incorperate strength in ICC when ferals were agility fixated :p once i took top dps spots for a while ferals started to copy.

back when we were kids and we had time to spend 30000000 hours theory crafting for even 1% dps gain lol

[polar sundial]

can someone tell me why heroic strike has higher prio then mortal strike as colossus on the wowhead guide. but in the bizstein video i just watched it says mortal is better untill cerain mob hp (pure singletarget)

[inland drift]

Is EU up?

[umbral badger]

i'd assume it's not even that big of a difference anyway. but generally outside of CS i would always prio heroic strike. and inside CS i tend to naturally prio mortal "for 4 set"

so i thik you can just not overcomplicate it in your mind to make your gameplay easier.

[polar sundial]

got it

only thing that feels off for me is ST

i feel so weak there, maybe in execute i dont prio it right

but im racing the tank kinda. but dont have good gear yet so idk

[umbral badger]

yes that's everyone's perception cuz of how rage is scarce not because of any execute stuff

[rose ibex]

i swear everyone is getting that damn sword

[umbral badger]

with gear you will push 70k

[umbral badger]

believe it or not , i dropped it 5 or 6 times in season start "in m0 and m+"

i was donating that fking shit to the masses

[polar sundial]

i hope so men. team flaming me already but im still gearing 😄

also feels strange that execute itself has such a low prio

[umbral badger]

they won't flame you if you do what colossus does best. smash AoE

if you are above 120k overall most ppl won't talk to you

[nova marsh]

It's not the worst thing ever

But i'd rather bonus roll pit first

[umbral badger]

ii dont' even think we execute anymore

[polar sundial]

true that men 😄

[umbral badger]

but i won't say i know execute now

[nova marsh]

would've been SO BASED if I got both trinkets back to back

[minor gust]

you dont natty execute you use SD tho

[umbral badger]

need the goats to confirm if we execute ever now

[polar sundial]

ye only with procc thing but still low prio

[umbral badger]

like i think now slam is just straight up better than execute

costs less rage, applies bleed and roughly same dmg per rage 'if not more?"

[charred brook]

but it buffs MS

[umbral badger]

again the execute thing i am not too sure about anymore though so gotta hear from other ppl

[umbral badger]

still too much rage

i think if execute was limited to 20 rage we would gladly use it

[rose ibex]

it's a very mid sword but one that can be enjoyed by both dps specs i think

i am looking at this vault and I know I should do dreamrift just to see if it drops

but i am very tempted for power now

[latent moss]

could just take it and roll vorasius

[silk rock]

idk slayer feels fine in m+ for me

[inner wasp]

benched cuz idk how to play arms yet 😌

why is this shit so hard

[chrome island]

Just play fury then

[zenith sequoia]

Do the 6 coins = 1 reroll token? I didn't see it available from the person next to the vault

[inner wasp]

i must learn arms

[languid torrent]

mythic gaze from bonus roll AND mythic hunger from vor

im finally eating good

[rose ibex]

true. would be worth just to see if i need coins

if i can get coins*

[nova marsh]

Btw

do we not press rava in st?

[latent moss]

no

[nova marsh]

do bonus roll

[latent moss]

technically u can

[languid torrent]

as prot spec

[latent moss]

but it lowk doesnt matter

[nova marsh]

alright good

[rose ibex]

can i be scummy and take the gaze then do hero dog bird and roll on it?

then pass it to friends if i get it?

[nova marsh]

be ethical

oh

nevermind

that is ethical

[rose ibex]

it's kinda scummy

scummy to others who are not friends

but good for friends

[nova marsh]

yes but homies

[rose ibex]

i dont know if i'd be able to roll on it

[midnight root]

man blizz screwed up sound effects for my orc warrior

but when i swap to female they come back lmao

wild

[rose ibex]

if I have it equipped can I even roll on it? :/

[jolly nymph]

if i do heroic chimeraus does reroll give heroic or mythic gaze?

[nova marsh]

heroic

[analog carbon]

lol

[nova marsh]

bonus rolls are the same as vault

[sterile owl]

Anyone know if talents changed at all for colo m+?

[lime ruin]

yo anyone got a colossus build for mythic chimera this patch?

[umbral badger]

just same as prev patch , or maybe you can try go pure ST and do a demo on adds phase but full ST rotation otherwise.

colossus could be fine in ST build and the demo if you are first soak

because first soak = more adds phases, second soak = more execute up time

so slayer likes being on ssecond soak

[lusty pasture]

what M+ dungeon are we sending our rolls on

[abstract jetty]

Bonus rolling nexus point for those ringss

[lusty pasture]

or we using them for myth vor and chimerus

[pulsar frost]

is guidon bugged? i see it go off my macro but my haste sometimes doesnt go up stat wise

[lime ruin]

I see

[umbral badger]

never roll on vor unless your guild has many ppl who need trinket. but verey few classes need that trinket.

[shadow osprey]

I know what the numbers say but these changes feel a lot worse than what the numbers show imo

[umbral badger]

meaning eventually vor trinket will be disenchanted

[lusty pasture]

thanks dad

[umbral badger]

chim trinket is worth the roll cuz everyone wants that trinket, and warriors are not even high prio for it

[lime ruin]

just craft the darkmoon hunt trinket like a turbo giga chad

[umbral badger]

@lusty pasture so if you roll on chim you just wanna do it as a prot warrior.

[lime ruin]

I didnt know about that, that's pretty nice

[umbral badger]

yes ppl are manipulating the loot with role right now

at least it's what's been said here by p-pl

[lusty pasture]

as in set loot spec as prot right

[umbral badger]

not from personal experience

[lusty pasture]

thats nuts

[umbral badger]

yes to avoid getting the shit trinket

[cosmic pecan]

did our rotation change at all with new colo changes?

[stable fiber]

heroic might isnt being tracked anymore

[umbral badger]

man i need to fix my UI eventually just hating the game right now lol

too CBA to log in

[stiff kettle]

Weird. Mine was tracked tonight

[cosmic pecan]

any suggestions i have champ gaze and hunger

[stable fiber]

the apex 4?

[stable fiber]

prism is pretty damn good

[umbral badger]

probably one of the 2 trinkets.

[stable fiber]

it works as feather before you get feather

[latent moss]

guidon owns in m+

[stable fiber]

oh yeah if ur m+ main id take guidon

but if you raid guy id take prism

[cosmic pecan]

@latent moss no one uses guidon though everyone using myth gaze and hunger

[storm canopy]

Eu not up yet right

[lime ruin]

How is light company guidon simming so damn high, 0.5% higher than gaze of alnseer

[latent moss]

most dont have it

[stable fiber]

good if you lack haste

[umbral badger]

i would assume solarflare is good on ST but you would replace it very fast anyway.

[stable fiber]

also yeah a lot of people dont have it because its better for the other specs

[latent moss]

ure at least playing 2 dks

and both need guidon

way way way more than you

[stiff kettle]

Sorry had a brain fart and thought of Colossal Might. I didn't even not8ce if my Heroic Might was tracked or not lol

[umbral badger]

at least for AoE , lining up with ravager is more important than avatar in a sense.

[north forge]

as a very recent arms convert (literally today) im either bad or just find slarms stronger and better to play in keys. Am i cucking myself too hard if i continue down this path?

[umbral badger]

you wanna push top keys or just chill mid keys ?

if you wanna push top keys it's colossus 'especially if you have a team to help you funnel"

other wise does not matter you c an go slayer

[spark robin]

anyone noticing cleave feeling much worse now? no deep wounds feels so bad to me

[stable fiber]

it certainly does feel a bit weaker

[stiff kettle]

Pugging keys will be a gamble on if you'll have a tank that has a good pull cadence that let's you make use of being colossus or not

[stable fiber]

need to get use to demolish though

the big cdr on it

[spark robin]

yeah my timings feel off now

[stiff kettle]

I am somehow cursed to always press demolish or charge right before an AoE pops up lmao

[north forge]

yeah colo is just giga clunk and everyting de-syncs would just have to get used to it i guess. SLarms feels kinda siiiick

[umbral badger]

yes that's probably gonna feel much weaker for sure. i think that's probably the biggest nerf for AoE and our ST still sucks sadly

[mystic summit]

we just sending demolish on cd unless ur cs is about to come up in a couple seconds?

[spark robin]

feel like it has to be worth waiting even like 10+ seconds no

[stiff kettle]

Dont worry though, they buffed UHDK to make up for it lmao

[umbral badger]

probably best rule for now is to think of it 1 demo IN cs and one demo outside of CS . until we figure out better.

[umbral badger]

uh dk? bro have you seen this yet ?

they buffed dh when they were already top

now the raid is 99.9% dh shitting on us

[spark robin]

i'm def not demoing enough. it must have been compensation in aoe for losing wounds

[umbral badger]

it's too early but i don't thik it will change

[latent moss]

it is

[stiff kettle]

I hadn't seen that yet

[umbral badger]

i can't wait to see if DH will keep shitting on everybody for hte entire week xd

THEY WERE ALREADY GOOD

[latent moss]

compensation for losing cleave dw

[umbral badger]

and got giga buffed

[stiff kettle]

Its ranged so of course it will

[spark robin]

had one in my last key consistently pulling 300k on aoe

[umbral badger]

they were already itop in many fights and situations

why does a "probably S" tier spec get buffed to S+++++++

while we beg for mercy 😄

[spark robin]

they've never known how to balance specs that end up with target cap

[stiff kettle]

A warrior player slept with one of the devs wife obviously

Lol its do silly giving classes target caps while others dont

[mortal ivy]

what are the two BiS trinkets to aim for purely M+ focused? I'm seeing a mix of Heart/Gaze/Guidon/Prism based on top M+ logs.

[latent moss]

first 3 of those 4

issue with guidon is acquiring it

[stiff kettle]

Pick 2 of those and have fun

[latent moss]

and im not sure if its very good for slayer

it owns on colo

[mortal ivy]

bonus rolls should help that issue though, so just deciding whether i bonus roll that or gaze first haha

[latent moss]

do you play content outside of m+ as colossus

either way id prio gaze honestly

[nova marsh]

So guys question

[latent moss]

id rather play double passive

no thinking

just blast

[nova marsh]

This means I'm done and can unlock the forge right?

[mortal ivy]

yeah i was planning to aim for gaze until I saw guidon simming high but i think double passive is just chill

[nova marsh]

is it cuz I didn't go on the character I did it on?

[manic pier]

nah its just not out yet

[mystic summit]

if u bonus roll on a heroic raid boss it gives u hero gear right?

[hybrid needle]

Holdon. Do we need to do the questchain on all characters

[nova marsh]

[manic pier]

you can get the bonus rolls now but the forge upgrades are not out yet

[nova marsh]

I am aware

I want the bonus rolls rn

[spark robin]

ye mythic track will only be from mythic raid and 10+ dungeon

[latent moss]

ye its simming extremely high for me too

i have it on hero

[mystic summit]

ok thx

[nova marsh]

I don't even have a good myth weap yet so I wouldn't send that shit anyways

[latent moss]

prolly a low haste moment

[manic pier]

then just talk to the guy and pick the option for how you wanna pay

[nova marsh]

I asked because I literally couldn't

Cuz I'm a dumbass who forgot I did it on rogue

[manic pier]

it should be account wide

[sterile owl]

Gentleman, Do we use Demo on CD or hold for cs?

[torpid acorn]

is the guidon the new tech? where can i see the sims?

[nova marsh]

Elementary void core progression...apparently is not

[latent moss]

sim it for your character

[nova marsh]

"Oh I'll just go do a +10 pit instead of picking ip my key)

Gets reminded what class I'm playing

[olive nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6MUTSZ6qsdcD34uibhUmMt
YES I can finally equip max weapon

[nova marsh]

YUGE

HARD BIS NO MORE WEAPS FOR U

[sterile owl]

Does anyone know the answer to this :3

[nova marsh]

still hold

[olive nest]

if cs is like 10 seconds away hold

[scarlet garnet]

anyone elses game sound like they arent hitting anyone >? like legit no abil sounds?> and dmg numbers are like lagging behind'

[olive nest]

or something liek that

[nova marsh]

but realistically it currently dosen't matter

archi said it was like a 0.3% difference between holding and not holding

[torpid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/amma-cat-ts-js-pmo-icl-pmo-cat-gif-9038313483801766180

[mystic summit]

no more fervor of battle slam animation?

[sterile owl]

Alright so if CS is like 20+ish I should just send

ah okay thats not that big of a dif

Ill prob just send then, Feels like I'll be more consistent

[nova marsh]

Not if it's replaced by HS

Eyyy

Lead invited a shaman

[mortal ivy]

I was just simming my own character on droptimizer to see what to bonus roll. Guidon was simming as a 3.1% upgrade on myth track fully upgraded and gaze at 2.6% on 5 target sustained.

[bold lava]

Does anyone know if I bonus roll a boss from raid that I already have an item from will I have a chance at getting the item

[native heath]

yes

[bold lava]

Thats what I thought so you have to roll then it takes it off the table

[warped spade]

I like that the colossus change is ALMOST lining up in ST and absolutely hate the AOE desync.

[lethal acorn]

The new heroic strike animation sux!

[ionic latch]

Anyone been simming that Eyes of the Eagle enchant for the ring? Been simming surprisingly nice

[torpid acorn]

oh no...

im scared to see

[lethal acorn]

It looked way cleaner as a white execute, now it's just some DK or Ret pally jump

The only animation that made sense with a jump was warbreaker/CS

They bring back the jump and give it to the wrong ability...

[stable fiber]

p3 pulls

game

[scarlet garnet]

. im getting the weirdest audio issues, ill try to explain. Im hitting my abils. My OP, MS, slam and execute all are doing their “swoosh” sound effects, but they arent doing their “clonk” sounds (you know what i mean? like its the sound that actually feels like youre slapping something

also cleave damage is lagging like 3 secs behind

[stable fiber]

almost time for me to scale

[scarlet garnet]

anyone esle

[latent moss]

ownage

[stable fiber]

HAHA

[latent moss]

[viscid fossil]

just do them yourself

[scarlet garnet]

my autistic ass probably will

[viscid fossil]

a few people have reported sounds missing

[scarlet garnet]

ill keep my mic on durin raid tonight

[viscid fossil]

🔥

cleave too

[stable fiber]

i wanna try 1 pull

in the slayer m+ talents

dont BS the adds, use it after they die

[limber valve]

im erect

[latent moss]

i am too

[latent moss]

try colo chatting

[stable fiber]

i dont htink so

how much does slayer lose from st spec to aoe spec on st

oh

[latent moss]

not much

[stable fiber]

no massacre

hmm

[latent moss]

surely u drop stuff like

mass execution

[stable fiber]

yeah

i am

blord?

blord seems ok

[latent moss]

sim question i think

[stable fiber]

would be crit thinking

[latent moss]

but bloodborne is kinda strong

i thinki

[stable fiber]

hold let me think

1 x battle lord 1x bloodborne into critical thinking

and i keep my strong execute phase

[rancid charm]

is there a reason the nexus rings aren't recommended for reroll tokens? The combo sims quite high for me

[minor gust]

its harder to get rid of BB now

with slam DW

[stable fiber]

critical thinking seems very strong

[minor gust]

the cook of the century

[latent moss]

ngl i have no clue about that fight

[latent moss]

happens when u are the first dps warrior on it

xaaxaxaxaxxa

[minor gust]

xD

[latent moss]

is crushing combo really that valuable

[stable fiber]

i get 1 cleave off before the crystals die

[latent moss]

why are u taking aoe is there aoe outside of crystals

[stable fiber]

no

[latent moss]

wait hold on

i ran some sims

earlier

[minor gust]

no shot cleave gets more value on crystals than just sending BS on it

[stable fiber]

idk if i bs the adds though

[minor gust]

with how much BS is cranking

[latent moss]

actually real asf kha

[stable fiber]

i think this is good though

[latent moss]

u were bsing before the 20%

buff

surely now its more value than what

2-3 cleaves

even with fob i think unhinged alone is more boss dam

[minor gust]

I mean this was my BS dmg in a key of all things

that thing is doing insane dmg

[latent moss]

or canu even dmg the boss

during crystals

[stable fiber]

im still going to BS the boss

just not during the crystals

also does slayer funnel as hard as colossus

is fob that strong

[minor gust]

not as hard

[stable fiber]

you can cleave the kick adds for funnel

[minor gust]

but it still funnels

[latent moss]

still funnels a fuck ton

[stable fiber]

BS does reap

doesnt*

which is kinda my reasoning

[minor gust]

maybe

[stable fiber]

we arent consistently getting into p3

so its just a test

[minor gust]

but im sure BS does more dmg than reap + cleave but yeah worth testing it out

[stable fiber]

this is more boss damage in p1

[zinc timber]

hey guys, if we use the new bonus rolls on hero bosses, will it drop mythic ilvl ?

[stable fiber]

psure

[nova marsh]

WOW

Bis belt

+wedding ring from ONE run

actually crazy juiced loot

[stable fiber]

reap cleave isnt even 100% lmao

ok

[minor gust]

yeah only 20% chance for cleave to reap xD

[mystic summit]

on paladins blood dk died 1 minute in i get autod for 560k slump over he gets rezzed i dont rest of the fight they kill it 🙁

[ionic bane]

is slayer bette r now or

still collosus

[minor gust]

considering Slayer got a bigger nerf than colo no not better than colo

[ionic bane]

shiet

didnt read lol

[stable fiber]

i dont have my

kick macros

scary

better boss damage ngl

(30 seconds of a pull)

[gentle gyro]

Good luck everyone

[languid torrent]

Anyone simming 100k yet?

[nova marsh]

for st? on arms?

[languid torrent]

Ye

[nova marsh]

kinda doubt

altough

I gotta say