arms

[slow saddle]

when they rework DK

they get more dmg

[rose ibex]

Your tank might also be screwing you over depending on how they pull

[slow saddle]

we get rework

we get NO RAGE

less dmg but better gameplay

[vast helm]

busy reworking paladin/dk/spriest

[deft bluff]

Pug tanks be pug tNks

[gaunt owl]

and mage for the 3rd time

[dim basalt]

Marksman gets a rework every minor and major patch

[deft bluff]

I just gotta get more comfy on arms again

[vast helm]

jesus what are we?

[molten wigeon]

Some kinda suicide squad

[astral yarrow]

unwanted and in dispair

despair?

that looks right

[radiant patio]

yea and still sucks

[sacred summit]

anyone know the % difference between arms and fury in pure st

[mortal crag]

huh

we're literally

giga strong m+

[rose ibex]

I feel like slayer is better for awkward pulls

[sacred summit]

a guildie of mine is looking at “dmg to bosses” in wcl and trying to argue arms has better st than fury

[rose ibex]

But clarms is definitely better if you can coordinate with tank

[deft bluff]

Got it got it

I maybe shouldnt be testing i. 14s and 15s

[rose ibex]

Also clarms and slarms do better in different dungeons

This patch changed a lot

[deft bluff]

On a good dungeon i still pull 140k dps

[rose ibex]

Yeah thats good

[deft bluff]

I assume Skyreach is better for slarns

[rose ibex]

Nothing to complain about there

Slarms usually does better in single target dungeons or dungeons that require a lot of movement like nexus

[deft bluff]

Also matbe i gotta consistently hit biceps in the gym more, that might help my arms

[radiant patio]

so by reading wowhead, is colossus completely superior to slayer now? for keys i mean. that's what wowhead says

[rose ibex]

So agalthar, skyreach, and nexus are the slarms dungeons i think.... I think

[astral yarrow]

arms has better st sim than fury, but has to give up more

[rugged hill]

Seeing that we go a bit of a nerf but also a bit of a buff. What do you pros think? Are we ok after today? (Colossus)

[rose ibex]

Always be pumping 💪

[mortal crag]

there isnt a single

where u wanna play slarms now

[rose ibex]

Probably now yeah

[mortal crag]

u could argue before patch that u can send it on AA

but

u can colo that

even more now

[rose ibex]

Slarms is fun tho

[mortal crag]

it is

but its just cheeks

[rose ibex]

Spin spin

[mortal crag]

its giga fun

but colo fun too

[rose ibex]

Colo feels more measured

I really like procs and reacting to them

[rugged hill]

I’ve really been enjoying colo yea

[rose ibex]

Anything that changes your rotation on the fly is fun for me

[sacred summit]

really? my fury warrior sims like 9k higher in st with reenchanting and changing gear from haste mast to crit haste

[rose ibex]

Colo is just so... normal

[plush elbow]

So does losing that charge of cleave nerf the dmg by like 20% or do we just keep face rolling on the keyboard?

[vast helm]

Outlaw is on fire

[grim oasis]

?

[slow saddle]

y arms does not have better st

arms has ways of gettin more st out in raid

in sims not so much

[rose ibex]

Im super excited to try it

Been leveling a rogue

Yarrrr pirates!

Just got fan the hammer and thistle tea and it feels x10 better to play

[warm fog]

Wait, on fire or fire?

[rose ibex]

They got a big buff today

[grim oasis]

13% buff from a bizzare talent change

sub rogue on-pull burst is gonna go dummy

[rose ibex]

Outlaw needed help so thats good

[stable fiber]

im a fan of this also, to a extent though, BS cdr is far too inconsistent

[rose ibex]

I agree on that. Sometimes you feel blessed, sometimes rnjesus spits on you instead

But the moments of good luck are exciting

[sacred summit]

yea guildie was specifically arguing arms' pure st was better because of the dmg to bosses metric in wcl

[stable fiber]

i have a clip hold up

actual insane RNG

[latent moss]

it is

[rose ibex]

And those moments are worth the inconsistency

[latent moss]

@minor gust 30s bs cd

on dragons

[slow saddle]

y so

[latent moss]

is all im gonna say

[slow saddle]

make sure its on a per boss basis

[stable fiber]

i got smth even crazier

[charred brook]

so with new slayer burst window we are BiS for egg prog right

right...

[rose ibex]

I feel like the changes just make slayer even more inconsistent

[sacred summit]

ngl this raid tier is terrible for warriors (and melee in general) for progging/prog strats

[slow saddle]

not rly

[rose ibex]

In exchange for more bs strength.... its concerning

[slow saddle]

not until bosses that matter

😄

[latent moss]

lura or

[stable fiber]

ye

[vast helm]

this means they can do the job , but just depends on whether they want to do it or not.

[charred brook]

did yall see this pov, i used it for prep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OBnihZBnw8

[stable fiber]

wait fuck i didnt clip

[flat willow]

I don't even play fury but how did they nerf that damn thing

[stable fiber]

need to check vo

d

[sacred summit]

like when we progged m chim all melee did not touch adds basically (except intermission ofc)

so us melee were just doing pure st on chim

[rose ibex]

I know people are saying to just play it if its fun but the changes seem blind to slayer's issues and inconsiderate to the things that make slayer fun

[sacred summit]

and ranged were having a field day

[astral yarrow]

hes the nicest man alive though

[charred brook]

i love that video lmao

[astral yarrow]

terrible taste in music

[charred brook]

my raid lead was dying

[grim oasis]

i genuinely dont think they mean to buff rogue this way idk

[plush elbow]

No but really, these changes are super heavy handed and out of touch with anything. They impact the best parts of the classes and instead of tuning they break them. The fury changes impacting CD for clap is insane and the changes to arms are going to make it feel like arse again also

[sacred summit]

he used vorasius as an example and was saying arms does better boss dam than fury there but i still find that extremely hard to believe without 3+ targets

[plush elbow]

The numbers may still get by, but it will feel worse to play for both of them

[slow saddle]

well

vooracious

u just sweep adds

and get free executes

so that way arms ends on top on reclears

but doing that on prog is near impossible

[sacred summit]

do u know how much more pure st fury does

% wise

like is it 7%, etc

[flat willow]

st fury does less

[sacred summit]

like
use sweeping
target add, use execute, ms/hs on boss?

[sacred summit]

bruh

[slow saddle]

u take

100% sweep dmg

and actually fuck adds for free executes

send directly to boss

[sacred summit]

last i checked mt fury did 9k more damage on my character on 5m st sims than slayer arms

[stable fiber]

https://www.twitch.tv/fearfuryflight/clip/SpikyStormyPterodactylDendiFace-d0HCBDjxNGrmQTfN

[sacred summit]

and thats with changing my enchants, gems, and gear to crit haste from mast haste

[sacred summit]

oh lmfaooooo

[flat willow]

ah sorry i thought you meant how much fury would do next patch compared to today

[slow saddle]

which sweep at a 100% to boss bolter

[rose ibex]

Feels like another season of only colo now

[slow saddle]

but try playing like that in prog

[sacred summit]

ye that makes sense. thanks

[sacred summit]

lmaooooo

[stable fiber]

wait no

[sacred summit]

uh

[stable fiber]

it was a 12 second BS cd

LMFAO

[sacred summit]

pretty sure fury still does more pure st

[slow saddle]

ofc for melee to have any dmg there

[sacred summit]

than arms

[stable fiber]

12 second cd on bladestorm

fun spec

holy shit

[slow saddle]

Bolter its Pretty close ofc

[latent moss]

how much is uhdk getting buffed in .5

[slow saddle]

but its irrelevant

[latent moss]

i doint trust wowhead lowk

[slow saddle]

5%

i think they said

[stable fiber]

idk i dont think its right either

[slow saddle]

coz doing 129k wasnt enough

they need a bigger gap to us

[sacred summit]

5% is the diff between fury and arms pure st?

[latent moss]

bro

delete this

this is like

[stable fiber]

12 second BS cd...

[latent moss]

actually illegal

[stable fiber]

i didnt actually count it i just assumed it was more though

then i counted it after i clipped it

12 is actually dumb

i could have had 2 bladestorms in 1 cs but i didnt think something like that would ever happen so i didnt use the 2nd bs

[latent moss]

i did some 10s with phil

skyreach as slayer

85k st on first 2

imagine if it was

a 20

[sacred summit]

how tf lmao

[latent moss]

easily 90k+

btw i ran a fuck ton of sims for .5 slayer

slayer just loses no st

[flat willow]

don't you get a damage buff in +10

[latent moss]

to take aoe

[rare kite]

just giga lucky

insane tho

[flat willow]

with the affix giving you 20% free stats

[sacred summit]

fr

[latent moss]

cause the st talents are dog

[stable fiber]

even with that crazy ass RNG

im still doing 0 dps

[latent moss]

idk im doing 90k in higher keys

[sacred summit]

lul

[latent moss]

im fairly certain

[stable fiber]

tbf im doing like 140k boss dps but

[sacred summit]

story of arms

[latent moss]

exe outweighs the affix

longer exe

[latent moss]

can u ask a dk from vodka

[stable fiber]

let me ask the main dk

[latent moss]

ty

[slow saddle]

look at meter

[rare kite]

i mean that's p1. arms great in p3 and decent p4

[slow saddle]

game so balanced

[latent moss]

i mean

execute class on opener

[stable fiber]

actually he like hates the dk class discord

[latent moss]

"execute" class

[slow saddle]

half a hunter

[latent moss]

ye its useless

[stable fiber]

so uh

yeah i dont trust anything from there either

[latent moss]

skyhold is just goated ig

[stable fiber]

especially when it comes to tank shit

[sacred summit]

btw why is colo becoming "easier to play in m+

[rare kite]

ofc he does. the bdk channel shuns the best m+ dk coz he does things different

[slow saddle]

more logical alignments

[stable fiber]

im aware of the situation

its not cool for sure

[rose matrix]

You basically just spam Slam as a filler now and don't worry about cleave and execute outside of sd

in st

[stable fiber]

sacrifice 1% of your overall for 20% survivability

"this guy is fucking stupid"

[rare kite]

mhm

[stable fiber]

on the squishest tank spec at high keys

its really only squishy because of the shit talents you are forced to run to do very good dps

[rare kite]

mans insane, title every season as bdk even when it's weak

[sacred summit]

oh so just st being easier rotationally
no cleave at all in st then?

but demo and cleave positioning being a learning curve is stil lthe same

[rose matrix]

Yea, ST just got more simple in M+ for Colossus

[warm fog]

Right but colossus ST was kind of awkward with a fair number of “use this when this and this”

Now you are just vibing a little more, the pro list is a bit more straightforward

[clever wave]

Wasn’t the only case for that was when you had ravenger you used cleave ?

[rose matrix]

Also below 35%

[clever wave]

Ah right

[rose matrix]

And the it's spot in the priority would change depending on the condition

Which made it a bit more annoying too

Then it would change in execute phase

Now it is basically static for the most part

[latent moss]

its a lot more straightforward

just dont use ravager ever

[safe island]

why these two got buffed?

[latent moss]

on st

[warm fog]

Like on the one boss in NPX with the huge amp your prio list could change twice in 10 seconds

[latent moss]

that is true ye

[clever wave]

Blizzard got too much from their fent dealer this week and forgot to subtract and added instead

[latent moss]

piano spec is a piano spec

[rose matrix]

Is it really not worth to send Ravager if you're not going to use it in aoe anytime soon?

[latent moss]

but thats why i like it

[latent moss]

in that case it is worth it

[deft kraken]

Is this prio updated somewhere?

[rose matrix]

WoWHead is updated

[proven veldt]

wowhead

[latent moss]

wowhead is updated

[proven veldt]

I am surprised demolish is still only inside CS

I thought in AOE you could get one in between CS casts

[rose matrix]

Icy Veins is updated too, I just checked

[mortal crag]

@latent moss 175k skyreach

bt

[mortal crag]

btw

[minor gust]

You can send on cd if you want

[latent moss]

20?

[minor gust]

The difference is minimal

[proven veldt]

👍

[mortal crag]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rdgBG6hk42TvfqFm?fight=last&type=damage-done

[proven veldt]

figured, thanks for the clarification

[mortal crag]

19 sadly

but look at that

[latent moss]

still

powerful

[mortal crag]

was on stream too

had a really bad first pull

bad procs on might

on MS

took 5 years

[latent moss]

isnt assa

just stealing ur funnel

idk how much assa funnels

but monksea plays outlaw

[mortal crag]

it does

yes

its awful

were going sub tmrw

[latent moss]

not outlaw?

13% buff

[mortal crag]

idk

[latent moss]

on st and aoe

[mortal crag]

my rogue

insists

[latent moss]

and its already insane

[mortal crag]

my rogue INSISTS

sub

[onyx fiber]

hallo! is there a reason to switch between colossus/slayer in m+ or are they pretty similar?

[mortal crag]

u go colossus

on everything

[latent moss]

idk i think with phys comp outlaw jus better but idk

[mortal crag]

i mean i agree

but he INSISTS

he isnt even a bad outlaw he just dislikes it and says trust

and i cba arguing with wr20 rogue

[minor gust]

Tbh my rogue is saying he's playing sub

And sub will own

[mortal crag]

yeah its some

burst shenanigans

[minor gust]

Yeah

[mortal crag]

sub will have literally highest burst cd in the game

like i think he wants to fucking erase prio targets/boss

and let me and feral mega aoe

[latent moss]

acting lioke arms doesnt erase prio

[proven veldt]

it is a bit funny that if you still end up holding demo for CS (or if the difference is negligble)

[latent moss]

i mean im not gonna argue idk rogue

[proven veldt]

then it means the CDR on demolish didn't actually do anything

[mortal crag]

it just means u dont have to wait with demos anymore

so u can send more

so it equaliezs

equalizes

[latent moss]

u still get 50% more demolishes

just send oncd

[mortal crag]

IM THE MAIN CHARACTER

RAAAAAAAAAA

[latent moss]

ure playing colo arms in phys comp

[steep escarp]

Demolish is a huge dopamine button

[latent moss]

u are the main character

all routes are made around you

[proven veldt]

unless you can fit two inside one CS, how are you getting more demolishes if you're always holding for CS?

[minor gust]

Archi was saying that's not true at all. Sim gets like 1-2 extra demos and you hold Demo for cs

[proven veldt]

yea, that doesn't make any sense

[mortal crag]

in ST

often times

u end up holding

[minor gust]

It's a weird situation I don't quite get it

[mortal crag]

but with new demo

i think u can send 1 between

[minor gust]

Talking aoe here

You hold

[proven veldt]

it sims worse

apparently

[mortal crag]

ah i thought u mean st

idk vibe send no?

[forest dove]

So I’m curious, in raid …. Since we have essentially no purely ST bosses, are we actually in a better spot with slayer?

[mortal crag]

u just full send st anyway

[minor gust]

Pretty much what I'm gonna do is this what Walhe said

[warm fog]

I wanna try arms for M chimeraus

[mortal crag]

wait im confused

send at 10stacks if cs up

roger

[rare kite]

i tried it. it is not good

[mortal crag]

or if cs is on cd sub 10s?

[latent moss]

over 10s

[proven veldt]

no he means if CS is more than 10 seconds away

[mortal crag]

ah over

kk

yeah i read it bad

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[proven veldt]

zugzug

[mortal crag]

so send on cs or send if cs cd is over 10s

sure

[minor gust]

Guide is gonna tell ppl to hold Demo for CS in aoe

[mortal crag]

AND IM GONNA SEND

[minor gust]

Yeah

[latent moss]

biz and crit gonna get

90000000000 questions per key

why are they sending demo

[minor gust]

It just feels to weird to not send demo

[proven veldt]

it has defensive benefits too though

[rare kite]

@daring heron enjoy

[mortal crag]

why do i only have 1 viewer

[latent moss]

it sims neutral right? idk i didnt sim colo i simmed slayer

[mortal crag]

biz stealing my funnel

[latent moss]

sending on cd

[proven veldt]

it was very neutral yeah

[minor gust]

This was the Sims yeah

[latent moss]

should just be on cd in guide ngl

to avoid confusion

[proven veldt]

it is

[latent moss]

.3% is genuinely nothing

[proven veldt]

with the little blue question mark caveat

of holding until later in CS if you don't have 10 stacks

[minor gust]

But in key burst moments saving demo for CS is much higher is what Archi was saying and consistent

[latent moss]

ye i mean its apply brain moment

[warm fog]

lol

[minor gust]

Yeah

[latent moss]

colo been like that forever

[proven veldt]

"adds are coming on dragons, I shouldn't press demolish 5 seconds before they spawn"

[slow saddle]

As a TRUE gamer

u should

[steep escarp]

If that button glows

[slow saddle]

boss dmg is what matters

[steep escarp]

I’m pressing it

[slow saddle]

sam

e

[long yarrow]

thinkin of makin a stack bar in arcui for CM stacks

[gaunt canyon]

This is a warrior forum there are no brains to apply

Nor should there be

Shiny button make zug I click go boom

[long yarrow]

but then ill have 2 bars one for sweeping stacks and one for cm

[gaunt canyon]

I clap because the plane landed

[latent moss]

colo has more thinking

than 99% of specs

[rare kite]

i hope you clap at the end of movies as well

[latent moss]

if u arent hitting all mobs with cleave

ure losing infinite dmg

gotta position

[gaunt canyon]

I talk through the entire thing louder than the dolby atmos

[slow saddle]

i hate cleave

[nova marsh]

Die cleave die

[slow saddle]

CLEAVING WHIRLWIND

do a FULL TWIRL and we FUCK

[proven veldt]

does the cleave cone emanate from the player or the target?

[gaunt canyon]

The only thinking I do with colo arms is if I want to actually play Toccata and Fugue for my rotation or go microwave a burrito during st

[gaunt canyon]

Its more like a fibonacci sequence

[stable fiber]

frontal cone from the player

[mortal crag]

https://www.twitch.tv/ragishwow/clip/BusyModernDogeKappaPride-t6pAZPbJYP8df0m8

@latent moss my dog sent demolish on tennis ball

[proven veldt]

thanks

[daring heron]

Ty i will enjoy every minute

[latent moss]

hi im frontal

[stoic oriole]

That's me

[mortal crag]

mc19 limit tets

[latent moss]

twitch tweaking

black screen

[proven veldt]

I am forced to swap to shout characer mid raid because we cannot recruit a warrior so I am trying to figure out how this spec works

[minor gust]

Hi Crit I am new to warrior in 12.05 do I send demo on CD or wait for CS thanks bye also arms or fury slayer or colo thane or slayer?

[stoic oriole]

If it shines we press it

Big dam

[magic canopy]

Why didnt you hold it for CS, Should i only save demo if its within 7 seconds of avatar. What about 5 seconds of avatar. If i drank chocolate Milk this morning should i only Demo if i get a good fortune for my astral sign

[minor gust]

[steep escarp]

ABZ

Always be zugging

[proven veldt]

it's sad because enhancement is very fun this tier

just uh, tuned to be complete ass

[olive nest]

Coffee vs milk demo conditions

[steep escarp]

Which is sad, you’ll be praying for a shaman in every form of content.

[olive nest]

Coffee = on cd
Milk = with cs

[minor gust]

Coffee = send on cd

Damn you beat me

[olive nest]

XD

🤝

[mortal crag]

srs?

is it fine now?

[magic canopy]

Hey when should i--

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046046500578406479/1265022442599088192/makesweet-volebs.gif

It's back

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046046500578406479/1265022442599088192/makesweet-volebs.gif?ex=69e873b5&is=69e72235&hm=70cf22daa6a0594a7d7ec34e4c5034aad9bc1918e28a41998c074958635b8742&

[mortal crag]

wtf

sec

i restart

check now

[latent moss]

stream works but the clip doesnt

[mortal crag]

eta gg

bricked

[astral yarrow]

where does pugs players start doing more than 100k overall in keys

[proven veldt]

happens in random 10 sometimes

but you can also low roll in 10s and get a 275 demo warlock doing 75k

[astral yarrow]

i am low rolling in 14-15s

[proven veldt]

well

that is tough

[astral yarrow]

im just a lowly warrior that hates keys but want 3.4k

[minor gust]

But all the 3.4k mounts are lame

[astral yarrow]

(i am benched)

[olive nest]

You can do 16s all day long

[astral yarrow]

i dont even know how they look

[proven veldt]

like the old ones but recolored

[astral yarrow]

yeah invites are kind of the issue

[minor gust]

They are just all the old KSM mounts

[olive nest]

Nothing threatening in 16 whatsoever

[astral yarrow]

oh well

+1 to collection

[old urchin]

Same. And I’ve seen the same damage in mine. Don’t get it.

[minor gust]

Just happens when your in the bad player key range

[olive nest]

Yeah that is a pain

[minor gust]

All the bad key pushers are in that range right now

[rose ibex]

Hello. With the 12.0.5 changes to warrior i was wondering what the best way to season a delicious cut of pork tenderloin might be? Thanks!

[astral yarrow]

this feels very much like the +10 crowd that just wants to see whats above that

[lone raptor]

demolish on cd

[rose ibex]

Hmmm I see thank you

[proven veldt]

paprika
salt
sugar
brown sugar
cumin
chili powder
ground pepper
cayenne
onion powder
garlic powder

[safe island]

no more cleave shit in st

ty

[warm fog]

The new shredder is nice

[abstract jetty]

looks like arms is better than fury on the last 4 bosses in mythic?

[smoky garden]

we play slayer on Scyreach right?

[minor gust]

It's patch day flip a coin and pick one and try it out Colo or slayer

[rose ibex]

Damn. That's a good list

10/10 warrior advice

[quartz adder]

Do we use cleave as a filler on ST when target is under 30%?

[minor gust]

Wowhead guide is updated

[rose ibex]

I think my guidon will force me to play colo

Praying for hero heart in vault

Save me, lothraxion

[full obsidian]

You got gaze?

[rose ibex]

Naw but id take that too

[full obsidian]

Pray for it then

[rose ibex]

Something. My trinkets are ass

[full obsidian]

I got it on my alt hunter that i dont use*

[rose ibex]

I mean crucible is insane so there's that

Otherwise I have champ heart

[ionic mica]

bonus rolls will help a lot

[full obsidian]

yea

I got hc gaze on my warri just cat get the other one

Kinda switching to dk now though

To feel like a normal human

[minor gust]

normal? dks are dead bro

straight zombie shit

[warm fog]

Death is the most normal thing of all

[rose ibex]

Yeah they need buffs

More buffs

[rose ibex]

Dk is very chill. I get it

Very helpful too

[warm fog]

It’s freeing to not have cooldowns on your rotational abilities

[full obsidian]

Exaclty

[rose ibex]

Ehhh arms is fine

I like the piano

[full obsidian]

Doin well and still being behind is just not fun

M+ is fun doe

[rose ibex]

I mean in terms of gameplay its a fun spec

[spiral abyss]

Are the guides updated for new stuff?

[full obsidian]

Yea

[rose ibex]

Gameplay > performance. Im no mythic raider so it doesnt really matter what I play at my level

[quartz adder]

wowhead guide: Updated: 2026/02/25

[full obsidian]

Is 300 k for heart a good deal?

[quartz adder]

thats out of date or?

[full obsidian]

Hero not myth doe

[minor gust]

idk where your seeing that but it was updated last night

[quartz adder]

on top of the wowhead guide

[full obsidian]

Whatyall think

[minor gust]

I can confirm without a doubt wowhead is updated

[full obsidian]

Yea wowhead is updated

[latent moss]

idk for me its the most boring rota ive ever played

[quartz adder]

here i was smashing cleave under 30%, those days are gone on ST i can see

[shadow osprey]

What you are looking at is the cover page

[full obsidian]

Damn

[quartz adder]

ye noticed. found it now

[shadow osprey]

Click on the rotation one and it will show different

[full obsidian]

No one priced the heart

Some warrior stole my boots for that

[quartz adder]

But nothing in the rotational sections mention the cleave execute talent? is that not used anymore?

[minor gust]

if its not there then you dont care about it

[hard juniper]

It just doesnt change any priority

You never cleave in ST anymore according to the guide, and in MT its already your highest prio rotational button. So nothing changes

[storm canopy]

Wasnt we supposed to get 8% st?

[minor gust]

colo did get an 8% st increase yes

[storm canopy]

Okay cool

[full obsidian]

Brudda got him high

[rose ibex]

I wonder of colo will be better in raid now

[minor gust]

maybe maybe not only time will tell

[olive nest]

It really just depends on how much add damage the comp needs

[storm canopy]

Time Will tell then unholy get nerf

[olive nest]

Because everyone pads on adds

[minor gust]

its gonna depend now because slayer will be better at add pading than it was before with the 20% BS buff

[copper oar]

For two target (I.e. Paladins) are we still prioritizing cleave as a filler or switching to slam now with the changes to ST priority?

[minor gust]

Likely nothing changes in raid between slayer and colo and on what bosses they are good at

[proven veldt]

two target was cleave on 3 stacks of collateral, don't see any indication that changed

[slow saddle]

arms in general needs

20% st boost

[proven veldt]

legs?

[minor gust]

APL still shows Cleave filler in 2T with collat stacks

[olive nest]

Actually good point, slayer can burst with bs

[copper oar]

Thanks!

[slow saddle]

i still cant believe uh rly gets 10% AOE and 3-5% st 😄

[rose ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dhmis-donthugmeimscared-the-futur-doesnt-exist-gif-7951796

[storm canopy]

Nah its crazy

[slow saddle]

fr it is

i would understand a -5 % ST for 10% aoe

[rose ibex]

It was technically a rework

[nova marsh]

UDk gets more damage?

And frost jus gets left to rot?

[rose ibex]

They probably wanted to do their changes and see where it landed before nerfing it (hopfully)

[slow saddle]

nono frost also gettin buffs

[rose ibex]

1%

Enjoy

[nova marsh]

They seemed minor when I checked last night

espically for how down bad that spec is

[rose ibex]

Maybe 2%

[slow saddle]

frost is prob

better than arms in raid brothers

[stiff kettle]

been stuck at work, all I know is UH DK getting buffs. Hows warrior looking?

[slow saddle]

its just uhdk exists

[slow saddle]

m+ good

raid super sad

[nova marsh]

I honestly think that's cope

[fervent lark]

what does "SD" stand for? 😄

[nova marsh]

sudden death

[rose ibex]

I tried playing my fdk but it felt kinda boring

[slow saddle]

if u remove 1

cleave boss

im almost certain

[stiff kettle]

NGL I just swap to fury on Raid and just clickt he shit out of rampage lol

[fervent lark]

thank you

[nova marsh]

Yeah tickling mobs outside of pillar is trash

[storm canopy]

Hopefully they nerf it on friday

[slow saddle]

so far they have the actual SAME dmg on bosses

Actually

frost dk = arms

in raid

its so similar dmg its silly

arms wins in 2 fights

a lot

dragons and paladins

[nova marsh]

I mean to be fair now that I think abnout it

both are melee so they're fucked

FDK is just extra fucked because a fake melee is one n press away

[slow saddle]

trueth

but mainly all true melees

[stiff kettle]

Blizzards most hated role lol

[slow saddle]

have sucky ST

this tier like usually its RAID that fights us

but now its BOTH our sims in simple patchwerk

and raid

ofc we loose

[stiff kettle]

@slow saddle I heard you wanted to be in melee range. Be a shame if something prevented that lol

[slow saddle]

i mean even being in melee range

vi loose

😄

i dno man

[stiff kettle]

fair lmao

[slow saddle]

thats my point

like in TWW

[stiff kettle]

just play a ranged class

like Ret

[nova marsh]

I think on uptime alone it's kinda to justify frost

[slow saddle]

Fury was one of the HIGHEST simming classes

yet it was pretty mid at best in raid

[stiff kettle]

[slow saddle]

now if we cant even have high sim numbers our lack of burst

will always keep us out

when it includes requiring 100% uptime

[nova marsh]

yeah because fury always gets omega down bad the instant a second of down time exists

[slow saddle]

for bad dmg

arms is kindda same m8

i dno

[nova marsh]

idk, arms never felt as bad as fury to me in terms of uptime loss

[slow saddle]

well

arms hasnt been as AM heavy

as now

ever

[nova marsh]

True

I still really hate avatar on am

[slow saddle]

tbh remove cdr

and let CS proc instead

so cs on a 30 sec avatar 1m rav // bladestorm 1.5m ( and NO AM )

[nova marsh]

I doubt warrior in general ever moves away from CDR

[fading isle]

the best upgrade

is to have 295/298 weapon

right

[slow saddle]

ye ye

[slow saddle]

i mean yes

but they did so for FDK

and it worked

[nova marsh]

Yes but

[slow saddle]

and i mean i wouldnt mind some CDR

[nova marsh]

correct me if i'm wrong

[slow saddle]

issue with arms is the layers of cdr

😄

[nova marsh]

but DK in general wasn't a CDR heavy class

The problem imo is how warrior as a class is designed

because warr specs to me share a lot more then any other class

[slow saddle]

i mean let me solve it for u

AM gone for arms

rav gone

[nova marsh]

I mean ravager needs to go anyways

[slow saddle]

ofc

[nova marsh]

Like that's not even something CDR helps

[latent moss]

i wish they kept arms pruned

[nova marsh]

it's just a trash cd

[latent moss]

no ava no rav

i really wanted to see what they were gonna do to fix no real cd design

[nova marsh]

Unfortauntely, arms didn't have burst then

and people bitched

[latent moss]

i mean

i dont agree

as colo at least

u still had demo and crushing combo

[slow saddle]

yeah and bladestorm as slayer

[latent moss]

slayer is still quite flat

[autumn nexus]

thought archi said its 8% dmg upg, but wowhead article says 2% for arms

[stiff kettle]

Ravager is 102% less cool than bladestorm

[slow saddle]

it was more tuning the spells that matter

[nova marsh]

Well it was mostly pvpers

[latent moss]

slayer is 2%

[slow saddle]

i mean thing is

RAVAGER

is awesome IF

it does dmg

adds Mortal strikes

adds rage

now it just does nothing

rav could be a cool thing

[nova marsh]

Na I feel like if they want to keep unhinged slayer exclusive

[slow saddle]

they just refuse to use it

[nova marsh]

Then ravager has no purpose

[slow saddle]

Exactly

[nova marsh]

man

[slow saddle]

unhinged should be collosus

[latent moss]

even if it did something

[nova marsh]

remeber when in pre patch slayer was like lowkey unplayable

[latent moss]

it would still go against their intent with midnight

which is to prune

[slow saddle]

Bladestorm should just FUCK

like nn for freaking unhinged

[latent moss]

i think bs being strong on st is a mistake imo

it never felt good to press and still doesnt

[slow saddle]

i mean thats the whole design flaw of slayer

[reef prairie]

I dont even particularly like bladestorm

[nova marsh]

tbh I do know this but blizzard's actual actions kind of seem to disagree with what their intent

espically for warrior

[latent moss]

for warrior ye

[autumn nexus]

cant they just make verything strong, like almost every other class lol

[reef prairie]

You just afk in your cds for 5 seconds

[latent moss]

for other classes no

[slow saddle]

slayer pigeon holed em

[reef prairie]

Its cringe

[slow saddle]

so hard

[latent moss]

once we lose this tierset

it will mega giga suck

[nova marsh]

I mean it's not just class design

[latent moss]

to press bs

[slow saddle]

u wont press bs KEK ;D

[nova marsh]

It's just general game direction imo.

[reef prairie]

Also id like demolish to be reworked 🥲

[nova marsh]

Blizz said they wanted one thing, got intense backlash for it, and swapped directions

[reef prairie]

Did anyone actually enjoy pressing the fyrakk legendary?

[latent moss]

i wish they would listen to class theorycrafters

instead of larpers on forums

🙂

[nova marsh]

I mean also

Our ST is still trash

[autumn nexus]

yep.... nly thing holcdin me back from maining war

[slow saddle]

yes

[nova marsh]

Like genuinely

[latent moss]

slayer has good st in keys

[nova marsh]

I don't think our ST was ever THIS bad

[nova marsh]

yes and no

depends on procs

[slow saddle]

i mean

[autumn nexus]

I just imagine how abd it was five weeks ago.

[slow saddle]

less than good specs

and u are there for st

so its kindda cringy cringe

tbh

[autumn nexus]

Release of midnight, Im fairly sure arms did less ST damage than an afk healer

[reef prairie]

st is cracked with funnel 🙂

[latent moss]

slayer does very good aoe

as well

[nova marsh]

The funnel is cope

[latent moss]

its not like it does no aoe

[nova marsh]

I'm sorry

[slow saddle]

the funnel is NOT cope

[nova marsh]

For pugging?

[slow saddle]

the funnel is fucking mad

[nova marsh]

yes it is lol

[latent moss]

depends on key level

[slow saddle]

for puggin its mad

[nova marsh]

Because the problem is getting tanks to do it

[slow saddle]

dening

😄

[reef prairie]

Depends on key level 4sure

[nova marsh]

Because tanks have zero game sense

[slow saddle]

i mean bestpart is

[nova marsh]

and don't care about their dps actually doing damage or what they could do to help

[reef prairie]

I mean, you can just ask your tank for funnel mobs

[slow saddle]

u take mobs for funnel, ENTIRE GRP PRESS ALL THEIR BIG AOE and kills it

[autumn nexus]

arms does too much aoe, and no STG

[latent moss]

keep in mind

99% of people dont know

arms funnels

[reef prairie]

If youre saying nothing about it its partly your fault

[latent moss]

like crazy

[slow saddle]

the aoe is deffo not that much above other classes

[nova marsh]

Chief I hate to say it

[autumn nexus]

Cmpartively to st

[nova marsh]

but like half of those 99% of people don't even know what funnel is

[autumn nexus]

arms is carried on its aoe mostly, I do like 50k on bosses now that I got 4p

[latent moss]

key level issue

[autumn nexus]

but I can still do 100k+ overall

cos aoe I blast

[nova marsh]

I mean I guess

[slow saddle]

yeye i do about 150-160k i think in most keys at 15-16

[latent moss]

arms hasnt been good in low keys for ages

[slow saddle]

with little funnel

[nova marsh]

But like I think that's a genuine design flaw if I have to do fucking 16s before I can have fun

[slow saddle]

lol

[autumn nexus]

but what about ST though gokke? thats where keys drag out

[slow saddle]

no

[nova marsh]

Granted

[autumn nexus]

if ur doing 50-60k st

its no bueno

[nova marsh]

It's a design flaw across so much of the game LOL

[slow saddle]

also 16s arent enough

[latent moss]

ur tank pulls 2 mobs on the boss and u do 120k

[slow saddle]

to get 2 x cds as collosus

[nova marsh]

Alright fine

20s

[slow saddle]

half the time

[rose ibex]

Just found the scythe gameplay bland. Liked it more when it was about howling blast procs and cleaving with obliterate in death n decay

[nova marsh]

Ehhh I can agree there a bit too

Even if I'd hate DND I wish they'd just made it cleave like SS or smth

[autumn nexus]

I also cant make Riders UHDK work, I suck ass on it, but sanlayn I can pump, on arms I acnt do good with slayer on aoe

just st

[reef prairie]

I mean you can also play slayer in lower keys

[rose ibex]

Now it's just.... aoe? Scythe, glacial, scythe, glacial

[reef prairie]

And do aoe and st without funnel

[latent moss]

yep

[nova marsh]

And if you run frostbane for some god awful reason you replace glacial with fb

[rose ibex]

Single target? Obliterate, frost strike repeat

[nova marsh]

Fuck FB, thank god that talent is dying

[slow saddle]

How

[nova marsh]

and obli does nothing

[slow saddle]

like nothing is simpler than riders 😄

[latent moss]

scourge strike scourge strike scourge strike death coil scourge strike deathcoil scourge strike scourge strike scourge strike death coil

w rota

[rose ibex]

A shame. New visuals for that aura thing you activate is really cool

[nova marsh]

yeah

I actually like the visual on RW

[rose ibex]

And giant dragon breath air striking mobs will never be bland

Their apex is cool as hell

[nova marsh]

ehhh I'm mixed on the apex

[rose ibex]

More dragon

[autumn nexus]

cos I suck, prolly. San layin is even harder to play, but I just cant deal good damage as riders

[nova marsh]

Well

actually with today's changes I think it's cool

Before today, actually really annoying

[latent moss]

i cant sanlayn

no horse

the only part of dk that gives me joy

[rose ibex]

I considered playing one just to prove they can still pump

Or at least find out if they can

I would honestly still invite one to my group just because dk utility is so nice

[autumn nexus]

I agree, horse is poggers

Im debating to try and learn howto play riders, but for the life of me

[rose ibex]

They are unicorns this expansion though

[autumn nexus]

I cant deal damage with it

[rose ibex]

Ultra rare

[autumn nexus]

I do sub 100 in all keys

Outside of 90s, I am literally worse than an afk healer in dmg

like 30-40k range but the palystyle doesnt change xD

Its the same as colosss vs slayer

I dunno why my slayer aoedamage is nowhere near of colossus

cant do 200k+ cleaves

[latent moss]

colo does 25% more aoe

well in .5 but its probably similar

right now

[safe dagger]

how close is colo to slayer in st now

[slow saddle]

close enough

just play col ^_^

[latent moss]

10% behind?

[hybrid needle]

So americans can get 295/298 alresdy right

[latent moss]

something along those lines

[dim basalt]

About 10 yeah

[latent moss]

prolly still the play for aa

[nova marsh]

nop

[latent moss]

cause crawth is a boss of all time

[nova marsh]

servers are not up

[safe dagger]

it feels yucky

[keen siren]

Slayer feels way better to play than colo

I don’t like Colo

[nova marsh]

the st is steaming garbage

[slow saddle]

i mean its 8% less garbage

[dim basalt]

Col has the potential to feel way better

[slow saddle]

and rly not TO bad

[dim basalt]

But it is Blizz after all

[latent moss]

idk how

slayer plays better

i just dont see it

colo aoe is so smooth

[keen siren]

So is slayer

[brisk sedge]

i like the big bonk of demolish

[charred brook]

whats better burst in ST colo or slayer

just specifically the burst window

[keen siren]

I don’t like standing still to channel something

[autumn nexus]

I dont know what happens or how ti happens, but colo has stronger MS crits than slayer

and remember kids, bigger crits are better crits

[finite night]

After 12.0.5 for colo is slam higher prio than overpower on st or still op higher?

[latent moss]

colo ms is juiced

[latent moss]

ms>op>slam

[minor gust]

wowhead guide is updated

[autumn nexus]

Where's HS?

[slow saddle]

MS BUFF WHEN ?

[hybrid needle]

Oh, i thought you guys are already live

[slow saddle]

first

[latent moss]

hs>ms>sd>op>slam

[slow saddle]

HS > ms > op > slam

[keen siren]

Where does exe fit in prio for Colo

[slow saddle]

hmm dno if SD is actually there now

as col

[latent moss]

nowhere

u dont exe outside of sudden death

[nova marsh]

like 2 more hours

[slow saddle]

trueth

[stiff kettle]

we still have like 2 hours lol

[latent moss]

i think u can exe if above 80 rage or something

[keen siren]

Even in exe range?

[autumn nexus]

even in execute range?

[latent moss]

yes

u cant use execute outside of it apart from sudden death

[minor gust]

you can execute with excess rage yeah think apl has > 75

[dim basalt]

Does it even do more damage than Slam with MW

[keen siren]

That’s wild

[latent moss]

not sure but am value per global

[minor gust]

its buffing your next ms

[keen siren]

Exe is so bad

[latent moss]

and buffing ms ye

idc if exe is bad as colo

[dim basalt]

Fair enough

[hybrid needle]

Why exactly does devdh get a buff again

[stiff kettle]

because its not melee

[celest iris]

swapping DH see you all on the other side

[nova marsh]

Because it has to be the hardest meta spec ever this season

[latent moss]

i was about to say how did uhdk get buffed

[keen siren]

But do u not get the ms buff from exe as Colo or only slayer

[latent moss]

u get from both

cause u have to take it to take avatar

[young rune]

do i go 2 or 4 set piece in pvp for arms colossus

[keen siren]

But why wouldn’t I press exe then if it buffs ms still

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/897055819475091456

[latent moss]

idk pvp but 4set is broken

so u probably want

[latent moss]

cause slam + mortal wounds

does more

[minor gust]

and no rage

you cant press execute more than a few times

cuz of rage

you can spam slam all day

[latent moss]

few times is optimistic

[stiff kettle]

buffing MS doesnt matter if you run out of rage

[minor gust]

xD

[latent moss]

need 3 globals to get rid of 120 rage

[safe dagger]

how does slayer play with the new changes

[hybrid needle]

Name a melee dps that isnt warr or Windwalker

[latent moss]

exactly the same

[keen siren]

But as slayer u still exe in exe range? Then spend 2 stacks on ms

[latent moss]

yes

[autumn nexus]

SV hunte

love that melee

[stiff kettle]

Surv hunter?

[gusty cobalt]

Is slayer still best single target with new update?

[autumn nexus]

uhdk

[minor gust]

pretty much the same just prio Cleave > OP > MS now in aoe

[latent moss]

yes

[dim basalt]

SV is also half ranged ngl

[hybrid needle]

SV and UHDK are not melee

[latent moss]

but muh

festering strike

and soul reaper

[stiff kettle]

That was also the joke I was making. UHDK isnt melee, so blizzard buffs it since they love non melee

[keen siren]

Do u guys send demo at the start of an aoe fight or do u let it stack up

[autumn nexus]

start

dont hold cds

[hybrid needle]

Sooo when do we get a weaponthrow build so we can be ranged too

[latent moss]

rend ava cs 4x cleave ms demo

if u have 0 colossal might stacks

[autumn nexus]

4 cleaves is 16 seconds

[hybrid needle]

3x cleave*

[autumn nexus]

pack is dead by then

[minor gust]

do higher key then

[latent moss]

how is cleave 16 seconds

[pulsar frost]

What low keys are you doing

[latent moss]

crushing combo

is a thing

[autumn nexus]

isnt cleave 4s cd

[pulsar frost]

You have plenty of time to do 3 to 4 cleaves

[latent moss]

crushing combo makes ur next 3 cleaves incur no cooldown

[hard juniper]

After colo your next 2 have no cd

[keen siren]

Rend Ava cs ravager cleaver spam ms then demo?

[hard juniper]

2 now right

[latent moss]

on reset it will be next 2 cleaves

[autumn nexus]

but that mens u drop CS

[latent moss]

on .5

[pulsar frost]

You dont tho?

Espiclaly with 4 piece

[autumn nexus]

doesnt it need CS to give u no cd cleave

[latent moss]

yes

[minor gust]

take a break from here and go read up on the wowhead guide and read your talents

xD

[latent moss]

^

[dim basalt]

Next up: why is there no HS in aoe rota

[silk zealot]

did we just got a buff?

[stiff kettle]

CS makes it so (after 12.0.5) 2 cleaves have no cooldown

[autumn nexus]

Yeah

but idk

[dire hinge]

Fervor of Battle

[stiff kettle]

look at the 4 set

[minor gust]

nah we got the blue question mark now. Surely people read that

[pulsar frost]

What are you not understanding. Once you pop cs just spam 3 leaves then a MS then demo

Ezpz

If doing 10s things die a bit quickly so you might need to go higher but thats the opener for aoe

[latent moss]

thats only if u dont have 10 stacks of colossal might

which u usually do

[minor gust]

me when I prepull SS and build 10 stacks instantly while tank gathers

[latent moss]

same

[minor gust]

(meld and dbts used)

[latent moss]

xdd

[slow saddle]

then u c tank seems to miss with keg

and fack

[stiff kettle]

just die by the sword and pretend youre a paladin until you get bolted to tdeath

[latent moss]

just spell reflect