arms

[leaden garnet]

It lost a tiny amount of AoE

[wet maple]

Not to mention some of the prio mobs right? Lashers, surge casters, books, those asshole wyrm things that divebomb your ranged dps

[leaden garnet]

2-3%

[leaden garnet]

Colossus does a metric fuckton of prio damage if it can cleave

[pure wren]

I feel like it's better to play Col, and get some ST damage in the comp if it's a concern.

[leaden garnet]

But 3/4 bosses in AA are ST only

[dim basalt]

And it could still turn out to be an "increase" in the sense that prio targets die better, theyre usually still alive when the entire group is already dead

[leaden garnet]

If you're doing +18 keys and have an actual team comp, Colo

[pulsar frost]

can just ignore ST and let the other 2 dps do the majority of it and just pump in aoe packs

[leaden garnet]

If you're doing +12 and can't rely on the pugs you're with, Slayer

[wet maple]

Ah so slayer is really only better at actual ST? I thought it was better in low target count cleave too. New to the spec so probably just misunderstanding

[rustic jolt]

doin all +17s this week, next goin to start +18s

so colo, shait

[dim basalt]

Col is significantly better at low target

Even if its just 2 targets

[pulsar frost]

the moment the fight becomes 3 target col is vastly better

[rustic jolt]

i felt sayer was much better in +17s than colo, but if colo will be the way to push me no likey

[wet maple]

Is that just because of cleave proccing mortal strike and giving stacks for 3+ targets?

(If there’s somewhere better to ask my dumb noob questions lmk)

[pulsar frost]

just play slayer then

play what you like

[leaden garnet]

The two things that matter are SS and Fervor. Colo's Cleave is stronger so its Fervor of Battle is also stronger by proxy (I think its Slam is stronger, too?) and SS allows Colo to stack CM twice as fast

[pulsar frost]

not much to it, theres much of slayer pushers in 20s

[leaden garnet]

Cleave does not cast MS

[dim basalt]

^ same goes for col

Farover is R1 and plays col everyhwere

[leaden garnet]

It casts Slam or Heroic Strike, if it's procced

[pulsar frost]

biz and crit both play a bunch of slayer AND col

not like youre hard force to play col

[leaden garnet]

I also found out recently that Demolish counts as three hits for the purpose of stacking Collateral damage

[dim basalt]

Biz only plays Slayer in AA atp I think

[wet maple]

Meant heroic not mortal, yeah

[latent moss]

ye

prolly gonna be the only slayer key

for the highest keys

if ure not doing 20s it doesnt matter

[flint hedge]

Might be a dumb Q, and might just be I need more haste to make it clearer, but in my rotation if I hit MS, then do two abilities, my MS cd isn’t quite on CD, but it’s somewhat close where I either hit a third ability or have to wait a slight moment to do another MS. With the third ability, I use MS right after. My question is if it’s close enough is it better to wait for MS? We’re talking like a half second or so, but do that enough and it adds up to missed MS

[gaunt canyon]

Its partially rng but are you not capitalizing on overpower's cdr for ms enough in your rotation

[flint hedge]

I think that is def another issue for sure.

Raising my hand that I’m trying to learn haha

[rich kernel]

How filled is arms rotation nowdays? Like how often is there just nothing to press?

[mortal crag]

He's a wr20 raider that absolutely insists sub will be the play for our comp

He logs 95-100s on all specs so whatever he plays I'll just hope it works fine

[mortal crag]

Depends

Not awful but

Colossus st is mostly the issue

Which is very rare since we funnel almost always

[rich kernel]

so, slayer st usually has something to press?

[warm fog]

Slam means you always hsve something to press if you have rage

And slayer rage is a little better

[gaunt canyon]

No button starvation just rage starvation if your warrior has been taking his SSRIs

[slow saddle]

yeah

its called

no luck of the proc

s

[gaunt canyon]

Much more apparent in ST if your bloodsurge procs are bad

Simply use the humble charge

[slow saddle]

i mean

if u play with shaman

its prob fine

esp 12.05

coz u wanna prio Slam over exe anyways

[gaunt canyon]

You actually care about your lineup?

4 warriors and a priest healer

[slow saddle]

yes

no shaman no play

simple as that

[warm fog]

Are there any other specs as desperate for another class bufff as arms is for shaman?

[soft peak]

Brothers, i just started replaying, whats the best item to craft first?

[rustic jolt]

class swap

to dk

thats best xd

[ionic mica]

maybe you can be the first dk to do good damage

(in a key)

[pulsar frost]

dks not even that great rn

reroll demo lock

or aug ez pz

[latent moss]

stay on arms

[soft peak]

[latent moss]

op spec

[ionic mica]

probably not, pretty much every raid buff is just more damage but for us and skyfury it changed the way it feels to play the game

[soft peak]

I played war all my life

Changes dont affect me

[ionic mica]

try to get a myth weapon if you are happy to wait for that

[latent moss]

play arms

its insane in m+

[ionic mica]

and craft wrist and cloak

[latent moss]

all dps warriors suck in raid apart from arms on paladins boss

[soft peak]

Im playing arms

[ionic mica]

and dragons 😠

[latent moss]

relevant boss

chatting

[soft peak]

Nice gus gud

Where do you get the spark for max lv

[ionic mica]

paladins are about as relevant as dragons

dodge stuff kill boss

pray healers dodge as well

[latent moss]

did they gut it into the ground or

[ionic mica]

5% less hp but thats it

[soft peak]

I played tbc 2 months, i dont know what to fucking do in midnight, too much content

[ionic mica]

idk felt like a mid tier boss should to me

[ionic mica]

play whatever content you like, sparks will arrive. there is one from a World Tour quest from Lorthemar in silvermoon that will get you the last one for cap

[mortal crag]

Yeah less rage issues

[soft peak]

I have to do the second campaign than i will see ehat to do

[gentle gyro]

For 1 season like once every 2-3 expansions

[mortal crag]

Ret

[latent moss]

isnt ret

blacklisted from skyrufy

skyfury

crusading strikes

[ionic mica]

yes with crusading strikes

ye

[jovial hare]

it does dam but they don't get the extra resources

[latent moss]

its good for outlaw too iirc

more main gauche or w/e and more energy

[jovial hare]

sub likes it too I think? not sure

[latent moss]

and outlaw about to explode

in .5

[proven veldt]

havoc likes it a lot

[latent moss]

bro im telling you

[proven veldt]

but every single player is devourer right now

[latent moss]

phys comp is meta

[rustic jolt]

phys comp is op

[gentle gyro]

Or a Frost mage

[rustic jolt]

u are smth like aug for the others

xddd

[vapid pine]

Only problem with phys comp is it doesn't play resto druid

[gentle gyro]

8% rsham buff trust

[trail lantern]

rsham is good and will be buffed

[latent moss]

idk about feral

tbh idk about outlaw either atp cause of midnight reworks

but at least arms cant die

especially colossus

[mortal crag]

Feral likes it

[latent moss]

u actually just take 0 dmg on packs

[mortal crag]

Mastery is bis feral stat

[mortal crag]

I die a lot

[latent moss]

i meant defensively

[latent moss]

to what

[mortal crag]

I eat swirlies yum yum

[latent moss]

xaaxxa

[mortal crag]

[latent moss]

my goat

same

[mortal crag]

[latent moss]

gonna die 50% more

with 50% more demolishes

[mortal crag]

Hmm invisible phial

Woops

"bro there was no swirly"

• I was demolishing on 50 circles

[latent moss]

bro bladestorm is lowk cancer btw

u dont see shit

[mortal crag]

It is

Legit horrible

[latent moss]

avatar + bladestorm big ahh

[mortal crag]

On nexus

Holy ganget

[latent moss]

yeyeye

[mortal crag]

Cancer

[latent moss]

first pack

[mortal crag]

On seer packs

Jfc

[latent moss]

ye axaxaxxaxaax

[flat willow]

I don't like when people say skill issues when I say I die cuz I greed demolish

[mortal crag]

I be strafing

I be surfing swirlies there bruh

[latent moss]

i was complaining about the same thing and my friends were like just zoom out bro

[mortal crag]

It ain't skill IT'S GREED

[flat willow]

What am I supposed to do, delay demolish?

[latent moss]

like im not perma max zoomed out

[mortal crag]

I demolish mid jump

Call it a fadeaway

[latent moss]

demo range increase

[mortal crag]

Stick the landing

[proven veldt]

360 no scope demolish?

[flat willow]

I'll just die to the abom farting on me like a man

[mortal crag]

Gonna stream demo trickshots later

[latent moss]

nah wanna see how much i played

[mortal crag]

the 3 cleaves look at me after I send rava and pack is at 35%

[latent moss]

this week

[flat willow]

I actually tried to play ret paladin in war within

[mortal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-daddy-gif-1292116027948640714

[flat willow]

And I stopped cuz you legit don't see shit

[latent moss]

peak

[flat willow]

You just don't know if there's an aoe under your feet on that damn spec

[latent moss]

at least u can divine steed and stand next to ur ranged for 10 seconds and do same dps

lowk in those situations id just bubble

or pop all defensvies but blizzard is cringe

@mortal crag iirc seer circles

stun u right

i forgot cause im kinda doing my best not to get hit

[strange comet]

So careful how you set it up. You can have alerts for the ABILITY or you can have sound alerts for the BUFF. I had mine originally for the ability so it wasn't procing for CS

[tidal wraith]

Arms only

[leaden garnet]

MS is used every four GCDs, not every three

[brittle rock]

running delve 8 in 196 gear seems pretty easy

...until you stumble on the dog pack

[latent moss]

i pulled half of calamity delve in silvermoon on 11

[glad epoch]

what's the vibe on the 12.0.5 changes. they seem minor but somewhat disappointing, especially the Reap the Storm change.

[latent moss]

i died through 100k hps

xd

as thane fury

[brittle rock]

what ilvl were you?

[latent moss]

very positive changes for colo

279

278

something like that

i pulled dogs

• like 20 mobs

xd

[brittle rock]

yeah im 100 item levels below that

[latent moss]

idk 11s are infinitely harder than 8s

[slow saddle]

what it leaves slayer is

[latent moss]

in 8s i pull the entire delve

[slow saddle]

a way of buffing both hero specs in ST

easily

[leaden garnet]

Unironically consider buying crafted gear

[slow saddle]

coz reap doesnt affect MS any more

[leaden garnet]

It's a cheap way to instantly get to 215 ilvl

[slow saddle]

im waiting for a general MS buff to both specs

[brittle rock]

btw

nice idea

[latent moss]

not very good for slayer but

[brittle rock]

you know what also a nice idea is?

[latent moss]

slayer will still be pretty well ahead of colo on st

[brittle rock]

checking the freaking warband vault =\

[glad epoch]

yeah, it's the removal of MS from reap without a buff to MS that makes me sad lol

[brittle rock]

which i, of course, did not

[glad epoch]

I'll have to see how all the numbers pan out, I'm still really new on arms.

[brittle rock]

yeah, should've definately done it when dinged

before wiping in delve 8 lol

[latent moss]

well tldr is

st gap is smaller between slayer and colo

and aoe gap is bigger

[glad epoch]

I see, i see.

[latent moss]

slayer is still gonna be very good

its just colo is insane

[tidal wraith]

colossus felt terrible on bosses. But god mode in aoe

[glad epoch]

I've been hitting slayer, I suppose I have to make the colo switch and feel out how that works.

[latent moss]

ye thankfully u can funnel in every dungeon except algethar

and in algethar u play slayer

[brittle rock]

oh and this
lol me from the past definately knew something

[tidal wraith]

if your tank plays around it, but you don't get that often in pugs.

[latent moss]

i heard in higher key pugs like 17s 18s

they do

idk i dont think i pugged higher than 11 this season

just premade

[hollow quail]

I like slayer in skyreach as well

[uncut hound]

so we are playing colo in every key now except algethar right?

[latent moss]

depends if u get funnel

in skyreach u can funnel on every but 3rd boss

can funnel doesnt mean u will in pugs

its a pretty tricky pull from what ive seen

(ragish wiping to it on a 20)

[uncut hound]

how does funnel work with colo is there an interaction that i havent read about yet or is it just pad dmg and more rage from rend

[clever crag]

Skyreach ?

[latent moss]

u can funnel on 1st 2nd and last

[latent moss]

its a lot of things

bizentein made an arms guide and he has a funnel section

where he explains it

basically u need prio + 2 targets

and ur prio dmg doubles

[uncut hound]

is it in his disc?

[tidal wraith]

I have just been running slayer in pugs. That way im useful on bosses

[latent moss]

its on youtube

[uncut hound]

bet, youre the man

[clever crag]

Type in Biz arms guide

I got that shit pinned lol

[uncut hound]

lol thanks for being so helpful yall and not telling me to just sim myself

[latent moss]

tbh

colo vs slayer is

even if u dont have funnel in some dungeons

just the 25% more aoe

can save time

[olive nest]

I can’t imagine I wouldn’t play Colo in all dungeons after today

Omega aoe value

[latent moss]

algethar is slayer im 99% sure

its st slop

dungeon

only big aoe pull is first

and we suck on it anyway

[wet maple]

Are there any other arms YouTubers worth checking out? I liked biz’s guide a lot but always on the lookout for other solid follows

[latent moss]

cleave drs too hard

[latent moss]

i wish farover streamed and i didnt have to watch him through outlaw rogue pov

critcake

[clever crag]

Didnt find any

[latent moss]

ragish

[reef bone]

Does our ST prio change after the patch? It says something about Slam being higher on this discord? Is there somewhere I can go to check out the details?

[random trout]

Kinda wish blizzard left slayer the hell alone. Big reason I switched from being fury main.

[clever crag]

Critcake just plays usually

[rare kite]

Right now it is. On reset i'm not so sure

[rustic jolt]

same

[clever crag]

Colo better

[rustic jolt]

switched to slayer arms from fury cuz i want to push big and hard but looks like after reset its gonna be colosus cuz its gonna be crazy in aoe now

[latent moss]

st gap still pretty big

[midnight mural]

AA as colossus is cancer, yes - untill you get funnel somehow

[latent moss]

u can only funnel on voraxus no

[wet maple]

I’ve watched one or two of his vids and I feel like I just need to play the spec more before I understand what’s happening on my screen when I watch him lmao

[latent moss]

or w/e its called

the 3rd boss

[clever crag]

Fury can push too ? Or is it shit now

[random trout]

I understand that, just feels so unethical not pressing bladestorm as arms. And reap just made the spec fascinating. It’s simply, fun.

[midnight mural]

Someone will find tech in sure 🙏

[latent moss]

how do u funnel on crawth

maybe aug can do something

but i doubt u would play arms + aug ever

[rare kite]

Can do on last boss AA but it's risky

[clever crag]

I like both yeah

[rustic jolt]

shit cuz u are caped

[clever crag]

Always was capped

Other than 1-2 spells

[latent moss]

not as risky as people think tbh

[tidal wraith]

I need more haste in my life 😭

[olive nest]

Why is Aug not great for arms im unaware need knowledge

[clever crag]

I got like 1000 haste

[latent moss]

idk i lose dps

when i play with aug

[clever crag]

I need more crit

[latent moss]

and i played with aj

if anyone knows how to play aug its him

[midnight mural]

Aug with colossus on single target is shit

[olive nest]

That makes sense yeah

[midnight mural]

Augnenting shit st still makes it shit

[clever crag]

lol true

[latent moss]

aug might be mandatory in aa

[clever crag]

But funnel for even like 30secs and you ride it thr whole fight

[latent moss]

to pull eagles on miniboss

saves like a minute

how does

farover do 21 maisara and ahve more time left

than 19 aa

aa just giga sucks

[clever crag]

Cuz AA sucks

Giga dick

[latent moss]

the only bad key

[charred brook]

I pulled the 2 casters into last boss 1 by 1

[latent moss]

this season

[clever crag]

I need trink tho

[charred brook]

For 2 target

[olive nest]

AA is the most dogass dungeon bro I can’t understand what people like about it

[charred brook]

As long as u kick its free funnel

[clever crag]

I dont like mc too

[tidal wraith]

They like the first pull but as warriors we dont

[latent moss]

nah mc owns

i fw mc a lot

until i play with aug

and he steals my funnel on 2nd boss

then i crash out

[olive nest]

Agree MC is great

Can funnel every boss

[latent moss]

on last u demo every set of banners

and explode them

[clever crag]

I hate big big pulls

[olive nest]

Yee it owns xD

[clever crag]

Give me many medium pulls

[latent moss]

i dont think arms has ever been better in m+ but i havent played legion i heard arms owned in legion

in m+

[frail hearth]

yo yo, do we switch to colossus in raid to for Single Target?

[tidal wraith]

Arms was fun in legion but Fury was PUMPIN

[mild sierra]

ToS Arms was peak

For M+

[clever crag]

Arms was better

[latent moss]

no

colo still well behin

d

[clever crag]

You did peak dps on trash by far

[latent moss]

8% of 0 is still 0

[clever crag]

Good st

[latent moss]

ofc legion arms was peak...

bring back legion arms..

[clever crag]

Busted on use trinkets

[latent moss]

cant wait for legion classic

will quit retail

for it

[clever crag]

Not only Legion arms

Legion fury was peak too

[latent moss]

man we need battle cry back

[clever crag]

NH and Antorus

[tidal wraith]

Legion fury was fucking dope

[latent moss]

get rid of this yeeyee ass

cooldown called avatar

[rose ibex]

Legion overrated

[latent moss]

what the fuck is the point of avatar

[rose ibex]

Stupid artifact power

[clever crag]

Legion underrated

[wet maple]

Make bigger for big bonk

[tidal wraith]

Literally just bake avatar into C smash at this point

[latent moss]

colo size should scale with colossal might stacks

20% bigger at 10

[mild sierra]

Its not tho, everyone loves legion

[rose ibex]

Legion is so unfriendly for alts and off-specs

[clever crag]

Avatar was good when it broke roots

Now its ass

[latent moss]

ye it was good on tindral

[clever crag]

Pvp

Too

[latent moss]

pvp

[clever crag]

PvP

[latent moss]

i did some arenas as colo

demo into ms

explosion

then it got nerfed

[rose ibex]

Blood DKs and disc priests just dominated everyone in pvp

[clever crag]

Yeah cuz Blizz hates warriors

And sucks off rogues

Rogues mages

[rose ibex]

I dunno. We've been getting lots of attention in this expansion

[tidal wraith]

I was gonna say nah mages are defintely the favorite class

[clever crag]

In pve

[rose ibex]

Yeah

[clever crag]

Mages always S tier

For no reason

[rose ibex]

Mages are the special privileges class

Ever since vanilla

[icy atlas]

Because when Warrior is S tier, PvPers complain

[tidal wraith]

Fire mage had main character syndrome for like a decade or more

[clever crag]

And in my pugs if theres a mage hes 3rd on the meter just above tank

[latent moss]

@olive nest stats check

[clever crag]

Nice

[tidal wraith]

Bruh im 37% crit 14% haste and 25% mastery. My GCD feels soooo bad

My account is cursed

with loot

[rose ibex]

I dunno i feel like mages pump

[soft peak]

with this shit you craft max level itms?

[astral yarrow]

need myth dawn crests as well

[charred brook]

Do you have a gaze

Of any difficulty

[mortal crag]

Yes

[tidal wraith]

Yes

[charred brook]

Wish I was as cursed as you then

[rare kite]

idk. evokers as a whole hasn't had a single bad tier since introduction, one of the specs is always insane

[thick kelp]

devourers r about to go on an insane run in terms of being meta

[clever crag]

Never in my pugs

Only in raids

And pvp ofc

[rare kite]

yeah no doubt. kit is very good and they are getting buffed on reset

[clever crag]

Wtf why

[latent moss]

john midnight spec

apex called midnight

wcyd

[rare kite]

who knows, blizzard moment

[clever crag]

DK in Wotlk moment

[tidal wraith]

Sounds like MS needs a nerf tbh

[rare kite]

iirc it's not a small buff either. like 7-8%

[clever crag]

Insane

[serene horizon]

yo loot bonus rolls on pit sounds good if I only have hero gear right?

[olive nest]

Yooo big Colo stats, I’m offline but I’m just over 1060 in Crit/haste

[tawdry scarab]

Hey guys! Is arms nerfed tomorrow with the change of mortal wounds no longer working with cleave?

[olive nest]

They moved the damage from cleave into demolish

Slight nerf on paper for AoE

In practice we’re thinking it’s going to be very strong because of how often you will get to cast demolish

Also up in ST a decent amount

[clever crag]

And we like demo

Who cares about some dot

[olive nest]

Demolish applies deep wounds anyway

[tawdry scarab]

Okey! Good! I want to level a juicy arms!

[deft oriole]

I feel like more demolish makes up for the loss of one free cleave per warbreaker but then again I could be dead wrong

[olive nest]

You’re correct

[tidal wraith]

cleave also getting 15% buff so while it won't apply dot it will still hit harder but we also get one less charge so idk yet tbh

[clever crag]

The highest dopamine as colo is pressing that 10 stack demo

[rare kite]

?? cleave is not getting a buff xD

imagine cleave getting a buff. would be the craziest shit

[olive nest]

For me the wind up into big ass slam goes so hard

Big demo fan

[flat willow]

What I really like is the revert swing from fervor of battle slam after cleave

Usually I barely look at animations

But it just looks neat

[tidal wraith]

Does practice strikes not apply cleave as it says it does in the notes or am I mistaken?

[dim basalt]

Its a 5% nerf from live

[clever crag]

My slam animation is overhead with a little jump lol as tauren

[dim basalt]

20% on live, 15% on new patch

[mortal crag]

Can anyone confirm if u can tp out of windrunner spire ans then go back before last boss and it's not a long distance away?

[tidal wraith]

oh so they left the down from x out of the notes

[olive nest]

Speaking of jump bro you can perma front flip again as nelf with the lucky keychain on a craft xdd so cool they brought that forward hope it stays

[clever crag]

Yeah or be/worgen

Idk who else got flips

[olive nest]

What does worgen get?

They flip?

[clever crag]

Backflip ?

I think

[olive nest]

BRO

[clever crag]

In form ofc

[olive nest]

I will race change today

[dim basalt]

yes and no, they also added whirlwind to it (lol) which is why the wording is the way it is

[icy atlas]

Slam animation was changed?

[clever crag]

Try it out

[frail hearth]

So in all reality arms is still meh in raids?

[floral tide]

Guys, a friend gifted me $60 blizzard bucks and told me to race change from tauren to vulpera. Do I do it?

[clever crag]

Nah pocket it

[rose ibex]

Also slam having deep wounds buffs clarms as well. Feels like a big clarms patch

[dim basalt]

Only matters in super high keys where tanks also add funnel though

[clever crag]

I need an arms mythic raider who posts content

[dim basalt]

For bosses specifically

[rose ibex]

Naw dude. It's an upswing smack upside the head

[olive nest]

Shirly posts some stuff

Not consistently though

[clever crag]

Nice

He got per boss guides

Thx

[rose ibex]

Ehhhh. Its very minor but I think it helps clarms in general

[mortal crag]

I wish nelf wasn't so bis

I'd go haranir in a heartbeat

[mortal crag]

Anyways does anyone know this

[dim basalt]

How would you leave the dungeon and re-enter it so quickly tho

[mortal crag]

Dungeon portal

Some dungeons in df u even had hearthstone locations next to the entrance

[slim iron]

For the 298 upgrade do you only get 1 or can you get one per week?

[reef prairie]

If killing the orc boss doesn't proc a checkpoint then it'd be the normal runback I think

[dim basalt]

Once the questline is completed you can rarely drop shards and with 4 shards you can craft the upgrade or something

[mortal crag]

Ye that's what I need to check

Cba

[reef prairie]

Can just check a vod of someone doing a spire

[mortal crag]

I'll check a vod of myself

Cuz I'm just that guy

[slim iron]

Drop rate?

[dim basalt]

No idea

Can drop in most content though

[mortal crag]

Going slayer last boss would be so giga epic

On windrunner

Colossus doom

[rare kite]

any melee is meh in raids. most ranged favoured tier of alltime

[flat willow]

colossus on last boss of spire is really an experience like nothing else in this game

[mortal crag]

When any other class tires telling u that they lose just as much as u from uptime when YOU ALREADY DO TANK DPS

Lmao

[reef prairie]

https://youtu.be/u8GUw8tKib4?t=1648&si=5hIUAiRquRcRy4SO this is timestamped I believe

[flat willow]

makes you feel like a survivor in a deserted island, and the tank is the coconut crab trying to kill you (by doing more damage than you)

[reef prairie]

Looks like there is a checkpoint at the orx

Orc

So shouldnt be a long runback to the boss

[mortal crag]

Can't see vid cuz it doesn't have a warrior in it

[mortal crag]

If it's from orc it's just straight up a teleport

[reef prairie]

Yea

[mortal crag]

Question is how much roleplay do I have

[vapid pine]

If you're gonna leave and come back, surely you swap before second to last boss and have the rest handle add damage or?

[flat willow]

when the spirit jump and you can't charge cuz there's arrows on the path

🕺🏽

[mortal crag]

No good checkpoint

[vapid pine]

Cock

[mortal crag]

2kf boss checkpoint has an extra like 20s of walking

Plus we shroud tech

[mortal crag]

AAAAAA

I'm just saving demolish for stun cheese

And leap right after jump

It's legit such a time save

It's like 7s of uptime given

[dim basalt]

Does the wave still do damage?

[mortal crag]

Nope

Ur not stunned

RAAAAAAA TECH

As slayer you just hold bs for it

It's every 40s ish

[flat willow]

I only did this boss on unholy and arms and seeing my damage just being doubled on unholy with same gear makes me irrationally angry

[mortal crag]

Just play arms

Who gives a shit

Get a tank, send him funnel route

Make him hate ur guts

Pump 2x st than anyone else so he has to be ur bitch

Everyone wins

[flat willow]

idk I needed an alt and dk is really relaxing after a key where you had to cancel 2 or 3 demolish cuz you greeded them

[mortal crag]

I AM THE MAIN CHARACTER

RAAAAAAA

[flat willow]

it's like the meme of the tryhard vs the dancing guy

[mortal crag]

Tbh i rarely cancel demos

I swear I usually chill half the keys

Some pulls i mute myself and play Justin Bieber

[flat willow]

that's what I do on unholy

[mortal crag]

Skyreach first pull I BLAST jb

AS LONG AS YOU LOVE ME 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[flat willow]

arms is also fun, when the tank allows you to live by pulling trash to the boss

but I don't know why they really don't like it

[inner panther]

Im guessing we sad about tomorrows changes

[mortal crag]

WE COULD BE STARVING

WE COULD BE HOMELESS

[mortal crag]

Why

[flat willow]

if you are slayer, maybe

[inner panther]

Nerfs tomorrow no?

[flat willow]

col is doing pretty nice

[mortal crag]

Why would u play slayer

In raid it's full st anyway

[inner panther]

Oh ok col still alive and well tomorrow?

[mortal crag]

So u get a buff

Colo literally buffed

ARMS ON TOP

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[inner panther]

Sorry am smoothbrain, saw a video saying the changes were nerfs

[mortal crag]

Both slayer and Colo got buffed

[inner panther]

Cleave change or whatever

[flat willow]

col is getting st buff, very small sustained aoe nerf but on practice can be a buff even on aoe

[stable fiber]

Shift of power

Buff imo but net neutral overall

[flat willow]

slayer I'm not excited cuz no more reap on mortal strike

[rare kite]

link video pls i'm curious on who it is spreading misinformation. my bet is marcellian online

[inner panther]

Just checked tldr on faq

Looks good 😁

[mortal crag]

It's me actually

We must SANDBAG

[inner panther]

A shirleythebandit video

[mortal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/maintaining-the-agenda-agenda-is-priority-priority-agenda-maintain-the-agenda-the-agenda-gif-3278548794073012331

[inner panther]

He just said he wasnt too fond of the changes

[mortal crag]

How

[flat willow]

you know who is eating good tho, these damn outlaw rogues

[mortal crag]

Maybe on slayer ig

[rare kite]

waat shirley spreading misinformation??? he's a die hard arms otp

[inner panther]

But i trust the sims and shit here

[flat willow]

they are going to shoot their little pistol like there's no tomorrow

[inner panther]

He seems heavy in love with arms

So its why i assumed

[mortal crag]

Arms this season is megafun

I'm an arms convert

🧎‍♂️

[inner panther]

Yeh i just tried colo

Just made warr as new alt

Colo in keys feels like cheating

[mortal crag]

S2 tww arms was mentally draining

[flat willow]

arms is in the best position, not super good in the raid and awesome in m+

so you don't get nerfed

the exact opposite of fury in s1 of war within

[inner panther]

The sad thing is i mostly play raid not keys 🤣

[mortal crag]

S1 war within fury didn't exist

[inner panther]

Maybe not anymore

[mortal crag]

The good thing about arms in raid is u just send st

[flat willow]

there's no greater curse than being too good at doing a raid boss

[mortal crag]

It's mentally so good

To not care about adds

[inner panther]

Slayer st is decent enough?

[mortal crag]

Yeah

U just full st

[cursive aspen]

Is there a Marco for stance dancing tied with Die by the sword?

[mortal crag]

Ur boss damage is fine

Maybe u cleave a lil bit but ur like 80% full st

And colo on dragons and vanguard

[mortal crag]

Why would u do that

[flat willow]

that doesn't sound like a good idea, usually def stance + spell reflect is enough to tank most things and you don't wanna press it while die is still on cd and now when you go back to battle stance you waste it

[proven veldt]

or a situation like ick and krick fixate where you can DBTS and take no damage

[mortal crag]

Yeah

[proven veldt]

auto swapping to D stance for no reason and losing damage

[mortal crag]

Can't imagine ever needing it automatically

[mortal crag]

U also can play stancr mastery

Dstance broken

[proven veldt]

if you really wanted to create that macro you can though

[cursive aspen]

Right but pressing while your cd is on, it doesn't cause any harm? Going back into battle stance?

[late lantern]

'though it will use Demolish more consistently and prioritize Slam against single targets for more bleed damage and better rage efficiency than juggling Ravager/Cleave/non-SD Execute.'

Why is that?
.

[mortal crag]

You're losing 3s of damage

[astral yarrow]

/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;[known:386164]!Battle Stance;[known:386196]!Berserker Stance
/cast Die By the Sword```

[mortal crag]

Mortal wounds

And practiced strikes

[cursive aspen]

3s of damage, to survive for 3s makes more sense no?

[strange comet]

Got moved to slam instead of cleave right?

[mortal crag]

But what would possibly require u to have both

[mortal crag]

Yeah so it's more valuable in st over exec now

[astral yarrow]

there is never a good argument to macro it, but you can use that macro if you want to try it out

maybe it works for you

[stable fiber]

When would you ever need both

[mortal crag]

U can do it manually so why would u need a macro that will make u lose damage

Every time u dbts

[proven veldt]

would purely be simplification/reducing binds while learning

[mortal crag]

Also if u just slam Justin Bieber

[proven veldt]

but better to just practice

[mortal crag]

Ur tankier

[mortal crag]

Yes but if ur learning surely ur not doing any content where u need it?

[proven veldt]

justin bieber, in a payphone

[mortal crag]

So it still makes no sense

It's bad habit

Also arms has like 3 defensive binds anyway so

[cursive aspen]

No I mean like it's a big oh fuck button, pop dbts and def stance to save yourself? For 3 secs then go back to damage?

[mortal crag]

But what were asking is why would u be in a situation where u need it

[cursive aspen]

Or does it not overlap?

[mortal crag]

Sure, but u can do it manually

No it doesn't

U can use both

Dstance is only strong vs predictable damage

Otherwise it's just a "pray it helps"

[cursive aspen]

Ah ok

Thanks

[mortal crag]

It's good don't get me wrong

It's very good

But u use defensives before the damage happens not after

[proven veldt]

speaking of, does anyone have a link to a good updated d stance reminder

[mortal crag]

Like
U can tank the academy miniboss giant circle with just reflect and dstance

[rose ibex]

Have we figured out what to use our void rolls on?

[mortal crag]

U really don't need dbts+dstance for anything

[rose ibex]

I guess gaze?

[mortal crag]

I'm sending pit

It's either raid trinkets or pit

[rose ibex]

So many items in pit

[dim basalt]

?

[clever crag]

Hmm so you go colo on first boss

[ionic mica]

eat the rich

[clever crag]

Interesting

[mortal crag]

What

Raid?

[clever crag]

Ye

[mortal crag]

U can do both ig

Maybe after nerf u go Colo?

But u can do both iirc

[clever crag]

This yt guide guy went colo

[proven veldt]

colossus is going to lose value on imperator as the adds die faster and faster as people get more gear + raid buffs

[clever crag]

To pad adds

[sudden owl]

anything change with talents today for the main 3 builds

[mortal crag]

Depends when the guide was released

[clever crag]

True

[mortal crag]

Ye exactly

Can't imagine Colo being useful there nowadays

[clever crag]

But colo also buffed

[mortal crag]

I sent st slayer

[clever crag]

So you just went pure st

And saved cds for adds

?

[mortal crag]

Honestly my guild are animals

[clever crag]

2nd cds

[mortal crag]

I just go full st almost all bosses

I think 2nd I sent adds ye

Just smash and bs

[mortal crag]

Like in a bad way

They fiend pad

[clever crag]

This guy went demo/cs and saved rav for adds

[mortal crag]

So I cba

Rav on boss is pointless tbf

Unless 35% and no more adds

[clever crag]

Exceot execute

Yeah

[mortal crag]

But yeah check guide date

[clever crag]

Ill just go slayer

And save a set

[proven veldt]

how did unholy get much larger buffs than frost dk lol

[clever crag]

lol fury nerfed and devourer giga buffed

Why the f

[deft kraken]

Blizzard sucks. Like FR. WTF?

https://www.wowhead.com/news/estimated-class-tuning-for-patch-12-0-5-devourer-dh-buffed-again-marks-aoe-381295?utm_source=discord-webhook

[astral yarrow]

how did unholy get much larger buffs than frost dk lol

[fast warren]

is blizzard smoking crack or what

[proven veldt]

balance is hard, blizzard gets too much shit from pepole just whining, etc etc etc

but these changes are.......not good on balance lol

[fast warren]

so is blizzard smoking crack or what

[storm canopy]

Lets reroll dk

[olive nest]

It seems as though warrior doesn’t have a passionate dev

The wizard lovers just toss some numbers at it and see what happens

[flat willow]

The dk dev is very passionate

[proven veldt]

a lot of the changes seem like good structural changes for a lot of classes

and then there's an entire tuning pass that just....didn't happen

[astral yarrow]

some warrior player ran off with the warr dev's wife

wcyd

go next xpac

[olive nest]

Lmao

[deft kraken]

Yeah. I was definitely expecting some numbers changes to come alongside the ability adjustments. WILD that we get none of that.

[river ridge]

Best guess is they'll do something on Friday once they have more data

But could also see them leaving specs at the bottom

[stable fiber]

Dev dh buffs are the most egregious there

[deft kraken]

They could have done something anytime every single week since raid went live and we’ve gotten bullshit changes Every. Single. Patch.

[olive nest]

I would love to hear the reasoning

[deft kraken]

Keep buffing DH, DK. Why not?

[olive nest]

It has to be the most bullshit thing too xdd

[proven veldt]

yea, I think tuning for next week is very likely

[storm canopy]

I mean unholy buff is also crazy

[stable fiber]

That spec is just the best at everything lmao

[olive nest]

Like that chart actually says 6-8% aoe buff for DDH

[stable fiber]

I'm not sold on the dk changes being that good but

We will see

Nerf to fury st goes hard

[flat willow]

if we really live in a world where fury st got nerfed while unholy st got buffed

[olive nest]

All the fury guys can do is cope that they get buffed next week

😂

[gaunt wigeon]

"All they had to do was buff us enough to parse." 🔥🏭

[woeful kelp]

Wait you’re not gonna parse better because you got buffed 😂 everyone you compete against got buffed too

[deft kraken]

I want my 80 parse to beat a DHs 25 parse. That’s all.

[gaunt wigeon]

not getting the reference
you
pick 2

[woeful kelp]

I never said I’m smart

[gaunt wigeon]

Guess I have to add a warehouse beside the fire.

[vapid spire]

Blizzard patch notes be like : "We've noticed Devourer DH and Unholy Dk are more than 50% of the top 100 on the leaderboard so we decided to give them another buff"

[olive nest]

Had to solidify the position

[vapid spire]

"Replaced the chat box with videos of minecraft parkour brainrot for the Devourer DH"

[misty sandal]

San'layn had to be taken out back and shot in the head for that buff 😭

[latent moss]

good

[wicked slate]

Can anybody help please? I normally macro Avatar & trinkets to my CS, I just had puzzle box drop and this now breaks everything. Any advice?

[latent moss]

fuckass hero talent

boring as shit

[olive nest]

Disenchant that dogass cast trinket

[misty sandal]

Puzzlebox has a channel

[trail lantern]

cus puzzle is channeled u cant use it with macro

[vast helm]

we dead

[rose ibex]

Puzzle gives me depression everytime I use it

Cast it into the fire

[slow saddle]

go to hc

[wicked slate]

I was hoping that when the macro a second time (with box on cd) it would just skip that and cast CS, but it just does nothing

[slow saddle]

use the haste one

[slow saddle]

R:i:P

[slow saddle]

Now that reap doesnt come from MS

can we get SOME FUCKING BUFFS TO MS !

15% ms buff when

[last saddle]

look how the turn tables...

[wicked slate]

I hate it too, but just a 266 puzzle box will beat my 246 delve trinkets :/

[slow saddle]

i 100% presumed the 5% ms loss for col was to make room for gen buff

[slow saddle]

no

qol matters more

esp a puzzle not pushed mid pulls

coz who tha fuck stops globals for 2sec

[olive nest]

Yeah I liked it until I had to run it on paladins

[last saddle]

lol

[olive nest]

Fk that trinket

Frfr

[slow saddle]

Why didnt u run the haste one ?

from 1st boss

[olive nest]

I ran what I had

[last saddle]

they dont drop and we have 8 dks

[slow saddle]

❤️

[olive nest]

I don’t have guidon

[last saddle]

😔

[slow saddle]

well then run heart

[olive nest]

I’m using a roll on aver today

[slow saddle]

and the other 1

[olive nest]

If it doesn’t drop

[last saddle]

i took guidon from vault this week so i get gaze in vault next week

[wicked slate]

Hoping I can get the trinket from skyhold to drop

[slow saddle]

y heart + gaze why not?

[last saddle]

im rolling on chim

we are extending lockout i think

[olive nest]

And now that first DK has it the second guidon to drop will go too second DK on the roster

[last saddle]

so cant even use rolls

[olive nest]

[slow saddle]

facts 😄

[last saddle]

for void shire

[slow saddle]

I HATE the fact taht am includes avatar

i just wanna be a 30 sec CS 1.5m Avatar class

[last saddle]

vana is taking out loot privileges away bc the stupid ranged players fuck around on reclear too much

they dont move they dont kick they dont look at their monitor

we wiped to chim like 9 times bc they wouldnt kick the far add in intermission

[slow saddle]

and then have avatar be + 30% dmg and 30% rage

IDGAF

MAKE MY RAGE RAGING

[olive nest]

Idk what his plans are exactly but if I had to guess we reclear one more time this week and he’ll get pissed at the reclear performance so then we’ll be extendo prison until crown dies

[slow saddle]

facts

and if u clear it easily

[wicked slate]

Anybody tested the colossus buff? Does Demolish line up with every CS now?

[slow saddle]

its the same he will say u spend all the focus u shouldda spend on crown

[last saddle]

basically it does

[olive nest]

The problem is everyone knows we’re on the edge of extending so they all try to parse whor and it fucks our reclear speed

[rose ibex]

I got guidon last week. My first hero trinket! Just in time for Clarms buffs

It is destiny

I am destined to whoosh

Whoosh and clang

[olive nest]

Grats king guidon owns on Colo arms

Especially now

[stable fiber]

it should on ST

[rose ibex]

Its bittersweet

Ive been hunting a hero trinket all expansion

[slow saddle]

just get more crit !

[rose ibex]

My luck is abysmal

And slayer is more fun

But it seems my path is chosen

[hexed canopy]

Anyone with a good interrupt tracker addon? 🙂

[slow saddle]

haha very funny

ship sailed

[glass plank]

X2 idk why i have more fun with slayer

[radiant patio]

friends, for slayer aoe, what is the prio? cleave and then MS or sudden death?

[trail lantern]

blizzi interrupt tracker (or something like this)

[vast helm]

what are we playing?

[rose ibex]

Feels very fast with all the procs. If RNJesus is smiling upon you, it really feels great to play

[hexed canopy]

@trail lantern Will try that. Thanks alot

[rose ibex]

Its also just visually fun

Slayer strikes just making you a bayblade

[mystic bronze]

Cleave > MS > SD > Overpower I believe

[radiant patio]

that's the most important part imo, having fun ❤️

[mortal crag]

Pre-gaming before team keys

[radiant patio]

i also prefere slayer, provided that demolish feels like you are hitting like a train

[glass plank]

Truee 😊 i like colosus too until i reach a ST boss lol..

[radiant patio]

the 3rd strike feels especially good, but i simply cannot play arms without bladestorm

[wind hatch]

SD > MS

after reset OP > MS too

[astral yarrow]

0 visual feedback on demolish and it feels like shit

[mystic bronze]

wat

[mortal crag]

agaard

[astral yarrow]

hello

[radiant patio]

fr?

[mortal crag]

im gonna demolish my toilet w some visual feedback after my boy dinner

(pics above)

[dire hinge]

Yeeaaaah

Dinner of infinite toilet despair

Might I suggest some vegetables

[astral yarrow]

my boy dinner was rice crackers and hard boiled eggs mashed with chili oil

[mortal crag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bugs-bunny-bunny-1

[astral yarrow]

vegetables are optional

or rather, vegetables are the seasoning

[mortal crag]

i ate a pizza shaped piece of candy

vegies init

[dire hinge]

Seasoning doesnt have meaningful calories 😭

[mortal crag]

what if i eat

a kilo of pepper flakes

[dire hinge]

None of y’all are invited to the cookout smh

[mortal crag]

I AM THE COOKOUT

[rose ibex]

I can smell that plate. Delicious

[mortal crag]

A 1-kilogram (1,000 g) bag of paprika contains approximately 2,820 to 3,160 calories. While high in calories by weight, typical usage is very small (e.g., 1 tablespoon is only about

calories).

[wind hatch]

yes MS is losing reap

[mortal crag]

19-20

calories

btw

[astral yarrow]

how many freedom units is that

i need it in fluid ounces

[marsh thistle]

who is responsible that we are not getting buffed

[long yarrow]

damnit i was just getting used to slayer because its easierto play and now they made colossus even better then slayer

[astral yarrow]

the warrior player that slept with the developers wife

[marsh thistle]

[astral yarrow]

they arent that different though

although demolish can suck the fattest of wangs

[long yarrow]

doesnt colossus do way more aoe than slayer?

[astral yarrow]

yes, im talking abotu how you play them

[long yarrow]

ohh gotcha

yeah the Biz guy on youtube says slayers way easier to play

strange to buff colossus even more, it was already ahead

[bleak wadi]

slayer buffed guys or same ?

[spice epoch]

Is guidon bis on arms now?

[fast plover]

#updates-midnight

[sand totem]

Bro why are you eating the food equivalent of a suicide note?

[long yarrow]

how is colossus becoming easier to play in m+?

[fast plover]

I also don't see it

[daring heron]

I'd gladly eat that tbf

[restive kindle]

same tbh

[warm fog]

It can use slam now instead of needing some of the odd filler

[sand totem]

Love of god add some sides

[daring heron]

I see food, i eat

[sand totem]

You can be better. I believe in you.
Eat some fiber.

[daring heron]

i do

[olive nest]

I would argue yes

[grim oasis]

pepsi and steak is goated

[astral yarrow]

it is not easier, its just not hard, or at least not harder than slayer

[olive nest]

Guidon makes it so you can extend cs long enough to get your second demolish inside of it

[astral yarrow]

CS on cooldown, and just press whatever you have that aligns with it

treat ravagar as an aoe only button and dont think about pressing it on bosses

[long yarrow]

hmm, maybe the dude made colossus out to be way harder than slayer. The major differences I see are ravager instead of bladestorm, and adds demolish

[spice epoch]

Ahh I see, thanks for that I’ll sim and try get my hands on it 👍

[astral yarrow]

its just a lot of active buttons, but whether you press slam/op/mortal strike where it wasnt optimal is never gonna be the end of the world

[long yarrow]

I just started dabbling in arms so

[astral yarrow]

as long as you slam cleave on cooldown on 3+ targets

[radiant patio]

oh ok! and we swap fierece followthough with opportunist?

[rose ibex]

#news message

It is baffling to me that they buffed devourer and uh dk

[scarlet mortar]

is it tho

[rose ibex]

I just want to understand why

Like, what is the reasoning

[radiant patio]

they really want DKs to be meta for some reason, look at TWW

[rose ibex]

It seems counter to what I've been seeing

[long yarrow]

no one knows why they buff and nerf the things they buff and nerf

[rose ibex]

These classes are dominating m+

[long yarrow]

its the weirdest thing

[rose ibex]

I know its always been this way but I just want to know why

Like why were ww monks nerfed last week despite underperforming in everything?

[mortal crag]

idk im euro

[astral yarrow]

i know

[mortal crag]

STREAM TIME

BTW

ETA GG

chill jb songs

COLO ARMS GAMEPLAY SPAMMING JUSTIN BIEBER

LEGO

[astral yarrow]

we have dms in danish my man

[grim oasis]

blizzard doesnt care about m+ balance

get that out of your head

[rose ibex]

Where is the logic in their decisions

[astral yarrow]

0

[grim oasis]

devo dh is the hero class of the expac

it has to be op

look at pres in s1 df

[astral yarrow]

no thoughts, head empty

[trail lantern]

there's none

[rose ibex]

Are they doing changes based on raid? Because ww monk was bottom of the barrel there too

Are uh dks really doing poorly in raid?

[slow saddle]

??

[grim oasis]

its also not the same dev working on every spec.

[slow saddle]

WW monk was good in raid

wdym

[rose ibex]

Oh I thought they were bad

[grim oasis]

shaman has a very involved dev, same as dk, same as hunter

[slow saddle]

they have one of the best bursts?

and so does dk

[mortal rivet]

UH is smack dab in the middle overall, 3rd in ST, godly in m+

[rose ibex]

I never see them

[slow saddle]

best Melee st

and can do range shit

id say

[deft bluff]

Gang do i just suck if i struggle to get my cleaves and demolishes to hit every target

[molten wigeon]

So the only thing that’s changing rotationally for colossus in ST is just actually factually pressing slam now right

[deft bluff]

And forget to put rend everywhere

[rose ibex]

It would make sense if they balanced around raid but if that were really the case then they should probably throw a few specs a bone

[slow saddle]

yes

[deft bluff]

Thank you

[mortal rivet]

And more demolishes

[deft bluff]

I shall improve

[molten wigeon]

Big sigma

[mortal rivet]

Yup that’s all true 🙃

[astral yarrow]

busy reworking paladin/dk/spriest

[slow saddle]

that is also true

keep in mind