Hope it feels good being toxic to a simple question apprently that you did not know the answer to
#arms
elfin kindle
elfin kindle
Prio== st, u cant read
woeful kelp
Hope it feels good being toxic to a simple question apprently that you did not k...
If it makes u feel better im lurking cause its funny and you’re right
elfin kindle
Nvm your sry for bothering you gokke, if you dont get it its okay
dire hinge
👋 Im off to bed soon, but just wanted to chime in that the DW on "Slam change" does mean prio.
You may be confusing "priority damage" with "less damage overall".
You're correct that Cleave applied DW to everything is more dps overall. This is going away.
Now, Cleave will only apply DW to the 1-2 targets affected by your Fervor of Battle instead. This is less damage overall (for DW), but now DW is exclusively applied to your main target + a single swept target. This means you're doing more damage to a prioritized target. It's less dps than before, but technically more priority focused.
elfin kindle
Go be rude to strangers if that makes you feel empowered or good at wow
elfin kindle
👋 Im off to bed soon, but just wanted to chime in that the DW on "Slam change" ...
No my original question was is it mainly a st change not a prip change, nothing else
But yes if ill do more st ill do more prio, but its still st buff not prio buff
Prio buff is two fob for example, thats not a st buff
dire hinge
right, but all changes to arm's single target, by nature, impact our Priority DPS in AoE thanks to spells like Sweeping Strikes and Fervor of Battle.
We are not "single target vs AoE", we are "single target vs priority AoE"
minor gust
really the main buff is the demo cdr
that change a lone is massive
the slam DW shit who cares
Demo cdr is carrying colo in 12.05
dire hinge
Yeah, being able to demo more frequently means the first 2 strike os Demo (which are affected by Sweeping Strikes) are being sent 2x more frequently
and, of course, big bonk.
minor gust
First two hits of Demo are big prio dmg
now in aoe you are casting demo every 15 sec
double the demo casts in aoe is big
which means bigger prio
dire hinge
Prio buff is two fob for example, thats not a st buff
As long as have Sweeping Strikes, all of our ST buffs are forever tied to doing more Priority damage
I feel like you're stuck on some semantics here a little bit.
While you're in AoE you still do "single target" abilities, but via SS you're doing Priority damage.
Unless blizzard stops us from doing MS in AoE that'll always be the case
minor gust
insert +1 reaction image here if I was yellow
dire hinge
same with Demo, same with FoB
but yeah Frozenbozo said it best: dont get too hung up on things just press buttons
elfin kindle
As long as have Sweeping Strikes, all of our ST buffs are forever tied to doing ...
Ill explain it one more time, ive asked if its primarily a st and not a prio buff, then two people went off sayinf yeah bro are u an idiot its prio cause now u proc dw on slam did u even read ur talents are u stupid??
Its primarily a ST buff not a priority buff, but i understand that a st buff buffs priority
smoky kayak
so there's a couple things to unpack here
forest dove
Seeing as how in aoe, demolish is pretty well synced up with colossal smash, do we foresee the increased CDR coming tomorrow on demolish causing us to ever send demolish without CS?
minor gust
Seeing as how in aoe, demolish is pretty well synced up with colossal smash, do ...
you will send Demo on CD in aoe
smoky kayak
single target and priority are largely used interchangeably, even if they might not always refer to the exact same thing
- most single target damage is priority damage
- not all priority damage is necessarily single target
weak wave
getting some popcorn while waiting for @elfin kindle to call Archimtiros stupid and not understanding warrior mechanics
minor gust
🪤
nova marsh
smoky kayak
Also the Demolish CDR change doesn't really result in more casts of Demolish, so much as more consistent use of Demolish - you still want to use it during Colossus Smash, so you're limited by its cooldown instead, but the change pretty much ensures that you're going to have Demolish off cooldown by the time Colossus Smash comes back
- in rare situations you may get two Demos in one Colossus Smash, you need Hero + Haste procs + extension to make it happen, so it's not a regular thing
- if you're a mega Demo enjoyer, you can just ignore CS entirely and press Demo on cooldown if you want; it's not better, but it's not significantly worse either, and it will result in a couple more Demolishes over time
elfin kindle
*getting some popcorn while waiting for <@260808375166697472> to call Archimtiro...
You still dont get it do you xd gg helpless
nova marsh
So essentially its just for alignment
minor gust
It's basically in aoe you are doing CS - demo - demo - CS - Demo and that third demo always comes up mid 2nd CS duration and it kinda just flows from there
forest dove
Also the Demolish CDR change doesn't *really* result in more casts of Demolish, ...
Ahhh okay, but if I kept doing what I’m doing now and lining them up, that’s fine then? Just seems like it will be more consistent that they line up well?
smoky kayak
So essentially its just for alignment
pretty much yeah, I believe on average the sim only gets like... two more Demolishes over 5 minutes
forest dove
It's basically in aoe you are doing CS - demo - demo - CS - Demo and that third ...
So you’re saying something different than @smoky kayak , unless I’m misunderstanding
elfin kindle
pretty much yeah, I believe on average the sim only gets like... two more Demoli...
Was that for st or for aoe, or for all situations?
dim basalt
So you’re saying something different than <@61282228017041408> , unless I’m misu...
Archim is talking about ST, Frozen about aoe
smoky kayak
actually I was talking about both
minor gust
actually I was talking about both
How are you not getting extra casts then in aoe with all that CDR? No way your holding that 2nd demo for next CS
dim basalt
^
smoky kayak
because you're holding for Colossus Smash
throwing Demo outside of CS just misaligns them
elfin kindle
Thats for no downtime situations tho i assume
dim basalt
hmm
minor gust
But the third demo is always in CS tho
elfin kindle
Mplus is a bit different
smoky kayak
But the third demo is always in CS tho
there's no consistency to that, as they operate on different forms of CDR
nova marsh
So wait
smoky kayak
you want to keep Demo during CS because Demo triggers multiple additional effects that all stack well together
- CS damage buff
- Demo haste buff
- Demo damage debuff
and that overlap is very powerful
smoky kayak
Does this mean we get no rota changes?
that is not correct - see #updates-midnight
minor gust
you want to keep Demo during CS because Demo triggers multiple additional effect...
Thing that just confuses me I guess is the latest apl Fishy sent me had demo being cast on CD regardless of CS or not
Unless I'm reading something wrong
smoky kayak
we experimented with that, but it never came out any better
minor gust
Hmm
limber dirge
Me hold button for when can push 2 button consecutively. Me understand.
minor gust
That still just seems so weird and bad. The CDR change may as well not be anything for aoe if you have to hold Demo for CS
safe island
i’m just gonna press slam now. im a warrior
smoky kayak
in both single and multitarget, you always want to Demolish during Colossus Smash
- in single target, just send it immediately, number of stacks doesn't really matter all that much
in multitarget, there's a little more leeway for optimization
- if you 10 stacks of Colossal Might, use it immediately (or as soon as you get them)
- if you don't reach 10 stacks, use it a couple seconds before Colossus Smash ends, just to get it on cooldown before the next cycle
- or if you want to be easy mode, just send it at the start of Colossus Smash
smoky kayak
That still just seems so weird and bad. The CDR change may as well not be anythi...
why I said, it's mostly consistency, and part of this is also due to the whole extension deal - I didn't really bother to look at it without the tier set, but I feel like that would likely encourage just throwing Demo on CD
Also just throwing Demo on CD was like a 0.3-0.4% difference so 
minor gust
That's something I might just do anyways then lol
There's so many other benefits to demo on cd
Than just dmg
nova marsh
Tbh since I've already practiced holding for cs ill probably just do it anyways
Its easier to remeber
minor gust
You get the DR and more bleed healing which is something to account for
buoyant axle
More Demo more haste
smoky kayak
There are always individual situations to consider, if you're playing a high haste gamer with good lust timings, plus banner, and some other shit, you may very well have a better time (or at least feel better) throwing Demo on your own cadence
but for the most part, consistency is king in WoW, especially when it comes to trying to write common guides that are easily digestible to the average player; for the purposes of those guides, I recommend just using it during Colossus Smash for the time being
- it's easy to time
- it's burstier
- it's less prone to being wasted if something doesn't line up well at some point
remember, most M+ isn't 5m of straight combat with a consistent number of targets - there's downtime, movement, mob collection, and mechanics that all get in the way of just blasting everything on CD the moment it becomes available
elfin kindle
With extra downtime and gathering pulls etc in mplus (atleast in my higher keys) it might me a col send sometimes without cs, depending on how it ligns up
smoky kayak
I would say it's probably the other way around, especially for that first use of Demolish which doesn't already have 10 stacks, but you do you - as long as you're pushing buttons, it's not gonna make a profound difference either way
elfin kindle
My first use generally always has 10, i get my tank to kegsmash and i stack while gathering with ms op
minor gust
It's def another you could make arguments for both situation. If the difference is minimal at the end of the day
Yeah in M+ it's easy to get 10 for first demo
Especially when your able to pre SS
nova marsh
Espically since we cant spam rend...for some reason
marsh thistle
what are we going to play in raid then?
elfin kindle
Tldr play the same, its a ST buff not Prio buff ggwp
minor gust
The same thing you been playing in raid
weak wave
I would say it's probably the other way around, especially for that first use of...
And what do you think about the Slayer nerf? This cant be intended could it?
smoky kayak
And what do you think about the Slayer nerf? This cant be intended could it?
I don't believe its intended to be a nerf no, it just happens to work out that way
radiant sonnet
I think slayer is unplayable after this nerf
nova marsh
I think slayer will get buffed
minor gust
Slayer ain't unplayable
weak wave
Hopefully 😐
nova marsh
It wouldn't surprise me if the buff was just kinda forgotten for realese
dusk lake
Can anyone sensibly comment on how negatively slayer will be impacted? I’m not a huge demo enjoyer myself
nova marsh
They seemed more focused on getting the reap changes right
nova marsh
Can anyone sensibly comment on how negatively slayer will be impacted? I’m not a...
Thats basically the most sensible answer ur gonna get
dusk lake
Yeah i read that but i meant more like as the end result in practice. I guess ill have to test it out
minor gust
No one's done 12.05 keys
dusk lake
Thats basically the most sensible answer ur gonna get
Yeah that’s fair. Only time will tell
nova marsh
End result in practice is wait till 4pm tomorrow
dusk lake
Fingers crossed slarms will not be far behind in m+
dim basalt
Fingers crossed slarms will not be far behind in m+
I have bad news for you
minor gust
It's not gonna be far behind it's gonna be behind Colo.
Your still gonna keep up with other specs
And top overall
smoky kayak
Unless I'm reading something wrong
went ahead and ran this again btw, it does come closer together as you get into higher numbers of targets; I would say that if you just wanna throw Demo on CD, it's very safe to do so, but it's still probably best to think about what's happening in the pull and what's coming up next, so use your best judgement
dusk lake
Your still gonna keep up with other specs
That’s what im mostly concerned about so if that will be the case then happy days
smoky kayak
throwing it strictly on CD is also literally the difference of one extra Demolish cast over 5 minutes by the way
dim basalt
Reduce max CM stacks from 10 to 5 
minor gust
went ahead and ran this again btw, it does come closer together as you get into ...
Sounds good thanks for doing that. Was also mostly I just wanna be able to give people the right information on what to do with demo. Been saying send that bad boy on CD and you just came outta nowhere and hit with the actually hodl that bad boy
smoky kayak
for example, this isn't really a "fair" sim because it's only 40 seconds, but you can see that in a specific period of burst, it's much better to align with CS
minor gust
It also just feels infinitely better sending on CD gameplay wise with how much CDR you can get
smoky kayak
and that's why I believe that just syncing it with Colossus Smash results in the most consistent results overall, but I will grant that it may feel better for some players to just throw it on CD
toxic oak
With the 10% dr is it not worth to do in high keys?
minor gust
and that's why I believe that just syncing it with Colossus Smash results in the...
Yeah that's good to know and something to keep in mind in M+
dim basalt
The dr doesnt matter that much in high keys
minor gust
It matters and it doesn't
dim basalt
Nice to have but not something you play around
minor gust
It's hard to quantify
smoky kayak
With the 10% dr is it not worth to do in high keys?
I mean... not particularly. You shouldn't be dying to random damage in high coordinated keys - if you're depending on Demolish to happen to align with important periods of incoming damage, you're really rolling some dice
toxic oak
Not dependent, but say you get demoliosh before unavoidable aoe damage where you normally go defensive stance, you could play around it?
smoky kayak
you should really just be working on identifying what causes those high bursts of damage and either stopping or turtling them with DStance/SR/etc
nova marsh
With the 10% dr is it not worth to do in high keys?
Tbh stance mast and proper use of defensives will matter 20x more then demo ever will
toxic oak
Not arguing on that at all
smoky kayak
Not dependent, but say you get demoliosh before unavoidable aoe damage where you...
well see that's a different question entirely - if you wanna specifically time Demolish to use it defensively, sure you can though it's probably going to result in some degree of damage loss
That's really just something you need to decide for yourself, whether ahead of time or in the moment
dim basalt
Just do your healer a favor and press dstance
balmy kindle
smoky kayak
kinda begs the question - which is a better tradeoff of damage:defensive?
- Lowering your output by using Defensive Stance
- or using Demolish at an inopportune time?
toxic oak
I would never hold til aoe damage for the dr, that was not what I meant. But I get what you're saying
smoky kayak
and the answer to that can vary from moment to moment, right? Maybe you have Demo off cooldown, but you're not in an active position to really hit more than a couple targets with it... in which case we're talking about a more pronounced damage loss than the usual diff of "during CS or on CD"
vast hinge
the dps output being lower by being in dstance is negligible lol, you just gotta use it and switch righ tback 3 sec later
not like youre gonna sit in dstance for the entire fight after the dmg spike is over
dire hinge
Haha yeah who would do that 
minor gust
You aren't relying on the demo DR but it's still a passive benefit with a higher uptime with demo on CD is what I'm understanding. Which may or may not be useful or matter
smoky kayak
the dps output being lower by being in dstance is negligible lol, you just gotta...
generally yes, I mean it adds up if you sit in it, or it aligns with important burst
dire hinge
(I need to reinstall bigbowwl’s warning addon)
dim basalt
(I need to reinstall bigbowwl’s warning addon)
same tbh
I rarely forget but you know, in case I do
bitter pulsar
Might be a dumb question but in 2 target colossus, do we only push cleave at 3 stacks of collateral damage DURING ravager? Or do we use it regardless of ravager or <35% HP?
gentle gyro
Fingers crossed for Ravager rework in s2
nova marsh
Fingers crossed for Ravager rework in s2
Removal
gentle gyro
Yes please
nova marsh
Fuck reworking it just delete that shit
gentle gyro
Same as Merciless Bonegrinder
dusk lake
Same as Merciless Bonegrinder
Binegrinder was correct
gentle gyro
Removal
But they could lowkey just copy slayer. Just remove MBG and give cdr from MS or something
So shit actually lines up
vast hinge
combine cleave and mortal strike 😄 make mortal strike just cleave in multi target and its all fixed
nova marsh
combine cleave and mortal strike 😄 make mortal strike just cleave in multi targ...
Cool colo gets murdered
Actually shot out back
cedar cairn
I mean it seems like colo is still in a great spot compared to slayer
nova marsh
Yes
gentle gyro
I just hate that other abilities are being neglected
gentle gyro
Its just MS or cleave
nova marsh
Like its not even funny
gentle gyro
Rend is dead, DN is dead, HS is just good for stacks, even with FoB its meh
nova marsh
Eh I gotta agree
I get that they want cleave ms to be highlights
But we're leaning towards the extreme of it
Its not as bad as like tww s1 enhance...yet
slow saddle
Rend is dead, DN is dead, HS is just good for stacks, even with FoB its meh
i mean HS deffo isnt MEH
it hits like a truck with FOB
vast hinge
Heroic strike is just such a piss button lol
nova marsh
Hs is fine
slow saddle
i mean think Sub 35%
gentle gyro
i mean HS deffo isnt MEH
Agree to disagree
slow saddle
or Sub 20% let it be send automaticly with ms
vast hinge
i kinda wish it was like a the old vanilla one , you can just use it off gcd to rage dump
and it replaces your auto attack
gentle gyro
All I am saying, they should nerf cleave a bit more and buff other certain abilities
nova marsh
i kinda wish it was like a the old vanilla one , you can just use it off gcd to ...
Then we'd need our rage gen to be functional
gentle gyro
But obv they do what they want
toxic oak
Is there any big talent changes going into reset for colossus now?
slow saddle
and reduce cleave i 100% agree with
gentle gyro
Dragonflight Dreadnaught 
gentle gyro
Beta dreadnaught
slow saddle
tbh BETA ARMS
gentle gyro
Sadly I had no access
nova marsh
Yall just want to swap what does 80% of our damage
gentle gyro
Prolly was fun af
slow saddle
bit of both
stuck yacht
which dungeons is it best to use the bonus roll
gentle gyro
Pit for sure
smoky kayak
Yall just want to swap what does 80% of our damage
problem is players want everything to be 80% of their damage or removed outright, and obviously both of those are untennable
gentle gyro
Ymirjar neck and Garfrost 2h is crazy
gentle gyro
Id rather just have a more balanced distribution
Exactly
smoky kayak
which dungeons is it best to use the bonus roll
depends on what you need, but Pit is the best in terms of number of strong pieces of gear
vast hinge
prob best to just target BIS trinkets first thruogh in raid right
slow saddle
yes
vast hinge
Gaze/Heart
smoky kayak
assuming you need more or less everything, Pit, Magisters, and NPX are generally best
gentle gyro
Is pit crit haste ring better than void / light combo?
I kinda want that pit ring more
slow saddle
i presume void light is bis ?
smoky kayak
Is pit crit haste ring better than void / light combo?
it is if you match it with Eye of Midnight
stuck yacht
assuming you need more or less everything, Pit, Magisters, and NPX are generally...
Thx
smoky kayak
well it doesn't have to be Pit ring, you can do Void + Eye, it's basically the same
if you don't have eye, then the set is likely better
gentle gyro
What was the craft prio again? 2h, then bracers, then whatever?
gentle gyro
I got a 2hander only
slow saddle
and where u gonna bonus roll
ah so
ye bracer // cloak
as 2nd slot
dependin on what u need
bracer coz then u can take socket and not cry
slow saddle
y
gentle gyro
A fixed ppm
gentle gyro
No I mean
slow saddle
also later when u get mythic track weap u make claok - bracer for arcanoweave
gentle gyro
Bracers + cloak
slow saddle
yeye later on when u get that 3 ilvl
gentle gyro
2 arcanes
slow saddle
2 arcane stack
so bis is weap + 2 arcano
i think weapon needs to be mythic track but ask sim
lunar acorn
what is eye ?
gentle gyro
2 arcane stack
Ty ty
I am kinda curious to see what voidforged crafted weapon looks like
Surely not 298
More like 3 ilvl below
fair gust
295
zenith warren
bonus rolling chimaerus or skyreach or smh else?
slow saddle
i mean
austere hamlet
single target and priority are largely used interchangeably, even if they might ...
I’m having a hard time understanding how the changes amount to an 8% prio buff. Slam proccing deep wounds instead of cleave doesn’t change prio damage unless deep wounds from slam hits harder than from cleave? And 2 additional demolishes every 5 minutes can’t be that much. Considering the nerfs to cleave and ms, how is it not a prio nerf as well as an aoe nerf? Prio here being the damage you deal to one specific target in a pull with 3+ targets.
I do understand how it can be a single target buff.
spice epoch
Pretty proud of performance for arms alt
smoky kayak
I’m having a hard time understanding how the changes amount to an 8% prio buff. ...
Cleave crits independently, you can't prioritize it
you can prioritize which target Slam goes onto
but again, splitting hairs over what constitutes priority vs single target is a pretty unimportant distinction
austere hamlet
Cleave crits independently, you can't prioritize it
you can prioritize which tar...
But the cleave and slam hitting the prio target have the same chance to crit no?
vapid pine
Is there an argument to play Colo on more raid bosses next week with buffs? Thinking Chimaerus and Saladbar parsin
austere hamlet
but again, splitting hairs over what constitutes priority vs single target is a ...
Sure, I’m just trying to wrap my head around how powerful we are in which scenarios next reset compared to now.
sudden fox
Pretty proud of performance for arms alt
Did you have the privilege of going down first grp
spice epoch
Did you have the privilege of going down first grp
Group 2 did like 0 add damage, only in intermission or 2t cleave off boss
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nd9QZCHw4fDyMakc?fight=last&type=damage-done
umbral badger
Did you have the privilege of going down first grp
playing arms on that fight makes me feel that it is not a privilege going down first, is it ?
cuz when i am in grp 2 i get t avoid the last "soak" which comes during execute phase
so soaking second = more execute time on boss i feel like
spice epoch
Cheers lad, its heaps diff to sub rogue would love to play arms in prog when we get upto dragons
slow saddle
Sure, I’m just trying to wrap my head around how powerful we are in which scenar...
u are 8% stronger
in ST and prio dmg
so smile
our profile is even better
unless u liked slayer
than tobad
austere hamlet
I'm having a hard time understanding how we are 8% stronger in prio dmg. That's why I'm asking
8% in st is massive though regardless
minor gust
Well just have to see when we actually get to play the game with the changes
I'm not exactly sure whats causing it to be that high either. My assumption was demo cdr but that doesn't seem to actually be the case. Sooo just gonna have to play the game.
nova marsh
Demo cdr change not being good feelsbad
tawdry violet
i just had the pit of saron gargoyle interrupt two demolishes in a row within like 100ms of casting it
rekt
thick kelp
Dont target garg
fair gust
that happened to me aswell haha
minor gust
It can happen you get picked up mid demo cast and it gets cancelled
minor gust
skillissue
So Mr Colossus arms warrior. What are you doing with demo in aoe? Are you sending on CD or holding for CS
In 12.05 
gentle gyro
so smile
8% is kinda meh though right?
Aren't we like 25-30% behind literally any other spec?
thick kelp
So Mr Colossus arms warrior. What are you doing with demo in aoe? Are you sendin...
Sending it at 10stacks if cs up or cs cd > 10
sudden fox
playing arms on that fight makes me feel that it is not a privilege going down f...
First grp benefits from lust timing and another add set I believe
umbral badger
First grp benefits from lust timing and another add set I believe
yea i guess if you wanna hit adds, i go full ST on that fight so i prefer more execute phase
minor gust
Sending it at 10stacks if cs up or cs cd > 10
full obsidian
yea i guess if you wanna hit adds, i go full ST on that fight so i prefer more...
Dont dew it
upbeat wharf
With the changes to Arms on Tuesday, does the rotation change in any way?
paper gulch
minor gust
With the changes to Arms on Tuesday, does the rotation change in any way?
Yes small changes and the wowhead guide will be updated for it tomorrow
fresh spire
I think their updated
blissful tree
i guess it's been ask many times now, but do we cast demolish now without CS or do we still wait for it?
slow saddle
i guess it's been ask many times now, but do we cast demolish now without CS or...
i reckoen its a question of how long u gotta wait
ideally u align em
u just gotta feely craft it id say
dim basalt
Yup it's updated alright <@136186601092022273>
muted willow
it just dawned on me that i have no idea how arms warrior works
why does my cleave do so much damage to the boss?
dim basalt
why does my cleave do so much damage to the boss?
Cleave damage scales with targets due to One Against Many from the colossus tree, that combined with collateral damage + execute makes it hit like crazy
muted willow
Cleave damage scales with targets due to One Against Many from the colossus tree...
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
right on brother
thank you
muted willow
yea i was surprised too lmao
dim basalt
But ele was sandbagging like crazy ig
halcyon valve
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gWKZX7aVdn4hpm2L?fight=28&type=damage-done&...
oh yeah pulling shit onto boss
wish my groups would do that for my funnel 😔
dim basalt
I had a crazy tank in 18 SR who did that for the first two bosses
trail lantern
can someone explain why colossus comes easier to play in 12.0.5 in m+ ?
still fox
so crafted weapon to 294 or 298?
trail lantern
instead of 9000 priorities
but the exe rotation remains the same I guess ?
latent moss
It goes up 10 ilvl
ye that
latent moss
but the exe rotation remains the same I guess ?
its just ms op slam now
exe with sd or very high rage
but u dont have to
still fox
okay so when weapon in vault, go with it and make 2x arcano
loud mauve
st is ms>op>slam
ms>op>SD execute>slam, isn't it?
latent moss
ye
latent moss
and we using heroic strike ?
ye
latent moss
hs is top prio
latent moss
m+ colo chatting
mild sierra
oh colo
latent moss
goat hero talent
thick kelp
Dont press it
ionic mica
Archi said earlier to not worry about rav cleaves in ST unless you know nothing else is coming to save it for, and tbh to just slam regardless
Not worth thinking about
bronze nest
ah nice
ionic mica
Thank god
mortal crag
Do we time windspire 20 today chat
mortal crag
Dont press it
Look at all these colossus rerollers
They don't know anything, unlike me, a colossus reroller from 2 weeks ago
thick kelp
They don't know anything, unlike me, a colossus reroller from 2 weeks ago
omE
smh fotm rerollerse
mortal crag
I've been playing colossus in st 3 weeks in advance by skipping the priority
Knowing I'll max dps output when the new patch comes
I just sent based on feels
floral tide
Colossus is the class fantasy imo
tender plaza
Ppl seem to hate arms when it comes to m+, I get more declines than my 200 rating unh
floral tide
I'm excited to hopefully not do tank dmg in m+ on ST
coral birch
looks like colossus is the play now
fleet stirrup
I'm excited to hopefully not do tank dmg in m+ on ST
got some bad news for ya buddy
floral tide
I mean isn't the general consensus that ST colossus is going up?
fleet stirrup
8% of 0 is still 0
thick kelp
floral tide
🙄
halcyon pumice
when we use mortal stike ?
cleave = higher prio then mortal strike?
floral tide
"but 0 x 8% is zero!" /s
floral tide
2%
floral tide
Yeah but we get two demolishes
sharp wyvern
if you get crits
floral tide
I'm built different I always crit (joking)
sharp wyvern
slayer might burst higher than colossus now with the buffed BS
blissful tree
"…taking Opportunist and focusing Overpower > Mortal Strike in Mythic+, though there are no talent or gameplay changes in raid." this is because MS does not trigger reap the storm anymore?
sharp wyvern
mortal strike could trigger reap ?
blissful tree
it did
sharp wyvern
blissful tree
MS and cleave with 3 targets
thick kelp
"…taking Opportunist and focusing Overpower > Mortal Strike in Mythic+, though t...
yes
blissful tree
but now only cleave with 3 targets (right?
thick kelp
but now only cleave with 3 targets (right?
cleave at 3 or SD whenever
candid garden
Now becoming meh in both instead
candid garden
I compare to other classes
thick kelp
you will probably see colossus arms in mdi
candid garden
Mdi is a meme, 20% avoidance
latent moss
wallife is playing it
thick kelp
pre buffs too
latent moss
Now becoming meh in both instead
xdddd
thick kelp
imagine post buffs more ppl will play it
candid garden
I think u guys are underestimating the effect of 4 -> 3 cleaves
latent moss
myrt said chinese are readying up arms
hasty pumice
I think u guys are underestimating the effect of 4 -> 3 cleaves
I think you are underestimating sims
thick kelp
myrt said chinese are readying up arms
who the fuck is myrt Chatting
Cant wait to see CHINESE ARMS
candid garden
Sims are poop, look logs instead
hasty pumice
Arms isn't played for one time huge burst
latent moss
ye farover
hasty pumice
We are an uptime class
latent moss
21 pit
trail lantern
I think u guys are underestimating the effect of 4 -> 3 cleaves
ye u have to use more mortal strikes to build 5 stacks of colossal might thats "all"
thick kelp
myrt said chinese are readying up arms
hasty pumice
https://tenor.com/view/asian-drink-eggs-breakfast-gif-10173800
Looks delicious
Can I have some?
latent moss
https://tenor.com/view/asian-drink-eggs-breakfast-gif-10173800
mmmm
thick kelp
Can I have some?
its the chinese arms prep
hasty pumice
A quick snack for a warrior main
Arms col will be in a great spot tomorrow
Especially with 2 targets or funnel prio damage on bosses
I feel like the boss damage will go up significantly with good tanks
Also not having to press cleave below 35% feels nice, not getting HS procs felt weird
candid garden
Arms isn't played for one time huge burst
Having both is flexible, not having is limiting
hasty pumice
Having both is flexible, not having is limiting
Bro you lose one cleave, it's not that big of a deal in return to 50x more demolishs
You apparently get 2 demolishs within one CS window
candid garden
Demolish is trap spell
candid garden
Just keep 10 stack and do overpower
latent moss
🪤
hasty pumice
Ok buddy
candid garden
Redo the apl, the sims are pretty similiar
candid garden
Also make sure to weave in shield slams with wepswap macro
Better filler than slam
thick kelp
Glad stance dancing
candid garden
I show you my hand but you slap it away
gentle gyro
Should I rename myself to Remove Ravager
nova marsh
Should I rename myself to Remove Ravager
Yes
bronze nest
how do you sim for colossus ?
thick kelp
single target and aoe patchwerk at X duration
trail lantern
I was doing 1 target 5 min / 5 targets 5 min and 5 targets 1,5 min
bronze nest
im doing that as well but obviously I get different results 😄
trail lantern
well these are different scenarios 🙂
bronze nest
yeah but which to choose ? 😄
thick kelp
which ever scenario fits your need
bronze nest
it would be great DungeonSlice to work 😄
thick kelp
MOST people sim with 1t X mins
thick kelp
it would be great DungeonSlice to work 😄
it would but it would requier substantial amounts of work and it would need constant upkeep
hoary crest
do we have an updated rotation prio on colossus since the changes ?
hasty pumice
I'm having a horrible time in pugs rn where people throw their key at the end or some weird shit happens
trail lantern
do we have an updated rotation prio on colossus since the changes ?
afaik icy-veins has it updated
hasty pumice
Seat 19 free into we weirdly range pull a pack instead of going to it into the pulsating aoe adds somehow one shot our entire group
Legit no clue what the fuck happened there even after watching a replay
jaunty slate
imagine post buffs more ppl will play it
I got humbled when I was discussing this with my new guild. Arms is starting to get ahead of FUry from what i'm seeing. I'm thinking Arms is the play for more than just Paldiins now.
dim basalt
Do you pug solo or with friends?
gentle gyro
Must feel good to get invited in pugs
hasty pumice
Academy 19 all of the wyrms perma jumping on the squishiest member and he dies 3 times
hasty pumice
Do you pug solo or with friends?
I pug completely
hoary crest
afaik icy-veins has it updated
ait, thx
jaunty slate
Like, I don't see how Arms ISN'T better for twin dragons now too.
hasty pumice
Must feel good to get invited in pugs
The higher you go the more people realise arms is strong AF with the right comp and tank
dim basalt
Must feel good to get invited in pugs
The higher the key the more likely it is to get invited from my experience
ye
hasty pumice
Yesterday I was in skyreach 19 with demolock, ele shammy and me colossus
The boss damage was super ass and I thought I won't join that comp anymore
bronze nest
I was doing 1 target 5 min / 5 targets 5 min and 5 targets 1,5 min
DO you jungle between bloodlust on and off ? so 6 sims in total ? @thick kelp
hasty pumice
I don't get to play with casters often but the lead did not cook with 3 people who don't deal boss damage
flat willow
i thought demolock fucked
dim basalt
This key is living in my head rent free
hasty pumice
I thought so too but no demolock fucks on bosses
flat willow
ele shaman i understand, I think it's as low as col arms
hasty pumice
That I had
hoary crest
what is that cat eating
gentle gyro
The higher you go the more people realise arms is strong AF with the right comp ...
I am coping, I truly hope you are right. Currently stuck in +13 elo hell
hasty pumice
I am coping, I truly hope you are right. Currently stuck in +13 elo hell
Just try to add people that were good in your eyes and maybe snipe each other
That's what I like to do if someone performed really well
gentle gyro
Good advice, thank you
hasty pumice
And when one of them is in a key they can recommend you for example
bronze nest
Crushing force we talent or we change it with Stabce mastery
dim basalt
Honestly in 18s I havent noticed the need of stance mastery yet
soft relic
I am coping, I truly hope you are right. Currently stuck in +13 elo hell
Feel this in my soul
trail lantern
DO you jungle between bloodlust on and off ? so 6 sims in total ? <@865605822638...
nah thats too much for me to analyze 😄
sand prairie
Honestly in 18s I havent noticed the need of stance mastery yet
just get used to it i think 
better than dying in 20s because of never done before
dim basalt
just get used to it i think <:KEKW:1486426802762154225> better than dying in 20s...
Perhaps yeah
zinc wolf
@safe vigil
zinc wolf
He just wanted reminder from the past
robust ridge
Going to check midstream and shed a tear
thick kelp
DO you jungle between bloodlust on and off ? so 6 sims in total ? <@865605822638...
for aoe I only sim with BL off. ST patchwerk with BL on since I am simming for raid etc
olive nest
<@484932724583301130>
Bro busted out the shadowlands ss xdd
late lantern
How do we sim for mplus as arms?
trail ingot
QUESTION : In this arm slayer build for crown mythic, is there a talent that allows funneling other than the one I circled in red ?
thick kelp
QUESTION : In this arm slayer build for crown mythic, is there a talent that al...
that talent does not allow funneling
but play full St on crown mythic
its fake there
trail ingot
that talent does not allow funneling
Why ? More rage mean more damage on the main target no ?
thick kelp
its irrelevant amount of rage in the grand scheme of thigns, you take it for pathing
as its still a dmg gain for fob which is dead on St
trail ingot
Sorry but what mean you mean by « pathing » and fob ?
You mean from mob to an other mob ?
thick kelp
pathing -> taking a talent to reach the next talent
fob = fervor of battle talent, which works against 3 or more targets
trail ingot
Ok thank
clever crag
Any tips on myth raid as arms ? Ive been put in as arms
mild sierra
the raid as a whole?
trail ingot
The thing is, i don’t really understand the big different in damage from war arm and fury on crown mythic, did you know why ?
thick kelp
Any tips on myth raid as arms ? Ive been put in as arms
Copy the fight talents from warcraft logs and inspect lorrgs.io for Avatar/Demolish/BS timerse
sweep and cleave as much as u ca
thick kelp
The thing is, i don’t really understand the big different in damage from war arm...
both fights are boss damage fights and arms does more boss damage, especially in the part that mattters (p3 execute)
clever crag
the raid as a whole?
Nah I expect like 2-3 bosses
trail ingot
both fights are boss damage fights and arms does more boss damage, especially in...
Ah ok you are right
clever crag
Fury cleaves by existing tho lol
mild sierra
both fights are boss damage fights and arms does more boss damage, especially in...
Dmg from 100% -> 0% is as relevant
mortal crag
And maybe like 1 slayer boss with some adds
mortal crag
Dmg from 100% -> 0% is as relevant
Arms does more damage on paladins
Throughout the whole fight
ESPECIALLY during the end
mild sierra
Arms does more damage on paladins
this is crown
mortal crag
You cannot get a better arms fight lol
mortal crag
this is crown
Ah I misread
I play full st arms on crown
We just started prog on it
clever crag
The 2 target cleave isnt that good tho I feel
mortal crag
It's good
mild sierra
2T cleave is good in a talent build for it
mortal crag
You still sweep
sand prairie
is it me or do you also have sometimes rage problems in colossus?
mortal crag
It's colossus
clever crag
Yeah its good ofc but not that good where youd just jump over everybody on 2t
clever crag
is it me or do you also have sometimes rage problems in colossus?
Get shaman buff
Still have to chargeweave tho lol
sand prairie
ye saman makes it easier but even with i sometimes have downtimes
mortal crag
In pure ST even with shammy buff u can run into rage issues
sand prairie
especially execute
clever crag
It is what it is
clever crag
Yeah execute is insta rage starve
thick kelp
theres a reason why colossu doesnt execute without SD or under 75 rage
mortal crag
Executing below like 70 rage with no SD proc is giga death
Walhe omg I just feel crafted thst 70
Twinsied
Arms really is braindead isn't it huh
thick kelp
Arms really is braindead isn't it huh
yeah
mortal crag
SLAM MY BELOVED
clever crag
Fish for hs atleast
clever crag
Hs good
sand prairie
yea yea but i also run out of rage with lamming sometime, well was without a shaman and maybe giga unlucky with crits
clever crag
Charge weave then
thick kelp
Walhe told me to and now it helps a lot
based advice
clever crag
I want slayer execute with colo aoe rotation
thick kelp
so slarms?
clever crag
Yes
thick kelp
just larp your bs=demo
clever crag
I miss ravager
mortal crag
But Colo execute feels great
clever crag
Btw does anyone ever play spear in m+ ? Or is that just meme pvp talent
mortal crag
Like the phase not the button lol
clever crag
But Colo execute feels great
The starve feels great ?
thick kelp
BUT its there in the apl so you can sim
mortal crag
The starve feels great ?
No more like exec phase
Idk I never starve cuz I don't press execute unless sd proc
clever crag
It feels great when its 3 targets and rav comes up on exe phase
mortal crag
I'd rather have fun playing and lose 1% than press exec
mortal crag
It feels great when its 3 targets and rav comes up on exe phase
I'm at work don't make me wet myself
Nothing better than literally annihilating the books in mt
That big fuck ass pull with 20 books
HOOOOOOOOOLY
That and ravens
On 3rd boss skyreach
thick kelp
bro MT pulls are so goated
before the 1st boss
and then u cream 1st boss with the haste buff
never rage starve
mortal crag
Basedge
mortal crag
My tank is gonna try raven tech on 2nd boss skyreach
clever crag
Squid and Seat 2nd
mortal crag
We tried it a few times jsut need to get the hang of it
clever crag
Big arms bosses
mortal crag
Squid and Seat 2nd
I announce to my party thst I will solo kick shade wing and will greed all damage
I do not care
I finish that boss 250k
I tgink on my 19 I finished it 260
thick kelp
I announce to my party thst I will solo kick shade wing and will greed all damag...
bro the dmg amp from kicking talent goes hard
mortal crag
bro the dmg amp from kicking talent goes hard
And then 3rd boss is the worst fucking boss to ever exist
thick kelp
And then 3rd boss is the worst fucking boss to ever exist
idk its not that bad
mortal crag
Seat is just a rollercoaster of emotions for Colo
thick kelp
you get CS + demo back for tentacles
mortal crag
Idk, for full melee it's horrible
thick kelp
so you can solo a 2group
mortal crag
Maybe it's cuz we have assa
Yeye but
Outside of that I mean
Just
God I hate high movement shit
mortal crag
Yep exactly it's just awful for phys
mortal crag
Not for prot
We do reflect techs anyway
clever crag
Top dmg by reflect kek
clever crag
Solo interrupts
mortal crag
We tried it and it didn't seem to work?
thick kelp
Yep exactly it's just awful for phys
I think for your group its best if you solo a set of 2, sub gets the other set of 2 and brew + feral hit the lone one. If 3 tentacles on eachother you just own those
clever crag
Hmm didnt notice anything reflected there
thick kelp
the tentacles come at :30 and then after 1 min
mortal crag
U can taunt lura right before she does disentigrate
ornate raven
Yoo guys do you use in ST execute only with sudden doom if you dont have Deep wounds talent? This for m+ build.
mortal crag
But we didn't seem to see any damage on it
mortal crag
the tentacles come at :30 and then after 1 min
Yeye
Can't send demo on pull though
Maybe with buff i can
Cuz of faster stacking
thick kelp
Surely with buff u can
hard juniper
Same 
mortal crag
Will test
thick kelp
Yoo guys do you use in ST execute only with sudden doom if you dont have Deep wo...
yes
mortal crag
U still deal tank dam
hard juniper
I dungeon tp out after 3rd boss and swap st slayer
mortal crag
Kekw
mortal crag
I dungeon tp out after 3rd boss and swap st slayer
Wait srs?
That's a tech?
Does the way stone work that way?
thick kelp
bro wasnt here last szn
hard juniper
Yeah you checkpoint back to 3rd boss right outside during rp
mortal crag
HOLY TIME SAVER
thick kelp
this tp out tech is oldge
hard juniper
Just make sure ravager and demo arent used at end of boss
mortal crag
Have to have a tp for it though
daring heron
we did it all the time in df
hard juniper
If on cd you fucked
mortal crag
we did it all the time in df
Yeah I know but
daring heron
did i do it in sl hmmmm
mortal crag
I guess I just for some reason forgot it's possible
hard juniper
we did it all the time in df
Everbloom moment
mortal crag
Ye everbloom I went arms then back fury
Lmao
Ok goated I'll do it
Wait CAN WE DO IT ON WINDSPIRE TOO
AFTER 3RD BOSS?
thick kelp
holy tech
hard juniper
Yup
mortal crag
Although witj the buff to st
Maybe won't be needed
Demo tech for stun is really good
thick kelp
both keys have nice RP timer
loud mauve
How exactly do you tp out there? Stone lets you?
hard juniper
But you just wipe to emberdawn before getting there anyways
thick kelp
for y ou to go out and in
bright grove
wtf, that is so stupid, delete this tech
mortal crag
Bladestorm doesn't line up well
thick kelp
How exactly do you tp out there? Stone lets you?
with dungeon portal
hard juniper
Yeah. Fly to dungeon always
loud mauve
Oh you just don’t use it before, I see
mortal crag
for y ou to go out and in
I'm thinking abt bladestorm to cheese the stun vs demo
Demo is always up
Stun is every 40s?
You could get giga unlucky w procs and not have bs
What about skyreach?
Last boss kinda rough
We funnel it
But
hard juniper
Probably awful and 2t is better as colo
mortal crag
It'd be easier without it
We funnel it on 19
So it's fine
But yeah windspire and seat I guess r high value and semi free
Windspire has way stone right?
hasty pumice
How did you get 230 overall? Did you have perma funnel on first boss? 
mortal crag
How did you get 230 overall? Did you have perma funnel on first boss? <:monkahmm...
That wasn't overall
hasty pumice
Oooh
mortal crag
My overall was like 180
hasty pumice
I thought it's overall lol
hasty pumice
I was like how did this guy get 30k more than me
mortal crag
I'd probs have closer to 200k
hasty pumice
Ye 200k seems fine
mortal crag
It was a horribly scuffed key
hasty pumice
DW tomorrow it'll be more
mortal crag
I'm Bing chillin
hasty pumice
Dude I'm stuck on seat 19 and nexus 19
candid garden
What combat pot u use? Recklessness gives like 40% crit seems insane
hasty pumice
These keys don't wanna time
I even tried seat 20, went well until healer couldn't keep up with the aoe healing on the last rift
mortal crag
Dude I'm stuck on seat 19 and nexus 19
We 1shot them
hasty pumice
Was too much
hard juniper
My group got to 3rd boss with 14:30 left in the 19 seat and just shit the bed on tentacles man
hasty pumice
We 1shot them
I'm pugging 
hard juniper
Full wiped 3 times and still almost timed
mortal crag
Couldn't be me this season
I adopted a brew at week 1
Otherwise I wouldn't even bother
hasty pumice
Pug this season feels horrible man
mortal crag
Found a stray brew
hasty pumice
Every tank wildly differs, some healers don't do shit
mortal crag
Gave him a roof over his head
hasty pumice
In PoS 19 I had a tank whom I told please keep necrowhisperer alive
On forgemaster
"nah I won't"
thick kelp
Just para it ome
mortal crag
I get aug pets ruining my funnel on Mc
hasty pumice
I told him just cage the main guy for infinite funnel
mortal crag
hasty pumice
"nah I won't do that"
thick kelp
unlucky
hasty pumice
hard juniper
In PoS 19 I had a tank whom I told please keep necrowhisperer alive
My tank kited the cadaver into a rock making it unkickable..... but until then funnel was great
mortal crag
They don't know SARMS
thick kelp
some people just dotn want to clear the dungeons for score
hasty pumice
some people just dotn want to clear the dungeons for score
Whenever the tank cages the guy, one person drops a fucking DoT on it
thick kelp
hasty pumice
Like I never had funnel on forgemaster for more than 10% of the fight
mortal crag
https://tenor.com/view/dianabol-steroid-sarms-steroids-anabolic-gif-151642758384...
Me when a 3rd target joins the party
Lmao
I need to save this gif and put on stream
mortal crag
hasty pumice
I feel like a premade tank and healer would go a HUGE way this season
Especially with how insane arms is with funnel
mortal crag
I feel like a premade tank and healer would go a HUGE way this season
Ding ding ding
hasty pumice
3718 but I often feel like there's not much I can do
hasty pumice
A 3.8k tank added me but he's busy progging 20s while I'm still shitting the bricks in 19s
mortal crag
Rio doesn't matter
hasty pumice
Nexus point someone always dies left side
hasty pumice
I went from 3670 to 3.8 in literally a week
Ye ik the keys are genuinely free
It's just surviving
But people don't realise that almost every timer is free
mortal crag
Some shit is just scuff
hasty pumice
And go for some weird plays
mortal crag
I'm just waiting for my fucking rogue to go sub
hasty pumice
Some shit is just scuff
Skyreach 19 first boss wipe because healer knocks himself off with gale
mortal crag
Bro eats funnel
mortal crag
Skyreach is so funny
My literal multi r1 heal fails the bridge skip
We laugh it off lmao
Tank rolls off edge
Just dumb key
hasty pumice
Id say with friends that's hilarious
In a pug I'm not sympathising with most people there lmao
mortal crag
Sr20 and my feral forgets he can't wild charge the bird last boss
hasty pumice
Yesterday skyreach 19 clean run into
hasty pumice
I can't do anything against these wipes and it annoys me
hasty pumice
I want to have more impact on the pug performance but I can't. I have an aoe stun nice
hasty pumice
Funny one init
Laughing my ass off so hard rn
hasty pumice
Maybe you should become colossus arms warrior#3
mortal crag
No I'm 57
rapid bronze
how do you take a screenshot in the game without that stupid screen captured thing being in it
hasty pumice
how do you take a screenshot in the game without that stupid screen captured thi...
Windows shift s
rapid bronze
you are a gentleman and a scholar
hasty pumice
covert birch
Basically from tomorrow onwards we use Slam as a filler no matter if ravager is up during execute right ? Because of the deep wound change
hard juniper
I'm just waiting for my fucking rogue to go sub
He won't after today
Outlaw is so fucking op now
trim peak
Do we have any real good youtubers who does guides for arms? Im dumbass player
thick kelp
Do we have any real good youtubers who does guides for arms? Im dumbass player <...
Bizentein
hidden meadow
Hi everyone im new !
I want to try to delete some raid boss with Arm, it’s possible ?
thick kelp
yes
bright grove
Works better with two tho
hidden meadow
Works better with two tho
With 2 weap ?
hidden meadow
True
brittle rock
guys should i use the cleave 4 times in a row at the aoe pull, or go straight to the demo (i try to do 2xMS while the tank is gathering)
if no, should i press them after the demo? Or keep the ms-cleave rotation
thick kelp
cleave first if you have less than 10 stacks of CM
thick kelp
no its cs cleave cleave cleave cleave ms demo
brittle rock
ms will generate a lot more stacks then a cleave though
thick kelp
yeah but it will deal less damage
brittle rock
maybe ms-op-ms-cs-cleave (up to 10 stacks)-demo?
brittle rock
still less damage?
brittle rock
hm
thick kelp
over 50% of your aoe damage
brittle rock
ah
thick kelp
so not pressing it is bad
if u send a quick sim, even at 3 targets cleave is gonna show as above 45% -> only goes up per target count added
white canopy
Anyone have number on the actual difference between thane and colossal compared in ST and AOE?
brittle rock
cs cleave cleave cleave ms demo
so its ravager-then this?
thick kelp
yse
brittle rock
kk ty
brittle rock
Anyone have number on the actual difference between thane and colossal compared ...
u mean slayer and colossal?
blissful tree
maybe ms-op-ms-cs-cleave (up to 10 stacks)-demo?
white canopy
@brittle rock No I mean thane fury VS arms colossal
brittle rock
ah
brittle rock
yse
i use cooldown basicly in zug-zug mode, is it correct?
sometimes wait 3-5s to cover them together like cs+demo
thick kelp
i use cooldown basicly in zug-zug mode, is it correct?
hold everything for Cs
CS + X
or CS alone if nothings ready
vry ez
hard juniper
guys should i use the cleave 4 times in a row at the aoe pull, or go straight to...
You should be keeping 10 stacks up in almost every pull. But when the pull timer to put the key in is near 0, hit SS so it carries over into the key.
Hit a few MSs and cleaves while tank is grouping. Then you do the correct opener with CS, cleaves, then demo and should be at 10 stacks easily
Same concept in keys with long walks between packs when you will drop stacks. Like after you kill a boss and take the teleporter, hit SS while you run to the other side
Or after the 1st boss of caverns
vapid pine
How long does SS buff last for? I swear it times out sometimes despite not having a timer
hard juniper
How long does SS buff last for? I swear it times out sometimes despite not havin...
30
fast warren
think its just 30s the cd of SS
hard juniper
As long as you press it like 15 seconds or so before you'll be hitting CS*, then it'll always be back up in time for the CS SS stacks to end
fast warren
thats too much work they dont get paid enough for that
verbal garden
Is there a way to track Battlelord with the Blizzard CDM right now? If not Cleave>SD>MS(Battlelord)>OP>MS becomes really annoying in Slayer Multitarget.
hard juniper
Im confused why youd need to track it ever
verbal garden
How do you know when to press MS over OP in MT then?
verbal garden
Not with the new patch
vapid pine
MS is always over OP
He's talking Slayer MT
verbal garden
yup
ionic mica
Can you not just op if 2 charges > ms > op if 1 charge
vapid pine
I through Blord just was a buff in CDM though
verbal garden
Im on eu so the patch is not live yet. Battlelord is no buff in cdm
ionic mica
You have plenty of rage as slayer in aoe, I doubt it would be important to ms with battlelord instead of OP
hard juniper
Yeah. Its probably crazy minor
ionic mica
But regarding tracking, no idea if it shows up in cdm
vapid pine
Can you not just op if 2 charges > ms > op if 1 charge
In theory you lose OP charges from doing that as a tactician reset wouldn't reset a whole charge of OP
hard juniper
Plus after patch goes live, its probably colo every key anyways
dim basalt
How do you know when to press MS over OP in MT then?
I mean if MS doesnt reset then Battlelord didnt proc
Theres nothing to track
ionic mica
In theory you lose OP charges from doing that as a tactician reset wouldn't rese...
I was going along with them being so keen to ms, if op is better than ms as slayer then just send both OPs if you can't cleave or sd
vapid pine
I mean if MS doesnt reset then Battlelord didnt proc
As OP > MS in prio you would have many situations where you can't see the MS reset and it's available before* right?
dim basalt
I guess but MS glows when it procs
vapid pine
I guess but MS glows when it procs
Ah that's the blord tracker I guess 💀
dim basalt
ionic mica
I think once you press another global it stops glowing though
So if you op cleave/sd you would have to remember blord procced (if we even care it procced)
dim basalt
fair ig
ionic mica
But why you'd be bothered that your lowest prio aoe button costs less when you have loads of rage idk
Just hit stuff
hard juniper
Just cleave, smash buttons for 2 globals, then cleave more
Plus I feel like between CDs, rend, SS, and sudden death procs, that situation is very irrelevant.
ebon tendon
are we changing what bosses we play slayer vs col on in raids after today?
loud mauve
hey there guys, 2 quickies:
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How do you track rend on the pack? I struggle to track it on the pack, I know that better nameplates with better view of the debuffs is the solution, but maybe there is a way to track X seconds on it after I use it, so I'd know when to press it again just by looking at the tracked icon?
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Are there any keys we will want to prioritize for coin usage? I heard from guild mates that they plan to almost 100% take another coin from the vault, cause there are dungeons where they need, let's say, 5 out of 6 possible drops. So if they take the coin:
a. They almost guaranteed to get what they need from the dungeon
b. The loot table in this dungeon from coins is getting thinner
c. If they'd take a piece from vault - that doesn't thin out the loot table from coins so they could get a duplicate this way
disregarding the chance to get the bis myth trinket from raid in the vault of course - then you def want to get that.
What u guys think about it?
astral yarrow
hey there guys, 2 quickies:
1. How do you track rend on the pack? I struggle t...
- you cant cause blizz weakauras replacement largely sucks when trying to make stuff like this work. Best you can do is have some obvious tracker for your current target and refresh when that runs out. Caveat being that mortal strike refreshes rend below 35%. So basically nameplates is your only solution.
- Just spend your coins in Pit. So many good arms items there.
We dont know how forgiving the bonus roll system is with regards to getting a 272 item from fx Pit in vault and then rolling it in a key after. A UI element should pop up and show you the available items before you roll.
loud mauve
yeah, MS refreshing rend doesn't let me to just look at the main target unfortunately 🙁
I was also thinking about Pit immediately, just wondering now will it be worth to take the third coin from the vault, for the reasons I stated in my op
pulsar frost
hey there guys, 2 quickies:
1. How do you track rend on the pack? I struggle t...
my plater has rend as a debuff on mob, i also have rend on my CDM,i typically just rend when it gets into the range on my main target im wacking, if theyre under the 35% and then MS refreshes it, assuming the rest is at the same time before rend refreshes ill just rend again, by then dont have to worry abotu rend since pack will be dead
ionic mica
yeah, MS refreshing rend doesn't let me to just look at the main target unfortun...
without looking at nameplates, you could just rend after CS expires in aoe
strange comet
I have blizzards CDM make an audio cue when rend enters pandemic window (<4 seconds I think)
deft bluff
does someone have a decent plater profile for me..
bright grove
i use that too, text2speech when rend enters pandemic. but that still only works for maintarget ^^
same thing for when SS drops
clever crag
I need that for SS drop off
blissful tree
when SS drops off, sometimes, i dont get a sound.
i think when SS is applied by CS then there is no sound when the stacks are gone. do you have the same issues?
rustic jolt
so how does it look? do we play slayer or collosus in high m+?
rustic jolt
well i read it but tbh not usually playing arms since last week so i wanted some opinion from others who play it more
dim basalt
Col in every dungeon but AA and maybe SR depending on the tank
rustic jolt
fuuuuuck
leaden garnet
Colo might do more overall in AA but the hard part of AA is the bosses so people tend to play Slayer
ionic mica
i think when SS is applied by CS then there is no sound when the stacks are gone...
it works for me but i think i had to remake the cdm alert for each talent loadout
leaden garnet
If you hate Colossus then don't play it
ionic mica
or at least had to just now
leaden garnet
You're probably not doing keys that are high enough for it to matter
dim basalt
Colo might do more overall in AA but the hard part of AA is the bosses so people...
Yeah Im wondering if colossus could just be the play there after the buffs
Surely the increase in aoe makes it up
Considering the ST of new col is somewhat close to current slayer
pulsar frost
i mean col lost aoe damage into prio damage gain
dim basalt
The 3% will not be noticable at all