arms

[umbral badger]

value

hopefully

[reef glade]

prolly just the same as now

its like top bis for both specs

[olive nest]

On the bright side my droptimizer wants even more Crit so I think I’ll be able to safely reck pot soon

[umbral badger]

yea but once you have slightly more crit than haste your char starts begging for haste

[reef glade]

mayb more noticably good on colo aoe for cdr yea

[umbral badger]

you end up with almost 50% crit and 50% haste on your stats split 'so 1k each for me now"

[reef glade]

yea tihnk later in an xpac u get more of other stats

but at the start almost always full crit haste

[umbral badger]

but if 12.0.5 can make it os that it's more 60% 40% stats split i'd be happy

[reef glade]

have like idk 36% crit maybe 25-30ish haste or something

but thats like 1070 crit 1050 haste ors omething

[umbral badger]

naaah it's not about later it's about the 4 set, 4 set is the culprit of why haste is so good atm

[reef glade]

we're not really getting close to 40+ in both atm

esp nowhere near 60 lol

[olive nest]

Yeah the percent is not equal to true stat

[umbral badger]

like the only reason haste is competing very well with crit "although it will always be good" is just 4 set

[reef glade]

but yea maybe haste helps 4set a bit haste has just always been a good arms stat

[umbral badger]

cuz 4 set scales with haste not crit

[olive nest]

True stat is what matters for reck pot

[umbral badger]

in terms of duration ofc

[rose matrix]

I just run Light's Potential

[reef glade]

lots of different things have situationally scaled with diff stats, but i think having enough haste to get like 1 more mortal strike off vs not hitting that mortal strike for 1 extra sec of cs duration isnt like making or breaking it

you just kinda go with what robot says

[umbral badger]

it's ike every time your char needs a "small haste push" to get 1 ore second of CS for example your haste value will pump up

i think is what's happening

i am just trying to logically understand it here though so not saying i know it all or something xd

[reef glade]

yea i mean that can somewhat contribute but dont think its that big of a focus

[proven veldt]

computer really good at math

[reef glade]

arms just always wants crithaste for the last like 5+ years probably closer to 10

[umbral badger]

it is big enough when 2 stats are close enough. if you know what i mean. so if we say your char without 4 set needs 45% of your stats as haste and 55% as crit. 4 set might be enough to break it even to 50% 50%

[thorn stream]

Crit haste just goated stat combo

[reef glade]

lot more crit damage multipliers and stuff in tree to make crit better and haste just fitting more things in cs dmg window

[umbral badger]

i've always loved mastery more than haste :p sadge i couldn't stack mastery a lot historically.

[reef glade]

i mean sure maybe.. but i think there isnt any reason to consider not having 4set at this point cuz everyone in the game should have it by now

mastery stacking will come in later seasons probably

[umbral badger]

oh lol that's not the point , i am saying that maybe our next set tier will just tweak our stats to favor crit MUCH more for example

we don't know

[reef glade]

like going from 40->50% crit will be worth less than going from 10->20 or 30% mastery

[umbral badger]

do we even know what kind of tier set we will get next ?

[proven veldt]

no

PTR datamining won't be for a little bit

[reef glade]

i dont think it will be that much of a difference, maybe the teensiest bit

but you simply will always have almost max crit haste u can get

regardless of the tierset

[umbral badger]

it depends if we get a tier set that gives crit dmg or something for example

[reef glade]

until again the DR point mastery and stuff starts to win

[umbral badger]

who knows

[thorn stream]

Me like crit zug zug

[umbral badger]

imagine a tier set that gives you double stacks of demo per mortal, demo machine xd

[proven veldt]

12.1 is still a long way off

this tier is a month old

[umbral badger]

yea if anything ventus rune aloen is more verstality than we ever need atm

lol

[magic canopy]

yeah that ring combo is better on pure ST worse on any aoe

[stable fiber]

it was mostly a test for reck pot

[reef glade]

ya its just in season 1 and every season 1 for last several expansions gear doesnt have as much secondaries, so you cant get as high% on every stat as you can later in season

[magic canopy]

oh lmao

[umbral badger]

yea this is what i was saying earlier, i was wondeirng if i should try to get those with coins at some point later

[magic canopy]

ive just defaulted to lights potential til my gear is solidified

[reef glade]

nexus prolly pretty good coin dungeon

assuming u got a ton of excess crests

[stable fiber]

it was mostly a test for reck pot

[reef glade]

cuz rings are probably one of the last things u want to spend crests on not as big upgrade as most items with strength

but only like a 2/7 loot pool or something

so pretty likely to get both rings within 2 or 3 weeks

[umbral badger]

ahh i see, context matter for sure xd but yea for my char no ring combo comes close to this so i am just thinking about it

not gonna get mythic midnight ring anyway 😄

[stable fiber]

i get mythic l'ura ring next week

100%

xdd

one can hope

[umbral badger]

to begin with, even if i could get it next week i always feel it's underwhelming getting an item when you are done -progression xd

[reef glade]

oh 8 hour maintenance on tuesday sick

another case of add half a piece of content spend half a day to do it

poggers

have 1 hour available before raid time

if that

[umbral badger]

i need to make a case for PI on me for the guild after the change "on vaelgor and vanguard probably"

gaurantee one more demolish during the PI :p

[reef glade]

yea its probably not that relevant on dragons since likely to send demo on adds anyway, unless u can maybe do demo adds > demo boss > demo adds

but vanguard could be good

arms like actually top 2-3 specs on the fight

vs only like top 8 maybe on dragons

[umbral badger]

nah on dragons you could try to be top boss dmg or you could try pad, i always try focus boss dmg.

that being siad

[reef glade]

yea

[umbral badger]

you could do both in 12.0.5

so there is that

[maiden moat]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7pB2C4FjPG1ytTaW?type=damage-done&fight=27

can someone flame me and tell me why my dmg is so dogshit ?

[umbral badger]

try upload on the log section for ppl to help

[umbral badger]

though it's harder now with warcraft logs bugging

[maiden moat]

okay

[umbral badger]

yea post in help and log review, gl !

[rose matrix]

So is Colossus ST after the patch just basically mortal strike, op, and slam?

Like no cleaves and execute unless you get a sd proc?

[quartz adder]

Hey! is Execute phase, or below 30% good for warrior now? or is it like past expantions were we hit like a wet noodle in that phase still?

[wind hatch]

good for slayer

not very significant for colossus

[quartz adder]

sad 🙁 issnt the best m+ build colossus?

[ionic mica]

yes but in aoe the execute phase is huge 🙂

that second CS each pack is a looot of damage

[quartz adder]

wdym? mind explain? im kinda new, so where does that damage come from again?

i miss the old times were warrior climbed when boss came below 30%

in ST too, not only aoe

[rose matrix]

Mass Execution

[ionic mica]

you play this in keys, so in CSmash windows where you get a lot of cleaves

combined with maybe avatar and ravager, you skyrocket in damage at the end of a pack

colossus arms in keys build ST is very sad though

and doesnt have the rage to press execute, as well as exe not really doing damage for colo anyway

[stable fiber]

it climbs in ST now

but its certainly not as strong as it use to be

[quartz adder]

Do we press Whirlwind as arms at all?

[stable fiber]

nope

[ionic mica]

nah

[stable fiber]

never

[quartz adder]

good

hate it

[stable fiber]

whirlwind turns into cleave when you spec into cleave

[ionic mica]

the ST will improve on reset, but sadly not to be that good and also no execute to speak of

[stable fiber]

just a warning if you take it off your bars

[quartz adder]

Im trying to learn

Just miss the good old warr sub 30%

Legion i think it was

where execute stacked

like crazy

[minor gust]

That was fury not arms

[quartz adder]

I dont remember that good, just that execute was sick

[latent moss]

tbf arms did good exe i think

source critcake argus arms

[vivid fox]

i thought slayer arms still has respectable execute

[quartz adder]

i might go slayer in m+ anyway then XD

[minor gust]

It's ok but we're talking legion arms

Which I can't really comment on because I didn't really play it

[sand totem]

This may be questionable, but I think too many classes have an execute phase.

[minor gust]

You will likely still do very well as slayer in keys. Spec still fucks just not as much as colo

[halcyon valve]

If you have FoB talented, 3+ targets nearby, and a heroic strike proc ready

But thats a very contrived scenario. If you got FoB, youll likely have cleave aswell

[sudden fox]

Remember when there was that potential build of arms just being pure ww spam

[stoic oyster]

i want cata arms utility

[paper gulch]

I just want bloodlust

[vagrant hull]

real

[rose matrix]

If warrior got lust it would only be a 25% haste buff

[ionic mica]

it would be in the bottom part of our class tree as well

[rose matrix]

It would also apply a longer Sated debuff because it was too op

[paper gulch]

Most likely because they love keeping the brown man down.

[proven veldt]

what do you think the warrior lust debuff would be called

"Hoarse"

[rose matrix]

Bloodlust

Honestly makes more sense for warrior than shaman

who cares about lore

[proven veldt]

a lot of people, I think

[paper gulch]

I think it should be a banner, and then the debuff tooltip should say: "You used all your strength to plant this banner, go relax for a bit."

[proven veldt]

you're going to trigger people who played necrolord

and had to like leap out to clumps of ranged players to buff them

[paper gulch]

100yd range like mass res

the debuff could be called "Spent."

[lucid dagger]

wasnt there a warrior banner giving crit or sum like that?

[high current]

what talent u have for beloren?

[wind hatch]

normal st build

[minor gust]

Yeah and then the next set of warrior ptr notes they removed WW from reap

[sand totem]

Warrior banner increased crit damage by 20% iirc, in MOP

[lucid dagger]

yeah that was cool

[lavish jay]

Is the .5 patch a nerf for arms in m+?

[wind hatch]

buff

[lavish jay]

Huge

[left badger]

Anyone know if we can we buy the bonus roll tokens before completing the 6th week of the voidforge questline?

[rose matrix]

Don't think so

[nova marsh]

We get lust

But its with a support spec

And exclusive to the support spec

[spring vale]

Remove lust from mage hunter and evoker already

[nova marsh]

Could you imagine

Shaman being actually mandatory

Actually

Do it

That'd be awesome for arms

[spring vale]

You get it

[nova marsh]

Literally cannot run leys without a shaman

Probably increases the shaman pop because itd be the only dps with borderline guaranteed inva

[rose matrix]

Just give warrior lust and while we're at it give us a brez too

[nova marsh]

Now thats cope

Blizzard will never give a class both

[rose matrix]

ye it was a joke

[nova marsh]

Na wait wait

Its a cook

Give dps warr lust

[wide wigeon]

Warrior Healer spec when

[nova marsh]

And prot gets a rez

That costs 100 rage

[paper gulch]

What a profound thing to say. Honestly lust isn’t an issue in raid but it should be party wide in M+ to encourage other comps. Battle resses too.

[nova marsh]

Yeah

And utility dosent matter much in raid besides grip

[spring vale]

Its crazy that mage has like a mandatory raid buff AND lust

And they almost always have at least 1 insane spec

[nova marsh]

That and warrior historically is pretty fine in raid

[rose matrix]

Honestly I hope they are buffing mage

They need to get em back in the meta comp already

[lucid dagger]

i mean warrior is almost always safe bet

[rose matrix]

Been waaaay too long

[nova marsh]

Get out

Go talk in mage discord for that

[hexed wadi]

what dungeons besides nexus do you guys play colossus on?

[spring vale]

AA kinda nutty

[nova marsh]

Aa is fake colo dungeon

But realistically next week

We just always go colo unless youre a diehard slayer fan

[minor gust]

I'm playing colo tomorrow

[rose matrix]

Yep next patch is a swap colossus angle if you're slayer

[paper gulch]

I'm looking forward to it as well

[nova marsh]

Feel like its kinda like

[sand totem]

The lack of 360° aoe on colo is noticeable lmao

[nova marsh]

Not good advice for anything before tomorrow

[nova marsh]

Half of arms damage in aoe regardless of hero is a cone

[rose matrix]

Yea you really only got Bs that is 360

[sand totem]

Reap too

[rose matrix]

True

[lucid dagger]

WW

[nova marsh]

Ww dosent exist for arms

[lucid dagger]

shhh

[sand totem]

Idk i feel like my pug tanks like to move packs around too much and it hurts my feelings lmao

[rose matrix]

You already play Slayer the way you would Colossus tho because of Cleave for the most part

But tanks moving weird does hurt Colossus

[nova marsh]

Play with better tanks

[sand totem]

My normal go to tank was away for 2 weeks for a wedding. Unacceptable

[lucid dagger]

as a shaman main Eearthquake is nice in theory

[nova marsh]

Get the bride imprisoned

[lucid dagger]

shame tanks have too much adhd to test it

[nova marsh]

Bring them back faster

[sand totem]

Hes back on tuesday so hopefully my tank woes are over

[nova marsh]

I cant imagine how bad destro ele or frost have it if your ground aoe is a large part of ur dam

Dude

I got told

By a tank

That dps doing negative damage because they pull erratically isnt their problem

Because theyre just there for completion

Like lmao

[lucid dagger]

honestly if i tell my tank 3 times to chill out because my dps is on the floor

and he doesnt listen

[nova marsh]

Thats when we get toxic and vote abandon

[lucid dagger]

i just vote to abandon if it fails i play at 30% rest of that dungeon

[nova marsh]

(This is a joke(

[lucid dagger]

like not that i will int but i cant be bothered to manage cds and to minmax my rotation

he chose that i dont do damage and i accept that

[sand totem]

If my tank fucks up his pulls I drive over to his house and beat the brakes off him IRL

[rose matrix]

You think that is bad, I pugged heroic Voidspire with a few friends the other night and I tanked Senn on Vanguard for the entire fight until I died and the tank said that she is untankable and kicked me for saying something

[nova marsh]

Hey woah woah

[ionic mica]

what are your tanks doing that messes up damage so much?

outside of a monk spamming roll and actually taking the pack away xD

[lucid dagger]

I was talking from Ele shaman perspective

[ionic mica]

like surely they dont do that

[nova marsh]

Randomly stopping for 5 seconds, letting me send demo and cs, and then promptly fucking off to pull more

[ionic mica]

ahhh i see

[ionic mica]

well you played yourself by playing ele 🙂

[lucid dagger]

like i use my cds

start spamming EQ life feels great

and my tank decides to move half hp pack for 0 reasons

[ionic mica]

fair point, that is pretty annoying. if a tank does that i just assume theyre going to keep doing it and wait a little longer

[lucid dagger]

like 0 reason

[limpid lotus]

Is cleave completely out of the ST rotation with the changes tomorrow?

[ionic mica]

at least as arms you know you can just CS the pack again

[nova marsh]

And then I say "cool, half the pack is dead and my cds are basically fucking useless

[lucid dagger]

honestly thats why i wanna play arms for m+

ele shaman is class for 15 sec every 2 minutes

[nova marsh]

And because tanks have the biggest ego known to mankind they dont take feedback

[lucid dagger]

and stupid tanks fck that up

[ionic mica]

i love playing with ele as arms

they do okay overall, and do nothing between cds

and give skyfury

perfect spec

[pliant seal]

so is arms better right now for M+ or is that just with changes coming tomorrow?

[ionic mica]

gives space to do dam

[lucid dagger]

I love to play ele shaman when i play premade

for pugs no no

[rose matrix]

They are better right now too

[pliant seal]

thank you

[nova marsh]

Pugs are making me crazy

Like holy fuck sone tanks just do not know how to stop

[ionic mica]

you can also play any of the fury or arms m+ setups at the moment and do well

[nova marsh]

Its infuriating

[ionic mica]

idk if slayer fury loses out tomorrow

[ionic mica]

as soon as i found weekly key tanks annoying i just go up a level or two

most of the worst offenders are in 10s

[nova marsh]

Na theyre in 12s too

Brews who cant fucking live

[lucid dagger]

try competitive 7-10

warcrimes

[ionic mica]

idc to play with some guy on his 5th tank alt that is a ppal and is made of wet paper

[ionic mica]

the only thing youre competing with is your mental state

[nova marsh]

I need a guild

So bad

[ionic mica]

lmao dude

[nova marsh]

Like actually fuck me

[ionic mica]

guild keys are a bait as well

[lucid dagger]

heh?

[ionic mica]

there are maybe 5 people in my raid team i would happily key with

[nova marsh]

Instructions unclear, keys are bait

[ionic mica]

and i dont really know any of them cos i just joined for midnight

[rose matrix]

Guild keys just mean when they play like ass you have to be nice

[nova marsh]

I should uninstall

[spring vale]

Competitive keys are bait

[ionic mica]

as in competitive 7-10 keys are only a test of your own mental strength

@lucid dagger

[spring vale]

Relaxed or Learning is the way

[ionic mica]

1.5k alt of 3.5k main is the way

with a friend who is on their main

clean crest keys

[nova marsh]

10 keys make me wonna dir

[lucid dagger]

oh i tought you where rude to me XD. nah when i see 7-10 competitive i just turn my head other way

[nova marsh]

11s dont exist

I dearly want a 2 chest 10 on warr next week

[ionic mica]

oh haha nonono just that those keys are a mess

[nova marsh]

So I can stop delaing with this shit and push

[ionic mica]

not done below a 10 since day 1

[nova marsh]

I have

They suck

[rose matrix]

I saw a 244 ilvl warrior that was pugging normal dreamrift that had checking logs in the description

[nova marsh]

Carry bait

[spring vale]

💀

[ionic mica]

they deserve it for taking the hit to form a pug

did a averzian mythic last week with a friend and the lead was 255 hunter

[spring vale]

"Link aotc" for normal raid lfgs is something ive seen as well

[lucid dagger]

worst key i had was m7 windrunner. tank was half braindead,healer didnt know dungeon, warlock was just running around

[nova marsh]

Thats just normal

[ionic mica]

then they realised they had sold their gloves and had to restore them

got all the way to 265

[nova marsh]

Im shocked it isn't link CE for heroic

[rapid bronze]

Are there any suggestions from the gang on what bonus loot rolls to go for in week 1

[nova marsh]

Are you raiding mythic

[rose matrix]

I am going straight to pit of saron personally

[hybrid needle]

"First 2 bosses, link CE"

[rapid bronze]

Not yet, probably in the next few weeks

[spring vale]

CE link for tic tac toe boss and Vorasius

[nova marsh]

Pit all thr way then

Gamba for weapon belt or ring

[rose matrix]

Also a lot of tier slots if you are still looking for those

[ionic mica]

do we know if the bonus rolls can get tier tokens from raid?

i guess the americans will know tomorrow

[rose matrix]

That's a good question

[ionic mica]

if not then the raid bonus rolls are going to be juicy

[rose matrix]

It just takes 2 instead of one

[ionic mica]

yeah but say you want chim trinket, that is 3 items, or 2 if you go tank spec and tier tokens dont count

[mortal crag]

RAAAAA

CHAT DO WE GET 4X 20 BY RESET? (I'm eu)

[azure onyx]

do you just send bladestorm or always time it with smash

[ionic mica]

send csmash on cd and hold other things for smash

[rose matrix]

I am going to assume the tokens count but if they don't it definitely makes using them in raid more appealing

[ionic mica]

you can BS in the back end of a smash

(in ST itll extend with unhinged MS)

[warm fog]

we’ll see but I don’t know why tier tokens wouldn’t be on the list

[ionic mica]

yeah it probably will include tier

idk what i even send my bonus rolls on

rings in keys i guess

all the raid stuff i want is either guidon or belo/crown/lura loot

[mortal crag]

Why would u want guidon

[ionic mica]

sims good

[mortal crag]

No thanks 😎👌

[ionic mica]

not as good once i have 40 more crests to upgrade gaze but still best on use

would be like 500 dps ish after max gaze

[mortal crag]

Im good with double passive gaze and heart

[ionic mica]

yeah same

would prefer passive really

[mortal crag]

Then send it

[ionic mica]

i do already have gaze heart anyway

just thinking about options

would feel weird to wait for crown kill next week (or week after if we throw) to try to fish a neck

[limpid lotus]

do we know if cleave is completely out of the ST rotation tomorrow?

[ionic mica]

#updates-midnight message

Slam in ST

[dire hinge]

praise be

[ionic mica]

i wonder if there is a nicer sound to replace the Slam sfx in the game files

[dire hinge]

horny_bonk.mp3

[hybrid needle]

Spotify, YoutubeMusic, Deezer, take your pick

[limpid lotus]

warrior brain, i read that and missed that somehow

zug zug

[dire hinge]

or falling_lead_pipe_150decibles.mp3

[ionic mica]

i knew it was in there and still had to read it a few times to check 😄

[ionic mica]

+5% dps

[dire hinge]

i miss weakauras

Google play goku screaming for 30 seconds if i get PI during Lust and its Execute phase

[proven veldt]

I would pay an additional $1 in monthly sub fees if I could have a heroic strike buff tracker

instead of staring at my stupid slam button

[ionic mica]

is that not the same thing?

[dire hinge]

pretty sure it's one of the Masterful Tactician buffs

are those in the CDM?

[proven veldt]

maybe I need to play with arcUI settings more to figure it out, but a WA can easily be configured to only show when a buff is active

I don't think so

[dire hinge]

taking a gander quick

[proven veldt]

the difference here is slam has to be showing at all times (unless there's an option i'm not aware of)

i've seen it discussed here before and the consensus was "just track slam"

[ionic mica]

arcui would have it if its possible im sure

but yeah in other CDMs and default CDM it would just be slam tracking

[proven veldt]

maybe there's an arcUI setting to only show when there's a proc active or something

[dire hinge]

well well well

pop that bad boy into ArcUI and just swap the icon out

[proven veldt]

I think that just tracks the stacking master of warfare buff?

[paper gulch]

Yeah

[dire hinge]

ah poo

[proven veldt]

I was mostly joking to be clear, a very minor OCD UI thing

but just an example of how good we had it with WA for personalization

[astral yarrow]

So happy WAs died 🙂

[proven veldt]

I think in the long run it might be healthy for the game but

[proven veldt]

this weird interregnum is painful

[paper gulch]

its the one in the middle

[dire hinge]

Yeah you're right it's just the stacking buff you get after using Heroic Strike

[paper gulch]

I'm pumped just +2'd 15 seat

[proven veldt]

more confusing that blizzard can't/won't just add a separate tracking buff for this

[paper gulch]

I mean I have mine tracked but to be completely honest with you tracking it does nothing

because you're gonna press it when it comes up

with hopes to get up to 5

[proven veldt]

I understand

i'd just prefer to only track a single thing - when I have heroic strike, nothing else

[paper gulch]

Macro it to every ability lol

[dire hinge]

yeah, in AoE you dont actually care if it's up or not, you just press Cleave.
In single target, you basically only watch MS/OP/Slam anyways.

[paper gulch]

and tomorrow with the implementation of deep wounds to slam, you're gonna have muscle memory take over eventually

where you'll spam iot

[proven veldt]

is cleave completely dead in ST outside of ravager now with that change?

[dire hinge]

tbh even with Ravager it's only a small gain to use it during execute phrase

i would need to get back to my pc to check but pretty sure it's dead for all meaningful purposes

[proven veldt]

yea I can just go look at APL I guess

[dire hinge]

i think there's a new APL that hasn't been published to main yet

[rose matrix]

I didn't see an update to the main one when I checked earlier yet

[paper gulch]

If you get 3 stacks of collateral damage and didn't use it on adds or whatever, I'm sure the ability is okay with a 75% buff to use.

Does anyone know how the bonus roll is going to work tomorrow?

Is it an end of dungeon bonus roll? Or some other interface?

[mellow seal]

on a boss like mythic cosmos is it even worth hitting sweeping strikes on p2 p3 while on boss

[stable fiber]

fbv is so nasty in m+

[stable fiber]

i mean if its hitting a 2nd target its like always worth the gcd

[latent moss]

colo on packs

is disgustingly tanky

[stable fiber]

farover doing 16k self hps in a +21 maisara

u like dont even need to get healed by the healer

ok raid time

[minor gust]

Yeah Colo got some nice self healing and DR in packs

[sand totem]

What just from fueled by violence?

[minor gust]

For the most part yeah

[rose matrix]

Wouldn't that just mean Arms gets good self healing

Or does Colossus have another source of healing in aoe?

[minor gust]

Colo makes bleeds do more dmg

Which means more healing

[latent moss]

is it from all bleeds or just deep wounds

might be a decent nerf

nvm i forgot demolish applies it

[minor gust]

Lemme check because I kinda forgor

[olive nest]

If demolish didn’t apply dw we’d be cooked

[minor gust]

Yeah healing is from rend and DW

[stable fiber]

demolish applies dw and makes mobs do 10% less damage to u after u use it

then 5% perma

[minor gust]

Ngl with the demo change Colo arms might be tankier than fury in aoe at least

[latent moss]

on packs maybe

[olive nest]

Ehhh that might be a stretch

[latent moss]

not on st tho

or bosses rather

[minor gust]

Yeah just aoe

[muted acorn]

Im confused, with the changes coming in tomorrow, does reap the storm still triggers with MS? Or just cleave now?

[latent moss]

especially thanefury

[minor gust]

Just cleave

[olive nest]

Thane is omega tanky

The passive enrage DR alone is just better unfortunately

[latent moss]

ye warpaint +

2% perma phys dr

[minor gust]

Yeah sadly the 10% DR only lasts 10 seconds for colo

[latent moss]

+8% all dr after tblast

and crazy hp pool

[olive nest]

Yeah that’s I’m saying

[latent moss]

fury hp is crazy

[olive nest]

I’m all about arms and all that but can’t deny fury just lives everything it’s too good

And then toss in stance mastery bro

Immortal

[minor gust]

Fury players don't use dstance

[marsh forge]

i do..

[olive nest]

Haha true

[minor gust]

They too used to being passively tanky

[olive nest]

They gotta be able to use it

[minor gust]

You spend a tier as fury not pressing shit. Then swap back to arms and go oh I gotta start pressing buttons again

[stable fiber]

game

[stray vessel]

clean as hell

[hexed wadi]

new to arms this season, do you only rend on multi target when you have SS?

[minor gust]

Rend is an AOE ability now

[hexed wadi]

oh

[smoky kayak]

technically Cleave can be used during Ravager on single target, however it's a minor optimization which is only relevant when either

• there's more than 1.5m left in the encounter
• it's the very last encounter with no upcoming multitarget

In every other case, it's better to use Ravager on the pack before the boss (even if you won't get full value) and/or save the cooldown for the next pull after the boss. There's really no good reason to throw it out and add extra complication to the rotation otherwise

[proven veldt]

makes sense

was thinking about an extended ST sequence in raid, but I guess those don't exist on anything you'd play colossus on

[hexed wadi]

do you use demolish only with full stacks in your aoe burst window or do you just send it if it doesn't line up?

[smoky kayak]

na, anything you'd be playing full AoE Colossus on is going to have adds that the Ravager is better suited for

[proven veldt]

seems even after the patch it's only paladins and dragons still

[smoky kayak]

for the most part, yes

[smoky kayak]

this is one of those things where it's a technical increase, but such a rare situation it's not even really worth thinking about. If it just so happens to come up, cool, but frankly I think it's a waste of screen space and mental bandwidth to track Collateral whatsoever

[minor gust]

Think this week I'ma try Colo on saladbar. I've whipped my tanks enough to be pretty good at letting me hit orbs most of the time

[smoky kayak]

Yeah it can be good on Saladbar if your group doesn't get on your case about swapping to orbs

issue is that you're really supposed to be focusing the big orbs, not the small ones, but you kinda have to drop CS + Demo on the small ones to do any meaningful damage

So you end up either not doing any real damage to the big orbs, or not doing any damage to the small ones lol

[minor gust]

Yeah we don't usually swap to orbs and I figure can get some good demos off on the small orbs when there's a bunch of them in the later phase

[proven veldt]

is the WCL change on salhadaar that adds that take damage but don't die before the boss dies don't count (like if you're kitting to end the fight) or that the smaller adds don't count at all?

[smoky kayak]

The former

[proven veldt]

the phrasing makes it seem like the former, but I saw people today assuming it was the latter

yes, that's what the phrasing suggests

[smoky kayak]

that's what it says outright lol

[proven veldt]

well

I think some people maybe think it was a niche enough case to not worry voting on

[smoky kayak]

voting has already closed, so its irrelevant now

[placid atlas]

In .5 do we use demolish on cd now? Even if it’s not aligning with CS or hold till CS?

[smoky kayak]

but anyone who thought otherwise needs to go back to school

[minor gust]

Aoe you send on CD ST you still pair with cs

[smoky kayak]

because it quite blatantly says "should orbs that don't die get excluded?"

[proven veldt]

the argument I saw was "the small orbs do not die, they just are inactive and then respawn"

🤷‍♂️

[smoky kayak]

whoever said that is a moron

[proven veldt]

a touch harsh

[smoky kayak]

I mean they quite literally die

[hexed wadi]

what stat do you guys choose in AA?

[smoky kayak]

their health reaches 0 and the mob despawns

[latent moss]

crit

[smoky kayak]

they respawn with the next wave

[proven veldt]

anyway I agree with you

[smoky kayak]

if they reached 0 health and then sat there inactive before healing, then there might be a case

[proven veldt]

but i've also seen a lot of things from official-ish sources in wow that are poorly phrased for whatever reason (language barrier, poor grasph of language, etc.)

[smoky kayak]

I think it's more that the average wow player has the reading comprehension of a turnip

[proven veldt]

well, yes

[smoky kayak]

and yet they love to argue inanities

[proven veldt]

they do not know the word "inanities"

[minor gust]

I prefer to be called a Fish head

[smoky kayak]

there's also a bit of a logic problem here, because even if someone believed this, then it would apply to all orbs, ergo none of them would ever truly "die" in which case the question would invalidate itself

[proven veldt]

I think the base logic would be silly anyway - the core mechanic of the fight is killing the adds

killing them quickly and efficiently is good for your raid, is it not pad

[smoky kayak]

I agree, I'm just pointing out that the argument creates an irreconcilable logic problem

[proven veldt]

yea

[wanton pine]

im stuck

done all raids on heroic, dont plan on going for myuth kills i hate raiding as arms atm

[smoky kayak]

bruh you're like a week late

[wanton pine]

busy

[smoky kayak]

NA resets on Tuesday, EU on Wednesday, Asia on Thursday... where are you playing from, the Moon?

[wanton pine]

...i did kills throughout the week first at a chance for trinks brother

[smoky kayak]

well at this point, you could wait for next week's farm

actually

[wanton pine]

this might be the move

[smoky kayak]

400 iq play - take the tokens, then open vault again tomorrow to take 6 more tokens, get 2 extra bonus rolls for the dungeon/raid fight of your choice

[wanton pine]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-bomb-explosion-iron-man-tony-stark-gif-15429820

[proven veldt]

this is totally out of left field, but there are bits and pieces of archi language that make me think he's a west wing fan

if i'm wrong pretend I never said anything

[smoky kayak]

well... not the current one, that's for sure

[wanton pine]

is this rly the move

[lean geode]

Archi is a boomer, boomers liked west wing

[proven veldt]

hah, I meant the tv show

[lean geode]

qed

[smoky kayak]

half joking, but honestly... it might not be a bad call

[wanton pine]

ive got no drops from raid this szn so far

[lean geode]

(I've never seen west wing but I remember my parents watching it as a kid)

[placid atlas]

In new update, will crafted weapons be able to upgrade to same ilvl as max ilvl myth track items?

[proven veldt]

he used the phrase "for reasons passing understanding" in an update a few months ago, and i've never seen it used from anyone but sorkin

[wanton pine]

the vaults stack dont they?

[smoky kayak]

I mean if you don't really like any of the items in your current vault, you'd probably take the currency for a socket anyway

[latent moss]

ring is huge no

[smoky kayak]

they do

[wanton pine]

yeah i just cant justify taking a myth ring

[smoky kayak]

yeah ring is v good for Fury

[wanton pine]

of that ring

[latent moss]

thats the crit haste one no

[wanton pine]

yeah it is

[smoky kayak]

Oh yeah, light is haste/mastery

[latent moss]

omission is the haste mastery

[wanton pine]

its the better of the two for arms

[latent moss]

u can bonus roll chimaerus

[lean geode]

they're both omission innit

[smoky kayak]

Yeah your vault is very arms coded, and you don't wanna play Arms so...

[latent moss]

and get chest idk

[wanton pine]

but myth tier piece is my best move i think

[latent moss]

i would wait to bonus roll chimaerus

u can get chest

[minor gust]

that heart trinket isnt bad for arms either

[wanton pine]

i play m+

[calm hollow]

do we use the bonus rolls on Nexus rings tho? i dont see any better use

[latent moss]

idk im against

[smoky kayak]

I mean Arms is good in M+, but I'm not gonna tell you what to play

if you like Fury, play Fury - I promise nobody gives a shit except you

[wanton pine]

have hero track, its not worth the 3% to me

[latent moss]

taking non bis trinkets

[wanton pine]

i dont like fury atm

[latent moss]

its not bad but not good either

[wanton pine]

exactly

i pull hero gaze next week

[latent moss]

ring u will never replace

[wanton pine]

it sims the same as myth heart

not value

[minor gust]

well if its between that and socket I would take the item but yeah I would pick the ring here

[latent moss]

i mean i would prolly

[smoky kayak]

ok I'm confused, lemme see if I can sus this out

• you hate raiding as Arms

[latent moss]

wait and bonus roll chimaerus mythic

[smoky kayak]

• but you don't like Fury

so you're tryin to play Arms in M+ and... Fury in raid? or just not raid at all?

[wanton pine]

fury in m+ is boring so i play arms, fury and arms is terrible in raid so i dont raid

[hybrid needle]

Archi doesnt even consider prot in his calculations

[smoky kayak]

nope

[hybrid needle]

Shame

[latent moss]

prot isnt real

[wanton pine]

i thought u were the theorycrafter

[smoky kayak]

nobody considers prot

it ain't worth considering

[wanton pine]

!

[marsh forge]

prot isn’t real

trve

[latent moss]

that ring is prolly bis for prot xdd

[wanton pine]

so ring is the move

imhearing

[smoky kayak]

ok so assuming you're gearing for Arms yes?

[minor gust]

I play prot for the first week of M+ coming out for the guild and never again

[wanton pine]

yes

i am

[latent moss]

will u pug mythic chimaerus

cause u should

its not hard and u get 3 bis pieces

[smoky kayak]

Ring is very good, but you have to consider bonus rolls and what you're going to be spending them on

[latent moss]

with bonus rolls

[wanton pine]

i dont plan on raiding

[latent moss]

i mean im not raiding either but im pugging

for bonus rolls

cause i have to

[smoky kayak]

At this stage, I wouldn't take shoulder, since there's a good chance you're gonna bonus roll a random M+ drop and catalyze it

[latent moss]

to get gaze and heart

[smoky kayak]

especially considering that the general best dungeon to bonus roll is gonna be Pit for most players, and it has a shoulder drop
(ymmv on this one, it really depends on what gear you have and what slots you still need, but pit just happens to have a lot of good drops for arms)

[latent moss]

ye weap is insane ring is insane neck is insane

[smoky kayak]

plus you can catalyze belt/boot

[wanton pine]

okay taking ring

[latent moss]

and u get tier pieces

[wanton pine]

ty guys

[latent moss]

ye

i mean as i said if you care about getting the most gear

u should prolly bonus loot chimaerus mythic in prot loot spec

u cant get oozing vestige in prot loot spec

so its 3 bis pieces

[wanton pine]

rly was just wondering if neck mightve been viable

but nobody mentioned it lolll

[smoky kayak]

its v good, but I wouldn't waste on Heroic pieces

[wanton pine]

fair enough

[smoky kayak]

again remember that bonus rolls come out tomorrow, which means you're gonna get 2-3 M pieces per week from now on

[wanton pine]

wait

[latent moss]

u can get basically the same neck from pit +10

[wanton pine]

whats best stat allocation rn

[smoky kayak]

yup, especially if you're gonna be bonus rolling pit anyway

[wanton pine]

wanna see where im at

[smoky kayak]

there's not really any such thing, do what the sim tells you

but generally more crit/haste = better

[wanton pine]

type

[latent moss]

generally gonna be crit > haste > mastery > vers but you should sim yourself

as colossus at least

[wanton pine]

type

[latent moss]

slayer prolly wants crit=haste or something

idk i just sim

and equip what it tells me

[wanton pine]

ty guys

yall the goats

[smoky kayak]

yeah it varies, but Slayer generally favors haste a lil bit more in my experience

not enough to really matter though

[swift plume]

How long does it take to unlock the bonus rolls

Do you have to do campaign

[smoky kayak]

well nobody has done it yet so...

[minor gust]

yeah when I sim for slayer it stops wanting crit around 35% for more haste mastery

[latent moss]

slayer is telling me to get haste

colo is telling me to keep getting crit

but i have like 22% haste

and 37-38% crit

with flask

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, Colossus continues to like crit a lil bit more because of Martial Expert more than anything else

[marsh needle]

Can we get myth track gear from M+ with bonus rolls? I don’t remember seeing that.

[smoky kayak]

yes, that's precisely how the system works

[fossil creek]

whats the difference between crushing force and stance mastery, dps-wise?

[static garden]

I believe crushing force is slightly better, but stance mastery lets you survive a lot better if you actually use D stance well

not actually sure on the dps increase numbers wise,

[vague mortar]

For me it was a 219 dps increase to get stance mastery over crushing force, dungeon slice of 142k

[fossil creek]

k, thank you, im looking at colo builds, one way says crushing force and the other stance mastery

[paper gulch]

Yeah. I was just answering the question

[minor gust]

Guess I might aswell get some colo keys to shake off some rust while im at it

[smoky kayak]

it's pretty preferential

• Crushing Force is better in ST
• Stance Mastery gets better at higher target counts and is more defensive if you actually use Defensive Stance
  but you can't take Stance Mastery without giving up Javalineer, so you have to weigh the value of the extra defense vs the value of an extra (ranged) interrupt

So the question you have to ask yourself is how often do you use Defensive Stance and how safe do you feel during it, as opposed to how often you use Wrecking Throw and how important you feel the extra interrupt is

[rose matrix]

If you have Warbreaker and Ravager up is it better to send Warbreaker and Demolish then Ravager or just send Ravager before Warbreaker like you would on a fresh pull?

[neon shale]

Are w going chadrms for raid

All bosses?

[nova marsh]

In my experience its better to send demo and wb then rava

To give the cleaves max damage amp

[hollow wave]

Stance Mastery is life

[nova marsh]

Yesss

[hollow wave]

saved me many times

[nova marsh]

Honestly I feel like I dont use jav enough

So im probably gonna drop it

Alongside wrecking

[hexed wadi]

does anyone know if there's an addon similar to weakauras that reminds you to reapply your rend? I used to have WA that made a noise when it fell off but obviously cant use WAs anymore

[nova marsh]

Not possible anymore

[quaint otter]

Tmw prolly

[nova marsh]

Oh

Guck I keep forgetting tmw even exists

[quaint otter]

Also rend is showed like buff rn can put it somewhere visible

[nova marsh]

Problem there is aoe

[quaint otter]

I didnt use it myself mate told it does something

[nova marsh]

Itll only show ur main target

[vast helm]

any swing timer ui for now？

[nova marsh]

To my knowledge swing timers arent possible rn

At least thats what several others here have said

[vast helm]

[soft venture]

I find myself (in slayer build) doing fine aoe and good cleave in keys, but on ST i still struggle to keep up with other classes. Any common mistakes I should look out for in my rotation?

[steep escarp]

You can set a sound when aura removed in the cooldown manager under the alerts tab

[stable fiber]

i had a pull where i used cs -> bs -> sd -> sd -> sd -> sd -> sd (some mortal strikes inbetween obviouslky)

and my bs cd was like 2 seconds before my first cs fell off

lmao

cool

[nova marsh]

And no kill

God id cry

[minor gust]

that was my heroic dragons kill

[nova marsh]

Did it absoutlely destroy?

[minor gust]

was R1 and 20k over the 2nd guy

[nova marsh]

[hexed wadi]

it only makes the noise for my main target

so if rend falls off on another target it doesn't make any alert

[stable fiber]

i feel like u need to push to p3 fast then have like

20 people die

[minor gust]

think like half the raid was dead on that kill

was a stars align kinda kill

[nova marsh]

See if you can make the most obxnious fall off effect humanly possible in platy

[minor gust]

attempted a 17 npx as colo with a bad tank and back to slayer I go

[nova marsh]

Pug tanks make me wonna commit a felony

[reef glade]

no such thing as "push p3 fast" no

its all timed

[nova marsh]

Because % based is cringe

[cosmic pecan]

Is there gonna be times in keys your sending demolish with colossal

With the update

[reef glade]

assume you mean without?

and maybe, it could also come up like last few seconds of a previous cs maybe

either way if its up and u still have like 20-15s left on cs cooldown prolly just slam it

youll get another one to use during the next cs almost guaranteed

assuming aoe

[nova marsh]

And st should align much better now

Which....is relevant for pugs cuz tanks never let us funnel

[thick kelp]

bad stats

[stable fiber]

capping

[thick kelp]

did u sim with .5 already on live raidbots

Maybe 20% BS buff flips it back

[stable fiber]

i simmed it and it was the exact same

well

the dps went up a bit

but like it still was a increase for BS

damage

[thick hamlet]

is the shaman buff a "must" for raiding?

[stable fiber]

for 99.9% of guilds you should have every single raid buff

so yes

[thick hamlet]

we've been struggling to find a consistent shaman spot unfortunately

hence the question

[stable fiber]

get someone to switch to it

i mean i guess its not a must but it makes bosses die faster, healers healier and tanks tankier as well

so its kinda a must if you want like CE at a minimum

[thick kelp]

we are talking about one the two most broken raidbuffs here

Especially if your comp has more than 0 melees

[thick hamlet]

yea it might end up being me switching, at least alt

[stable fiber]

its a shit ton of dps for some melee also

its ALOT for ret, rogue and arms

[quartz adder]

As Slayer in execute phase, do we MS at all? or spend most rage on Executes?

[thick kelp]

yeah with 2 stacks of executioners precision

[quartz adder]

What do u mean

[marsh thistle]

He means that you cast Execute 2 times to stack the dmg increase buff for MS and then press MS

[dire hinge]

there's a talent you have called Executioner's Precision, it stacks up to twice and makes your Mortal Strike hit like a dump truck.
As Slayer, during execute phase, you only cast Mortal Strike when you get that buff up to 2 stacks.

[neon shale]

this noto thing in colussus

?

[dire hinge]

it is, but they asked specifically about Slayer

[neon shale]

gootcha

[dire hinge]

if you take the EP talent, you always stack it to 2 in execute phase before sending MS

[quartz adder]

Aight tyty

[neon shale]

HOw doesit prooc

[nova marsh]

Colo tomorrow will only cast exe with sudden death

[nova marsh]

It procs evrey exe cast

[neon shale]

oh right ok i was doing 2x exes befoer MS

which is fine

i ws just doing it cause someone here mentioned it earier

lol

[neon shale]

But it will still give the EP proc ?

[keen siren]

R ppl going to player slayer tmmrw still or every1 switching to collous?

[nova marsh]

Yes

[neon shale]

but we'll just b sending MS on CD even in exe phase

[nova marsh]

Colo dosent teally execute

Slayer is where its a hard rule

Some variation of exe exe op ms

Prio op below 80 rage

[pulsar frost]

I will play both if I decide Im not fury raiding tomorrow

[warm fog]

The tricky part is execute is expensive rage wise so you gotta be careful

[pulsar frost]

Keys I'll be col probabky

[keen siren]

Damn I just hope slayer is still good and colo doesn’t overtake it completely in keys

I love slayer

[thick kelp]

hope harder

[nova marsh]

It kinda has but

Slayer is gonna be fine

[pulsar frost]

Colo has been consistently better in keys before .5

But I mean play what you like ya know

[nova marsh]

Ehhh

[keen siren]

It’s a tossup rn u can play either or

[nova marsh]

I think they were close enough before .5 that it became very tank dependant

[quartz adder]

ok i like slayer much more than colos in m+, i dont care if its worse, i like it

[warm fog]

Col gonna be tanky as fuck with that 10% DR after demo up all the time

[pulsar frost]

Im looking foward to demo cdr

[quartz adder]

I like meaty executes

[warm fog]

I do enjoy slayer as well

[thick kelp]

"meaty" executes lol

[pulsar frost]

Demo is just sick imo

[warm fog]

I just look at ravager, why are you still a button

[keen siren]

I mean execute still does garbage dam as slayer but sd procs trigger reap which is nice

Visually slayer is a lot better than colo

Bs is sick, reap is sick

[pulsar frost]

I mean its bleyblade vs hammer down

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-night-lights-eric-taylor-wheres-the-meat-meat-no-meat-gif-27581033

[nova marsh]

I love hammer down

[thick hamlet]

same

[dire hinge]

especially after playing some other specs, it's wild Ravager didn't get merged into something else

[thick kelp]

"Ability purge not for thee" -Blizzard, probably

[nova marsh]

Tbh im convinced

[weak wave]

#updates-midnight message

Do we LOSE or GAIN MT dmg?

[nova marsh]

Blizz dosent know how to properly prune us without a full scale rework

[minor gust]

you can put it right infront of a warrior

but you still cant make it read

[dire hinge]

happy to clarify if needed, but it's pretty straightforward for MT luckily

[slow saddle]

i mean

Mass aoe call it that

small brains understand

we will do more of the important dam so its a pretty big upgrade

[elfin kindle]

How exactly did col gain priority dmg?

Or is that meant as a st buff due to slam

[weak wave]

Ah mb. Other is Fury

[deft bluff]

Ay gang quick question

I lose dmg by not applying rend

Is there an easier way to make sure i apply rend to. Everything

[slow saddle]

m8 ST

Buff to slam//hs via deep wounds

when we cleave we fob = its quite big

[slow saddle]

? yes its called platerprofile

[deft bluff]

I shall cave and install plater

[dire hinge]

platynator also good

[nova marsh]

Platy is genuinely amazing

[elfin kindle]

We didnt gain anything in prio since it was on cleave anyway, se got st tho?

[slow saddle]

u are joking right?

Gaining ST IS the prio

Seeing cleave sends slam

and hs

and u should be targeting the PRIO add

[elfin kindle]

Okay, how do we gain prio?

[slow saddle]

please just ban him

[weak wave]

Deep wounds on Slam

[reef glade]

[slow saddle]

its gotta be a troll no ?

[elfin kindle]

But its removed from cleave so prio should be the dame

[slow saddle]

yeah exept

[pulsar frost]

Some people are just like this. Just how the world is

[slow saddle]

did u read

what deep wounds does

[elfin kindle]

No?

[slow saddle]

then start there

[elfin kindle]

Thats ehy im asking

Just cause im a better player doesnt mean i read shit

[slow saddle]

Yes

so read it

and im trying to make u actually read and understand ya talents as to make somewhat informed choices

[pulsar frost]

I mean a better player should know their kit

And what uour abilities in your class do

[elfin kindle]

Ive read it, dont get it 😉

[weak wave]

Get an int buff

[unreal mountain]

Guys do you think slayer will be still Playable in keys After changes or collosus ? Cause the demolish buff Looks really nice to me more ST damage

[weak wave]

Don't know if 8% will take us far above tank dmg

[slow saddle]

it will always be playable

[elfin kindle]

Very helpful, thank you for shittalking instead of tryimg to answer a question

[slow saddle]

so what did u read

[elfin kindle]

Also ur you read it says priority dmg not st

[slow saddle]

from mortal wounds?

[weak wave]

Slayer nerfes look shit

[weak wave]

Wtf

[elfin kindle]

Deals deep wounds, applies to next, but that does cleave anyway

[weak wave]

I said get an int buff. Then read your talents again esp. Fob

[slow saddle]

did u read the demolish ?

[unreal mountain]

I mean , gameplaywise way better collosus now when it comes to m plus

[slow saddle]

changes

so more demolishes = what ?

what happens with the first 2 swings of demolish ?

[elfin kindle]

You demolish more, sure

Girst two are st

[slow saddle]

are they 1 AOE or 2 ST // prio

so

there as well

prio dmg // st

[elfin kindle]

Ure talking fob and priority and deep wounds

Whoich dont change anything in priority

[slow saddle]

all those together = 8%

[elfin kindle]

U get ut anyways thru cleave

[slow saddle]

a m g

are u that dumb ?

really

[elfin kindle]

That is ST purely besides the more often demolish

[slow saddle]

u dont know what PRIO dmg means ?

[unreal mountain]

Shouldnt we Take aterial bleed as collosus for more St damage v

[slow saddle]

it means not a change of ROTATION

but a CHANGE OF DMG PROFILE

u jesus

[elfin kindle]

Yeah prio is a grp of mobs, u deal to main target

St is single target

I was asking how its not ST but priority

[slow saddle]

what does sweeping do ?

what does fob do ?

[elfin kindle]

How do these change?

[slow saddle]

what does demolish do

shit interacts brother

if MS is buffed by 10 %

sweep lets u hit 2 targets

[dire hinge]

👋 we can be kind while explaining things

[slow saddle]

so its both prio and aoe

[elfin kindle]

So its single target and youre talking shit for no reason?

[slow saddle]

nah its prio

cleave is mass aoe

slam being set to cast DW

[elfin kindle]

I was asking how its priority and not st

[slow saddle]

is a prio dmg increaser

the LOSS IN ST

[unreal mountain]

Guys is it worth to pick up thunderclap instead of Rend? I don’t Like to use rend feels weird

[slow saddle]

i mean AOE

[elfin kindle]

When its st

[slow saddle]

from nerf of cleave and Deepwounds

is compensated by Demolish

so as a small loss in mass aoe but we gain prio

[elfin kindle]

A prio buff would be 2 fob, thats not a st buff

[slow saddle]

no

coz

what happens when u press CLEAVE ?

u FOB

[dire hinge]

Not really no, Rend is already AoE baseline, so there's no reason to take ThunderClap on Arms.
Fury and Prot still stake it, but Arms has no need for it.

[slow saddle]

so with slam being better = prio dmg while mass aoe

now u say but cleave allready did that, yes, but the loss from aoe is a gain in prio nonetheless

if added to the amount of demos we get

but Demo increases 2 x when used in multitarget content

so PRIO again

as it requires at least 2 targets pref 3

[unreal mountain]

Ok but it feels not that Great to use 😄

[elfin kindle]

Its a ST gain

[dire hinge]

for sure, in AoE it does good damage but honestly in single target it's pretty whatever

[elfin kindle]

My question was how specifically is it a prio gain instead of ST

[weak wave]

TC does less instant dmg than Rend and you dont auto Rend with MS

[elfin kindle]

If you dont read what im asking, or not of the understanding, you can communicate that, from what ive read so far, ure not right and just being emotionally attached and mad

[weak wave]

Cause of DW on Slam!

[elfin kindle]

U had dw on cleave

So its st not prio

[dire hinge]

The fun part about Arms is that ST = Prio, but during AoE
It seems like you might be getting caught up on semantics here.

[elfin kindle]

The demo arguement is fair, but u dont generally wanna send it outside smash anyway, and it fenrslly lines up in mplus

[dire hinge]

Right, but in the new patch (tomorrow) you'll be getting so much CDR from the change that you'll be sending Demo with and without CS

[weak wave]

Slams crit is higher than Cleaves

[elfin kindle]

Its your AP tho

[unreal mountain]

Does oure Rotation change for collo tomorrow?

[elfin kindle]

Yeah, thanks for being helpful

[dim basalt]

If that was the case we wouldnt be sending 2T cleaves with 3 collat stacks right now

[elfin kindle]

Unlike a guy who doesnt read deep wounds @weak wave and talks shit or @slow saddle whos just wrong

[safe island]

if single target got 8% stronger, how much stronger is that really? it was so bad to begin with that even with an 8% buff, i don’t feel like it’ll move me up from 3rd on the meters on m+ boss fight

[minor gust]

in aoe you are sending Demo on CD as you get 2 demo between each CS cast

[elfin kindle]

He was talking about deep wounds but his comment not relevant at all

[unreal mountain]

Is Aetierial bleed a probably choice ? Cause it gives us a good St boost

[minor gust]

its 8% stronger

[minor gust]

not for keys but you would take AB in a ST/raid build

[safe island]

[dire hinge]

it's not gonna be groundbreaking ST changes, but that's not our forte atm

we're priority damage machines currently

[safe island]

in the end, will my overall damage actually go up?

[dire hinge]

yuppers!

[minor gust]

unless you somehow get worse as a player tomorrow!

[elfin kindle]

Will you want up to lign 2nd demlo with cs then or just both send on cd

[safe island]

though it will use Demolish more consistently and prioritize Slam against single targets for more bleed damage and better rage efficiency than juggling Ravager/Cleave/non-SD Execute.

now we slam spam?

ez

[dire hinge]

you'll do both basically, it depends on how many stacks you can get

but yeah likely line up 2nd one

[minor gust]

Think of it like CS > Demo > Demo > CS Third demo will come back while CS is going

[minor gust]

2nd one will 90% of the time not be in CS

[elfin kindle]

I dislike the missalitned cds part for gameplay

But fair

Ravager feels ass without avatar, gameplay wise

[dire hinge]

yeah having both CM and AM controlling linked spells separately is probably my least favorite part of whatever the hell blizzard is doing with our CDR

[minor gust]

if your sending Demo on CD it plays well still

[weak wave]

Don't know what you mean. You didn't see that the dw changes on Slam effects fob

[minor gust]

dont over think it in aoe just press da button do dmg

[elfin kindle]

Atleast in pure st itll feel better

[weak wave]

Random Deep wounds through Cleave is not Prio

[elfin kindle]

Priority is a clump of mobs where u cleave, so changing dw change from cleave to slam doesnt change anything in prio

[slow saddle]

i did say legit changes u just refuse to read or use ya brain but thats fine

[minor gust]

yeah ST CS and Demo should be aligned more often, but you can still get bad RNG which will lead to desync and frustration

[weak wave]

Yes it does

[safe island]

when does the new rotation usually get updated on wowhead?

[minor gust]

when the patch comes out

[safe island]

i see

[weak wave]

Crit on Slam is higher so you get more dw on Prio target

[elfin kindle]

Okay it doesnt but ure free to belive that

[safe island]

no more cleave shit in st?