Duh, just stating the change
#arms
lyric pier
so im pit of saron firt pull, we going to double ou tripple the number os demolish casts with this changes ?
umbral badger
so im pit of saron firt pull, we going to double ou tripple the number os demoli...
with hero, you are gauranteed to get 2 demos on one CS. without hero you have a chance for that to happen.
fervent cedar
Depends on MS crits
floral tide
fervent cedar
Definitely you'll be able to get a demolish in between each cs
umbral badger
like the rng is still there but at least with hero yo uare 100% doing it
twice on 1 CS
mortal crag
RAAA
vapid spire
I crafted the 2h Axe from voidspire plan instead of the warblade is it that much of a difference ?
fervent cedar
Gg nice
umbral badger
i do wonder if a priest buffing warrior with PI will gaurantee a second demo on CS every time PI is there, it should be the case.
funny enough i rarely ever see priests
mortal crag
sending sr20 again
thick kelp
sending
viral knoll
can someone explain the changes to arms in next pach (like whats the buff and whats the nerf)
umbral badger
i have not played in a week i forgot the fkign rotation xd
stoic oyster
more CDR on demolish and bigger range on demo and rend, a bit of and aoe nerf and a decent ST buff
viral knoll
thx
latent moss
sending sr20 again
what happened on first
why did group explode
a cast went through or
hidden anvil
Hello everyone, can someone tell, if there are some addon, which can help to track incoming casts into me to reflect them (like there was WA, which alerted when u are targeted by some caster).
nova marsh
Hello everyone, can someone tell, if there are some addon, which can help to tra...
I'm like 60% sure that was pruned
stoic oyster
was the rend CD added in midnight?
no that was there in TWW
hidden anvil
60%, sounds like some kind of secret knowledge
floral tide
Tbh a good platynator or plater profile gives plenty of info to do it yourself
nova marsh
...
umbral badger
60%, sounds like some kind of secret knowledge
i am 69% sure
hidden anvil
Or 67%?
rare kite
there's the addon targetedspells. it shows you the icon of the thing you're targeted by, does not tell you to reflect or anything tho
but better than nothing
slender raptor
Will sudden death still trigger reap the storm with the upcoming patch?
hidden anvil
Im fully ok with something just telling me that I’m targeted
misty bridge
default nameplates also tell you you're targeted
hidden anvil
default nameplates also tell you you're targeted
Is there any way to adjust them?
slender raptor
yes
So overall slayer is getting buffed if I didn't missread the patchnotes, isn't it?
nova marsh
overall no
aoe it's a bit of a of a nerd
But ST is a buff
And colo just gets buffed to hell and back
rare kite
aoe it's a bit of a of a nerd
slender raptor
aoe it's a bit of a of a nerd
I don't understand, how is aoe getting nerfed, am I missing something? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24271855#item7
All I see is that reap the storm chance to trigger is unchanged and that we are getting 20% bonus damage on bladestorm through unrelenting onslaught
nova marsh
I don't understand, how is aoe getting nerfed, am I missing something? https://w...
No ms reap
umbral badger
No ms reap
also one less cleave, no ?
nova marsh
that too but it's minor
golden zinc
For m+, or just in general, are you always supposed to save colossus smash for avatar? It’s weird having a 45 sec and 1.5 min to manage
slender raptor
Do you think the buff to Dominance of the Colossus makes up for the colossus nerfs such as practiced strikes damage bonus being reduced by 5%?
nova marsh
Do you think the buff to Dominance of the Colossus makes up for the colossus ner...
by literal miles yes man
slender raptor
hell yeah
balmy basalt
We gonna save demo for cs still tomorrow with cdr changes?
golden zinc
Does arms do more dmg in m+ or fury?
untold trench
It is all your fault, damn you arms. I am sad.
dire hinge
We gonna save demo for cs still tomorrow with cdr changes?
with the CDR changes you'll likely send a CS with every other Demo, but it depends on how much CDR you're able to accomplish
hard abyss
Hey guys, can you please trade some of that damage you're getting to fury? We'll give you OF for Demolish
minor gust
We gonna save demo for cs still tomorrow with cdr changes?
In ST yes in aoe no send on cd
untold trench
Hey guys, can you please trade some of that damage you're getting to fury? We'll...
I hate you
untold trench
RB for mortal strikes, a fair deal
shadow osprey
I'd be willing to trade sweeping strikes for improved whirlwind 
minor gust
Arms supremacy
Weren't you playing fury at the start of the tier?
hard abyss
Weren't you playing fury at the start of the tier?
Called out
nova marsh
Dude
olive nest
Had to for the raid spot
minor gust
Sureeeeee
nova marsh
I love it when tanks just screw off with first boss of Misara
empty sluice
olive nest
Quite literally
“I will not slot an arms warrior”
dim basalt
haha
hard abyss
Ok real question, is the "rage starved" thing real with higher ilvl? That's honestly the #1 thing stopping me from switching. Well, #2 behind having to mess with my UI yet again
minor gust
Your raid lead fell to the propaganda
dim basalt
Arms mains can play Fury but Fury mains cant play Arms 
hard abyss
Around 277/278 but itemized towards haste/mastery but that can be adjusted a decent amount
latent moss
Arms mains can play Fury but Fury mains cant play Arms <:wicked:9370938768570450...
what do i play on vorasius
-2x bb
minor gust
Full st
latent moss
?
hard abyss
Arms mains can play Fury but Fury mains cant play Arms <:wicked:9370938768570450...
Them's fighting words
minor gust
Slayer
olive nest
I haven’t gotten to kill it as arms yeah
But I would probably go full ST and not take broad strokes or powerful
minor gust
No need for SS talents
ashen trout
are you guys full sending arms in raid next week
olive nest
Fkn unga bunga challenge
dim basalt
what do i play on vorasius
I only have one parse on that boss as Fury but most likely just Slayer ST
hard abyss
There's a difference between "can't" and "won't" you bullies
minor gust
are you guys full sending arms in raid next week
Been full sending arms since the raid came out bro
ashen trout
Been full sending arms since the raid came out bro
based
hard abyss
Now I'm feeling triggered. Why did I come over here 🙁 I'm going back to my safe space
olive nest
Cone, the adds don’t live long enough and also are only by the boss on the last set so it’s not really worth playing 2T slayer build
minor gust
^
ashen trout
colo for averzian right? and we make sure we have CDs for adds
minor gust
You can play either spec depends if you wanna hard pad on adds or not
olive nest
Depends on your guilds skill
My guild eats adds alive
So Colo isn’t worth for me
I’m even considering 2T slayer for dragons because the adds die so damn fast lol
Just go boss damage king
ashen trout
ty gamers 🙂 whats the slayer 2t tree?
olive nest
It’s almost the same as ST build you just drop both Bloodborne talents for powerful and broad strokes
ashen trout
kk sweet
bright ginkgo
How OP is Pit of Saron when the new re-rolls comes out? 7/8 gear slots are great, no?
ashen trout
ye rly curious if rerolling pit or waiting for chim every week is the vibe
minor gust
Depends on the gear you need
shadow osprey
Full sending pit for the neck. Still rocking the champion from the renown 
wind hatch
yeah the loot from pit is pretty cracked
pliant heath
I'm like 60% sure that was pruned
Targetedspells - And it still works 🙂
nova marsh
Targetedspells - And it still works 🙂
It was already answered 😭
minor gust
I'm rolling on Chim till I get all that I want and then moving to pit
minor gust
All just depends on your character
nova marsh
I just want the last key for vault done
zealous sphinx
Wth is the secret to good ST with Colossus
nova marsh
Wth is the secret to good ST with Colossus
There is no secret
there is no good st with colo
minor gust
Add two more targets
umbral badger
I'm rolling on Chim till I get all that I want and then moving to pit
why pit
pulsar frost
I plan my rolls to be for gaze and heart then full sending in keys. Probably pit for the arms
umbral badger
dunno just asking
pulsar frost
It has our ring. Neck. Weapon and whatever elde
Cloak i think. Belt as well i think
minor gust
There's no big secret or tech it's just what does your character still need on myth track
umbral badger
just wondering if nexus rings will keep simming as they are now
pulsar frost
Pit was made for arms both gameplay snd loot wise
umbral badger
at bis gear
umbral badger
i think nexus rings are the bis we could get considering the bis list includes a midnight falls mythic ring ?
pulsar frost
Bis lists assumes you have all the gear in myth version
Just sim yourself based on gear you havw
Wedding ring and void from nexus id a really good combo since light doesnt give crit haste etc
pulsar frost
i think nexus rings are the bis we could get considering the bis list includes a...
Dont just follow bis lists 1 for 1 unless you get ALL of it in myth
shadow osprey
Sims put both nexus rings above wedding for me but maybe it's just that close for me in stats
nova marsh
Dont just follow bis lists 1 for 1 unless you get ALL of it in myth
Honestly don't follow bis lists at all expect for knowing what trinkets/cantrips/embellishements are good
olive nest
Your current gear will impact what the sims says is an upgrade
nova marsh
despite there being 2 haste mast rings lol
umbral badger
Dont just follow bis lists 1 for 1 unless you get ALL of it in myth
yea yea that's why i am talking abotu nexus rings :p
shadow osprey
Probably just because you hit dim returns from your other gear
umbral badger
cuz nexus rings proc is stronger on low ilevels and yet one o he 2 rings is in our bis
vale warren
I ran pit 12 times yesterday… missed belt and neck ;-;
stoic oyster
a good rule of thumb is get the highest ilvl and focus on crit haste pieces
pulsar frost
Shouldnt be able to hit DR in season 1 anyways
olive nest
For me Slarms sims do not favor more Crit because I have a 1000 it actually wants more haste
Colo is happy with as much Crit as you can find
nova marsh
colo is always gonna be bias towards crit because you have more crit damage....and demolish
minor gust
Set rings are good for ST only want wedding ring for AOE
pulsar frost
I like wedding since crit haste
Set ring id nice snd all but meh
Tho I run it on fury since it Sims better snd I need the ring anyways
nova marsh
stoic oyster
get 33.3% base crit then prio haste
nova marsh
and where are you getting this from?
minor gust
Don't do any of that. Just Sim
stoic oyster
from my head
nova marsh
Your head isn't as good as the clanker's
umbral badger
colo is always gonna be bias towards crit because you have more crit damage....a...
our 4set is the only reason making colossus want this much haste it feels like
nova marsh
our 4set is the only reason making colossus want this much haste it feels like
Feelscraft
dim basalt
lmfao
umbral badger
Feelscraft
it is not feelscraft you get longer CS duration lol
olive nest
Damn bro that cat took you to pound town
nova marsh
So?
nova marsh
And thats arms in general?
dim basalt
Damn bro that cat took you to pound town
Feral is insanely strong
rare kite
more haste also means more cdr on demolish/cs. ofcourse col wants haste hahah
dim basalt
And I was playing Slayer so
nova marsh
We acting as if arms hated haste before
novel raven
so, with increased CDR for demo, will it desync from being pressed with CS on aoe? if not i guess im suprised we only lose 3% on aoe
olive nest
Feral do be stronk,
Laugh a little
olive nest
The ones towards the top absolutely
umbral badger
We acting as if arms hated haste before
nope, more like haste competing with crit this hard is the weird thing for me
nova marsh
so, with increased CDR for demo, will it desync from being pressed with CS on ao...
Colo isnt loosing anything in aor
If anything it gains more
lyric pier
im looking on a log from vorasius
but we going to take a buff right ? but how
look we losing reap storm proc's from mortal strike and we going to have a 20% buff on blade storm
on this log have a 32 SD proc on a total of 55 Reap of storm, we losing 23 proc's
make the math and tell me how it's not a nerf it's a adjustment
nova marsh
nope, more like haste competing with crit this hard is the weird thing for me
Its always been close for me 🤷♂️
umbral badger
after 28% my crit stopped simming as good as my haste
olive nest
im looking on a log from vorasius
but we going to take a buff right ? but how
lo...
They shifted the power from random reap procs onto Bladestorm
umbral badger
which could be entirely cuz of the set bonus
olive nest
It’s a slight loss but nothing to go nuts over
wind hatch
im looking on a log from vorasius
but we going to take a buff right ? but how
lo...
what about slam gaining deep wounds
dont just ignore that
nova marsh
after 28% my crit stopped simming as good as my haste
Hold on
Youre simming gear pieces right
umbral badger
ofc
nova marsh
Oh okay good
olive nest
Check reck pot
icy panther
do you use cleave on 2 targets with only 3 collateral stacks or it doesn't matter? Also do you wait with Colossus when 3rd paladin is outside on Vanguard fight or just cast it on cd on 2 bosses
olive nest
Reck pot was 600dps upgrade for me +crit -vers
sand prairie
Slayer deadge tomorrow we just demolish from tomorrow?
olive nest
do you use cleave on 2 targets with only 3 collateral stacks or it doesn't matte...
Yes you use it with 3x collateral or during ravager
nova marsh
Slayer deadge tomorrow we just demolish from tomorrow?
Its not dead
Its still playable
But colo is gonna be ahead ye
olive nest
You can send cs/demo on cd
Assuming good play you should be able to hit all 3 most of the time
icy panther
thx
sand prairie
I just hate colossus it feels so bad sometimes dunno 🙁
umbral badger
I just hate colossus it feels so bad sometimes dunno 🙁
we all hate those "sometimes"
but the good times make up for it and more 😮
sand prairie
THats a me problem, i dont like the good times either, self stunlocking just is a thing 
umbral badger
THats a me problem, i dont like the good times either, self stunlocking just is ...
which comes with the screen showing multi 200ks crits 😮
200ks+
umbral badger
arms warriors are 2 types spinners and crit diggers 😄
sand prairie
Im not sure how the 1 less cleaves feel also but we will see maybe its not that bad than im expecting
warm fog
Im not sure how the 1 less cleaves feel also but we will see maybe its not that ...
Seems like a low key slayer buff, colossus will miss out on a cleave during ravager window?
olive nest
That is not a big deal really
You just demo 2x every pack now instead
Well 3x if key is high enough haha
warm fog
Damn true I keep forgetting about that
umbral badger
Well 3x if key is high enough haha
yea 3-4
warm fog
Now 3 chances for your tank to pull
Mobs out!
olive nest
So true lmao
sand prairie
Or chain when u just colossust
olive nest
Smdh
warm fog
My usual group has gotten used to me playing thane and my first colossus key it was like I was getting actively punked by the tank
kind stag
slayer is still gonna be stronger if you dont vibe with tank yeah
colo is gonna be giga but the second tank griefs you its gg
dense sphinx
are we gonna cdr demo fast enough to use it a 2nd time in the same colsmash during aoe
umbral badger
are we gonna cdr demo fast enough to use it a 2nd time in the same colsmash duri...
sometimes
dim basalt
are we gonna cdr demo fast enough to use it a 2nd time in the same colsmash duri...
Will have to test it with some haste
dense sphinx
maybe a lust only angle
dim basalt
but then i doubt we cdr it in time for the next colsmash tho rite
Should still work I think?
warm fog
When that first MS double crits 🙏
olive nest
are we gonna cdr demo fast enough to use it a 2nd time in the same colsmash duri...
With enough haste yes surely that’s why guidon is so sick for Colo
dim basalt
May depend on crit
umbral badger
maybe a lust only angle
even on dummies it can happen unbuffed so it is posisble always, just more garuanteed with hero or PI
but it does not happen ever if mortal is not number 1 prio
so in that sense i am not sure if it's worth
did not think about it
warm fog
Gonna be that Vince McMahon meme where each MS crit takes a fat chunk off our demo cd
umbral badger
like on dummies sometimes 2 MS = full reset and sometimes 3
and that's what makes the difference
blazing linden
Hi guys did u wait 2 stack of execute passiv or perma use the proc in single target ?
nova marsh
Hi guys did u wait 2 stack of execute passiv or perma use the proc in single tar...
Executioner for slayer?
radiant patio
colo is gonna be giga but the second tank griefs you its gg
What do you mean by tank grief? Like kiting out of demolish?
olive nest
My guy is bing chillin
scenic matrix
Hi quick question: is wrecking throw with javelineer a full interrupt+silence or is it just preventing someone to cast if the mob is not casting?
warm fog
What do you mean by tank grief? Like kiting out of demolish?
Yes tank moves pack just as you demolish
radiant patio
Yes tank moves pack just as you demolish
A problem that bladestorm will never have 😈
stoic oyster
ugh when the mob randomly teleports just as i hit demo
olive nest
Hi quick question: is wrecking throw with javelineer a full interrupt+silence or...
It will stop an active cast & prevents casting for the duration and the mob will cast as soon as the duration ends
scenic matrix
It will stop an active cast & prevents casting for the duration and the mob will...
thank you very much
olive nest
Anytime Goodluck have fun
novel raven
Colo isnt loosing anything in aor
its losing 1x cleave charge 5% cleave dmg and Cleave applying deep wounds it only gains the demo CDR
nova marsh
its losing 1x cleave charge 5% cleave dmg and Cleave applying deep wounds it on...
Yeah
And demo cdr is legit disgustingly massive
stoic oyster
its pretty hige buff
novel raven
or just send
nova marsh
Just send for aoe
blazing linden
Executioner for slayer?
Yeah for slayer
novel raven
because obv if we hold we gain nothing, it alrdy natty lines up
nova marsh
because obv if we hold we gain nothing, it alrdy natty lines up
You could concieavly hold for st
blazing linden
Ok so i send sd i dont wait 2 stack ok i see ty
radiant patio
its losing 1x cleave charge 5% cleave dmg and Cleave applying deep wounds it on...
I mean, slayer is also losing the free cleave aswell, i think it's just a powershift from cleave to actual hero talents, made for demolish and blamestorm to shine, kinda cool imo
umbral badger
I mean, slayer is also losing the free cleave aswell, i think it's just a powers...
it is a good powershift
we need to be in a position where an aura buff does not break one thing at the cost of another
imo
radiant patio
Cleave is a cool spell don't get me wrong, but 4 cleaves in a row is a bit degenerate
novel raven
its just going to desync Demo and CS windows
umbral badger
this entire thing where we are too weak on one thing and can't be buffed cuz it breaks the other is annoying
nova marsh
its just going to desync Demo and CS windows
Is it thou
nova marsh
Will be
Leeme put this into pov
It should be 100% possible given okay crit rng to get two demos into smash with lust
TWO
novel raven
if the CDR is actually that much where its 50% more Demo sure, but that does not napkin math in my head (admittedly its napkin math)
novel raven
building 2 max stacks is unchanged
novel raven
you cant build stacks faster
nova marsh
Sweep crits count for more stacks
novel raven
from current
nova marsh
Yeah
boreal bay
do we have rough estimates of tomorrow changes for both colo and slayer, and both st and aoe?
nova marsh
And thats fine cuz its almost 100% anyways
nova marsh
?????
novel raven
nothing about how we generate stacks is changing
nova marsh
?????? I am aware
stoic oyster
do we have rough estimates of tomorrow changes for both colo and slayer, and bot...
colossus loses 3% aoe and gains 8% st, not sure slayer
nova marsh
colossus loses 3% aoe and gains 8% st, not sure slayer
Wheres that from
boreal bay
colossus loses 3% aoe and gains 8% st, not sure slayer
ok that's good then
slow saddle
yeah so
collosos STONKS
keep in mind the 3% is MASS aoe
which is pretty useless
we also increase out Funnel
boreal bay
keep in mind the 3% is MASS aoe
you mean +8 targets?
radiant patio
Question: if reap the storm doesn't proc from MS anymore, isn't that a st nerf? Does the 20% bladestorm buff cover that?
slow saddle
Question: if reap the storm doesn't proc from MS anymore, isn't that a st nerf? ...
theres also the change to Deep wounds
that adds slam instead of cleave
those 2 together equals net 0 nloss
wind hatch
theres also the change to Deep wounds
idk why literally everybody is forgetting about this
boreal bay
so slayer ST is untouched?
boreal bay
yea sad
slow saddle
keep in mind Collosus gets a random 7% buff for str
which ofc it needs
but slayer arms desperately needs more st as well
for raid
boreal bay
wait are you guys not benched?
slow saddle
we are not that far yet
😄
going to dragons so imma cook for 1 more week
then we have paladins
THEN im bench
hopefully Collosus gets antother 30% of ST
nova marsh
THEN im bench
Rip
boreal bay
hopefully Collosus gets antother 30% of ST
coping hard
slow saddle
i mean theres no way u bring any NON semi ranged melee
nova marsh
Seriously we need st so bad
radiant patio
So deep wounds doesn't trigger from cleave or?
wind hatch
So deep wounds doesn't trigger from cleave or?
yes
nova marsh
So deep wounds doesn't trigger from cleave or?
No its on slam now
slow saddle
and fury is 105?
looking at RET with better profile and 15k more dmg
- uhdk with 15k more 10k more than ret?
malaka
radiant patio
Do we even talent for it then? Xd
nova marsh
https://www.wowhead.com/news/8-hour-maintenance-scheduled-before-patch-12-0-5-on-april-21st-381292?utm_source=discord-webhook man I go into work late 😭
wind hatch
even in keys
slow saddle
i mean
slow saddle
Do we even talent for it then? Xd
its still big man
also believe it or not
we dont have more aoe talents to take
boreal bay
plus cleave keeps doing the free slam, so we get one wound there, hey that's something
slow saddle
thats why we take it btw
radiant patio
But deep wounds from cleave it's been the core of arms for so long now 😭
slow saddle
cleave does to much dmg
wind hatch
deep wounds doesnt work like it used to
vast helm
move Reap the Storm to class tree and balance damage for proc and re-design the slayer trees
slow saddle
we need less dmg from cleave
steep escarp
12.1 is the arms rework patch, trust.
slow saddle
move Reap the Storm to class tree and balance damage for proc and re-design the ...
Reap is Perfect now wdym
nova marsh
12.1 is the arms rework patch, trust.
No its 13.0
sacred zodiac
move Reap the Storm to class tree and balance damage for proc and re-design the ...
yess move even more damage to the class tree great idea
radiant patio
deep wounds doesnt work like it used to
Well yes it's the old mastery, but still it was aoe bleed which we randomly lose
olive nest
Can they remove all damage from the class tree
sacred zodiac
i already love dropping damage for stance mastery
steep escarp
No its 13.0
Yeah my bad, silly me. 13.0 is our time boys.
sacred zodiac
Can they remove all damage from the class tree
no you'd need the designers from ranged specs to look at warrior which wont happen
nova marsh
no you'd need the designers from ranged specs to look at warrior which wont happ...
And now warrior is fake melee
Gg
hollow herald
I have the weapon from PoS myth i upgrade that first no?
nova marsh
I have the weapon from PoS myth i upgrade that first no?
Send those crests
wind hatch
I have the weapon from PoS myth i upgrade that first no?
yes always weapon
nova marsh
Huge weap
sacred zodiac
hello jim jon
daring flicker
nerd
sacred zodiac
let us log in to outpost
wind hatch
Well yes it's the old mastery, but still it was aoe bleed which we randomly lose
cleave is still >40% of our damage in aoe even without dw
thick kelp
40% understatement
wind hatch
yeah lol
vast helm
Because Reap the storm they cant even handle the proc and damage so they keep on tuning and reverse the tuning and cant do anything for both Slayer and Colossus
thick kelp
Its 43% on Slayer lol
sacred zodiac
crazy debuff uptime
radiant patio
And for col cleave is more, no? Since it focuses more on cleave buffs
hard dragon
thick kelp
And colossus with similar conditions
sacred zodiac
rend uptime is worse but deep wounds uptime is better interesting
get the analysts on that
fresh spire
Demolish applying it to 8 targets
fresh spire
asuming thats also live so it has deep wounds cleaver still
thick kelp
asuming thats also live so it has deep wounds cleaver still
Mimmyron sims
so no DW cleaves
fresh spire
low duration at 9 casts demo
thick kelp
rend uptime is worse but deep wounds uptime is better interesting
Guess how many demolishes in 40s pull
fresh spire
like 3 mins
calm hollow
Cast rend enough times to have 800% uptime
Cast rend ❌ cast only rend ✅
sacred zodiac
Guess how many demolishes in 40s pull
2.8
olive nest
4 demolishes with lust and guidon
calm hollow
with some luck, i could double demo right now on paladins pull
thick kelp
yeah same
calm hollow
but wasnt consistent
thick kelp
in .5 its gonna be 4 demolishes on pull with some luck
calm hollow
holy
sand prairie
Maybe i did my boy Demolish wrong it was not even that bad as expected for my first demolish "true" key
fiery quest
so colossus didnt gain ST damage and only gained priority damage increase of 8%?
heavy pewter
so colossus didnt gain ST damage and only gained priority damage increase of 8%?
I'm new to the verbage, so forgive me if I'm wrong here, but isn't that ST damage?
fiery quest
priority damage is capabability of focusing a mob during aoe. Like focusing a spellcaster or some mob that needs to be downed during aoe
at least thats what i know
heavy pewter
oooooh, okay. That makes sense. TY
umbral badger
i personally do care about ST dps in a ST spec for colossus too :p if it's close enough i might just not play slayer at all
i hate slayer afterall
cedar cairn
would it be accurate to say slayer would shine more on higher keys and col would be solid while still doing 10s?
lyric pier
so tomorrow we going to double or triple the number os demolish cast's ?
fiery quest
would it be accurate to say slayer would shine more on higher keys and col would...
as far as I know colossus is better than slayer in high keys
heavy pewter
I guess I don't understand why they even changed Arms? It's basically a nerf to Slayer and negligible difference for Colossus?
fiery quest
especially after update
thick kelp
eta gg
fiery quest
I guess I don't understand why they even changed Arms? It's basically a nerf to ...
well Colossus aoe is nuts but their ST is trash. I was hoping this update increased their ST even if it took a slight hit to AOE
but the goat only stated increase in priority damage
so im waiting for some warrior brain to explain if ST actually increased too
mortal crag
@thick kelp got a quick tldr on the boss?
wicked aurora
increase in prio dam should be increase in ST
mortal crag
its an increase in ST as well
mortal crag
by like 8% iirc
thick kelp
<@865605822638063647> got a quick tldr on the boss?
on crown ?!?
fiery quest
?
mortal crag
on crown y
wicked aurora
8%?
rose ibex
Slayer prioing op over ms is weird
thick kelp
do 2t if allowed
wicked aurora
prio dam isn't some niche damage profile like funnel
thick kelp
full ST talents
fiery quest
i think it might be slightly off cause you do AOE rotation still during priority damage meaning that cleave does slam
in ST you dont get cleave slam
dim basalt
Slayer prioing op over ms is weird
Was like that all of TWW
wicked aurora
Was like that all of TWW
not in ST?
calm hollow
i'm on bench since paladins, no need for a dps warrior, tank is enough for buff 🙂
good balance
shy dew
dim basalt
not in ST?
Opportunity > MS
wicked aurora
only time you prio'd OP over MS in ST was oppo procs
mortal crag
yeah im full st talents ig
dim basalt
I was assuming the proc
wicked aurora
bro why is Seat so aids?
olive nest
i'm on bench since paladins, no need for a dps warrior, tank is enough for buff ...
Honestly is kind of troll not to bring a arms warrior over other melee on that fight
dim basalt
I love Seat ngl
wicked aurora
paladins not pressing freedom, tanks getting randomly clapped
dim basalt
Fuck AA and SR
calm hollow
Honestly is kind of troll not to bring a arms warrior over other melee on that f...
which?
umbral badger
so im waiting for some warrior brain to explain if ST actually increased too
yea basically that's my point too, i'd love to be able to play colossus on most fights if it's just 5% behind for example
sacred zodiac
paladins not pressing freedom, tanks getting randomly clapped
berserker shout that shit no
wicked aurora
berserker shout that shit no
doesn't stop the ret pally fdrom walking over me lmao
heavy pewter
yea basically that's my point too, i'd love to be able to play colossus on most ...
Same
fiery quest
where is the goat theorycrafter
olive nest
i am in paladins, after paladins i'm benched
Oh yeah I’m in the same boat just afk the rest of the tier and wait for the re clear carry I guess 
sacred zodiac
surely the buffs will make arms broken on lura and they have to emergency reclear gear me
wicked aurora
who needs an explanation, number go up in ST and we no longer have aids bloated rotation for no reason in ST gg ez
calm hollow
Oh yeah I’m in the same boat just afk the rest of the tier and wait for the re c...
same, i will be on maybe on reclear at some point in Lura and Beloren, also Alleria
olive nest
Yeah it’s actually complete dogass
stoic oyster
3% less zug 8% more bonk
olive nest
Fkn blizzard I tell ya
warm fog
who needs an explanation, number go up in ST and we no longer have aids bloated ...
Honestly just being able to slam and chill in ST is a nice simplification
warm fog
And I say this as a slam disliker
wicked aurora
Honestly just being able to slam and chill in ST is a nice simplification
pressing cleave in ST is just...omegabad design lol
dim basalt
never in my life i was on bench on progress
Join a good guild
olive nest
My first time on the bench also in the past 4 years of mythic raiding
It’s shit but wcyd
Shoulda mained a wizard
calm hollow
Shoulda mained a wizard
or any ranged, tbh
wicked aurora
woyer too gud
wicked aurora
Or drop world rank
what rank is ur guild?
umbral badger
Same
yea someone told me it's 10% behind which is annoying me so need confirmation lol
sacred zodiac
wonder how many dps warriors are progging lura rn
wicked aurora
Last tier was high 400 idk the exact rank
feel like that's still not high enough to bench over class choice
olive nest
Oh well we definitely did this tier
calm hollow
we are at 259, Alleria dead
olive nest
I think it’s more “roll” choice rather than class
wicked aurora
not saying it doesn't happen just seems too low to bother still
dim basalt
Youre in a 259 guild and never got benched? You must be overperforming lmao
olive nest
He just doesn’t want to slot in more than 2-3 melee
Because of how bad melee are
And we have 7 melee I think?
calm hollow
Youre in a 259 guild and never got benched? You must be overperforming lmao
warrior wasnt this bad for endboss prog in a long while
you dont want more than 1-2 melee on any fight
dim basalt
I will have to trial on Alleria lol
calm hollow
and those will be DK and paladin with immunities
olive nest
Not because we are warriors
dim basalt
Even though I told them I can wait until Beloren
rose stratus
warrior damage so shit on alleria
rose stratus
thats rough
olive nest
It’s total ass
rose stratus
its still dogass
stable fiber
obviously
dim basalt
How far are you in prog Kha
stable fiber
p2
sacred zodiac
beloren war damage isnt as bad as alleria
are you axed for lura or playing
stable fiber
warrior is worse on beloren then it is lura
olive nest
Grats frozo have fun!
stable fiber
you can top dps on lura as warrior, you cant on beloren
olive nest
P1 is the real boss
sacred zodiac
hmm
slow saddle
30% increased ST
dim basalt
We just started Alleria prog and I'm in for it
Are you raiding today or tmr? Need some tips for Wednesday
slow saddle
all from Demolish
😄
there would be a chance for it to shine on eggs
2 fucking big slams into a tiny egg = egg should break
minor gust
Are you raiding today or tmr? Need some tips for Wednesday
Tomorrow and Wednesday. Thankfully I got swordish kill vod to study off of
dim basalt
Pls link it xoxo
slow saddle
as im in a slowass guild
any dragon tips ?
😄
apart from next week be collosus and slam taht bitch 😄
thick kelp
any dragon tips ?
pad pad pad
minor gust
Pls link it xoxo
Search swordish wow on YouTube he's got a vid for it
dim basalt
Oh
olive nest
Swordish streams
dim basalt
Couldn't find one earlier when I checked
olive nest
You can find his stuff
dim basalt
Gotta be specific ig
slow saddle
pad pad pad
it could be collosus boss no?
stable fiber
you play colo m+
slow saddle
ms 20 sec cdr
stable fiber
build
slow saddle
rly in Mythic ?
slow saddle
SWEET ASS
olive nest
Hahaha
stable fiber
its the highest boss damage build
stable fiber
until i get proven otherwise
minor gust
For dragons could do Colo 2T with fob if you don't wanna pad on orbs
stable fiber
my boss damage is still r1 on that boss so i havent been proven wrong yet
minor gust
And just fuck the boss
slow saddle
For dragons could do Colo 2T with fob if you don't wanna pad on orbs
isnt that basicly the M+ build
stable fiber
just play the m+ build
slow saddle
guess u could take
olive nest
I’m surprised that slayer 2T isn’t omega owning on dragons
slow saddle
u could remove mass execution
stable fiber
I’m surprised that slayer 2T isn’t omega owning on dragons
im playing it whenever i kill it again to test
slow saddle
and take overpowreing finish
olive nest
I was going to do the same because the adds just delete with my team
slow saddle
y so basicly the ST build
calm hollow
just play the m+ build
if you hit the boss with demo, does it hit the orbs too? never tested that always turned on the orbs
stable fiber
if you hit the boss with demo, does it hit the orbs too? never tested that alway...
yup
minor gust
I’m surprised that slayer 2T isn’t omega owning on dragons
Cuz slayer does nothing on orbs really so not many people tried it out
feral palm
Is mastery worth in arms?
stable fiber
Is mastery worth in arms?
its aight
you want heavy haste crit on everything though
its not AWFUL to have like 300-500 mastery though
300-500 vers is very bad though
stable fiber
yeah
calm hollow
300-500 vers is very bad though
perfect vers 
feral palm
I mean ive 220 mastery
calm hollow
well, almost, gloves has vers
feral palm
with crit flask
calm hollow
gloves sim only 180 more than the windrunner gloves for me
stable fiber
with crit flask
solid
calm hollow
so i would think about it
stoic oyster
Is mastery worth in arms?
this one has been pretty huge in cooldownwindows
stable fiber
that trinket is op on beloren
olive nest
maybe if i switch to reck pot
Check reck pot because it was like 600dps up for me as high crit low vers
stable fiber
Check reck pot because it was like 600dps up for me as high crit low vers
gotchu 1 sec
what are the wrs gloves called
calm hollow
with crit flask
wait, how do you have so much crit? with pot?
stable fiber
need to add 2 top gear sim
hybrid needle
this one has been pretty huge in cooldownwindows
I cant even begin to tell you how much i hate this trinket
stable fiber
i refuse to use it
even if it sims better
unless im doing beloren
then ill use it
marsh forge
what are the wrs gloves called
emberglove something
stable fiber
ty
olive nest
I fell prey to the puzzle box in the first vault
minor gust
Nah you right it's ember
olive nest
Never again will I pick a hard casted trinket
crystal rain
embergrove grasps
olive nest
I will just do less dps forever
thick kelp
eta gg
hybrid needle
I prefer my nhc vorasius trinket over a myth puzzle Box. Thats how much i hate it
wicked aurora
I am actually going to crash out lmao
these tanks in seat man
14 all the way down to an 11 now
rose stratus
did you also get a fotm brew who dashes 19 nautical miles away from the champions
dull comet
Hello ! With the change, Colossus became better than Slayer in MM+ ?
wicked aurora
did you also get a fotm brew who dashes 19 nautical miles away from the champion...
brews and warriors who randomly fall over in first area
rose stratus
brews and warriors who randomly fall over in first area
that bleed dont fuck around
stable fiber
like 150-250 more
olive nest
@stable fiber bro can you learn what the best shit is so when I export your build off warcraftlogs I’m optimal.. smdh
stable fiber
mby better on lura though cause of the termination crystals
wicked aurora
just wall or dorf ez
olive nest
stable fiber
<@232249410103279616> bro can you learn what the best shit is so when I export y...
sim tells me im right!!!!
idk
wicked aurora
I swear I'm tank prison man
olive nest
Lmao
proven veldt
definitely very few people using brutal finish looking at logs
stable fiber
its very close though
wicked aurora
only way to actually push my key effectively is just strap on the shield
stable fiber
Are you simming on 12.05 stuff tho?
well considering wes killed the boss on live
like yesterday
no
calm hollow
brutal finish is 300 dps loss for me 
stable fiber
not on mimiron
olive nest
Why would you sim mimiron
minor gust
Oh are you raiding tonight?
minor gust
Why would you sim mimiron
Cuz 12.05 is out tomorrow
olive nest
That’s fair
olive nest
cause BS damage is getting buffed
Surely no way when BS is up 20
stable fiber
yeah thats what i thought
minor gust
Yup
stable fiber
culling has been a loss for me though cause of how im using BS on l'ura
gulp
time to switch it up
zz
calm hollow
i just need a cancelaura for hunt, to not fuck me over, cause i have 2 more crit than haste
lmao
thorn stream
damn 7% multitarget loss is more than i expected to be the finale number
dull comet
If Demolish is more frequent, does that mean you should use it on cooldown without waiting for Colossus Smash?
minor gust
If Demolish is more frequent, does that mean you should use it on cooldown witho...
In aoe yes send on cd. St you will still hold for cs
mystic bronze
If Demolish is more frequent, does that mean you should use it on cooldown witho...
To me it now reads as a "send on CD" button that you line up with CS every other cast
calm hollow
@reef glade can you send me your pot macro?
thorn stream
Sims are sims. Actual m+ will be a lil different.
yea i'll try anyway
stable fiber
1%
calm hollow
yea
stable fiber
need to check wrs gloves as well
dim basalt
You guys know what's gigachad? Farover playing col in AA
stable fiber
you might be able to pull some packs on the island you usually go to after you kill crawth and pull them into crawths island
they might snap
id have to see how they does it
dim basalt
Need to check their vod
dull comet
Thanks for answer, and las tquestion but, that mean COlossus is not trash anymore in solo target ?
minor gust
Farover has also said he's just playing colo because he wants to play Colo and it's what he's used too
stable fiber
^ that too
minor gust
It's nothing like a hate slayer
dim basalt
Didn't know
minor gust
He's doing the ol based thing and playing what he wants
dim basalt
Tbh with his comp it doesn't really matter
stable fiber
oh i see what the sim does
it drops the haste on the ring so i can guranteed proc crit every reck pot
intelligent i didnt even know i had haste on my ring
how is it with a vantus rune tho
proven veldt
or hunt?
calm hollow
how is it with a vantus rune tho
vantus is vers tho, does it matter?
stable fiber
Vantus just adds 5%, not actual vers
this is not true
dim basalt
You sure?
stable fiber
gives you 270 vers which equals out to 5%
stable fiber
but you get 270 while fighting the boss
lucid gull
True
dim basalt
Oh nvm then
stable fiber
if you have 1380 vers already you would lose 10% of 270 for example
so then its like 4.5% vers
the % is just damage increase
damn... vantus rune makes reck pot worse
gg
and i dont risk my weapon proccing and proccing haste pot lmfao
slow saddle
i mean i thought we used Light one
at least i am as arms atm
mainly coz im 2 haste heavy 😭
stable fiber
reck pot sims better when you dont lose a lot of vers
but with vantus rune i would use light's potential
calm hollow
so better for anything, other than prog boss
stable fiber
yeah
calm hollow
kinda ass for last boss (aka Lura), since you will always vantus that
stuck yacht
umbral badger
rip my parse on vaelgor and ezzorak probably sucked hard
but website broken so can't check :p
umbral badger
New partition this week anyway
oh wait what's gonna happen, is it related to the polls ?
olive nest
Well no it’s 12.0.5
umbral badger
New partition this week anyway
because afte we killed the boss and checked logs apparently some people were not even damaging the boss and just saving cds for the voidorbs, no wonder they died in 0.5 seconds sometimes 🤣
but at least i did do good boss dmg so there is that
olive nest
Only warrior, devourer, devastation should do that everyone else is trolling for parse instead of killing the boss imo
umbral badger
Only warrior, devourer, devastation should do that everyone else is trolling for...
yup, i would have done many more ferver slams if ppl did not do that
ferver hardly gave me any value
olive nest
Well you still play it tbh
latent moss
New partition this week anyway
i had 400 ping perma on vorasius
due to routing
legit missed
umbral badger
i mean yea ofc it is still better than any other option
olive nest
Damn that’s actually so bad feeling
I’m curious what 2T slayer build does
I’m playing that next week if I’m in on drags
autumn nexus
Do you guys do decent single target damage? I'm at 265 and 2p. I do like 35-45 as colosus
umbral badger
i had 400 ping perma on vorasius
england ? all english ppl in teh guild were lagging the other day
umbral badger
Do you guys do decent single target damage? I'm at 265 and 2p. I do like 35-45 a...
sounds about right for colossus in m+ build
autumn nexus
Aoe is bonkers but st is pathetic
rose matrix
Do you guys do decent single target damage? I'm at 265 and 2p. I do like 35-45 a...
I don't know the exact numbers but Colossus is terrible ST without funnel
autumn nexus
What about after patch?
umbral badger
Aoe is bonkers but st is pathetic
basically until i reached 278 is when i started to reach 70k sometimes as colossus
autumn nexus
Or is slayer still viable cos inho they kill reap
I mean if I could do 50-60 I'll be happy. That sbluld be reachable
umbral badger
What about after patch?
after patch it is supposed to be much better
rose matrix
Colossus is definitely better after the patch but both are fine
umbral badger
I mean if I could do 50-60 I'll be happy. That sbluld be reachable
you won't do 60k with 265 i think in m+ build
umbral badger
i don't think it's "alot" of reap damage
it was 20% on mortal strike and it's not like mortal strike is the prio in aoe
rose matrix
Also if you don't have 4set that's a lot of damage lost
autumn nexus
You lose the proc obmn ms, no?
Is four set that good?
I thought it's like no damage
umbral badger
you do but it most reap procs on AoE are probably from cleave not morals i assume, no ?
autumn nexus
I can't get plate pants to drop. Is it worth using seat gloves, or the wind runner gloves?
autumn nexus
you do but it most reap procs on AoE are probably from cleave not morals i assum...
You do both and both can proc it
It's ms and 3t cleaver
umbral badger
yes but you do cleaves mroe than mortals
autumn nexus
Now you lose ms
umbral badger
on aoe
sacred zodiac
I can't get plate pants to drop. Is it worth using seat gloves, or the wind runn...
seat gloves should be good enough to just equip hc and gear around it
autumn nexus
I think I do even lol
rose matrix
4set is pretty massive
rose matrix
Think it's like 4% over 2set
umbral badger
I think I do even lol
i mean the sources for reap to proc are not only mortal and cleave, and cleave you get 3 after a CS even.
autumn nexus
My other chars are all 279/279/280 so it's hard to compare
sacred zodiac
wait how are you 2 set do we not have enough cata charges to just make 4p natty yet
umbral badger
i think one more catalyst after this reset, no ?
autumn nexus
I need to sit down and read how arms works these days. My mortal strikes range from 70 crits to 180
On colossus
I know execute buffs it but we can only do it once anyway
umbral badger
I need to sit down and read how arms works these days. My mortal strikes range f...
it's even more than that range :p even at my "i think 280 as of tonight" i level my mortal can like 50k minimum
and 250k max
autumn nexus
Doing like 870l demolish into 900k ms on the nexus boss with ligjt
Is so satisfying
rose matrix
Is demo getting nerfed this patch?
autumn nexus
No
rose matrix
Really? Somehow Warrior is catching nerfs and not demo?
reef glade
<@593536556472729602> can you send me your pot macro?
what just this? to get rid of potential haste buffs
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Hasty Hunt
/cancelaura Frenzied Focus
/use Fleeting Potion of Recklessness
shouldnt matter if u have alot more crit but i have like 20 more
umbral badger
@autumn nexus anyway try to get 4 set before you burn your self out or just wait the reset. so you can drop catalysts after that.
autumn nexus
So how does slayer work then. It's a bit better st and worse aoe. Tomorrow they buffing Colossus st and nerfing slayer aoe too
rose matrix
Just stick to Colossus if you're already playing it
autumn nexus
Warlock demo is getting aoe damage jailers lol
rose matrix
Slayer is better st
reef glade
this also something someone in my guild cooked but not sure if it's worked for me quite yet meant to use all 4 pots in an order but even if it does work and i cant tell well its awful at showing the tooltips for it
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Hasty Hunt
/cancelaura Frenzied Focus
/use item:245902
/use item:241288
/use item:245903
/use item:241289
autumn nexus
It's going to be nutty
rose matrix
I am just amazed repeatedly at how Blizzard treats Warriors
scenic cedar
Don't forget that how a Warrior feels also depends on other classes that might get buffed or nerfed. Maybe some of you have FOTM alts or have been keeping an eye out — are the top-tier classes getting hit hard with nerfs? Specifically UDK or Demo Lock?
i dont wanna be FORM arms warrior, but if other classes get 10% flat bufs - i will be sad 😄
rose matrix
Nerf them whenever they are strong and we watch other specs get to be overpowered for an entire patch
autumn nexus
I haven't played warrior since bfa
umbral badger
this also something someone in my guild cooked but not sure if it's worked for m...
this one is the only way you can use the gold star pots for example os it's understandable.
olive nest
what just this? to get rid of potential haste buffs
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Ha...
Hollyy tech bro
umbral badger
this also something someone in my guild cooked but not sure if it's worked for m...
btw what is this "cancelaura hasty hunt"
what the fk is hasty hunt
autumn nexus
But if this is how bad war st is now. How was it s month ago
reef glade
hunt weapon embell
autumn nexus
20k DPS st?
reef glade
if u have not a crafted weap prolly dont need it
foggy citrus
Where do I want to go from here for stat prio? I do Raid/M+ and I'm fine with playing both Col and Slayer.
reef glade
Hollyy tech bro
works most of the time but once or twice still seen a haste reck pot
umbral badger
what is the interraction
reef glade
not sure how that happens
but gg ig
cant imagine im missing a haste buff i dont know about but not sure
umbral badger
so what, like the weapon embel is ruining rek pot somehow ?
olive nest
I can’t think of any random haste buffs
autumn nexus
But with Colo getting buffs and hopefully me some items and 4p I can reach the promised land of 60k+. I'll be happy
rose matrix
If you plan on doing higher keys and tanks start pulling into the bosses Colossus is insane
autumn nexus
Do we know of we can upgrade weapon and both trinkets first week with the new voidforge?
olive nest
Just hit 290 ilv and you’ll do 60k dungeon boss damage
calm hollow
what just this? to get rid of potential haste buffs
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Ha...
thanks
i have 1017 crit and 1015 haste, so...
umbral badger
thanks
can you explain to me why do we need to get rid of the haste a potential haste buff :p i am worried now that i am doing osmething worng lol
i feel so lost lol
olive nest
It’s because reck pot gives you your highest stat
calm hollow
can you explain to me why do we need to get rid of the haste a potential haste b...
only if you use reck potion, to not have more haste than crit
umbral badger
ahh
olive nest
And you do not want it to give you haste
calm hollow
yes