Until tank trolls
#arms
nova marsh
minor gust
minor gust
was never arguing colo wont lean more into as the goto pick
nova marsh
We just accept arms will have pretty meh st in keys
plain violet
i don't know if i like this to be honest, i feel like post talent rework Arms was at its most fun in DF S2 where you had crazy prio damage and had the tier set + dread doing passive frontal cone damage. I hate boss fights taking a lifetime
nova marsh
As we have since df
mortal crag
i don't know if i like this to be honest, i feel like post talent rework Arms wa...
U still have prio??
minor gust
the difference between slayer and colo ST in M+ tho is still 10% btw
nova marsh
i don't know if i like this to be honest, i feel like post talent rework Arms wa...
I honestly dont either
I just wish arms had a lot better st in general
plain violet
U still have prio??
lets not be ridiculous, the primary slam hit is NOTHING like perma uptime sweeping single target rotation on massive pulls
shy cairn
spire, AA, seat, xenas, skyreach, MT all have at least 1 boss you cant funnel
and like AA has what, 3?
mortal crag
lets not be ridiculous, the primary slam hit is NOTHING like perma uptime sweepi...
You literally double your st on aoe
rare kite
i don't know if i like this to be honest, i feel like post talent rework Arms wa...
s2 tierset was whatever, barely noticed it. now s3 df tierset where you got a free tc when sd, that was noticeable. such a fun set
minor gust
lets not be ridiculous, the primary slam hit is NOTHING like perma uptime sweepi...
you are clearly cluegi as to whats going on when colo has one of the best prio/funnel in the game right now
nova marsh
spire, AA, seat, xenas, skyreach, MT all have at least 1 boss you cant funnel
Tbh more like all of them
Maybe vex
mortal crag
lets not be ridiculous, the primary slam hit is NOTHING like perma uptime sweepi...
My st on aoe is over 100k what are u even saying
nova marsh
Youre trolling to take bladestorm mobs into headmaster
mortal crag
Colo funnel is insane
shy cairn
Youre trolling to take bladestorm mobs into headmaster
yea
mortal crag
Colo prio damage is through the roof
mortal crag
Do you really think it's just the slam modifier?
mortal crag
Hes feeling
He should feel what an amplified cleave does to mobs at 35% hp with sweeping and heroic strike procs
nova marsh
He should feel what an amplified cleave does to mobs at 35% hp with sweeping and...
Absoutlely fucking peak
So goated and good
mortal crag
God u literally see the hp bar GET CHUNKED
Like visibly go down each time cleave is pressed
minor gust
He should feel what an amplified cleave does to mobs at 35% hp with sweeping and...
some reason he aint feeling the double CS uptime and triple CM stack generation
mortal crag
some reason he aint feeling the double CS uptime and triple CM stack generation
LMAO
Me when I mass execute an entire pack of mobs and demolish for 5 gajillion but no st
zenith warren
are you guys sending bonus rolls on chimaerus or skyreach for example (weapon, trinket, cloak)? iirc m+ rolls are cheaper
minor gust
Chim
nova marsh
are you guys sending bonus rolls on chimaerus or skyreach for example (weapon, t...
Depends on what u need
minor gust
without a 2nd thought
mortal crag
I'll probs send on weapon
nova marsh
But probably Chime
mortal crag
Frozen bozo what should I send on
nova marsh
Im sending on trinkets because all I got is heart of wind thats good
Sapor paw on two toons
mortal crag
nova marsh
🙁
mortal crag
@minor gust lowkey just chillin
minor gust
Frozen bozo what should I send on
I need all 3 of these on myth so Ik what im sending
nova marsh
Absolutely gaming
rare kite
bruv how much you sim st?
mortal crag
On slayer?
rare kite
yessir
mortal crag
Close to 91k
rare kite
jesus
zenith warren
so we can send 3 bonus rolls in m+ and how many in raid?
rare kite
well i say that but i also sim 91k if i get myth gaze
nova marsh
I dont raid mythic
mortal crag
Yeye
nova marsh
Maybe ill pug first 2
mortal crag
Bigus
mortal crag
Wait can we bonus roll THIS reset?
nova marsh
No
mortal crag
As in, on the vault we are about to open?
nova marsh
Next
minor gust
What's the wep there?
Pit also has helm and shoulders for you
rare kite
this upcoming reset
minor gust
Pit 100% your goto bonus roll send
rare kite
yeye we can
zenith warren
crafted neck and nexus rings, cba pit
mortal crag
We need to send 20s
Cba
I think resi 20 next week doable
Just need a good key sesh
mortal crag
It toned down a bit
I went for the wedding ring on aoe
Nexus set sims higher in st
minor gust
I use set rings for the mastery none of my shit wants triple crit jewelry
minor gust
hmmmm
nova marsh
I use set rings for the mastery none of my shit wants triple crit jewelry
Im salty its my rogue with 40% crit
Give my warrior that shit
mortal crag
It's 0.3 loss in st but like 0.8 gain in aoe
But after reset my rogue goes sub
So he won't steal my funnel
plus perma tricks finally
Holy shit assassination tricks is so ass
mortal crag
I told him he should do outlaw but
nova marsh
Dosent want a sword or hates rng?
mortal crag
Uh maybe idk
I mean assa dam profile is good
But yeah we started noticing he eats my funnel
Sub has good prio and burst snyways
And perma tricks
So im fine with sub
nova marsh
Tbh I love sub and law
I just wish rogue didnt have to spend energy for dr
Dosent really natter for sub since you go infinite in dance and nothing outside of dance actually matters
knotty charm
im struggling to see where ARms gets its single target damage done without funneling with 3+ targets.
mortal crag
im struggling to see where ARms gets its single target damage done without funne...
It doesn't
nova marsh
knotty charm
if you dont have 2 other targets to funnel off of, how does it deal single target damage?
nova marsh
knotty charm
so in keys? You just need your tank to always pull trash into boss?
mortal crag
Yes
knotty charm
woof
mortal crag
What key levels are you sending?
knotty charm
15s currently
mortal crag
Play slayer
knotty charm
even after tuesday?
mortal crag
It is absolutely omega pointless to try and make 15s harder than they should be
You can probs send Colo after tuesdah
You'll do slightly more st
So it might offset it
knotty charm
slayer feels omega shit honestly
nova marsh
Honestly gg go fury
mortal crag
Well it's dependanr on some factors
knotty charm
the new executioner stacks feel pointless
nova marsh
For st
mortal crag
U can send Colo
mortal crag
Honestly gg go fury
As strong as fury is in st
The issue is that if u lose uptime as fury
It plummets
nova marsh
Welcome to 99% of melee
mortal crag
The entire fury toolkit is based on it and they made it even worse in midnight
mortal crag
Its as bad as outlaw loss of uptime is
That's what I'm saying, I'm pretty sure it's worse now
mortal crag
After maining fury for several years it does to me
knotty charm
Fury feels good, but slayer is completely awful to play for both specs
now that execute is so shit for warriors
the reap spam from last season was more fun than this garbage rework to slayer
mortal crag
Idk I enjoy arms slayer rn
minor gust
slayer owns and feels good to play
latent moss
But yeah we started noticing he eats my funnel
ye thats kinda the problem with arms and assa
minor gust
we finally get a season where both slayer and colo are good and the people freak out what to play
latent moss
i mean "problem"
minor gust
latent moss
its a good thing on packs and a bad thing on bosses
knotty charm
pressing sudden death should always give you bs CDR, now its based on fading stacks of executioner. its just not as satisfying and harder to maintain any meaningful level of executioner stacks
let alone that each stack is only 3% extra crit chance and damage
minor gust
but SD does always give CDR xD
knotty charm
executioner stack is dogshit compared to juggernaut an slayers mark stacks from last iteration of slayer
mortal crag
Huh
minor gust
how do you think you get those stacks bruh
latent moss
do not talk positively about juggernaut
knotty charm
it says u get 5 sec cdr per stack of executioner
mortal crag
it says u get 5 sec cdr per stack of executioner
There's a baseline..
knotty charm
so if u have 1 stack of executioner
mortal crag
U get 5s
knotty charm
and u SD, u get 10 sec CDR?
minor gust
this convo is stupid I kinda dont wanna
minor gust
but you get exe stacks from pressing SD
minor gust
id prefer jugg over this BS cdr bullshit
knotty charm
but you get exe stacks from pressing SD
i dont see this as true anywhere. that was a tierset bonus in s3 tww
u dont doing a slayers strike when u SD
according to the tooltips
therefore it doesnt give u a stack of executioner
therefore no CDr if 0 executioner stacks when SD
stable fiber
hes right btw
minor gust
holy shit
mortal crag
I've never SDef and not had cd reduced
minor gust
im the dumbest man alive
stable fiber
he is right
minor gust
mortal crag
SD doesnt always reduce BS cdr
Oh yeah well explain the fact I always get SD reduced
stable fiber
you dont
stable fiber
its more common if you use SD procs b2b
crude sonnet
What is the best slayer build for m+? I might try it.
stable fiber
the first one will consume all the stacks then the 2nd one has no stacks
raw SD procs with no slayer strike procs can also happen
knotty charm
the first one will consume all the stacks then the 2nd one has no stacks
this is part of my issue with slayer
stable fiber
those are very rare though
mortal crag
I've had it where I sent two execs and only got one mortal strike buff
Is that a bug or?
knotty charm
u used to get CD regardless of execute spam cus tierset would both consume and apply 1 stack of slyaers mark
stable fiber
which is also why BS cdr is very inconsistent
minor gust
This is what my brain gets for not tracking Executioner stacks I defaulted to SD = stacks
minor gust
I've had it where I sent two execs and only got one mortal strike buff
parried
minor gust
u used to get CD regardless of execute spam cus tierset would both consume and a...
really best change for slayer for this would be delete the cdr from hero tree and add BS back to AM
stable fiber
they did the executioner rework and it kinda ruined BS cdr
along with it proccing less
knotty charm
really best change for slayer for this would be delete the cdr from hero tree an...
atleast then itd feel more consistent
then they could move power back into execute
minor gust
yeah
latent moss
remove bs from slayer
stable fiber
10 ticks of bladestorm is stupid anyways
it cant be too crazy tho or else it would be broken in pvp
stable fiber
this is all im tracking in the cdm
the CS is apex4
you can add like dstance/bstance also
mortal crag
Bro how do u track so little
latent moss
why do u track executioner stacks
stable fiber
why do u track executioner stacks
know how much BS cdr i get
nova marsh
I just use name plates for rend
nova marsh
I need to delete my SD tracker
stable fiber
minmax SD till the last second for BS cdr
could be important on a boss like nexus king
nova marsh
Because I realized I can't make it show depending on hero tree
latent moss
should i send sd on cd kha
nova marsh
which is really annoying
latent moss
like in general
stable fiber
depends on boss
but in general yeah i do
on mythic l'ura for example i hold SD for crystals
so reap can proc guranteed
lucid dagger
sd?
latent moss
y
stable fiber
sudden death
latent moss
sudden death
stable fiber
also im going to start holding it to the last second on nexus king to minmax BS cdr
lucid dagger
thats the execute proc right?
stable fiber
cause u can go dry with SD procs and have 2 stacks of executioner just holding it and it feels bad
minor gust
so reap can proc guranteed
yeah I will always bank SD procs for aoe moments
stable fiber
thats the execute proc right?
yes
lucid dagger
and if i recall on slayer they boost blade storm damage\
stable fiber
yup
lucid dagger
got it
stable fiber
adds 1 tick to BS which in turn can let you cast more mortal strikes
a unbuffed bladestorm is 7 ticks, and 3 mortal strikes.
fully buffed bs is 10 ticks and 5 mortal strikes
lucid dagger
and it stacks to 3 and changes icon?
stable fiber
it makes the BS icon glow
mortal crag
I'll add the SD to tracking
stable fiber
doesnt change it
stable fiber
i dont think you really need to add SD on most bosses, its like a minmax thing that might not even matter much
mortal crag
i dont think you really need to add SD on most bosses, its like a minmax thing t...
Ok I wanna minmax
stable fiber
my mindset usually is like less thinking = more dps
but when i feel comfortable ill add more
minor gust
im adding exe stacks to tracked I wanna know my BS CDR amount
still cant believe my dumbass had those stacks confused
with SD casts
stable fiber
i know why the reworked it
sweet arrow
are the upcoming arms changes a nerf?
stable fiber
but it sure could have been better
stable fiber
are the upcoming arms changes a nerf?
no
its a buff in some things and a nerf in some things
colo arms is getting a very tiny nerf in high aoe scenarios but a massive st buff (in m+ talents)
sweet arrow
it reads like a nerf? no more deep wounds from cleave and no reap the storm from mortal strike? yikes
stable fiber
u could also try reading the good things
slayer did get hit harder on aoe yeah
but it will make arms better in m+
colossus barely gets nerfed at high counts, slayer will feel it a bit at high counts though
lucid dagger
how massive is st buff for colossus
latent moss
7-8%
stable fiber
rogues are feeling it
lucid dagger
and how big is the nerf?
plain violet
Are the Beta sims reliable for the spec? I just ran 5 min sims on 1, 2, 3 and 5 targets for colossus M+ build (the one available on wowhead) and compared between live and beta sims. The differences are +1,2% on ST, +2,2% on 2 targets, -2,1% on 3 targets and -4,3% on 5 targets.
minor gust
if by beta you mean Mimiron sims then yes
stable fiber
and how big is the nerf?
colossus is like -2% or smth above 6 targets which is pretty much noting
slayer you lose a bit more per target added and pretty much noting on lower counts
lucid dagger
colossus is like -2% or smth above 6 targets which is pretty much noting
slayer ...
so it would be overall buff? basically brought both specs to even ground
stable fiber
overall buff yeah
plain violet
it is mimiron
lucid dagger
imagine i pick class and it gets buffed. last 2 god nerfect and went back to ele shaman
plain violet
So where are people getting these 7-9% st and 2 targets estimates from? is there are sheet with standard sims somewhere or are these just made up?
stable fiber
bro got nerfed and went to a spec hated by people that love it last exansion
stable fiber
So where are people getting these 7-9% st and 2 targets estimates from? is there...
currently its in the context of m+ talents because thats more relevant
lucid dagger
bro got nerfed and went to a spec hated by people that love it last exansion
i am ele shaman main XD
nova marsh
But I don't hate midnight arms. There's a LOT of work I want done
lucid dagger
anytime i want to play smth else it becomes unplayable
nova marsh
am I an outliar for this
plain violet
currently its in the context of m+ talents because thats more relevant
that is what i simmed
lucid dagger
but spec has much less bad windows
stable fiber
i also simmed colossus earlier and it went up quite a bit
plain violet
ahh i must have messed something up then
latent moss
idk ptr sims are weird
tawdry violet
completely not using cleave on st sims the same for my gear and is one less button 
what am i missing
lucid dagger
then it got turned into some bullshit
i hated it at first but once you realise that spec only looks less complex and that you dont gamble to play /or have to actually stop for like 20 secounds to not proc ascendance
latent moss
hes not wrong it is simming differently then when i last tested it
just wait for it to come out
stable fiber
ye
lucid dagger
fells like overall much better for m+ for raid i want my grandmas back
minor gust
hes not wrong it is simming differently then when i last tested it
Fishy has been still playing with the APL so prob some changes
latent moss
simc can break stuff
latent moss
was it prot pala xd
nova marsh
Brew
nova marsh
Neither do I
They literally melted in 5 seconds into a straight death spiral for like a good minute and a half
Before I just said no and vote abandoned
lucid dagger
Like 70% of brewmasters are bad
nova marsh
Yeah at least it wasn't my key
lucid dagger
And just dis
lucid dagger
Because its very specific and hard spec
nova marsh
They're invincible if the person piloting has braincells
lucid dagger
And people look and toerlist and play it likr any other spec
Same as monk/disc priest healers
They are unique and not as easy to play bcs of meta
nova marsh
Tbh
I stg brew masters are the equivlant of hunters for tanks
Evreytime I see garbage dps it's a hunter
evreytime a tank dies in the blink of an eye it's prot pally or brew
rare kite
I stg brew masters are the equivlant of hunters for tanks
i think that's bdks
nova marsh
man
I've had better luck with BDKs
even if their damage can fuck right off with their 150k aoe pulls
lucid dagger
Its because hunters and easiest class in the game and its becauses brew master is weirdest tank in the game
nova marsh
yeah I don't think I trust either of them nowadays
lucid dagger
Every new player gwts pushed into hunter thinking its EASY but its just EASIER
You still need some effort
And brewmaster is spec that is that specific that it goes from worst to best tank depending on skill
Good brewmaster is almost always best tank if played correctly
nova marsh
Yeah but
The gamba on what type of brew you get isnt fun
This guy
Died
Before I could even rend
REND
lucid dagger
Thats why i leave/dont invite brewmastwes outside of 2 from guild and few from friend list
I my self suck really hard on brewmaster
nova marsh
Yeah oof
lucid dagger
I also struggle with prot warr but i will give it a try as an alt/off spec
I am usually dps slave but i wanted an tank where i could swap to dps. Arms and prot share stats so no gear changes outside of weapon
lucid dagger
I want to get imvited into dungeons. Im sick of sitting in silvermoon
Just to end up with dumb tank
So i will be dumb tank for a bit and see how it goes
azure current
Oh I feel that I am sick of it as well and I Feel like its tougher as arms than Furry
Fury
lucid dagger
Enha, survival, affli, arms, firehave sane issue
stable fiber
aff is so gross
lucid dagger
Community looks at them certant way
stable fiber
that spec is under the radar
lucid dagger
Aff is my fav spec and i dont play it untill they fix UA or/and talent tree
latent moss
i think its 28
its a short dungeon
186k in skyreach
i guess bro
gotta analyze monkseas routes
lucid dagger
Damn
latent moss
ye they funnel on all but 3rd
thing is u gain a fuck ton of time as well
when u pull on boss for funnel
@stable fiber arms just has like
the best profile
best funnel profile
cause there are funnel specs that deal 0 aoe while funneling
so they have to choose between aoe and funnel
arms just does aoe
lucid dagger
Thats shaman
lucid dagger
If you funnel you only cl>eb
vast helm
Outlaw will rise
vast helm
ya but new talent for outlaw is pretty good
ashen trout
in ST do you guys send MS on CD or prio getting 2 stacks of exe precision? for slayer ofc
onyx rapids
Good morning all
quick question regarding 12.0.5 patch
as demolish CDR has changed to 5 seconds, i assume during AOE Demolish and Colossus smash CD is goind to desync.
nova marsh
Good morning all
quick question regarding 12.0.5 patch
as demolish CDR has chang...
Just send demolish
onyx rapids
should i use Demolish without Colossus smash is such case?
onyx rapids
Just send demolish
wow thanks for the quick response!
nova marsh
ye
We're essentially gonna shotgun it
Demo's CD is so short in aoe you are very likely to end up with it in cs
nova marsh
yes
maybe a bit worse for slayer but slayer gains more ST
Colo just gains way more damage then 1 cleave cast is worth
nova marsh
play both
earnest imp
Doing 16s so colo st is just too sadge at times
nova marsh
Play slayer when you can't get a tank to funnel into bosses for most of a key
like spire or reach
earnest imp
Yeah pugs tanks hey, when you got a good one its soo good
inner wasp
is there anything to lose by just defaulting to rend on aoe as filler
blizz plates dont let me nicely see whos about to have rend fall off
nova marsh
blizz plates dont let me nicely see whos about to have rend fall off
use platy
Genuinely please use platy the plates are so bad bnaseline
spring vale
platynator the goat
inner wasp
i dont wanna set up a profile id rather starve
nova marsh
whelp
spring vale
luxthos has a pretty serviceable one shrug
proven veldt
not being able to filter debuffs is still pretty awful
nova marsh
I can't convince you
inner wasp
not being able to filter debuffs is still pretty awful
i thought platy couldnt do that either
proven veldt
oh, it cannot
inner wasp
well what diff does it make then 😭
proven veldt
still much more customizable
nova marsh
It glows
proven veldt
there's no reason not to
it is all upside and zero downside
it also doesn't take that long to set it up
inner wasp
fiiine ill do it
you said use luxthos' profile? idk who makes good ones anymore now that quazii died
proven veldt
I am struggling to get platynator to allow me to show allied names (not nameplates) above their heads
wind hatch
jundies profile the goat
inner wasp
how come in the colo m+ build we dont do typical execute prio in single target
whats missing that makes us switch it up so hard
oh, deep wounds
dire hinge
how come in the colo m+ build we dont do typical execute prio in single target
you'll run out of rage rapidly on Colossus
also you dont take Improved Execute most of the time, so you need to kill time for Execute to come back off CD
inner wasp
you'll run out of rage rapidly on Colossus
so i just prio sudden death procs, and then do tank dmg otherwise
inner wasp
also you dont take Improved Execute most of the time, so you need to kill time f...
i forgot improved execute was a thing, no wonder i couldnt rapid fire my sudden death procs on target dummies
dire hinge
you still cast execute, but Execute only does damage if you stack it up with talents, which Colossus just doesn't really focus
with Colossus in general, expect to do low ST damage, but tremendous AoE and Funnel
inner wasp
you still cast execute, but Execute only does damage if you stack it up with ta...
wowhead page says execute as filler only if deep wounds talented, which i dont have
dire hinge
for Colossus ST you cast Execute as filler if MS, Overpower, and Cleave are unavailable basically
during execute your Cleave and Execute flipflop.
So above 35% Cleave>Execute
Below 35% Execute>Cleave
there's some nuance with rage amount and buffs and stuff, but it's not a huge difference tbh, mostly just rage management
stable fiber
ok i understand how slayer strikes works now @minor gust
its even worse then i originally thought
LMAO
minor gust
minor gust
I wish I understood slayer strikes
snow flame
What don’t you understand about em
minor gust
just joking about the fact I mistakenly in full confidence thought executioner stacks came from SD and not SS
dont do drugs kids
stable fiber
<:keks:936231610850897992>
so slayer strikes procs executioner, which is a rolling buff that stacks up to 3 (old stacks get removed think of how gaze works), then you get cdr per stack of executioner and it doesnt consume them
minor gust
yeah
stable fiber
which means there is a high chance of me having sent a lot of sd's with 1-2 executioner stacks which feels cringe
dire hinge
fellas dont you hate when the fury warrior joins and doesn't equip their heart of the wind
minor gust
which means there is a high chance of me having sent a lot of sd's with 1-2 exec...
yeah could be a thing to hold 1 SD to wait for more stacks or where you prio SD over other better buttons if you are at like 3 stacks
stable fiber
i just checked the r1 first boss voidspire arms log on heroic
he is 50k higher then r2 cause he is solo killing the ads
lmfao
solid hemlock
question: with demolsih. Do i only use during smash? do i send on cd?
dire hinge
question: with demolsih. Do i only use during smash? do i send on cd?
for Arms in general: only use a major cooldown if you have Smash applied
nova marsh
question: with demolsih. Do i only use during smash? do i send on cd?
On tuseday send it on CD
solid hemlock
On tuseday send it on CD
why on tuesday?
dire hinge
on tuesday we basically get its cooldown halved
nova marsh
why on tuesday?
next patch increases the CDR of dominace from 2 to 5 seconds
well in aoe
solid hemlock
next patch increases the CDR of dominace from 2 to 5 seconds
got it thanks
nova marsh
In ST it should align better with CS
solid hemlock
oh forgot also..do i send demoish with smash on might at 5 stacks or just send it?
solid hemlock
👍
nova marsh
Ideally 5+ stacks
Good luck in L'ura baze
magic canopy
that pc pull NOOOOOO
magic canopy
it was lik 0.4 maaaan
snow flame
Good luck in L'ura baze
We are locked in
stable sapphire
so sad bro lmao
stable fiber
yeah i watched lmao
stable sapphire
true
runic rock
seems like arms is heavily reliant on crit huh
like my damage was awful until i started stacking crit
even though my ilvl hadnt changed
runic rock
seems like rage generation is better with higher crit too
runic rock
rip
magic canopy
we somehow one pulled paladins on reclear and i fucking owned myself desyncing CS
tragic
nova marsh
Id cry
minor gust
gg we killed it on a bad pull
I didnt get a good 2nd pot
and we pulled ret pally away to delay killing
shoulda been a rank 11 99 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
sudden owl
that's tough
plain solstice
gg
minor gust
Gz Wes
wind hatch
huuge
runic rock
Is arms or fury more practical for mythic crown?
stable sapphire
WES YIPPIEEE
ty
minor gust
@reef glade did you stream your Alleria kill this week on arms?
minor gust
🫡
quiet bramble
do i have to re do my fury gear to play arms? 
reef glade
its not 'thaat' much gear...
reef glade
yea pmuch
recrafting crafted gear prolly also helps
like 80% of the necessary 'gear swap' those 2 things
gentle gyro
Is there any information how much dps increase we get from 4set bonus?
Multitarget
I understand that it is RNG and stuff
nova marsh
Is there any information how much dps increase we get from 4set bonus?
Theres a spreadsheet with it for evrey spec but I dont have it
Lemme doubble check
pastel moss
is there a particular reason why arms blasted ahead of fury out of nowhere in m+?
blissful tinsel
Is there a consolidated spot for warrior M+ tech?
minor gust
no
magic canopy
most people started fury early becuase of raid
but arms buffs put it ahead in everything
blissful tinsel
but arms buffs put it ahead in everything
a shame it's super mid in raid
reef glade
Compared to every other spec yea def but it kinda clears fury now
next week even more so
crude rapids
but arms buffs put it ahead in everything
So now the question isn't fury or arms its colo or slayer 😅
magic canopy
tbh with the changed idk how colo looks on 2 target
but slayer for all important ST bosse still
colo for paladins. maybe dragons
slayer or colo is good for keys as well
crude rapids
Yeah kinda good that arms is just the go
Was thinking fuck do I recraft and cata boots etc
Will definitely be doing it tonight
slow saddle
but slayer for all important ST bosse still
Is it though?
Also which boss is?
Pure st
magic canopy
basically everything but dragons/paladins
slow saddle
I mean
proven veldt
adds on every other fight are just not very important
magic canopy
yeah you just send it
slow saddle
Which increases st?
nova marsh
adds on every other fight are just not very important
Theyre just pad
proven veldt
but adds are also pretty sporadic on most other fights
nova marsh
Disgusting pad tier
slow saddle
but adds are also pretty sporadic on most other fights
Not rly
1st 2nd
3rd
4 5
And bench anyways
proven veldt
what about them?
slow saddle
All have adds u can use to get more demos on boss
proven veldt
vorasisus spawns adds twice throughout the fight and they die in < 10 seconds
slow saddle
Nah
Also with broad strokes thats 3ms with a reset onto both targets at 100% dmg and 2 x demo reset
Id say collosus has the potential to be rly great
Also in mythic these adds have to die.
median urchin
Hello boys, new at arms. With the release of 12.0.5 in M+ what hero talents will we play? Colo or slayer?
steep tree
tried to solo nulleus and got to the first ads
slow saddle
And then what?
slow saddle
Hello boys, new at arms. With the release of 12.0.5 in M+ what hero talents will...
Id say 100% colo
If u have skyfury
Gap in st reduced, gap in aoe widened adv col
sharp flame
probably this
pulsar frost
good old arms channel
slow saddle
I did it as thane ilvl bout 255, just made sure 2 have cds for adds
And drums rdy for the phase he does increases stackin dmg
smoky kayak
probably this
don't be weird
hybrid needle
tried to solo nulleus and got to the first ads
Keep burst for those ads, when u got 3+ poison stacks make sure to shockwave when they cast so it falls off.
You can also spell reflect one
Nvm the poison is from second ads. Still, keep CDs. Nulleus isnt a dps race until 25%
vapid sable
we are getting overall buffed or nerfed in keys after tomorrow?
minor gust
buffed
warm fog
If u have skyfury
I did 2x keys tonight as colossus without shaman and would not recommend
steep tree
Keep burst for those ads, when u got 3+ poison stacks make sure to shockwave whe...
ohhhh yah thankies
slow saddle
I did 2x keys tonight as colossus without shaman and would not recommend
haha yes i did that one time, i mean even as slayer it feels just terrible
imagine Rage starved spec gettin 20% more rage feels good
yeah i wonder why
lunar idol
What would be the perfect team comp for keys for you guys ?
hybrid needle
I really like brew, rsham/rdruid, marksman, feral/sub
still fox
short question: what is the good thing for prio-dmg (funnel dmg) colo? 3 target for the cleave/HS proc?
thick kelp
yes
swift flame
short question: what is the good thing for prio-dmg (funnel dmg) colo? 3 target...
3 targets is the perfect number for reducing demolish cd as well
north forge
is POS the play for bonus rolls next week to try and get the ring / neck?
pulsar frost
is POS the play for bonus rolls next week to try and get the ring / neck?
Depends if you mythic raid i feel. Can always roll for gaze or/and heart
north forge
got gaze and likely to get heart tbh, still geared fury at the moment but swap looks inevitable. Probably a good use of rolls to assist in the re gear
toxic oak
How is slayer vs col arms looking after next reset? isn't reap getting nerfed?
in m+ mainly
autumn nexus
Reap got murdered
dim basalt
Except that it didnt
autumn nexus
"ok"
pulsar frost
got gaze and likely to get heart tbh, still geared fury at the moment but swap l...
Then you got your answer. I plan to roll for mythic gaze. Im hoping heart in vault then im full sending keys
Im torn between myth gearing between arms and fury
Already have a myth void from nexus
autumn nexus
I'd say whichever you prefer playing
thick kelp
Gear arms, its better
still fox
3 targets is the perfect number for reducing demolish cd as well
ah right 🙂
autumn nexus
Then gear for both and start with items both can use
pulsar frost
Im working on it. Gloves from spire refused to drop
Since I feel like the void gloves isn't really thst good on arms
autumn nexus
I don't think it's that good on anything
pulsar frost
Fury its not too bad since auto attack but eh
void parcel
with changes coming this reset do u still wait on colossus smash to pop demo each time or u send it on cd?
pulsar frost
Probably wait for smash. Not like smash takes thst much longer then demo
north forge
Im torn between myth gearing between arms and fury
me too at the moment but i think just pure performance wise i need to swap arms now.
pulsar frost
Depends on goal. I dont really like arms raiding besides vanguard. Col arms is technically more overall then fury but eh
minor gust
with changes coming this reset do u still wait on colossus smash to pop demo eac...
you will send on cd
void parcel
ty
minor gust
ST you will hold for CS tho aoe send on CD to be more specific
short vessel
Hi there, am i blind or it is impossible to track Ravager in native cooldown manager ? i mean there is no buff for that xD
minor gust
if you dont see something in the CDM that should be there click on the profile menu in the bottom left corner and change it to something else and back to the original. Known bug
short vessel
thx, will check it
dim basalt
My heroic gaze is a 0.3% upgrade over my crucible lol
0.3% is not even that bad considering its only a heroic gaze
@nova marsh last night did at least have one happy end after the depressing MC and MT failures
Randomly timed a +18 AA
With 2 minutes left lmfao
Attempted +19 MC after and holy the mammoths hurt
dim basalt
Think going col is fine
minor gust
flip a coin
dim basalt
ye
minor gust
its that easy
thick kelp
Should b easy to get funnel onto 1st boss
Colo absolutely owns slayer on 2nd boss
does very well into 3rd boss and lura amp
dim basalt
What key level are you playing?
dim basalt
decent chance the tank will pull funnel
But lets be real the dh will burst them down
lmao
neon shale
Xactly
dim basalt
Need more funnel like the skeleton warriors in MC
minor gust
but either way until 12.05 it really really doesnt matter what you play in a 17 seat xD
craggy anvil
When i crafted a weapon and get another is upgrading to 5/6 free or do i have to use all the crests?
minor gust
you will have no problem timing on either spec
minor gust
was that a first pull wipe
dim basalt
classic
neon shale
Classic
dim basalt
We need the classic emote on this server
little trellis
this is the aoe priority, where does heroic strike fit in here?
neon shale
this is the aoe priority, where does heroic strike fit in here?
Cleave uses heroic strike automatically
dim basalt
this is the aoe priority, where does heroic strike fit in here?
HS is consumed by FoB
little trellis
oh
neon shale
Where good guild
dim basalt
Maybe there should also be a blue question mark next to cleave explaining it consumes HS
minor gust
dim basalt
With how often the question comes up
minor gust
Maybe there should also be a blue question mark next to cleave explaining it con...
@smoky kayak
it really is like the number one thing asked in here it feels like
smoky kayak
maybe people should read their talents
thick kelp
Thats too much to ask for...
dim basalt
minor gust
thick kelp
These people barely read half of the rotation page on wowhead before coming here to ask questions
light reef
xD
minor gust
I cant say shit its been so long since ive read the slayer talents I forgor how we got executioner stacks and my brain just assumed we got em from SD casts
indigo grove
cant find any sim % buff/nerf on 12.0.5 anyone found it?
elfin kindle
So what two trinks are bis for m+ ? Gaze/heart/puzzlebox/plume?
minor gust
any combo of those 4
tacit crystal
plume gaze heart box skyreach guidon
slow saddle
yup
vapid pine
Are there any cooks for rotational changes on next patch yet?
minor gust
im sure the wowhead guide will be updated for the rotational changes tomorrow
not really much anyways
slow saddle
aoe for slayer
plucky fiber
my guess is only 3 cleave after CS
fresh spire
Bladestorm >cleave sd for aoe
Op>Ms for slayer are
Cleave value down on St for colossus
minor gust
colo still liking slam over non SD execute yeah?
tacit crystal
even if at 2 ep
minor gust
no reason to rush the SD if u aint at 2 stacks and already max ID stacks
rigid flicker
In the ST rotation sudden death execute is above heroic strike in prio. Should you not prio Heroic strike if you have only one stack of sudden death?
minor gust
yes prio HS first in that situation
rose ibex
I just got guidon from raid. What's a good cooldown to pair with with?
I figured it would be kinda awkward for slayer
minor gust
macro into ravager and forget about it
minor gust
no reason to use guidon for slayer its not good
whole reason it has value with colo is because colo has a standard 1:30 cd to pair it with everytime
rose ibex
Bah
elfin kindle
So what two trinks are bis for m+ ? Gaze/heart/puzzlebox/plume?
Okay but like which, so i know what to use my rolls on - if theres a max sim (im 3800rio kind of matters xd)
rose ibex
I guess ill have to use champ crucible and heart then
Its wild to me that crucible is better than heart
weak wave
Bladestorm >cleave sd for aoe
Op>Ms for slayer are
Cleave value down on St for c...
Depends on number of targets doesn't it? A buffed MS does way more dmg than OP
minor gust
Okay but like which, so i know what to use my rolls on - if theres a max sim (im...
The 3 passives are very close to each other and pbox has its use if you want the burst and you are fine dealing with using it. All 4 will do well.
sand summit
Hey guys! Quick question.
Do we always use execute, at minimum 40rage?
vapid pine
Hey guys! Quick question.
Do we always use execute, at minimum 40rage?
Nope, there's execute priority here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
little trellis
I guess ill have to use champ crucible and heart then
wait what trinket is crucible again?
vapid pine
wait what trinket is crucible again?
Overstatted as hell and gives crit proc so very good for us
sand summit
Nope, there's execute priority here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warri...
Yeah, i already looked into that thanks.
But my question was basicly, if it worth to execute below 40rage, if i cant cast anything else on the priority list.
vapid pine
Yeah, i already looked into that thanks.
But my question was basicly, if it wor...
I would probably go for a chargeweave and wrecking throw over a sub-40 execute
But if you press your Overpower's properly you rarely get put in that situation I've found
fathom sparrow
Heyhey, just wanted to ask u guys if its worth playing arms in keys on +16? I've noticed my ST dmg is really weak compared to fury and im just wondering if its even worth it ?
sand summit
I would probably go for a chargeweave and wrecking throw over a sub-40 execute
So not worth it i guess? 😄
Thanks for respond.
vapid pine
Heyhey, just wanted to ask u guys if its worth playing arms in keys on +16? I've...
Both fury and arms are good enough to do 20's, mostly depends on your comp and the dungeon than anything else 🙂
vapid pine
So not worth it i guess? 😄
Thanks for respond.
If you can't chargeweave it's still a better buttonpress than being afk afaik
Colo Arms gets a solid buff on Wednesday too, so don't fret it too much 😄
fathom sparrow
Both fury and arms are good enough to do 20's, mostly depends on your comp and t...
yeahh i swapped to arms yday when i noticed all the warriors are playing it on high keys but my overall is about the same as fury while my ST is much weaker
sand summit
Colo Arms gets a solid buff on Wednesday too, so don't fret it too much 😄
Alright thanks, again... Just returned, and was curious about executes rules in general. Have a good day mate.
gentle gyro
Is slayer even worth it atp?
vapid pine
yeahh i swapped to arms yday when i noticed all the warriors are playing it on h...
Arms, especially colo, is more dependent on your tank pulling properly and not fighting ST for too long. We probably have the best 3t funnel in the game, so people who play arms on high keys tend to pull trash onto bosses to help with funnel damage
fathom sparrow
alrightt so for pushing with pugs where all the tanks just full ST bosses I should stick to fury
minor gust
Yeah, i already looked into that thanks.
But my question was basicly, if it wor...
You follow the priority it doesn't matter if execute is being used with 20 rage or 40
vapid pine
I think it mostly depends on your own preference than anything. If you like fury more and can play it better it's good enough for 19's/20's at the moment
fathom sparrow
alright, ty for the info
sand summit
You follow the priority it doesn't matter if execute is being used with 20 rage ...
Alright thanks.
covert birch
I sure am gonna miss that extra cleave after colossus smash though 
gentle gyro
?
north forge
rend applied on cleave when?
covert birch
True
fresh spire
Now that deep wound has been removed from cleave maybe there is an argument to be made that rend is applied simular to fury
slow saddle
i love all of em
gentle gyro
Sending 1 extra demo that hits like a wet noodle is not really my jam
And still, only cleave does damage, nothing else
slow saddle
it does not hit like a wet noodle at all
gentle gyro
I guess we are not playing the same game
fresh spire
You are forgetting that demo also gives 10% damage amp and haste buff after usage too
gentle gyro
My apologies
fresh spire
Also deep wounds and 100% ms crit for bleed debuff
Adds up to a few more factors than just the damage. If you get good crit rng you can fit a demolish into the end of a Cs on 2 target
It's pretty nuts
leaden garnet
I wonder if we prioritise MS in AoE, could we actually get two Demo casts in a single CS?
fresh spire
Not worth. Cleave is still way too powerful
There may be a world where at 3 target ms may over take. Not looked that deep. But 5t+ cleave just destroys still
slow saddle
I wonder if we prioritise MS in AoE, could we actually get two Demo casts in a s...
m8
so
do u know that cleave also prolongs cs
so theres no prio ms
like cs still problems 😄
so cleave > ms > op
leaden garnet
:)
Cleave grants one stack of might, MS grants 2-4
And they both extend CS by 1s
leaden garnet
Hence prioritising MS to get a second Demo cast in your CS window
bright grove
MS gives more CDR is what hes saying....
latent moss
ms is basically always on cd
leaden garnet
If it's even possible
thick kelp
how about you press both
leaden garnet
I feel like you should be giving people the benefit of the doubt that, yes, they know to press MS (and Cleave in AoE) on CD
That should go without saying
slow saddle
MS gives more CDR is what hes saying....
Yes but cleave has a 4 second cd
so like pressin ms before just makes u get less cleaves
glossy sky
to guys, on mythic drakes, and paladins, why do the Sweeping strikes start at 15 secs? is it because you precast it? before the pull or?
dim basalt
to guys, on mythic drakes, and paladins, why do the Sweeping strikes start at 15...
Broad Strokes
glossy sky
whats that?
dim basalt
Talent
chilly wind
will collosus be significantly better than slayer in keys with 0.5?
bright grove
so like pressin ms before just makes u get less cleaves
and pressing cleave before MS (if both are off cd) gets you less MS.... what are you saying lol
bright grove
no1 is debating that. he was just theoreizing about getting another demolish in there
slow saddle
yeah but that is a different thing
as
again
Cleave keeps CS up
so then they argument for sending ms is null and void
as u loose more cs on aoe mobs
bright grove
urhg, i cant...
slow saddle
this
dim basalt
And if you do MS over Cleave from the start you lose at least one full cleave cast
slow saddle
in rav window
bright grove
MS gives potentially UP TO 4 TIMES MORE CDR, how do you not get that. More MS = quicker Demo, couple more sec on CS is less likely to allow 2nd demo than multiple more cdr on demo
dim basalt
With enough haste you might be able to have another demo cast in aoe cs already
We do get what youre saying
But it just doesnt make sense
slow saddle
as CS IS NEUTRAL
how can u not understand that
1 gcd spend Cleaving = no downside
like what downside is there ?
let me know
dim basalt
Youre just gambling for potential 4 stacks
slow saddle
nah but thats not even it, cs is extended by the cleave
there is no downside pressin it
latent moss
ms gives more cdr thats the point
slow saddle
and after cleave u ms
hard rock
so then they argument for sending ms is null and void
does this go for both slayer and colossus mate?
latent moss
but its not worth as cleave does infinite dmg
slow saddle
yes but then u are talkin about CDR vs loosing CS uptime to actually get in said demo
slow saddle
and seeing cs is 10 seconds
but if i choose to press cleave first
i have same benefit CDR wise
but dont loose a cleave in rav
dim basalt
Fishy is writing a new bible
fresh spire
Sending 3 cleaves =3 extentions to Cs on all targets where ms is just on 2.
Secondly it's rng if you even crit. Considering your banking on 2 crits when critical rate is around 40% is also more unlikely than likely.
Thirdly ravager damage amp is enough reason to also just hard prio cleave.
Longer you sit on crushing stacks the longer you delay getting additional cleaves from natural cool down which could potentially be another ravager cleave inside of cs with colat stacks
I did test how ms was vs cleaves at 5 target and it got utterly destroyed by cleave