I can only play early hrs before work, but thanks for the tip
#arms
gentle gyro
untold pewter
Right but people don't care about that if they still don't have lust and bress in the party
They'll check those boxes first
slow saddle
Just give dev lust
untold pewter
And maybe we get the leftover spot
kindred breach
it's wild warrior still can't lust lmao
slow saddle
I think issue is we reeeaaaly need shaman
kindred breach
could also be the only tank with lust, big
flat willow
I have a solution for the problem of not being able to play without a shaman in the group
untold pewter
Change NOTHING in tuning
Give warrior lust and you'll see how suddenly you're getting invited without absolutely any tuning changes
stoic oyster
they gave us "utility" which amounted to spear which is way down the tree and no one will pick, and a really good version of piercing howl which then they nerfed and its shit again
flat willow
what if we gave some random class a buff
and mages went oom randomly in every fight without that buff
slow saddle
Sometimes I refuse to play without skyfury
Collosus without skyfury is insane
flat willow
blizzard would fix that "small" problem in a week
slow saddle
Rename warriors banners
flat willow
and maybe think that it happening to arms isn't so good a design
slow saddle
We bring skyfury
stoic oyster
could also be the only tank with lust, big
that would be crazy
slow saddle
and maybe think that it happening to arms isn't so good a design
Arms funnel design is crazy
Good
untold pewter
I mean fury is super popular
They don't get invited either
It's not about popularity it's just warrior has no "utility" for pugs
slow saddle
Its arcaneesque
slow saddle
I mean fury is super popular
They don't get invited either
It's not about popul...
Tbh i think its more
Range meta in raid
dim basalt
I get pretty frequent invites as Arms
slow saddle
And seeps over into m+
placid atlas
Give us a bress. Yell the shit out of a corpse so that the corpse startled awake back
untold pewter
You can always use your key "as a last resort"
People can't "not invite" you if you're the lead
stoic oyster
question guys, i want to take stance mastery but need to lose a point somewhere, is it worth it? which one can i lose? this is my talents
untold pewter
Try without crushing force perhaps
Further ST loss for some more aoe
But then you get the huge defensive
If you need that
placid atlas
question guys, i want to take stance mastery but need to lose a point somewhere,...
You can drop throw silent talent
dim basalt
You can drop throw silent talent
no you cant
flat willow
that's what farover ran in 21 maisara caverns
dim basalt
Oh that way
untold pewter
Yeh that
dim basalt
nvm
dim basalt
javelineer is too good to drop imo
placid atlas
no you cant
You definitely can because I have been playing with stance mastery for a while
flat willow
don't think there's another way to take stance mastery without killing your damage
stoic oyster
is it tho? i dont really take throw talents right now
dim basalt
Its just a 2nd kick, pretty valuable
stoic oyster
thats true
flat willow
someone ask blizzard to swap javelineer and resonant voice
stoic oyster
so far i havent had the need for a ranged kick but maybe when i get to really high keys
someone ask blizzard to put spear somewhere in the top of the tree.. they give us utility no one can access
placid atlas
so far i havent had the need for a ranged kick but maybe when i get to really hi...
Actually when you get into higher key like 18-19 you need stance mastery more than range kick
stoic oyster
it's more about having to take this
yea bro LOL this helps classic warriors wtf am i supposed to do with this here?
i guess good if you take piercing howl/ fear but no one takes that rn
placid atlas
Stance mastery help shit tons if you are pulling your own weight, not just blindly dps. Especially to those who help healer with changing into defensive stance in certain mechanics
stoic oyster
im gonna make a shitty warrior talents tier list, we have a lot of those
kind stag
hushed cloud
speced in arms and it feelt so freaking bad, especially in st situations
olive nest
oh yeah stance mastery actually owns so hard
absolutely should practice using dstance
theres a macro for swapping between both stances on the same button
untold pewter
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;[known:386164]!Battle Stance;[known:386196]!Berserker Stance
HEY TY
hard juniper
Watching some streamers i see them hitting a dummy stacking up heroic might buff before keys, but theirs always stays up. When I do it, the buff goes away after the 10 second countdown. Anyone know the tech?
hard juniper
Not colossal to be clear. Heroic might. The one that buff up the next colossal smash bonus damage
bright pivot
is there a way to ignore bird on last bos skyreach?
like if i colossus smash
as the bird is coming?
stoic oyster
Watching some streamers i see them hitting a dummy stacking up heroic might buff...
that would be interesting.. i know there was a sweaty way of getting col stacks up in TWW before the timer as well but you needed to be out of combat to insert key
hard juniper
that would be interesting.. i know there was a sweaty way of getting col stacks ...
They (and i) meld last second so key can be entered
stoic oyster
aah nice.. well im a moo moo war so i cant 🙁
hard juniper
From what I see they wait to get to 4 or 5 stacks, get a heroic strike proc, then ask for the countdown. At like 2 seconds they heroic strike and meld. I do the same thing but my buff goes away when the 2nd countdown ends inside the key
gentle gyro
Idk I just hate stuff like this
Git Gud and all that stuff, I understand
But this is just plain stupid
stoic oyster
hey warriors have always done stupid things for that extra bit of damage
stand in fire dps higher
untold pewter
From what I see they wait to get to 4 or 5 stacks, get a heroic strike proc, the...
This actually sounds pathetic
stoic oyster
heroic strike should grant two stacks of master of warfare not one, it does take a while sometimes with bad RNG
vast helm
heroic strike should grant two stacks of master of warfare not one, it does take...
its just need to be trigger from any attacks
stoic oyster
hmm i hear u but then there wouldnt be a reason to prio heroic strike tho
and they really really want us pressing that button
latent moss
javelineer is too good to drop imo
stance mastery is even better
gentle gyro
It was very good for the affix no?
latent moss
i mean in low keys its overkill ye
in high keys there is no affix so
losing a ranged kick does suck tho
its cool asf
dense gale
arms have wrecking throw option as fury?, because in fury it works to do high dmg on shields and interrupt some cast, maybe it count to get the 2 stacks if interrupt some
latent moss
its in the class tree so yeah
dense gale
maybe you should test it with a normal mob caster using it to interrupt and see if you get the 2 stacks
latent moss
what stacks
dense gale
what stacks
heroic strike should grant two stacks of master of warfare, that say someone before
latent moss
i dont understand what does that have to do with wrecking throw
sturdy flicker
Much change for raid next week seems like a bit of a road buff maybe?
Slayer a bit better?
wintry scroll
Guys im starting to see people insta mark in keys
Is there some new addon for marking mobs ?
sturdy flicker
Focus macros
wintry scroll
Yea but it’s one person marking all casters
That’s what i witnessed
There is no way he’s that quick
opal jackal
what kind of percent buff are we looking at with colossus in 12.0.5
sturdy flicker
Normally there a pin giving us the slight buff nerf to raid mplus just don't see that right now
I'm curiosue the same if much is changing
ionic mica
what kind of percent buff are we looking at with colossus in 12.0.5
8 i think
was a spreadsheet screenshot someone posted last week
shy cairn
i gotta say, 8 percent of whatever col was doing is still not good
am i crazy for thinking that?
ionic mica
yep 🙂 (to the not doing good bit, not you being crazy)
shy cairn
i guess this season doesnt have any bosses that im really scared of, vexamus and crawth dont seem as bad as in dragonflight
ionic mica
the end of crawth is rough if its too long but apart from that the aa bosses are fine
shy cairn
whenever i try col on the dummy i do literal tank damage
guess i need to practice more
shy cairn
It was such an obvious design flaw to split aoe and st in talents even in dragonflight
It’s just an incredible dropping the ball that they haven’t fixed it for some classes
proven veldt
I think after last titan we're going to see another talent rethink/redesign
don't think the current iteration of class tree/spec tree/hero talents is working very well for most classes
thick kelp
It was such an obvious design flaw to split aoe and st in talents even in dragon...
its the warrior tax
you must lose something to gain anything
Happens with everything relatd to this class, buffs, changes, reworks
radiant patio
I assume this was asked a lot, but the changes to arms are purely a nerf? More to Slayer?
I guess Col warrior gets a bit more out of the patch with the demolish cdr, but Slayer gets cucked by reap the storm not procing from mortal strike
jade oyster
how big of a buff/nerf is slayer arms getting?
umbral sphinx
I guess Col warrior gets a bit more out of the patch with the demolish cdr, but ...
people are saying it's like a 5-7% buff to ST but I don't see it
kindred breach
the 5% nerf to practiced strikes is totally not needed, colo and slayer have shit st
hot current
yeah how can blizzard decide to nerf colo ms and slam, like our st is equal to a tank, and its getting nerfed??
vernal flame
i understand the colo hype now
nova marsh
But both hero trees got good ST buffs
hot current
its not, i agree, but shouldnt we get our st buffed as much a possible, not nerfing our normal rotation ms and slam by 5%
nova marsh
I can't complain when colo got actual ST and DW on slam
blizz has always been scared of MS being too strong
inner wasp
how big of a prio is recrafting my fury wep for arms
it's haste mastery instead of haste crit
nova marsh
Not really a prio
inner wasp
idk how bad im gimping myself
nova marsh
Not bad at all really 🤷♂️
inner wasp
word
nova marsh
Arms dosen't hate any stats, we aren't outlaw where our mastery is literally worthless
swift vapor
Hello, there is a tl;dr to when play colossus or slayer pls ? ❤️
inner wasp
Hello, there is a tl;dr to when play colossus or slayer pls ? ❤️
slayer in st colossus in aoe
inner wasp
should've played slayer
nova marsh
Ive bricked MT and MC +18 both on the end boss in the last 30% hp today
MT is so cursed man
radiant patio
Hello, there is a tl;dr to when play colossus or slayer pls ? ❤️
for keys, if you want more aoe go colossus, if you want more boss dmg go slayer, for me i prefer slayer because usually we brick keys at bosses not packs
dim basalt
should've played slayer
With Slayer I wouldnt average 200k+
inner wasp
wouldnt have thrown on the boss thou
nova marsh
Tbh terrace is a dungeon where
you actually might want more trash damage
because the trash is literally the worst part
nova marsh
bosses might take a while
nova marsh
But that dosen't matter if you're dying
Yeah
The other bosses are just an eternity. They all suck
ionic mica
Blow up all the runed spellbreakers and void miniboss guys instead
nova marsh
no clue
inner wasp
important
nova marsh
The spellbreakers suck
lucid dagger
Serious question. What race has best melee animations 🤣
inner wasp
Serious question. What race has best melee animations 🤣
i have strong opinions about this
it depends
latent moss
nelf
ionic mica
The spellbreakers suck
Worst mob of the season contender
nova marsh
those 2h are awful
inner wasp
if u want ur animations to be extra, then belf and panda are good
otherwise i like orc
nova marsh
Worst mob of the season contender
Contender?
No
Thjey just are
There is literally no worse mob
lucid dagger
Like... I might go female belf for riven transmog lol
latent moss
dread raven
inner wasp
female belf specifically i should've said yea
latent moss
in skyreach
inner wasp
Like... I might go female belf for riven transmog lol
wym riven
ionic mica
Thjey just are
I hadn't really thought it through I was eating a crumpet
They're the worst yeah
radiant patio
Serious question. What race has best melee animations 🤣
Female panda has a cool Cleave animation
latent moss
riven from hit moba league of legends
latent moss
i was riven otp
wind flicker
i was riven otp
Ew
lucid dagger
Like i play 3 champs hwei qiyana and riven 🤣
latent moss
just play exhaust
inner wasp
but he's my clunky
latent moss
i counterpick myself if they fp riven
i pick gwen with ign exh
and bone plating
free matchup
warm fog
nova marsh
I hadn't really thought it through I was eating a crumpet
Honestly I think theyre a real contender for worst trash in m+
And theres some damn good competition for it
ionic mica
yeah for sure
this season i cant think of many others
the dreadflail things in NXP are annoying but they dont just fuck your day up
nova marsh
Dreadflail you can kinda live through, at least on 12s and 13s
Least for a lil bit
Magisters made me regret making a rogue
If you run through cloak vanish and for me meld you just die
ionic mica
Dreadflail you can kinda live through, at least on 12s and 13s
yeah you just run or dont melee that one if its on someone else
just annoying
the spellbreakers being good against non casters feels unfair
why do they glaive me i have a sword
nova marsh
The spellbreakers honestly are the one mob I think needs a genuine nerf
dim basalt
I honestly think theyre fine
nova marsh
Ehhhh
ionic mica
how far is the bounce range?
nova marsh
I think when in higher keys a meld is basically mandatory thats kinda bad
ionic mica
maybe if they never bounce cos you position well
seemed pretty far in the last one i did
nova marsh
Maybe I just need to do more terrace on warr
ionic mica
it also depends if your tank is a terrorist and chains those pulls before the old spellbreakers die 🙂
nova marsh
it also depends if your tank is a terrorist and chains those pulls before the ol...
Omfg
I will kill those tanks
Espically into the doubble one at the end
ionic mica
exactly that 🙂
after boss there was a vote to abandon and only me and tank said no
had like 5s left
many many deaths for bad pulls, but it was a bear so no surprise they were a bit crazy
lucid dagger
i dont play melee would you guys reccomend arms? i for example hated assasination and sub rogue and outlaw was fine
nova marsh
i dont play melee would you guys reccomend arms? i for example hated assasinatio...
Assa is a dot spec and arms isnt so you might
lucid dagger
but i honestly struggle with melee
and onnly melee i ever succeeded as and enjoyed was enha
but my shaman is my elemental main
nova marsh
Off specs are a good option
Espically if you mainly like casters playing a class with a caster + melee is probably a good way to ease into it imo
drifting sparrow
Is gaze of the alnseer not that good for arms?? just did a sim and expected it to be much higher but even mythic is only a 0.3% dps increase....
nova marsh
Is gaze of the alnseer not that good for arms?? just did a sim and expected it t...
No its not that good
It was also nerfed
stoic siren
with the upcoming changes, they are saying arms st is going up, but isn't it down because you can't proc reap the storm with ST anymore? or is it beacuse of the bladestorm buff 20%
nova marsh
with the upcoming changes, they are saying arms st is going up, but isn't it dow...
Bladestorm + more deep wounds on st
stoic siren
ty
stoic siren
Practiced Strikes now increases Mortal Strike and Slam damage by 15% and Cleave and Whirlwind damage by 15%. Isn't this a nerf?
i think its 20%? in game
nova marsh
Yes but again overall buffs
brisk sedge
it is colossus tho
stoic siren
ohh true
nova marsh
And colo got cdr buffed to fuck and back that more that makes up for it
Srsly the cdr per stack more then doubled
radiant patio
Is there any way to turn off dmg numbers for specific spells?
I want to turn off rend and deep wounds so i can see better the chunky hits 🥰
nova marsh
For dots?
Not sure
It used to be possible with addons but im not sure if it got deleted
stoic siren
used to be with sct but pruned i think
radiant patio
Will do, ty!
brittle rock
guys i watched a guide and didnt understand when do i press the cleave in ST.
With the ravager instead of an OP? But wont that plummet the number of mortals in ST?
ionic mica
guys i watched a guide and didnt understand when do i press the cleave in ST.
Wi...
i think after next reset you wont press it in ST, slam will be over it because of the bleed change
maybe under 35% with mass execute and with ravager?
visual blaze
(Stupid arms question) on single target, do you 2x execute before mortal strike(execute phase)
visual blaze
Ty sir
green bay
what rings are better, the set from nexus or light + the one from pit
nova marsh
what rings are better, the set from nexus or light + the one from pit
Sim it
vale warren
if i get two ton hammer from PoS; should i swap to cape craft instead of sword?
nova marsh
if i get two ton hammer from PoS; should i swap to cape craft instead of sword?
Hero track?
nova marsh
For me it was worth it to go with arcanoweave over sword
With a good hero weapon (I got dawnsong thou)
Id sim to doubble check cuz results may vary
reef glade
Doubt hero weapon ever beats myth crafted weapon if u have one of those
stoic oyster
get the highest ilvl weapon you can its the most important piece of gear
near flax
On mythic dragons do i wanna demo on boss or is that not hitting orbs?
or do i not care and just wanna get my cleaves out
vague mortar
I switched to Arms Colossus from Fury and I have pretty good overall DPS, but my ST is really low, I guess that's normal ?
cursive sun
yes
stoic oyster
I switched to Arms Colossus from Fury and I have pretty good overall DPS, but my...
yes we are basically TWW ret paladin
vague mortar
Thank you
Is Rend worth using in ST tho? I thought I read that not really but I'm reading something different now
jovial hare
it is
unfortunately
wind hatch
guys i watched a guide and didnt understand when do i press the cleave in ST.
Wi...
you only prio cleave when ravager is active so it barely makes a difference
vernal pebble
I switched to Arms Colossus from Fury and I have pretty good overall DPS, but my...
was thinking the same.. like rlly hard to do 60k dps single..
slender sonnet
dragons mythic time
tacit crystal
@daring heron how are you keeping heroic might stacks into keys
minor gust
You hit a dummy
stuck yacht
slayer or col for hight pug key m+?
brittle rock
in ST if i have for example 15 seconds CD on demolish and CS is ready, should i send it?
or wait
what's the biggest time i can afford to lay off the CS?
afaik without the demolish CS and avatarra are useless
slow jetty
slayer or col for hight pug key m+?
right now it kinda depends on the key, but after the patch iirc it's colossus
brittle rock
i guess ST damage still gonna be a trash tier
wind hatch
in ST if i have for example 15 seconds CD on demolish and CS is ready, should i ...
send cs on cooldown always
dont hold it
brittle rock
ty
sharp goblet
wait does colosus not run 4/4 in apex at all times?
tacit crystal
You hit a dummy
but apprently it falls off
sharp goblet
oh no ok
sharp goblet
wait does colosus not run 4/4 in apex at all times?
my wowhead bugged
tacit crystal
at least for @hard juniper
minor gust
but apprently it falls off
It shouldn't when the key starts. But it's pretty hard to utilize on a lot of first pulls because it only lasts 30 sec.
I remember trying it when they first changed the apex and keys came out
tacit crystal
slender sonnet
Im feeling I mightaswell just go slayer
minor gust
Probably
Tho if you don't kill before 12.05 can go Colo 2T no cleave and just fuck the bosses
minor gust
Only demolish the add sets that you have gorefiends for
slender sonnet
yeah
I'll just send every other demo on bosses then ig
I dont like this boss atm
haughty meadow
is there any training dummies that can be acquired in midnight for m+ to get stacks prior to starting the dungeon, I've seen sturdy love fool as an example.
minor gust
Ones I know on the top of my head are love fool and fish head
haughty meadow
the love fool isnt avaliable though right
minor gust
No clue honestly I just tell my rogue buddy to drop something because he has everything
haughty meadow
gotcha
minor gust
I'm sure there's a list made somewhere on the internet if you search for it
slender sonnet
turnip punching bag you get like 5 quests into valley of the four winds in pandaria
very easy
ionic mica
I'll just send every other demo on bosses then ig
last kill i just sent everything on cd unless it was like 2s to orbs and it worked out fine, i guess youll get more cleave funnel as the orbs take longer to die without grips 🙂
kind of nice when one or two dont get gripped for cleaving
slender sonnet
yeah
ionic mica
there were still some sets where it all lined up and i demo the orbs but enough where it didnt line up to stop my guild crying about stealing damage
stable fiber
its actively more boss dps for you to pad on the adds
minor gust
It's not stealing. It's yours by right as the Colossus arms warrior. The stinky DDH are the ones stealing
slender sonnet
This boss is giving me a headache
ionic mica
its actively more boss dps for you to pad on the adds
with cleave for sure, demo its just for fun and to make them all focus boss 😄
stable fiber
fury will probably become better on dragons since groups will prob stop running 2 bdks and possibly even 1 bdk
in reclears
sadge
stable fiber
just depends on comp
mortal crag
are the colo changes a buff to ST in m+?
nova marsh
the love fool isnt avaliable though right
Not until next feb
mortal crag
or just a buff in general due to way more demolishes?
nova marsh
the love fool isnt avaliable though right
https://www.wowhead.com/item=199896/rubbery-fish-head Check ur renown with Tuskkar from DF, they have one on offer at r17
thick kelp
or just a buff in general due to way more demolishes?
yes
heavy dune
rotation quest here. when I play slayer, if I get enough execute procs bladestorm comes off cooldown well before avatar so I get into a situation where smash comes off cooldown with bladestorm and avatar still has like 45 seconds left until ready.
I can either just blow smash like normal and hold bladestorm for avatar OR
I can blow bladestorm with smash but what usually happens is that smash and avatar come back and bladestorm isn't ready now
mortal crag
even in ST @thick kelp ?
thick kelp
even in ST <@865605822638063647> ?
more in ST due to DW change
mortal crag
rotation quest here. when I play slayer, if I get enough execute procs bladestor...
bladestorm with smash always
avatar with smash
they dont line up
thick kelp
neutral st + aoe
mortal crag
smash is what u care about
mortal crag
neutral st + aoe
so no buff or nerf?
thick kelp
buff buff buff
mortal crag
i guess better gameplay loop though cuz in ST ur demolishes desync w cs
u just said neutral
huh
mortal crag
ok ty
loser
L
missed ws20 by 1min
will time tomorrow
we fucked up funnel on bird and we chained some pulls a bit wonky
mortal crag
also need to resend aa19
xhanon said u can send one small bird on bird boss
its like 20s of 2target but
if we can somehow make it so only i cleave it
then it somehow offsets colossus there
@thick kelp do we have numbers on how much u gain from 2target or 3target vs pure ST?
cuz i can sim but it doesnt tell me how much damage i do to the main target
it just shows dps at the end
minor gust
but walhe posted those types of sims awhile back
just search his name and look for em
thick kelp
<@865605822638063647> do we have numbers on how much u gain from 2target or 3tar...
its like
nearly 100%
minor gust
yeah the funnel is goated
we need to somehow get 4pc as a talent
or arms is kinda fucked for next patch
ionic mica
its okay master tactician will volunteer as tribute
mortal crag
I'll have to check the slayer funnel
ionic mica
atm we have an imposter in our last talent section
minor gust
quite a few dead awful talents could be replaced for 4pc
mortal crag
Cuz obv Colo gets more
minor gust
hell I would be willing to invest 2 points to get the full value of 4pc
mortal crag
Slayer still super fun
But Colo feels diffy
And honestly 20s Shockwave with knock up is peak
minor gust
1 talent for MS CS extension and another for cleave CS extension
thick kelp
Is it sad that I started enjoying Colo a lot more than slayer
welcome to the club
mortal crag
I gotta start pre parrying on pulls
ionic mica
and its just insane
rare kite
Is it sad that I started enjoying Colo a lot more than slayer
it's good since col is the play in every dungeon next week
mortal crag
it's good since col is the play in every dungeon next week
It's already the play in all of them
There's a cook for every dungeon to funnel almost every boss
minor gust
I still dont like playing colo in ST
mortal crag
U can thank farover for tjst
minor gust
was doing some ptr testing
rare kite
nahh slayer in algethar
minor gust
CS and Demo can still desync in ST
hybrid needle
Boss funnel? Hahahahaha
Not below 17. Tanks dont care
minor gust
you become a slave to RNG of MS crits and tac procs
mortal crag
Boss funnel? Hahahahaha
Not below 17. Tanks dont care
I mean we're sending 20s
slender sonnet
There's a cook for every dungeon to funnel almost every boss
send me the link so I can educate my tank
mortal crag
send me the link so I can educate my tank
Which dung
rare kite
U Colo algetjar
how do you do bird with funnel?
mortal crag
Just watch monksea pov
mortal crag
how do you do bird with funnel?
U can get 1 small bird
Incap
But it's only like 20s 2targer
Haven't tried it yet
minor gust
someone will discover some snap tech for bird
mortal crag
I finish bird around 72k w no funnel
minor gust
just you wait
mortal crag
On our 19 that we 1shot btw
We funneled vexamus
And last boss we had 5min so we killed the 2 echo knights before boss
Instead of funneling them
Cuz safe and time
latent moss
monksea ahh route
latent moss
gotta do it if u got an arms warrior
rare kite
pulling echoknights onto boss seems so rough. those guys are fkers
mortal crag
gotta do it if u got an arms warrior
I LOVE BEING THE MAIN CHARACTER RAAAA
mortal crag
pulling echoknights onto boss seems so rough. those guys are fkers
Haven't tried it fully yet on a 19 but yeah u get em a bit low ig
minor gust
yeah how the fuck do you accompl;ish the double echoknight into boss
mortal crag
Then bl on pull
minor gust
that seems impossible
umbral badger
what was the polls result on if warcraftlogs should not consider certain "adds" in dps parses
slender sonnet
How does the funnel work?
mortal crag
Then send
umbral badger
fallen king small orbs are dying too fast it feels like no one will ever parse on this boss again
mortal crag
How does the funnel work?
Wym
mortal crag
U just cleave
latent moss
u play aoe rotation
mortal crag
U play like it's aoe
slender sonnet
aa\
sacred zodiac
How does the funnel work?
Funnel
slender sonnet
I see
latent moss
and u do 2x st in prio dmg
mortal crag
minor gust
wait for both smashes
soo pretty minimal funnel then but hey better than nothing
slender sonnet
Im very stupid ok
mortal crag
soo pretty minimal funnel then but hey better than nothing
It's big
minor gust
true
mortal crag
30s of 3target Equalizes ur damage from dogshit to normal
minor gust
yeah fair
latent moss
is a sketchy pull
mortal crag
I think next week we send 19 for either timer improve or try to smooth it out for a 20
Aa20 nearly impossible for physical rn
Monksea best timer was 2min left
latent moss
we almost timed 20 np after me dying on 2nd pull to melee and wasting like 2mins
we did right side in like
3 pulls
aug pug died to acast
tank tried to salvage and got shot
gg
was timed
we were somehow ahead on timer
mortal crag
I found my tank week 1 doing 14s
latent moss
xd
minor gust
deserved for bringing an aug to a key
latent moss
ye ion know we were trying to find someone
for like 20 minutes
ig no one pugging 20s
minor gust
damn
mortal crag
Nope
minor gust
usually EU has a pretty insane pug scene
slender sonnet
deserved for bringing an aug to a key
minor gust
latent moss
usually EU has a pretty insane pug scene
early into the season
and rough key
i think
tho lowk if u dont deplete on left side
its timed
rest is easy
minor gust
maybe I havent checked 20s for NA cuz im only doing 17s right now
but I doubt theres even anything on NA cuz were usually far behind
nova marsh
na gamers suck
slender sonnet
I've not made it past 15s yet
nova marsh
(myself included)
hasty pumice
we almost timed 20 np after me dying on 2nd pull to melee and wasting like 2mins
Hey colossus arms warrior2
latent moss
Hey colossus arms warrior2
hey dr philliam
hasty pumice
Could you tell the people in +19 pos to not DoT the necrowhisperer when caged in PoS for first boss funnel
Regards, Dr. Philliam
latent moss
hasty pumice
I'd appreciate feedback
I saw that 5 times now
Just stop touching it, I want infinite funnel
minor gust
dude ive done Pit 3 times with a dk that grips the Necro into the boss when it was about to be ccd
hasty pumice
Smartest DK vs dumbest warrior?
Genuine question
Did you guys have one blaster DK
jovial hare
Smartest DK vs dumbest warrior?
hasty pumice
In high keys
latent moss
no
ive never seen
dk beat anyone
legit never
even the chinese doing 20s 21s
dk always bottom
hasty pumice
Same
latent moss
idk why are they playingi t over devourer/demo
minor gust
prob lazy and just want grips lol
ionic mica
tww got tanks addicted to grips
ionic mica
and healers addicted to ams
nocturne ravine
What are you guys doing to work around the single target damage? I feel like I’m missing something when it comes to boss fights to do more damage.
hybrid needle
Yell at the tank or cry in a corner
nocturne ravine
👍
hasty pumice
What are you guys doing to work around the single target damage? I feel like I’m...
Nothing
Cry
Hope your tank and team wants you to have funnel
If you don't get it, cry
nocturne ravine
Glad I asked lol
minor gust
next best option just play slayer if it bothers you that much
hasty pumice
Ye
Have fun joining a key without shaman as col
I hope you enjoy charge weaving on cd
hybrid needle
Wont coll leave slayer in the dust in 3 days
minor gust
Wont coll leave slayer in the dust in 3 days
will it be better yes but in the dust lol no
slayer will still own
nocturne ravine
Still new to arms running colossus. Just trying to make sure I am not missing anything.
nova marsh
slayer is better in practice then on paper
hasty pumice
Still new to arms running colossus. Just trying to make sure I am not missing an...
If you don't have a shaman and don't charge weave you're basically out of rage in ST all the time
If you have full uptime without BL and pot you likely gonna have 60-65k st max
nocturne ravine
Gotcha
hasty pumice
With funnel that dies quickly I often have like 95-115k at the end of a ST boss
If funnel lives the entire time 150-200k+ depending on context
E.g. first boss in nexus
nocturne ravine
Cool
hasty pumice
My tank gives me the two core guys as funnel
With full CDs I spike up to 400k+ and then by the end I chill at 110-130k
Funnel is huge
nocturne ravine
Shit
hasty pumice
But don't expect it in lower keys
Even in +19 I don't get it in pugs often
It's a bit infuriating
minor gust
Hence slayer has a smoother time while pugging keys
nocturne ravine
That’s good to know
hasty pumice
Yeah though I do think at a certain key level slayer is never worth it anymore
minor gust
not really
hasty pumice
Cause mobs live so long where the aoe really shines
minor gust
thats key level hasnt even been done yet
slayer has comfortably been apart of and done 20s
umbral badger
guys i need to ask, when you guys play slayer arms do you "which i have less experience with tbh" do you guys feel like your ST dps is so RNG?
hasty pumice
But I'm confident col is just almost always better
stable fiber
guys i need to ask, when you guys play slayer arms do you "which i have less exp...
it is
umbral badger
like even when i revisit my fight and i did the exact same rotational play without mistakes almost and yet my dps is like different every fight
lol
and it is confusing me
minor gust
But I'm confident col is just almost always better
debatable right now in 12.05 for sure colo better
hasty pumice
debatable right now in 12.05 for sure colo better
Rip your name then
The saviour of colossus soon
minor gust
still gonna play it because slayer is still good
why should i care about doing more dmg when I still out dmg everyone I play with as slayer
umbral badger
i am not gonna touch slayer i think after 12.0.5
how much more ST is it gonnab e ?
latent moss
like 10%
umbral badger
wait seriously still 10%
latent moss
25% less aoe
stable fiber
like even when i revisit my fight and i did the exact same rotational play witho...
2 different boss damage logs on nexus king where i played almost identically
umbral badger
for slayer ?
latent moss
at all counts basically
stable fiber
had AWFUL rng on the april 7th log
umbral badger
2 different boss damage logs on nexus king where i played almost identically
yea i don't know i revsiited my fight i did not see a single rotation mistake and i even greeded on boss
hybrid needle
Imagine havng alnseer
umbral badger
on varasious
latent moss
Imagine havng alnseer
he is 🍽️
latent moss
ye ik i was joking xdd
minor gust
2 different boss damage logs on nexus king where i played almost identically
lol yup I had a vorasius pull with insane terrible RNG and got a green parse when I played normally and never died
umbral badger
10% = i will still be forced to slayer sometimes which i'd hate
hybrid needle
Atleast we consistantly top Perform at vanguard
umbral badger
u will still play slayer in algethar
nah fk that >.<
latent moss
st slop dungeon
minor gust
dont worry colo getting that ST RNG too
have fun never critting your MS
so Demo desyncs
umbral badger
have fun never critting your MS
not as bad as slayer i feel like sometimes i am spamming my execute and sometimes i am not, i thought it should be proc per min or some shit
dunno could be perception shit
minor gust
not as bad as slayer i feel like sometimes i am spamming my execute and sometime...
you havent played 12.05 ptr have you
umbral badger
you havent played 12.05 ptr have you
just a little bit i did not have desync issues iwth Colossus ST tbh
minor gust
until RNG happens
umbral badger
but on AOE i had the rng
minor gust
no crits no tac procs
minor gust
GG shits desynced when it shouldnt be and you feel bad
at least thats how I felt playing it
hybrid needle
What dung are u guys going to use your extra rolls on? Pit ?
umbral badger
so in AoE in ptr sometimes demo is ready last 2 or 3 seconds of cs
and sometimes never
umbral badger
What dung are u guys going to use your extra rolls on? Pit ?
dungeon? we going chimarus bruv
stable fiber
oh yeah chimaerus is prob a good RR boss
umbral badger
there are 2000 classes that need trinket and warrior not top prio
minor gust
tech
latent moss
u can only get gaze/tier chest/feet
umbral badger
u can only get gaze/tier chest/feet
and good thing is that they are all fking good lol
so chimaerus is the wya to go for sure
bro vaelgor nad ezzorak are disgusting when they put on you the first beam
comes mid burst
slender sonnet
what is the chim trink actually good for us or what
stable fiber
what is the chim trink actually good for us or what
its aight
slender sonnet
it always sim so bad for me
stable fiber
i think you want vorasius heart and plume tho
slender sonnet
stable fiber
myth chim trinket will sim better then a 276 plume
plume on myth a lot harder to get then chim trinket for most people
carmine iris
hey guys quick q, on opener and I doing CS into 4cleave demo or CS into demo 4 cleave? seen both
thick kelp
cs 4cleave ms demo
minor gust
what is the chim trink actually good for us or what
In bis it sims pretty close with plume and heart
carmine iris
why ms
thick kelp
more cm
carmine iris
for buff
minor gust
to kinda the 3 trinkets are all pretty equal
stable fiber
if opening with 10 stacks cs -> demo -> 4x cleaves
carmine iris
aight so its jsut stack dependent
stable fiber
yup
carmine iris
word ty kings
slender sonnet
In bis it sims pretty close with plume and heart
Oic
slender sonnet
so if I pull it mythic from my vault I take it
minor gust
how do I prog paladins with 11 melee comp
be in the group soak that allows you to hit the boss
thick kelp
be in the group soak that allows you to hit the boss
well ofc I am
thick kelp
we had like 3 mm's 3 augs and 3 locks
cheaters
minor gust
minor gust
my 2 MM hunters are so bad I consistently do more dmg than them
slender sonnet
our comp is weirdge
umbral badger
how do I prog paladins with 11 melee comp
11 arms warriors will win by pure aura
odd leaf
heya, is arms going up with new patch or not really?
stable fiber
my 2 MM hunters are so bad I consistently do more dmg than them
they might have fixed the bug that was making them do way more 3t dps then intended
thick kelp
heya, is arms going up with new patch or not really?
up
stable fiber
the bug was pretty gross though lmfao...
stable fiber
could be that too yeah
umbral badger
Maybe but IK our hunters arent the best so its more likely that
i will snitch 😮
fast warren
hello question i heard colo is better for dragons and im not sure how. are you supposed to be able to sweep on both dragons? theyre ususally tanked far apart in my experience
nova marsh
hello question i heard colo is better for dragons and im not sure how. are you s...
It's add set
If you have dks to grip evrey time, you just skyrocket
and there are peroiditic points of 2 targ
minor gust
hello question i heard colo is better for dragons and im not sure how. are you s...
its only for mythic
fast warren
so save colo demo for adds?
mythic makes more sense, im in heroic atm and adds die in 2s
minor gust
bosses are together the whole fight in mythic
nova marsh
ye if you're in heroic the only boss you play colo is vanguard
fast warren
makes sense ty lads
full obsidian
Dahell you playin now
latent moss
yo someone tell crit that Lura is an arms boss
daring heron
yo someone tell crit that Lura is an arms boss
xd
i prolly will try arms on it next week
umbral badger
i prolly will try arms on it next week
oh can't wiat to hear you tak about more demos with love
reef glade
what in gods name is this
daring heron
not demo on lura
reef glade
no way colo better than slayer yea
umbral badger
not demo on lura
oh just noticed you not talking about m+ 😄
i wanna see a round of critcakes with double hte demos in m+
the hate in his eyes for the skill is fun to watch
latent moss
what in gods name is this
sim
gaze might not be the move
i will still roll chimaerus
drops 3 bis pieces
daring prairie
viscid mica
How do you sim m+? I do Patchwerk x7 1:30 min, does it make sense?
rose belfry
anyone can help with a log review ?
carmine iris
did they remove th ebuff stacking before keys?
full obsidian
How do you sim m+? I do Patchwerk x7 1:30 min, does it make sense?
From what people said dont
Just sime single target and equip that way
quick acorn
Do we align bladestorm and colossus Smash in m+ for packs?
On the other hand, the puzzlebpx trinket.. should I try to use It on every other Avatar or just on CD with a colossus Smash available?
nova marsh
Do we align bladestorm and colossus Smash in m+ for packs?
On the other hand, t...
yes to bs and cs together
evreyhthing should go into CS, with the expection of demo on tuseday
DEmo is just shotgun that shit
halcyon void
so we lose reap the storm from mortal strike, but gain more deep wounds damage from mortal wounds talent on single target at least
nova marsh
And Demo gains infinity more CDR
halcyon void
are we looking at gain/loss or just neutral damage changes?
mortal crag
what are we sending 298
halcyon void
alright ty
astral yarrow
what are we sending 298
take a wild guess yo
mortal crag
weapon
astral yarrow
ding ding ding
mortal crag
opa
astral yarrow
although that is prolly not for a few weeks though
mortal crag
does that mean we 298 weapon + double arcanowave?
astral yarrow
nobody knows the timeline for ilvl on wep + trinkets
astral yarrow
does that mean we 298 weapon + double arcanowave?
that has always been the case in minmaxed setups
astral yarrow
isnt it only 1 item and its on reset?
bonus rolls are on the coming reset
ilvl gains may or may not be
mortal crag
so whats the ST gain from buff
mortal crag
so whats the ST gain from buff
% wise
astral yarrow
so whats the ST gain from buff
pretty sure the numbers are somewhere in #updates-midnight
if not theres some talk about adding it
idk if archi gets around to it
astral yarrow
am i hallucinating
as far as i know nothing about it is confirmed
wind hatch
There's no numbers in there regarding the final amount
i remember seeing some spreadsheet for it
colo was like 8% and slayer was 3%
astral yarrow
you can do the comparison between raidbots and mimiron
i cant find numbers in the relevant channels and i cba digging for them
raw sapphire
With the dominance of the colossus change are we now pressing demolish on cooldown?
cursive sun
does warr do anything prepull this season?
halcyon valve
With the dominance of the colossus change are we now pressing demolish on cooldo...
Hell yeah
vale warren
Battleshout :3
vale warren
Crit IS ranked 5th world. So he would know
I think there is a rage stack pre pull thing, that was mentioned before. I don’t know if it’s a MUST.
raw sapphire
Im not the biggest fan of the dominance of the colossus change. I liked it that demolish and colossus smash lined up nicely
raw sapphire
doesnt it break in aoe though
ionic mica
in aoe you get demo back first
but next reset youll just send twice per cs i think
hopefully it lines up in ST and you get 2 per CS in aoe
would be comfy
halcyon valve
In aoe you kinda just get more demolishes which is awesome
rare kite
i saw crit doing it
prob stacking apex and if slayer stacking imminent demise
novel herald
hey guys i heard arms will have some changes these next weeks, is that a buff or a nerf tldr?
plain violet
Do we know how the 0.5 "changes" will affect our dungeon DPS? I was messing around on dummies on the PTR for a bit and it definitely felt like i was doing less damage than on live.
minor gust
ST buffs for both very minor aoe nerf for both
finite wasp
how much is aoe nerf for colussus next week?
ik its very slight but does anyone know exact
paper dove
ST buffs for both very minor aoe nerf for both
i think the aoe nerf for slay is like 4-10% depending on target count iirc, overall Colossus should be even better than slayer
paper dove
how much is aoe nerf for colussus next week?
2-3%
but with a 9% single and 2 target increase
plain violet
I didn't feel the changes as a ST buff for colossus at all, you still have to wait for demo+warbreaker to line up and the deep wounds are negligible, is it really that crazy?
minor gust
charred brook
Is there actual math done on the arms changes
remote talon
I didn't feel the changes as a ST buff for colossus at all, you still have to wa...
"feel"
charred brook
Where is the col aoe nerf calculated from
finite wasp
I didn't feel the changes as a ST buff for colossus at all, you still have to wa...
well the aoe is absolutely wild, so dont expect too much of a st buff xd
minor gust
Is there actual math done on the arms changes
Sims are updated
nova marsh
I didn't feel the changes as a ST buff for colossus at all, you still have to wa...
"Wait" not really hopefully
charred brook
Kk
plain violet
"feel"
i tried it out, had no effect because you just barely overcap on might by the time warbreaker is back
charred brook
But we can shotgun demo now a bit
remote talon
all arms is getting at least somewhat of an aoe nerf from not being able to apply deep wounds with cleave, among other things
minor gust
Nerfs to colo aoe is counteracted by the demo cdr change
charred brook
Thats what I was hoping for
mortal crag
i tried it out, had no effect because you just barely overcap on might by the ti...
Idk man if u do st for 4 mins you WILL reach spots where cs and demo desync by a big margin
So the change fixes it
novel herald
deep wounds is not mortal wounds
minor gust
yes it is
nova marsh
deep wounds is not mortal wounds
Yes it is
mortal crag
Like on some bosses I end up having to hold demo for 15s to line it up with my next colo
minor gust
plz I dont wanna go through this again
nova marsh
Read the dw talent name
mortal crag
deep wounds is not mortal wounds
Me when I troll
nova marsh
plz I dont wanna go through this again
I already put you through it enough
mortal crag
plain violet
the 2 target buff is visible on meters, because the might overcap is significant, but i only got another 3+ seconds demo cdr on single target
minor gust
bro the last guy who tried saying DW and MW are two different things
sent me off a cliff
minor gust
It wasnt you
nova marsh
How much do we get from 2 target
Our damage literally doubles
minor gust
doubles at 3T not 2T
nova marsh
Oh I genuinely dont remeber the last time we had this
God damn blizz and their shitty naming
plain violet
They really doubled down on all the problems with colossus with these changes, you are already relying on your route's pulling bonus mobs onto bosses to make up for shortcomings on single target, this is only going to make that more mandatory
minor gust
it doesnt
plain violet
do you have numbers to back this up?
nova marsh
but with a 9% single and 2 target increase
Im going off of this
Which i aassume is from sims
minor gust
thats not ST xD
plain violet
i swear i see people dropping all kinds of random estimates with no sources.
nova marsh
Better but still fucked
minor gust
well the buff amount is but colo does not have better ST than slayer still
that has not changed
minor gust
im just correcting your earlier statement
nova marsh
It doesn't
Was already corrected btw
mortal crag
I just did
nova marsh
Thats not flame
nova marsh
Best insult I've had all day
mortal crag
im just correcting your earlier statement
Well a 9% st gain for Colo in m+ is what we needed
To solidify Colo as a pick for all dungs
U can funnel ALMOST all bosses in almost all keys anyway
shy cairn
plenty you cant