arms

[nova marsh]

And what it dosen't cover you can use your brain for

[sage haven]

Hopefully collossus stays as best m+build^^ love it and realy hate rng shitshow slayer

[autumn nexus]

dw they killed slayer

[nova marsh]

no

lmafo

they did not

[autumn nexus]

for m+ at least

[paper dove]

yeah idk i don't feel like having leap to compensate for something that shouldn't even be a thing in the first place is the right way to think but i agree to disagree

[nova marsh]

still no

The numbers literally disagree

[autumn nexus]

If by numbers you mean the linked picture

at two targets, slayer is already losing damage compared to live

[nova marsh]

that's an unfair comparison at 2 targets

because colo's 2 target is busted as fuck

and even if it is

[wide wigeon]

Colo cleave is insane

[nova marsh]

Evreything I have heard says slayer is fine

[autumn nexus]

it only gets worse

the more targets yo add

xD

[nova marsh]

fine man

[autumn nexus]

you jsut said nubmers dont lie

i give u evidence with ur numbers

[nova marsh]

I also said

[autumn nexus]

now its "everything I heard"

[nova marsh]

That slayer on paper

Is worse then practice

lmafo

But okay

[autumn nexus]

well what my friends uncles mothers friends brothers sisters uncles son said that slayer's dead

[nova marsh]

How about

we just stop dooming

and wait till tuseday

and play a key

[autumn nexus]

Im down

[nova marsh]

and see how dead it is

because also remeber

colo needs good tanks

[autumn nexus]

Im still gearing my war at least, just giga upset they murdered reap

[nova marsh]

and if you're pugging, slayer can do better

[autumn nexus]

only reason to play slayer, other than bladestorm being lit

[dire hinge]

tbh every spec can do the keys that 99% of people play so dooming is always a bit silly

[autumn nexus]

Yes

[dire hinge]

"aw man arms can't do a 22", well you'll be fine in your 13 sweetie it's fine

[reef prairie]

you're gonna be fine on slayer

[dire hinge]

pretty buttons, have fun

[reef prairie]

continue to play it if its what you prefer

[autumn nexus]

The play what you like argument makes me giggle

[dire hinge]

+100000 to that, even if slayer was really bad, still play it. Follow the fun, don't burn out

[wide wigeon]

Warrior Prot cannot tank a [phone] its so over 😔

[reef prairie]

well its not unplayable, slayer is still going to do well

[autumn nexus]

If youre doing a 15 with the boys, and they are doing 150 and 140k dps respectively, and youre down at 102

[reef prairie]

you are going to see people play slayer up to the highest keys

[wide wigeon]

I kept playing arms even during the dark week

[autumn nexus]

play what you like arent gonna be that hot

[dire hinge]

sounds like you gotta find new boys if they're not cool with that

[reef prairie]

you're not gonna be seeing a damage discrepancy like this if you're playing correctly

[autumn nexus]

then theres people like critcake, with tailored for it groups, as well as massive aoe pulls INTO bosses but that reaches skill levels most people cant do

Theres no way theyll do bosses w/o 3 adds to funnel

and even then on pure st targets, he drops down to 60-70k when a fight is over, like seranel in MT

you just can pad really, really hard at aoe to recover the overall

[wide wigeon]

I think we should close #arms in protest for a +40% buff in all Arms damage

[autumn nexus]

hell thats what I do on my gimpy warrior

I do 45k as slayer, 30k as colossus on st, give or take

but I can still do 100+ cos of the aoe paddingon overall

[wide wigeon]

life became better after I stopped caring about the numbers and started to enjoy the gameplay

[dire hinge]

[reef prairie]

you can already pretty handily do top overall on lots of keys as slayer

[autumn nexus]

For sure, but I cant enjoy the gameplay if Im losing to tanks

😄

[reef prairie]

a little bit of loss on aoe with a gain on st

isn't gonna change anything with this

[wide wigeon]

I also play Monk and my MW gameplay became much better and I started to heal much better and higher keys after I stopped bothering the people at Peak of Serenity over my HPS

Same with Arms

[autumn nexus]

Ill wait and see after the patch

[dire hinge]

listen, you should always post HPS in the Arms channel imho

i keep saying this, but the people hate my Healing Message

[autumn nexus]

In a perfect world I wouldnt suck on my DK, but we can't have everything, or maybe I should just give up a fourth class altogether, I got 3 and that's maybe sufficent, or well technically 2

[wide wigeon]

mega heals

[reef prairie]

if you're having a rough time on a class you shouldn't just spam swap classes to do better

its going to have the opposite effect

[autumn nexus]

Nah, thats not how it works

[wide wigeon]

unless you have a giga brain and is a fast learner

[autumn nexus]

Just gotta find what you vibe with

[dire hinge]

(but also definitely try different classes and specs!)

[reef prairie]

i mean yea if you're not ENJOYING dk thats chill

[dire hinge]

we're here to answer questions if you want to get better at arms though, this chat is pretty supportive and helpful

[autumn nexus]

Im a very fast learner, 3-5 button rotations arent that complex. I wont preted that I max their potential out on a single reading

[reef prairie]

but "sucking on it" read as you're unhappy with your personal play to me

[wide wigeon]

with that being said I feel like I should not push keys on my 6 "main" toons

[autumn nexus]

but doing 85%+ is very easy after one day of palying

My war is a baby still, shes 265 and has 2 set, so Im going to check her out what I can do, I LOVE the gameplay, I am just masively and extremely perplexed at how little damage it does

and then thinking how over the top garbage itmust have been a month ago

[dire hinge]

it was pretty rough, but we play it anyways and still out perform people with it

[wide wigeon]

the downside of playing multiple toons is that Im still 260 on both my Warrior and Monk and ~255 on my other 4 toons

[autumn nexus]

The people that lost to 1month ago arms shouldnt be playing xD

[wide wigeon]

but Warrior is my main main

[autumn nexus]

Im 280 on hunter, 279 on warlock(my main) and Im trying to find a third char

DK is 277 but I cant deal damage on it if my life depended on it

[reef prairie]

dk is bugged right now, worth mentioning

[wide wigeon]

I play my Warrior since I started playing wow, Arms ever since

[autumn nexus]

I know, DK is in the gutter

I am HOPING the fixes make it not shit

[dire hinge]

yeah probably the spec design for sure

[autumn nexus]

Paladin and mage are classes that have haunted me since day 1. I ALWAYS want to make one, but five minutes of playing one I am dozing off at my computer falling asleep

[wide wigeon]

the only times I swapped specs was Fury to Arms at lvl30 back in 2012 and week 1 Midnight to try some content on Fury

Also for Tanking on M+ but thats another story

[autumn nexus]

Unfortunately, the DK bug is present in the 05 client, so its not going away xD

[wide wigeon]

Mage is my second most played class, I can play any of its specs, its honestly quite fun

[reef prairie]

i just like warrior dps in general, thane m+ gameplay is pretty cringe right now though

[autumn nexus]

Ill keep playing it, I dont think theres a class I enjoy more than UHDK and Demolock, summoning armies of minions to desstroy my enemies is PeaK

[wide wigeon]

Warrior is cool, I like the heavy hits from Arms

[autumn nexus]

Me too

[wide wigeon]

Prot feels amazing to play as well, just you and your shield

[autumn nexus]

But then I remember thatn SV hunter hits harder, and more often

[reef prairie]

i think its been made pretty public, its unlikely the bug stays until .5

[autumn nexus]

and Im sad as shit again

[warm fog]

Yeah UDK is rough, they will hopefully fix all its big issues such as

[wide wigeon]

I just dont think about it

[dire hinge]

comparison is the theif of joy as they say

[autumn nexus]

Its confirmed to be live in .05 accordinb to the UHDK discord

[dire hinge]

🪞 hurtin' your own feelings out here

[autumn nexus]

unless blizz has made changes that are not pasted

[wide wigeon]

I also have a SV Hunter and its also fun af but if Im playing Warrior why would I be thinking about my hunter and not about hitting whatever is in front of me with big sword

[autumn nexus]

Cos hunter can usea sword and a gun, and bombs

and, deal more damage

[nova marsh]

Guys

don't you love it when the person who rages

[autumn nexus]

I crafted both a bow and dagger, its a hard life. Two more weeks for 2x Arcanoweave :[

[nova marsh]

is the one who bricked the key

[autumn nexus]

Thats the best feeling

"im only in silver cos all my team mates are noobs"

in wow m+ form

[nova marsh]

"I'm only in silver"
Literally griefed a 14

as the one

with the most movement in the entire party

"WHY IS NOONE RUNNING BALLS"

[dire hinge]

time for next key ¯_(ツ)_/¯

people are gonna people

[nova marsh]

Oh yeah I'm just having such a good laugh at this lol

[autumn nexus]

got my reesilient 14 today and 3 15s

tomorrow the 15 grind continues

im struggling to decide if i shoul go vulera from orc though

[nova marsh]

So close

Yet so far to being done with rogue

and then we all day

[uneven minnow]

I feel like my ST damage is so bad

well

I feel like it's more bad than my cleave damage

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TXFBG6vCfHKxyRQj?fight=10&type=damage-done&source=296

[wide wigeon]

doesnt seen you are doing anything particularly wrong, ST is just not amazing rn

[uneven minnow]

I know I dont have a sham in group rn cuz he's late to raid tonight but it just feels badge

hard to compare based purely off parse since that's comparing to everyone and there's a lot of people ahead of my guild

just feels bad to see 40's when I know I can do better

[nova marsh]

Brick?

ye brick lol

Oh

I got into a +13 for the last 13 I need..

[restive jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1286636453824299078/1495256805172056175/63c281d1362ebca9c6e92e0fb693b70c.png?ex=69e595ea&is=69e4446a&hm=ae1021204f7e9d4154ba720d96d2b40e90d23a8e777ef47681cc83c09b92bc4e&

@tacit crystal grey parse?

[uneven minnow]

only 128k dps

pshaw

[restive jay]

L gio…

[tacit crystal]

i ran out to change my talents

lost lust

[uneven minnow]

I do 100-120k dps in a +10 and I'm pogging

[tacit crystal]

good job man 😄

[restive jay]

Right…

[tacit crystal]

look at my casts for first 15s

[restive jay]

I don’t have the log the dk posted the screenshot

[tacit crystal]

and look at my lust debuff

i beat the dk if i didnt forgor

[nova marsh]

I'm gonna

I bricked the 13

https://giphy.com/gifs/emoji-dissolve-dissolving-F3t0lZJV7wVJwqgi5Q

[sterile owl]

Guys, is heroic strike same prio as slam in aoe or is it higher?

[nova marsh]

We don't cast HS in aoe

Read fervor of battle 🙂

[sterile owl]

Thats what I figured, thanks

wasnt sure if the slam in fervor counted for heroic strike but i assume it does

[minor gust]

How you manage to brick a 13

Lemme guess tanks fault

[minor gust]

Every talent the says slam works with HS

[sterile owl]

dope ty

[nova marsh]

na

I choked

[uneven minnow]

Should I be avatar + colossus + bladestorm off the rip on beloren (heroic)

[minor gust]

[minor gust]

You should get all those back for egg yeah

[nova marsh]

yeah

It's been a week

irl exhaustion

[minor gust]

It's ok on a 17 AA last night I ate a tornado on crawth

In my defense that shit was like inside the boss

It was fucked

[nova marsh]

IRL exhaustion debuff

is winning

[minor gust]

It always does

[nova marsh]

+12 is bricked too

weekend lost to IRL

I just wanted to leave lmao

but vote says no and I don't want leaver debuff

so fuck it

I just embrace exhaustion

deadass crashing out a lilk

Oh

and they were toxic as fuck too

Gotta love getting flamed

thank god that's over with. Stole shoulders that I genuinely don't deserve

[neon shale]

Skyreach slayr key?

[nova marsh]

yes

[neon shale]

reeeal badmon

[brave silo]

what makes it slayer?

[nova marsh]

You have like 3 big pulls and a lot of count is upstairs with smaller ones. Also the bosses are an eternity

[minor gust]

cant really pull mobs onto bosses in that dungeon

[nova marsh]

that too

Colo gets zero funnel

[brave silo]

I see

[minor gust]

not like it matters tho

Farover blasting every key as colo

[brave silo]

yeah, from what I look at in wclogs, looks like colo just dumping on all keys

[minor gust]

both specs are really good right now tho so enjoy this season while you can

its very rare that both hero specs are solid and playable in keys

[nova marsh]

I think this is the first time for arms

[brave silo]

yeah - i only just started trying colo in keys because I way prefer slayer

but man, now it's hard to go back from massive aoe damage

[nova marsh]

Maybe S1 of TWW, but only like....for 2 weeks into the season before we all realized how bad it was

play both

[minor gust]

I remember it was slayer at the very start of S1 but I think a few weeks later or the .5 patch colo got some big buffs and it was the slam dunk goto spec for keys for the rest of the expansion

Slayer also just felt bad to play in keys gameplay wise so a lot of people didnt like it either

[nova marsh]

I mean I still think slayers feels a tad bit bad in keys

Cuz of rng on SD

[minor gust]

idk it procs very often its fine. Yeah sure the high dmg peaks are pretty much pure RNG but like it all avg out at the end of the day in keys

Maybe I would care more if I actually lost to someone in overall

[nova marsh]

I've just found colo to be more consistent for me

[minor gust]

idk I dont actually look at the dps meters that often during a key

so like it just doesnt bother me

in raid tho im constantly peaking at the meters every pull

xD

[nova marsh]

I don't raid so I kinda obess over them

because I don't do well I get flamed again

[limber valve]

youll do better if you dont look

[nova marsh]

I'm convinced I don't

I keep them in my perpherial most of the time

[stable fiber]

i try my best to not look at the dps meter in raid until the last minute of a fight

cause you wont see either warrior spec on most fights until the last minute anyways

[minor gust]

[wind hatch]

yeah if you look at the meters early you'll just see people who have actual burst doing 2x your dps

[minor gust]

its ok I played arms in DF

im used to doing nothing for the first half

[nova marsh]

man that shit was pain

[stable fiber]

not joking btw but warrior unironically might be able to top dps on l'ura with a little bit of good rng

arms atleast

lmao

[minor gust]

was watching Wes for a lil I believe it

[stable fiber]

watching the best PC pull and he is only like 10k behind the hunters entering p3

might be hard to beat the dks

idk

[minor gust]

we likely kill paladins tomorrow then its off to Alleria P3 waiting room

[stable fiber]

everytime i see him on the meters i think of the rabbit holding the watch gif

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-white-rabbit-gif-13308924322367947549

[minor gust]

[stable fiber]

p1 just sucks man

[magic canopy]

did they pull more tonight

[stable fiber]

after p1 he is literally just top dps...

[stable fiber]

nah

[magic canopy]

watching one oftheir last pulls they got to P4 no deaths and the entire dps bar is green and purple

warrior suckarino

[stable fiber]

wait

he just went live @magic canopy

lmao

[magic canopy]

lying to me smh

[stable fiber]

CAP

[magic canopy]

admin its on my screen

[stable fiber]

they where infront of the boss eating food when i typed that

smh

[rain fiber]

is it bad if I macro Avatar + Colossus Smash?

[stable fiber]

yes

[rain fiber]

are there any reasons to cast Avatar without Colossus?

[maiden apex]

Who is this? Would love to watch a warr raiding stream

[rain fiber]

because if there are none, why not Macro?

[magic canopy]

most the time i havent had issue with ava/smash macro

[stable fiber]

there are bosses where you want to use avatar early for example

[magic canopy]

only time its kinda cringe is like P1 alleria you want to just smash at the end

[stable fiber]

so its up for a more important part of the fight

i do it on dragons and mythic l'ura

[stable fiber]

weswarr on twitch

[magic canopy]

i thought they remove your buffs

[maiden apex]

Ty

[stable fiber]

no not prepull

like

you use it before you send the other cds

so it lines up better later

[magic canopy]

THEN WHY DOES SWEEPING STRIKES GO AWAY BUT AVATAR STAYS

[minor gust]

SS doesnt get removed anymore

[stable fiber]

it doesnt

[minor gust]

you can prepull with SS

I do it on alleria

[magic canopy]

im about to attack a baloon with a monkey armed with darts man

why do they keep making annanounced changes

[minor gust]

Probably was an accident when they reworked SS

[neon shale]

pit slayer or colussus

colussus most df

def

[minor gust]

but it was so stupid when they removed it in the first place. I was mid OAB prog and they just randomly fix it so SS disappears on pull

[magic canopy]

becuase the entirety of LoU you couldnt

and after that and in dungeons you couldnt

[wicked aurora]

isn't SS prepull kinda moot since you get it with smash anyways?

[minor gust]

nah not entirety but prob the 2nd half because I was prepulling SS on OAB prog for the first half then they fixed it

[stable fiber]

depends on boss but nope

[magic canopy]

not for ST encounters

[minor gust]

depends if you are running broad or not

[rain fiber]

btwm are there any announcements, sims, updates, wowhead articles, about how much we gain/lose from 12.0.5 changes?

[magic canopy]

you will lose a lot of st damage if you go ss talents

[wicked aurora]

ah ye

my b

[stable fiber]

SS prepull is great on like dragons or paladins for example

lets you build CM stacks

i use it like 18 seconds prepull so then when i want to use it again its already back up

[minor gust]

you dont CS on pull on dragons?

[stable fiber]

i send like 2 mortal strikes then send it

[minor gust]

ah

[stable fiber]

its a personal preference thing

[magic canopy]

paladins is kinda w/e

since you just hit it off rip with talents anyway

but others yeah

[minor gust]

Alleria is a good use of SS prepull

because you dont run broad

[uneven minnow]

Should I save bladestorm on imperator averzian for adds

or just balls to the wall and if it lines up, it lines up

[wind hatch]

save for adds

with the exception of pull

on mythic you should have it back for first set of adds if using on pull anyway

[uneven minnow]

ye it seems like its mostly up, but sometimes i get fucked on execute stacks

[minor gust]

if that happens its a gg try again next week angle

or pray for a wipe

[wind hatch]

with enough haste it shouldnt happen unless ur really unlucky

but shit happens sometimes

[magic canopy]

@stable fiber

6min into the fight no deaths btw

[wooden lava]

lmaoooooooo

[stable fiber]

arms tops dps in the lust i think

let me check their pull prior

[nova marsh]

L'ura?

[stable fiber]

nvm ele gets cds

[magic canopy]

yeah

[nova marsh]

Nice

oh

[stable fiber]

he will prob be 2nd behind ele most pulls if i had to guess

[nova marsh]

Oh nevermind

[stable fiber]

also this phase seems rng for some reason

the damage amp is weird

hes soaking

a fucking circle

and cant hit the boss during lust

LOL

like

[tacit crystal]

like an assigned circle?

[stable fiber]

yes

[tacit crystal]

zzz

[stable fiber]

you split the 10 people perside into 5/5 to soak 2 big circles

[nova marsh]

RIP

[magic canopy]

no soak = go boom and at this point the dps check isnt that bad

so its sad but better dps go down then raid go boom

[bronze elbow]

yo, how bad is this nerf removing deep wounds from cleave? it looks like i get no aoe deep wounds, and less casts of cleave, and a 5% nerf to ms, slam, and cleave, but i get more demolish casts?

[minor gust]

for colo its nothing

for slayer its a small

[bronze elbow]

oh sick, the extra demolishes balance it out?

works for me

[minor gust]

pretty much

[bronze elbow]

and maybe a tiny st boost from slam getting deep wounds

will heroic strikes apply deep wounds? probably yes?

[minor gust]

Colo is getting a pretty decent ST buff

slayer is minor

and yeah

HS will apply DW on crit

[bronze elbow]

sick

ok thanks

also is it just me or is timewalking vessel of acceleration like, cracked?

i don't see it on the wowhead guide or even on bloodmallet, but when i sim my heroic one it's like, the best trinket of the expansion for me

[nova marsh]

TW trinkets usually aren't in guides

cuz they're so limited for any good returns

[bronze elbow]

yeah i mean odds of getting this thing are so low

it sims comically strong for me tho

[nova marsh]

Use it and praise the gods

[bronze elbow]

i have mythic heart and heroic vessel and i think i'm just done with trinkets for the season

[nova marsh]

always be happy for that

[neon shale]

Nexus slayer?

or Zuglossus

[nova marsh]

heart says colo for disgusting demolishes on second boss

[neon shale]

u hve a good heart

[nova marsh]

Reality might be slayer cuz pulls don't feel that big

also slayer is really really really good for that amp if you have BS

[wind hatch]

most top logs are playing colo

but for pugs its probably pretty interchangeable

[minor gust]

heres where I unbiasedly say slayer

[nova marsh]

Gonna have to change ur name and pfp to be unbias

[wind hatch]

blasphemy

[minor gust]

[warm fog]

I wonder how long it would take a col arms warrior to solo the add spawns on chimaerus

Use the little ones to funnel on the big one

[nova marsh]

Do it in heroic 10 man

[warm fog]

Would be fun to try it but all the little ones die too fast

[vast helm]

save Arms

[slender willow]

As a slayer how important is Rend for single target. It seems according to the rotation I shouldn't even apply it before popping CDs, and its re apply is even further down than all the other buttons, so I sometimes in m+ have really low uptime on boss fights if things proc right 🤷🏼‍♂️

[minor gust]

its not really important in ST yeah

[nova marsh]

I mean

How big of a loss is it to just ignore that shit

And just keep it up

[stable fiber]

the avg cast of it is way higher then slam and uses the same rage as slam

but its less then 3% of your dps on st

so like 3k dps

oh u meant like ignore the conditionals

[nova marsh]

Yes

[stable fiber]

idk the exact number but its probably not a lot

[nova marsh]

Id rather just

Not undo like 2 years of muscle memory

[stable fiber]

i mean its not that bad just use it before slam

you can even use it at 1 op charge and ms on cd

[sick stratus]

is it ever worth to send bladestorm if it comes off cooldown way before avatar?

or do you always align it with ava

[untold trench]

Does BS even do damage as arms?

[minor gust]

You don't care to align BS with ava you always hold BS for CS which. Pretty much all your cooldowns are played around CS.

[minor gust]

Yeah it does decent dmg but will become good in 12.05

[tropic umbra]

How does master of warfare work? Is the HS proc only for the next ability or something? Why does it sometimes disappear instantly and other times stick around for a while

I can't find a buff that mentions it

[minor gust]

HS procs will get consumed by cleave when hitting 3+ targets thanks to the talent fervor of battle

[tropic umbra]

is that a good thing?

[minor gust]

Yes?

[tropic umbra]

good

sometimes procs getting consumed isn't good xD

[minor gust]

I suggest reading what fervor of battle does

[tropic umbra]

yeah i just did; i just mean other classes sometimes eat procs when you want to use them first

or at least they used to

[minor gust]

Then while your at it read the rest of your talents. It helps a lot

[tropic umbra]

Dude

Get off

[minor gust]

No?

[tropic umbra]

You're being a twat when you don't need to; i asked one question because i was confused about a behavior that came from 1 talent; what makes you think i don't know how everything else works?

1 talent in like 50 btw

[minor gust]

Relax stop being weird

[wind flicker]

What if you like being weird though Frozen

[minor gust]

[wind flicker]

🙁

[minor gust]

[untold pewter]

We tell people to read talents when it looks like they didn't read talents

It helps

Don't be so fragile

If you did read it all great
If you didn't, then you got a hint that you should

Some people really don't read them

You asking if cleave autocasting heroic strike for free is good definitely gave "this person doesn't seem knowledgeable" vibes which is why you were told to read

[untold pewter]

We can sit on avatar to line up with the next CS window (this tends to happen automatically assuming ideal uptime) but we don't hold anything for avatar unless there's something big coming up like add spawns or damage amp phases, etc

Just invert the way you think about it
Ava is sent with other stuff, not the other way around
Like Frozen said CS is our main thing

[novel belfry]

So quick question, is colossus the new go to for m+ at 12.0.5`?

because i enjoy slayer much more

[untold pewter]

It already is kind of the go to for m+ (though slayer definitely works well)
It'll just be better

Both will be fine

[minor gust]

Overall Colo is gonna start to take over a little more in 12.05 but slayer isn't really getting worse. It's still a good spec that has cleared 20s and will continue too. So if it's something like you really hate Colo feel free to keep playing slayer. You are by no means trolling your keys because your playing slayer

[novel belfry]

thanks man

[hushed cloud]

brothers in arms, do we use ravager in m+ on bosses? (pure st) or it's useless?

[untold pewter]

No reason to sit on cds for the duration of a boss encounter mate

Send with CS

Just hold when the boss is going to die soon so you have it up for the next pulls

[tropic umbra]

well, it was specifically said as consumed, rather than autocasting slam; which i learned 3 seconds after when checking the talent. So the wording wasn't exactly clear. Which i also stated afterwards is proceeding messages.

[untold pewter]

Bro just chill nobody is attacking your ego you don't have to defend yourself when nobody is attacking you

[tropic umbra]

Some classes used to consume procs for other things which werent always good which is why i wanted to check

[untold pewter]

It's alright, now you know, excellent

[minor gust]

Today we learned reading your talents is good

[tropic umbra]

nah, i'ma keep copy pasting that shit like a true reddit poster

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/snickers-cranky-hungry-gif-14636082

[tropic umbra]

that was a joke if it wasn't clear.

[flat willow]

I'm not gonna read anything, if I wanted to read I would have picked priest

[untold pewter]

I've been tanking keys and realized I haven't read prot talents since Shadowlands

Surely it's all the same anyway

[tropic umbra]

press buttons and then it something works weird and you don't get it; just go to discord and get a paragraph from someone passionate

[flat willow]

i mean, what can you do as prot except press shield block and ignore pain

[untold pewter]

Damage is there and I'm not dying
What more could there be

[tropic umbra]

i kinda wish arms had the passive ravager talent sometimes

[fair tinsel]

I wish ravager didn't exist

[tropic umbra]

lol

[fair tinsel]

And they baked cleave amps elsewhere

[minor gust]

🙏

[untold pewter]

Can't relate with the aversion to ravager

Looks nice

[minor gust]

It's just unnecessary like avatar

[flat willow]

I don't hate ravager but in its current state where it does nothing but boost cleave, they really could just bake it in avatar or something

[fair tinsel]

I've casted ravager into a chandelier one time too many

[sudden owl]

wish we didn't have to take a talent to make whirlwind infinitely less cool but actually do damage at the cost of it being a shitty frontal too but here we are

[fair tinsel]

And it's just one more cd not needed

[untold pewter]

Well it's no longer ground targeted

[fair tinsel]

Yea aware

The hatred has set in, though

[untold pewter]

Even before I'd just have it macroed to @player

Twas good enough

[tropic umbra]

imagine if ravager replaced whirlwind

[flat willow]

I love cleave, makes me feel like my brain is big for positioning myself to hit everything

kinda how I felt with dreadnaught, when it still dealt damage

[fair tinsel]

Ngl arms passing fury is always sad for me, fury is just so lazy

[minor gust]

You are pressing a button to buff your next 5-6 cleaves. It's a pretty unnecessary button to exist

[untold pewter]

I do enjoy that we have "positioning"
Nice part of the gameplay unlike single digits fury enjoyers

[fair tinsel]

Me press button in middle of many

Me make lightning

[tropic umbra]

but i like applauding the mobs until they die!

gotta keep clapping

[sudden owl]

Do mythic dragons with less than 2 blood dks and tell me u still like cleave

[flat willow]

just sounds like a reason to hate blizzard for making only blood dk have aoe grip

[untold pewter]

I mean you could say the same about sweeping strikes or even CS we could just automatically 2 target cleave or just do more damage baseline

It's just a buff imo, looks nice

[minor gust]

Yeah I know it's just this is the pruning expansion let's prune these bloat CDs. Everyday someone's in here complaining that arms still has so many buttons

[untold pewter]

Yeah we didn't get any pruning

Tbh I like that

[flat willow]

we did

dragon roar died

thankfully

[untold pewter]

Eeehhhhh sure

[flat willow]

[untold pewter]

I don't miss roar

[minor gust]

We had a perfect world back in alpha when ava and rav was removed

And we just head CS demolish/BS

[flat willow]

how did that work, was bladestorm on the slayer tree or you were forced to play bladestorm as colossus

[untold pewter]

I like rava/ava because it gives me a sense of "I have cooldowns for this"

Cs/demo/bladestorm are too rotational imo

It makes it clear to me when I'll be doing more damage than the usual

[minor gust]

It was weird because MBG was still a talent and it was still under BS in the spec tree. It was still in a much needed development spot but the answer wasn't bringing rav ava back

[minor gust]

Completely fair

Could really use a brand new main cooldown

Ava and rav are just flaccid

[untold pewter]

Can agree
I do like how ravager looks but it does not bring the "oomph"
And ava is whatever

[minor gust]

Rav feels nutty cuz cleave is super overtuned

[minor gust]

Yeah I wish If rav was gonna exist it also did dmg itself instead of it literally just being a buff for cleave

[untold pewter]

Yeah

[flat willow]

yeah, they could add a cooldown that gives you tons of crit and transform your crit chance into crit damage to not devalue the stat

[untold pewter]

I'd like it more if the buff to cleave was weaker but it did its own damage

[flat willow]

call it battlecry, or something...

[minor gust]

Battlecry

Way cooler of a steroid type CD than ava or rav

[untold pewter]

I also miss bladestorm being a nuke

[minor gust]

It will fuck in 12.05

[sudden owl]

I just want enough rage to press execute > execute > Ms repeatedly u guys are asking for the moon here

[untold pewter]

Kinda have that with shaman buff
Exe exe OP MS the classic

[flat willow]

battlecry with 12.05 demolish cdr

[minor gust]

2 points in CT and you can exe exe op MS with ease

[untold pewter]

Yeah

[flat willow]

knowing you are going to crit these ms to have a 15s cooldown demolish that is also guaranteed crit

[minor gust]

No ct means no rage when you execute

[flat willow]

the more I think about battlecry the more I miss it

[sudden owl]

it's pretty inconsistent, and then heroic strike procs and u gotta spend rage on that. Feels very clunky and the spells don't deal enough damage to make up for the clunk

[minor gust]

[untold pewter]

Demolish should autocrit
Now that would make it feel good

Also some actual fucking visuals for once

The cone is invisible

If you turn damage numbers off demolish feels like the most underwhelming button ever

[minor gust]

Also sounds underwhelming

[untold pewter]

It's like watching your character auto attack

Yeah

[minor gust]

Should be a deep explosive sound

[untold pewter]

You know what, ima go rant about that on the forums

Worked last time with the post about warbreaker magic bullshit animation

[minor gust]

I didn't mind it but man the sound that animation made when you hit a lot of targets was satisfying

[untold pewter]

I miss crunchy legion warbreaker

Not it being purple part

Just the sound and spikes

[flat willow]

they should add spikes to demolish

everything is better with more spikes

[untold pewter]

Damn right

[flat willow]

I'm demolishing you, and the ground you stand on

[midnight mural]

Link, i will support you

[thick kelp]

@snow flame are u gonna win this 18 seat

[molten glacier]

Looking on pit of saron bonus roll loot and you cant go wrong with every item there for arms only back weak

[flat willow]

good job, you just cursed every warrior looking at this message to loot a back when they bonus roll pit

I hope you are happy

[brittle rock]

arms or surv?
only brutally honest answers
for M+

[flat willow]

arms

[brittle rock]

why? stronger aoe? surv have BL

[flat willow]

stronger aoe, better defensives and you give battleshout to your fellow physical comp enjoyers

[untold pewter]

Hold up I`m cooking it lmao

[snow flame]

I did not win that one

we're goign again tho

I kinda fucked up and ate a ball during my demolish cast

[fair tinsel]

channeling is so fun

:)

smile

[gentle gyro]

[fair tinsel]

Wish demolish channel allowed movement tbh

just a cone of bonk

[gentle gyro]

Wish it was instant

[fair tinsel]

or this

immensely this

[gentle gyro]

With a big boom animation

[untold pewter]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/please-improve-demolish-animationsound-feedback/2293714

[gentle gyro]

5 big booms

[untold pewter]

@minor gust @flat willow

[fair tinsel]

would be funny in pvp

[gentle gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/costco-guys-five-big-booms-boom-gif-16319214973015367077

[mystic bronze]

Instant Demolish would go super hard

God damn

[untold pewter]

Let's go mate
If we managed to revert magic warbreaker we can try to be vocal about wanting a boom demolish

[gentle gyro]

I will make few calls

Makeawish foundation

[untold pewter]

Get on that post and say "Yes please" it'll help trust

[fast warren]

trying a new plater profile and can't figure out how to move / edit this personal health bar thats part of the profile if anyone has any experience with that

[civic temple]

Arms
Mortal Wounds now triggers from Mortal Strike and Slam (was Mortal Strike and Cleave).

We are sending the slam anyway for free from FoB as we are cleaving on 3+, or is that not counting? I see people mentioning a slight AoE nerf but realistically with high crit it doesnt change much? Also we weave MS during AoE inside that 8sec window and Bladestorm sends the 2 Extra MS

[mystic bronze]

The Slam only hits your main target, no?

[untold pewter]

We are sending the slam anyway for free from FoB as we are cleaving on 3+, or is that not counting?
What do you mean?

We are doing both of those things at the same time

Cleaving on 3+ which sends the free slam from FoB

[fair tinsel]

Instant demolish would get cried back to a cast due to pvp

110%$

110%*

[mystic bronze]

In my head that change reads as we only getting half as many mortal wounds

[civic temple]

Right so it's the deep wounds application that is getting a hit, not the cut to the bones bleed dmg uptime

gotcha

[mystic bronze]

Because instead of 4 from cleave, we get 2 from slam with one cleave cast

[flat willow]

can't upvote the post cuz it's us and blizzard hates europe

[civic temple]

Have they said anything on the new Reap the Storm tooltip not showing an 8mob target cap?

[molten glacier]

I got a crafted back so 100% i will gry the back first😂

[wraith scaffold]

Hey guys new warrior I was curious why we take wrecking throw over shockwave feels like aoe stun is somewhat useful 🤔 I'm playing colos

[untold pewter]

You can do whichever fits best for what you're doing

Or even get both

My M+ build has both

[wraith scaffold]

What are you replacing to run both

[wraith scaffold]

I see I'd have to replace stance mastery and second wind 🤔

I like having a ranged silenced sounds nice

[untold pewter]

Stance mastery isn't affected by this specifically

Second wind is

It's all on the upper side of the tree

[wraith scaffold]

yeah no I was thinking what I have specced rn

This the build I've been following

[untold pewter]

Yeah I'd trade posthaste and second wind for shockwave + improved shockwave

Posthaste isn't that great for keys when you're stuck behind your tank anyway

*fast footwork

[wraith scaffold]

makes sense

I like this actually

do you get earthquaker or boneshatter in hero tree then

[untold pewter]

And stopping multiple casts from going off is virtually more "healing" (by preventing damage) than second wind

I get earthquaker

[wraith scaffold]

very low cd shockwave ic

[untold pewter]

Pugs don't kick mate, it helps to have this on every pack xD

[wraith scaffold]

How noticeable is the loss of stance mastery tho

[untold pewter]

You can wrecking throw 1 kick + pummel + shockwave + stormbolt

Honestly I don't have an argument for stance mastery vs crushing force
I just think my ST is so abysmal I have to take CF

[wraith scaffold]

whats cd stand for

cf*

[untold pewter]

crushing force

[wraith scaffold]

ah

[untold pewter]

I reckon if I needed more survivability I'd take stance mastery for the defensive stance portion

[wraith scaffold]

So something like this?

[untold pewter]

Yup

[mystic bronze]

That's the spec

[wraith scaffold]

I'll try it

What about spec tree looks right?

[mystic bronze]

Battlelord

You're missing

[untold pewter]

I run battlelord instead of martial prowess
Otherwise it's the same

[mystic bronze]

Yeah, same

[untold pewter]

Oh wait

I don't run overpowering finish either

[mystic bronze]

Deep Wounds instead of Overpower Finish

[untold pewter]

CcEAjLzRlq54bI5v+r8Sr9Xw4jZmxsMzMzYGAAAghphxwMbLzMzMjZGzMAAAAAGbmB2iBsZGDLwAzoNaMYBYGMGMbmtBzMAgZmhB

[mystic bronze]

Oh you're running Blood Surge instead of Deep Wounds

[untold pewter]

Yeah just to ensure I can spam cleave without worry

And I figured I wasn`t benefitting much from col execute

[mystic bronze]

It's probably a lot more comfortable with the extra rage, but I've never really struggled with rage except for on st

[untold pewter]

I guess we'll have less cleaves to spam now with .5 though so we'll see

[gentle gyro]

Has anyone played Col on 12.0.5 PTR?

[untold pewter]

Aight yall have a nice Sunday I'm dipping
Go talk shit about demolish animation pls
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/please-improve-demolish-animationsound-feedback/2293714

[gentle gyro]

like every other demo is without CS?

[untold pewter]

Yeah essentially 1 free demo between CS

[mystic bronze]

Sending them on CD

[brittle rock]

i think blizzard should return the gul'dan trinket back

so the spec will be a full channelfest

[slow saddle]

sweep hits 2 targets

[brittle rock]

puzzlebos => gulan => demolish => bladestorm

[slow saddle]

also keep in mind this actually buffs our funnel

like

[mystic bronze]

Yes

[slow saddle]

so functionally we are gettin better at ST and prio dmg in pulls of +3

thats kindda big ngl

[mystic bronze]

Which is why I wrote this #arms message

[slow saddle]

its not 2

its 3

cleave if im not mistaken

[mystic bronze]

With sweeping strikes, cleave hits 4, no? It removes a stack of ss

[slow saddle]

no ?

cleave hits as many as u want

[thick kelp]

fob removes the ss stack

[slow saddle]

fob removes stack

[mystic bronze]

Oh, why did I think it was 3?

[thick kelp]

actually its capped soft or hard, no clue

[mystic bronze]

it's the slam that removes, okay

It deals less damage beyond 5 targets

apparently

Somehow I thought it was 3

[slow saddle]

Soft 5

still fucks

[mystic bronze]

ya

[gentle gyro]

damn

Is that even good?

I damn hope so

[mystic bronze]

Should be

[gentle gyro]

Still should've buffed demo

and nerfed cleave

[fair tinsel]

as long as there is some interaction with a buff so I can kill players in a stormbolt

bring back real engineering bombs too, I miss using gunpowder charges in legion pvp

[wraith scaffold]

@untold pewter really liking this thx man

[latent moss]

it got buffed

just not dmg

more casts of it

which was the wrong way to buff it imo but

it will feel good

seeing demo cd go from 25s to 5s in 1 gcd

[keen forge]

yo, you guys playing colossus or slayer in 10-12 keys?

[clever crag]

Collo

Its too good rn

[umbral sphinx]

I play slayer in skyreach and AA cause of boss damage

[keen forge]

ill try that, just did a 10 AA and my overall didnt really feel good

as collo

[void parcel]

would u still have to wait for colossus smash if it falls off before to pop demo after changes?

[umbral sphinx]

yeah the bosses take forever there

So colossus nerf on wednesday and slayer buff?

[wind flicker]

Collos is getting st buff

Pretty much will make it bis on every dungeon

[umbral sphinx]

cause of mortal wounds?

[wooden berry]

isnt the buff like 3%

[slow saddle]

7

And keep in mind it increases the.dmg to funnel target 2

Id say col is play easily now

[umbral sphinx]

where do u see that its a 7% buff?

[slow saddle]

Said by theorycrafters here

[umbral sphinx]

Isn't this getting nerfed by 5%?

[slow saddle]

Can u just accept the word

The slam dw is good for st

Keep in mind if 3 targets its even fobbyer

If 2 target reset of demo is mad

So like skyreaxh has 2bosses where u can farm that

Aa has some high health hard af trash

[cinder marsh]

So its a 7% buff to st and for funnel its even more
But how much we lose in aoe?
Or is it hard to know because of demolish cd?

[slow saddle]

A bit

I think arch said like 2%?

[gentle gyro]

agree

[slow saddle]

Mby a bit more

[gentle gyro]

Doesnt feel good to press

[slow saddle]

It feels good that it aligns with cs

So i disagree

[gentle gyro]

It won't though

[slow saddle]

It kindda will

[cinder marsh]

If its 5% at best on aoe then coll will be defaulted

[slow saddle]

With cs lasting as long

Cos u send ms asap

And batlelord

[cinder marsh]

Slayer bladestorm buff isnt that big to fight with coll
Unless im wrong

[slow saddle]

Nono

Slayer looses.more aoe

[cinder marsh]

Even woth bladestorm buff?
Thats crazy

Im always a collosus guy so i dont mind that tbh

[echo rampart]

The Bladestorm buff affects ST more than it does AoE since we have a target cap. Im going to enjoy doing 20% more Bladestorm damage during that CS window as Slayer. for AoE SS > CS > Bladestorm will feel good.

[slow saddle]

Its the ms reap loss

[echo rampart]

who cares, it didnt proc that much from MS anyway

[gentle gyro]

Petko told me to not play slayer so it must be true

Just kidding

[echo rampart]

heh

[vast helm]

Myth Dawncrests uncapped on 12.0.5?

[scarlet garnet]

Iis this what my cd useage should look like or should i be spinning more

[trail lichen]

Aoe Rot prio gonna change in 12.0.5? Or just the same even with rend changes

[dim basalt]

SS > CS?

Is that a typo or

[full pond]

hey guys, im pretty new to arms.how do i manage my CS and demolish being disjointed ontop of Avatar/ravage coming off CDs? How long should i be willing to hold up buttons for other buttons lmao

[latent pasture]

Need help, when i start a pull as Colossus, I do the classic opener : charge -> rav -> ava -> CS -> 3 cleave -> ms and then I press demolish. But sometimes after ms I can do another cleave, so what's the best in this situation : pressing cleave to gain another stack of collosal might, or pressing demolish anyway ?

[ionic mica]

you can spin more

is it ST or aoe? in ST you can spin as long as theres still a couple of seconds left on CS as the MS will extend it

[scarlet garnet]

it was just hc lura, was timing it on pull and ads

[ionic mica]

oh if you are trying to line up with adds then its fine

id probably just keep sending on cd but idk not bothered to do hc lura yet

the amount of bs being ready and not used i would just send it though

particularly on those first 2 as you got a lot of cdr from sudden death procs

[scarlet garnet]

roger

[kind stag]

pit of saron is such an enjoyable dungeon for warrior wowowow

[gentle gyro]

yes

[brave silo]

isn't it demo > 3x Cleave?

[brave silo]

should be Charge > Rend > Rava > CS+AVA > Demo > 4x Cleave > the rest of the shit

[wind flicker]

If u have funnel on first boss yes

Without it it feels kinda meh with a long ass boss fight xd

[last temple]

I know this is quite subjective, but how much of a difference is Colossus compared to Slayer in M+ and it is a must to take Colossus in certain keys?

[brave silo]

Colo = Mega Aoe but shit ST
Slayer = decent aoe, better with good procs. better overall ST and good funnel

people are just doing whatever but stuff like pit are good as colo as discussed above

[latent pasture]

Ok I was asking because this is the opener on the wowhead guide

[brave silo]

Maybe they do that to build stacks on the first one

[dim basalt]

Just build stacks before key start

[lost stag]

anyone else fucking hate the new CS animation

[native niche]

Well yeah but Colo will gain 8% St and 7% on two target while losing a bit aoe and slayer only gains 3% st and lose more and more aoe the larger the mob group gets so with 12.0.5 release it will seem that Colo wins if you can manage might stacks/rota/cd management

[kind stag]

Counterpoint

Slayer not janky and more fluid

Ez

[native niche]

Colo is easy aswell, people are making it more complicated than it is

[brave silo]

Yeah colo only a pain in ST. It’s aoe is very straight forward

[native niche]

It’s pain when looking at dmg meter but rota is still straight forward

I can only refer to Biz guide for the current patch

It will switch a bit with DW procc on Slam but not a lot

[gentle gyro]

[echo geode]

for both slayer and colo, cleave > overpower w/max stacks of collateral damage on 2t right?

and same with ravager buff?

[wind flicker]

Collos is super chill to play wdym

[kind stag]

ah yes 4 different cds to track, rend, ravager being ravager, cleave on ST, demolish locking you in place

very chill

[gentle gyro]

Don't even argue with him

[kind stag]

im not gonna argue anything i just think some people are deep into colo and are gaslighting themselves into thinking its easy and chill but in reality no one wants to play that spec/hero and there are straight up better classes that play way better

im glad for everyone who is enjoying it, i really am, but its jank and needs rework

[untold pewter]

Or you're just wrong?

I mean...

The class is good and strong

And it isn't complex

Opinions opinions

[kind stag]

arms, especially colo, compared to lot of other melees, is pretty complex

paladin, dk, feral, like they play way easier

[untold pewter]

While you're saying people gaslight themselves saying colo is good
The same could be said about you gaslighting yourself thinking otherwise

You see how that goes both ways

[stoic oyster]

would you guys take a 10% cleave nerf for a 5% ST buff?

[kind stag]

it would go both ways if there wasnt so many people with similar opinions

[untold pewter]

I mean mate

It is the arms discord

lmao

[kindred breach]

remove mortal strike, buff cleave, gg

[kind stag]

im not denying you the right of enjoying colo, but comparing colo arms to other melees is just wild difference in design ideas and balance

[stoic oyster]

nooo

cleave account for so much of my damage in m+ right now i would trade it for some ST

evn after the cleave nerf it still crazy

[untold pewter]

Comparison is the thief of joy

Personally I take it for what it is (I do think it's not complex and I do think it's quite strong for aoe, the ST is not hot though)
I don't really care what other melees beyond warrior are like but that's just me

[kindred breach]

don't think anything is going to change tbh, they would need to remake the whole spec

[gentle gyro]

It is not an easy spec by any means

But you can't convince some people

[stoic oyster]

colossus definetively more intricate "rotation" than many other specs, although i really liked the old collateral damage uncapped stacks from TWEW

TWW*

[untold pewter]

I mean come on fellas

3+ targets prio cleave
2 targets prio mortal strike
Keep rend up
Don't override sweeping strikes

It really isn't that complex

[stoic oyster]

it isnt its just more complex than others

paladins just 1 1 1 1 1 1 1

[echo geode]

for both slayer and colo, cleave > overpower w/max stacks of collateral damage on 2t right?

[untold pewter]

Yes for col
No for slayer

[stoic oyster]

i think 3t+

[echo geode]

so slayer cleaves > slam w/max stacks collateral on 2t? or not at all?

[kind stag]

yeah on paper its not at all, but in practice, while kiting, while mechanics, disengaging for stuff, swapping targets

it gets overwhelming

im saying that as someone who plays arms atm

[stoic oyster]

it does feel like cleave does more than MS sometimes in ST tho its weird

colossus complexity comes from positioning and limited range

how many here have got cought mid demolish cast and died or the mobs dont alighn properly or they just move away from you as you are casting

[untold pewter]

Yes cleave > slam with 3 stacks of collateral and also cleave > slam if the target is <35%

[kindred breach]

because mortal strike either does 30k damage or 160k, all the crit damage modifiers are just stupid

[kind stag]

im not comparing it to others to bring it down, im doing it because id like to see arms being brought up to modern design like some other specs

[kind stag]

gamba spec take it or leave it

[untold pewter]

Frankly I don't know if I want "modern design"

[echo geode]

okay ty!

[kindred breach]

bazinga design

[stoic oyster]

just needs a lot of crit, spec has always been about that

[untold pewter]

If Paladin is "modern design" fuck that mate
Boring as hell

[stoic oyster]

prob next season

[flat willow]

every other melee spec is slowly becoming ret paladin

just look at unholy

you should be grateful arms isn't a copy of ret ( yet )

[stoic oyster]

yeah no, theres fury if you want a more ret gameplay

[untold pewter]

Yeah honestly

[kind stag]

doesnt have to be that but it can be something inbetween, it doesnt have to be ret or unholy but it can be more fluid, not having rage issues, and lots of other stuff

[flat willow]

well "melee"

[gentle gyro]

Mine does 40k at all times so we coo

[stoic oyster]

i love that colossus is slow and sluggish but hits super hard

[flat willow]

can't really call unholy or ret a melee but you know what I mean

[kindred breach]

peak power achieved

[rustic reef]

Are there any special minmax stuff you can do on 2 target cleave or is it just follow 1 target prio with sweeping strike uptime on colo slayer

[gentle gyro]

like a wet noodle

Compared to what it used to be

[kind stag]

warrior is never gonna be ret just because its not a magical knight, but the fact that ret is zugzug spec at this point and does insaneo aoe dmg for spamming random buttons while we gotta watch for 5 different variables is wack

[untold pewter]

Frankly with fury being the alternate DPS spec on warrior
I think Arms fills a perfect niche for people looking for something slightly less braindead
While fury covers the "I don't want ANY complexity" needs of folks that still want to play warrior

[gentle gyro]

Still all your damage is cs + cleave

Demo feels like crap

[stoic oyster]

i beat two unholy dks on m+ overal yesterday and they were same ilvl as me, quiet proud

[untold pewter]

Bro how isn't spamming cleave after warbreaker zug zug?

[surreal spade]

nexus is slayer?

[stoic oyster]

i like how demo works but idk why they removed the small movement you could do before

[kind stag]

honestly id like to see them use the evoker breath mechanics for demolish so you hold button to charge up a giga slam giga crit giga bonk

it would feel more unique

[untold pewter]

Charge rend warbreaker cleave cleave cleave cleave MS demolish done
You did insane aoe

That is absolutely zug zug

[stoic oyster]

when in doubt, cleave

[kind stag]

but then we remember we need to watch stacks/buffs of this, things of that,align things, hold cds, like yknow what i mean

suddenly way less zug

[flat willow]

yes, that's the main difference between arms and ret paladin

[untold pewter]

Yeah thankfully we're not ret paladins exactly

That's not an insane layer of complexity

That's just

1 layer

[kind stag]

no one said its insane

[flat willow]

and by pressing cleave on cd in aoe

and pressing ms on cd in single target

[gentle gyro]

I just wish it did more

[kind stag]

fact is that arms is way less approachable than other specs

[flat willow]

you are already 90% of the way there

[untold pewter]

Right but remove that and we'll be doing what?
Spamming cleave without any thought process?

[gentle gyro]

More demo, dreadnaught, rend and less cleave

but gotta wait for TLT

[flat willow]

and it's a good thing that one or two spec can be slightly more difficult

[stoic oyster]

arms is slow and you kinda have to plan things out unlike other specs where you just send everything all the time pressin two buttons

colossus at least*, slayer is a bit faster

a lot faster

[untold pewter]

Yeah which I think attracts a lot of people looking for something less like Fury warrior

A lot of the Arms enjoyers enjoy it because we're not rolling our heads on the keyboard

That's not a fault

Or a problem that needs to be solved

[stoic oyster]

i didnt play DF but ivebeen arms since S1 of TWW and still love it, thru highs and lows

[untold pewter]

I've had my share of swapping to fury for raid prog but man I definitely prefer Arms

[stoic oyster]

arms is perfect just needs maybe 5% more ST and give the movement back to demolish

[untold pewter]

If the difference is relatively small I'll play Arms over Fury any day

[kind stag]

again, difficulty is subjective, spec being janky is a real thing, you or me or someone else liking it that way is fine, but it could use some work to be more fluid

[stoic oyster]

i couldnt get into fury it felt really spammy, tried it for a few days in S2 TWW and went back

[kind stag]

i do enjoy arms atm

but there are few bumps id like to smooth over so more people could appreciate it

ill say though i got disappointed by uhdk

[stoic oyster]

just give us skull banner back and we'll be happy 💅

[kind stag]

it being streamlined is fine it kinda feels boring with its cooldowns being be all end all

its fun for 30s then you press 2 buttons for next minute and half lol

[untold pewter]

Frankly I don't ever think about whether other people like it or not kek
Why does it matter?
Like... If you enjoy it that's enough
Why would you want it to be changed (when you already like it) just so it can be enjoyed by others? Let them enjoy the things they enjoy

And we know so many do enjoy Arms

We were just weak af, now we're alright

And getting better

But that's just tuning

[kind stag]

because at this point its obvious blizzard sucks at balancing warrior specs because none of can agree on it lmao

[stoic oyster]

tbh i thought it was just me for a while there until i found this discord

[gentle gyro]

was the least played spec in the entire game like 2 weeks ago

TWW prolly the same

[untold pewter]

You could've ended the sentence at "Blizzard sucks at balancing"

[flat willow]

they already have fury warrior, frost dk, unholy dk, ret paladin, havoc dh

[untold pewter]

lmao

[flat willow]

if they want " smooth " gameplay

[untold pewter]

Right but how does popularity matter?

Like do you ever care about how many other people play Arms when Arms ISN'T undertuned?

[flat willow]

was the least played spec in the entire game cuz it dealt tank damage

and not " exaggerated " tank damage

it dealt the damage a tank would do

[untold pewter]

Yeah actual tank damage on ST lmao

And losing to some in AoE

Like guardian

[stoic oyster]

it helps if you are able to pull a few mobs into the boss but you cant always do that

[untold pewter]

But that's not a design choice that's just blizz being shit at balancing

[stoic oyster]

but the 2T/ 3T boss fights, no one beats arms

colossus

[untold pewter]

Case in point, we're not there anymore 2 weeks later

[flat willow]

but again, there's like 40 dps spec in the game now

ret and bm will always be more popular

it's fine to have like 3 niche specs

[gentle gyro]

It kinda does imo

Public perception

Still not getting invited into +10s

[untold pewter]

Honestly I get invited into +10s or +12s without effort

Score speaks much louder than spec

And ilvl to an extent

[stoic oyster]

it matters if you are pugging, really hard to find a group when dudes like fucking petko keep saying your spec is dog

[gentle gyro]

https://youtube.com/shorts/vmb_-lKhSdM?si=VnTQn877RTkoZvZw

Sums it up perfectly

[untold pewter]

But the point is they were not WRONG for saying the spec was dog
The spec was dog

It's no longer the case though

[stoic oyster]

yea i saw that LOL pilav goat

[slow saddle]

I mean dk gets 5% better

In 12.05

Thats madness

[stoic oyster]

devourer too

[slow saddle]

Ye

[flat willow]

is it really an entire 5%?

that is pretty funny

[slow saddle]

I mean 5% when its allready 20% ahead

Aint bad🤭

[stoic oyster]

they buffin devourer and unholy lol yay DK DH again

[gentle gyro]

I am literally hardstuck at 3k it is embarrasing

[slow saddle]

3.3 here

[flat willow]

it's a whole lot you mean

I thought it was like a 1% buff to make the gameplay better

I wonder who the unholy dev is

[stoic oyster]

better to do it with your guild/ friends or start ouur own groups.. really hard to find pugs as arms

[flat willow]

and if we could make them play warrior

[untold pewter]

There's so much more to people not picking DPS warrior (in general, fury included) than popularity though

[slow saddle]

And how do we hire him for arms

[untold pewter]

We don't bring shyte to m+ mate
No lust
No bress