What if you took a mythic gaze from vault, would it be checked off the bonus roll list, or only using a bonus roll and getting a dup of that item would eliminate it from the list?
#arms
wide pebble
stable fiber
good players know that its good though
warm fog
What if you took a mythic gaze from vault, would it be checked off the bonus rol...
Nope, items you already have don’t impact it at all
wide pebble
Nope, items you already have don’t impact it at all
So you could bonus roll a dup?
dapper scroll
guys which is more played for m+ ? collosus or slayer ?
warm fog
So you could bonus roll a dup?
Certainly seems that way
It’s designed as a multi week bad luck protection
wide pebble
Certainly seems that way
That is…… not as good! Lol
warm fog
It guarantees eventually you get a specific item
Good use of it will give you crazy fast myth track gearing
dapper scroll
i heard colosus is better now
stable fiber
i heard colosus is better now
noting really changed
colo is still worse then slayer at dealing ST damage
warm fog
3 myth track items a week without even setting foot in mythic raid
wide pebble
Yeah pretty wild
dapper scroll
noting really changed
so slayer is better for mythic+
warm fog
Like if your guild wanted to have a couple of extra MM hunters for paladins you could do it pretty easily
stable fiber
so slayer is better for mythic+
slayer better in some dungeons, colo better in other dungeons
wide pebble
so slayer is better for mythic+
Slayer is probably all around safer for pugs
But colossus with a tank that will pull big and pull trash into bosses will make it better than slayer most of the time
smoky kayak
unless you just have zero faith in your ability to use Demolish effectively, I think Colossus is just going to be better across the board starting next week
pliant anchor
^ +1
last saddle
some pugs that isnt an unreasonable assumpiton
wide pebble
unless you just have zero faith in your ability to use Demolish effectively, I t...
You think in raid, as well?
last saddle
fuckass tanks
smoky kayak
we'll see though, Slayer will still have moderately stronger ST, but Colossus is going to be way ahead in multi
smoky kayak
You think in raid, as well?
there are a couple bosses you can leverage Cleave or Demo on, but raid is mostly Slayer since it's almost entirely ST (for Arms)
wide pebble
there are a couple bosses you can leverage Cleave or Demo on, but raid is mostly...
Yeah and I guess paladins will stay colossus, though idk, maybe with the bladestorm buff and the fact that most of it is 2-target, maybe slayer becomes viable there
rose ibex
at last a hero trinket :)
minor gust
unless you just have zero faith in your ability to use Demolish effectively, I t...
Very likely the case. At least slayer is still really good in keys compared to other specs. Just when compared to Colo that shit is likely to be overall better
cursive aspen
Are we changing anything in our trees to accommodate these patch changes?
meager ginkgo
Do we hold BS for add phases on most raid fights?
hollow herald
what trinkets are the best for arms
because i sim my self and say the trinket from imperator is the best
warm fog
Guidon and the vorasius trinket are a solid combo
dim basalt
I feel like vorasius is a good staple
dim basalt
vorasius / plume + guidon / puzzle box
hollow herald
yeah i have vorasius and the haste one from WS
jade ember
Gaze is p good too, no?
dim basalt
Gaze is good in raid, bit less in m+
minor gust
hope that changes in the future
Wouldn't count on it. Colo was better for m+ all of TWW. But slayer is still good. It's done 20s and will continue to do 20s so like if it's something like you just don't want to play Colo you can still play slayer.
I know I will
dim basalt
Frozenslayer
smoky kayak
Yeah and I guess paladins will stay colossus, though idk, maybe with the bladest...
Paladins is still 100% Colossus
- a good portion of the fight is actually 2tar, which Slayer is now worse at
I could see Dragons being ok for Slayer, as long as the adds live about as long as Bladestorm, but Colossus is probably going to be the more consistent pick
Saladbar could also go either way, depending on how much you actively cleave
nova marsh
Tbh if slayer was less rng reliant id play it more (says the person playing outlaw)
minor gust
Colo still just has better 2T so I don't see you ever going slayer on dragons
weak rain
How much we lost/gain st on pure st as arms? I've heard 2-3%, is it true?
smoky kayak
Arms doesn't lose anything in ST, it only gains
hollow herald
playing slayer no?
smoky kayak
Colo still just has better 2T so I don't see you ever going slayer on dragons
the sustained Execute kinda makes up for it, but again I do think that Colossus will be the more consistent pick
mortal rivet
I like slayer m+ 🙁
nova marsh
I like slayer m+ 🙁
And you can still play iy
I think slayer and colo are arguably the closest they've ever been
hollow herald
is any place i can go and see the sims?
minor gust
the sustained Execute kinda makes up for it, but again I do think that Colossus ...
I haven't even tried to play the ST/2T Colo build. Even with 2 CT is Colo still pretty dry without the extra SD procs?
minor gust
I like slayer m+ 🙁
Then keep playing slayer M+ it's still very good. Just not gonna be better than Colo
brisk frigate
Hi guys, can you please clarify on dawncrests usage - if i will spend 80 on craftable piece that is not bis then will the item in that slot be upgraded to 280+ in case of vault drop?
smoky kayak
with CT and Skyfury rage should be fine
rose ibex
Wouldn't count on it. Colo was better for m+ all of TWW. But slayer is still goo...
i just value being able to swap when i feel or for certain dungeons. I enjoy that they both have similar kits but play differently
wet scroll
Anyone had issues turning in this cracked keystone quest? I can turn it in even though it says I completed the tasks, there is no button to turn it in, nor any npc to go to...
rose ibex
Well you can still do that
yeah! and the tuning never ends
who knows what the future brings
mortal rivet
Then keep playing slayer M+ it's still very good. Just not gonna be better than ...
Yup that’s the plan! I’ll learn how to colo some day
rose ibex
its crazy how good the crucible is
minor gust
with CT and Skyfury rage should be fine
Was tryna cook a new slayer M+ with no BLord/BB. Took MP and powerful instead. Turns out BLord actually does a lot for our rage when you don't have a shaman. Equal in ST with a shammy but without MP build lost 2.5% ST xD
nova marsh
Anyone had issues turning in this cracked keystone quest? I can turn it in even ...
Click on the quest
wet scroll
nova marsh
It should pull up the completion screen
wet scroll
No button to turn it in shit is fucked
smoky kayak
Was tryna cook a new slayer M+ with no BLord/BB. Took MP and powerful instead. T...
yeah it's basically this, although you can swap the 1 BB for Overwhelming Finish
wet scroll
Did u click on it from tracking
Yes sir when I track it and untrack nothing happens, relogged, restarted, disabled addons everything
wet scroll
I just abondoned gonna do it again I guess lol...
slow saddle
i dont c slayer using Blord next week no
as u wanna hit OP more
it might just be better takin OP ?
wet scroll
Has anyone done the math on the buffs/nerfs next week for each hero spec? M+ is what I care about
dim basalt
Has anyone done the math on the buffs/nerfs next week for each hero spec? M+ is ...
Colo eating very well, Slayer okay-ish
native niche
Has anyone done the math on the buffs/nerfs next week for each hero spec? M+ is ...
This was posted earlier, seems like Colossus will be around 8% ST buff and 7% 2 targets, both heros will lose a bit aoe but still viable
slow saddle
not bad but meh, and any fight where arms shines just a little bit, id venture collosus prob is the play
dim basalt
Worth to note that colo might actually gain a bit
minor gust
yeah it's basically this, although you can swap the 1 BB for Overwhelming Finish
Yeah I was cooking with this. Since slayer is now gonna be cleave > op > Ms in aoe. Equal ST to the BLord build and 2-3% AOE gain.
And then OPP instead of FF
rose ibex
hmmm the cooldown tracker doesn't seem to work properly with sweeping strikes
mortal rivet
This was posted earlier, seems like Colossus will be around 8% ST buff and 7% 2 ...
Didn’t expect an aoe nerf
umbral badger
This was posted earlier, seems like Colossus will be around 8% ST buff and 7% 2 ...
whawhat i level does this represent
native niche
whawhat i level does this represent
Dunno I just saved the pic from someone else who posted it earlier not my data
native niche
Didn’t expect an aoe nerf
You have 1 free cast of cleave less on proc for example, slayer gains more bladestorm dmg tho
umbral badger
Dunno I just saved the pic from someone else who posted it earlier not my data
i see, that dps seems like a BIS calculation there is no way m+ colossus sims 77k currently without bis
i assume
minor gust
blord is fun
Blord build is still good. Any other build I've tried the differences are small. Blord build also good if you don't have a shaman
native niche
i see, that dps seems like a BIS calculation there is no way m+ colossus sims 77...
Yeah prob BiS from ptr
rose ibex
Blord build is still good. Any other build I've tried the differences are small....
we never do unless i host the parties 
slow saddle
still insane funnel
minor gust
Then stick with BLord. I plan on using the one I linked more since I usually have a shaman and I like having access to powerful for any of the dungeons with 2T bosses
nova marsh
Spire, seat, and pit are crazy for arms ngl
rose ibex
i love spire but the bosses are annoying
dim basalt
NPX is pretty good too imo
minor gust
Spire owns last boss bladestorm tech is great too
nova marsh
Spire owns last boss bladestorm tech is great too
....explain
minor gust
Only reason I will never play Colo in spire
mortal rivet
My guess is the stun?
proven veldt
you can just spin through the wind thing
dim basalt
....explain
You can ignore the wave thingy with bladestorm or demo
mortal rivet
But I assumed it would do damage too
minor gust
....explain
You can bladestorm the circle
mortal rivet
You still want to hit the knock up to remove the dot though
minor gust
It immunes it
minor gust
You still want to hit the knock up to remove the dot though
No you are immune
BS negates it all
smoky kayak
tbf you can just hit an arrow and leap/charge back down too
mortal rivet
No you are immune
Oh you spin into the knockup for the dot removal and ignore the stun
proven veldt
it saves you like almost no time, and can force you to hold BS when you wouldn't otherwise hold it, it's not the greatest tech in history
mortal rivet
folks don’t seem to get hit twice for the dot removal tbh
minor gust
Oh you spin into the knockup for the dot removal and ignore the stun
No there is no dot BS negates it all
rose ibex
wow i never knew you could ignore the ring with bs
nova marsh
it saves you like almost no time, and can force you to hold BS when you wouldn't...
Sure but it is something
minor gust
it saves you like almost no time, and can force you to hold BS when you wouldn't...
BS comes back on avg at the same time as the wave.
nova marsh
And free uptime is sick
minor gust
Unless you are insanely lucky with SD procs you aren't really holding BS
dim basalt
No there is no dot BS negates it all
But the boss puts a debuff on you you can only get rid of by using an arrow
Thats what hes saying
lime ruin
I don’t think it’s that big of deal you can just charge or leap anyway
dim basalt
But you should be removing the dot asap and not when the circle comes
minor gust
But the boss puts a debuff on you you can only get rid of by using an arrow
But you don't get that debuff tho
lime ruin
I demolish the circle if it lined with cds but that’s all
dim basalt
You do tho?
nova marsh
Honestly still kinda hate spires bosses
dim basalt
Because its not tied to the circle mechanic
nova marsh
Orc boy is so awkward
spring vale
Heart bird and duo are peak
nova marsh
Hrart is annoying
spring vale
Orc is ok
minor gust
You do tho?
Is it a dot? Or a debuff?
dim basalt
Is it a dot? Or a debuff?
Well, a debuff
rose ibex
the bosses aren't difficult. they just have annoying mechanics
mortal rivet
The dot comes from the arrows
nova marsh
Duo has a better hook mech then stitch flesh but still annoying
dim basalt
A cast the boss always does after the circle mechanic is over
mortal rivet
Not the moving circle
nova marsh
I like bird actually
minor gust
Well, a debuff
What does it do cuz guess I'm clueless on that. I've done WS on a 15 and never have had to care about a debuff
mortal rivet
Looks like a little guy kicking
nova marsh
Bird is just a fun Lil dodge mini game
mortal rivet
Just damage
dim basalt
What does it do cuz guess I'm clueless on that. I've done WS on a 15 and never h...
Just permanent damage and the only way to remove it is to use an arrow
So in higher keys you use an arrow asap when you get it
Cuz it drains hp like crazy
minor gust
I swear BS removes that
dim basalt
If BS removes it then Fearless should too, no?
minor gust
I would have noticed taking constant dmg
dim basalt
I need to test that next time Im in there
minor gust
Maybe
dim basalt
If Fearless removes it thats some crazy tech
nova marsh
Orc guy might be my least favorite boss in the entirety of the season
minor gust
But I've done it on a 15 so far that should be noticeable dmg.
mortal rivet
But you’d theoretically hit the arrow, and then hit the arrow again before the lightning clearing circles
dim basalt
You defo start noticing it in a 16
rose ibex
i like orc guy actually. Fun to cleave his minions down
just annoying when you get picked for his jump
dim basalt
rose ibex
Picks farthest every time
i'm usually always charging at him and sometimes hes been picking me
its weird
dreamy sandal
Guys what are we using to sim M+ atm? Just Patchwork, 5 targets?
nova marsh
Actually now
dim basalt
Guys what are we using to sim M+ atm? Just Patchwork, 5 targets?
yeah patchwerk and whatever target count you want
nova marsh
All of slyreach bosses
dreamy sandal
yeah patchwerk and whatever target count you want
Aight cool ty
nova marsh
Fuck that dungeon
spring vale
Samee
slow saddle
huge ass glaives 😄
nova marsh
1st boss is fine even though its an eternity (and those glaive hitboxes are jank(
spring vale
The laser robot is fun
rose ibex
i find this season is pretty good. I just don't like algathar
dim basalt
Bird is fun as Arms
minor gust
2nd boss is sleeper boring
nova marsh
Ruhk is genuinely annoying
minor gust
Basically doing nothing but soaking a laser and then dodge
nova marsh
2nd boss is sleeper boring
Yeah
dim basalt
Yeah dodge with vague indicators
nova marsh
Like half of srs bosses are just being afk
rose ibex
is there a way to track your trinket cd?
minor gust
Yeah dodge with vague indicators
We love when Blizz just forgets to keep doing things they said they would do from now on. Like clear edge indicators on mechanics
dim basalt
We love when Blizz just forgets to keep doing things they said they would do fro...
Fixed at the end of this season np
minor gust
NPX dread lords frontal edge non existent like hello?
nova marsh
Yeah those ones are also awful
spring vale
Theyre so inconsistent with adding indicators even within the same dungeon lol
mortal rivet
just annoying when you get picked for his jump
Always the furthest for each jump
rose ibex
Always the furthest for each jump
there has been a few times that has not been the case
mortal rivet
It’s when he starts prepping the ability
I’ve seen some failed bait attempts
But as a tank it’s consistent for me to get
spring vale
Great tanks bait the second* jump cause it does like piss damage to them
mortal rivet
Great tanks bait the second* jump cause it does like piss damage to them
Was gonna say how the fuck do you bait the first
Cause yeah I back out after the jump and it guarantees to go on me
mortal rivet
I think my favorite bosses are in pit
How do you like the second boss???
spring vale
Was gonna say how the fuck do you bait the first
Idk if its dyslexia or something but this hits me hard sometimes. I was genuinely thinkinh second and typed first 🙃
rose ibex
I dislike 2nd boss despite arms
rose ibex
So much downtime avoiding ghosts, moving pools away
spring vale
Season is a bit melee unfriendly for sure lol
rose ibex
But the pulls are amazing
spring vale
I might have warped opinions from mostly playing udk
rose ibex
Love big windrunner pulls
spring vale
The true ranged melee
spring vale
Seat trash is worse for me
rose ibex
Low timer
mortal rivet
And bad healers for first pull of seat
dim basalt
NPX has a good timer imo
nova marsh
Seat is literally one mob
rose ibex
I find seat to be pretty chill
nova marsh
That is atrocious
left shard
so next week were not gonna play colo the same as usual right?
mortal rivet
It’s the double pull when you’ve already chains and it’s still somehow alive
rose ibex
Or demolish or bs (I think that works)
spring vale
I just feel like the trash is so much more dangeroud in seat than the bosses by a huge magnitude
mortal rivet
Tanking nexus sucks too
Oh yeah the bosses are meaningless
At least in the 12-14 range that I’m at
nova marsh
Berserker rage
Tbh 90% of this is from rogue xp
mortal rivet
With a good group its such an easy key
Fuck the left side trash
rose ibex
Yeah i can see how that sucks
mortal rivet
Doesn’t matter how good the group is, I’m always sweating bullets
Like I can take care of myself but the others
nova marsh
NPX is my next key and I like most of it
rose ibex
People ignoring bombs sets me off
rose ibex
Stop being selfish help me kill bombs
dim basalt
Right side trash is super chill
nova marsh
Bladestorm mobs
rose ibex
I think my favorites are magisters, windrunner, and maisara
mortal rivet
Right side is chill, middle is chill if dps know how to kick
spring vale
I found out today that the purple circles that slow you on npx left side trash also does damage to everyone when you move
mortal rivet
It’s just the god damn seers and engineers
nova marsh
Besides the glaive oh my god stoo
minor gust
Bladestorm mobs
Be a nelf and just meld off the bladestorm fixate
spring vale
I was always popping horse on udk and running with it more than I should have :(
minor gust
nova marsh
Be a nelf and just meld off the bladestorm fixate
....
GOD
Evrey day i learn how good vanish and meld are
Nelf rogue lowkey is goated
mortal rivet
WHERES MY HORDE SHADOWMELD
minor gust
That's why all my characters are forever nelfd
spring vale
If we ever get atal dazar again in m+
rose ibex
Nelf rogue lowkey is goated
Never will I ever
mortal rivet
Also WHERES MY HORDE DWARF
spring vale
You already know rezan getting cheesed
mortal rivet
Cause shadowmeld and stone form are stupid
rose ibex
Also WHERES MY HORDE DWARF
You get earthen
dim basalt
Can you nelf the carry mechanic last boss SR?
rose ibex
Rip
nova marsh
Can you nelf the carry mechanic last boss SR?
Dont think so
minor gust
Can you nelf the carry mechanic last boss SR?
No you can't. But I watched a DDH just backflip shift back onto the platform after being thrown off
rose ibex
earthen should have gotten anything useful
dim basalt
fuck DHs man
brisk sedge
how does slayer raid build effects from 12.0.5 changes ?
spring vale
No you can't. But I watched a DDH just backflip shift back onto the platform aft...
Huge style
nova marsh
how does slayer raid build effects from 12.0.5 changes ?
No talent swaps
brisk sedge
% wise ?
spring vale
Havoc dh apex kinda sweet to play with
You always get double death sweep in every eyebeam
minor gust
Slayer still has the better ST
meager ginkgo
help me understand, we dont use your apex on AOE at all?
minor gust
No because of the talent fervor of battle cleave uses it for you
mortal rivet
*only in 3T fyi
peak saddle
after craftin emb. weapon and bracer , should we craft cape or neck? i have hero cape and champ neck
sand yew
Is there a tldr % damage changes for both slayer and colossus arms for st and aoe somewhere?
nova marsh
after craftin emb. weapon and bracer , should we craft cape or neck? i have hero...
Id sim to see whats a bigger gain but
Theres also a good argument to not craft this week
And wait till vault and bonus roll
mortal rivet
after craftin emb. weapon and bracer , should we craft cape or neck? i have hero...
Sim! I crafted back since double arcanoweave+mythic weapon simmed higher than crafted
smoky kayak
help me understand, we dont use your apex on AOE at all?
you talent into the Apex, you just don't cast it manually - Fervor of Battle auto-casts it when using Cleave
static garden
Does anyone have a video of them just hitting a target dummy ST as colossus, I gotta just see what were supposed to be hitting cause I feel like im following the prio pretty closely but my ST damage is wet noodle for my ilvl i feel like
btw im just following rend (if not up) ms > heroic strike > overpower > slam prio
vapid spire
Does anyone have a video of them just hitting a target dummy ST as colossus, I g...
Wet noodle is the expected result
smoky kayak
Does anyone have a video of them just hitting a target dummy ST as colossus, I g...
Colosus ST is just wet noodle lol
minor gust
Is there a tldr % damage changes for both slayer and colossus arms for st and ao...
No there isn't because Archi decided not to include them in the update post. Tldr it's all minor buffs to ST and minor nerfs to aoe
smoky kayak
though it'll be a bit better next week
minor gust
static garden
im unironically like hovering 50k but im ilvl 280 so i just gotta see if im mentally handicapped or if its spec
smoky kayak
No there isn't because Archi decided not to include them in the update post. Tld...
I didn't include because we're still working out the specifics
-# and because some people are still copage there will be some ST buffs eventually
smoky kayak
yeah, he and others have been continually messing with it
vast helm
buff master of warframe to 10% each stack
smoky kayak
while I get why some people always want to know, I personally don't think putting out hard numbers is overly important in a case like this
- if there were a big change, like major talent or rotation, or significant tuning difference (e.g. +20% ST buff lol) then that might be a diff story
- but in this case, it's just kind of small tweaks
also the patch isn't live yet, as pretty much always, I will put out a new update on Tuesday
smoky kayak
I mean it's a big buff, but in terms of how much ST Colossus does in the first place, it's not that big lol
coarse ferry
minor gust
Terrible tier list if it's saying arms is S tier for raid
radiant moon
smoky kayak
Idk that I'd call em S, but I def believe this patch is pretty all around good for Wars (in M+)
def not in raid
radiant moon
not too bad on last phase aleria hc
vast helm
like Superman said S means Hope
cursive depot
cries in Prot
daring prairie
Yeah we do fairly consistant, high damage to mobs. Okish in raid,v ery good in m+
smoky kayak
his video kinda makes it seem like Arms is S out of melee, because other melee are just bad
but he's also basing that off of the fact that it can be really good at Dragons and Lightblinded.... but saying its S tier because its good at the easier fights in the raid is kind of disengenuous
If anything though, I think it's more indicative of the fact that melee in general just isn't very good this tier lol
fiery quest
how bad is losing mortal wounds on cleave for slayer
daring prairie
me when a lura sawblade gives me a free taper fade and saws off my brain stem
just a little 2 much off the top
smoky kayak
keep in mind that his channel is pretty catered to casual content too, so when he says Raid, he's probably talking about N/H more than Mythic
minor gust
how bad is losing mortal wounds on cleave for slayer
It's made up by the 20% BS buff
fiery quest
like is it even better than having mortal wounds?
smoky kayak
how bad is losing mortal wounds on cleave for slayer
it takes a hit at higher target counts, but it's partially made up for w/ the Bladestorm buff
minor gust
Only thing that's hurting slayer aoe is losing the chance for MS to proc reap
smoky kayak
in terms of numbers, I'd say its kind of the other way around tbh
Bladestorm makes up for the loss of Reap, not the loss of DW
lyric pier
According to Archimtiros, for the Colossus Warrior to deal damage to the boss, it will need to take adds to boss, and they're calling that an improvement? really ?
smoky kayak
According to Archimtiros, for the Colossus Warrior to deal damage to the boss, i...
I feel like that's kind of a bastardization of my comments
fiery quest
especially since they got ST buff
smoky kayak
or at least being presented without context
fiery quest
and thejr aoe is crazy
minor gust
in terms of numbers, I'd say its kind of the other way around tbh
Makes sense
smoky kayak
so will high keys only see colossus now?
as long as you don't absolutely suck at using Demo, Colossus is going to be better overall, yeah
fiery quest
tragic
minor gust
so will high keys only see colossus now?
Colo is likely gonna be overall better but slayer is still a good spec. It will continue to be able to do high keys no problem
minor gust
If you hate Colo you can very much keep playing slayer
rose matrix
Lets be real half the people who play Arms only play it when it's better than Fury
minor gust
Just understand it's gonna be a lil worse than colo
rose matrix
So they will also swap to colossus
smoky kayak
Terrible tier list if it's saying arms is S tier for raid
btw he also ranks Fury as S-tier lol
lyric pier
The problem is that it wasn't just an improvement; it had so many nerfs, even though the warrior isn't among the best classes.
minor gust
Warrior is among the best in M+
smoky kayak
"it has incredible boss damage in how it handles phases" 
slow saddle
?_?
native hearth
Personally shocked a content creator would say something so bold and controversial
fiery quest
that is not incredible LOL
slow saddle
u asked When
vast helm
i really hope they can do something good change talents tuning on 12.1
smoky kayak
no content creator that tries to cover all classes/specs is going to be accurate
slow saddle
i mean but arms is like dumpster fire in raid no dmg wise
smoky kayak
even a lot of content creators that only focus on one class can't always keep up with each of the specs
native hearth
That Javier guy is actually a master of every class and spec sir, his guides are bulletproof
slow saddle
if u exclude the meme 3 boss and full time 2t cleave buff
smoky kayak
but there ain't nobody in existence that has enough time and personal experience to accurately assess 40 different specializations, it's just not realistic
slow saddle
then u should make a list based on what ppl that actually knows spec says ?
wait u cant
coz warlocks always sandbag
rose ibex
cya
warped spade
For warlocks, you listen to w/e they say and then bump it up 2-3 tiers
full obsidian
mortal rivet
I’d say’s tactyks is pretty good for all tanks
nova marsh
I didn't include because we're still working out the specifics
-# and because so...
Next season for sure!
Because then st will matter more
molten bay
Arms or fury for ST after next patch?
I've only played fury so far. Everytime I sim with arms it's significantly lower dps
knotty marsh
How big do wqe think that slayer arms nerf is ganna be?
warped spade
Next season for sure!
slow saddle
Arms or fury for ST after next patch?
I've only played fury so far. Everytime I ...
i mean
theree rly is no st
where u cant steal a bit of dps as arms 😄
rose ibex
Because then st will matter more
why you think that?
nova marsh
why you think that?
Its cope we dont get another pad tier
stable fiber
Arms or fury for ST after next patch?
I've only played fury so far. Everytime I ...
it sims lower but its mostly better boss dps
like how unholy sims at 130k but doesnt actually do 130k on vorasius
left shard
how do you parse high on myth fallen king?
shut blade
how do you parse high on myth fallen king?
kill orbs not boss
left shard
i seem like to be stuck at 80-90k dps
nova marsh
i seem like to be stuck at 80-90k dps
Pad orbs
left shard
u guys playing with cleave?
nova marsh
Or wait for wcl to make orb damage not count
left shard
or just cs bladestorm
stable fiber
u guys playing with cleave?
no cleave
i just go ethical spec and play ST and just fully hit boss
if you get good bladestorm cdr rng in the intermission and the boss dies right after the intermission you get like a 99 guranteed
nova marsh
i just go ethical spec and play ST and just fully hit boss
Being ethical dosent pay this tier
nova marsh
....colo on dragons is not ethical
smoky kayak
that ethical cleave spam!
also lets not kid ourselves, you're not going to rank on bosses 1-5 by being ethical, Arms or not
pulsar frost
also lets not kid ourselves, you're not going to rank on bosses 1-5 by being eth...
rank 1-5 is always etihical idk wym
stable fiber
....colo on dragons is not ethical
it definitely is lmao
smoky kayak
bosses 1-5, not rank 1-5
pulsar frost
no such thing has padding or being funneled PI and buffs or anything of the sort
pale mantle
....colo on dragons is not ethical
Wait a few weeks, everybody will be so powerfull that you will miss some demo
stable fiber
its way more boss damage/funnel on the bosses then slayer or either fury hero talent
nova marsh
Man im glad im not playing raid
pulsar frost
Man im glad im not playing raid
just need to play dreamrift and seocnd boss for trinkets then never have to touch it again
candid kindle
Being ethical dosent pay this tier
The never ending cycle! Go st->parse bad cus no pad->get shit bc bad parse->go pad-> parse good-> boss don’t die->get shit bc u pad and rl says parses doesn’t matter->Go st->
stable fiber
1st boss voidspire is kinda the only one where you need to be unethical to parse
pulsar frost
The never ending cycle! Go st->parse bad cus no pad->get shit bc bad parse->go p...
you make your 13 other dps go ST while you go AOE pad ez pz
pale mantle
that would be expensive
stable fiber
salhadaar if you get good rng and just hit boss its crazy boss dps, unfort most people just go bladestorm balls
pale mantle
is all we have 
ashen trout
think next week im just gonna send arms instead of thane fury pog
slow saddle
salhadaar if you get good rng and just hit boss its crazy boss dps, unfort most ...
i mean
in my guild
shits dead b4 it gets to tank
so dno what RNG u talking about
stable fiber
except
we are one of the specs that can use cds
in both the burn and outside of the burn
but if you dont get good BS cdr
its bricked
nova marsh
we have the lowest burst man
Lowest is probably law
stable fiber
the lowest burn is the specs that cant use cds in the burn
which is shit like spriest, shamans and hunters (2 mins specs) unless you hold your cds for the burn which is very very bad
spriest just happens to be really good on that fight cause its spread cleave
slow saddle
Prob just slam col next week
nova marsh
Man I dont like how much burn we have this season
Like half the dungeons have a burn
A lot of bosses
It feels more then usual
rose ibex
hmm sweeping strikes doesn't seem to do the alert for the buff tracker when it falls off unless it falls off from duration
nova marsh
hmm sweeping strikes doesn't seem to do the alert for the buff tracker when it f...
I wish theyd fix ss on thr cdm
Mine breaks constantly
rose ibex
I wish theyd fix ss on thr cdm
ahhh glad i'm not crazy
native niche
hmm sweeping strikes doesn't seem to do the alert for the buff tracker when it f...
I think that’s one the reason ppl like Biz setup up CDM und and get ArcUI to fix that
Seems like it’s working fine in that combination
ArcUI is ass without proper setup aswell tho
static garden
What does the arcui setup for sweeping strikes look like ?
nova marsh
ArcUI is ass without proper setup aswell tho
It took me a few days to put arc how I like it but
Its good
static garden
I'm following critcakes ui since I think it's pretty clean but I'd like a way to track sweeping strikes better
nova marsh
Also my cm stack tracker breaks often
native niche
What does the arcui setup for sweeping strikes look like ?
It’s just a clean visual that shows stacks when activated and then darkens when it’s on cd/not active
native niche
It took me a few days to put arc how I like it but
I just use blizz plates and will copy Biz string to use arc ui as cd and personal buff tracker for might stacks etc
static garden
Ah, I'll have to download and set it up, I'm following critcakes ui since I think it's clean, but it doesn't track sweeping strikes that well
untold pewter
@astral yarrow
So recleared dragons today with both our devourers in
Couldn't finish demolish casts
covert nest
Is Colossus still worth it in keys even if I don't have a shaman for Skyfury buff?
astral yarrow
nova marsh
Is Colossus still worth it in keys even if I don't have a shaman for Skyfury buf...
Imo colo without skyfury is mostly okay
But I haven't pushed high keys
celest iris
Colossus or slayer 18 MC
nova marsh
So I dont rage starve often
nova marsh
Colossus or slayer 18 MC
Colo in Mc always
Colos 2 target for first boss is just dunb
Decent sized pulls
Damage amp on last boss
celest iris
Cool ty
static garden
I think colo is better on every dungeon, except maybe you can argue skyreach, and AA...?
sacred summit
those of u playing arms in keys, what is ur overall damage in keys lower than 14s? and how is the tank pulling for u
do u guys always run with a monk and shammy? and what do u do for bosses u cant pull adds into
native niche
Colossus in academy with current pacing and lifepools is straight up trolling
nova marsh
Idk if it'll be tuseday
soft venture
i was gonna say do we ever get to play slayer again in keys after tuesday? I like it so much more...
nova marsh
(Also the lasher pack as colo fucks)
nova marsh
Colossus in academy with current pacing and lifepools is straight up trolling
Is fury better then colo for it
Cuz id rather play fury thane over slarms
And I must break the one trick
sacred summit
i was gonna say do we ever get to play slayer again in keys after tuesday? I lik...
how high are u pushing?
native niche
Is fury better then colo for it
I play 2 Warris, one arms(both trees) and one fury and for me personally 15-16 keys I have to say fury was performing better than colo in academy but maybe it was a group performance thingy
nova marsh
I just have the one
static garden
Ive had similar experiences, but in 15-16 tanks will not pull for you to funnel on AA, the bird boss and last boss are ass, but you can funnel and pump vexamus and first boss
native niche
Then you will be better off with colo if your gear is aligned with arms crit/haste
nova marsh
Idk man Ive had consistent performance on fury too
native niche
Ive had similar experiences, but in 15-16 tanks will not pull for you to funnel ...
Yeah that usually true, I had 2 runs on +15 with funnel on Vexa those were really decent but trash and bird boss take so long no matter the specc that colo still tanks time on last boss and you can get unlucky with demolish on orbs
sacred summit
I play 2 Warris, one arms(both trees) and one fury and for me personally 15-16 k...
also had similar experiences. ive been mainly playing fury so far but have been trying arms. am pushing 15/16s and it still seems like fury does better than either arms spec
but i am not playing with a coordinated team/tank where the tank chainpulls into bosses
native niche
also had similar experiences. ive been mainly playing fury so far but have been ...
I would say Arms does do better than fury overall and def will After reset. Academy just sucks ass on arms, slayer it’s kinda fine but fury seems more fluid in that dungeon
static garden
Yeah, I mean I think fury will probably perform better in like 90% of situations just because it plug and plays so well, but if you actually wanna do 18s and more where the team is more coordinated arms will pull ahead
native niche
Fury def can’t beat a good funnel Colo run imo
sacred summit
fury loses out to other specs like uhdk, devourer, ret, etc on big pulls like first pull in aa but i can catch up and beat some of them in overall by th end
native niche
Yeah, I mean I think fury will probably perform better in like 90% of situations...
Yeah I agree
sacred summit
Yeah, I mean I think fury will probably perform better in like 90% of situations...
yea. i thought from 14s and up arms would be better but ive ran some 15s and a 16 today and fury seems to still be better
native niche
Funnel runs in Pit can get arms up to 250k dps overall which is crazy good
soft venture
how high are u pushing?
im in 14/15s rn
sacred summit
Fury def can’t beat a good funnel Colo run imo
no fury isnt beating arms at all in an ideal scenario but seems rare to be in that scenario
static garden
Unless you're actively trying to push for title or whatever, I think fury will perform better for the majority of people for m+
native niche
no fury isnt beating arms at all in an ideal scenario but seems rare to be in th...
+16-17 seems to be the threshold where tanks atleast try to engage funnel scenarios more often but it’s still a dice roll especially in pugs
sacred summit
i want to play and practice arms but its pretty ass in lower keys
and in higher keys i need a monk and shammy with coordination
and im less practiced as arms cuz it doesnt perform in lower keys or pugs
static garden
But if you're playing in a coordinated setting you will get better results playing arms
old glacier
What is the the "perfect" comp for us arms warriors in m+?
sacred summit
+16-17 seems to be the threshold where tanks atleast try to engage funnel scenar...
yea. esp since from 16 and up it gets really tight and u cant just faceroll with more damage as easily
native niche
Unless you're actively trying to push for title or whatever, I think fury will p...
Either that or Slayer Arms which is piss easy to play and if it doesn’t fall off with 12.0.5 it will keep the same spot I guess
nova marsh
I honestly still feel like its overblown how bad pugging as colo is
Its VERY rare you get a tank that fucks you. The only bad part is no funnel which sucks
sacred summit
I honestly still feel like its overblown how bad pugging as colo is
no i think its pretty fair. i think its overblown how good arms is for most people
static garden
I personally think shaman helps a boatload for arms for sky fury and fury generation, everything else is preference
native niche
I usually go slayer in pugs with subpar group comps from the get go, I rather improve time or finish clean in the sake of the group rather than bet on the tank to support my way better Colo performance (and fun I would have playing Colo)
sacred summit
im in 14/15s rn
u got a coordinated push team or smth? there shouldnt be that much of a difference at that level
and slayer might perform better at that level as well
mortal rivet
Is slayer for skyreach and AA simply because you can’t reliably funnel into bosses?
native niche
I personally think shaman helps a boatload for arms for sky fury and fury genera...
I see Brew & Resto Sham I apply - that’s the first rule of arms fight club hahah
nova marsh
I honestly feel like I do fine as colo
soft venture
u got a coordinated push team or smth? there shouldnt be that much of a differen...
ahh i wasnt sure, it just looked like they were getting a big nerf with the reap the storm changes, so I thought it might no longer be viable. I push with some friends, but occasionally pug too
native niche
So far I just raw dog pugged every single key I ran on my arms
nova marsh
But then again evreyone here is doing another universe of damage
static garden
Is slayer for skyreach and AA simply because you can’t reliably funnel into boss...
Ya, and the bosses are super ST focused
mortal rivet
(Comparison of all the buffs)
static garden
Like the bird, if you don't have enough ST you'll probably just brick your key
The bird in AA*
sacred summit
ahh i wasnt sure, it just looked like they were getting a big nerf with the reap...
i thought tuesdays changes are pretty small for arms
frail hearth
Colossus is pretty good and everything
Single target is lacking, but I believe it’s already gonna be fixed on Tuesday
native niche
Colo is def a skill game with stack and CD management. Biz explained it perfectly in his guide. People are too scared to pop smash/demo/Avatar on packs with 30% hp but that’s where u gain dmg/time and cd reset value which can catapult your own and group performance for the run
sacred summit
fury st is getting a decent nerf with the reap changes tho
nova marsh
fury st is getting a decent nerf with the reap changes tho
Fury still runs thane
🤷♂️
sacred summit
Fury still runs thane
the reap changes for fury affect both hero talents i think
mortal rivet
Slayer wasn’t too far behind
sacred summit
since reap doesnt proc off of ST rampage
native niche
i thought tuesdays changes are pretty small for arms
Colo gets 8% on ST and 7% on two target fights while losing very tiny overall aoe so it’s gonna be good I guess
mortal rivet
To the point that novix still has timed 19s as slayer
sacred summit
and we arent getting any other changes other than a bs buff so
maybe we will see more slayer in raid? idk
sacred summit
Colo gets 8% on ST and 7% on two target fights while losing very tiny overall ao...
what about slayer
what do the numbers come to for them?
soft venture
i thought tuesdays changes are pretty small for arms
native niche
what about slayer
Let me check one moment
sacred summit
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1495083673815613612/im...
thanks
native niche
Yeah slayer only gains 3% ST
sacred summit
ik the changes, i didnt know the overall
native niche
Bladestorm damage increase decreases the overall aoe loss but it’s still a drop from now
weak hemlock
So u guys recommend Slayer or col after Tuesday for a casual gamer dad brain?
sacred summit
Bladestorm damage increase decreases the overall aoe loss but it’s still a drop ...
ur talking about fury right
sacred summit
So u guys recommend Slayer or col after Tuesday for a casual gamer dad brain?
fury.
lmao
weak hemlock
Naaa
sacred summit
if ur a casual/dad gamer just go fury
mortal rivet
Fury is pure vibes, love it
sacred summit
ur just gonna be doing less damage for no reason
untold pewter
Arms isn't difficult
weak hemlock
Can't stand fury
untold pewter
Learn the prio
sacred summit
but if u want to play arms go slayer methinks
untold pewter
Bro col arms is braindead
native niche
ur talking about fury right
Nah arms aswell look at the pic from the dev notes that RMV just posted
mortal rivet
Learn the prio
I can’t get used to rend
sacred summit
Arms isn't difficult
isnt arms the hardest/most complicated spec next to enhan and spriest rn
untold pewter
Rend is only somewhat relevant for aoe mate
mortal rivet
Like I can do the rest of the prio but god damn it breaks my brain
untold pewter
isnt arms the hardest/most complicated spec next to enhan and spriest rn
I find that difficult to imagine
static garden
I think you use rend for ST as well, donr you
frail hearth
Bro col arms is braindead
Not really
sacred summit
Bro col arms is braindead
col arms is has more hoops to jump thru than slayer wdym
native niche
Slayer arms is faceroll, Colo arms need a bit practice for rotation and looking at stacks (rng involved with MS crits) and then it’s very doable for everyone
untold pewter
I think you use rend for ST as well, donr you
Rend on ST is a filler, 100% uptime isn't required
nova marsh
I keep hearing it lol
mortal rivet
I play both! Just I suck at tend uptime
nova marsh
Rend on ST is a filler, 100% uptime isn't required
....colo has bleed buffs
native niche
And Rend on Slayer is whatever, do it as a filler or don’t, only real significant benefit is tiny self heal
sacred summit
Slayer arms is faceroll, Colo arms need a bit practice for rotation and looking ...
except our rotation prio changes from aoe -> 2t -> st -> execute
untold pewter
But it's rather intuitive though
sacred summit
mortal strike and imminent demise be swappin prio n shit come execute or as soon as mobs die and there are only 2 targets
sacred summit
But it's rather intuitive though
in my experience arms is one of the least intuitive specs ive played so far
native niche
I think ST both colossus and slayer are super easy. Colossus can be a bit stressful if you are not used to it in big aoe scenarios with cd management when aoe effects are happening
static garden
I mean it makes sense for AOE, it ignores target cap, so it's big value, for ST I guess I can see it, I was looking at some logs for raid and high m+ and it didn't seem like it was prioritized to be kept up
nova marsh
in my experience arms is one of the least intuitive specs ive played so far
It never has been intuitive
sacred summit
im honestly surprised it didnt get more shit baked into the kit or get pruned
nova marsh
At least since df
mortal rivet
Warrior despite the few buttons have a surprising number of dynamic conditoons
Like we are Zug Zug but there’s thought involved
untold pewter
These are actually somewhat wild perspectives to me but I guess it's cuz I've been playing warrior for too long
sacred summit
These are actually somewhat wild perspectives to me but I guess it's cuz I've be...
figured lol
misty hawk
i tried colosus arms after a day of learning spec rotation watching guides and i must say the ST dmg is absolutly horendous a bit above tank dmg. am i doing smth wrong? i am fallowing wowhead guide
untold pewter
Col AoE imo is quite chill like
Cleave for many targets
HS/MS for 2 targets
Execute is kind of meme
There isn't A LOT more beyond this
untold pewter
i tried colosus arms after a day of learning spec rotation watching guides and i...
No it really is bad rn
nova marsh
i tried colosus arms after a day of learning spec rotation watching guides and i...
Give us a log but generally its literally the worst st in the game
native niche
I have played warrior in original classic, new classic up until Cata release and now started retail with midnight and I think warrior is still very easy to comprehend once you have looked at rotation and cds
sacred summit
like colo st is like
press cleave (an aoe skill btw) in ST only when ravager is ongoing, or only when mob is under 35% hp as slayer
idek what happens in 2t. do i just go full st or still use cleave
native niche
Overall PvE is piss easy anyways compared to arena, that’s where the real skill magic happens imo
nova marsh
Overall PvE is piss easy anyways compared to arena, that’s where the real skill ...
No
Get out
sacred summit
i tried colosus arms after a day of learning spec rotation watching guides and i...
no its dogshit
untold pewter
Our ST will go up after Tuesday
We'll have essentially 1 more free demolish between each CS cast
nova marsh
Fuck off with these pvp takes
sacred summit
7% buff and itll still be doggo
sacred summit
unless tank pulls mobs into boss for u then ur the best spec in the game
smh this spec
how did they butcher it this bad
static garden
Will the demolish buff be enough to CS demolish and get another one off before debuff falls off depending on how many mobs there are ?
native niche
Fuck off with these pvp takes
U mean facts, but I won’t bother u haha
untold pewter
Before the next CS
static garden
Unlucky
static garden
Guess that will be nice, right now you just perma hold it until CS
nova marsh
Mmo pvp is universally ass
untold pewter
Mmo pvp is universally ass
Lost Ark kinda sick but thats off topic
WoW PvP is pretty dog
mortal rivet
Mmo pvp is universally ass
Gw2 is solid
native niche
Mmo pvp is universally ass
That’s personal preference, but I can respect your opinion
sacred summit
who even plays pvp anymore lmfao
nova marsh
Gw2 is solid
Only one i might play cuz wvw
But I legit cannot stand pvp in mmos
Pvp will only ever be fun to me in games expressly designed for it
sacred summit
Only one i might play cuz wvw
lmfao wws just running around the pillar and healing themselves
native niche
Every perfectly played key/pve scenario doesn’t hit the same for me compared to a super clean setup kill in arena. My brain is just wired towards that haha
nova marsh
Every perfectly played key/pve scenario doesn’t hit the same for me compared to ...
And I respect that
undone lark
lmfao wws just running around the pillar and healing themselves
He meant world vs world from gw
nova marsh
You like what you like
untold pewter
Anyhow
I genuinely believe that if you set up your trackers right
(you just want to track: rend, SS, colossal might, basically that)
And then read the prio on wowhead and sit on a dummy
In <1h you're chilling on any Arms spec/talent combination
Simulate changing between multiple targets and less targets
Ensure rend is kept up
Ensure you don't override SS with the free SS from CS
sacred summit
Every perfectly played key/pve scenario doesn’t hit the same for me compared to ...
do u raid mythic
nova marsh
But I hate the idea of putting down others for liking pve which many people do like this
Wow pvp has too much cc
native niche
do u raid mythic
So far I just pugged heroic raids and a few mythic pulls but raiding to me is very boring. I need fast paces, so blasting through keys is more up my alley in terms of PvE
dire hinge
"putting down others for liking pve"
bold of you to think i put a single grain of salt into a PVP player's opinion
nova marsh
I dont want to raid cuz my schedule is trash for it
nova marsh
"putting down others for liking pve"
bold of you to think i put a single grain o...
Hroth being so eternally based
untold pewter
dire hinge
nobody can tell you how to play your subscription (even pvp)
dire hinge
half my friends are Housing Builders and have far, far more hours and dollars into this game as me 😂
nova marsh
Tbh half the reason i play mmos is because its one of the few genres with competitive pve
sacred summit
So far I just pugged heroic raids and a few mythic pulls but raiding to me is ve...
u shud try progging mythic or going for ce
just like how u described the satisfaction of setting up a perfectly executed kill in arena theres something about perfectly executing ur rotation while doing movement and mechs and downing a hard boss with ur squad
native niche
Only raiding incentive for me is to get vault slots, catch my trinkets and dip tf out of it
native niche
u shud try progging mythic or going for ce
just like how u described the satisfa...
Yeah I see what you are getting at but I raided too many Speedruns and raidleaded shit in heroic Wrath, I can’t be arsed with raiding enjoyment anymore. I like to prog through it once and then my fun dips into the negative
untold pewter
Yeah I think that was that
dire hinge
the barrier to entry for mythic raid is also a bit higher than pvp, i dont fault you there.
Not skill-wise, it's just a whole different game of herding cats, compared to 2s/3s/BGs
native niche
Mythic+ is super fun for me tho, I loved every minute of it, even bricked runs (not counting applying to get out of 6-12 keys limbo)
nova marsh
Eh I like 12s
native niche
the barrier to entry for mythic raid is also a bit higher than pvp, i dont fault...
Oh it’s def way different thing and I respect the hell out of stuff RWC players and top guilds are pulling off, just not for me to play myself
dire hinge
stuff also lives long enough for your CDs to matter
nova marsh
Yes that too
Ive been trying to finish outlaw for ksl
Then I finish warrior and season done
untold pewter
I am the guild and raid leader of my CE team (this is no brag, just to anchor where my perspective comes from)
Imo raiding has little to do with the game and more to do with the people you raid with
If you have a sick environment of fun people that are ALSO extremely competent and can get shit done, that's legit the most fun thing imo
If you have a shit environment where everyone is just "clocking in" to get bosses killed and then dipping, that's dreadful, I'd hate that
Managing a raid team is work though, wouldn't recommend 
native niche
12s are when keys get fun
The keys are fun, the gatekeeping rageheads in the group are not. I have not encountered any single flaming in any player direction above +14. The most toxic ppl are where you start to get Myth vault slots, so 10-12
sacred summit
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1495083673815613612/im...
lmao the numbers make slayer look so bad hahahahahahhaha
native niche
I am the guild and raid leader of my CE team (this is no brag, just to anchor wh...
Oh yeah I had really awesome times raiding with the right ppl, im with you on that
untold pewter
I can genuinely say a lot of our dudes are like "this game sucks but I love raiding with the boys"
And still put in all the work and perform quite well
Just to ensure we can keep doing it
Cuz if bosses don't die
nova marsh
I kinda hate this season
untold pewter
nova marsh
So I just want it all done so I can go back to gw2 nms and warframe
native niche
Team effort is the best if it’s voluntary and everyone is on the similar page
untold pewter
I kinda hate this season
I can't even get my demolish off on dragons
So yeah
Not the hottest season for me for sure lmfao
native niche
Just press the key harder
untold pewter
Bro everything is dead
nova marsh
Class design sucks, addon restrictions, easy as fuck,
native niche
untold pewter
For once I get to be princess carried by the DHs in the team lmao
dire hinge
Team effort is the best if it’s voluntary and everyone is on the similar page
yeah the most fun you can have is when everyone has the same mindset.
If you mix and match folks with different goals it always ends up creating friction for one side or the other. Instantly sucks the fun out.
untold pewter
Class design sucks, addon restrictions, easy as fuck,
Tbh the "easy as fuck" is a hell of a lie
These last bosses are still 300-500 pull range mate
That's actually insanely harder than some of the previous tiers
nova marsh
Tbh the "easy as fuck" is a hell of a lie
These last bosses are still 300-500 pu...
Im not raidinf
So
dire hinge
I'll happily raid on a casual team if everybody is big chillin, or push if everyone is trying, but the worst teams ive ever been on are the ones where 4 workhorses are carrying 10 folks who raid log
native niche
yeah the most fun you can have is when everyone has the same mindset.
If you mi...
Prob the reason why I enjoy pvp the most. I play with my brother and a really good friend and we are working together on creating new scenarios and gos. Def way harder to achieve that atmosphere in a bigger raid group but awesome if guilds can manage and achieve that
untold pewter
Ah fair I thought you meant raid
nova marsh
Raid feels easy outside of last 3
untold pewter
I only do keys to gear up and play with the boys, not a keys fan anymore
Done enough of that
Literally a decade of m+
native niche
I'll happily raid on a casual team if everybody is big chillin, or push if every...
Hahaha I feel that so much
sacred summit
do u guys think blizzard is gonna rework arms at some point this season or next season
untold pewter
Rather play Street Fighter 6 than push score (after I'm done gearing) lmao
nova marsh
I just cant raid
dire hinge
I only do keys to gear up and play with the boys, not a keys fan anymore
Done en...
join my on my 1-button rotation journey to 3k
nova marsh
And keys are fine enough
nova marsh
join my on my 1-button rotation journey to 3k
Bm?
dire hinge
obviously
nova marsh
dire hinge
would Johnathan LFR have it any other way
untold pewter
join my on my 1-button rotation journey to 3k
You join me on my climb to Ultimate Master
native niche
do u guys think blizzard is gonna rework arms at some point this season or next ...
Nah blizzard hates warriors, they have to take care of their favorite child til the end of days - Paladins just like every important character is/was a paladin in the lore
untold pewter
nova marsh
Nah blizzard hates warriors, they have to take care of their favorite child til ...
Misspelt mage
native niche
Misspelt mage
That’s just the caster version of Rets
dire hinge
it is pretty wild seeing how Ret currently works. I had a rant about it the other day, but legitimiately "holy shit what did they do to this spec"
one button does like 19 things automagically and you just push your buttons 1-2-3 as they're avialable
nova marsh
it is pretty wild seeing how Ret currently works. I had a rant about it the othe...
Yeah I hate ret
I cannot stand it
native niche
Honestly when they add a spell to warriors where you run around on a horse and use spells simultaneously. I will forever quit this game
nova marsh
Our mobility is fine so they wont
sacred summit
Nah blizzard hates warriors, they have to take care of their favorite child til ...
u mean mage
native niche
My eyes bleed every time, unfortunately DKs and Rets are too good in m+ atm so I have to look at it constantly
sacred summit
Yeah I hate ret
i love ret lmao
nova marsh
A. I dont like fake melee specs
B. It has nothing really going on
C. As hroth said the bonus effects on evrey ability feels goofy
dire hinge
it do be cozy tho
native niche
It’s like a buy one get two for half price kinda playstyle
nova marsh
Like
dire hinge
it's giving ddr mat
native niche
I would rather play MM and kick my feet up
nova marsh
If thry gave paladin a second dps spec thats more complicated then ret
Id actually play it m. Ret as as an off spec sounds neat
native niche
Complicated and retail doesn’t work together, the only thing complicated is to keep track of all the ways to earn low ilvl gear
dire hinge
it's giving ddr mat
actually, im gonna retract this
||DDR mats have 10 buttons, this is a disservice to the mats||
native niche
nova marsh
Complicated and retail doesn’t work together, the only thing complicated is to k...
🤷♂️
I honestly think how easy wow is still severely overblown
native niche
Ok real talk which bosses are doable in mythic pugs EU to get vault slots
I need some mythic trinkets for ascended voidcores
mortal rivet
lmao the numbers make slayer look so bad hahahahahahhaha
Yeah it looks rough in aoe
nova marsh
Ok real talk which bosses are doable in mythic pugs EU to get vault slots
First two in spire maybe chim
mortal rivet
Chim is a lot of coordination
sacred summit
A. I dont like fake melee specs
B. It has nothing really going on
C. As hroth sa...
i mean yea its crazy easy and probably overtuned af but it feels satisfying to play when u hit buttons
and its easy af
and i can clutch up if needed
nova marsh
I should also add
mortal rivet
Specifically intermission
sacred summit
Yeah it looks rough in aoe
i mean multipl ppl have said here slayer looks worse than it actually plays and from my experience its been true.
im sure top players would definitely play true to that % diff tho
native niche
First two in spire maybe chim
Prob gonna have to bite the bullet and keep applying to voidspire and pray for atleast 1 kill, Chim seems to rng imo (with pugs atleast)
mortal rivet
I play slayer in keys atm so I get it
sand totem
I swapped back to col for a couple keys and fuck me blind.. I missed slayer so bad hahaha
brave jetty
Is arms getting nerfed on tuesday? (M+ specific)
smoky kayak
no
rare kite
Is arms getting nerfed on tuesday? (M+ specific)
arms biggest weakness is getting buffed on tuesday(st)
arms bingchilling
will it have amazing st? nah but less bad
sand totem
So I run battlelord to fish for MS procs cause I like pressing buttons, but it means I barely press slam. This slam deep wounds buff is prejudiced against us battlelord enjoyers and I refuse to stand for it.
weak rain
I've assumed losing reap from MS would be higher loss than DW gain from slam crits and slightly stronger bladeystormy
dire hinge
So I run battlelord to fish for MS procs cause I like pressing buttons, but it m...
Heroic Strike is just Slam with sunglasses on, so as long as you're following priority you're fine
sand totem
Heroic Strike is just Slam with sunglasses on, so as long as you're following pr...
I have less presses of OG slam so less deep wounds procs >:((((
dire hinge
i wouldn't worry about it too much ¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand totem
What if we made mortal strike apply double deep wounds instead.
I see nothing wrong with it
weak rain
What if we made execute crits apply double woons
sand totem
Oh yeah that too
dire hinge
our bleeds aren't really that strong to begin with so im not sure doubling would really do all that much
may as well just double our auto attack damage at that point
sand totem
I cannot overstate here, how much that i am taking the piss
dire hinge
or make ravager apply it
weak rain
our bleeds aren't really that strong to begin with so im not sure doubling would...
tbh I think the fact that they removed cleave woons should make them buff bleeds, would balance colo vs slayer st too
rose matrix
Isn't colossus arms st going to change slightly with the patch?
stable fiber
Isn't colossus arms st going to change slightly with the patch?
buffed
winter hedge
Hey 🙂
I have a question regarding patch 12.0.5. Is the warrior class generally getting a buff or a nerf? I'm having trouble understanding; is it a multi-target nerf and a single-target buff?
stable fiber
Hey 🙂
I have a question regarding patch 12.0.5. Is the warrior class generally...
Arms: Generally just better overall, small aoe nerf for a small ST buff
Fury: Thane is pretty much unchanged, slayer is getting a ST nerf for a AOE buff but afaik still worse then Thane in AOE. (Not certain on fury)
Protection: Colossus Buffed but probably still worse then Thane
overall not too crazy, shouldnt shake the meta up at all really
winter hedge
Thank for answer ❤️
dire hinge
Can i use overpower even without being dodged?
yeah, it's just a normal spell. The Dodge requirement was removed many many years ago
Overpower gets 2 stacks, and every time you use a spell that costs rage it has a 30% chance to give you a stack back.
harsh field
ty
dire hinge
of course!
rain fiber
anyone has the tables showing the damage difference with the new changes in 12.0.5?
cobalt vortex
Hi, I got the ring set from Nexus Point Xenas on hero and the Eternal Voidsong Chain. My Sims say that the Voidclaw Gloves from Seat will be a big upgrade. The sim says that simming with the shadow procs might be innaccurate though . Should I go for the shadow damage bonusses or should I ignore them
static garden
I think the gloves are like 500(?) dps total over a 5 min fight depending on your uptime
Sometimes I wonder if it's better to have them vs just wearing proper stated gloves, I honestly think proper stats might be better just because you will never get perfect uptime but idk
I'd personally just ignore shadow DMG bonuses, it's probably negligible
wide wigeon
how much DPS should I be doing on pure ST with Arms Slayer?
sand totem
What's ya sim say? Try to be within 10% of it
foggy citrus
Hello all, i was fury for most of the beginning like everyone else, I crafted my 2h Polearm at R5 with Haste mastery like I was suppose to do, Now I've gone Arms, is it worth the recraft if my wrists/back are both hero and crit/haste. I was just debating recrafting another R5 Polearm vs another slot (274 I lv) but with Crist/Haste instead of its current (Mastery/Haste) thanks!
wide wigeon
sand totem
Hello all, i was fury for most of the beginning like everyone else, I crafted my...
I mean recrafting is super cheap, doesn't need sparks or none
wide wigeon
my single target is sitting at 35k DPS, simc says my DPS should sit at 57k, but idk if it simulates ST, Multitarget and whatever
sand totem
my single target is sitting at 35k DPS, simc says my DPS should sit at 57k, but ...
The sim naturally assumes single target unless you select multitarget
It also assumes raid buffs and consumes
wide wigeon
ah ok
I was just hitting the tgt dummy without any buffs
but still, I feel like Im missing something
sand totem
Run the sim again after disabling the raid buffs and consumes. Its a very large part of your dps. I sim over 20k difference with vs without
wide wigeon
Run the sim again after disabling the raid buffs and consumes. Its a very large ...
checking again!
Maybe my DPS aint so bad after all
oh wow, Im just 2k off sim
Im better than I expected
those 2k DPS is probably just the lower uptime of deep wounds and me not pressing some CDs as quick as I should
autumn nexus
I feel like my slayer ST damage is beyond abysmal too, I do good overall cos AoE is strong, even though it feels like Slayer may be dead next patch
wide wigeon
I feel like my slayer ST damage is beyond abysmal too, I do good overall cos AoE...
Cleave is much stronger on Colossus, but either works
autumn nexus
yeah but reap the storm gets murdered next patch
i dont understand how slayer can stay competetive
wide wigeon
I havent checked the tuning for next reset
autumn nexus
nova marsh
yeah but reap the storm gets murdered next patch
reap is kinda fine
autumn nexus
no more ms/exec
nova marsh
Exe is outdated
autumn nexus
kinda fine? :p
nova marsh
Exe's full functionality was restored
wide wigeon
Reap is not bad
nova marsh
Read this
wide wigeon
the tuning from what Ive seen is a net buff
nova marsh
Tuning is absoutlely a net buff
Slayer aoe takes a small enrf
But reap is not getting gutted
autumn nexus
this iis a bufff?
nova marsh
A net buff yes
autumn nexus
we must be reading the notes differently
nova marsh
Slayer aoe takes a small enrf
Read waht I said
Slayer aoe takes a small nerf
Colo gets a HUGE buff
paper dove
nova marsh
Both specs get significant ST imporvements
nova marsh
thank you
nova marsh
But like slayer loosing aoe (even if it is odd and I think reap SHOULD be tuned higher to compensate for no longer being on MS and thus a bit less frequent) is fine
Like slayer is behind, yes, but it's a lot more pug friendly
Slayer on paper looks worse then it is in actual content
autumn nexus
then u got things like 2 braincells ret paladins
nova marsh
warr is fine
wide wigeon
I mean, compared to Arms a month ago we are in a very good place lmao
autumn nexus
Im prolly having skill issues on warr for sure, but bit sadened about the slayer nerf, will just have to play colossus more and get used to it
Compared to arms a month ago, arms shouldnt have shipped
autumn nexus
Thats like saying we onyl got 2 scoops of shit on our icecream isntead of three, drastic improvements 😛
nova marsh
FDK is kinda fucked
autumn nexus
But yeah, I donno, I prolly just cant play it
dire hinge
both an still do quite well tbh, just gear and play what you want to tbh
nova marsh
I'mma be honest man
paper dove
did they remove the Execute proc reap?
nova marsh
comparison is the thief of joy
nova marsh
Yes
autumn nexus
means wowhead has outdated post
nova marsh
I just say look at the #updates-midnight
autumn nexus
but looking at that diagram/picture/whatever, is a bit depressing still
paper dove
Slayer is just more fun than colossus, and blizzard hates when you have fun except if you re demo or devourer
autumn nexus
autumn nexus
I main demo, cool to finally be not shit
nova marsh
I like both, but I'd rather play colo because slayer's RNG is pain
I mean also
Colo has several dungeons where it's like
One of the best specs for certain fights
autumn nexus
Im trying to find a fourth char, I dotn want to level a paladin and play ret, but UHDK seems doodoo and arms issuper niceto play, but it feels so ass to do nonexistant damage compared to my other classes
I for some reason just cant do good damage as UHDK, it is weird
paper dove
remove the demolish self stun and i would like it a bit more
autumn nexus
Picked it up now again, but it just feels weak
autumn nexus
so, so waek, and yhes >I know it was way, way worse
autumn nexus
dfemolish is an amazingly looking skill tho
nova marsh
Yeah
I just wish the range of the visual reflected it's current actual range that's been buffed like 3 times
paper dove
i mean demolish should feel like rampage feels, just be able to move while doing it and dont have a cast bar
nova marsh
It's kinda awkward hitting things that are like 3 yrds out of the visual
again
I still think it's overblown
Also very funny you say like rampage
because that also gets cancelled if the target goes out of range (or used to at least)
dire hinge
i mean demolish should feel like rampage feels, just be able to move while doing...
yeah it was originally communicated as being "like Fists of Fury", but then they turned it into the Fyralath weapon on-use (and made it AoE)
paper dove
because that also gets cancelled if the target goes out of range (or used to at ...
yeah hate that too there but at least you can kinda follow it with normal movement
nova marsh
Idk I jsut
don't feel like I run into situations wehere I WILL die or take unnessisary damage in demo that often
Espically if you have a haste proc or good haste in general, let alone talk about lust...existing
north lake
how much worse is slayer in m+ vs colossus
paper dove
don't feel like I run into situations wehere I **WILL** die or take unnessisary ...
but it's possible and that just stinks imo