is HIGHER
#arms
pale mantle
than 15%
lmao
also on S2 we had tier set that increased our haste
by a lot actually
stable fiber
looking at mediocre s1 logs
stable fiber
no this is live
stable fiber
18 sd in 3 mins vs 29 in 3 mins
maybe this guy high rolled like crazy
its not even a good parse though
stable fiber
95 parse vs 99
stable fiber
unless its like prog but who cares
pale mantle
my main is a DK that have a bug that deactivate our apex for 10 seconds on CDs, rng
so I know the feeling of low rolling
stable fiber
i havent had that bug happen yet
pale mantle
what is your dk name
stable fiber
all i know is that the 4pc for unholy is a dps loss on aoe
pale mantle
I can guarantee you that happened
pale mantle
see this shit
?
is dread plague tick damage
if it doesnt tick, your cant proc sudden doom and apex rank 4
stable fiber
i think
pale mantle
mograine is causing this
stable fiber
thats me multidotting orbs
pale mantle
no no no
pale mantle
orbs didnt spawned at that time
stable fiber
u sure
pure abyss
mograine is bugged so everyone switching to san layn i thought
pale mantle
and play just turned off
its there
but dont tick damage
no tick
no sudden doom proc
no apex proc
like how you parse like this
its rng
pale mantle
lol
pale mantle
ahh
pale mantle
wtf d
stable fiber
doesnt seem like it did
pale mantle
nah it didnt happened to him
otherwise he would not be able to parse 100
impossible
is a lot of damage missing
like a lot
tick damage is not the thing
stable fiber
yeah ok that blows
pale mantle
its what it gives you
stable fiber
yeah ik that
sharp goblet
I don't play rogue at all, but was curious, how so? I don't see many rogues in our pugs
pale mantle
also it can happens random mid pull
every rune you spend you have a chance of spawning a rider
and if that rider is mograine
stable fiber
I don't play rogue at all, but was curious, how so? I don't see many rogues in o...
ive heard none of the specs are fun rotationally, none of them do great dps, its literally only atrophic poison
pale mantle
he can bug you
so you bug on cds and randomly during the fight
its a shit bug
really bad
stable fiber
wow im seeing it now
our 3% wipe early in the prog
you can see it happen in the first burn
lol
stable fiber
he also was fucking up in a different way that caused a very dramatic dps loss as well
using guidon before recklessness pot haha
very very bad during lust
pale mantle
dk apex rank 4 is really really really strong, SD proc as well
so if you doesnt have those for 10 to 15 seconds on your cds
you are cooked
your damage will not ramp as it should
pale mantle
very very bad during lust
infinity haste
over 100%
also check minivel logs on vorasius
the last kill he had
he bugged really bad on his third cd
stable fiber
nah it just fell off there i believe
dot ticked off
checking replay
reapplys it at 3:56
actually dumb bug though
stable fiber
i didnt see it in replay
pale mantle
he had dread plague on boss
on the time window
if you check boss debuffs
actually
was on the add
safe dagger
if im pushign should i run colo or slayer?
pale mantle
hahaha
stable fiber
to be fair its like
pale mantle
the timings led me to believe mograine fucked him
stable fiber
reclear brainrot
pale mantle
just coincidence
stable fiber
if im pushign should i run colo or slayer?
if your pushing you can run either
depends on dungeon mostly
colo is better if you can tell a tank to drag funnel into boss
slayer is better if you just have a pug tank that doesnt drag funnel
AA with a pug tank i would run slayer for example because while you can drag funnel on some of the bosses, you cant for the most important one which is the bird
plush hill
what are the implications of wednesday patch? i don't really know what to make of them. especially for m+ - don't care about raid too much.
stable fiber
what are the implications of wednesday patch? i don't really know what to make o...
hurts slayer a bit in aoe, tiny buff in ST i believe
colo is also slightly hurt in aoe but with a much bigger buff in st
pale mantle
actually minivel is dumb, he casted festering strikes to renew dot tick rate
but forgot to outbrek in the first placve
wtf
pale mantle
buit anyway
BUG is there
can happen and if happens on pull with bl and pot
you ara cocked
plush hill
hurts slayer a bit in aoe, tiny buff in ST i believe
colo is also slightly hurt ...
so colo arms still way to go for m+ most likely?
thanks
stable fiber
so colo arms still way to go for m+ most likely?
depends on dungeon but yeah
dungeons with bosses you cant drag funnel on and also have harder bosses i would play slayer
dungeons with bosses you can drag funnel on and have easier bosses i would play colo
Pit of saron i would play colossus 100% of the time even if a pug tank doesnt drag funnel just because the bosses arent hard
plush hill
i play colossus basically every key except aa
stable fiber
2nd boss you can drag big funnel on
plush hill
im not playing with aug
pale mantle
0 damage augmented still 0 damage
intermission will last forever
and you healer will cry blood
pale mantle
2nd boss you can drag big funnel on
but adds dies before intermission
intermission is the problem
pale mantle
ha
plush hill
idk if farover can do +20 mc on colossus i can do a +17
pale mantle
I m
i mean
I m not saying is impossible
is just harder
without a good single target
and if you have a aug is -2 dps
tepid citrus
If I have a sham. I’m rolling Colo every dungeon😂
pale mantle
thats true
show these mobs what cleave spam can do
hahahahah I m watching biz +17 maisara
tank brought the whole room into boss
lmao
so he could do something
wtf also you could just pull the reanimatied warrior and let then reanimate
sharp goblet
wtf also you could just pull the reanimatied warrior and let then reanimate
ye that's a sexy tech
for funnel
safe island
colo arms
deft palm
Crazy some of th e numbers these top warriors are putting up
Biz constantly over 200k overall each run
safe island
i hate st. let me do aoe
pale mantle
biz always funnel on bosses whatever possible
weak wave
If Bladestorm is ready and CS still 15s away, pop BS right away or wait vor CS?
pale mantle
also his tank pulls dozen of adds to bosses, so he basically is never single targeting
deft palm
Youll probably want to stack them
dim basalt
If Bladestorm is ready and CS still 15s away, pop BS right away or wait vor CS?
wait for cs
weak wave
Thanks
hoary trail
Hey, on a pack, if you have a mortal strike proc up ? Would you rather use it over cleave ?
pale mantle
Hey, on a pack, if you have a mortal strike proc up ? Would you rather use it ov...
never
cleave > ms
with colo is always cleave > ms > overpower
hoary trail
Ok, and starting how many adds you would rather ms ?
pale mantle
3
weak wave
With 12.0.5 and Slam/HS crits causing Deep Wounds should we stack crit chance as high as possible?
pale mantle
never
cleave will do that for your
for free
and with 50% on top
one of the reasons for colu being broken
colu funnel I mean
that and colo stacks
deft palm
So we really need to funnel in order to have a decent overall? Im cooked on bosses
pale mantle
with colossus yes
deft palm
Overall suffers a lot but aoe im blasting
pale mantle
pure single target you are barely ahead of tank
and if that tank is a druid
you are in risk of losing to him
deft palm
Hmm im doing something majorly wrong then. Im never top. Im around 80-100k
wind hatch
With 12.0.5 and Slam/HS crits causing Deep Wounds should we stack crit chance as...
crit is already our best stat
but you'll still want to sim everything
dim basalt
There are a lot of variables that determine your overall and in lower keys its much harder to do well because tanks are horrible
pale mantle
Hmm im doing something majorly wrong then. Im never top. Im around 80-100k
average depends man
dim basalt
To be fair, you dont get good tanks until like 18s or 19s
deft palm
Yeah I do better anything 10+ and up. Anything lower its hard because things die super easy and 3 DPS are all popping cds
dim basalt
The higher the key level the better Arms scales
deft palm
Ahh okay
dim basalt
At some point you can pop CS twice in a pack and have it ready with avatar for the next pack
deft palm
right and my cds are wasted
pale mantle
exactly
deft palm
still have CS and avatar rolling
pale mantle
arms have a good burst but our strength is sustained
he dont go as high as some specs
but you go high and keep high
elemental shaman have one of the highiest burst in game
but that is for 10 seconds
after that their dps die
tank damage level
deft palm
Gotcha
yeah arms is a lot of fun im new so trying to learn
Still working on trinkets
Have Solarflare Prism and Gaze of the alnseer but they are low ilvl
But theyve simmed the best so i have them even tho the other trinkets win on ilvl
dim basalt
Puzzle box is good
pale mantle
I mean, its strong but I would not recommend that one for someone that is learning
safe island
shit box
pale mantle
its cd timing dependent
and warrior have a lot of cdr and that shit never aligns
you will lose casts of it
deft palm
Yeah that is a massive problem i run into
safe island
2min trinket is disaster
deft palm
in the middle of a key my cd management is bad and a lot of times im not using cds together
pale mantle
why not having the gaze and heart from vorasius
dim basalt
Because having an on-use is good
deft palm
I just try and make sure I never use avater without CS
dim basalt
But guidon is also an option
dim basalt
Stop spreading nonsense
safe island
if i use puzzlebox, don’t i get locked out for like 2 seconds and can’t do anything? i’ve never used it, just heard about it
sharp goblet
I mean everyone agrees that puzzlebox sims higher and is good, but most people don’t like to use it
dim basalt
if i use puzzlebox, don’t i get locked out for like 2 seconds and can’t do anyth...
ye thats why you use it pre-pull
safe island
worse than stoneidol
pale mantle
I mean everyone agrees that puzzlebox sims higher and is good, but most people d...
sims higher only on aoe
also
and not by a lot
its not omg its gaze level of fuckness
safe island
even if a mythic puzzle box drops, i’d never take it
sharp goblet
sims better for ST for me than any dungeon trinket tbh
safe island
colo arms is already complicated enough, especially in single target
pale mantle
sims better for ST for me than any dungeon trinket tbh
because warrior trinkets are gaze and heart
those are the goats
dim basalt
gaze is not that great in M+
pale mantle
dim basalt
Gaze has the issue that you may drop a lot of its use by not chainpulling
pale mantle
thats true
dim basalt
Which will be happening in almost every key
safe island
i think plume is really good trinket
dim basalt
Its still not a bad trinket, but defo not the best
flat willow
it's called the riddle of steel
pale mantle
biz did 253k overall with a heart and a plume on pit
puzzle box is not needed to clap
safe island
i just don’t want to make the mechanics any more complicated
pale mantle
any on-use trinket on a spec that have cdrs on CDs are qol bad
specially one you need to cast
and have 2 min
safe island
i don even used treacherous transmitter
but even though stoneidol felt like shit, i still used it
but i really can’t use puzzlebox
pale mantle
but even though stoneidol felt like shit, i still used it
it did damage at least
a lot actually
had a 1 30 cd etc
safe island
and that was back when weakaura existed
dim basalt
idol was usable while moving at least
and I believe a shorter cast
Damn so many options
pale mantle
on dragonflight you mean ?
dim basalt
holy I was insta invited almost
tribal river
slayer or colossus is the best?
dim basalt
slayer or colossus is the best?
atm, it depends on the key
tribal river
Does it change the way you play much?
umbral badger
just logged in PTR for a second to see if i can demolish twice on CS "i know you can just wanted to confirm"
feels soo good
alhough i have no idea what's going on with the interface
dim basalt
just logged in PTR for a second to see if i can demolish twice on CS "i know you...
twice in ST cs or aoe cs?
umbral badger
twice in ST cs or aoe cs?
AoE, but it is REALLY tight and not every time
dim basalt
AoE, but it is REALLY tight and not every time
Any specific setup?
umbral badger
dunno i just prio mortal strike to get the reset fast
so mortla strike 3 cleaves and then mortal strike
dim basalt
Youre not stacking haste via trinket or anything?
umbral badger
ahh no
i do have a lot of haste
my haste and crit are about the same in rating though "maybe 1100 1100 or something"
to be fair though i did not try to use any consumables or buffs so might be "less tight" with those
dim basalt
umbral badger
if the chars are coppied completely i'd give it a better try and give them feedback for any bugs and shit but every time i try PTR i cba with the interface setup and shit
teal junco
which arms spec is higher ST
latent moss
slayer
teal junco
having trouble with slayer fury on ST damage
looking to swap to arms
slayer might be the easiest way?
latent moss
i do more st as arms than fury but my fury doesnt have an enchant on offhand
and has 25% mastery
slayer fury should be more st but idk
colo arms has bad st unless u pull onto boss and let it funnel
frail hearth
Both slayer and colossus are good. Just play whatever you like. I personally love colossus
latent moss
he asked which has more st
and its objectively slayer
if u let them funnel its colo but that's not st
umbral badger
having trouble with slayer fury on ST damage
all i can say is that fury slayer in my opinion 'and i say that as a noob fury warrior" is the easiest warrior spec to play by far
but as far as i know it should be good ST
i think it even sims better than arms slayer ?
but arms slayer is more chill anyway so i do more ST with it
latent moss
it does sim better but i cant do sim dps in keys but then again i did like 1 slayer key and it was an 11
1 slayer fury key
umbral badger
it does sim better but i cant do sim dps in keys but then again i did like 1 sla...
oh yea but the guy message was "having trouble with slayer fury on ST damage
" so i am just drawing comparison between fury slayer and arms slayer
untold cedar
Which one of these are better for arms?
Murlok tells me the choker is best but wowhead says ribbon
for pve
feral breach
Always sim, ignore bis list, only use for trinkets as guidance
latent moss
Murlok tells me the choker is best but wowhead says ribbon
dont look at bis
it assumes u have all the other pieces
bis gear is just the highest simming combination of gear
u should always sim your character
dim basalt
guys what is the % of stats i should aim for
you just sim your gear
umbral badger
i find it funny that i still enjoy classic wow enhance shaman more than modern wow
dim basalt
philliam the goat is cranking
umbral badger
two hand is fun for enh shaman
umbral badger
philliam the goat is cranking
damn the man is actually going hard and here i am too bored to even log in
umbral badger
Still 2 dungeons left for +17 resi
nice man goo for it , for me i got depressed for "guild reasons' and now i am just enjoying some other games :p
sadge that season of discovery did not go on with something fun and new i enjoyed two handed shamans there
lone yarrow
I'd slam a SOD 2h shaman so hard if it ever makes it into classic+ or retail
ruby agate
Quick question, why does the prio for sudden death jump right up the list in execute phase for the m+ build
St it’s like 8th on list. Execute its 4th.
hasty pumice
philliam the goat is cranking
What am I cranking
My tank forgot to pull a mob yesterday
And gave me 0 funnel on forgemaster
I thought at 19 people played around classes 
forest eagle
My tank forgot to pull a mob yesterday
that dead did it
hasty pumice
that dead did it
Or 0.1% mobs missing after final boss
forest eagle
report tank
hasty pumice
Nah
forest eagle
kekw
hasty pumice
He also had a bad route where he killed the necrowhisper dude in front of forgemaster
forest eagle
He also had a bad route where he killed the necrowhisper dude in front of forgem...
ah thats it ye
hasty pumice
Instead of pulling him into the boss, caging him and giving me infinite funnel
forest eagle
u play colossus or slayer on pos?
hasty pumice
That would've saved the key, too
forest eagle
colossus best right
hasty pumice
Colossus in every 19 now
hasty pumice
The higher you go the better colossus becomes
forest eagle
thats insane
hasty pumice
But obviously they pull more towards colossus if possible
hasty pumice
In pugs I'd go with slayer occasionally, especially without shaman
wind flicker
Tbh i'd just commit collos
hasty pumice
Seat is great for pugs since you self cleanse yourself from every chain
Colossus without shaman means you're almost on cd charge weaving
wind flicker
So take a shammy 😄
hasty pumice
Otherwise you'll run out of rage
hasty pumice
So take a shammy 😄
I don't post my own keys, I rather play STS2 and wait for an invite
Only if I'm playing with people from the friendlist or previous keys we play our own
By myself? Never
wind flicker
So dont sign if they dont have a shammy
Also problem solved
I usually cant be bothered if there is no shammy because its just unfun to play
hasty pumice
So dont sign if they dont have a shammy
I don't need to shoot myself in the leg just to sometimes have a shaman
Just charge weave and the issue is solved
wind flicker
Next week u'll have shammies
hasty pumice
I often do have shammies but it's usually augment + mistweaver or random DD + resto shammy
So if I get augment it is what it is
Rather deal with the hand I'm being dealt than wait longer than I have to
Realistically it doesn't make a huge difference other than feeling a bit slower in ST
safe island
Reap the Storm has been updated – When Cleave hits 3 or more targets you have a 20% chance to unleash a flurry of steel, striking all nearby enemies for high Physical damage and applying Overwhelmed.
how much of a dps increase is this?
robust idol
Is there any general recommendations regarding whick M+ dungeon is best for Slayer vs Colossus?
remote talon
how much of a dps increase is this?
it's a DPS loss, because the actual change is that Mortal Strike no longer has a chance to trigger it
safe island
it's a DPS loss, because the actual change is that Mortal Strike no longer has a...
hmm
why isn’t that mentioned in the patch notes?
abstract sphinx
Is there any general recommendations regarding whick M+ dungeon is best for Slay...
bizz speaks about this in his guide/video
remote talon
why isn’t that mentioned in the patch notes?
it is, just in a roundabout way (what you quoted)... previously it said "Mortal Strike and Cleave when it hits 3 or more targets ..."
safe island
it is, just in a roundabout way (what you quoted)... previously it said "Mortal ...
oh well
limpid apex
Guys, does somebody know of the top of their head, the tuning numbers how much ST & AoE we lose/gain (if any, lol) when the Patch goes live ?
rich lance
How do you guys think arms will perform in 12.0.5
safe island
it is, just in a roundabout way (what you quoted)... previously it said "Mortal ...
but didn’t cleave get something added to it instead?
forest eagle
How do you guys think arms will perform in 12.0.5
good
rich lance
The demolish change seems pretty fun
forest eagle
demolish time
safe island
so overall, it is a damage buff, right?
ebon rock
Nerf for sure
old glacier
I've been kind of struggling to do great damage with the slayer m+ build in keys.
ebon rock
Nerf is big enough that I'm thinking if Fury Slayer might become relevant
remote talon
but didn’t cleave get something added to it instead?
no
safe island
arms is nerf?
remote talon
there are a couple things that are buffs (20% bladestorm damage for slayer, extra CDR on demolish for colossus) but most other changes are nerfs
like "Practiced Strikes now increases Mortal Strike and Slam damage by 15% and Cleave and Whirlwind damage by 15%." doesn't mention that it was 20% before
ebon rock
-1 less Cleave charge, 5% nerf on MS, Slam and Cleave for Colossus and MS no longer proccs Reap the Storm for Slayer, which is a pretty big AoE nerf
I fear Colossus might have absolute ass ST dps now
remote talon
I mean it already had absolute ass ST dps
ebon rock
Which makes me wonder if the shit will even be viable anymore 😭
remote talon
pure ST slayer build doesn't even do that good ST dps
old glacier
I mean we will be demolishing more often...
safe island
hmm then does that mean fury might be the better choice again?
old glacier
Extra 3s off the cooldown means what, demolish every 25 seconds?
flat willow
Slam applying deep wound and demolish cdr makes it up a single target buff for colossus
I just think you'll play colossus for every key now
safe island
hmm
forest eagle
I just think you'll play colossus for every key now
starting from wednesday
old glacier
But isn't slayer aoe buffed as well?
flat willow
No slayer aoe is nerfed
remote talon
Cleave no longer being able to apply deep wounds is gonna be a pretty significant aoe nerf too I think
flat willow
Cuz no more deep wound on cleave, no more reap the storm on mortal strike
forest eagle
pretty sadge
flat willow
Well slayer aoe burst is buffed, it's the sustain that is nerfed
safe island
then it just sounds like a nerf. how much stronger can single target even get anyway
abstract sphinx
is there like a fixed % of haste that slayer likes? it seems to me my sims always favour haste when i sim Slayer.. im currently sitting at 22% haste
maiden apex
feel like slayer st isnt even very good so its odd to nerf its aoe
abstract sphinx
dont assume blizzard knows what they're doing xd
ebon rock
With reduced Demolish CD, are we sending it on CD or still trying to play for an overlap with Smash etc?
dim basalt
With reduced Demolish CD, are we sending it on CD or still trying to play for an...
everything with CS
gentle gyro
old glacier
Normally they are slightly off as demolish feels like it doesn't come up as quick as CS. Should probably come up slightly faster than cs now.
viscid fossil
dont assume blizzard knows what they're doing xd
no they just dont know what to do with warrior, try out one of the other, actual good specs please =)=)=)
maiden apex
dont assume blizzard knows what they're doing xd
😆
ionic mica
no they just dont know what to do with warrior, try out one of the other, actual...
lmao
if you throw enough things at a wall, some of them stick
im sure if you take most of the specs people say are fun, and made it do lower end dps, they would change their minds
also arms is fun!
umbral badger
when i think about how many buffs did warrior recieve so far and colossus is still far below average "i think?"
viscid fossil
not even more fun, just that they put in more work to prune and rework classes so they overtuned them to get people to play them
umbral badger
it makes me sad to think about it
viscid fossil
arms is fun ya
umbral badger
4 big buffs and a 5th incoming to not even reach average
viscid fossil
fury is meh tho
granite stone
On the execute priority list why is execute at the bottom of the list?
ionic mica
oh yeah agreed fury is fun for a bit and then the endless loop gets a bit old
umbral badger
On the execute priority list why is execute at the bottom of the list?
cuz it is
ionic mica
when i think about how many buffs did warrior recieve so far and colossus is sti...
i will agree on arms since christmas they seem to be making random changes
starting with the OP/DN nerfs to stop us being insane aoe with that, and then the 3 straight nerfs to all our main spells for no reason
with the explanation of "we are nerfing the overperformers" with arms at the bottom already xD
umbral badger
i will agree on arms since christmas they seem to be making random changes
i don't know man the fact that the class was released SO WEAK it gained multiple giga buffs and is still week is mindblowing to me
ionic mica
yeah im not disagreeing with you
my point was they have no idea full stop
it isnt unique to arms its just more obvious rn and because we play arms
umbral badger
i've played the game for so long i hardly have any memories of anything being so weak it gained such big buffs and remained weak
ionic mica
if they reverted their triple nerfs to MS/Execute/OP and buffs to cleave, and aura buffed us at that point to be mid, that wouldve made much more sense
but they took us to a place where cleave was a ST button xD
viscid fossil
oh yeah agreed fury is fun for a bit and then the endless loop gets a bit old
i thuoght colo is a bit clunky when picking it up but that makes it more interesting lol
ionic mica
and nothing else hit hard
ionic mica
i thuoght colo is a bit clunky when picking it up but that makes it more interes...
as soon as i tried arms i started gear swapping
fury was fun for early gearing and raid but i got bored very fast
viscid fossil
not ready yet bc i kinda like raiding
ionic mica
but i did main enhance since SL so maybe it was too big a change
viscid fossil
but the sim says i have to get way better for gear to count so im good lmao
fading vine
I'm slowly starting to fish for arms gear from m+ now for the inevitable swap
mortal rivet
I'm slowly starting to fish for arms gear from m+ now for the inevitable swap
Same, just need a neck to drop
brazen lotus
Slayer Question: how come my bladestorm ist like 6% of my damage in singel target but in the raidbots sim its like 15%. do i have to do something else then lining it up with CS/Avatar/Trinket?
hasty pumice
Slayer Question: how come my bladestorm ist like 6% of my damage in singel targe...
Because bladestorm casts mortal strike if you're close. Blizzard UI doesn't show all damage instances of BS, only the actual bladestorm damage. The mortal strikes count towards the mortal strike damage
Whereas Sims list the mortal strikes coming off of bladestorm as bladestorm damage
Same for slam and cleave
Or bloodthirst and bladestorm on fury
brazen lotus
oh that explains it, thank you very much
slow saddle
my point was they have no idea full stop
No idea
Fury got aa slashed, not fury did 2 much st. But coz aa was to much of their st
With little compensation🤣
frail hearth
Am i reading this patch right…. Arms getting a nerf? I thought colossus ST was getting a buff
frail hearth
Thanks god
smoky garden
guys i keep getting flamed on for my ST on Alagetar academy +14
~60k on birdie boss
1st i got flamed for not getting good numbers on the first pad boss
am i doing somethign wrong or is it normal for slayer arms
brazen lotus
im just about to trash my warrior fr... single target is absolute trash for m+ and multitarget ist behind 6 other classes
is the patch gonna do something about it or am i better of changing class right now?
smoky garden
arms is cool but you need a proper tank to funnel adds in to bosses
so our ST can be relevant
mortal rivet
1st i got flamed for not getting good numbers on the first pad boss
Were you lining up BS for adds?
smoky garden
let me check
ionic mica
cleave funneling there should be large
assuming you dont have the other 2 full sending huge burst on meaningless adds (they will)
smoky garden
yes 1st on the tree 1m above devourer and unholy
mortal rivet
How much more add damage did they do?
smoky garden
mortal rivet
Cause only doing 1m more ST isn’t truly massive
ionic mica
sending bs on boss is fine, you mostly want cs on boss during the adds to let cleave extend it
ionic mica
i usually do more boss than add damage
if your dh is in meta every add set and sending collapsing stars into them though, not much you can do about that
mortal rivet
so i should hold cds to pad on meaninglles adds
If you aren’t getting additional CD casts it’s not pad
Like if you cast BS 3 times that fight it doesn’t matter (in regards to boss damage) if you’re using it on the boss+adds or just the boss
smoky garden
i see, thanks
mortal rivet
I think of it like when aligning CDs for a damage amp, adds means we can funnel much better
smoky garden
AA is more slayer key than Colosus right?
mortal rivet
For organized group, I’d argue that all pugging is slayer. Not sure that I’m right just I have 0 faith with lack of coordination
latent moss
idk i heard from people that in 17s pug tanks know to pull funnel for arms
sand prairie
Most tanks start to chain after i used colossus as like they waiting for in 17s dunno what u mean. 
latent moss
idk im not the one pugging but ive seen people say tanks pull funnel for them
hard juniper
Ive been treated like a princess a few times in caverns and pit
hard juniper
~60k on birdie boss
This is also really low, especially with a huge damage amp for all of execute. Im about 279 ilvl and end between 90-105k
smoky garden
273 here
sharp goblet
Your overall is also very bad, not just single target; 75-80k overall is not it
feral breach
Did you get the haste buff on the boss?
smoky garden
Did you get the haste buff on the boss?
what haste buff?
tiny sable
how do you guys open as collo on the first pull of the key?
hard juniper
After the tornados spawn, there are orbs on the ground with little arrows above them
Pick one up
Buff won't last till fire phase so just grab it right away
smoky garden
i tought thats for healer and caster to not get pushed by the wind
hard juniper
Just like 15 sec of more haste
feral breach
45% haste
hard juniper
Theres 5 and you cant stack them
smoky garden
thanks
feral breach
And i think there are 5 of them?
tiny sable
how do you guys open as collo on the first pull of the key?
never sure if im sendin demo too early or if i should get to 10 stacks
hard juniper
never sure if im sendin demo too early or if i should get to 10 stacks
Are you pre key pressing SS
You can press SS when the countdowns at like 5 sec left, then while they are gathering do like 2 MS and a sweep or two before your actual opener. Then you'll hit 10
sharp goblet
potion use is also a bit random
hard juniper
The 1st big gap is probably correct, because it's probably holding till crawth damage amp
Without looking at the log
Otherwise you normally end up potting the wind mini boss on the platform if you send on cd
latent moss
ye its lowk
the haste is a bigger dmg increase than the dmg amp
and ur cds align for the haste
for me at least
i usually swim in sd procs cause of insane haste
hard juniper
I usually have everything for the amp too and up holding for like 5-10 seconds tho
But I haven't been back there in a few days, we were precisely 3 shaman deaths away from timing the 19
latent moss
ye yday we almost timed 20 np but aug pug died and tank tried to salvage and died too gg
we dont have cr so we cables xdd
or w/e the cr item is called
feral breach
Soul something
smoky garden
thanks for the help
hard juniper
Tooltip is bugged on tww cables BTW. It still works even though it said no characters above 80
rancid robin
hey guys, about the next patch since we lost the DOT apply on cleave but we still have it on demolish. Are we sure it will even be an AOE nerf ?
Like the sim are for sure accurate ? Don't we win dmg with the big collosus refresh even with the -5% on cleave / MS / slam ?
latent moss
slayer is 3 4% afaik
torpid geyser
thanks mate
viscid fossil
i should watch m+ guides, TIL crawth has a dmg amp. if only the blizz frames were capable of showing important debuffs
🤡
latent moss
this sheet seems accurate with the numbers i remember fishy sending
ionic cave
do you have something like this but for fury warrior ?
minor gust
slayer is 3 4% afaik
From what I've seen it's only like 1-2% st for slayer
rancid robin
do you have something like this but for fury warrior ?
No sry, i found it on this channel yesterday
fiery pine
hey guys i cant read, are we getting nerfed next week?
viscid fossil
reroll now
minor gust
If you can't read then why should I tell you?
rare kite
do you have something like this but for fury warrior ?
what's a fury warrior
inner wasp
i should watch m+ guides, TIL crawth has a dmg amp. if only the blizz frames wer...
dungeon journal moment
shy cairn
inner wasp
so u play colossus unless pure st
which is uhhhh
basically just vor and alleria if not padding?
and beloren?
olive nest
sage badge
Arms owns
sharp tendon
Was yesterday with my devourer dh with a arms warrior was decent he could keep up on overal dmg was few k behind me
vapid goblet
cursive aspen
Any changes with the talent trees with the upcoming patch?
livid pendant
Silly question, in keys rocking col. arms are we sending demolish on cooldown. (If avatar/rav is still deep in cooldown) ?
pale glade
w/ CS yes and 10 stacks. In a cold opener you may not get to 10 stacks but should hit ~5, make sure to send so last hit lands before CS fades
livid pendant
w/ CS yes and 10 stacks. In a cold opener you may not get to 10 stacks but shou...
That makes sense, thank you bearnie
dim basalt
That makes sense, thank you bearnie
In a cold opener you send demo directly after cs
It deals enough damage without any stacks
timber marsh
plucky fiber
In a cold opener you send demo directly after cs
really? ive been getting rid of the free cleaves first
fast warren
why not cleave/ms a few times for stacks? would CS not still be up on targets for the demo
oblique atlas
you should be able to sweep at least one mortal strike to get some stack I usually just go sweep in with ms, op , ms and then see how far I got
brisk sedge
do we have % aoe and st changes for 12.0.5 ?
oblique atlas
col gives dmg taken increas so it makes sence to hold cleave for after it goes off plus it rips some stacks back as well
ms gives stacks if it crits, with sweep you can get up to 4 if you lucky from one ms, if you can manage to op and refresh ms and hit again you can get pretty far, you can get up to 9 stacks within 4 gdcs when ending with cleave after 2nd ms
2 stacks*
oblique atlas
it is for ST
slight debuff for mt but it seems to neglegible
you can just do less by messing it up rather than the nerf
sweet crest
Well the aoe really good and the single shit
oblique atlas
yea, seems like they give us about 10-12 ish I think in ST
sweet crest
I hope it will be good in m+
sweet crest
What about fury is he batter now?
oblique atlas
depends on what key lvl you play tbh
col is better in higher keys, both is just fine
sweet crest
17/16
oblique atlas
play what you like, the difference is whatever ifyou dont push high
col is the way to go most of the time then
you should be able ot have two demolish runs in a single pull
sweet crest
Yeah most of the time
oblique atlas
which is mad with cleave below 35% buff
you get a huge execute window for the 2nd demolish in higher keys on essentially every single pack
exotic horizon
Hello guys . which was the addon that show if herioc leap is on cd ? near your chrector ?
oblique atlas
if you can hold ravager consistently for those windows as well, its kinda crazy
sweet crest
Fury st a lot batter then arms lol
oblique atlas
Hello guys . which was the addon that show if herioc leap is on cd ? near your c...
you should be ok with using the blizz cd manager, can do that easily
sweet crest
Hope now it will be the same
oblique atlas
dunno about "a lot" but col is for sure lacking in st now
slayer is pretty alright if you run it with cleave
col is not that great
exotic horizon
you should be ok with using the blizz cd manager, can do that easily
True but the one in writing with more clean . i like it . you know which one is it ?
oblique atlas
mad in aoe tho
oblique atlas
True but the one in writing with more clean . i like it . you know which one is ...
I dont, sorry
sweet crest
Well for now I’m not doing raids just came to the game before a week from vacation lol
But I’m doing 16/17 keys
anyway its like 10-12% for st and -2 for aoe?
fast warren
8% ST is what i heard
brisk sedge
huge
sacred summit
dunno about "a lot" but col is for sure lacking in st now
i sim about 9k more in 1t 5m as mt fury vs slayer arms
thick kelp
True but the one in writing with more clean . i like it . you know which one is ...
itruliaqol
paper dove
https://mythicstats.com/dps is blizzard smoking crack or why is arms getting random nerfs again and dev and demo just get to stay there? especially demo
rare kite
https://mythicstats.com/dps is blizzard smoking crack or why is arms getting ran...
arms changes are big good. nice st buff and tiny tiny aoe nerf
arms bingchilling
paper dove
yeah col maybe, slayer just gets f'd over for no reason
and slayer already was lacking behind
limpid hornet
might be doing something wrong because my numbers were higher as fury than arms
rare kite
ehh maybe the gap has widened in m+ but the 20% bladestorm buff for slayer is very nice for raid
dim basalt
why not cleave/ms a few times for stacks? would CS not still be up on targets fo...
Because that can fuck up how stuff lines up after
ionic mica
aura buff would get a bit silly
reef glade
just buff it all
but arms is only getting buffed rn
even the st reap loss made up for by st slam deep wounds
ionic mica
buff it all -> do even more m+ dam -> not a caster so we are banned
reef glade
maybe slayer aoe slightly less now that cleave doesnt DW but also slayer in keys over colossus peplaugh
colo pmuch keeps full DW uptime from demolish
slow saddle
aura buff would get a bit silly
yeahi m ean
we can do an aura buff
that includes a nerf to cleave
😄
20% aura 25% cleave nerf ?
slow saddle
i mean
if u add 20% to our st
we are still behind uh and demo and hunter
in raid
😄
i think we sim like 100k now as slayer
rets like 116 now
so i mean
we would be a great ST spec then ofc and totally op in M+ granted taht
dim basalt
Finally i do a good dps on a skyreach +18 lol
As Slayer?
rancid robin
No collosus ofc ^^
slow saddle
where the F did u get funnel for bosses?
rancid robin
with a 74k avg on bosses
incap on 1 add on the 2nd boss, and for the other i use cd when there is duo target
minor gust
Not as much as 3T but 2T still doubles your CM generation
rancid robin
it does a lil bit for the collosus refresh :p
minor gust
even the st reap loss made up for by st slam deep wounds
Still have reap in ST since SD change was reverted just not as much. Slayer will also still slap in keys just Colo will be slapping a lil bit more now
slow saddle
Not as much as 3T but 2T still doubles your CM generation
Bext week
reef glade
yea ik only talking about losing ms
reef glade
only thing im curious about is colo better on beloren
slow saddle
Prob our only chance of doin something on raid
reef glade
and if you can get a 2t funnel especially
i would think so but i mean idk if demo actually does "that much" dmg on its own
unless u can somehow fit 3 or something
maybe just the extra 10% dmg buff to everything makes it better than slayer tho
minor gust
Demo is pretty meh dmg wise but you are casting it twice as often now at least
minor gust
Idk how long adds live on mythic beloran
reef glade
truegi
minor gust
But if they are up a decent amount of the fight Colo prob the play
spark mango
guys, what is getting added in terms of gear next reset, some say a higher ilvl wweapon or loot reroll
slow saddle
Both?
spark mango
how does weapon ilvl work
slow saddle
i havent seen em at any point discuss a delay
reef glade
bonus rolls for sure are next week idk if anyone knows when the ilvl upgrade is coming out
whether right on next week or some system that is timegated a bit more
will find out by tuesday
slow saddle
U find a core
reef glade
either way nothing really you need to know
reef glade
other than ur upgrading your weapon yeah
slow saddle
weapon
spark mango
ok but does it matter on which weapon you use
reef glade
as arms your only weapon?
slow saddle
yes
spark mango
i mean should i wait for mythic drop or use it crafted
slow saddle
Crafted prob fine ?
reef glade
it'd be about the same difference as now
slow saddle
like waiting for a mythic drop seems like dumb
minor gust
Are you limited to the amount of items you can upgrade?
Cuz if you aren't just send it on crafted who cares
reef glade
since its literally only 3 items i would assume not much
ionic mica
we are still behind uh and demo and hunter
I'm not saying it wouldn't be correct, it just isn't something they do sadly
reef glade
4 if fury
slow saddle
ofc not
reef glade
only weapons and trinks get upgraded
slow saddle
i mean fury gets shafted
used to free upgraded
now no free offhand
HAHA eat shit
go arms
south wharf
Do you guys prefer Slayer or Colossus for Algathar?
minor gust
I prefer slayer in every key but gamers like Cone have said AA is a very good slayer keys
graceful sun
Slayer every key ez
minor gust
Lots of hard bosses you need to respect
warm fog
Damn slayer arms feels so squishy coming from thane
minor gust
Whenever you feel like you need it can swap to stance mastery then you are unkillable as long as you use it correctly
dim basalt
Honestly it was my fault it wasnt 2 chested tho
ye
We played a pack right after 2nd boss and I died right after popping every cd
Cuz I was greedy
minor gust
Slayer does great dmg
reef glade
Bear afk or
inner wasp
swipe only run
minor gust
Bear afk or
Yeah that bear was like doing nothing compared to other bears I've run with.
Still easily timed the 17 tho xD
dim basalt
MC timer is so forgiving
All you need is a tank that can live stuff
Every key Ive bricked in that dungeon was because of the tank
Love how I caught up to my guildies who play at least 3x as much as me
vale warren
dropped but not in my name ;-;
minor gust
Every key Ive bricked in that dungeon was because of the tank
Lol yup. Funny enough we did a 17 WS next and the other bear we found was pumping dmg but absolutely could not live and refused to ever drop stacks so he died twice and bricked our shit
Then we decided to run his 17 AA and he proceeded to pull double ravager and brick the key
minor gust
He bricked my 17 WS tho can't forgive him!!! How dare he
dim basalt
Then we decided to run his 17 AA and he proceeded to pull double ravager and bri...
lmfao
double ravager is stupid
I guess he doesnt know because hes not a healer
minor gust
It ended up being kinda close. If we had lust for that pull prob woulda been fine
old glacier
Slayer does great dmg
Damn, I must be doing something wrong then.
daring creek
guys how much will we lose in 12.0.5?
slow saddle
0
nova marsh
guys how much will we lose in 12.0.5?
.5 are net buffs
minor gust
Slayer loses some aoe in .5 but doesn't really matter
daring creek
cleave nerf? no?
slow saddle
Power is the funnel
old glacier
But our gameplay changes a bit no?
slow saddle
M8 u got an answer
nova marsh
cleave nerf? no?
Yes but it dosent matter
dim basalt
But our gameplay changes a bit no?
More demolishes as col but otherwise its the same
nova marsh
But our gameplay changes a bit no?
You press cleave one less time and press demo more often. Not really
wind hatch
cleave nerf but literally all the other changes are buffs
wind hatch
op > ms i think
dim basalt
In aoe you will likely have another demolish between cs
minor gust
Slayer and Colo both got minor gameplay changes
daring creek
ok cool, you guys saved my day
minor gust
Not much tho
dim basalt
And supposedly you can get two demolishes within one aoe cs window
minor gust
Slayer just prios op over MS now and will take opp instead of MS
In aoe
Colo is just really slam over execute and demolish on cd
dim basalt
I still think MW on Slam is hella weird
dim basalt
Doesnt feel very "natural" if it makes any sense
dim basalt
Put MW on DN 
willow oxide
Wassup boyz, quick question: does the new bonus roll will "loot" 100% of the time. I'm sure I've read/heard this somewhere. (in opposition to old bonus coin who whole be "a chance" of loot, with gold, artifact power or other crap when you did not get an item).
dim basalt
Wassup boyz, quick question: does the new bonus roll will "loot" 100% of the tim...
Its a 100% chance on an item you have not received yet
sand totem
Follow up to that question. Is it only loot you have not received via the bonus roll? Or say, if I haven't gotten the cantrip gloves yet, are those a higher chance over an item I have won already?
minor gust
Doesnt feel very "natural" if it makes any sense
Yeah I don't understand lol. It's just bleed on slam crits it doesn't change anything so idk how it can be unnatural
I guess if your just used to DW from MS and cleave but like then execute DW would be unnatural too
dim basalt
Unnatural in the sense that Slam isnt a hard hitter at all
Thematically it was cool on Cleave and MS crits
But Slam is just...there
If the goal was to make exe worse for col it worked for sure
But as Slayer you almost never press Slam in exe phase
So thats just weird
nova marsh
Honestly
I still think colo needs something that just replaces exe
But is limited in use enough to warrant ep or smth
pliant anchor
colossus is still going to be M+ only in 12.0.5.? or it could be played in ST as well?
dim basalt
In pure ST prob still Slayer
nova marsh
colossus is still going to be M+ only in 12.0.5.? or it could be played in ST as...
A. Theres barely any st this tier
B. Maybe playable in st but slayers still better
warm fog
Follow up to that question. Is it only loot you have not received via the bonus ...
It appears the loot roll tokens have their own list and an item is only eliminated from that list when you get it by rolling
So if you use your tokens on say chimeraus, having myth set chest won’t eliminate the chest token from the loot roll
sand totem
It appears the loot roll tokens have their own list and an item is only eliminat...
Oh beauty, appreciate the answer
warm fog
Also means you can kinda game the system a little
Like if you don’t have myth chest but plan on rolling chimeras for gaze, I wouldn’t take a chest
Since good chance you end up with one from rolling on chimeras
minor gust
If the goal was to make exe worse for col it worked for sure
Not just for execute phase. It's also turning a required AOE talent into a ST talent now which is a big deal
stable fiber
i still dont get why colossus has 2 whirlwind modifiers
when it forces you into cleave
who tf looked at practiced strikes and was like "yeah we need to add a whirlwind modifier to this"
warm fog
Because warrior
quasi sapphire
Whats up of the stigma of arms = bad? Really hard to get on groups but when I spec fury invites are faster. Yet if I get in as arms, the meters tell a diff story
stable fiber
Whats up of the stigma of arms = bad? Really hard to get on groups but when I sp...
nobody plays the spec = people know very little about it