arms

[bitter escarp]

wild w

mythic gaze?

[rare kite]

champion gaze pulling me down

[bitter escarp]

no shot 89 with champ gaze

[rare kite]

yuh

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e1v3YGQr5mACDc51diq8VH

[bitter escarp]

im dyslexic

[thick kelp]

🥄

[rare kite]

real

we have like 3 platewearers hahah

[unreal river]

also like i am limited to m+ gear because i do little dps in raid and they dont give me items

i should just do pugs cba

[slow saddle]

Kek thats toxic ngl

I got mythic heart

[rare kite]

first 2 are very free

[slow saddle]

Coz its bis

[unreal river]

blood dk took the vorasius trinket

xd

[slow saddle]

I mean took?

Loot council

[unreal river]

ofc

[slow saddle]

Tanks dont get shit

[unreal river]

well

[slow saddle]

M8 sorry but if u arent gettin gear its prob u not class at least😅

[unreal river]

ye ofc im not a god

[slow saddle]

Like effort gets u a very long way

[bitter escarp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x2Wghu2RVLJhRgUtFy6DKR

thats so wild

[slow saddle]

Trying 2 learn fights, watch good vofs

[rare kite]

socket diff

[bitter escarp]

prolly

[unreal river]

to be honest i cba doing that this time around, the juice ain't worth the squeeze

m+ tho is super fun to play

especially colossus

[bitter escarp]

you can play col on half the bosses 🙁

[white berry]

You can play it all bosses if you are brave enough

[unreal river]

idk on heroic adds die way too fast

the padding adds

xdd

[bitter escarp]

ye, on mythic you can fully slam demo and pump

[unreal river]

everyone in my raid was full on padding for parses

[slow saddle]

I mean hx

[bitter escarp]

just pad first, assert dominance

[slow saddle]

Hc* who cares

[unreal river]

so everyone is holding cds and shit blows up insta

[slow saddle]

Bursty specs win

Exept like week 1

I got some pad

After that bb pad😅🤣

[unreal river]

i remember the golden days of tww p1

fury padding

insane

on the flying mosquito boss

those 2 weeks before the spec got nuked were golden

[slow saddle]

I meanxm8

Like fury is pretty ok on hc atm

And first 5 mythic wsrrior is pretty strong

Coz u cant just mindlessly killzshit

[tropic crest]

I had same problem. You cannot parse if 80% of raid pads.
On 1st mythic little adds cannot even reach the bigger one, they die from casters dmg

[slow saddle]

Exept chimera. But that place is hopeless

[olive nest]

This is not a good tier to parse

[unreal river]

i need to do m+ to get gear so i just went arms and committed fully, if i swap fury for raid i'll be crit/haste statted its gonna be kinda cringy

[slow saddle]

Its 1 neck

2 rings

Like wdym🤣

[unreal river]

all the crafted gear too

[slow saddle]

Also arms tech

[tropic crest]

^

[slow saddle]

Works as well

2perform well

Just more effort

[olive nest]

You can play your rotation well, time your cds for add spawns, & still get a 70

[tropic crest]

You can balance secondary with rings neck dw bro

[rare kite]

there's no fight that matters where you play fury. just go full arms

that's what i'm doing

[olive nest]

I did the same

Full commit arms

[slow saddle]

He want to perform and have it easy

[unreal river]

what is the reason for this?

[slow saddle]

Fury is very straight forward first bosses

[slow saddle]

Kill timer

[unreal river]

idk what the meta is on retail to get 99s in raid, do ppl do cringy parse runs where ppl dont pad to let the one guy pad and parse?

[bitter escarp]

wtf

[unreal river]

or some tanking tech to let melees have more uptime like on imperator

not imperator, the king guy

[bitter escarp]

who cares about parsing

hit boss do dam top meter win

ezpz

[dim basalt]

Depends on the boss, often you dont need cringe strats for 99s

[echo tendon]

i mean parsing is basically the topping the meter part of that

[unreal river]

parsing is same as topping the meter

[slow saddle]

Go into log c aug beating u with a wet towel

[bitter escarp]

tru, cry get better prepare for next week repeat

[slow saddle]

I will have u know ive parsed very well snd still got bomkee on meters

Range just so much better atm

[bitter escarp]

augs are a bunch of damage stealers smh

[unreal river]

yea thats because the spec is in an unlucky spot

[slow saddle]

We just have shitty st

[unreal river]

its so weird though

also the spec and rotation in general

fury too

[slow saddle]

Nah

[dim basalt]

I think Arms feels way better in Midnight

[bitter escarp]

i could be crazy, but it feels the exact same as it did in tww except no jug

[dim basalt]

Rage issues aside

[slow saddle]

Furys got great rotation

Just shitty cds

Tuning

[potent drum]

feel dumb to ask, but what is that proc called for the "overpowered"?

[unreal river]

you think mountain thane is great?

[slow saddle]

Yes

[dim basalt]

Tactician

[unreal river]

it feels so shit to me to play it

[slow saddle]

Very fluid

Then u rly dont know what are doing

[nova marsh]

THE CLAP

[unreal river]

doesnt feel right at all to use the base tclap for damage

[slow saddle]

U dont in st

[dim basalt]

Thane feels pretty bad in terms of gameplay imo

[potent drum]

oh so its just a reset of the overpowereed attack right?

[dim basalt]

Very overloaded

[unreal river]

you do in aoe

[slow saddle]

• 7

[dim basalt]

Some talents make Tactician stronger but otherwise yeah

[potent drum]

thanks bro

[slow saddle]

U press cleave as arms a million times

How can a 360 circle slam feel worse

[unreal river]

yea but cleave feels.. different? idk

also sometimes idk why when i tclap or execute

my character spams animation but doesnt do anything

like extremely fast animation spamming

and resetting

[rose ibex]

Slayer fury always felt funner to me

[unreal river]

or it feels laggy idk why

[rose ibex]

I guess i just like bs more than ava

[unreal river]

o same for me

[nova marsh]

I want to like slayer

I truly do

[unreal river]

slayer arms not rly tho

[slow saddle]

Opposite

[unreal river]

sometimes i dont get enough execute procs xd

[slow saddle]

Slayer fury is shit

[rose ibex]

Like, am I crazy or is it faster?

[slow saddle]

Coz of lack of slayer strikes

Arms slayer feels good

[rose ibex]

There's something about MT that just feels bland to me

I dunno. Maybe my brain is broke

[nova marsh]

And slayer dosent

?

[slow saddle]

Its straight forward

[rose ibex]

Slayer gets fun spin spins

[slow saddle]

And u get big procd

[rose ibex]

Ava is lame

[unreal river]

the shittest part is the thunderclap animation for me

you press tclap and it takes ages to do damage

[slow saddle]

Id deffo say thane > slayer fury

[unreal river]

maybe its same time but it feels much longer

[nova marsh]

Idk

It dosent feel anywhere near as bad as like

[rose ibex]

I mean tclap is better than ww

[nova marsh]

Df exe

[unreal river]

yea but ww u only use it for the aoe stacks

[rose ibex]

I guess mt just feels kinda generic gameplay wise

The tclap proccing aoe strikes is a good qol

I cant hate that

[unreal river]

oh ofc

[nova marsh]

I tried fury and its okay as an off spec

[slow saddle]

U get procs and shifting gameplay as thane

A bit overwhelmed at times in cds. But outside cds its great

[nova marsh]

Thane is the only spec im warr

That has a cd feel strong on its own

[slow saddle]

Y

[olive nest]

Because their are 14 dps competing for the add pad

[rose ibex]

When i learned to accept that im just not going to have BS available for evey add pack my dps improved in raid

Send it send it

Don't look back

[nova marsh]

Fuck the pad

[rose ibex]

Leave it for our fury brothers and sisters

[placid ivy]

I’m new to playing an Arms Warrior and was wondering what the max hit rating I should aim for is. I’m using a (2H) imp slam build.

[unreal river]

this is for retail

you need to get the fight club discord for classic tbc

[placid ivy]

kk

[unreal river]

i think 5%

[rose ibex]

Good luck dude 🫡

[unreal river]

how big is rend in single target raid encounters

[wet scroll]

Whats our 3rd craft? I crafted a 2h wep and writs..

[knotty marsh]

i might be blind since i cant find it but do we know how much the changes tuesday will affect slayer?

[warm zodiac]

If I’m converting from Fury to Arms, do I use crafted weapon or keep hunting for Myth right now

[unreal river]

does simulationcraft account for execute phase? if so how?

[astral yarrow]

it simulates a mob doing from 100->0%

[wet scroll]

Yo what sim do yall run? 5 targets 5mins?

[pale pond]

What nameplates are those? Very smooth

[surreal spade]

terrace is colossus right ?

[lyric pier]

how big is this war nerf's ?

[surreal spade]

what nerf?

[knotty marsh]

tuesday

[surreal spade]

can link ?

[lyric pier]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/official-patch-12-0-5-development-notes-systems-activities-class-changes-381256

[surreal spade]

maybe 3-5 %?

[granite stone]

Slayer - multitarget - doesnt have heroic strike in its rotation but its still selecting the apex talents for it (wowhead)?

[fervent cedar]

You consume heroic strike wirh cleave

Read fervor of battle

[granite stone]

ty

[reef prairie]

Not nerfs

[fervent cedar]

Colossus is getting giga buffed
Slayer loses a small amount of st and gains a little bit in aoe
I wouldn't call the changes an outright nerf

[dim basalt]

Slayer gains ST and loses aoe

[fervent cedar]

We have 20% more bladestorm damage, cleave and execute still reap

[dim basalt]

yeah and yet lose about 9% aoe

at 10T

[fervent cedar]

Where is that number coming from

[dim basalt]

one less cleave after cs and no MW

[flat willow]

yes but mortal strike no longer reaps

that's the big nerf

[dim basalt]

that too

[rare kite]

apparently still a gain in st tho

[reef prairie]

Yea st gain aoe nerf

I guess slayer might be slightly nerfed in keys?

[surreal spade]

so colossus is getting a lil buff ?

[reef prairie]

Ye

Bit less aoe but a shit ton more st

[fervent cedar]

More demolish

Lot more demolish

[surreal spade]

sheesh

i thinks colossuis wil be the dominate one in m+

colossus

[fervent cedar]

Probably, but you can absolutely play either

Both hero talents have timed 20s

[surreal spade]

cool

for me the annoying part about the colossus build is have a tank ST

and i have a lot more fun playing colossus

[fervent cedar]

Ideally your tank pulls trash to boss where possible for our funnel

[surreal spade]

im in pug life doing 14-15

[fervent cedar]

Yup

[surreal spade]

i dont find any tank that know about that

[fervent cedar]

You can always try to communicate beforehand but yeah its rough out there

Colossus still slams aoe tho

So its not all bad

[lyric pier]

it's look a big nerf to me

[wind hatch]

how so

[lyric pier]

• cleaver, no more reap storm on st, no more dot on cleave

[wind hatch]

sd still procs reap on st

[fervent cedar]

You can still reap in st with sudden death

[wind hatch]

slam has dw and demolish cdr is more than doubled

[minor gust]

Need some DN buffs to go with 12.05 slayer

DN doing the same dmg on 5 targets as OP that can only hit 2

[dim basalt]

rebuff DN to what it was at peak in beta

[wind hatch]

nerf DN buff cleave

[vast helm]

give opp strike back

[minor gust]

Just feels weird spamming so much op now as Slayer in AOE and seeing dreadnought do barely anything

[slow saddle]

Thw 60%.nerf hurt

Blizzard rly fucked arms ngl😆

I got a q is this the worst raid tier ever as melee?

Only pseudo melees are present dk's rets and such

[rare kite]

idk if ever, but of those i have raided yes

[slow saddle]

Y like

Im trying 2 remember 1

Where we sucked at last 3 bosses

[fiery quest]

how bad is the arms slayer nerf

[cosmic pecan]

can anyone craft plate gloves?

[fiery quest]

would we have to play colossus now for m+

[slow saddle]

No nerf

But col st buffef

So col prob play now

[graceful agate]

Dont

[cosmic pecan]

why?

[graceful agate]

Because it's a higher stat value slot

[cosmic pecan]

wouldnt you get the primary stat of a 285 slolt?

for crafting it

[fervent cedar]

Yes but why would you craft there when you can get myth gloves instead

And get more stats

[graceful agate]

^

[fervent cedar]

Always craft to low stat budget items

Wrists cloak belt

[graceful agate]

Belt or cape are your next Lowest stat budget slots

And wrist

[cosmic pecan]

but i cant put embelishment on it

cause my wrists and wep have it

[fervent cedar]

You can recraft your weapon without embellishment

[graceful agate]

^

[cosmic pecan]

is that better?

[fervent cedar]

Or you just wait until you get a myth weapon

In your situation you can provably craft a ring or a neck

Thats what I did this week

[slow saddle]

Craft neck tbh

Hands jusy get the ones with shadow dmg

[sacred zodiac]

cantrip gloves exist

kinda already justifies not crafting in a tier slot this tier

[fervent cedar]

I got them in my vault week 1 but I needed tier 🙁

[sacred zodiac]

you got mythic cantrip gloves and passed them up?

[graceful agate]

Crazy stuff

[minor gust]

you dont have to play anything you dont want too. Both specs are capable doing 20s and that wont change in 12.05

[fiery quest]

its the savior of slayer

[slow saddle]

If u skipped em u deserve prison

[ionic mica]

got them this week but not even that good so passed on them

[fiery quest]

🙏

[ionic mica]

2 pairs of gloves sim better

in ST by a little and in aoe by a lot

[slow saddle]

No way ? That have same stats just other ones?

[ionic mica]

nah the crit haste gloves

[sacred zodiac]

you fucked up your sim for them to sim lower in st

[ionic mica]

it was within like 30

swapped every time

[sacred zodiac]

i stand by what i said

[ionic mica]

you are welcome to 🙂

i linked it here i think

but for 10s of dps in ST and -100s in aoe i cba

gaze was a decent chunk better

[cosmic pecan]

what are cantrip gloves?

[ionic mica]

voidclaw gauntlets from seat

[ember agate]

how do i setup a TMW for HS procs?

[last saddle]

Seat of the cumvirate

[astral yarrow]

you have it show slam

[flint cedar]

is that the new hotness? I'm still gunning for Embergroves

[hard rock]

did anyone sim these new changes coming?

[ionic mica]

both are good, just whichever sims better for you like all gear 🙂

[jaunty anvil]

hello all, I just recently swapped to Arms from fury, are there any other good macros to use other than Avatar/CM to make the rotation a bit easier? ty in advance.

[untold pewter]

Mythic track seems to sim within variance with other mythic track gloves but the shadow damage would allow you to proc allerias' necklace, no?

Which is also not super impactful but whelp

It's something

Those gloves are better for fury than for arms anyway
Not really a big deal

[latent moss]

@stable fiber when stream

bro

[stable fiber]

i dont raid retail today

also

[latent moss]

gg

[stable fiber]

my normal raid time is in 2 hours

[latent moss]

cooked for me gg

[stable fiber]

i do MOP raid though

(i deleted my mop warrior)

[keen turtle]

mates how to sim arms in 12.0.5?

[astral yarrow]

go to raidbots.com when 12.0.5 releases

[wooden tide]

Not really, but I don’t personally macro CDs like that just to have more control over what exactly I’m sending

[ionic mica]

oh yeah for sure it would

but i am low on the list for neck and wouldnt take it on hero

and had myth gaze in the same vault

nothing wrong with voidclaws 🙂

[left shard]

16 academy anything i can do better?

i think my dmg is way to low

[astral yarrow]

spec colossus

[left shard]

other than that?

[ionic mica]

hard to tell from details

do you top boss dam on tree boss?

[left shard]

no

i was last

with 3k dps difference

[untold pewter]

I'd take myth gaze too

[left shard]

202k

[untold pewter]

My vaults have been dogshit

[ionic mica]

i somehow ended up with the myth tier gloves because nobody else wanted them and it was big ilvl at the time

but they stink now xD

[left shard]

feel like im loosing dmg when i rend first then cs and then bladestorm

or i dont stack my bladestorm before

[ionic mica]

tbh you dont need to bs them

they will die and the boss is the only thing that matters

[left shard]

schould i just cs and cleave?

[ionic mica]

better to use the time cleaving

[left shard]

what about in packs

like first pull on academy

schould i either just pre rend and then cs and then cleave until i get maybe 1 or 2 stacks of bladestorm then bladestorm?

or rend cs into bladestorm and cleave after

[ionic mica]

to be clear you should bs xD just that if its the first boss adds cleave is prio for funnel

[ionic mica]

im not sure on the optimal way, but id assume you rend cs bs cleaves

seems to work out fine

with sudden deaths in there to not overcap them

[left shard]

allright

see others pulling about 600k+ with slayer on this pull

im pulling 450

[ionic mica]

a lot of the first pull could just be positioning and SD procs tbh

if all your globals end up being cleave/OP and SDs youll be reaping like mad

[left shard]

y

i loose uptine

uptime

cuz my positioning is bad

[ionic mica]

it might help to try to stay on top of the tank, when the green circles go out just keep an eye on him and have a big lasher targeted so youll always have something to hit

you have more time than you think to move out of the circles

[pallid jungle]

i havent play since dragonfligth , does the stance macro still exist/work ?

[hushed topaz]

Stance macro works yes

It’s in the dps faq channel along with some other macros

[stable fiber]

pit of saron is such a crazy arms dungeon, he has the highest dps overall, highest time pos, highest boss dps, 2nd highest hps amongst dps

[pallid jungle]

do you have it by anyy chance ?

[latent moss]

i mean its just

the chinese refusing to play anything non caster

and they are like the only ones pushing

once everyone else starts pushing i think we will see more variety

cause there are a lot of slept on specs

[languid torrent]

Why push now especially with turbo boost

Let alone 3 more months of the season

[stable fiber]

aff is also fucking crazy

[latent moss]

not much to do in the game

[halcyon valve]

[rose ibex]

I think most specs can do one thing or another or are middling at both

Then there are the ones that seem to just do everything amazingly

[pure wren]

Is Umbral Plume better than Heart of Ancient Hunger for Arms keys?

[latent moss]

u play both

[rose ibex]

Anything to not use puzzlebox

[latent moss]

@stable fiber lowk not sure how big guidon is

it feels very powerful in cds with rav

[stable fiber]

it sims so bad tho

[latent moss]

ye

i will keep playing it cause ih ave nothing else really

besides hero track prism

[latent moss]

but i feel like with the way arms is

cds perma

just not a lot value idk

[latent moss]

bro look ehrps

19 seat

xd

[wooden lava]

lmaoooooo

[pallid jungle]

its sthere a macro for cooldowns ?

[nova marsh]

The only ones you could really macro are CS and ava

[midnight yacht]

arms i raid good?

[nova marsh]

but generally warriors don't do that

[glossy tusk]

what dps do you guys do on vexamus in colo build with no adds xd

[stable fiber]

0

[glossy tusk]

i did 40k and got giga flamed lmao

[iron ibex]

and it could be even better, but i played poorly these bosses, also my reflects got kicked on the boss gg
colo arms gains 68% prio from funnel on 5 targets
its crazy

[stable fiber]

spec is too good

[iron ibex]

if u have funnel on solo targets it goes crazy

probably one of best specs in pit

in the game

[blissful frost]

Just recently trying arms out (slayer st), is it normal to run out of rage when sudden death doesnt proc for a good while? or am I doing something wrong?

[latent moss]

quick question

[stable fiber]

thats normal yes

[latent moss]

why do you play colo in skyreach and aa?

i saw on 2nd boss skyreach u had an adept on the boss from logs

but algethar 2 cancer bosses are pure st

like if feral was insane st it'd make sense

gz on the 21 and holding highest pit dps on like 3 diff key levels

[blissful frost]

And anything I can do when out of rage besides just looking? feels so awkward :D

no rage/cd free skills line whirlwind in fury?

[stable fiber]

can charge weave

but its a dps loss if u do it wrong

[blissful frost]

I see, gotta practice that a bit

And when I see Im starving, should I push overpower to higher prio than usual? making sure it doesnt sit on 2 stacks even if mortal strike is ready for example?

[iron ibex]

because i havent played arms for a while, made ui and keybind changes and had to re learn the spec
keep in mind i picked up arms 7 days ago or so
and thought it's better to just focus on one hero first rather than mix 2 of them
we are making a lot of effort pulling funnel as much as possible, and funnel is obviously more valuable for colossus
so since it's beginnign of the season it's also not a bad strategy to just see what can we play on bosses and what we cannot for future

[latent moss]

makes sense

thanks

[iron ibex]

i do think however that these 2 dungeons look not so great for colossus and i wanted to try slayer this week, but also we dont really play that much due to different schedules

[latent moss]

yeah that's why i was confused

i thought u just didnt like slayer

[iron ibex]

u can have funnel on each boss in skyreach, but only on last boss it will last decent amount

i mean i think i kinda like colossus more

[minor gust]

slayer owns

[latent moss]

i like it way more so im trying to cope

[iron ibex]

except when u are casting demo and about to get hit by frontal o.o

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

ur 21 pit is mental

top dmg across all specs

top boss dmg

top speed

gg

[wispy perch]

What's the difference between Reap the Storm on Live vs 12.0.5? No damage cap?

Ahh nevermind, it's just for cleave in 12.0.5

[stable fiber]

yo im live bro

but it aint warrior

xdd

[latent moss]

why is bro playing

mop

[stable fiber]

because mop is peak

[latent moss]

🤣🤣✌️✌️

true

[stable fiber]

i deleted my warrior

because monk is 100x more fun

[latent moss]

isnt warrior

just a buff

for other classes

[stable fiber]

warrior is just skull banner rn

[latent moss]

ye

aug ahh

[stable fiber]

you do damage on some fights

but like first boss of this raid skull banner does more dps then u

[latent moss]

axaxaxaaaxxa

👍

"bring skull banner back!"

[balmy basalt]

why do we wait till 10 stacks of CM before demolish only during execute phase in ST according to wowhead prio? trying to learn colossus after doing 15s as slayer

[uneven minnow]

I'm all juiced out of gear upgrades for this week apart from a 3/6+ hero chest to save me 20 crests and a 3/6+ plate belt with a socket so i can catalyst it ;-;

[minor gust]

lol wtf dev dh can just shift back onto the last boss skyreach platform after being thrown off

[warm fog]

Can we leap back?

Never tried

[inner wasp]

blink and leap have the same targeting logic

so probably

[minor gust]

likely not he had to backflip first

before being able to shift

[inner wasp]

oh are u far away

[minor gust]

idk its not that far but its prob has to do with the no path detected for those types of movements

[upper sparrow]

I’ve tried twice unsuccessfully and gave up.

[latent moss]

i leapt back once from the raven targeted knock

or was it repel

i dont remember

[upper sparrow]

Think it’s a axis issue because you are below the platform

[cosmic pecan]

How bad are the arms nerfs?

[latent moss]

they are good buffs

[minor gust]

the nerfs are so bad they are buffs

[cosmic pecan]

^

[wind hatch]

arms nerfed by -5%

[cosmic pecan]

so crazy

like we were even good

[minor gust]

back to NPX I go trying to get this 16 done

[latent moss]

man im so pissed we depleted the 20

if we just didnt have to pug 3rd dps

[minor gust]

it was an aug too right?

[lethal acorn]

Tuesday...

[warm fog]

Blizz fixing arms having too many cooldowns by making one of the cooldowns a rotational ability

That’s a modern problems, modern solutions moment

[minor gust]

Bro my internet decided to randomly restart on last boss. Thankfully it was a clearn key and we still timed even with me being out for like 4 minutes xD

[sharp flame]

is deeps in this disc?

[nova marsh]

"Demolish's damage has been reduced by 33%"

[quiet merlin]

Is cleave worth it on 2 targets?

[bleak jasper]

still annoyed they made it so cleave doesnt proc deep wounds

[candid kindle]

id say yes? if ms is on cd

[wind hatch]

when you have 3 stacks of collateral damage yes

[runic rock]

Do you use the full on mythic plus colossus build on paladins fight?

[wind hatch]

yes

[runic rock]

And are they actually nerfing arms by 5%?

[minor gust]

slayer aoe is being nerfed by around that

both specs ST are buffed

and colo aoe is neutral

[runic rock]

Interesting. Yea i feel like it needs a ST buff. So does fury

Id trade 5% cleave for 5% ST

[minor gust]

well its 5% aoe for 1% st in slayers case

[runic rock]

Yea thats not a good trade

Ideally fury would stay the strong cleave spec and arms would have good ST with strong 2 target cleave

But seems like hitting tge one thing we do well to still be middle of the pack ST is bs

[nova marsh]

Guys

what's the bare minium overall I should be doing that if I'm not I'm trolling

[tight basin]

Any IQ stackikg arms genius that can explain the most recent changes? How does it affect gameplay, nerf/buff?

[nova marsh]

Buff to both hero specs, do not keep demo for CS unless it's within like ~10 seconds of it in aoe cuz the CDR is insane. That's p much the only gameplay change

[rose matrix]

Colossus aoe might as well be a nerf

more demolish casts is a negative

[tropic tiger]

demo is fun bc big dam but I suspect that much channel in melee is gonna feel not good after a few keys

[rose matrix]

Especially if you're pugging

[tropic tiger]

For sure

[nova marsh]

...That's a wild take

Yes pug tanks suck

But leap exists

And I still have to say you are not fully rooted

[smoky kayak]

unless your tank is actively trying to run away from you at all times, it shouldn't be a big problem

Demo doesn't cancel anymore, and it actually has a pretty generous range, which is being increased next week as well

[nova marsh]

Yeah

Demo can be trolled by a tank if they just fuck off evrey time for no reason (which I've had some tanks do)

but for the most I think it'd trollablity is more so in stacks, RP time loss (which isn't even that bad this season compared to like HoV), and just loosing a ton to general downtime

This is a long winded way of saying I wish they increased the CM timer to 30 seconds at least

[smoky kayak]

If it's that big of a concern, just play slayer tbh

[nova marsh]

That's also a fair point

[minor gust]

lil 17 MC clean slayer run

[smoky kayak]

especially since I assume we're talking about lower keys

[nova marsh]

3k tanks don't tend to troll

[smoky kayak]

running into tanks that inept in higher/push level keys is pretty uncommon and even if you do, there's a high likelihood that some other problem is going to arise anyway, that's bigger than your choice of build

[nova marsh]

or do odd things with pulling, like stopping for a few seconds well gathering before moving on

even in 10s/12s it's felt kinda rare

[smoky kayak]

so if you're just doing weekly keys and that worried about having a weird tank, just play Slayer - you're still gonna time your 10 without issue

if you're trying to pug 17s and running into tanks like that, it was probably going to fall apart anyway

[nova marsh]

that

and demo's channel with any reasonable amount of haste is fine

[nova sand]

he chose to speak facts

[rose ibex]

hmmm

pit clarms or slarms?

[fair tinsel]

Colo easily

Even without tank pulling immortals for funnel for giant

Colo melts those big packs

[rose ibex]

yeah you right

whoosh whoosh

[fair tinsel]

Can't wait to see how Tuesday feels

Sending a million demos

[pulsar frost]

Tusedau be the time I retire fury for keys and probably go fully arms

[nova marsh]

What the fuck

So apparently

evade bug is a thing

I love it when

My key is bricked

because of fucking bugs

[sand totem]

in nexus?

[nova marsh]

No

SR

This fucker

first bricked 10 in a hot minute

[pale mantle]

leap while casting demo is awesome

[fair tinsel]

Would be funny if demolish got a short term tether as a "anti weird tank" protection

[pale mantle]

I remember S1 and S2 tww and missed demolish's was really annoying

you are about to cast the biggest demolish of your life, that your dps would spike to 40m 50m

and then your tank kited that specific mob to narnia

alt f4 instantly

[minor gust]

tww S3 is when demolish was a nuke

[pale mantle]

humm perhaps a root effect on the mob

just like charge

but a little longer

[fair tinsel]

I was thinking an animation lock like the old throwdown stun

From like wod or whatever xpac it was in

[pale mantle]

the first strike of demolish stun the add

for 2 seconds

then boom

very colossus like

would fit the lore

[fair tinsel]

Esp since nobody takes spear now

Only used pvp

[pale mantle]

but nah, blizz and their infinity knowledge made your biggest fucking button cancel its cast when the add got 5 yards away

or even less

its was like your character had a stroke or something

[fair tinsel]

Arms historically is the red headed stepchild minus outliers

Bfa s4, mop, cata in ds, etc

[pale mantle]

cata arms was peak

[safe island]

after starting with slayer arms and then switching to colo arms, the rotation feels a lot easier to get used to

[fair tinsel]

Cata arms with gurthalak and bone link fetish

Taking that shit into bgs and wpvp/duels was straight up abuse

[maiden apex]

I wondered this. If I start demolish and the mob im targeting gets oor does it cancel the damage but not the visual?

[pale mantle]

on last expansion S1 and S2 demolish would cancel its cast mid cast

and nothing happens

now if the mob goes away from you, you will cast demolish in front of you

[stable fiber]

wes is

shreding l'ura btw

[minor gust]

[stable fiber]

his boss damage is pretty solid

[frail hearth]

colossus is slapping

the ST dmg going to be nice next week right?

[stable fiber]

itll be relevant in m+

not great but also not worthless

[flat willow]

You'll finally deal more damage than your brewmaster on Bosses where you can't funnel

[safe island]

is it normal to be last on boss damage as colo arms in m+?

[balmy kindle]

Yes for now

[flat willow]

Yes

After the patch as well

Just not as much

[balmy kindle]

You should be worried if dps are losing to you on bosses

[safe island]

slayer arms definitely feels more balanced right now

[flat willow]

It deals less aoe and more st yes

[zinc sonnet]

Feels so bad the heights of colossus aoe to the fall of ST lol

[fair tinsel]

Normalize arms cranking in execute range again

[sand totem]

Give me a cleave target on a boss fight and I shall rule the world

[pale mantle]

if you pull 2 adds on boss colussus boss damage will skyrocket

colu funnel is quite high

on PIT for example if you pull those 4 0 health add to big giant boss

you deal a toon of damage

[balmy kindle]

Thing with slayer in m+ is your aoe can feel anemic without procs

[pale mantle]

you will be top 1 most likely on boss damage

[pale mantle]

this is true

rng based

with colossus you do damage no matter what

[balmy kindle]

More of a colo guy my self so can't wait for next week

[pale mantle]

well I had a pretty bad experience with colo on tww

but I just played a few keys today

and felt

good....

[balmy kindle]

I have played colo for both, the main change for me is that demo can't be cancelled now

[pale mantle]

exactly

on tww on pug keys 25% of my demos were cancelled

[balmy kindle]

Obviously one plays around this but still annoying when tank suddenly wants to play Forza horizon

[pale mantle]

or more

[pale mantle]

lmao

[stable fiber]

demo can definetly still be cancelled

xdd

its cringe

[pale mantle]

didnt happened until now

it just cast in front of you

[balmy kindle]

I have experienced it in the form of the batteries in the nexus dungeon

[pale mantle]

if your target goes out of rangte

[stable fiber]

nah

[vague ore]

are you supposed to use st rotation as colossus on 2 targets?

[stable fiber]

like the ability just cancels

[stable fiber]

yes

[vague ore]

do you not need to pay attention to collateral damage stacks or does it not matter

[pale mantle]

doesnt matter, you will get then naturally

[balmy kindle]

It's nice but not TWW levels of hold 20 stacks for rav colo smash

[stable fiber]

does not matter in 2t

[pale mantle]

but you cast cleave at 3 stacks on 2 targets

especially in execute

[stable fiber]

as a filler probably yeah

filler for slam

[vague ore]

yeah I am trying to figure out if you wanna cast it over overpower at 3 stacks

in execute yeah that makes sense but before that idk

[pale mantle]

but you can cast

raveger on execute

and then cleave at 3 stacks go above overpower

on prio

[vague ore]

yeah that makes sense

[pale mantle]

even on single target

[vague ore]

also do you save ravager with avatar or can you send only with colossus smash

[pale mantle]

cleave is a cheap execute with raveger

[pale mantle]

technically speaking ravager on single target is like

nothing really

[vague ore]

meant in aoe

[pale mantle]

but it can be usefel on execute phase

[vague ore]

because it doesnt align naturally I think

[stable fiber]

rav and avatar dont naturally align

which makes the spec a 3 min spec kinda

[vague ore]

yeah my question is, do you not press it without avatar

[pale mantle]

always send with colossus smash

[stable fiber]

you send with cs

[pale mantle]

always

[dire hinge]

Pretty sure it’s with CS

[pale mantle]

avatar is whatever

[vague ore]

aight thanks

[pale mantle]

your main CD IS smash

not avatar

avatar is just a extra

if avatar allign good

[pale mantle]

this is why I hate puzzle box

is so awkward with arms timings

and cdr

[spark solstice]

Puzzle box sucks. Takes me of of the flow constantly

[pale mantle]

yes

I prefer a trinket that sims lower

than that shit

[spark solstice]

Id rather have no on use trinket or instacast trink

[spark solstice]

Facts

[pale mantle]

puzzlebox is usable with classes that doesnt have cdr

on cds

especially if they are 1 min or 2 minute

[craggy steeple]

does anyone know if the ascended voidcore stuff for weapons and trinkets brings up the heroic versions also to 298 ilvl

[stable fiber]

you can kinda utilize puzzle box in some dungeons

nexus point is a ok one

[craggy steeple]

wanna know if its worth getting the hero version of the weapon from lura

if it upgrades that far up

[stable fiber]

just the myth versions

[pale mantle]

just craft a 285 my guy

[craggy steeple]

i do have one

[pale mantle]

GG then

[spark solstice]

Then it wil become 298 with the core

[craggy steeple]

wowhead says both hero and myth stuff thats why im asking

[pale mantle]

nah nah

[spark solstice]

As far as I understand

[stable fiber]

you can upgrade the hero items + 9 ilvl

[pale mantle]

hero track doesnt become a 298

how told you that

[craggy steeple]

i see

[spark solstice]

No the crafted one

[pale mantle]

who*

[spark solstice]

Myth crafted

[stable fiber]

crafted one

becomes 295

[spark solstice]

That’s the one

[stable fiber]

crafted goes up 10 ilvl
myth goes up 9 ilvl
hero goes up 9 ilvl

[craggy steeple]

wowhead article was extremely vague about the system and i didnt know much about it

that answers my question

[pale mantle]

I wonder, how many stacks we will have of this upgrade

like

[stable fiber]

yeah wowhead article was pretty vague

[stable fiber]

itll work like catalyst charges

[pale mantle]

would be a waste to spend that shit on 285 and then your next vault gives you a 289

[pulsar lintel]

guys, how do you SIM arms warr, ST is patch 1target 5 mins I assume, but what do you select for AOE

[pale mantle]

it something like

farmable ?

[spark solstice]

That’s why I play fury most of the time. Don’t have to choose

[stable fiber]

you can get them from killing bosses and oding m+

so farmable

[craggy steeple]

i think the upgrade tokens are farmable but the reroll tokens are capped

[pale mantle]

you can upgrade all your gear to 298 or

like

just some pieces

like embel

[spark solstice]

I think it’s everything

[craggy steeple]

weps and trinks

[pale mantle]

so 3

3 slots

[spark solstice]

Ah right

Im wrong constantly, ill just shut up haha

[pale mantle]

meaning that you will not waste by upgrading your 285 weapon

and then 2 days later

you get a 289

[spark solstice]

Then crafted will still be 295. A win

[pale mantle]

if is farmable

yeah

[spark solstice]

Yeah

[stable fiber]

yes

[spark solstice]

But probably capped like the damn crests

[stable fiber]

no

they wont cap it

[spark solstice]

Having reset only to be capped instantly sucks too

[stable fiber]

i think

[spark solstice]

Knowing blizz they’ll either cap it or timegate it

[pale mantle]

we are talking about blizz here

they will time gate it

somehow

[stable fiber]

they havent time gated upgrading gear afaik

but the rerolls will be timegated for obvious reasons

as they should be

[spark solstice]

The call is coming from inside the house. Seize this person

[pale mantle]

crest cap cof

[spark solstice]

One of them

[stable fiber]

its usually removed when the turbo boost comes around

they might leave it on though

[nova marsh]

Ngl

[stable fiber]

because its still so early in the season

we are like what

3 weeks into myth prog?

4?

[spark solstice]

4

[stable fiber]

yeah they will prob keep the crest cap a bit longer if i had to guess

[nova marsh]

I forgot the WC log app is on overwolf

and you just use archon

I haven't logged in too long lol

[spark solstice]

I mean, it makes sense. It just sucks

[stable fiber]

i dont mind it too much

i already got 289 in a lot of slots anyways hehe

can go crazy

[safe island]

colo arms st rotation is so annoying

[stable fiber]

agreed

feels like its missing something

[safe island]

i don wan to cleave seriously

[stable fiber]

the AOE rotation very fluid though

[spark solstice]

So far I got myth wep(non bis), myth belt bis and myth gloves bis

[pale mantle]

the problem is rage starvation

like

you NEED

a shaman

NEED

its not its good

you need

[spark solstice]

Execute feels horrible honestly. Last time properly played arms was in df. Execute felt so so nice

[stable fiber]

its 12% in like a 3-5t sim i did

more in execute

a bit less on st overall but very big in execute as slayer

[pale mantle]

if you press bad gcd on execute with slayer st build

you are fucked

rage starved

and pray for a SD proc

[stable fiber]

knowing how to charge weave helps a lot

[pale mantle]

otherwise afk

[stable fiber]

swing timer would be nice

would slap that on instantly

[pale mantle]

not if you spend your leap to avoid mechs

[stable fiber]

maybe with m33kauras actually...

[pale mantle]

you are fucked anyway

[spark solstice]

Or just follow my tactic. Die fast and get carried. Gg

[stable fiber]

dont need to use leap

[safe island]

the rotation feels like shit, and the damage is bad too, so it’s even worse

[stable fiber]

can look at your rage and when it goes up you use a rage costing gcd then walk out and charge

on certain bosses you cant

like vorasius

but

[safe island]

back to slayer arms

[stable fiber]

works on l'ura

[pale mantle]

but swing timer is so

[spark solstice]

There are 12 other classes that don’t have this problem 🙂

[pale mantle]

classic

like

classic cringe stuff

[stable fiber]

i dont mind it

[spark solstice]

Warrior is life.

[stable fiber]

its bad for colo arms

[cinder night]

Hello there ! about Ring enchant "Eagle eyes" what the real difference between R1 and 2 both are 1% Crit DMG . THX

[stable fiber]

but other classes do have this problem

[pale mantle]

they could just make your auto attacks give a little more rage in execute window

like a talent or something

[stable fiber]

frost mage is like the only complete mage spec right now rotationally

[safe island]

i just want to do aoe. single target feels terrible in every way

[pale mantle]

your auto attacks generates 20% more range on 35% targets

that it

[stable fiber]

think they literally just make SD proc more

[pale mantle]

done

fixed

[stable fiber]

fixes 2 birds with 1 stone for slayer

better rage econ, more bs cdr

[pale mantle]

but you are behind a rng

if you low roll

[spark solstice]

Also, I haven’t reeeaalllyy looked into it, but what gives BS the cdr?

[pale mantle]

you are fucked

[stable fiber]

makes the rotation feel more complete

[pale mantle]

anyway

[stable fiber]

thats kinda the point

reduces the low roll

lol

[pale mantle]

the chance of low rollingh

but I will low roll

[stable fiber]

if you increase the proc chance you are less likely to low low roll

[pale mantle]

because the game doesnt like me

[spark solstice]

It’s not he game. You just haven’t prayed enough to RnGesus

[stable fiber]

im progging mythic l'ura rn and ive had a couple of times where i dont even have BS back for the crystal spawns and its like 70 seconds inbetween every spawn

and bs is a 90 second cd

lmao

[pale mantle]

its so good when you begin your execute phase with like 100 rage, and 1 sd proc

then after 30 seconds

you press execute with 60 rrage

and your overpower is on 1 stack

then you start sweating

and praying for a SD proc

otherwise you will press execute, mortal strike

0 rage

fuckness

[stable fiber]

they could also buff critical thinking or imp execute

to give more rage back

its 30% right now

refunded

[pale mantle]

I have an idea

make overpower a rage generator

on execute

10 rage

[stable fiber]

it use to be

haha

[chilly wind]

I heard we Are playing Slayer with 0.5 is that correct?

[stable fiber]

last expansion

[spark solstice]

Compared to fury where almost every ability generates rage, arms feels sad

[pale mantle]

ahh ok that why I was feeling something was off

[stable fiber]

you can play either currently

and you can play either in .5 as well

its dungeon/boss dependant

[pale mantle]

dude is so dumb that 1 mistake can make you starve really bad

[spark solstice]

You can play either in every xpac/patch/szn

[pale mantle]

and if you low roll you will starve

anyway

like fuckkk

whyyy

[stable fiber]

you COULD

but try playing colo on any boss last expansion

it was fucking awful

its still bad

[pale mantle]

sometimes I starve so hard that I want to move fatality talent to overlord

[spark solstice]

I didn’t you you’d have a good time. Just that you could

[stable fiber]

but less bad

[spark solstice]

Some peeps are masochists

[pale mantle]

just to feel less bad

actually

fatality is so much better than overlord ?

battlelord

sorry

ths helps a little

[stable fiber]

battlelord doesnt really fix rage issues like you think it would

btw

[pale mantle]

bleed gives you 1 rage per tick, 2 if crits

that would be good as well

on main target only

[stable fiber]

and your are casting MS less often which results in less powerful mortal strikes when fatality can cause mortal strikes to deal like 20% more damage

[lucid niche]

i hate having to play slayer in some keys

[pale mantle]

I mean basically bloodsurge but without the "chance"

[stable fiber]

SD proc rate buff is like the best thing they can do imo

fixes so many issues lmao

its also like a very strong ST buff

[pale mantle]

ahh dont know , relaying so much in rng is never that good

[stable fiber]

ur missing the point

u are buffing the proc chance

so its less rng

[pale mantle]

but still rng, why not make our non rng rage generation better ?

like bringing back overpower rage

and other qol improvements

[stable fiber]

this doesnt fix the other issues of the spec

[pale mantle]

st damage you mean ?

[stable fiber]

like BS cdr being dogshit

no

not st damage

[pale mantle]

shit just aura buff us

[stable fiber]

has noting to do with the ds

dps

lmao

[minor gust]

It certainly puts in a lot of work tho. Was simming a build with and without BLord. Both ST Sims were equal then I simmed without wind fury and the no BLord build nose dived lol

[nova sand]

imo what feels most miserable is pressing sweeping strikes

such a flow killer

[stable fiber]

it fixes rage econ issues, fixes bs cdr, makes you push slam less, makes the rotation feel more complete

[pale mantle]

I mean

that I agree on

[stable fiber]

it procced way more in TWW and the spec felt complete in ST to me

even if it was tuned bad

[pale mantle]

nahhh

that 15 stacks shit

and the cheese whas horrible

[stable fiber]

that wasnt mentioned

irrelevant

it procced way more pre execute

~2-3 more per min

not sure why but it did

[pale mantle]

haste perhaps ? more attacks, more slayer strikes

more sd from hero tree

etc

[spark solstice]

Lets all just play rogue

[stable fiber]

let me dig into it

it just procced way more in TWW though

even early tww

[stable fiber]

dogshit -> even worse dogshit

rogue is in a even worse state lol

think arms was just more haste heavy in tww and slayer strikes acts weird since the rework i feel

feelscrafting

[pale mantle]

I noticed that slayer strikes procs less

perhaps this explain less sd procs

[stable fiber]

wild strikes

haha

thats why

jesus christ

we auto attack way less now because we lost wild strikes

means less slayer strikes

[pale mantle]

less rage

as well

[stable fiber]

we do just have windfury normally now though

[pale mantle]

I mean

wild strikes still here

on class tree

...

[stable fiber]

hmm ur right

i forgot that they didnt remove it

[pale mantle]

on tww slayer strike had a HIGH CHANCE of procing

now its 15%

I wonder if that HIGH CHANCE

[stable fiber]

ur right