arms

[umbral badger]

oh wait this is not that ? xd i did not notice

what's this

[flat willow]

mortal strike had a 20% chance to proc reap the storm

next patch it doesn't

[umbral badger]

wow

[rare kite]

Only sd reap remains on st. Rest is aoe

[umbral badger]

why the fk would they do that though

lol

so fking weird

[sharp goblet]

because they wanted to buff single target

without buffing aoe

[umbral badger]

if anything slayer arms had too much mortal strike dmg, i'd rather they chipped at that instead of chipping at the fun part

[sharp goblet]

or rather shifting damage from reap on ST

[umbral badger]

i mean it's not like slayer AoE was the one that's most more busted imo

[sharp goblet]

but they gave a 20% bladestorm buff

it sort of evens out (still a net loss)

[umbral badger]

well it is what it is i guess, i just think that it's fun when mortal procs reap

one of the few fun aspects are gone i guess

was fun to sudden death twice "reap +reap" then you get a huge mortal and it procs another reap

[hasty pumice]

Yeah also because arms has way too many weird ST to aoe synergies so it's good to remove some for balancing

Arms is horrible to balance imo

[crimson dust]

So in 12.0.5, we are getting a nerf on aoe and single in colossus spec right? What spec will be the best to use in raid and/or m+?

[umbral badger]

bruv where do you guys keep getting this info xd

colossus = ST buff and a verey small aoe nerf

[pure wren]

I thought Colossus was getting straight buffed.

[crimson dust]

I saw 15% mortal and slam, now it’s 20% in game, I’m wrong?

[umbral badger]

no, but you get more demos which also gives 10% dmg nad 10% haste

for a duration

and you also get more deep wounds on ST cuz slam applies it

[placid atlas]

So we using demo on cd without waiting for CS in .5?

[umbral badger]

in aoe you can probably do that, on ST you did not have the ability toline up CS with Demo always before but now you will.

[crimson dust]

Thx for the explanation bro

[umbral badger]

always happy to help, although sometimes i rush the answers and realize i made a mistake later xd

[crimson dust]

🙌🏻🙌🏻

[rough pewter]

Avoidance, stamina enchants how much survival tuning in numbers ? I know its hard to tell but closely?!

[umbral badger]

not even sure what that sentence means so maybe clarify what do you mean maybe we can help ;p

[rough pewter]

Yes sorry bad English. So one of my friends is a ww monk, He dies a lot so i told him buy enchants on helm,shoulder etc. to improve survivability. He think therse enchants doesnt count that much so i want some example for him with some rough numbers how much the enchants helps his def. Its 5% overall def or more, less.

Is there any possibility to check it ?

[umbral badger]

does not reach 5% for sure but that won't make him die less. if he dies a lot it is purely strategy/mechanics baed.

[thick kelp]

37 avoidance = 1%
69 leech = 1%
12 speed = 1%

[rough pewter]

Ah thank you guys

[umbral badger]

biggest reason for death in m+ is low amount of interrupts.

2 ppl doing proper interrupts can change the run from a lot of deaths to almost non

[rough pewter]

Thanks for the help

Is there any addon now for the interrupt help ?

Like m+ helper weakaura befote

Before

[thick kelp]

targetedspells?

shows whos targeted

[weak wave]

So we will do less ST dmg?

[rough pewter]

Oh ill check it thanks

[flat willow]

No cuz they buffed other things, slayer does a little bit more st but you lost aoe damage

[weak wave]

Kk

[white canopy]

So its not worth doing Slayer anymore?

I did it on keys with alot of ST bosses

[weak wave]

Wait, even with the 20% Bladestorm buff?

[white canopy]

I mean with funnel colossal slaps more

[weak rain]

What did you lose on aoe as slayer though? I don't understand, cleave functions like before, jsut a bit of DW damage and bladestorm hits harder, no?

[dark cypress]

Hello,

Next week with WW applying Rend, does it also works with Cleave for Arms?

Or is it only Fury

Oh it's Improved WW applying so it shouldn't

[empty sluice]

Only for fury

[flat willow]

mortal strike no longer procs reap the storm, 2 free cleave instead of 3 with crushing combo, cleave no longer applies deep wound

mortal strike is probably the biggest nerf

[thick kelp]

also nerfed reaps proc rate from cleave

[weak rain]

I thought losing MS reaps affect st more than aoe

[thick kelp]

affects fairbit of aoe too cuz you prio MS after SD's and cleaves

altho now you have bigger value from playing opportunist and prioing OP's in aoe

[weak rain]

anyways how much of pure st lost with that reap change(and bs/deep wounds st buff) for the raid?

[flat willow]

slayer gains 3% ST, col 7%

for aoe I'm not sure, a slight nerf on both

but depends on target count and duration of the fight

[radiant moon]

hey, want to hear your opinion. Will it in your mind be worth to switch to arms next week in raid for the boss dmg?

[weak rain]

What? No way it's a buff for st with losing reaps from MS

lmao

slam deepwounds stonks?

[flat willow]

you gain 20% damage on bladestorm and deepwound on slam

[steep osprey]

^

[radiant moon]

im asking mostly because fury does no st dps and given the fact that adds just vaporize it might be better to just tunnel boss

[astral yarrow]

as is tradition

[viscid crow]

where did you get the % numbers from? i had trouble finding anything

[weak rain]

I feel like with the removal of deep wouns on cleave, they could buff it(and also buff bleed based talents for col, to balance out col's st)

[flat willow]

frozenbozo posted the sims a while ago

[pastel whale]

in the arms slayer raid spec, is there ever a point you actually want to press whirlwind?

or just as a filler in aoe situations

[hushed patrol]

that?

[astral yarrow]

im pretty sure you'd need an unholy amount of targets to ever make that worth it

[pastel whale]

yeah i thought as much cheers

was thinking of switching to arms for raids and noticed that cleave isnt taking so was just wondering haha

[odd helm]

in colossus m+ spec we never press execute really or only with SD proc?

maybe its my crit being too low but sometimes i pump and others i hit with a noodle

[sacred zodiac]

2 Billion target cleave 3 Seconds sim

[astral yarrow]

with lust

[pastel whale]

also in slayer ST, HS over MS in prio order for raids?

or other way round

[sacred zodiac]

What does the wowhead Slayer st priority say

[pastel whale]

i tend to ignore wowhead

the fact wowhead has hands down the worst "BiS" list ive ever seen is why i avoid it

[latent moss]

cause bis list is fake

[pastel whale]

exactly

[sacred zodiac]

The bis list is made for people who beg for it, the wowhead priority is modeled after the apl

[pastel whale]

okay so rest of it is credible?

[latent moss]

all of it is credible

[sacred zodiac]

The Rotation Page is if its Up to Date which it is right now

[latent moss]

the bis list is the highest simming profile

[sacred zodiac]

The bis list is also credible If you know how to Interpret it

[pastel whale]

sound sound

[thick kelp]

how can a bis be bad

when its the highest simming combination of all gear available

[wind flicker]

Bis = Bad In Slot

Obviously

[thick kelp]

5head

[pastel whale]

yeah its the highest simming in what sim

[latent moss]

st

[wind flicker]

Honestly just sim whats best for you in ur current statweight

Chasing a bislist is not practicle at all

[sacred zodiac]

Stat weights mentioned🗣️ 🗣️

[wind flicker]

Bis lists are made to be a perfect distributing in ur stats for a certain scenario

[astral yarrow]

my practicles

[daring flicker]

40/40/10/10

[scenic umbra]

40/40/10/10 forever

Nothing else is valid

[latent moss]

100/0/0/0

[astral yarrow]

damn thats an old meme

[sacred zodiac]

40401010 is like 8 years old

[scenic umbra]

I had that discussion on dragonflight with like 10 people

For two weeks

Then the meme arised

[sacred zodiac]

Had to gatekeep it

[daring flicker]

40/40/10/10 with Pile On would save arms

Can I get a true

[astral yarrow]

@halcyon breach pile on mentioned

[sacred zodiac]

True

[weak rain]

Only with tom

40 90 0 0

[scenic umbra]

What about ravager on colossus smash

[flat willow]

may tom never see the light of day again

[scenic umbra]

Rage fot executes and ectra juicy pad with cleave

And remove rend

Thats it arms saved

[daring flicker]

Pile on with ignore pain ToM and optimal stat spread

[scenic umbra]

Who's telling blizz

[halcyon breach]

4-Set - Pile On - Tactician has a 50% increased chance to proc against enemies with Colossus Smash and causes your next Overpower to grant 2% Strength, up to 8% for 15 sec.

[weak rain]

rend is shit, make MS apply it always, not only at 35%

[scenic umbra]

Removed rend

Increase ms dmg

No one wants rend its atrocious

Shit ass animation as well

[bleak arrow]

I would rather just take the DPS loss

F rend

[latent moss]

why does prot get outburst but arms cant get pile on

shit game

[scenic umbra]

And make execute great again

Dopamine from execute phase was peak

Now we are nnothing i. Execute

[tropic crest]

A quick recap of changes real effects?

[wind flicker]

#updates-midnight

[frank surge]

genuinely. Are the patch notes wrong or trolling
half of them are irrelevant but like... Cleave nerfs, 5% Nerf to all major abilities, and nerfing Reap on ST....????

[flat willow]

it's also nerfing reap on aoe

on the bright side, colossus stocks are rising

[dark cypress]

So that's how Arms Slayer in keys should be or?

[frank surge]

but colossus is getting the 5% nerf across the board lol

[flat willow]

its not, you are getting a lot more demolish casts

which is a single target buff

[tropic crest]

WARRIOR
Rend radius increased to 10 yards (was 8 yards).
ok fine

Wrecking Throw will now be highlighted when the Warrior targets a unit with an active Absorb shield.
lol

Shattering Throw will now be highlighted when the Warrior targets a unit with an active Immunity effect, or a Mage’s Ice Wall.
lol

Arms
Mortal Wounds now triggers from Mortal Strike and Slam (was Mortal Strike and Cleave).
+ST (slam + Heroic strike give MW) -AoE

Crushing Combo removes the cooldown from your next 2 uses of Cleave (was 3).
-AoE (not sure how big)

Colossus
Practiced Strikes now increases Mortal Strike and Slam damage by 15% and Cleave and Whirlwind damage by 15%.
(Was this 20%?)

Demolish’s area of effect strike radius increased to 10 yards (was 8 yards).
Fine

Dominance of the Colossus reduces the cooldown of Demolish by 5 seconds when you would gain a stack of Colossal Might and are already at max stacks (was 2 seconds).
+AoE +ST

Slayer
Reap the Storm has been updated – When Cleave hits 3 or more targets you have a 20% chance to unleash a flurry of steel, striking all nearby enemies for high Physical damage and applying Overwhelmed.
-ST -AoE

Unrelenting Onslaught now also increases damage dealt by Bladestorm by 20%.
+ST +AoE

[frank surge]

Yeah thats the shit i wrote out too

[latent moss]

colo is up

on st and same on aoe

[frank surge]

half of the notes are irrelevant like.... okay Whirlwind applies Rend...? Rend is already AOE and Thane already applies it

And then half of it is the -5 nerf to Colossus MS, Slam and Cleave. Or a complete nerf to Slayer

[latent moss]

slayer up on st up on burst

both are up on burst aoe down on sustained

sustained aoe is irrelevant in basically all content

[tropic crest]

True, Whirlwind is just complete useless shit lol

[latent moss]

no m+ pack lives for more than 40s

[latent moss]

refer to what i wrote

[heady smelt]

As someone who plays many of the melee classes and specs, is arms cleave build single target the most complex priority list/rotation? Especially if the target counts vary lol

[latent moss]

probably

[scenic umbra]

Most complex and less rewarding as well

[latent moss]

its getting simpler in .5

[scenic umbra]

My colossus 281 chad sims 70K

[flat willow]

I mean, maybe? but when you see the rotations of other melees

talking about you ret paladins

[scenic umbra]

I play pala and dk and thry are dead simple

Feral is okay tho

[latent moss]

dk is like

[scenic umbra]

Harder that dk pally but everything makes sense

Not like warrior

[latent moss]

the most braindead rota ive ever seen

uhdk that is

ion know frost

[flat willow]

ion is more of a shaman player

[scenic umbra]

125k sim

Ue ue

Hunter, aimed, multi and arcane

Top1 almost al bosses

[frank surge]

why tf i even play this class lmao

[latent moss]

scourge strike

scourge strike

[flat willow]

to own in aoe

[latent moss]

scourge strike

scourge strike

death coil

scourge strike

... m

[flat willow]

hey you forgot the little ghoul thingy

[frank surge]

i do equal aoe to everyone else at best, and sim 15k lower ST 🙂

[latent moss]

peak

putrefy on cd from soul reaper

[flat willow]

putrify or something

[latent moss]

tbf that's gone

in. 5

putrefy will just consume both stacks

[flat willow]

idk I own in aoe

half the damage of the unholy dk in single target tho

and i'm talking about a clean half

[frank surge]

yeah like idk i do the same as or a little more than a frost mage i play with in AOE, and then do half their ST so 🤷

[latent moss]

i gap everyone in aoe

then get gapped on st

if we can pull trash on boss

i gap them on boss damage

[scenic umbra]

When getting ready for pallys in colossus i was simming 68k and the dks 118-120K

Isnt that wild

[flat willow]

doing windrunner spire with a unholy dk

you own him the entire dungeon

and then the final boss appears

and you feel like a piece of shit

fighting for your life against the tank

[scenic umbra]

Thats warrior class identity last 2 exp

Except tww s3 (peak fury)

[heady smelt]

Oh do you happen to know what changes in the rotation?

[latent moss]

back to ms>sd>op>slam on st

technically can exe over slam if u have very high rage

also technically cleave is worth casting with ravager

but the cleave thing is weird

i wont do it

[flat willow]

I just wish mortal strike didn't get nerfed next patch and it would be perfect

[azure tulip]

feels weird

[latent moss]

i remember fishy was saying something like

rav is a wasted global or something

im just not gonna bother

[azure tulip]

yeah f that

[latent moss]

small optimization anyway i will look at the apl once it comes out

[azure tulip]

so looking at the numbers it looks like all the numbers for arms go up like 3-4k ish?

[slow saddle]

100% never should

[slow saddle]

Tbh a lot more?

If u talkin col

[latent moss]

its like 9k

on pure st build for colo

[azure tulip]

well according to frozenbozos post

[slow saddle]

If u talkin slayer....

Which also needs st help

My gawd

[latent moss]

idk if he was using new apl

[azure tulip]

ahh

[latent moss]

fishy said like 76k to 85k or something

[azure tulip]

thats nice honestly (still wish it was more)

[slow saddle]

I think some1 with vantus got it to 90

Like 7-8k behind slaya

[latent moss]

will see how it plays out in m+

[azure tulip]

so colo def the play for M+ now even for ST heavy dunggies or Slayer still

[latent moss]

not sure farover who is r1 warrior

is already playing colo everywhere

and his group doesnt really have good st

outlaw has good st

but feral and arms are not good

[azure tulip]

yeah but someone like Critcakes only plays Slayer so idk…comp pref ig

[latent moss]

critcake doesnt like slayer

colo i mean

and afaik farover doesnt like slayer

[azure tulip]

splitting hairs ig, they still pump regardless

[slow saddle]

Yup

1 gains timer on boss

1 gains timer on trash

Seeing both have good funnel

[glossy tusk]

critcake is not playing slayer only isnt that like only skyreach he does

[slow saddle]

Also please buff arms st!

[latent moss]

colo funnel increased with these changes

hoooly

[slow saddle]

Give me 5k on aa

[weak wave]

Any idea why they nerf Slayer MT even further?

[slow saddle]

Didnt

[thick kelp]

Gonnda do 150k ST on on forgemaster

[latent moss]

ye its gonna be insane

just need to pull around arms

[slow saddle]

They changes reap, to be sd and aoe

[latent moss]

man it pisses me off

well it doesn't affect me specifically cause i play premade but

no one knows that arms giga funnels

imagine playing in a pug

[slow saddle]

Hmm i only do meme 14-16s

[latent moss]

and ur tank just doesnt pull for you

[slow saddle]

Tanks seem 2 have noticed

[latent moss]

oh they learned

good

havent pugged anything higher than 11

[slow saddle]

I dont get all funnel pfc

[latent moss]

i saw critcake pug a maisara

[slow saddle]

Like still scaredy cats

[latent moss]

and they were kicking warrios on vordaza

[sharp goblet]

I play premade and it affects me, they just clown me for wanting to pad when I want to stack on boss

"we'll time anyway"

[latent moss]

"pad"

double the boss damage

[slow saddle]

And also other dps usually just mass aoe my funneø

[thick kelp]

premades cluegi deluxe

[latent moss]

🥀

[slow saddle]

Like dogs

[ionic mica]

most pugs probably wouldnt know what funnel even means

[latent moss]

refer them to biz's video and vods

[slow saddle]

Yup

[versed lagoon]

where else can you funnel like you can on forgemaster?

[latent moss]

biz pulled

[ionic mica]

it takes the spec you play having good funnel for the term to enter your consciousness

[latent moss]

253k in pit 19

axaxxaax

[thick kelp]

yeah I saw

[latent moss]

nice spec

[thick kelp]

crazy

[slow saddle]

Also in 14-16s tanks cant live everythin

Coz they bad

[latent moss]

name me one spec that does 253k

there

[slow saddle]

Ofc

U c that

[abstract sphinx]

bizz is hacking bro

[slow saddle]

They let him funnel

[latent moss]

not even demo lock does that

[slow saddle]

While they at only

And some of hos dmg is 0 hp mobs

[latent moss]

damage to them doesnt count

[ionic mica]

im pretty sure details doesnt count it yeah

[slow saddle]

Dno man

Blizzars trash

[latent moss]

either way he was doing

115k to the boss

[ionic mica]

otherwise 4 of them plus boss would be like 300k

[latent moss]

instead of 60k

[ionic mica]

think about 2nd boss seat

[latent moss]

farover 275k dps 20 seat

on 2nd boss

[ionic mica]

it would be more than that on meters if the 0hp guys counted

[abstract sphinx]

would anyone be king enough to take a look at my log and give me advice? (+17 POS)

[abstract sphinx]

i mean kind* but works as well

[latent moss]

just send it here

[abstract sphinx]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aW261nRdQfHF8gDt?fight=6&type=damage-done

i had one unlucky gargoyle death

but thats it

[latent moss]

im not on pc right now

will look at it in a bit

[abstract sphinx]

take your time big bro

[slow saddle]

Do u pull like biz?

With shit on bosses

[abstract sphinx]

necrolord one first boss

[slow saddle]

Like his grp does not use aoe

[abstract sphinx]

and 1 pack undeads on 2nd boss

but my group does aoe xD

[latent moss]

assa still funnels afaik

[slow saddle]

If big target up they seem to st and let him cøeafe

[latent moss]

not sure about feral

[abstract sphinx]

ye assa funnels for sure

[slow saddle]

Feral steals dmg for sure

[abstract sphinx]

Adds got deleted on bosses tbh

Eradicated

I was trolling tho didnt save cds for one BL

[latent moss]

are you not paralyzing lich?

[slow saddle]

Y thats not the play ideally

[abstract sphinx]

U mean the caster undead? Lich cant be para

Tank only pulled small undead pack (without caster) with 2nd boss

May the lord save me from my two champion trinkets tho

[thick kelp]

gotta control it

[latent moss]

didnt mean lich

u para the necrolyte

[abstract sphinx]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

nah we didnt

damm thats smart xd

[daring pagoda]

Is there any way to get a rend is missing alert/icon post weak auras? Keep forgetting, especially when its on a pack that bloodletting is refreshing the primary target rend and I don't notice its dropped off the other enemies.

[thick kelp]

nop

[latent moss]

need better plates

[slow saddle]

Nah man just gotta.count to 20 in his head

Old school wow

[bleak arrow]

If they want to break addons we need FF14 style target list for managing dots.

Still being punished for things that happened 20 years ago with dot classes

[latent moss]

on first pull u didnt play ur opener properly. u sent 1 cleave into ms into op into demolish. if u dont have 10 stacks of colossal might u should rav ava wb cleave x4 ms demo.

a tip for first pull u can pre ss

so u stack cm while tank is gathering

and ss is back once broad strokes ss expires

i recommend watching how biz/farover do it

[sharp goblet]

wb?

[latent moss]

cs*

[sharp goblet]

hehe

[latent moss]

has same icon as wb

too used to it

im not very well versed in reading m+ logs ngl but ur rota seems fine on aoe

its definitely not the reason ure not doing more

its probably not managing cds well

or letting colossal might/heroic might drop

but thats more of a route/tank issue

pit is a dungeon where u should have high stacks of heroic might every pull

are u getting 2 sets of cs+demo every pack

i saw that in some pulls u dont get 2 sets

[abstract sphinx]

I usaully try to do it but i got slapped in the face once and now im a good boy and wait for tank to fully gather xD

[latent moss]

should prolly communicate it with the tank

i assume ure premade

[ionic mica]

as long as you hit stuff you see the tank throw a keg at you should be fine

[forest eagle]

Damn, gime a shaman every key now

[abstract sphinx]

unfortunately not, all my friends are fellow dirty dps players

[full obsidian]

how does one sim for m+ exactly

[olive nest]

I just sim st and gear for that

You can sim 8T 40 if you want a general idea on what potion or trinket will be best for aoe if that’s what you want to focus on

I would not gear any other items that way personally

[full obsidian]

fair enuf

[cobalt lodge]

So slayer arms is fully dead after reset right?

[last saddle]

we don’t actually know

[latent moss]

no

nothing will change

compared to other classes

[cobalt lodge]

Reap only proccing on 20% of cleaves and free cleaves downgraded to 2 instead of 3 will hit hard

Reap was usually top 3 of my dps abilities in keys

[cobalt lodge]

Do think i will just reroll. Colo arms is garbage playstyle wise

[latent moss]

sims were done

we are up in st

and down 3% in aoe in a vacuum

in a real scenarios we are prolly up

cause burst has a lot more value

than passive deep wounds dmg

[halcyon valve]

More demolish
More fun

[thorn stream]

its not that insane

not like we are having bad aoe and it will get nerfed further

[raw zenith]

I need everyone to apologize for making fun of me
@mortal rivet @devout pewter @solar nymph @chrome lava @unborn canyon
Thank you for your time and apologies.

[unborn canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[raw zenith]

i never forget

[nova marsh]

Skill issue

[chrome lava]

apologize for what

[sweet estuary]

You were fuckin right oh great prince

[jagged finch]

deadass, why is blood knight's armor kit better than forest hunter, surely 115 stam has more value for us than 27 armor?

[latent moss]

armor = damage

armored to the teeth

[mortal rivet]

Take out paladins and tell me how we really are!

But in keys I concede, you were correct

[thick hamlet]

mind sharing? i cant find any sims anywhere

[jagged finch]

Ah thats right! thank you!

[slate oriole]

sry new here, why does wowhead say bis is crafted cape. can i craft boots instead, will it matter much? my current cape is better than my boots

[latent moss]

here is for me

forest vs blood kit

im running stamina cause idc about 80 dps

[latent moss]

idk where they are anymore but fishy sent them here i think a while ago

st up 3-4% aoe down 3% in a vacuum. probably neutral/up in actual content

for slayer

colo is like 7-8% st up 1-3% aoe down in a vacuum

probably neutral/up in actual content

im not sure about the exact numbers but its something along those lines

overall good changes

[latent moss]

this is in colo m+ talents

[rose matrix]

So Colossus got nerfed in AOE and we have to cast demolish more? That should be fun

[flat willow]

Too bad casters don't have as many instants as in war within

Or you could say that colossus arms has more casts per minute than mages

Fucking auto correct

I remember watching a stream of a mage in season 1 of war within and he casted 2 times in 1 minute

[latent moss]

its like watching a "melee" spec

stand in ranged and lose 0 dmg

(unholy dk)

[flat willow]

Hey they lose like 1% damage

(they are doing twice your single target from 30 yards pressing 2 buttons)

[latent moss]

walk in press festering strike and scythe

go back to rangew

walk in press soul reaper go out

👍

[latent moss]

most boring rotation

ive ever played

[jagged fable]

It's pretty weird they don't give more dam to compensate for not being a pseudo ranged

[latent moss]

ure pressing 2 buttons over and over

and both do legit nothing

ur overall is

9000000000 dmg sources

[eternal edge]

Hey guys, any talent tree / recommandations for pvp? Def not sure what i need to pick fr

[flat willow]

Yeah but you can summon whitemane and she does a lot of damage

Every man's dream, having whitemane dps for you

[latent moss]

real

only fun part is riding on a horse

and immuning shit with ams

[flat willow]

It is pretty funny ignoring every mechanic

[latent moss]

y

[flat willow]

"yeah the tank trolled and moved the boss the wrong direction, I don't really care cuz I have 30 yards on all my abilities"

Very relaxing after a stressing m+ where you cancelled 2 demolish

[warm fog]

My favorite part about Unholy is you almost dont even need the CDM

just your runes/RP and a few cooldowns

None of your rotational shit has a cooldown

all 4 buttons of it

[fervent cedar]

Arms warriors when they realize other classes arent stuck in the stone age like we are

[latent moss]

my favorite part is 1 rune = 10 rp

doesnt make the rotation

insanely boring or anything

[latent moss]

arms is infinitely

more engaging

[warm fog]

of course it is

[nova marsh]

I mean ngl

[flat willow]

I mean I like the rune system

It's unique

[nova marsh]

The rune system is good

That's all I like about dk

[latent moss]

it is i just wish 1 rune wasnt 10rp

[flat willow]

I'm more annoyed at unholy being a fully ranged spec for no reason

[nova marsh]

I think doubble resources is actually cool

[flat willow]

Even ret paladin loses dps when they aren't in melee

[warm fog]

They looked at ret paladin popularity and said "what if just even more ranged?"

[nova marsh]

Literally they just need to go into ranged once evrey like

20 seconds lol

[warm fog]

Its extremely comfortable

By far the tankiest dps, almost entirely ranged, very straightforward rotation

[boreal zealot]

yo. so i am unlikely to get any mythic riad trinket. is darkmoon hunt a good option? I alread have a hunt crafted weapon also

[warm fog]

You can even jump spin between globals

[latent moss]

i would agree with this if dk wasnt a thing

[boreal zealot]

crafting with mythic crests

[nova marsh]

They're

talking about dk

lol

[warm fog]

Sorry im talking about DK

[latent moss]

oh he mentioned ret so i thought it was about ret

[warm fog]

its like playing a more tanky BM hunter

[latent moss]

id say its like

dk>warr>ret

from my experience

[warm fog]

for what? vibes?

[latent moss]

survivability

[warm fog]

Yeah ret is oddly low right now

[latent moss]

ret has bubble which can be massive sometimes

[warm fog]

But it gets an immune

[latent moss]

idk dk is also weird

is it magic damage?

yes u take 0dmg

is it phys?

u explode

[warm fog]

the icing on the DK cake is that there are multiple fights this tier where grip is actually amazing

[latent moss]

warr like takes low dmg from all sources

but u need to use ur defensives

before the damage

and a lot of people struggle with that

[nova marsh]

that's like

a lot of specs

[warm fog]

its how most defensives work, even DK

[latent moss]

sure but dk is a lot tankier baseline

will of the necropolis alone

saves u from many oneshots

[warm fog]

No one here is gonna argue with you that UDK isnt head and shoulders the best melee

[flat willow]

I will

It's a disgrace to call unholy a melee

[nocturne kestrel]

sorry to be dumb, but avatar ravager macro works?

[minor gust]

An avatar ravager macro would work yes

[nocturne kestrel]

i tried /cast avatar /cast ravager

no go

[minor gust]

🤷

[late jay]

some would disagree

[dim basalt]

yeah unholy players because they dont wanna get bullied like rets

[late jay]

pala players get aroused by it, what is the dk player angle?

[dim basalt]

[nova marsh]

ya know

I love how just trying to reroll my key

[hard juniper]

On separate lines though right?

#showtooltip
/cast avatar
/cast ravager

[nova marsh]

has resuled in two bricked up keys

One of them

cuz I accidently joined a griup with OCE

dude I literally

cannot play the game

[ebon tendon]

its been a hot minute since ive done this its terrible as a cst player lol

[nova marsh]

My game is a god damn slide show

[ebon tendon]

o7

[nocturne kestrel]

ty

[nova marsh]

617 world

kill me

[jagged finch]

Am i wrong in saying that the arms changes are a ST buff ?

[latent moss]

no

pretty big for colo

decent for slayer

[jagged finch]

I thought so, but everyone is dooming, guess everyone is a m+ player

[hard juniper]

Did you try flipping your modem upside down to match the southern hemisphere?

[latent moss]

idk i havent seen anyone dooming

anyone that actually understands these changes

its a st buff and minor loss on aoe in a vacuum

in actual content aoe is probably neutral or maybe a bit better

[thick hamlet]

biggest doom ive seen is 1 guy complaining about having to use demolish more

[hard juniper]

The only dooming will be spending 2 out of every 15 seconds channeling if it is worth sending demo on cd. Melee warlock

[nova marsh]

I aint getting up mid key for this shit

[hard juniper]

But probably way better lineups in st evening out the jank

[nova marsh]

Guys

Eldre'thalas is OCE ye?

Oh

It's not wtf

So legit my internet had a stroke and bricked a key

neat

[halcyon valve]

kinda funny that i currently only have a single item with vers on it

like, this is what my sims say is best for dps, but it just feels wrong y'know

a sad little 105 vers from a ring that isnt even my bis

[vast helm]

rouge will rise on M+

[halcyon valve]

one enchant is more stat in avoidance than that

[pulsar frost]

Everyone's happy with colo m+ changes tho

[granite stone]

does collosus smash do more damage to your selected target ? (as in worth putting it on a focus target?)

[soft viper]

the first 2 smacks are ST and the final is an aoe

[granite stone]

ty

[soft viper]

you can sweep those first too 😄

[fervent cedar]

Hes asking about smash not demolish

[fallen axle]

you mean demolish

[granite stone]

so no priority dmg for CS?

[minor gust]

No

[last salmon]

If i get lucky on my SD procs is it worth it to spend bladestorm on the CS window where we dont have avatar, even if thats going to possibly desync the next bladestorm ?

[granite stone]

👍

[stuck yacht]

after patch Arms steel better for M+ y?

[fervent cedar]

Yes

[stuck yacht]

Col or Slayer?

[fallen axle]

Isnt it already XD

[fervent cedar]

Either one

[minor gust]

You don't hold BS for avatar just CS. As long as CS is on the target press BS

[fervent cedar]

Col might be better because of the demolish cd but slayer will still be good

[last salmon]

Copy, thank you so much 🙂

[minor gust]

Colo will very likely become more of the goto in 12.05, but slayer will still be a good spec to play if your someone who really likes it

Both specs have timed 20s and that isn't changing

[jovial hare]

colo is just gonna be the push spec
maybe
slayer's dmg profile might end being more valuable in the highest keys

[gentle gyro]

Is the new col change even that good?

Demolish is gonna come off cd faster than Warbreaker

[minor gust]

Doesn't matter it's double the demolish casts in aoe. Colo is also getting a decent ST buff.

[rain fiber]

can I ask questions here? I don't know if anyone uses the log channel. I haven't seen any response to the question threads, but I don't want to disrupt the discussion here either

[gentle gyro]

ST buff?

I gotta read those notes again

[elder path]

Ask away brother

[weak rain]

so double MS crit will reduce demo cd by freaking 20 sec, thats insane

CRITMAXXING

[elder path]

Yea that shit is gonna hit like crack

And if you OP and reset MS you’re gonna fully finish in your pants

[rain fiber]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/xwTdVqvmKXjBMbF1/yXH2h9QaPWB6JpbA?type=damage-done&fight=20%2C19&source=23%2C36&start=7679304%2C2904929&end=8044548%2C3270173

I'm doing poop damage on our prog and my ST as Collosus is really bad. I know I have casts issues, like casting too few MS, but my average damage per cast is poop too on Cleave and on MS. I don't know how to identify the problem, cause it's not obvious. Am I missing a proc or something?

[minor gust]

Comparing avg dmg per cast is a waste of your time

If you are casting too few MS that's a big problem

That button should be on CD always

[rain fiber]

True that, but also Cleave seems to do 60% of the damage despite both of us casting a simmilar ammount

[elder path]

Yea first thing I noticed was 20 less MS casts

[rain fiber]

So idk if it's me not making use of something

[elder path]

That could be a player positioning thing if you’re not angling yourself correctly

Also in the two target portion of the fight you only use cleave if you have three stacks of CD as far as I know

[azure tulip]

the avg cleave dmg is ab a 100k disparity

btw the 2

[rain fiber]

I might need to track Collateral

To juice Cleave more then

[minor gust]

Again comparing avg dmg is a waste of time. Other guy is just able to pad more on orbs than you

It's not the collateral stacks

[elder path]

That’s it ultimately now that I’m looking

[ionic mica]

well he also does a lot more boss damage

[minor gust]

Or you are missing with cleave lots of shit could be wrong

[ionic mica]

it isnt just orbs

[elder path]

60 casts hitting 294 times is like 5 targets a cast on average

Yours is more like three targets a cast on average

[minor gust]

This log comparison is flawed anyways because you are comparing a kill to a non kill

[rain fiber]

so I should just focus on casting more MS on the meantime? It's driving me nuts to not know exactly the mistakes I'm making

[minor gust]

So of course the guy with the kill is gonna have more casts

I mean if you aren't pressing MS on cd yes that's a major red flag

[ionic mica]

when you get the suck and leap out, try to go far enough that you can charge back to a dragon

and on pull you dont need to send the 4 cleaves back to back, just do the ST rotation and track collateral damage to know when you can cleave over slam in 2t

[rain fiber]

I'm always on the 4 cleaves thing during 2T, I thought it was more damage than just doing the normal rotation

BUt that's something easier to fix, thanks

[minor gust]

[ionic mica]

it doesnt make them do any more damage, youd still want to MS/OP

below 35%/in ravager (but that would be with orbs anyway) you could cleave spam on 2t probably

but still MS prio always for 2t

i assume you have a dragon targeted when you are cleaving the orbs, cant tell from a log, and make sure the cleaves hit the dragons and the orbs

[night furnace]

hey guys, is any addon/m33kauras that can track the swing timer by any chance?

[rain fiber]

I'm swapping to orbs for CS/Demolish, since I thought if I didn't swap the AOE won't hit orbs (I'm not sure if the 8 yrds/10 yrds comes out of the boss/target or player), so I thought it was better to targer orbs in order to secure the damage

Then again, I've asked and people were unsure here

[ashen trout]

rly curious if arms will just be straight up better in raid next week than fury lol

[ionic mica]

the last thing i would say for now is sweeping strikes uptime, you should wait until you run out of charges from CS before pressing a raw SS

by the time those run out you get back to a CS and its very high uptime

[ornate juniper]

is a mythic Puzzle box better than champ heart? sims telling me heart but i somehow cant believe that, also seen rumors about box being weird on sims

[azure tulip]

all my homies hate puzzle box

2s cast time 😴

[ionic mica]

for CS and demolish yeah you target the orbs, id also be scared to not hit orbs with demolish if you dont swap targets. but after demo ends, swap back to a dragon and hit both dragons and the orbs with cleave. worst case one dragon and the orbs if your raids mass grip is weird

[rain fiber]

Thanks for all the help, I'm write down the notes and work on that, maybe I just need to press CS more and fix a bit of my positioning

[ionic mica]

if you need more feedback just ask again 🙂 the main things would be MS prio and SS uptime

apart from that you should be fine

[rain fiber]

Thanks, I was really going crazy

[safe island]

is it worth holding bladestorm if avatar is coming off cooldown in a few seconds?

[polar lodge]

hi What settings do you use for Arms Warrior in Mythic+ at simcraft?

[dim basalt]

Patchwerk with more targets

[peak saddle]

why is dungeon slice not correct?

[exotic horizon]

Any one of you Guys know about not geting your Spark after finshing the weekly table quest ? i am stuck at 7/8

[wet current]

this seems like a nice QOL change. should help it generally line up with avatar more frequently.

Dominance of the Colossus reduces the cooldown of Demolish by 5 seconds when you would gain a stack of Colossal Might and are already at max stacks (was 2 seconds).

[dim basalt]

Because it is not maintained by our theorycrafters

Way too much work for the very little difference it makes

afaik theyd have to rewrite multiple hundred of lines each season

[ionic mica]

have you done the world tour quest from lorthemar?

you have to do it on each character for some reason

[peak saddle]

understood thx for the answer

[dim basalt]

Its more than a QoL in aoe, you should be able to cast another demo between two cs windows

Sims show a cd of roughly 17 seconds

[silk spade]

check if you have done the midnight world tour quest

[wet current]

wow that could be huge then

[dim basalt]

tbf thats also with lust but still

But it should be pretty neat nonetheless

[wet current]

combine that with practiced strikes changes and colossus could be eating well

[dim basalt]

it is eating well

[wet current]

tyvm

[fallen anchor]

will the new changes make us only play colo in mytthic plus maybe except skyreach ?

[dim basalt]

Perhaps

[fallen anchor]

cuz demolish will still apply deep wounds

[wet current]

Since we've had to play colossus so much the past few years, i've really grown to enjoy it. it feels more intentional or a little lower APM than slayer. I do hate that demolish locks us in place, but once you get the flow of a dungeon it's fine

[dim basalt]

Can leap during demolish

[wet current]

wait really? lol

[dim basalt]

yeah

[warm fog]

Wow that’s insane

[wet current]

wow i feel really dumb lol i play only arms and only one character since start of dragonflight and never knew that lmao

[dim basalt]

It was something they added mid S1 or sometime in S2 I dont remember

[last saddle]

wouldve thoguht it cancels it bc jumping cancels it

[robust coyote]

fuck that's going to be fun lol

[nova marsh]

Yeah its gonna fuck

[dim basalt]

funnel go brrr

My god it takes forever to get into a +17 key

[exotic horizon]

i see . i am on it

[wet current]

man this is the only thing that saves me when there is lag in wow. your character gets stuck even though the animation for demolish went off. Can only get out of it by jumping

[granite stone]

Heroic Strike procs - cant be tracked?

[dim basalt]

You need to track Slam for it

[granite stone]

ty

[nova marsh]

"Addressed an issue where Merciless Subjugator’s Chains of Subjugation can be interrupted unintentionally."
Question

What does this mean

[white gate]

i think their cast could just be interrupted, when it shouldn't be interruptible

i dont think its referring to people removing the effect with snare breaks

[granite stone]

CDM is saying cant add an alert for this ability?

[safe dagger]

with the changes in the patch how will slayer be sitting?

[dim basalt]

Unfortunately not

At least not that Im aware of

[granite stone]

ty

[shut token]

Mortal strike buffed from execute takes priority over heroic strike right?

[minor gust]

Everything is held around CS. Send CS on cd and hold other CDs for next CS. If you are sending CS on CD shouldn't really be a noticeable desync.

[bitter escarp]

in execute HS takes prio over ms

[shut token]

I mean if I just pressed execute so the next mortal strike is buffed from it and heroic strike procs at the same time

[bitter escarp]

yes even with two stacks of ep

[shut token]

Alright thanks

[bitter escarp]

i cant believe they did my boy piercing howl dirty

[slow saddle]

Sadly cdm sux vs weakaura

[safe jay]

They can be with tellmewhen

[granite stone]

setting up arms prior to hitting the target dummies - couple questions please
1] we dont spec into cleave for this seasons raids even on mutitarget?
2] really just like to get to grips with one spec - is slayer viable in m+?

[granite stone]

ty

[slow saddle]

Yeye

[nova marsh]

Slayer is fine in keys, and arguably better then colo for pugs because you arent tank dependant.
For cleave, the reason is pretty simple: arms has to give up a lot of st for okay aoe

[slow saddle]

An broad strikes + powerfull momentom

Does enuff at low cost

Though i would say

Next week learn col

[granite stone]

3] so for a council or say the paladin (raid) fight we wouldnt spec cleave, yep?

[slow saddle]

We would

[nova marsh]

For council we go full cleave

[slow saddle]

Thats 3 targrt

[nova marsh]

But thats because its all boss damage

But for like dragons

[granite stone]

mb , i though council was 2 targets :)

[nova marsh]

The pad isnt worth it (or you could just play colo on dragons and pad the shit out of evreything

I mean

Council is weird

Its like 2.5

[granite stone]

ty

[nova marsh]

Cuz one of them just goes off and does mechs for like half the fight

[granite stone]

i take it Colo is bad for ST?

[nova marsh]

Yes colo is more aoe orientated

[shut token]

Only until Tuesday right?

[nova marsh]

But after next week should have reasonable st

[shut token]

At least one more demolish per minute maybe two?

[slow saddle]

So mby most bosses become

[granite stone]

is there a ST colo build floating around yet?

[slow saddle]

Col

[granite swift]

on colo? how has the ST improved other than an extra demolish?

[slow saddle]

I mean mortal woubds comes of slam

[nova marsh]

Slam on mortal wounds

+demo aligns better with cs

[shut token]

Is that gonna be a big difference?

[slow saddle]

Also keep in mind. How often is there some meme mob u csn cleave on tl

So

[nova marsh]

Infinite funnel in pit

[slow saddle]

1st 2nd 3rs 4th 5th bosses

In raid has loads of chances 2 increase demo reset

[shut token]

They also nerf ms by 5% if I remember correctly

[slow saddle]

10 sec cd of demo m8

With sweep

And battlelord, has 2 cook🤣

[nova marsh]

They did?

Oh strikes

[safe dagger]

how is slayer looking after the patch tuesday?

[slow saddle]

Same

[nova marsh]

Slayer looses reap on ms

[rare kite]

better in most scenarios

[nova marsh]

But gains more st from woinds

[rare kite]

bladestorm will actually fuck with the 20% buff. that's not a small amount

[dim basalt]

Finally found a group after like 30 minutes of queueing

[kind stag]

waiting on cone tech with guidon and reck pot for giga haste infinite duration CS

[dim basalt]

Surely it will be timed

[shut token]

Practiced strikes yea

[safe dagger]

will the lack of deep wounds hurt?

on aoe

[latent moss]

no

[slow saddle]

I mean yes

But its compensated for col

Prob hurts slayer aoe a bit

[hollow bronze]

Can i get a TLDR is arms up or down in 12.0.5?

for M+

[slow saddle]

Big up

[rose ibex]

Clarms up

[slow saddle]

Like col has to be fuckin mental

[rose ibex]

Slarms about even i think

[slow saddle]

Y so loosin

Coz col deffo stronger

[rose ibex]

Concerning

[slow saddle]

So id say gap widened

[rose ibex]

I like spin build

[slow saddle]

Nah

[rose ibex]

Yah

[slow saddle]

I mean cols st increase is mainly no tech

So not so horrid

[granite stone]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#rotations-single-target
Cleave is a typo?

[slow saddle]

Though i still say buff arms st in generaø

Ms could get anotjer 10%

[latent moss]

no

[granite stone]

its not in the ST build?

[latent moss]

its in the m+ build

[slow saddle]

I mean u cant press aoe in st

Cleave main str is the insane funnel of fervor tbh

[latent moss]

hover over the question mark

[slow saddle]

Like the mass aoe also good, but even if they nerf cleave funnel still maaad

[granite stone]

ty, not sure i understand it being there though sorry

[jovial hare]

20% please and thank u
also give colossus a reason to press execute, also thank u

[slow saddle]

I mean

If u buff ms 2å%

Reason is ep

Issue is rage

[latent moss]

really dont need more ms dmg

imo

25.6 is a lot

[slow saddle]

Yes we do

It should be 30%

[jovial hare]

make rend go bongo or something

[cobalt pelican]

Nah it should be 40%

[jovial hare]

then

idk

[latent moss]

remove rend

[slow saddle]

I mean no

Let rend interact

Or remove

Choose 1

[jovial hare]

what if rend did 3x more dmg and sd could make it pop for more dam or something

[slow saddle]

Lets say rend gave us proper rahe

Nah just let rend solve our rage issues

[rare kite]

i want 33-35% about 1/3rd is good to me

[jovial hare]

idk can we just have rend be fucking interactive please
something
I hate pressing the button but i like the concept of a single on demand dot

[cobalt pelican]

and than reapplys rend after popping it OMG

[slow saddle]

Tbh agreed esp seeing we play battellord🤣

Like 25.7% when we battlelord

Is bad

[jovial hare]

just extra splash dmg
doesn't need to actually remove the dot

[granite stone]

It feels like this spec got left alone for the ability squish, multiple abilities either doing single target or cleave seems counter intuitive to there design for mn?

[latent moss]

wdym we got pruned

[candid pecan]

HOLY piano

[latent moss]

i fw the piano right now

cleave>ms>op is the best aoe rota

[jovial hare]

I like piano arms tbh

[latent moss]

arms ever had

ever since i started playing*

[jovial hare]

id rather die than have a rotation i could put on my mouse wheel

[latent moss]

same

[granite stone]

am just setting it up, just seems, busier than what they stated they were aiming for

[jovial hare]

can't say id miss pressing ss tho

[minor gust]

Sadly slayer is now cleave op Ms. Wish DN did a lot more dmg. Shit does the same as op at 5 targets kinda sad

[unreal river]

my single target is atrocious

[dim basalt]

Played WRS for the first time as arms

Holy fuck is the last boss miserable for col arms

lol

[gentle gyro]

which one isn't

[dim basalt]

the duo boss is sick

[sacred zodiac]

any boss that has 2 or more targets

[dim basalt]

ye

[sacred zodiac]

hit like a truck

[fair siren]

seat has a W boss for col

[dim basalt]

but last boss spire just has so much downtime

but idc I timed

[latent moss]

u can ignore the circle

with demo

not sure if u should do it tho

[latent moss]

horrible boss

[latent moss]

i think with fierce followthrough

they are same?

ms>op and op>ms

idk how is it on st tho

shouldnt change anything on st i think

[thick kelp]

its like ms=op in aoe

[gentle gyro]

dreadnaught is so ass it hurts my soul

[minor gust]

Def worth swapping to OPP now you doing op > ms

[latent moss]

ye its op > ms with opp

op=ms with ff

[quiet merlin]

For slayer arms on 2 target bosses, do you press cleave only with 3 stacks of the sweeping strike buff or only if nothing else is available?

[nova marsh]

Last boss is annoying

But at least the key is kinda free

[final rover]

did someone check how much % will the damage change after next patch?

[minor gust]

Slayer key thoughts. I still haven't simmed it yet will when I get home.

This with OPP and op > ms

[regal burrow]

i feel like an old person watching kids with their slang sorry

[latent moss]

i think mass has more value

over mp

but mp does buff ms in aoe idk

[minor gust]

Massacre?

[latent moss]

y

not sure

[minor gust]

Ehhh

Rage problems

No ct

[latent moss]

hmm

true

[minor gust]

I figured bleeds nerfed and no reap Ms. Drop BLord and BB for more op dmg and MP/powerful

Mp will feel better to take since I'm gonna cast op more in aor

[slow saddle]

Dreadnaught in beta❤️

[minor gust]

That op execute talent won't feel as bad to take for it

[latent moss]

could drop

for 2x ct + fatal

for like

aa and skyreach

[minor gust]

I can try and play around with that two tonight. Feel fatal kinda ass maybe massacre better

Since you got 2Ct

[latent moss]

st is 3min
8t is 1min
st heavy:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/joN1pADBwGChPajWXHjoDt
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kWeSzeQNUVWGKNxtUjSNgm

aoe heavy:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Jj62YanG7UMs3iyy2X8Ch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7LxfjFRyjnuhzuYHW1txg9

idk seems like

it doesnt really matter

u can run talent combinations

in top gear

[minor gust]

Is that with updated apl of op > Ms?

[latent moss]

no i should rerun on mimiron with new apl ye

[dim basalt]

Sure but that's not gonna make the boss any better haha

Feral was also like "arms in a nutshell"

Otherwise col feels great in that dungeon

[latent moss]

ye true

[oak skiff]

so guys slayer arms for keys in the next patch is dead? no flurry with mortal strike and no mortal wounds with cleave? 🥲 sorry im a nobbie warrior, just equip 270 this week

[olive nest]

You will still be able to play slayer no problem just expect less performance than colossus

[dense edge]

Does arms pull through in mythic with higher add health? Or is the haste threshold getting to a point where arms will indefinitely pull ahead higher now than at the start of the expansion?

I main as fury but i hear and see conflicting dps reports and such but logs for arms are more prevalent now

[olive nest]

The reality is blizzard decides which spec is better

[dense edge]

Well, yes.

[languid torrent]

I still think it'll be a really good go to for like your 10s-12s weekly keys

[latent moss]

nothing will change

[pulsar frost]

I mean when mobs have more health the numbers go higher. Idk about the haste part since both dps specs can more or less have same haste. Fury srill does well numbers wise. Col arms just pulls ahead in overall due to being the better aoe spec

[latent moss]

it will still be insane for m+

colo will just probably be objectively better for high keys

and by high keys i mean 19s+

[unreal river]

is the singletarget nerfed with 0.5

we dont play colossus ever

other than vanguard

[wind hatch]

no its buffed

colossus is played on mythic dragons too

[unreal river]

idk i am having such a bad time in raid i think i'll just stop raiding

[wind hatch]

slam is getting deep wounds which more than makes up for the removal of ms from reap

[slow saddle]

Col can shine on dragons

Van

1st and 2nd boss mayhaps. ( prob slayer)

Vanguars

And then raid tier is over

We go on bench

[unreal river]

yea but i dont rly pull my weight on the other 7 bosses, it just sucks

[slow saddle]

U can

Look at like shirleythebandit

[latent moss]

ye

leap onto small adds on salhadaar while the boss is at 5% hp

to wb ava bladestorm

truly ethical

[bitter escarp]

super ethic

required even

some would say

[unreal river]

my guild is starting mythic prog today but tbh i think i'll pass

[slow saddle]

I mean they could reach boss

[slow saddle]

Like fr

Arms is fine

First 5

[bitter escarp]

bro just snipe the adds on imperator and dodge daggers

[latent moss]

they were not even close to the boss

0 boss dam was done with those 3 cds

[unreal river]

i aint having fun playing it in raid, m+ on the opposite is very fun but i play for raid so i cba

[slow saddle]

No reasonx2 risk it🤣🤣🤣

[unreal river]

will get my 3.4k, try one raid in the new patch and gg go next

[bitter escarp]

:/

[slow saddle]

I mean, we are tuned bad

In st

No lie

Powerfull momentum + broadstrokes

Carries us🤣

[rare kite]

ahh so close to 90k sim

[bitter escarp]

nutz

im only at 88.7