Good, i was questioning my sanity
#arms
hybrid needle
olive nest
I would not leave the mob pile to hit a gargoyle
pulsar frost
If a guildie tank moves i just bomb them in raid since they dps or heal
olive nest
Goodluck being out in Africa
safe dagger
Mortal Wounds now triggers from Mortal Strike and Slam (was Mortal Strike and Cleave).
Crushing Combo removes the cooldown from your next 2 uses of Cleave (was 3).
Reap the Storm has been updated – When Cleave hits 3 or more targets you have a 20% chance to unleash a flurry of steel, striking all nearby enemies for high Physical damage and applying Overwhelmed.
will the changes here be a nerf overall? for aoe
minor gust
Very tiny nerf for Colo minor nerf for slayer
Arms m+ aoe will still be very strong for both specs
neon shale
boy whats name of crafted cloak?
olive nest
Googled cape of the scholar
safe dagger
Arms m+ aoe will still be very strong for both specs
is the bladestrom buff offsetting it?
loud fjord
colossus when the st phase starts:
minor gust
is the bladestrom buff offsetting it?
For slayer? Yes BS buff helps off set it
safe dagger
For slayer? Yes BS buff helps off set it
for slayer how much of a nerf is it
surreal spade
what dungeons is best slayer? and what is best colossus ?
hybrid needle
Biz has a section about that in his arms guide. He also said he sometimes did more dmg with the other specc, soooo
minor gust
for slayer how much of a nerf is it
Like four or 5%?
surreal spade
Biz has a section about that in his arms guide. He also said he sometimes did mo...
in the video?
pulsar frost
is 10 extra prim stat really worth the extra 6-7k gold
warped spade
is 10 extra prim stat really worth the extra 6-7k gold
define worth?
minor gust
That's up to you and how much gold you have
forest eagle
Arms changes looks pretty solid to me next week. What are your thoughts?
safe dagger
Like four or 5%?
yikes
hybrid needle
4 or 5% will still put u above your dualwielding option and above most other speccs
latent moss
Arms changes looks pretty solid to me next week. What are your thoughts?
good changes
full obsidian
Is there a macro for stance switchin n shi
hybrid needle
Is pit the best dung for our extra rolls next week?
It has chest, neck, Ring, hands, belt ...
thorn stream
Like four or 5%?
Aoe?
safe dagger
4 or 5% will still put u above your dualwielding option and above most other spe...
i assume with the bladestorm buff the st will be better tho?
thorn stream
Is there a macro for stance switchin n shi
There should be one in the guide
hybrid needle
i assume with the bladestorm buff the st will be better tho?
🤷♂️
full obsidian
There should be one in the guide
Which one?
safe dagger
why are we nerfing arms when ret just kinda exists and pumps lol
forest igloo
They seem to hold a huge grudge towards arms lol
full obsidian
Like a one button for both kinda deal?
dim basalt
why are we nerfing arms when ret just kinda exists and pumps lol
Not really getting nerfed tbh
flat willow
It's a very small nerf
light dew
Hello arms brothers. Anyone know what the dps loss for arms is using the rotation assist tool? I remember wowhead used to in the class guides mention how much dps you would lose if you use cds and rotation assist but I guess they removed them from the guides or Im just blind
Thinking of switching from fury to arms and want to use it for the time being while I learn the class
forest igloo
I mean yes but still , the point is they still have sometjing to say about arms which is just funny at this point
hybrid needle
Im debating if i should trans female voidelf cause it just looks funny with a 2hander 
flat willow
Honestly with arms starting to deal comparable damage to the chosen specs I expected a 20% blanket nerf
Kinda glad the nerfs are very small
forest igloo
Yup , at the end of the day , we still eatin good
neon shale
is fury cookd
flat willow
They reverted the change that destroyed fury didn't they
full obsidian
Is there a nerf inc?
flat willow
Very small aoe nerf and very small single target buff
full obsidian
While ret is raw dogging
flat willow
Well, depends on which hero spec you play
full obsidian
Like fr
forest eagle
They seem to hold a huge grudge towards arms lol
What u mean
hybrid needle
is fury cookd
Fury is fine. Weaker than arms but not unplayable
kind stag
if someone can do a 20 key on fury so can you on a 12
covert birch
Playing arms in ST scenarios in M+ make me wanna kms, is it normal 2 days into starting arms at max level
forest eagle
if someone can do a 20 key on fury so can you on a 12
If they do 20, we do 25!
latent moss
Playing arms in ST scenarios in M+ make me wanna kms, is it normal 2 days into s...
tanks should pull mobs on top of boss
for u to funnel
kind stag
Playing arms in ST scenarios in M+ make me wanna kms, is it normal 2 days into s...
dont play colossus
covert birch
Dayum
kind stag
unless you funnel or giga good
covert birch
Thanks for the heads up
mortal crag
Sims higher
latent moss
Sims higher
not on aoe noob
mortal crag
I'll sim aoe later giganoob
latent moss
also its cringe
mortal crag
Finished pit 19 at 230k btw
latent moss
goat
mortal crag
Farover more like closeover
rancid willow
This chat confuses me. Reports on wowhead and icy say arms is dumpster fire level bad in m+
What is it truly?
hybrid needle
What is it truly?
rancid willow
So we good again?!
I played arms the first week of the season, couldn’t get an invite so went fury.
hybrid needle
Arms was firedumpster on Release day
fervent cedar
So we good again?!
We've been good for a while
hybrid needle
Rn its in a slightly better spot than fury, both speccs are viable
rancid willow
Please tell me it’s col and not slayer
fervent cedar
You can do either
rancid willow
I fuckijg hate bladestorm
fervent cedar
Col is very high aoe but shit single target, slayer is more well rounded, less aoe but better single target
You can literally play either
rancid willow
Wowhead is up to date on stat prio right?
rancid willow
Looks like I need to recraft some stuff
Arms since 2005.
This was the first expansion where I gave in to fury
I said “fuck it…can’t beat em? Join em”
storm canopy
How do you guys stay alive in 17-18 Keys? I feel so squishy
hybrid needle
With that mindset you shouldve been unholy for the last 5 xpacs
dim basalt
How do you guys stay alive in 17-18 Keys? I feel so squishy
Actually press defensives
rancid willow
With that mindset you shouldve been unholy for the last 5 xpacs
Haha no!
dim basalt
SR and DStance are your best friends
fervent cedar
This was the first expansion where I gave in to fury
Arms was good in s2 tww
storm canopy
Actually press defensives
I am lol
rancid willow
Arms was good in s2 tww
I quit towards the end of S1
fervent cedar
I see
rancid willow
Got really into Baldur’s gate 3
fervent cedar
Yeah that'll do it lol
rancid willow
Put like 150hrs into my first playthrough
hybrid needle
Bg3 goated
reef prairie
you've got healthstone on like a 30s cd and spell reflect on 20
you should've feel squishy
storm canopy
With that mindset you shouldve been unholy for the last 5 xpacs
They are getting nerfed right?
reef prairie
shouldn't*
rancid willow
Bg3 goated
It’s top 5 for me.
ionic mica
you've got healthstone on like a 30s cd and spell reflect on 20
and dstance on a 3s cd xD
reef prairie
Yea and dstance ofc
hybrid needle
It’s top 5 for me.
Whats the 4 that are better
rancid willow
I wouldn’t say “better”, just what I personally enjoy
Wow, D3, Fallout 3, BG3, KOTOR1
hybrid needle
I only have 324h played on bg3. Now i feel bad
rancid willow
I know d3 got lots of hate but I enjoyed it immensely
Anno 1800 is another game I sunk insane time into. But nothing will ever beat WoW
I think I’ve got 9mo of time played on my Warrior
pulsar frost
1800 good. Rome seems fun but I heard wasn't good
hybrid needle
I think I’ve got 9mo of time played on my Warrior
Das not much
rancid willow
1800 good. Rome seems fun but I heard wasn't good
I hate the new one
rancid willow
Das not much
It’s not?!
hybrid needle
My rogue i had since classic i deleted with 700 days played cause i didnt wanna look at my time wasted 
rancid willow
It doesn’t have the feel that 1800 had
pulsar frost
That's fine imo
Need game in the series
Foesnt have to be 1 for 1 or anything close
rancid willow
My rogue i had since classic i deleted with 700 days played cause i didnt wanna ...
Holy cow. I have 7mo on my paladin. Swapped mains at the end of vanilla…around the time AQ40 came out
dim basalt
1800 was the perfect time age tbh
rancid willow
Swapped back to Warrior late in Cata
boreal tusk
Is the Slayer Target Cap gone, or is it not listed here? otherwise good change somehow?
prisma crag
Hey so I've been pushing as arms alot lately and reading the .5 changes and to me atleast not knowing the class that well, Reads like bad changes for colossus
pulsar frost
Like medieval for ck3
pulsar frost
Hey so I've been pushing as arms alot lately and reading the .5 changes and to m...
Col changes good tho
rancid willow
1800 was the perfect time age tbh
It was so fun to build the cities in 1800
fervent cedar
Is the Slayer Target Cap gone, or is it not listed here? otherwise good change s...
Cleave 3+ targets
Sudden death at any target count
prisma crag
Col changes good tho
Isnt the deep wounds to cleave being gone a bad thing though?
boreal tusk
Cleave 3+ targets
Sudden death at any target count
nah i mean reduced damage from reap the storm
prisma crag
Im trying to atleast understand where the gain is
pulsar frost
Isnt the deep wounds to cleave being gone a bad thing though?
Eh. Deep wounds isnt as much damage all together compared to last expac anyways
You get to hit demo more tho
fervent cedar
nah i mean reduced damage from reap the storm
Reap the storm itself hasn't changed at all
pulsar frost
Which is arguably more better
fervent cedar
Otherwise it would be in the patch notes
forest eagle
Im trying to atleast understand where the gain is
Im not gonna use slam on aoe for deepwounds tho 🫨🫨
pulsar frost
You can tech get 2 or 3 demos in a pack depending on health
boreal tusk
Otherwise it would be in the patch notes
"Reap the Storm has been updated – When Cleave hits 3 or more targets you have a 20% chance to unleash a flurry of steel, striking all nearby enemies for high Physical damage and applying Overwhelmed."
This is literally the new tooltip of reap the storm, only thing missing is a target cap
fervent cedar
I dont think it ever had one
boreal tusk
8 cap
pulsar frost
Im just happy with demo range increases
prisma crag
Which is arguably more better
Right but aren't you already using demo in packs atleast twice already if its a high enough key? For aoe it seems like it isnt anything cause I have it up alinged with my cds but in st is seems like a pretty big gain
pulsar frost
"Reap the Storm has been updated – When Cleave hits 3 or more targets you have a...
Just go test it on ptr
pulsar frost
Right but aren't you already using demo in packs atleast twice already if its a ...
Higher keys ypy would just hit it more. I see no issues here
fervent cedar
Then maybe they removed it, idk
flat willow
Right but aren't you already using demo in packs atleast twice already if its a ...
well now you'll be able to (sometimes) press demolish twice on the same colossus smash
pulsar frost
It should feel smoother
prisma crag
well now you'll be able to (sometimes) press demolish twice on the same colossus...
has that been tested and shown to happen?
prisma crag
Which is a good thing
Isn't the general rule not to use demo unless you have cs on mobs?
fervent cedar
Idk if youre getting 2 demolish in 1 cs window even with the extension
pulsar frost
But now demo comes up 2 sec faster instead
fervent cedar
You're definitely getting one in between each cs
pulsar frost
Generally I get cs up a few seconds before demo or by 10-15 seconds. This fixes it
Or ar least reduce it to like 5 or so secs
Idc for the wounds bleed as its not much damage this expac anyways
flat willow
I mean, if you mortal strike with sweeping strike up and both crit, that's 4 stacks of colossal might with precise might
so 20 sec of cdr
fervent cedar
You're getting demolish up way faster than cs
You will almost certainly be demolishing once during cs then once before your next cs
Then back up for next cs
pulsar frost
Keep in mind I dont have lots of crit since I main fury
So my crits are less lucky
If only I get heart man feels bad
flat willow
not saying it will happen often, but on the lust pull with pot and a crit trinket I think that will happen pretty constantly
flat willow
yes
thorn stream
Ok thought i was tripping for a sec
thorn stream
As long as we are still demise reaping
pulsar frost
What a time we live in
prisma crag
BT and MS proc removals
Dont think its a problem with it being bloodthirst since its going on ramp
fervent cedar
Can tune better now
Oh you sweet summer child
pulsar frost
I mean ST you cant proc reap at all besides SD no?
fervent cedar
I mean ST you cant proc reap at all besides SD no?
Correct
fervent cedar
Official patch notes are out buddy
Bold of you to assume we are getting anything
People have been spouting that same line about increased design space for weeks, even i did when the changes were first announced on ptr
Well... here we are
Nice design space
Hopefully they take advantage of it eventually
flat willow
hey, at least sudden death still procs reap
fervent cedar
Yes that is definitely a win
pulsar frost
At least col arms is goated in keys
fervent cedar
Its not all bad or anything mind you
pulsar frost
Fury is kinda eh rn
fervent cedar
Arms will be good in keys
It'll be the epitome of mid on any boss in raid not named lightbound vanguard
ionic mica
People have been spouting that same line about increased design space for weeks,...
space still exists even if there is nothing in it 🙂
sort of xD
fervent cedar
Thats a fine place for the spec to be
pulsar frost
Mid on boss is fine theres 3 dps
Have the 2 do good on boss while you pump in packs
pulsar frost
Packs still need to die to get to bosses decently
latent moss
if u ever bring 2 mobs to boss ure top dps on boss too
latent moss
can pull on 2nd boss skyreach
median spire
What sim settings do people use for M+?
hot current
is our colosus ms really gonna get nerfed for 5%
flat willow
is our colosus ms really gonna get nerfed for 5%
your slam too
low pond
!macros
uneven minnow
I have acquired the ring of powah
(always knock your 12's down to 10s and pug them it turns out)
dire hinge
Use both single target and 5 target then make an educated guess between the two options.
DungeonSlice is not currently supported. Arm’s current design works fine to use single target sims even if you want to know AoE choices.
Oh man my phone must be dying that question was from a while ago 💀
IGNORE ME
minor gust
yikes
Not really much. Slayer will still be a good spec in M+ just Colo is probably gonna avg better more now
nova marsh
Use both single target and 5 target then make an educated guess between the two ...
Hroth
Do u have the demolish crits gif
zealous sphinx
Ring enchant eyes of the eagles gives me a 0.5% Dps increase over crt enchant does that make sense'
halcyon valve
Looking forward to next weeks changes
Im gonna demolish so many times its gonna make me nut
nova marsh
Ring enchant eyes of the eagles gives me a 0.5% Dps increase over crt enchant do...
Yes
Eyes is stupid good when you stack crit
nova marsh
It is literally the only source of crit dam we have outside of impale and whatever the colo nodes name is
zealous sphinx
Thanks
Idk its not in either enchant list on the guide
I though it simc might read it wrong
white stratus
Collosus arms eating good lately been tons of fun too
calm hollow
Ring enchant eyes of the eagles gives me a 0.5% Dps increase over crt enchant do...
now that you say it, its an up for me too
scarlet mortar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hCcxoLCm7FsemQ6XmJs3Dw
crazy gear lol
fervent cedar
Ring enchant eyes of the eagles gives me a 0.5% Dps increase over crt enchant do...
Yes I do the same thing
Do as robot commands
calm hollow
crazy gear lol
just to be benched on Alleria and probably on March on Quel'Danas bosses too
scarlet mortar
im trying to find a mythic guild currently
i quit mythic raiding but i need the gear
nova marsh
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/muaHynxKAwf16hQ7nLgcam
Do 50 targets
stable fiber
no
do 1 million targets
ok
maybe i just go arcanoweave and delete wep embellishment anyways for consistency
idk what l'ura procs
stable fiber
that sounds like shit
rare kite
what creature type is l'ura?
vernal sand
wind chime
stable fiber
it does
nova marsh
do 1 million targets
Yes
stable fiber
she procs vers
nova marsh
YES
stable fiber
checking my logs
rare kite
she procs vers
yea so that's just real ass xD
stable fiber
hunt sims like 450 better then arcanoweave
need to figure out how to change mob type
i do have paladins wep though but its high mastery
yucky
rare kite
hunt sims higher than 2x arcano with pala weapon?
nova marsh
How does that even work
stable fiber
it procs 85 of a secondary based off mob type
nova marsh
Yes
stable fiber
and l'ura falls under a mob type that procs vers
calm hollow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/66H1JuJrhCR4zk71q4s6cj
not for me
200 dps inc here
stable fiber
i should check belt catalyst also maybe
rare kite
i'm trying to find where it specifies enemy for hunt in the sim
calm hollow
but idk if its worth changing, thats in the margin of error almost
wispy valve
im still learning arms is it viable to slayer arms academy or am i troll and stay fury
stable fiber
im still learning arms is it viable to slayer arms academy or am i troll and sta...
bosses in AA are hard
so slayer is ideal in AA
wispy valve
really interesting i appreciate it
stable fiber
you can funnel the bosses so colo would kinda be better but its hard to get tanks to do that
wispy valve
im just trying to get better cause my AOE on both builds is good my ST is just bad
stable fiber
but idk if its worth changing, thats in the margin of error almost
atp anything for a dps increase
pseudo dune
im still learning arms is it viable to slayer arms academy or am i troll and sta...
I’ve done around 20 AAs, both fury and arms, personally found Colossus Arms to do better. 10s I’m usually around 165-170k DPS overall
calm hollow
atp anything for a dps increase
feel you
latent moss
atp anything for a dps increase
still 900000000000000 billion dps behind any real spec
on st
crazy tuning
stable fiber
need more emergency arms tuning
latent moss
a spec unable to pad is unable to do st either
latent moss
that would own so hard
stable fiber
infinite rage hack
latent moss
s3 tww 2p
stable fiber
fixes BS cdr (i think idk how slayer cdr works lowkey)
wispy valve
I’ve done around 20 AAs, both fury and arms, personally found Colossus Arms to d...
yeah the only thing with me rn is colossus my ST is just terrible so I got to work on that personally
stable fiber
the rework was good but it feels like
wispy valve
im tryna do 15s rn with it and the ST is just not enough
stable fiber
BS cdr is inconsistent
latent moss
it is
pseudo dune
yeah the only thing with me rn is colossus my ST is just terrible so I got to wo...
That’s just how it is unfortunately. I think ST is around like 60k-70k
calm hollow
was so much better with AM
stable fiber
it still got reduced by SD tho
pseudo dune
But we excel in AoE. Honestly might be one of the best AoE in the game atm
stable fiber
did they not compensate
calm hollow
nah
latent moss
no clue
honest flower
Who do we bribe at blizz for st buffs
stable fiber
Who do we bribe at blizz for st buffs
latent moss
tuff fish
stable fiber
yeah i mean i had some pulls of l'ura yesterday
latent moss
sometimes u get 1 proc
calm hollow
idk why they felt the need to remove it from AM
latent moss
its so random
calm hollow
it would solve a lot of things
latent moss
ye same
idk why they felt the need to replace ava with am in class tree
then put avatar in every spec tree
nova marsh
Who do we bribe at blizz for st buffs
I'll take ion on a date
honest flower
Take one for the team homie
nova marsh
idk why arms has avatar in the first place
Dont push it
latent moss
look guys im slightly bigger and im gray
nova marsh
The iconic team and pvpers slobbers on their avatar pillow
latent moss
brown gray
nova marsh
I dont likr avatar either
rose ibex
idk why arms has avatar in the first place
Should be a mountain thane specific ability
nova marsh
But a lot of people do
nova marsh
Should be a mountain thane specific ability
Yes
latent moss
100%
rose ibex
Dont make my regular warrior do magical things
rose ibex
But people have a stroke when its suggested usually
People fear what they'll lose. They worry about losing the 20% damage bonus without compensation
But you have to start somewhere. Gotta take the hit
nova marsh
People fear what they'll lose. They worry about losing the 20% damage bonus with...
No I've heard people unironically just like ava as a button
Like cmon man
I liked roar
But even im okay with it being gone
rose ibex
Well, i think ava is boring as fuck
latent moss
it doesnt even remove roots anymore
its genuinely a 20% dmg for 20s 1 min effective cd
nova marsh
Then again I liked orginal dragon roar
calm hollow
btw next week is an overall nerf for us? either in ST and AOE? as slayer
nova marsh
Not the dot it became
rose ibex
20% damage bonus? And you get darker and greasier? I dont need cooldown for that. I just need to sit in the sun
calm hollow
buff st very slight nerf in aoe
ah well, at least its a ST buff
minor gust
The aoe nerfs are whatever because we already do pretty insane consistent AOE for both specs
20% BS and demo cdr will make the cooldowns feel better to press too
rose ibex
Spin 2 win baby
latent moss
its also a nerf cause sims play into deep wounds' favor
rare kite
The aoe nerfs are whatever because we already do pretty insane consistent AOE fo...
buff in raid. adds don't live long enough for sustain aoe anyway
latent moss
its probably a buff in any relevant content
ig its a nerf in like
first pull algethar
deep wounds does good damage there cause its uncapped
its actually insane how much of a monster cleave is
its doing like
35-40% of ur overall or w/e
while being softcapped to 5
rare kite
yuh and those fob slams are no joke either
minor gust
Oh yeah in reality I still got high hopes for both specs in M+
rare kite
aug or no?
latent moss
no
for context currently highest 19 pit is farover at 244k
2nd highest is a chinese demo lock at 230
rose ibex
35-40% of ur overall or w/e
Its a tad concerning. Like we are a single nerf away from being thrown in the trash
flat willow
do they drag 2 immortal little skeletons the entire dungeon
latent moss
on first boss they drag lich
but lich is paralyzed
so only the cadaver and the warriors
thorn field
Get him a wheelchair poor lich
latent moss
so u dont have funnel the entire fight but for the most part
latent moss
Its a tad concerning. Like we are a single nerf away from being thrown in the tr...
idk they have been very careful with cleave tuning
whenever they touched it
they compensated heavily
obv doesnt mean they will continue to be careful but
rose ibex
It feels weird getting so much attention when some specs just get completely ignored
rose ibex
Like specs that are clearly very weak or CLEARLY insanely strong
Uh DK and frost mages having their nerfs instantly reverted
jagged finch
Unrelated, but is there a skip for voidspire ?
leaden garnet
Why do these arms buffs feel like nerfs?
rose ibex
Fun raid tho
rose ibex
Not stressful at all
latent moss
Why do these arms buffs feel like nerfs?
ure underestimating how big the compensation buffs are
nova marsh
Ig im not doing it evrey week so I cant judge much
nova marsh
Thank you fot reminding me how much I hated nath
latent moss
on paper colo lost a ton of aoe
rose ibex
Good raid for pugs
latent moss
but then u realize u get 50% more demolishes
nova marsh
I just
rose ibex
Yeah clarms will be really fun i think
nova marsh
Wish we had st fights
grizzled flame
i get to kill myself more by rooting myself in place at the wrong time
nova marsh
i get to kill myself more by rooting myself in place at the wrong time
Skill issue
Leap
Dont demo at a bad time
latent moss
i get to have my demo cancelled by gargoyles in pit more often
grizzled flame
Skill issue
oh no doubt
calm hollow
Wish we had st fights
i really miss ST fights
leaden garnet
Do you actually get 50% more demolishes? Or do you have Demolish sitting on CD for 50% longer because it needs to like up with CS
grizzled flame
just greedy
tropic tiger
Do you actually get 50% more demolishes? Or do you have Demolish sitting on CD f...
why would this be the case?
nova marsh
Demos cd is so short in aoe it'll be thete for cs
latent moss
u get to
leaden garnet
i get to have my demo cancelled by gargoyles in pit more often
I was furious when this happened to me the first time
nova marsh
No reason to hold
tropic tiger
you’d just demo without and it’d be back up for CS
latent moss
cs+demo -> demo while cs is still up -> cs+demo
leaden garnet
Like why is demolish not making me immune to that shit?
tropic tiger
Likely two in CS one out
latent moss
cs+demo -> demo while cs is still up -> cs+demo
.
u can extend cs for 2nd demo
and even if u dont u will send it
cause it will be back
for cs
leaden garnet
I'm not convinced since we also get one fewer cleave out of crushing combo
nova marsh
I'm not convinced since we also get one fewer cleave out of crushing combo
Not that important
nova marsh
Ms with ss is way more then cleave ever was
leaden garnet
Hmmmm... Maybe. Maybe.
latent moss
i sat on dummies on ptr
leaden garnet
I'm not willing to huff the hopium yet
latent moss
and its consistent
hybrid needle
Question for slayer m+
Do u hold bs for cs, cs for bs or yeet them whenever
leaden garnet
Question for slayer m+
Do u hold bs for cs, cs for bs or yeet them whenever
Bs ALWAYS with CS
latent moss
everything with cs only
leaden garnet
There are situations where desyncing is correct but if you're asking, then it's easier to just say ALWAYS together
latent moss
i cant think of such a situation
hybrid needle
So if bs is 20-30ss CD still due to lack of procs you do CS and wait for the next sync .
minor gust
Yeah you ain't sending a naked BS unless it's to pad on some short lived adds
minor gust
u can send bs on like 1-2s left on cs
When you greed thats last 1 second of CS and BS just comes off cd so you send it a milli second too late
latent moss
ye and it extends the first time
leaden garnet
Situation is BS on short lived adds where it's come unsynced from Avatar due to tons of SD procs on aoe
latent moss
but then cs just falls off
leaden garnet
Where you're confident it will re-sync on the next CS+Avatar
latent moss
idk im ethical i play full st perma but then again im not raiding this tier
pugging only
leaden garnet
But that's so niche and hard to judge that if your skill level is high enough to recognise that moment, you wouldn't be asking when to use BS
dire hinge
Do u have the demolish crits gif
You can always find it by searching “in:#arms from:@dire hinge has:image”
lethal acorn
It would be cool if demolish always crits its main target and instead crit chance increases its crit damage on the main target
Would make Colossus single target really cool
nova marsh
You can always find it by searching “in:<#148898720803586048> from:<@10222160376...
Thank you
dire hinge
If everything is a crit then why not make it never crit and just double its baseline damage
lethal acorn
Just the demolish crit on the main target and because Colossus is crit themed or you can just make it do double damage on main target
dire hinge
Heck it make it hit twice on main target. Give me extra gambling
lethal acorn
A shockwave on the main target
Fine with any of these ideas
I just want undermine demolish again
fair topaz
Would be a nice single target buff for sure, if you screw up your demolish you will be punished severely though
lethal acorn
Don't miss!
nova marsh
Would be a nice single target buff for sure, if you screw up your demolish you w...
I mean
we already are in aoe so
🤷♂️
fair topaz
Adding some mortal strike damage and more rage would also be welcome, I have been wanting to play single target colossus since hero talents came out
dire hinge
Every target hit by demolish rolls a small dice. If you get a Yahtzee or Full House you get 5% larger and your next 3 Cleaves can multiproc. This effect applies FoB.
Then we just rename Arms Warrior to Ret Paladin and we’re done
lethal acorn
Yahtzee?
dire hinge
For clarity, this is a joke making fun of auto casts and ret.
lethal acorn
Ah
nova marsh
Every target hit by demolish rolls a small dice. If you get a Yahtzee or Full Ho...
Hroth
lethal acorn
I only really dabble in undead arms warrior, in retail and in classic
dire hinge
Their wake of ashes does like 19 things passively and triggers a chain of events that just deletes a mob and it’s pack
nova marsh
arms is not outlaw rogue
lethal acorn
arms is not outlaw rogue
Slayer plays like it (Rogue in general, not specifically outlaw)
dire hinge
It’s very flashy and feels like playing on autopilot
olive nest
if im running a sim with reck pot and varies gear pieces, how do i know what stat it is picking as highest?
fervent cedar
arms is not outlaw rogue
Fury is outlaw rogue
dire hinge
Adding some mortal strike damage and more rage would also be welcome, I have bee...
We get a bit more next week so woo hoo
fervent cedar
Outlaw rng is press a global for buff and its boring
Fury rng is press a button and sometimes do a funny spin move weeee
lethal acorn
Colossus is arms arms, Slayer is rogue arms
dire hinge
if im running a sim with reck pot and varies gear pieces, how do i know what sta...
I believe you can find it in the “full html report” output. I don’t recall if it tells you in-line if you hover over the icons or not.
I wouldn’t worry about the stat it picks so much as “does it decrease your damage if you swap gear”
calm hollow
Their wake of ashes does like 19 things passively and triggers a chain of events...
meanwhile we apply rend, use CS, use Demo, use Ravager and spam Cleave, why not make all that just 1 button
fervent cedar
meanwhile we apply rend, use CS, use Demo, use Ravager and spam Cleave, why not ...
Gameplay 🙂
calm hollow
Gameplay 🙂
paladins do that with 1 button tho, press Wake of Ashes, deleted everything
fair topaz
Blizzard should make warbreaker and demolish into one cooldown, similar to what they have done to trueshot with the moonlight chakram. Pressing warbreaker would enable a fully empowered demolish. This would get rid of the annoying cooldown desync and give arms some really nice on demand burst and a pretty unique damage profile.
dire hinge
Yeah it’s pretty wild
nova marsh
Outlaw rng is press a global for buff and its boring
Fury rng is press a button ...
Press a global for a buff?
dire hinge
wake does like 19 things including applying dots and aoe around yourself and a frontal cone, and spike damage per target hit and
nova marsh
Na press a global for a buff and if you roll purple you uninstall
fervent cedar
Press a global for a buff?
Roll the bones
nova marsh
Read the second line
fervent cedar
O lol
iron ibex
Will there be preliminary sims on the arms/fury changes coming next week?
fervent cedar
wake does like 19 things including applying dots and aoe around yourself and a f...
This is true. I've also seen a lot of people here also completely reject any kind of idea that even remotely sounds like a paladin thing. Like even now some people compare rampaging ruin to divine storm
olive nest
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dvZJmADcdCMRqGHi6Joxe8
hmm potion of recklessness gives me like 600 dps xD
as crit high stat
latent moss
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dvZJmADcdCMRqGHi6Joxe8
hmm potion of reck...
same
wait this reminded me
to try delay pot for guidon
nova marsh
This is true. I've also seen a lot of people here also completely reject any kin...
....what
nova marsh
Ruin to ds....The actual fuck
fair topaz
The sim is farming crests in the background
latent moss
man
fervent cedar
Ruin to ds....The actual fuck
Actual take I've heard, multiple times
olive nest
it is ass that crests are as slow as they are im ngl
latent moss
tbf i have no hero crest upgades idk why im complaining
spring vale
I cap that shit solely off of delves man
nova marsh
it is ass that crests are as slow as they are im ngl
For myth I don't mind
But hero track is ass
latent moss
my 263 bracers socketed beat 276 non socketed
olive nest
ye myth i dont mind
latent moss
olive nest
the gearing taking longer keeps me locked in
fair topaz
You have to be disciplined and not blow crests on < 266 items then you can get pretty much fully upgraded this week
latent moss
ye thats what i did
gained 5 ilvls
on reset day
from transmuting champ crests into hero crests xd
fervent cedar
Yes
spring vale
sad
spring vale
myth gaze and heart is wild wtf
olive nest
i got heart, boots, and pants from raid
olive nest
other pieces were vault
latent moss
ye makes sense
fair topaz
If you transmute up then yes, transmuting down crom myth doesnt count. If you are sitting on a mountain of myth and dont gain more than 1 item a week you could use a few myth crests if you're desperate.
I wouldn't do that with the bonus roll system coming out next week though
spring vale
I've been gigastuck at hero cap for a bit :( still have some champ slots
olive nest
I have myth belemys and myth helm in bags just not enough crests to use helm, and weap doesnt beat hunt weapon with 259 wrists
so we wait for vault
maybe next week
latent moss
ngl this is making me want to come back to raiding
fair topaz
I've been gigastuck at hero cap for a bit :( still have some champ slots
Back to farming pit of saron
olive nest
you make up for it by having more skill though
your 279 out plays my 281 all day
surely
xD
hybrid needle
I just learned that void elfs have 50% less tmog costs so id save thousands of gold every day if i went velf 
fair topaz
Im 280 and have only done keys and heroic raid, it's not too bad if you don't waste crests
spring vale
I should at least set foot into heroic, been doing keys + delves only oop
latent moss
u must raid this season if u want power imo
trinkets way too strong
like solarflare prism is kinda good
but its losing to guidon on st
for me
so its not very good
olive nest
I want a guidon to play with ngl
spring vale
heart + gaze on heroic I would settle man
olive nest
would be fun trinket
latent moss
I want a guidon to play with ngl
ye i cant wait to send 20s
tomorrow or the day after
fair topaz
I'll pug some mythic when the bonus loot comes out, raid trinkets are goated
sharp tide
next week is gonna be something else
when people get their voidforged weapons and buffed colo
olive nest
first 4 are puggable
sharp tide
not sure if you get the voidforged one first week but
latent moss
no way dragons
olive nest
probably dragons too after enough buffs
latent moss
are puggable
oh u mean first 4 with dreamrift boss
or rather first 3 voidspire + dreamrift
olive nest
no no i meant first 3 void, + dreamrift
latent moss
yeye
olive nest
ye ye
latent moss
salhadaar seems w/e
fair topaz
Lura is puggable 
latent moss
i get my friend to link me his hof
calm hollow
i dont trust alts, ppl barely can play with their mains
spring vale
insane cone tech
latent moss
not very ethical but i failed a grand total of 0 times so its fine
there is lowk nothing to fail
on dreamrift
sharp tide
people lie on that all the time
olive nest
you literally just have to kick the fear guy and know which group soak is yours
latent moss
sharp tide
ouf
olive nest
its super ez fight
latent moss
ye it does nothing
madness is the only mechanic
ofc fear didnt get kicked once but i zerk shouted
fair topaz
ofc fear didnt get kicked once but i zerk shouted
Invite 10 arms warriors, mechanic solved
latent moss
negative boss damage
first few pulls i was doing legit dog damage near bottom i was like no way im this washed
after skipping one tier
then i looked at wclogs
did good boss damage
fair topaz
Arms is very tail heavy on the damage, slayer build is leaning heavily into execute phase
fair topaz
If you wipe early in the fight you will look terrible on the meters
latent moss
holy streaming
wind hatch
you can spell reflect the glaive and live a tick
are they actually letting you play arms on lura
stable fiber
yes
wind hatch
holy gigachad
vivid fox
Yo, i saw some other ppl say the same ish thing but after recrafting, regemming etc for arms im simming still like 5k less than fury on ST, is this like an uptime diff from pure patchwork vs live
vivid fox
makes sense ig
ashen trout
arms gonna be better than fury for raid next week prob?
minor gust
It's already pretty divided in raid
Between arms and fury. Genuinely play what you want or play both
heavy dune
what causes being rage starved? wrong button presses? wrong stats like not enough crit?
nova marsh
what causes being rage starved? wrong button presses? wrong stats like not enoug...
Na
it just happens
no shaman= rage starved eventually
heavy dune
feels bad
latent moss
what causes being rage starved? wrong button presses? wrong stats like not enoug...
what content
heavy dune
both colossus and slayer on pull. both trees during colussus smash. mainly aoe content
vapid spire
Arms is so boring in raid, and the fact that we constantly need to swap talents between fight is dogshit game design
nova marsh
Arms is so boring in raid, and the fact that we constantly need to swap talents ...
....Huh
What is that take
vapid spire
The fact that everything has to be minmaxed or we dont do DPS is bullshit
I still can do dps if i mess up dps on another class
The talent swap is all class combined
nova marsh
So leeme get this straight
do you just want all fights to be one fight style
no expections
minor gust
both colossus and slayer on pull. both trees during colussus smash. mainly aoe c...
It's gonna happen if you are doing m+ pool rage while tank gathers so you got rage for your cds
hardy marten
why do we hold bladestorm on opener on mythic crown
Cause logs on that boss are total meme atm. You make or break your log on P1 so padlords hold till droplets build damage amp on the mob
heavy dune
It's gonna happen if you are doing m+ pool rage while tank gathers so you got ra...
thanks. good to know
vapid spire
do you just want *all* fights to be one fight style
Talents back then were versatile for all kind without the need to respect all the time, Talents can be versatile to fit everything or mostly everything. Not micro manage every encounter. This is shit design
nova marsh
Talents back then were versatile for all kind without the need to respect all th...
Na sorry
I disagree
latent moss
for guidon
surreal spade
in terrace, slayer or colosuss?
latent moss
in terrace, slayer or colosuss?
both are good
genuinely depends on group / what u want more
nova marsh
If I wanted to play the exact same thing over and over again with zero expections I'd rather not have talents at all
flat willow
lots of bosses on terrace
vapid spire
Let me say it like that, i think you're used to mediocre game design
flat willow
4 bosses as colossus feels like 50 minutes
nova marsh
Is giving us variety in how we play not the literal fucking point of DF talents
flat willow
depends for which spec
latent moss
not being able to adapt ur build is bad design
nova marsh
You want to go back to one size fits all cookie cutter specs with zero expection
so like for example
imagine if we only had the slayer build
cool we suffer a bit more in mass aoe
minor gust
What's going on we really complaining that both slayer and Colo or viable?
nova marsh
Or we're stuck with colo and end up as a spec with dogwater st
nova marsh
What's going on we really complaining that both slayer and Colo or viable?
They legit complained that swapping talents is bad game design
latent moss
What's going on we really complaining that both slayer and Colo or viable?
having to change talents for each fight is "bad design"
nova marsh
I love how they don't even elborate lmao
nova marsh
bs lines up so well
colo?
latent moss
slayer
minor gust
and it just does 0 dmg
Next patch surely. Also kha was thinking Colo angle for lura
latent moss
nah no way
flat willow
I'm gonna play devil's advocate and try to understand
latent moss
colo way too behind on st
he said he saw that colo was simming for 15k less and gave up
minor gust
eh in pure ST it's like what 6% behind?
minor gust
he said he saw that colo was simming for 15k less and gave up
Nah it ain't 15k unless I messed up my sims. Shit was only like 7.5k
latent moss
idk thats what he said
minor gust
Both in pure ST builds aren't that bad. Unless he was simming with m+ colo
terse plume
I wounder if slayer might see more play in aoe situations now that reap pops off of cleave on tuesday
latent moss
minor gust
I'll just default to whatever he saw then I'm still a novice at this shit xD
latent moss
idk 15k seems kinda big but then again idk which builds he was simming
either way i dont think colo is better anyway
minor gust
I wounder if slayer might see more play in aoe situations now that reap pops off...
It's not guaranteed reap on cleave it's the same chance it is on leave it's no different besides being worse because MS can't proc it
latent moss
classic
wind hatch
We kill paladins this week and onto crown. We had a 5% wipe while I was pumping
feelsbadman
vapid spire
I love how they don't even elborate lmao
I was doing a pull
flat willow
I think their problem is that 99% of other specs aren't like fury and arms, as frost death knight deathbringer was almost always the choice, unholy swaps from sanlayn to rider depending on the patch, same for devorer annihilation is just better for every content. It allows these specs to aoe without losing a lot of single target, which can feel unfair if you have to sacrifice a lot of single target (or aoe) on your favorite spec
arms is in a pretty good spot right now thankfully
nova marsh
I was doing a pull
fair
flat willow
but it would be really great if colossus did just a teeni tiny bit more single target
vapid spire
You want to go back to one size fits all cookie cutter specs with zero expection
The talents could be designed to fit multiple viable playstyle, not just one line line is required to do a specific thing with a bunch of useless talents that nobody is gonna use on the sides
latent moss
they usually have one hero talent thats just objectively worse
vapid spire
they usually have one hero talent thats just objectively worse
Also this
nova marsh
The talents could be designed to fit multiple viable playstyle, not just one lin...
Sure
stable fiber
IM DOING THE SAME DPS AS THE HUNTERS AIMED SHOT
vapid spire
I also dont like the gamba fatebound Rogue which is to pray the RNG for good dps
nova marsh
But that dosen't mean swapping talents is immediately bad game design
I mean
Fatebound isn't really gamba in my experience
latent moss
IM DOING THE SAME DPS AS THE HUNTERS AIMED SHOT
axaxaxxaxaaxaxxa
nova marsh
the bigger gamba is outlaw in general. idk how it is on assa
nova marsh
I don't even think assa plays it
vapid spire
the bigger gamba is outlaw in general. idk how it is on assa
I thought outlaw was brainrot minecraft parkour gameplay
nova marsh
also
latent moss
IM DOING THE SAME DPS AS THE HUNTERS AIMED SHOT
i love how
they just get to
sustain
250k
nova marsh
It's you roll a 1
latent moss
for like 2 minutes
minor gust
Gg
latent moss
:)))))))
nova marsh
and you fucking uninstall immediately
vapid spire
Isnt Outlaw the blade flurry spec ?
nova marsh
But the thing is
I think I can come up with more critisims of hero talents specfically
I personally just don't like one size fits all gameplay usually
flat willow
I just think that from a strictly number perspective, it would probably be favorable for arms and fury to be like every other spec
one patch slayer will be better, the other colossus
nova marsh
Honestly I still just think warr is an example of why hero talents feel so bad in practice
They are literally impossible to balance and I'm convinced after TWW of that
It took us this long for slayer to even be an option for M+
flat willow
yes, which is why literally every other class in the game just have one useless elite spec every patch
nova marsh
I mean I also don't think that's good
vapid spire
The hero talent was a good move, they offer different playstyles, but right now they've made it that you either play the current meta spec or you go fuck yourself
nova marsh
Na
olive nest
is 100k dps loss
oh yeah bro prob cause that forces haste
nova marsh
Disagree because of how they've been balanced
It's not right now
it will always be like that for most specs
olive nest
dont need more haste prob want to reck pot first
vapid spire
I also hate the fact that right now, some classes are built around 1 skill to dump all the others
"Oh yeah your bladestorm without CS is shit
nova marsh
I feel like wow has moved more and more towards burst classes across evrey spec
Personally I wished we moved away from wanting to fit evrey CD into a burst window
But I understand that is a Wildly unpopular opinion and also probally not good
latent moss
oh yeah bro prob cause that forces haste
ye i wanted to check if it was worth it
to extend cs more
vapid spire
the CD design wow has had for....a long time
Back in other xpacks, you could do dps between cds, the Cds were a little extra or a small burst. Now we get to have a lot less dps if we dont have that CS, the cd goes down fast yes but the design is meh
nova marsh
That I agree
Blizzard has overall put wayyyy too much power into CDs
I don't think arms suffers as much from that as other specs do (like DK in general!)
But it's a growing problem that's kind hard to ignore
vapid spire
MM hunter is kinda like that
stable fiber
highest ive been on the meters
vapid spire
You do a lot less without Trueshot
vapid spire
Yeah that too
nova marsh
DK is the peak of the problem imo
vapid spire
You slowly go down in the meter until you have cds back
Then you pump back up, then slowly go down again
nova marsh
I'd say sub too but like
I mean
All the power is in dance and you have dance up like half the fight
vapid spire
Subtlety is the true brainrot minecraft parkour spec
vapid spire
I was struggling in M+ due to poor gear on my Ass rogue
I switched to Subtletly
I just need to press the shiny buttons
nova marsh
I mean
yeah that kinda is
Sub, espically without guidon
Is just "press dance when tech is up"
And then doubble tech w/guidon in blades
minor gust
If you wanna learn sub goto rogue discord and bother a guy named Prophethood. He's your man
minor gust
He is a prophet
latent moss
cleave adds on top of boss
latent moss
gg
stable fiber
ALERT WARRIOR ON METERS
middle of the pack boss damage no execute
im telling u its solid
spring vale
I swear dawnlight manaflux drops don't exist
minor gust
idk why my dps so low.. stats or ilvl or skill
Hard to say without logs or vods but trust RNG does play into your dmg. I've had 80k pulls and 100k pulls on that boss full ST no add pad
spring vale
ALERT WARRIOR ON METERS
not one unholy in sight this is fucked up
shy cairn
yea but can you do that in m+ spec
inner wasp
Hard to say without logs or vods but trust RNG does play into your dmg. I've had...
the top log doesnt add pad at all
idk why
vapid spire
I agree, i had a pull doing 72k on bird in AA 10, another AA 10 same boss i get to do 52k, what