It isn’t a higher priority
#arms
lime ruin
rose ibex
Executioner precision + free rage cost
unreal mountain
guys is their any possibility to take martial Prowess as collo to make our ST even better?
rose ibex
Is my guess
lime ruin
Next patch I want to go full colossus st and take fatality to justify pressing execute
Gonna be fun
unreal mountain
😮
lime ruin
But overpower is higher prio over sudden death idk where u got that info from
It’s hard to take martial prowess cause it’s 2 talent points I’ve tried
You lose too much in m+ I think
unreal mountain
yeah its just stupid class design, that talent alone would give us atr least a bit more ST
floral tide
Me want big smash
lime ruin
I’d drop ravager in a heartbeat of I didn’t need to take it to get avatar
fiery quest
so who is better now tho for m+
lime ruin
Idc if it’s better throw that ability put back and shoot it
fiery quest
fury thane or colo arms
unreal mountain
me 2 , i hate RAVAGERS
unreal mountain
EP as arms warrior is also just a dead talent
i mean as collo
2 points for bloodborne also just terrible
nova marsh
Tbh we could just
winged marsh
Whats better for mythic+ fury mountain thane or Arms Collosus, keys are 12+
winged marsh
I play arms
nova marsh
Put ava below ravager/bs
winged marsh
Just wondering what everyone else plays
dim basalt
But as Arms you dont wanna strictly play colossus anyway
At least until next week, not sure what its gonna look like then
winged marsh
Whats happening next week? Changes?
dim basalt
hollow herald
the change in st are a big nerf no¿
minor gust
No
nova marsh
For ST slayer a bit
minor gust
Both specs are buffed in ST
dim basalt
Both hero specs are buffed in ST
nova marsh
How is slayer buffed
winged marsh
ST buff is a god send
minor gust
Slam DW BS buff SD still reaps
hollow herald
Both hero specs are buffed in ST
how¿
minor gust
All that = a buff
nova marsh
Do both heroes take Mortal for keys?
minor gust
Yes nothing changes with talents
cold kestrel
i'm trying to do 16's as an arms playing colossus
and I can't do more than 45-55k dps single target lol (bosses)
any tips?
hard rock
pull mobs on boss
winged marsh
@cold kestrel been having the same problem
dim basalt
and I can't do more than 45-55k dps single target lol (bosses)
Some keys you should just play Slayer instead
cold kestrel
dim basalt
Specifically on the boss heavier dungeons like NPX, Skyreach
dim basalt
What did the others do
cold kestrel
atleast the aoe is amazing xD
static garden
had that exact situation yesterday, where on the first two aoe packs in sky reach im doing like 300k aoe, and then on the first boss im struggling to hit 50k
minor gust
Only doing 40 sounds like a skill issue than the spec isssue
Make sure you are doing prio correctly and keeping uptime on bosses
dim basalt
Depends on the boss but yeah
reef prairie
Generally yea
reef prairie
If you leap as soon as the knock hits you won't get clipped by it
On 1st boss skyreach
winged marsh
So is Collosus getting a buff next week, just had a look at the patch notes and cant make heads or tails of it
dim basalt
so risky tho
cerulean swan
wait why is arms getting nerfed i m out of the loop
dim basalt
ST buff, very slight aoe nerf for col in aoe
pulsar nexus
quick silly question, with a mythic+ arms build, should i still do the multi-target opener on single target fights? i only ask bc of the cleave buff from ravager, but i noticed my dmg is pretty significantly lower in st fights
dim basalt
And moderate aoe nerf for Slayer
wooden tide
wait why is arms getting nerfed i m out of the loop
because warriors are enjoying the game
dim basalt
Stray nerfs kind of
static garden
whats the difference with reap the storm between now & patch for slayer arms?
dim basalt
Does charging work as well?
hard rock
ST buff, very slight aoe nerf for col in aoe
how is it ST buff when reap is taken away or am I reading it wrong
latent moss
not sure
floral tide
Not entirely sure it's a nerf. Is it possible to sim it?
reef prairie
Does charging work as well?
Maybe? I dont risk that one
latent moss
i dont wanna try it
junior sandal
ST buff, very slight aoe nerf for col in aoe
You sure it's a st buff ? Or I'm just dumb but isn't loosing reap on MS a nerf, or does Mortal Wounds on Slam such a big buff ?
ashen trout
we playing col or slayer in raid next week twins?
latent moss
both dungeons are st slop
rain fiber
so basically we can't proc reap the storm on ST now?
dim basalt
You sure it's a st buff ? Or I'm just dumb but isn't loosing reap on MS a nerf, ...
I mean sims are there
ashen trout
ye was gonna say is slayer just fucked now lol
echo tendon
so basically we can't proc reap the storm on ST now?
sudden death procs it
olive nest
Slayer still probably doing better ST
latent moss
it is
rain fiber
I truly wonder what was the plan, it's a nerf to an already lackluster spec
latent moss
100% doing better st
lament forge
How are the changes coming going to affect us ?
reef prairie
Buffs!
olive nest
We are happy with changes coming
lament forge
hell yeah seems slayer a little buff for that too which is nice
dim basalt
The sims in question
#arms message
latent moss
colo gains a lot of st and while the aoe is technically nerfed on sims
i think its the same or better in m+
its like 1-3% nerf on sims
dim basalt
Col will be lowkey busted
winged marsh
How is colo getting a st buff can someone explain
latent moss
even more funnel
junior sandal
Oh ty for the sims
reef prairie
I feel like its colo in all keys now no?
olive nest
What’s going to make it strong is that you can demo 2-3 times every single pack while other specs have downtime waiting for cooldowns
lament forge
so will slayer be inching a tiny bit closer in terms of M+ to colossus
dim basalt
Do you reckon we will be playing col in every key cone
rancid robin
Seems we're loosing a bit of AOE dps with the cleave not putting Mortal wounds anymore
On big pack at least
latent moss
Do you reckon we will be playing col in every key cone
i think depends on comp
but he is already playing iwht a low st comp
and he is perma colo so idk
they blast trash so fucking fast
outlaw has good st but feral and colo arms do not
also i dont think skyfury will matter much for colo anymore
on aoe u never starve
and with exe being dead on st
u shouldnt have issues
and with brew being meta i wouldnt be surprised to see arms in more comps
pseudo olive
Good, none of my friends will play a shaman
pseudo olive
Well I play enhance a lot but I can’t be both
mortal crag
is mouseover execute a real thing we do
latent moss
no
winged marsh
Whats enhance like used to main it
reef prairie
I feel like warrior in keys is already not bad but it's representation is so low
reef prairie
Yea
mortal crag
@latent moss swapped healer in our grp
lament forge
I feel like warrior in keys is already not bad but it's representation is so low
kinda like this
mortal crag
timed 3 19s back to back
latent moss
xdd
winged marsh
What we lack in St we make up killing packs
mortal crag
went colo for nexus, windrunner and seat
lament forge
its not like devourer where everyone is playing one
mortal crag
kekw
pseudo olive
Enhance is now very easy but still fun, but is only dmg during cds. Wet noodle outside totem doom winds
latent moss
2 friends that i play with cant play rn so im just chilling in silvermoon afk
score dropping gg
lament forge
I actually enjoy colo more tbh
mortal crag
gg
winged marsh
Shamny all about Cds not a fan
latent moss
20s lined up tho gonna go hard asf
mortal crag
yeah we were ahead and now we're behind
hopefully 19 resil this weekend if we stay stacked
urban iron
What’s going to make it strong is that you can demo 2-3 times every single pack ...
this - and imo this is prob not a functional nerf
latent moss
are u boosting resil
mortal crag
rogue and feral are from quichons, wr20 french guild
omegalul
idk i think we might sell for some gold later
urban iron
bc with twice as many demolishes means twice as many 10% dmg taken buffs
latent moss
i need gold to get real enchants xdd
urban iron
higher uptime
mortal crag
tru
latent moss
we gonna do 18s
urban iron
i think if you play with a brain and pull properly this really isnt a rough change, and maybe a positive one if you play into it
latent moss
holy trinkets
winged marsh
@mortal crag jesus
latent moss
<@692035495718551564> how does it make ur tip feel
VERY creamy
lament forge
What’s going to make it strong is that you can demo 2-3 times every single pack ...
question, is demo worth using without smash sometimes?
latent moss
no
mortal crag
week 1 hc gaze vault
week 2 chest
week 3 socket
week 4 myth gaze vault + blackmail RL to give me vorasius trinket + buy myth boots
latent moss
gg
olive nest
I think it’s possible you will send demo on cd with the changes
If you can reliably demo in between cs cooldown
olive nest
But idk how true that is
latent moss
gg
winged marsh
@mortal crag won the game
latent moss
was that a no to my question?
yes
mortal crag
i wont get guidon cuz we have 2 core dk raiders
latent moss
currently u never send demo without cs
mortal crag
and its like OMEGABIS for them
latent moss
ye
slate talon
With more demos
Is there a world you wouldnt send with smash?
mortal crag
demo change just makes u send colo on all keys it seems
latent moss
and on 3rd demo u get cs and demo anyway
lament forge
but slayer will still be better for pure ST, correct?
olive nest
Yeah it’s going to be a demo on cooldown angle I’m pretty sure with slight holds if cs isn’t active
latent moss
yes
winged marsh
Warrior breakfast
hybrid needle
Man, cant decide if i wanna play slayer or col in m+. Both are great
winged marsh
@hybrid needle coll
lament forge
Man, cant decide if i wanna play slayer or col in m+. Both are great
I enjoy col more personally, i find it more fun
the longer bs cd is meh
mortal crag
i pretty much send colo on like 6/8 keys
fervent cedar
Man, cant decide if i wanna play slayer or col in m+. Both are great
In .5, col is going to be giga
sharp goblet
the longer bs cd is meh
colo is better because it presses BS less often
latent moss
farover goat stuff only
sharp goblet
but it has ravager 🙁
sharp goblet
instead
lament forge
colo is better because it presses BS less often
exactly lol
latent moss
bro got baited by np 2set gg
olive nest
Np 2pc is best for me droptimizer has no 276 ring upgrades
olive nest
Probably because I have so much Crit from all other slots
latent moss
its like +0.3% st -0.7% 8t for me
olive nest
Hmm I have the pit ring in bag I should check aoe
latent moss
nothing for colo
latent moss
slayer is like 3%
open kernel
even with the cleave changes?
open kernel
huh, weird
olive nest
They saw frozo playing slayer in keys and were like oh shit we better fix that
open kernel
oh so it is a big nerf to colossus
balmy kindle
more demo casts no ?
open kernel
nah itll be less demo casts because we have less cleaves overall, right?
olive nest
I accepted that I can’t out smart the fish so I just wait patiently 😆
open kernel
only get 2 free cleaves after smash now instead of 3
olive nest
I like the cleave change personally
open kernel
OH i missed that change
open kernel
the dominance one
latent moss
in m+ its the same probably
nova marsh
5 secs on cdr
balmy kindle
yea too much 
atm would rather cast demo
nova marsh
Do yall play slayer or colo for skyreach?
olive nest
Ain’t no way
latent moss
slayer
sharp goblet
Do yall play slayer or colo for skyreach?
i feel like that might be the most slayer key
of all
latent moss
nah algethar is
winged marsh
Colo all the way
latent moss
skyreach u can pull on 2nd boss
balmy kindle
Do yall play slayer or colo for skyreach?
slayer is kinda nice ngl for skyreach but colo is good too
latent moss
thats what monksea is doing with farover
also skyreach trash is evil
algethar is just st slop
nova marsh
Imagine getting repelled
balmy kindle
dragon > what is repelled
winged marsh
Leap back inn
olive nest
Charge bro
nova marsh
yes
sharp goblet
at least you can heroic leap after bird boss
nova marsh
as the rest of the party dies
sharp goblet
skip gauntlet
olive nest
You know what that fucking gargoyle in pit!!
balmy kindle
race change > dragon > enjoy 
olive nest
Grabs me mid demolish
latent moss
same
olive nest
Flip the keyboard type shi
latent moss
idk why demo isnt complete cc immunity in pve
sharp goblet
lmao i hate dragons
nova marsh
You know what that fucking gargoyle in pit!!
I'D CRASH OUT SO HARD
Like what the hell
sharp goblet
I flamed our druid for doing typhoon
olive nest
It’s complete dog ass water
sharp goblet
it wasn't him
olive nest
That thing should not be able to cancel demo
minor gust
Grabs me mid demolish
thats why pit is a slayer key for me!
latent moss
ngl pit is a rougher key than i expected
nova marsh
imagine a mob just saying "lmao no" to your burst
nova marsh
tf
olive nest
Pit is insane for overall if you have a good tank
winged marsh
Getting s good tank is hard
minor gust
does slayer do 244k overall
if we did funnel on first boss right and had a clean 2nd boss I do 200k-210 no doubt
latent moss
both are r1 all dps
minor gust
olive nest
Is that a 20 minute +20 Jesus
latent moss
obviously
olive nest
Lmao
olive nest
Oh 19
latent moss
timer is 30?
minor gust
thats farover right?
latent moss
i dont remember
olive nest
23
latent moss
ye
minor gust
mans gaming
olive nest
That’s insane speed bro
minor gust
hes ready for the colo buffs next patch
olive nest
Omega dpsing trash on bosses
minor gust
already playing colo in every key
nova marsh
i mean
latent moss
yep
nova marsh
it is like 4 days away
latent moss
i mean he just hates slayer
chad behavior icl
doesnt like something and just doesnt play it
olive nest
I’ve played both in all keys
minor gust
hoping the diff between the two specs stays pretty ok
latent moss
it will
minor gust
funny seeing the split between arms players
minor gust
meanwhile Critcake hates colo only wants to slayer
olive nest
Slayer is easier brain off sd cleave spammer
minor gust
oh yeah slayer will still be good
olive nest
And spinning half the key
minor gust
but you are always gonna think now damn maybe colo woulda pumped way harder
latent moss
idk i like the direct damage nature of colo more than reap and random stabs on st
ye xd
balmy kindle
feelsgood when u land that fat demo crit
olive nest
Full uptime deep wounds on bosses now
latent moss
thats hwy i dont mind ravager personally
olive nest
That helps
latent moss
it makes my cleaves hit for 300k and i fw that a lot
sharp goblet
u demolish for so much
balmy kindle
for sure any amp phase with demolish 
olive nest
We provide our own amp via ravager xdd
balmy kindle
still funny though on ST m+ where u just dump ravage into cleaves
minor gust
thats hwy i dont mind ravager personally
would love it much better if it was passive on ava cast
olive nest
That’s what it should do
sharp goblet
i mean CS should just cast ravager
olive nest
The talent just makes cs do 500% damage on cast or some shit
sharp goblet
passive
nova marsh
cleave is just stupid rn
latent moss
math was done
needs 300% to be neutral on aoe
and like slight st increase
like 1-2%
i dont remember the exact number
sacred summit
Slayer 100k in 12.05
wtf
minor gust
they dont want to replace it with cs does big dam
its funny because it fits the theme of colo perfectly and would make for a good choice node with BS and make it a clear slayer vs colo choice node
latent moss
yep
need to sim
ravager pre cs+demo or post cs+demo
to see if more mbg uptime is worth it
prolly not in .5
minor gust
I assumed something like that would end up being negligible
latent moss
cause u dont get 3 free cleaves anymore
ye i simmed it earlier this patch but i forgot
split ocean
What arms spec for raid will generally pull highest with new patch next week? I know could be fight dependent on what you choose, but just generally?
olive nest
Colo on paladins is omega
minor gust
colo on dragons too
olive nest
Colo on dragons owns too ye
nova marsh
filthy pad tier
olive nest
Cs demo for every add spawn is just too good
minor gust
Yeah
olive nest
And better 2T
latent moss
idk the boss
minor gust
Like even if you didn't want to pad on orbs and wanted to do boss dmg Colo would do way better boss dam on dragons
Than slayer cuz of 2T
rain fiber
what fights are Slayer arms? Vorasius, Lura and maybe Beloren right?
ashen trout
will we play slayer at all in raid next week?
latent moss
dps warrior isnt real on last 2 anyway
olive nest
Slayer on all fights except dragons/paladins
sharp goblet
it's quite funny how another target solves so much for colo, literally more than doubles your dps
wind hatch
remove aug
elder path
Slayer on all fights except dragons/paladins
Colo on Imperator fucks too
The immune adds still stack CD and you always have CS demo up for ad spawns
nova marsh
I love tanks
who love to chat and be toxic
whole key
"YOU GUYS AREN'T READY FOR 12S, DON'T SIGN UP FOR THEM"
sacred summit
does our rotation change at all for slayer or colo
nova marsh
does our rotation change at all for slayer or colo
besides one less cleave and probally press demo on cd in aoe
Not really
minor gust
slayer will now prio OP over MS in aoe
wicked warren
God not having skyfury makes me suicidal
kind stag
nova marsh
apparently I just can't do 12s on warr
Can on rogue, not on warr. GG, great note to go to work on
nova marsh
God not having skyfury makes me suicidal
same btw
sacred summit
besides one less cleave and probally press demo on cd in aoe
would we press demo without cs like of and reck/avatar are rn
smoky kayak
does our rotation change at all for slayer or colo
Colossus won't press ST Cleave, Ravager, or non-SD Execute anymore, just focus Slam
zinc timber
Hey guys quick question ; how should we actually sim for m+ ? Patchwerk 5 boss 1 min ?
nova marsh
would we press demo without cs like of and reck/avatar are rn
For aoe you absoutlely are pressing demo without CS
Because the CDR makes it so short
sacred summit
Colossus won't press ST Cleave, Ravager, or non-SD Execute anymore, just focus S...
as in colo wont take ravager anymore?
minor gust
Colossus won't press ST Cleave, Ravager, or non-SD Execute anymore, just focus S...
yall get rid of the line of execute > 75 rage?
nova marsh
as in colo wont take ravager anymore?
no
Colo still takes ravager
it uhh...kinda has to
sacred summit
For aoe you absoutlely are pressing demo without CS
kk
nova marsh
There's no way to drop ravager and still have ava without having bad talents
nova marsh
I mean you probally still press it
nova marsh
Ye espically with mass exe
sacred summit
also are the mortal wounds changes an aoe nerf and st buff?
nova marsh
Depends
sacred summit
since cleave doesnt apply it but slam does
nova marsh
for slayer, yes
but both hero specs are gaining st from it
For colo....not really since demo applies it and we're getting more demos
smoky kayak
it's compensated for by Bladestorm and Demolish buffs
sacred summit
For colo....not really since demo applies it and we're getting more demos
ohhh ok
sacred summit
it's compensated for by Bladestorm and Demolish buffs
gotcha
ig ill keep playing slayer until i get to 14s and up or in seat
swift plume
Pressing slam over non sd execute feels weird
nova marsh
Honestly I kinda just wish
minor gust
slayer will still be a good spec
nova marsh
Colo got a replacement for exe
minor gust
you can play slayer as much as you want
sacred summit
feel like colo is better in keys but not in lower ones like 12s or if tank isnt chain pulling into bosses
kind stag
colo without good tank feels awful
sacred summit
slayer is def simpler and easier tho
minor gust
it doesnt really matter if its better
kind stag
slayer still gonna poomp
minor gust
when both options are still good specs at the end of the day
sacred summit
well yea but if i have the right conditions id probably want to do more damage
nova marsh
Ye im starting to feel more comfy on colo
sacred summit
just a matter of practice
nova marsh
Since apparently I briefed a 12 reach lmao
kind stag
we all grief now and then
sacred summit
what is even the % difference between them in aoe and st
kind stag
guess wait for patch to see
i think for me main diff is just colo is way jankier
so i make less mistakes on slayer
which is always more dps
kind stag
and easier to recover
nova marsh
we all grief now and then
Whats funny
Is i love how we had like 2 bad pulls
And one bad boss
Tank immediately resorts to flaming
kind stag
flaming helps no one
surreal spade
in skyreach, colossus or slayer?
nova marsh
in skyreach, colossus or slayer?
Probably slayer
sacred summit
this is 1t 5m?
kind stag
preference
nova marsh
But try both
minor gust
slayer
minor gust
this is 1t 5m?
yes
kind stag
hard to funnel or giga pull on skyreach
smoky kayak
Pressing slam over non sd execute feels weird
pressing Execute when you're not talented into it feels weirder and starves you out
sacred summit
in skyreach, colossus or slayer?
slayer no? cant pull mobs into boss in there
sacred summit
are there any accurate aoe sims to go off of?
nova marsh
Yeah I really wish colo got its own eze replacement, maybe something free
dim basalt
are there any accurate aoe sims to go off of?
define accurate
sacred summit
i keep getting told not to sim aoe
minor gust
are there any accurate aoe sims to go off of?
kinda no point for a real M+ scenario. if you look at live aoe sims between the two you would think slayer is a dead spec but in reality it clearly isnt
so like I can show you the 12.05 aoe sims
dim basalt
Slayer may be dead next week though
kind stag
why would slayer be dead lol
minor gust
because on paper you see colo doing 30% more aoe than slayer and you would think slayer is unplayable
minor gust
but in reality slayers holds up pretty well
nova marsh
Boy
I love it when I pop cs
Thinking tank is done gathering
And then they pull another two packs
And make me waste evreything
minor gust
slayer is still gonna do well in group keys that are pulling into boss because slayer has funnel too. Just colo will make up that lack of ST way more and do some crazy overall
dim basalt
unless you are pushing 19s with a practiced team
19s are being pugged atp 
kind stag
im not denying colo is better for aoe and mowing down groups but slayer is comfier and easier, and just does really well on ST
sacred summit
so like I can show you the 12.05 aoe sims
show me XD
nova marsh
Ehhh honestly
kind stag
19s are being pugged atp <:keks:936231610850897992>
sounds like hellscape
nova marsh
I feel like slayers st is very rng
dim basalt
sounds like hellscape
Only because players dont actually get better the higher you go
sacred summit
slayer is still gonna do well in group keys that are pulling into boss because s...
what makes colo have more funnel than slayer? cleave emphasis?
minor gust
show me XD
5t5m
sacred summit
i dont remember
minor gust
what makes colo have more funnel than slayer? cleave emphasis?
CM stacks
dim basalt
Frozen did you read about cones cook earlier?
minor gust
no what is it?
sacred summit
CM stacks
hm so thats more like
colo aoe great
colo prio damage yuge stonks if we get to cleave instead of ms
minor gust
not instead cleave and ms
minor gust
slow saddle
not instead cleave and ms
Do colo play batlelord in raid?
minor gust
yes
slow saddle
Imma guess yeash?
I love that proc wheel🤭
With slam being stronger witg dw
Im also ok pressin slam
fiery quest
is colossus arms rotation the same after update
slow saddle
Si id say
minor gust
no lil different
slow saddle
Ms is king no?
rose matrix
St changes i believe
fiery quest
whats the new priority is the goat gonna update it
sacred summit
not instead cleave and ms
well cm is capped at 5 so do we normally not get to max stack before sending next demo without cleave at 3+ target
fiery quest
where do i look at that
dim basalt
no what is it?
Stacking some haste (via Guidon, maybe even secondary haste pot) so you can use demo twice in one cs window
nova marsh
well cm is capped at 5 so do we normally not get to max stack before sending nex...
....no?
I usually get to max stacks in 3
minor gust
aoe you be able to easily get 2 demos in 1 CS
dim basalt
May depend a lot on haste levels though
minor gust
so I assume hes trying for ST?
minor gust
May depend a lot on haste levels though
might be harder to keep up the aoe CS from enough cleaves but def 2nd demolish will at least be hitting the 2 main CS targets
sacred summit
sounds like its prio and not funnel?
havent gotten used to both specs enough to know at the top of my head
minor gust
CM is max 10 stacks
excess stacks gets turned into cdr
being able to triple your stack generation by adding cleave means way more demolishes
fiery quest
where does one find the APL on sims for arms
wind hatch
where does one find the APL on sims for arms
sacred summit
CM is max 10 stacks
oh wowhead says 5
sacred summit
being able to triple your stack generation by adding cleave means way more demol...
i get it now
minor gust
fiery quest
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/midnight/ActionPriorityLists/defaul...
thank you
minor gust
thank you
that one isnt currently updated for the 12.05 APL but it will eventually so just hold onto that link for now
fiery quest
ok thank you
but also
how do i even read this 💀
i used to the goat on wowheqd just telling me what to do
minor gust
just like any other priority list
sacred zodiac
its literally just top to bottom ye
fiery quest
all i see is a bunch of code
dim basalt
might be harder to keep up the aoe CS from enough cleaves but def 2nd demolish w...
Yeah but thats the goal, the question is whether its possible
sacred zodiac
do you know how to read logic operators
sacred zodiac
like just scroll down to the profile you care about and read it top to bottom like wowhead
dim basalt
I can test it on Wednesday
dim basalt
ye but Ive never done any custom apl shenanigans
sacred zodiac
you can run an advanced sim and give it a custom apl
kind stag
guess its a lot of work then
sacred zodiac
its like a few minutes of work based on complexity of what you want to test
minor gust
yee im learning how to do it and its not that bad once you get into it
sacred zodiac
if youve written a single line of code in your life you know enough to write an apl
kind stag
le guidon speed apl
kind stag
if youve written a single line of code in your life you know enough to write an ...
too bad i didnt
sacred zodiac
can you post that again
kind stag
id learn fast though
sacred zodiac
that was really funny
sacred zodiac
ok but can you repost it
sand totem
Hey lads. Bit of a silly question, but is there a damage amp on voracious that I'm not seeing? Even with no add padding I'm pushing 100k. But I can only get my aim to 82k. And on other bosses that HAVE add padding i still seem to do more damage on Big V than on say Averzian
latent moss
ye its a priority list
minor gust
thats aoe priority yes
latent moss
from top to bottom
kind stag
champions spear lets go
latent moss
champions spear lets go
gotta make it work for all types of players
nova marsh
champions spear lets go
die 
die
spark mango
so with this new patch, arms is losing deep wounds on aoe?
latent moss
ye
spark mango
nice,
minor gust
is this all written by the guy on wowhead
team effort from the warrior brains
fiery quest
i see i see
kind stag
warrior
brains
pick one
spark mango
why the fuck would they nerf arms even further
nova marsh
why the fuck would they nerf arms even further
it's not a nerf
sacred zodiac
broken spec
kind stag
because blizzard is cool and epic and they love warrior and bladestorm gets buffed
nova marsh
the .5 changes aren't a vaccum
kind stag
and colo
minor gust
for every 100000 warriors born there is 1 warrior born with a brain. Thats how we get our warrior brains
kind stag
so its neutral
spark mango
so if tank pulls 10 mobs and before tuseday i'm applying deep wounds to them, after patch not anymore, its not a nerf?
slow saddle
Finally a rework that duck us
slow saddle
so if tank pulls 10 mobs and before tuseday i'm applying deep wounds to them, af...
Nah
Bladestorm big
minor gust
so if tank pulls 10 mobs and before tuseday i'm applying deep wounds to them, af...
its a nerf if that was the only change but its not
slow saddle
Sd big
minor gust
reason is to not make you press cleave 4 times in a row
kind stag
it say its fine but then ele shamans, feral droods and so on just burst insane numbers
steep osprey
crushing combo change is silly though
Cleave is doing insane amount of damage is as
they don't like that
brittle nebula
Shame cause warriors are pretty much built for cleaving 🤣
steep osprey
it say its fine but then ele shamans, feral droods and so on just burst insane n...
do ele shamans or ferals have one button doing 40% of their damage or so?
spark mango
the most unhinged spec i played dungeons with is demo lock, they do good aoe, set, prio, with 0 downtime
slow saddle
the most unhinged spec i played dungeons with is demo lock, they do good aoe, se...
Yup
kind stag
do ele shamans or ferals have one button doing 40% of their damage or so?
hey not our fault they decided to shove its MT rotation into one button
steep osprey
And that's why they're trying to fix that lol
I don't think it matters if they nerf cleave as long as they compensate for it somewhere else
and they have
kind stag
the most unhinged spec i played dungeons with is demo lock, they do good aoe, se...
my guildie says its ok i should play better to have numbers like his lock meanwhile he missed half of his CDs and still poomps
slow saddle
my guildie says its ok i should play better to have numbers like his lock meanwh...
Factd
kind stag
he says he has to cast but its not true because he has insta cast shit all the time
so wheres the downside
spark mango
their imp gang boss is el chapo
sand totem
He has to play a stinky caster
spark mango
its 15% of their damage in dungeon
kind stag
he also doesnt have to give up MT to do ST
meanwhile i go full barbarian idioto mode on some bosses and just ST because i cant afford to cleave much lule
spark mango
they be doing colossus aoe with slayer fury st
latent moss
avg lock player
no matter how broken the spec is
they always have some excuse
why its not actually broken
sullen moat
ow. they made bladestorm BIIIIIIG now
latent moss
when wasnt it broken tho
depends who u ask
if u ask lock players they will say never
kind stag
like wow nice dmg on those meters man cool screenshot now go do it on a non busted class
blissful gull
so i've been reading the chat for a while, and I understand that until patch drops slayer and colo m+ damage is similar in pugs. is slayer going to be better than colo m+ when the patch drops?
spark mango
if you pugging
kind stag
slayer for pugs and comfy, colo for big aoe and overall
kind stag
indeed
spark mango
they dont pull adds on boss and you end up doing 30k st
blissful gull
I'm doing fine on colo but I'll definitely try slayer throughout the week, but from what you're saying
it's going to be the same dynamic come next week
fiery quest
will the cleave reap the storm make up for the loss of mortal wounds
latent moss
so i've been reading the chat for a while, and I understand that until patch dro...
dmg isnt similar
if ur tank plays around u
sullen moat
colo is gonna be alot better to play with the change they have made for sure
blissful gull
right, when I say "in pugs" that means tank is pulling however they please
brazen lotus
i just tested arms first time: is singel target just really bad?
kind stag
now remove ravager and we gucci
nova marsh
like wow nice dmg on those meters man cool screenshot now go do it on a non bust...
Like warr,
kind stag
Like warr,
like warr
spark mango
i just know the worst i ever fet as warrior in my life is single targeting as colossus
marsh forge
i mean if higher keys it should be somewhat chill to just ask for some funnel adds on bosses if possible no
dim basalt
i just tested arms first time: is singel target just really bad?
Colossus yes, Slayer no
dim basalt
like surely tank in 17s can do that generally
Nah they dont do that in 17s still
18s maybe
marsh forge
fuhhh
dim basalt
At least not the ones Ive had so far
spark mango
its design issue
colossus shouldnt do that st damage, funnel should be a bonus not a must
brazen lotus
are the builds on wowhead correct? in terms of best for m+, raid etc.?
dim basalt
ye
spark mango
i think with this new change, we dont wait for warbreaker to send demolish
dim basalt
Think you still do
spark mango
does it mean if it crits its 10 sec reduce cd? and potentially 20 with Sweeping?
dim basalt
yup
spark mango
so i dont think you still do, if it means at end of dungeon you can do like 15 more demolish, its better
tepid citrus
Should be getting two demolishes in one CS window
olive nest
Yes
hexed parrot
are the 12.0.5 changes ST nerfs for slayer?
olive nest
First two demolishes in cs and third with second cs
hot meteor
How much better did arms get ?
spark mango
how? you still reset to 0 stacks, doubt its possible
spark mango
on st also?
latent moss
no
spark mango
without sweeping
little cypress
No
little cypress
Which makes funnel huge
little cypress
Just dont let others steal your funnel
still rapids
like surely tank in 17s can do that generally
They do them in every 17 key i got im so far
tepid citrus
i mean if higher keys it should be somewhat chill to just ask for some funnel ad...
Mythic Mentor addon. Add a note, it auto posts in chat. I use it in pugs and no tanks have issues
You can note for each boss and basically ask them which pack to bring into the boss. Use MDT to select pack.
rough pewter
12.0.5 colossus or slayer m+?
nova marsh
12.0.5 colossus or slayer m+?
Colo
still rapids
Saw biz’z video and tried slayer on some dungeons like skyreach, i do like 115k overall compared to my usual 160-190k on colossus. Should i just keep on running colossus or should i try to figure out what im doing wrong with slayer?
crystal forge
did i read it right, we only get reap the storm from execute now in ST with the newest changes?
minor gust
yes
crystal forge
pretty heavy nerf right?
minor gust
no
still rapids
did i read it right, we only get reap the storm from execute now in ST with the ...
Even more reason to go colossus 
minor gust
other changes make up for the lower reap in ST
crystal forge
but colossus deals low ST damage which feels bad 
minor gust
slayer will be getting an overall st buff
still rapids
slayer will be getting an overall st buff
Only slayer?
minor gust
Only slayer?
colo ST is buffed too
crystal forge
but the buff only affects bladestorm, so less moderate dmg, more burst?
minor gust
deep wounds on slam and 20% BS buff make up the dmg loss and are a net st buff
still rapids
colo ST is buffed too
olive nest
You guys should look at this way,
Now your damage isn’t dependent on a proc (reap) as much
Big positive
still rapids
Guys should I hardcote push this week
Been pushing arms since day 1 of the season never stop the push
nova marsh
Even if I griefed a key?
still rapids
Especially if u did
minor gust
You guys should look at this way,
Now your damage isn’t dependent on a proc (rea...
ST RNG was mostly from how many SD procs you got not really reap
steep osprey
Frozenbozo's aura also saved Thane
still rapids
Even if I griefed a key?
Plus warr is good if ur griefing keys look at what ur doing wrong
still rapids
Need 12.05 to come out so I can do some slayer key testing
Colossus is way more fun tho imo
minor gust
not when you have been playing nothing but colo for an entire expansion
Slayer finally has aoe SD so it owns to play
still rapids
Idk i cant seem to do damage with slayer, im getting my bladestorm stacks right never overcapping execute procs using cds well idk why i just cant seem to do dps
crystal forge
so even if there are a lot of nerfs besides the buffs arms will be better than before in both hero trees?
still rapids
On colossus tho i blast
wind flicker
So close to that 1m
olive nest
still rapids
So close to that 1m
huge
steep osprey
Demolish is not lame
crystal forge
when they bring colossus to deal more ST damage than my tank does i will play it more, but if the changes dont bring this, i will still stick to slayer
nova marsh
Demolish is not lame
Frozen is very bias
olive nest
His face is slayer bro
wind flicker
As archi would say "demolish fucks"
olive nest
Gott be careful
minor gust
TWW s3 demolish was a nuke Mid s1 demolish is a firecracker
fallen locust
parcticed strikes changes are a 5 % nerf right?
steep osprey
TWW s3 demolish was a nuke Mid s1 demolish is a firecracker
Cleave also makes it seem like it's not a nuke
🤷
minor gust
yeah so demolish = lame!
nova marsh
Idk
minor gust
no you
nova marsh
Going up 50k dps cuz of demo feels pretty fucking goos
lone raft
u can say the h word
for when ur very aroused at something
but thats how im feeling about colo
nova marsh
Demo is heroin?
wind hatch
sending a 10 stack demolish on first pull of tazavesh gambit hit different
current demolish makes me sad
nova marsh
I honestly dont like current colos stack gen
wind hatch
back when ravager had unhinged and was on AM it was easier
but stacks matter less now so it's not a big deal
nova marsh
I feel like we mostly circled back to the alpha discussion of "well, on pull that sucks ass"
lone raft
crits are double
lone raft
before start pop ss
nova marsh
Hroth where are you
hybrid needle
I have to say after doing a few keys as both - slayer feels better. It feels more refined. If we get more Demos that might completely switch
plain bison
Hey there fellas, is this okay-ish for +11 terrace? currently 265ilv, only one good trinket, just struggling with singletarget where I sit on 50-60k dps, is colossus really that weak on single?
(the overall was 125k)
slow saddle
Also col shines in higher keys
shadow osprey
I wish it was just one giant hit with a crazy wind up and a smash effect with some crazy debuff like 30% armor pen. Would feel more dramatic than a couple of hits followed by the one smash.
plain bison
this was the last boss, if anyone got a second and could just quickly check if it's somewhat correct, that would be appreciated^^
latent moss
I wish it was just one giant hit with a crazy wind up and a smash effect with so...
we really dont need more modifiers
if someone asked me about colo design
id say demo should just replace cs
and apply cs on the last hit
shadow osprey
^ that would be cool too
latent moss
like apply cs on both first 2 hits and then on the last
and replace ravager with cs does more damage
timber vector
Is there no way to track ravager buff in the cdm
shadow osprey
Am i alone in disliking ravager?
hybrid needle
No
latent moss
no
slow saddle
BS should be baseline
Never
Ravager is fine
Its just not included i cdr nor tuned to do dmg
So it feels shitty
hybrid needle
Ravager is basically just merciless bonegrinder
shadow osprey
Fine != fun, regardless of damage or cdr imo
last saddle
ravager should get pooped out when you press csmash
hybrid needle
It could atleast apply deep wounds or something
slow saddle
They have basicly removed the value of rav
And thats why it feels off
No dmg no synergy no cdr
Do same to bladestorm and we would hate it to
candid pecan
ok Mythic Alleria time as slayer arms, any tips besides hit stuff and dont die?
warped spade
Is the issue
the issue is they pruned it, then people cried about losing bonegrinder and they added it back in
still cove
Is arms warrior hard to learn? I’m a 3k io prot warrior and debating switching to dps now that I’ve hit 3k. Just don’t know how hard rotation is to learn
warped spade
damage would have been better without it.
slow saddle
I mean we alll know bonegrinder should just come with.avatar
Like nn 2 send a rav out
If it doesnt do dmg nor aligns woth cds
warped spade
what's the point in having it at all.. just buff avatar if our burst isnt high enough
sand totem
Is arms warrior hard to learn? I’m a 3k io prot warrior and debating switching t...
We talking m+ or raid?
Overall its a pretty easy rotation. Maybe not as pure zug as fury, but if i can do it anyone can
latent moss
Is arms warrior hard to learn? I’m a 3k io prot warrior and debating switching t...
slayer is simple colo takes some keys to get comfortable on
still cove
M+ - I don’t raid
latent moss
ye im talking m+
still cove
Ok cool, may craft a 2h and give it a go
sand totem
Keep rend up
Cleave on cooldown
Keep sweeping up
Send CDs on CD
???
Profit
shadow osprey
Ok cool, may craft a 2h and give it a go
If you do colossus I do recommend just trying it out the dummies and gauging the distance on demolish. I've definitely whiffed by judging the distance wrong
pulsar frost
These col changed gonna be lit
still cove
Awesome. This is very helpful, thanks for info guys!
sand totem
If you do colossus I do recommend just trying it out the dummies and gauging the...
Ive whiffed so fucking many demos
pulsar frost
Ive whiffed so fucking many demos
The pain and suffering from watching tank walk away form your demo
shadow osprey
As a former ele player I've grown desensitized from this happening with earthquakes.
sand totem
The pain and suffering from watching tank walk away form your demo
Ive started Shockwaving before I demo just so I can hit something
warped spade
The pain and suffering from watching tank walk away form your demo
there is tech
sand totem
there is tech
The tech is making my buddy tank. And if he pulls shit like that I drive over to his house and beat his ass IRL
hybrid needle
Am i a bad person for letting people with gargoyles die in pit if they dont stand near melee cause i dont wanna not cleave and tank isnt moving
minor gust
No you arent
wind hatch
Am i a bad person for letting people with gargoyles die in pit if they dont stan...
not at all
minor gust
That is the only appropriate thing to do
wind hatch
stupid ranged players deserve it
minor gust
Fuck em they need to learn