arms

[latent moss]

they did everything they could to make it worse

[nova marsh]

and it wasn't even that good to begin with

[latent moss]

yep

st slop dungeon with the illusion of mass aoe cause of first pull

[nova marsh]

Yeah

Going colo was a mistake

[stable fiber]

ok game time

[ebon tendon]

Tell moz kekful says hi

[latent moss]

dps warr on lura...

[nova marsh]

GOOD LUCK MY BROTHER IN ARMS

GIVE THAT BOSS HELL

[balmy kindle]

priest

[nova marsh]

Yeah shit got blocked

they kinda trolled whole key

granted

I did too

WOW

BOTH MY TOONS HAVE AN 11 SETA

[stable fiber]

ok

i did 120k first pull

is that good OM

do we think powerful momentum is good

on l'ura

[meager ginkgo]

confused on developer notes for 12.0.5 - they keep going back and forth on the changes?

[lean geode]

where stream

[hollow quail]

anyone else getting themselves killed because of demolish

[stable fiber]

up

[lean geode]

bro joins yoda guild and decides he needs yoda UI too

this is vile

[minor gust]

AHHHHHG 5% wipe on pallies

[lean geode]

we had 0.7% and 1.5% wipes tonight before killing

[minor gust]

Our MMs are afk!

[lean geode]

this boss is miserable

[lean geode]

put them in a blender man

[minor gust]

fuckin ranged man!

[stable fiber]

i dont think

its that bad

[lean geode]

ranged dps and healers always the worst players in every mid level guild amen

[lean geode]

I mean at LEAST swap the vertical order of your action bars so the main rotational ones are nearer to the center of the screen / your buffs

I don't think you need to be seeing your mounts or how many inky black potions you have during combat

[stable fiber]

inky black potions are needed

so ur wrong

[minor gust]

Inky black potions own

that shit on paladins increases your abillity to dodge massively

[nova marsh]

[lean geode]

is this tech?

[minor gust]

big tech

[lean geode]

what does it look like during the hammers + shields?

[minor gust]

nice dark floor bright ass hammer and shield that shit owns

[lean geode]

it's still criminal that the hammers, shields, and the boss bubble are all the same color

but that would probably help

[minor gust]

they say they make things clearer to see for 1 tier then forget and repeat the same shit in future tiers

more purple on purple

[nova marsh]

because blizzard needs that flavor

can't just have evreything be bright orange

Idk, visibility has been a lot better for me personally but...I mean I also don't raid so I have no real room to talk

[exotic horizon]

Guys I am reading nerfs. On 12.0.5

[nova marsh]

Slayer down a bit

Colo up like holy fuck

[exotic horizon]

Didn't find anything in colo . Maybe I am reading something diff

Can you link please this make me happy .

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

all of its in here

just scroll up to the first ptr post and read down

[nova marsh]

I have

resorted to maxium gamba

on trying to find key groups

[exotic horizon]

I am reading the new dev note . The one you linked is older

Arms
Mortal Wounds now triggers from Mortal Strike and Slam (was Mortal Strike and Cleave).
Colossus
Practiced Strikes now increases Mortal Strike and Slam damage by 15% and Cleave and Whirlwind damage by 15%.

5% nerf. On Ms slam cleave . And cleave dont bleed no more .

[nova marsh]

Yes

Btw the clap change got reverted

[mystic summit]

anybody know the % gain for colo st with the changes?

[bitter remnant]

Hi, I have a question about Arms Warrior multi-target priority.

On Wowhead, for multitarget it looks like Cleave -> Mortal Strike in the priority. But when I look at top logs / actual high-end gameplay, it seems that on 2 targets people often use Mortal Strike before Cleave.

Is that actually correct for 2-target situations? If so, is that because of specific talent interactions, rage efficiency, or just depending on buffs / procs / Colossus Smash timing?

I’d appreciate it if someone could clarify the real 2-target priority. Thanks.

[reef prairie]

2target rotation is just the st rotation basically

Assuming you have sweeping strikes up of course (should be up pretty much 100%)

[bitter remnant]

Thanks, that makes sense. So for 2 targets, as long as Sweeping Strikes is maintained, I should basically follow the single-target rotation rather than treating it like a true Cleave/Whirlwind-heavy multi-target setup. Appreciate it.

[exotic horizon]

Yes but still use cleave when you have 3 stack of the buff

[pulsar frost]

hows arms in dreamrift mythic?

fury currently feels kinda meh

[steep tree]

at what ilevel should i solo nulleus as an arms warrior

[stable fiber]

id personally go fury for solo, but its mostly dependant on alleria lvl ngl

[exotic horizon]

@bitter remnant dont forget about collateral damage when you fighting 2 target

[steep tree]

i see

[stable fiber]

but i killed it at like

250?

was like world 15th or smth

[pulsar frost]

youre like low key cradked tho

did you dreamrift as arms good sir

[steep tree]

danm i am at 268

[stable fiber]

i did

[steep tree]

aww dag nabit

hate that i wasn't part of the fabled

[pulsar frost]

debating, im pugging it tho

[stable fiber]

you can kill it at 268

[pulsar frost]

fury feels kinda meh there

[stable fiber]

with a decent val lvl

[steep tree]

she is 30

[stable fiber]

arms is mostly boss damage

yeah thats good enough

you can spec thane fury aoe talents

and just outsustain the boss with healer valleria

[exotic horizon]

Check wowlogs and see which spec deal most damage for each encounter

[stable fiber]

fury is probably better overall damage but arms does good boss dam

really just w/e u care about

[smoky berry]

Heroic Strike is still like prio over the odder buttons right. somone said you could just macro it into ms or op. is that still a thing?

[stable fiber]

and idc so much about adds

[thick kelp]

If you have to solo adds play fury

if u can smile and sweep from boss play arms

[pulsar frost]

i mean fair, but in the pugging thing, and they all just care about hte numbers

including padding

[bitter remnant]

got it, Should Cleave only be used at 3 stacks of Collateral Damage, or is it still worth using before 3 stacks sometimes?

[exotic horizon]

@smoky berry dont do that . If there are 3 target you should spend heroic strike with cleave so I am afraid if you macro you may spend it before using cleave

[smoky berry]

was more for the singel target fights, i know the cleave tech

but guese its a bad habbit maybe to have the macro

[fervent cedar]

during execute it can be used as a filler more frequently, but generally on 2 target send on 3 stacks of colat only

[vernal junco]

U guys think colossus remains the go to for m+ with 12.0.5?

[fervent cedar]

absolutely

colossus is about to be even better than it already is

[vernal junco]

Sadge xD I don’t like demolish xD

[fervent cedar]

however slayer is still good right now and will still be good (in theory) after the changes

[jolly nymph]

i thought the changes was that reap the storm will only proc of cleave/whirlwind 3+ targets now, not the 20% higher chance

[fervent cedar]

cleave will only proc reap on 3+ targets, the reverted imminent demise only proccing on 2+ targets, so slayer ST is improved

[turbid plinth]

We only bladestorm during colossus smash, right?
So if cs is like 15s out, we hold bs for 15?

[fervent cedar]

you wont be proccing reap off MS, but they added deep wounds to slam, so it might even out?

its a math question

plus bladestorm will be doing more damage now

slayer aoe will be totally fine

single target probably slightly better?

[fervent cedar]

our cds are worthless without cs, hold for cs

that might change for colossus in .5 tho

because demolish will be up so frequently we can probably demolish between each cs

[minor gust]

@latent moss almost a clean 17 pit but we choked a lil on 2nd boss and 3 of us died but we clutched it and still timed. Slayer banger shoulda been almost 200k

[fervent cedar]

nice

I saw biz do a +20 pit where his group pulled the trash that can't die that are around the necromancer guy onto the first boss and he funneled 100k ST into the boss it was nuts

[exotic horizon]

Most of the time you will use cleave on 3 stack this can change if you have ravager up since prio with ravager change

[gentle gyro]

Are we eating good now in slayer?

[fervent cedar]

Always have been

[gentle gyro]

Idk what I am doing wrong, damage seems very low

[pulsar frost]

slayers been good, but col is about to eat good next week

[gentle gyro]

Inital burst is atrocious, I almost can catch up later on

[exotic horizon]

How many time you open in a pack ? Once or twice ?

[empty sluice]

Just pre stack bs on dummies and youre fine

[pulsar frost]

pre stacking slayer on dummies sounds not it chief

col sure i get it but slayer 🤔

[fervent cedar]

you dont even need to prestack on colo

just press sweeping strikes at the start of the key and single target whatever the tank hits first

[radiant sonnet]

Where i can see patch notes for arms ? I am not sure why but i cant find it

[minor gust]

you arent gonna beat many specs in first pull with lust and pot as slayer. The dmg comes from the consistency every pull

especially if you dont prestack ID before key

[proud temple]

What should I pick, Hero track Plum or Myth track Prism? Both simming around .9% better than what I got. I have Heart + Guidon both hero track currently.

Leaning towards Prism as it is only avail from Vault but idk

[balmy basalt]

are we super squishy that I have to sit in defensive stance half the dungeon in a 15 or did I get a bad healer

[frosty basin]

how much of a st increase for colo will be the new changes to demolish? I hate that when I get to boss I feel like dead weight

[plain solstice]

not enough to make you not feel like a dead weight if i had to guess

[frosty basin]

🙁

[minor gust]

you will be 6% better in ST in M+ build

[steep tree]

so collosus is better than slayer for soloing nulleus?

[gentle gyro]

Yeah I guess. I am trying my best.

[rustic reef]

In execute do you like stand still if you are raged starved no op stacks and 1x execute stack and 0 rage wating for another execute rage so that you can cast ms ?

[thick kelp]

chargeweave

[rustic reef]

Really thats the only thing thats left

Arms must feel horrible in execute

[outer tendon]

Thats something i wasnt sure i understood right in the prio list. So we always want the 2 execute casts before Mortal strike in execute?

Cause im at 0 rage always not pressing ms for quite some time waiting for the rage to cast execute that felt wrong to me

[hollow quail]

is colossus getting nerfed in 12.0.5 or am i reading the wrong post?

[minor gust]

its getting buffed

[unreal mountain]

Did i get it Right ? Next week is 12.0.5 release and is the changes for demolish also goes live then? I personally think it’s way better with cpming changes

And also the Martial Talent change

[hollow quail]

is there a post where all the changes are aggregated? im having trouble finding it

I found a post where it appears practiced strikes is getting nerfed

[tight basin]

Most arms going back to col?

[slow saddle]

YES

i mean

12.05 im pretty certain col is the Play in m+

and tbh the more ive played it the more i like it

all it rly needed was better st without having to do degen shit 😄 now we got that

The last thing i wanted was a BIT more rage

is all

[lament oar]

what'd they buff?

[slow saddle]

well

so

[high snow]

slayer is ok but colossus just feels so good

[slow saddle]

when u have 10 stacks of demo thingy

ms = 5 seconds cdr

before it was 2

but this also means if theres 2 targets and u sweep

= 10 sec cdr

so that demolish will be SPAMMED like GOD

[lament oar]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-nice-gif-14153667

[high snow]

its gonna get nerfed, unironically op

[slow saddle]

i mean

have u seen

dh

dk

ret

hunter

warlock

aug?

arms is now OP in certain situations, which these other fuckers also are

like we say COL has good st, its still like 30-40k behind ideal UHDK 😄
s

so we still aint god 😛

but power removed from Cleave put into other shit is a win to me

[soft parcel]

it had bunch of iterations so getting full picture is a bit hard, but overrall it should be a great buff, you spam demolish (and it will have 25% larger aoe) and be happy

[soft parcel]

that's just how warrior works, i guess, still remember how they butchered Fury based on heroic raid in 1st season of TWW and memes around it

[broken minnow]

Is the 12.0.5 a buff?

[misty bridge]

It is

[soft parcel]

lmao the name

[broken minnow]

Slayer aswell?

[soft parcel]

yeah indeed delete that ravager already

[slim night]

Col is so back. We are so back

My ST just sucks ass

[soft parcel]

or at least make it sync with rest of our kit more or less

[tame sable]

is it true arms is further ahead of fury now on damage? had a few people say they're out damaging furys on keys

[slow saddle]

no

not in 7 days it will

then its just like mildly depressing 😄

but way better

[slow saddle]

i think slayer might have caught a nerf on the Aoe front a bit

st i think mby 0 or 1 % nerf

[slim night]

M+ feels fine, slayer works well but in the raids. I'm hitting them with a wet towel

[slim night]

I have outdamaged every fury I ever ran keys with, but then I'm only doing ,11/12 keys now. Not sure what situation is in 15+

[slow saddle]

i mean if u play collosus

im pretty certain gap increases in high keys

as u start to actually plan abit around it as a tank

as in like a 17 i tried, i had cds twice every pack 😄 thats lit when u get to demo twice + wb twice and just cleave those fackas

[slim night]

True true, if mobs stay alive for longer you can dish out some damage with col.

[dim basalt]

ye being able to pull CS twice in a pack and being able to go into the next one with cs + avatar + 10 stack demo is pretty sick

I had a crazy thing happen in a +17 MT yesterday

Got to the last boss with 8 minutes left and for whatever reason the mw wanted the tank to ping himself for dispel

He didnt ping, mw let tank die

We ran to boss again because we easily had enough time and mw left in-fight because tank refused to ping himself

lol

[slim night]

The what

This kind of stuff always amaze me

[dim basalt]

yeah hopefully he gets a short ban or something

idk how often he does that and gets reported

I was even more surprised about the timer anyway

3 pulls were a lot smaller than you would usually do them in a pug

no clue how we were this fast

[soft parcel]

i havent done any research on that subject, gonna wait untill smart people will help us with numbers

[dim basalt]

Arms has been outdps'ing Fury in keys for a while now

But both specs are good

[soft parcel]

i just have better gear for arms so i stick with it

[dim basalt]

Noxiv plays Slayer Fury in keys and still plays +20 keys

So you can do whatever you want really

[slow saddle]

This

i mean obviously noxiv is a fucking GOAT

but still

[shut token]

is there any way to make a build where you get both martial prowess and decent aoe?

[slow saddle]

wh

y do u want that

it doesnt work with

battlelord

Either u wanna reset ms as much as possible or u dont m8 😄

[shut token]

Yeah I want a build that makes both good st and aoe as arms but im struggling 😄

just now trying out a sweeping strikes build with whirlwind collateral damage

but it´s not so great aoe

[balmy kindle]

If you've followed here for awhile one of the major gripes is that we have to opt for ST or AOE

Our talent choices had always been quite rigid

[shut token]

yeah that annoys me a lot with arms because I really like the spec otherwise. Will there be any change to this in the upcoming patch?

[balmy kindle]

Unfortunately I doubt it but colossus is getting some juice

[shut token]

One really easy fix for them would be to not have martial prowess gated by the shitty overpwer damge under 35% hp talent

[hoary trail]

Hey guys, i'm new to arms. Just a question for demolish. You'd rather use it on cd or make sure you have the stacks

[near flax]

Anyone got any tips for mythic dragons, just starting prog

[zenith warren]

for slayer arms aoe opener should I use cleaves before bs or just bs?

[tepid cape]

I watched Critcake and Biz doing keys they both bs before using their 4 cleaves.

[vapid pine]

Has anyone checked if raidbuff quest has anything to do with killing bosses or just turn in and blast?

[zenith warren]

turn in

[vapid pine]

Noice

[fresh spire]

Send bs first on aoe. Sims next week will be doing it as its like 100 dps loss to do it. Works better in short fights getting it on cd

[lime ruin]

ST damage on colossus is going to be a lot better I’m looking forward to it

I think bladestorm before cleaves is better since you still have time to use the cleaves for the CS window and you apply overwhelmed debuff asap so it’s just more damage

[exotic horizon]

That confused the hell out of me . I saw bizz guide and he clearly said cleave before bs after CS unless mop soon will go under 35% than bs first so cleave benefit from 35% dmg . Than I watched a vod of him and he always 100% bs after every cs and than use cleave

[lime ruin]

Always use demolish with and only with colossus smash. On initial pulls like at the start of a dungeon or boss fight just send it to get the haste buff and deep wounds dot on. The damage isn’t that bad

[fresh spire]

It's worth more to get cleave on cd in current patch with deep wounds being nerfed crusjing combo losing one cleave charge and bladestorm buffed its just more consistent to just bladestorm first for haste buff for faster burst

[exotic horizon]

The change you are talking is only in ptr no ?

[fresh spire]

Yes coming next week

So it's worth next week to just rip bladestorm first on shorter pulls

[exotic horizon]

Ya we are talking what currently happening

[fresh spire]

Even now its not much of a damage different to storm or cleave first. But that gap closes even more next week

[exotic horizon]

I am still confused if I should bs before cleave or after . Because I see poeple saying cleave first but doing the opposite right now

[fresh spire]

Until next week cleave first

Next week it doesn't matter what you do it works out the same so just bladestorm first next week

[umbral badger]

thing is, if you bladestorm first it feels more consistant, cuz when you don't bladestorm first and you get stuck into a cycle of sudden death procs and cleaves "and as we know you can't bladestorm if you have all those sudden death stacks"

it kinda feels like i am now stuck in a no-bladestorm situation

so at least in that sense it feels good to bladestorm first nad be done with that

[fresh spire]

Main thing is on shorter pulls bladestorming first gives it more likeliness from sd usage after to get it off cd closer to start of next pull

[exotic horizon]

What about sudden death procs . I feal bs first is smother somtime since if I cleave first I may get 2 stack of it wile bs still not in cs

[umbral badger]

yea yea and i guess i am just trying to say "and it also feels better than feeling unable to use it cuz of the procs"

[slow saddle]

I love that 3400 gives u a mount now

MORE Rewards please

make my brain wanna go higher even if its puggin

[fresh spire]

Me and my mates was considering pushing for once to get mount if it's only 3400. Same time that 1% margin might go up alot if more are wanting to get it

[slow saddle]

id like some rewards that could buy mby old PVP sets

yeah it might go up ? but the first 3200

also its an exclusive mount gettin to top 1% and staying there isnt to bad is it+

i think iwas there last season

[dim basalt]

For lots of people it will be bad

1% on EU is 3419 rn

And we are far from peak

[ionic mica]

You can either full send boss and just hit orbs when they are there, or save CDs for orbs which involves a small amount of holding and blow them up

[slow saddle]

y i think i ended at like 3750 last season

[dim basalt]

Will likely be higher this season

[slow saddle]

and tbh having more ppl playing more keys is good

[dim basalt]

Because dungeons are easier

[slow saddle]

yeah yeah season is easier

idm if theres a 1% goal

[ionic mica]

There's a CS/demolish before 1st or 2nd intermission where you get it back and just send on boss as there's no adds and intermission in 15s

[slow saddle]

i think its a good thing

coz then loads of ppl make it to the 1% and theres more ppl that suddenly wanna push even higher

can never be a bad thingy

[slow saddle]

next week arms gotta be pretty good on dragons as well r ? 😄

[dim basalt]

Arms is already good on dragons

[ionic mica]

Yeah it's already very good and it's going to pipe them next week

Probably the same cd lineups but an extra demolish in-between each set or something ridiculous

Or you can be an ethical dragon killer if your raid can deal with orbs

[slow saddle]

im an ethical orb killer hope u dont ind

m*

[ionic mica]

Oh same

[slow saddle]

c this is the best thing about being in a SLOW (hopefull ) ce guild

warrior is tuned Once we get to bosses

😄 or they are nerfed so warrior can be brought

😄

[ionic mica]

My raid started complaining about not having time to kill them so this reclear I'll go full boss

[slow saddle]

"full"

[ionic mica]

Well

[slow saddle]

Oops demolish aligned automaticly

slam bam thank you man

[ionic mica]

😊

[slow saddle]

do u play cleave ?

and fervor ?

[ionic mica]

Tbh as long as CS is on the dragons when adds are up it's all good

Yeah I played m+ Colo with 100% sweeping I think

[slow saddle]

yeah so the totally M+ build

[ionic mica]

But it's such a minor hold to get demolish on the orbs

[slow saddle]

y i cant rly c a middle ground either

i guess u could NOT take fervor + the cleave talents

dno what u rly get from that

[ionic mica]

Tbh I just want the orbs under the dragons hitbox

So I can target them not some random orb

[slow saddle]

, as if u can just send some big cleaves now and then u get those big hs // slams

facts

[ionic mica]

Yeah it's orbs > cs and demo > leap out if null beam > charge back and spam cleave

Orbs gone

Sometimes one isn't gripped so you can keep fob cleaving which is nice

[slow saddle]

sounds perfect

i mean some how id wish they deleted fob

if its whats holding back our st

if not just let us FOB

[ionic mica]

Nah I'd rather have a funnel niche than be mid ST

[slow saddle]

true true

[ionic mica]

Unless they gave us actually good ST it's more fun to funnel

[slow saddle]

its just less reelvant in raid

yeye i would expect like ret + s

t

like 120k

[ionic mica]

Exactly

Doing m+ with a Ret friend and damage amp bosses look so fun

[slow saddle]

yup

tbh

and AMP boss WITH adds

call on the Fob police

[ionic mica]

I'm just praying for SD procs and he is doing 1m+ execution sentence

[slow saddle]

or demolish rdy also cranks

next week u are collosus i c some chances of it being pretty amped as well

[ionic mica]

Oh yeah col will be strong next week

And I'll start pestering tanks to pull into bosses more

[slow saddle]

i mean its GGGGGreeat fun

demo demo demo demo

[ionic mica]

Atm I just slayer mostly cos it's just 15s, started later than normal

[slow saddle]

how many demos can u get into a CS q's will start poppin up

[slow saddle]

still on 14-16 range as well

and slayer does equally well in 20s

just different profile

like slayer is by no means bad at all, also has very strong funnelsky

[ionic mica]

Yeah I just want that second CS per pack without needing one DPS to unplug their keyboard

Oh yeah slayer is still blasting

[slow saddle]

yeah higher keys lets arms cook so much

[dark cypress]

Hello,

So, since I'm forced to play Arms for Paladins

I'm just wondering

Does Cleave consume Heroic Strike?

So I just never press it in AOE

[ionic mica]

Yes if you play Fervor of Battle and hit 3 targets

[dark cypress]

Fair

[ionic mica]

You press heroic strike in 2t which sadly is quite often on paladins

[dark cypress]

Yeah I forgot that talent

Thanks

God I'm so disgusted by the rage starving

😭

[astral yarrow]

it rocks being rage starved on pull even when lusting

[shut token]

I heard from a guy yesterday that we are gonna have a lot more uptime of demolish in 2 target situations, what is the difference from single target? Woudln´t the cdr be the same?

[steel furnace]

if ur rage starved it might be a late dispell from lust, definitely shouldnt be on a good opener

[spring vale]

more might stacks from mortal strike getting swept = more demolish cdr

[shut token]

Ah that makes sense, so the off target counts for the cdr as well?

[spring vale]

It sure does

[astral yarrow]

its more a question of whether you crit on yoru first auto attack or not

delaying demolish some helps as well, but overall it just feels terrible

[safe jay]

or not get parried

[astral yarrow]

it adds texture

[safe jay]

the classic 2 overpower opener

since i have to wait for AA

xD

[astral yarrow]

funny how resisting spells doesnt add texture in the same way

[safe jay]

yeah

immersion wdym?

[leaden garnet]

What percentage of light blinded vanguard is actually 3t?

[floral tide]

Depends on the quality of your tanks

[dark cypress]

Is there no way to gain more rage other than

Bloodsurge

& freaking Leap-Charge

[inner wasp]

walk charge

[dark cypress]

Fml

[last saddle]

Chargeweave57

[floral tide]

Charge weaving is sick. Love it tbh

[vapid pine]

Charge weaving woulda been passable if we were allowed a swing timer

[floral tide]

Idk I just base it on gcd

[vapid pine]

Then you might be losing more than you gain

[steep osprey]

You don't need a swing timer

just look at your rage bar lol

if you suddenly get 25+ rage, you auto attacked

[floral tide]

Idk I just follow the biz guide

[vapid pine]

If that's gameplay you enjoy then no problem

[floral tide]

Wdym? It's just different way of seeing the same thing

[steep osprey]

There's no real difference between looking at your rage bar and your swing timer

It's the same thing

[vapid pine]

????

[dark cypress]

That's so bad gameplay for me xd

[vapid pine]

Swing timer means I don't need to look at rage bar and remember if I autoed 3 seconds ago when I starve

[floral tide]

Swing timer completes when rage goes up

[vapid pine]

I can just see how far until the next auto

That's a massive difference

[steep osprey]

I don't see a difference personally

[vapid pine]

It's like saying I don't need to track Sweeping Strikes buff, just count to 12 spells

Like sure, in theory

But that's not how I want to play the game

And if Sweeping Strikes was untrackable I would be mad

[floral tide]

That's not the same

[steep osprey]

That's not the same thing at all lmao

[dark cypress]

Passive auto attacks should just not be a thing, pressing buttons should be the gameplay xd

That's so 2004

[steep osprey]

Idk

If arms didn't have that, it would be just like any other builder spender spec

I like that it's different

[shut token]

what is the minimum haste for arms?

[dark cypress]

How's Slayer Arms 3T?

[rare kite]

Big good

[tacit sandal]

What is net gain from demolish buff?

[dim basalt]

7%-ish

Well, 7% including the nerfs to the other stuffs

[tacit sandal]

St or aoe?

[dim basalt]

ST

aoe its a small nerf, like 3% at 10T

iirc

But with how strong col is in aoe thats whatever

[dim basalt]

#arms message

Found the sim sheet

[inner wasp]

3% to overall or 3% to demolish

oh they said net gain

oopies

[dim basalt]

To demolish its a lot more

[olive nest]

What thee

[hollow quail]

Thoughts on playing fury in skyreach instead of arms? There is no funnel or multitarget bosses

Would slayer arms out compete fury?

[warped owl]

You can sweep adds on last two bosses

[wind hatch]

pulls are still pretty big on skyreach as well

arms better

[warped owl]

Think trash is scarier too than bosses

[kind stag]

yeah

skyreach trash is genuinely freaky

[inner wasp]

wtf explodes me on the trash before final boss

as tank

[kind stag]

still prefer it over maisara and AA

[inner wasp]

something just melts the tank

[kind stag]

bleeds from one of the adds

[inner wasp]

not a dwarf moment?

[kind stag]

idk the name of them im sure you can find it fast but one of them bleeds or reduces armor or something i think

or maybe both

i know tank gets a debuff from them at least

[inner wasp]

feels like i have to kite xd

[kind stag]

you most defo have to kite

think one of the melee guys does the debuff

[steep tree]

any talent builds for nulleus?

[wind hatch]

the normal st build should be fine

maybe take stance mastery if you need survivability and broad strokes if you need it for the first set of adds

[kind stag]

critcake has a great vid on fury, you can kinda copy it for arms but its so much easier on fury

[dark cypress]

So Colossus ST is garbage right?

[warped owl]

Not that great without funnel

[kind stag]

gonna be better soon but still poverty

[lone raft]

what is happening soon? the cdr change goes live?

[kind stag]

next week

[lone raft]

ok ty

[graceful agate]

Stupid question but I'm looking at the wowhead guide for arms and it has rend, both apply and re up low on the priority of abilities. do I use on pull or only when all prior abilities are unavailable?

[granite swift]

does that reduced cooldown on demolish make up for the one less cleave nerf in 12.0.5?

[latent moss]

yes

makes up for all the aoe nerfs

[lone raft]

I think that is for ST… for AoE def important to keep rend up at least afaik according to a more dated Bizenstein video

[graceful agate]

It's for st but slayer in general, I'm swapping from fury so it's never something I've cared about but arms has lots of talents that affect rend so I'm just confused how significant that is

[wind hatch]

it's an EXTREMELY minor optimization

just applying rend on pull and keeping it up constantly is fine if you dont want to min max

[graceful agate]

Awesome, thank you 🙏😁

[sour tinsel]

ya rend is defo needed

I usually charge rend CS avatar bladestorm as an opener for slayer

[shut token]

we get reduced cooldwon on colossus smash as well? I thought only demolish?

[steep tree]

oh i um see

[granite swift]

nah meant demolish**

[ripe igloo]

Im looking at talent builds of Arms Warriors who have done some of the top level m+ keys and they all seem to be leaving points available in the arms tree?

Is this a bug or is there actually a reason for them not to use 3 points in Arms?

[dim basalt]

Those are points set in apex

[daring copper]

Hey guys, watching critcakes skyreach 20 as slayer. He has a button add-on that shows what buttons he's pressing. It seems he's spamming mortal strike while he is in bladestorm. Is that right? Or is the add-on just just showing the passive mortal strikes being sent out

[dim basalt]

The latter ye

[latent moss]

@thick kelp

thoughts?

[dim basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-freedom-free-chain-gif-2032133702890087634

free from puzzle box hostage

[daring copper]

@dim basalt thanks!

[latent moss]

powerful guidon

macro'd to ravager

[latent moss]

haste flask ig?

it wants me to hastemaxx as colo

ig 20% haste is too low afterall

[dim basalt]

just go with the vibe and use crit

[dim basalt]

What the fuck

Is that crit

[latent moss]

will sim some more its probably gonna tell me to go more

haste with gems

i dont think the ring enchant can be swapped

its straight up 1% crit dam

[latent moss]

i dont think i specced fury this tier

[dim basalt]

unbuffed Im at 27.8 23.7 21 1

so 20 is kinda low ye

[latent moss]

ye im running

9 trillion combinations top gear rn

man finally they added consumables

to top gear

[dim basalt]

I should do that too sometime

[olive nest]

Hollyyy!!!

Pogging

[latent moss]

macro'd to ravager did some testing on 5 dummies

hoooooooly my dmg is so much higher

guidon pushes me over crit for reck pot but maybe

thats tech

to get even more haste for tierset

[dim basalt]

fuck reck pot

[latent moss]

i think reck pot haste with guidon

might be tech

[olive nest]

That is like 80% haste lmao

[latent moss]

especially in .5

ye

[kind stag]

what if someone else uses it too or you get buffs from others, wouldnt reck mess it up?

[latent moss]

u basically guarantee

extending cs for 2nd demo

[latent moss]

what buffs

idk i dont raid

[olive nest]

Which is omega value

[kind stag]

guidon is from raid thoooooo

[latent moss]

ye i pugged heroic

[olive nest]

That basically adds like 3-4 extra demos inside of cs on a fight

[kind stag]

i got myth heart of wind this week so i think ill pass on guidon if it drop or just sim it and see if it would even be worth

[olive nest]

That’s omega value for sure

[bleak iris]

Is next week’s nerf bad?

[kind stag]

#updates-midnight

[last saddle]

they gotta remove ravager man

[kind stag]

✅

[bleak iris]

Oh sorry, I thought the Wowhead post was the latest

I didn’t read the date

[dim basalt]

5head

[olive nest]

No the changes in .5 are good

[dim basalt]

I wonder if cone is actually onto something

Thatd be crazy

[latent moss]

its extendable with guidon

i extended on dummies

[dim basalt]

Wait shouldnt it be enough without guidon too?

[latent moss]

without pot

[dim basalt]

Or is that too close

[latent moss]

ye but u cant force haste pot

[dim basalt]

extending cs for 2nd demo just to pop cs again and gain all the stacks instantly

😩

[latent moss]

ye i did some ptr dummy

its insane

25s to 5s

from a single gcd

[kind stag]

interesting

[dim basalt]

I do wonder if sims also reflect this tech

[kind stag]

wonder whats it like on slayer, especially in execute range

rage starvation supreme

[dim basalt]

With guidon?

[latent moss]

doesnt affect

[dim basalt]

Haste is rage neutral

[latent moss]

haste doesnt affect rage

ye

it should be good in theory

both are haste fiends kinda

crit haste fiends

[kind stag]

apl is gonna change in .5 i guess

[latent moss]

not much

[kind stag]

especially for combo like yours it would be different

[dim basalt]

Barely

[latent moss]

main change is cleave dying on st

[kind stag]

ill take your word for it

[latent moss]

outside of collat=3 and ravager

[dim basalt]

I wonder if Walhe and Fishy tried some weird stuff by equipping more haste

[latent moss]

but u shouldnt ravager on st in m+ imo

unless u know its a guaranteed free cast

even then its barely a dps increase

ravager is a wasted global basically

if u cant cleave spam

[kind stag]

ravager and SS should be ogcds

[dim basalt]

I dont mind SS but ravager having a full gcd sucks

At least make it only half a gcd lol

[kind stag]

i do mind SS because its a gcd buff not an attack

[latent moss]

ye same

[olive nest]

I started holding my ravager on bosses that don’t have multi target

[latent moss]

i wish ss was ogcd

ye always hold ravager if there is some aoe incoming

i stopped casting it on st

[kind stag]

with shorter demo cds do you have enough stacks for it now?

[latent moss]

midnight pruning

[kind stag]

especially if haste stacked too?

[olive nest]

Send on pull if it’s up otherwise hold for the next pack after boss

[kind stag]

i have to be the only person not using the resource display i just raised by hotbars idk

[warm fog]

cOnTrOlLeR rEaDy

[latent moss]

wdym

[ionic mica]

i had to put all cds on a second row it got too wide xD

[latent moss]

enough stacks of what

[kind stag]

i put that thing for months and i would still look at my bars for CDs lmaooo

[latent moss]

charge on top bar is

a remnant from shadowlands

icl

[dim basalt]

I mean I still do that lmao

Cant get used to WA / cdm

But it doesnt matter how you play

[kind stag]

colossal might

[latent moss]

u always have 10 stacks in aoe

for demo

[kind stag]

im used to it from playing other MMOs but yeah its whatever

[latent moss]

outside of opener

they buffed the colossal might>10 cdr

[olive nest]

My charge is also top bar but far right side instead of far left hehe

[kind stag]

aoe yeah i get but ST?

[latent moss]

goat

didnt try st dummies but

it should always align now

unless u get 0 ms crits and 0 blord resets and 0 tactician

which can happen tbf

[dim basalt]

Wouldnt it be worth it to weave at least 1 MS after rav cs to get stacks even faster

[kind stag]

thats me

i get that

[latent moss]

i didnt sim this

but i ravager after cs+demo

[kind stag]

with slam spamming more now you get more OPs i guess

so should be more fluid there

[dim basalt]

I mean the order of cs doesnt matter

[latent moss]

i do charge rend ava cs demo rav+guidon

[dim basalt]

Im just thinking that it could be worth since you can get up to 4 stacks right away

then use all cleaves

and have ms ready again with potential 4 stacks

[latent moss]

maybe now but i think its gonna be a loss

in .5

[dim basalt]

Im thinking .5 specifically

[latent moss]

i was kinda doing that on lust pulls

[dim basalt]

Its gamba

[kind stag]

arms be gambling

[latent moss]

arms gamba spec as usual

[kind stag]

on ST in .5 for colo, do you still go cleave in any situations except ravager? execute any talent procs anything?

[latent moss]

right now ye but i wouldnt bother

get used to .5

u use exe with sd

[kind stag]

i play slayer mainly nowadays i rly gotta practice more colo im shite lule

[latent moss]

and if high on rage

[kind stag]

nah i mean because of mass execution do you still use cleave st?

[latent moss]

yes right now but not in .5

[kind stag]

so cleave goes last on priority in .5 for st

was before if you didnt have martial prowess you would press it over slam i guess

[latent moss]

ye

[uneven raft]

Hey any video guide for arms?

[kind stag]

bizentein has one

[umbral wagon]

Yea Biz's is really good

[late lantern]

so what should we craft as 3rd slot?

Can it just be anything you have a low item lvl in

And do we go double arcano?

[uncut wing]

do I perform ST rotation when there are 2 targets on myth paladins and 3rd is away? RL asked to spec arms for this fight

[ionic mica]

yes, you can press cleave at 3 collateral damage stacks in 2t but outside of that its ST rotation

[olive nest]

Eventually you will want arcano weave on cloak & wrist

For me right now it’s a dps loss to swap off 285 hunt weapon for 289 weapon + cloak&wrist with arcano

[uncut wing]

thx!

[late lantern]

cool so just sim with droptimizer

[olive nest]

Thinking that is likely due to not having enough crests to make the wrists 285 with Arcano I can only afford 259 Arcano

[late lantern]

i mean gear compare

[ionic mica]

once i got a myth 2h my sim was a decent gain to swap to double arcano, albeit on belt and wrists

[olive nest]

Use top gear and create whatever combinations you need to compare

[thick kelp]

hype

[ionic mica]

im redoing a gems/enchants sim as i finish moving from fury to arms gear, has anyone had the crit dam ring enchant show up as top of their sim?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wk8XE3sz6XS28WS7gEasUG

nothing mad just surprised to see it, only clicked cos i was curious

[dull cosmos]

I’ve been using it as it sims highest. Hoping it’s not sim bait. I’m at ~34% crit I think

[ionic mica]

its basically 2% crit dam vs 58 crit rating, im also at 34% crit actually 😄

im glad the crit% diamond simmed worse i cba mix and matching gem colours

[rain fiber]

when I'm playing Collosus on a boss like Vaelgor & Ezzorak, when using Demolish, I know the damage of the ability spreads on 8 yrds, but these 8 yrds are around the target or it's 8 yrds around me? I ask this because I'm wondering if I have to target my demolish towards an small orb or I can cast it on the boss and just position near the orbs. AFAIK, the funnel damage would be lost if I have to target one of the orbs. Does anyone know?

[olive nest]

Holly shit I’ve been slept on the Crit damage ring enchant

I need to sim that

[dull cosmos]

I could be way off here. But if you want to down boss you play Slayer. If you want to pads for parse then you probably go full out on adds and funnel is irrelevant

[ionic mica]

apparently people are using it xD swapping time if it sims well

[olive nest]

It makes total sense because we gear a ton of Crit stat already

I just never even thought to check it lol

[ionic mica]

yeah i just never checked how much crit dam it would give, 1% per ring kinda juicy

[ionic mica]

i have no idea if demolish aoe is from you or the target tbh, but i am always worried it will be 8yds from the centre of the dragon i would target and not hit the orbs. i just send it on the orbs and then tab back to a dragon for the cleaves

bonus boss dam by making your raid realise they dont need to hit orbs

[wind hatch]

colossus 2t damage is way closer to slayer than st is

[dull cosmos]

Are you getting 2T phases 1 and 2? Or just the free phase 3?

[ionic mica]

on mythic its 2t the whole fight

[olive nest]

Yeah mythic they are always right next to each other

[ionic mica]

with orbs every 35s or so and then the intermission add for a little bit after too

[olive nest]

And your group should be mass gripping the adds to the middle of the two

[dull cosmos]

Ahhh. I’m a scrub and haven’t hit mythic dragons

[ionic mica]

its juicy for arms

look forward to it!

[olive nest]

Yeah eye of the eagle is a gain

Good looking out!

I’ll be at 91.3k next week depending if vault changes anything

[ionic mica]

yeah ill be up there once i take my vault

i think myth gaze will beat myth voidclaw, not enough ST for voidclaw to be worth

[olive nest]

That’s tough man I’d have a hard time passing voidclaw

Even though I know it’s technically not part of full bis it’s just a cool item to have equipped

[ionic mica]

yeah same, cantrips are cool

but i wont get myth gaze ahead of the 8 people ahead of me, i have a hero one already

probably same story on plume when we eventually kill bird (only close to killing paladins atm)

[olive nest]

Oh yeah then probably a gaze angle unfortunately

[ionic mica]

rip, can get some crit haste gloves one day

i got myth tier gloves somehow cos none of us wanted it, good for ilvl at the time

[late lantern]

how can you tell if an evoker is bad?

aug

[olive nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aCSk9XghcVQU5pk2yWKTLT

[ionic mica]

logs

[olive nest]

Still don’t get to use 289 bellamy’s next week sadge

Probably need a giga haste weapon

[late lantern]

can you see it from details?

[olive nest]

Then it’ll let me use it

[ionic mica]

not any more, you could get an estimate in tww but new damage meter isnt allowed in midnight

[late lantern]

because i feel like we did no extra dmg from the aug voker in this +10 pit

[ionic mica]

im amazed the weapon ilvl doesnt get bellamy's top the top

[olive nest]

Hunt putting in work I guess

I think it’s because I need more haste on gear

[ionic mica]

it can be like that, its honestly hard to tell. as long as it felt comfortably in time and no slow packs etc

[olive nest]

Right now I get to much haste from enchants and gem and flask

[ionic mica]

they have breath and ebon might up a lot these days so it should feel fine

[late lantern]

we did have slow packs and it felt like we were boosting someone

[ionic mica]

i have ~970 crit and haste maybe that helps idk

[olive nest]

Aug doesn’t feel good on arms

[ionic mica]

one day big weapon surely

[olive nest]

I need that omega haste weapon from lura on mythic

Gg getting that thing

[ionic mica]

😄 yeah once i saw that was the best one i just took the pit weapon

crit haste will do

[olive nest]

Think that’s the next best option

Good call

Oh and I believe I’m at 1047 Crit / 1041 haste when flasked

Might be a little off actually since I spent crests this week lol

[ionic mica]

i still have some mastery lying around from fury gearing, need to sim swapping wrists to crit from mastery

and got these stinking up my gear

[olive nest]

Ohh yuk

[ionic mica]

was an upgrade from 266 and nobody wanted

[olive nest]

Yeah definitely want those gone

But good ilvl non the less

[ionic mica]

roll minor upgrade (mog) and win

you can see why i want the voidclaws from vault xD

[late lantern]

how can i sim arcanoweave?https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v9uDW36jVe6t3VX2aRZQku

its not showing up

[ionic mica]

you do it in top gear, add an item at the top and click the +

[tame sable]

Has anyone here jumped over from fury to arms? How you finding it? Feels completely alien to me as learning a totally new rotation, really wanted to try it out though

[shut token]

How much haste do i wanna aim for?

[ionic mica]

sim all the gear you get but mostly just take crit haste on everything you can get

[late lantern]

ohh is this top gear?

[ionic mica]

yes its at the top with the crests etc that you have

[molten ivy]

Just a quick question- how dogshi is my secondaries? I simmed and show only 45k dps lol. I need more crit right? Around what %?

[late lantern]

Thanks!

[latent moss]

looks like ure very low ilvl

ignore secondaries

get ilvl

generally though u ignore secondaries

u sim and equip what the robot tells you

[sharp goblet]

we did 2 PoS back to back (on like 13s) and a friend ran Aug once and Devastation once and I did identical overall

I feel like I just play worse when having aug buffs lol

[latent moss]

same in 19s and 18s

[sharp goblet]

i wonder if colo or slayer gets more from evoker

[nova marsh]

dude

you guys ever get a tank

that just pulls randomly and completely unpredictably

[pale cave]

Hey

[dire hinge]

gotta keep em guessing

[livid cobalt]

How do you use Heroic Strike during execute? Do you use it every time it’s up, or do you stop once you reach 4 stacks? The buff is pretty nice to have, but I often run into heavy rage starvation when I try to keep it at 3–4 stacks.

[dim basalt]

Colo and its not even close

[dim basalt]

Always on cd

[nova marsh]

Dude

this group is making me crash out

[livid cobalt]

Okay, but what if you already have full stacks — do you still use it every time?

[molten ivy]

This to me? im 264

[nova marsh]

WIPING

TO THE FREEST BOSS EVER

[dim basalt]

Getting to 5 stacks is pretty unrealistic but I dont think the prio changes

[dim basalt]

HS does pretty good damage for the rage cost

[livid cobalt]

ok ty

[nova marsh]

TWICE

TWO WIPES

TO LAST BOSS OF TERRACE

fucking how

[dim basalt]

[nova marsh]

DISBAND

ON THE LOST BOSS

COOL, TY FOR THE WASTE OF 30 MINUTES

Thank god that crap wasn't my key

[dim basalt]

#arms message

Maybe this will make you feel better

[nova marsh]

Oh

I'm starting to think terrace is just cursed for pugs

and they literally can't play it

Like we had just enough time

hunter was on work call and missed orb

Because I made the horrible choice of thinking "oh ranged will handle the ones not in melee like they always do

[proven veldt]

I don't think i've ever wiped to that boss

[nova marsh]

Yeah in an actual real group

it's the freest boss ever

[proven veldt]

there is one (1) mechanic

[nova marsh]

Like unironically

I think the only time I fuck it up is when I fall asleep cuz it's so damn boring

like ffs man

I just wanted to reroll my key

[wind hatch]

I was at the last boss in a +16 with 8 minutes left, and a unholy dk runs out of the soak right before it hits the ground

we wipe, he votes abandon, everyone else votes no because it's obviously still timeable and he just afks

[nova marsh]

Dude what is with pugs and terrace

I mean that key was omega cursed from the start

tank pulled erratically, randomly decided to do the pyro skip without pinging anyone (because half the tanks just don't do it) and pulled the pyromancer into the middle of evrey stun mob

And also a genius idea

"Let's pull the terror wave add into another terror wave right before the first dies. It lags behind jussttt enough to be off screen, so the dps think it died"

Fear into wipe

[fiery quest]

is the arms update a net nerf or buff?

i cant tell

[nova marsh]

For colo a net buff

[fiery quest]

cause losing deep wounds on cleave

seems really bad

[nova marsh]

Colo dosent care

Slayer it hurts a bit for aoe

[fiery quest]

🥹

i like slayer so much more

[reef glade]

just fob slam every mob in the tristate area

[nova marsh]

But colo will have same uptime on it regardless via denolish

[reef glade]

probably fine

[fiery quest]

i dont want to play colo

[nova marsh]

Boy

[olive nest]

Lmao

[nova marsh]

I got some bad news then

[fiery quest]

what is the bad news?

[reef glade]

ur playing colo

(if u want to own in m+)

if not as bothered by that or not doing giga hard keys prolly fine whatever u pick

[fiery quest]

im pushing +16-17 trying to get 3400

currently doing +15s

[reef glade]

yea colossus would be pretty good for that

[fiery quest]

the tank cant handle pulling some trash onto boss

so colo st is so dogshit

it hurts

last 2 times i asked tank to pull into boss we wiped

😭

bricked

[reef glade]

yea i mean its obv way better if u can get some funnel on bosses

but think even despite that its not like ur tank damage st

maybe like 60-80k

[latent moss]

big st buff

[reef glade]

and it just does too much aoe on trashpacks to not play

especially after buff

[wind hatch]

tbh even without funnel you will probably still be on top of dmg meters anyway

[reef glade]

gonna be stupid

[fiery quest]

yea i guess colossus will do better st now huh

[reef glade]

slightly better yeah

[fiery quest]

ok well goodbye slayer, ill spin to win next time

[latent moss]

aoe is technically like 1-3% nerfed but in actual packs in m+ its prob same or better

[reef glade]

deep wounds off slam assuming you hit slam which tbh its not bound on my bars as colo but prolly has to be now

and more demo cdr prolly good

[latent moss]

slam not bound

[reef glade]

colo has too many buttons

[steep osprey]

how are you playing with slam not bound lol

[wind hatch]

how do you play without slam bound

[reef glade]

im hittin a cleave or rend or something instead

and if i dont have any of that to hit then i just sit there for a global

gg

[unreal mountain]

can some one send me the complete upcoming changes for arms on wednesday?

[latent moss]

dps loss..

yellow name...

[reef glade]

gg

[wind hatch]

[latent moss]

#updates-midnight

[fiery quest]

its in updates

colossus gets a 5% size increase

[rose ibex]

Wait

[unreal mountain]

ty boys

[fiery quest]

so i guess its cooler than slayerp

[rose ibex]

Reap doesnt work on mortal strike anymore?

[balmy basalt]

Colossus decently tanky too

[reef glade]

no

[wind hatch]

yep

[balmy basalt]

Compared to slayer

[fiery quest]

WAIT WHAT

[rose ibex]

Huh

[fiery quest]

i didnt read that

[rose ibex]

That sounds bad

[fiery quest]

wth

[lime ruin]

Colossus tankiness and size is a reason I love it lol

[reef glade]

slayer loses st mortal strike reaps and its put on cleave in aoe now

but unlike fury st which is a direct loss arms at least gains extra back by slam giving deep wounds

[left shard]

wait the sudden death change for reap the storm got reverted no?

[rose ibex]

It was already on cleave i thought

[lime ruin]

And bladestorm 20% damage increase right?

[reef glade]

both also have bladestorm buffed but not enough for fury to come out ahead

yes

[rose ibex]

Just sounds like a big buff to colossus tbh

[fiery quest]

i miss my spin to win from season 3

[reef glade]

oh colo is rising heavy

[fiery quest]

the tierset

was the best

[lime ruin]

I hope colossus is close enough to slayer in st so I can justify one tricking it in raid

[fiery quest]

u are getting raid spots?

😟

[marsh forge]

so this is colo buff?

[lime ruin]

ST buff

[fiery quest]

yes

[marsh forge]

and not a huge loss on mt?

[lime ruin]

Small loss yeah

[marsh forge]

i don’t really play arms so i’m not sure what all the notes actually mean ty

[lime ruin]

I want to try the bleed colossus talent next patch too

[marsh forge]

i was wanting to swap to colo from fury even tho i like fury more

[fiery quest]

cleave nerf/demolish buff

[lime ruin]

With slam deep wounds

[balmy basalt]

Does colossus only care about execute with sd proc

[fiery quest]

yes

and even then

its so low on priority

[lime ruin]

Kind of

[wind hatch]

unless you have excess rage yeah

[lime ruin]

Yeah it’s low

[unreal mountain]

so is the collosus arms changes basically a buff or nerf? Practiced strikes got nerfed , anyone has numbers for ST and AOE changes

[rose ibex]

So slayer is about the same but colossus got buffed other than the -1 cleave combo?

[fiery quest]

never cast execute without sudden death

its a waste

[lime ruin]

I wish execute pve scaling was like pvp where it’s worth casting for the damage alone even if you aren’t slayer

[reef glade]

slayer small buff in st, colo alot bigger buff on aoe i think yea, -1 cleave really the only thing colo got hit hard by

[rose ibex]

Seems like it makes slayer less incentivised to press ms in aoe

[lime ruin]

But it’s low-key a dead button on colossus I hate having dead buttons

[reef glade]

but more demos should make up for it

[rose ibex]

More demos is fun

Hmmmm

[reef glade]

and the more demos makes up for losing deep wounds off cleave

should basically be the same uptime

[rose ibex]

I just hope they stay somewhat balanced between eachother where you dont feel punished for playing one over the other

[reef glade]

since demo deep wounds everything

[lime ruin]

Deep wounds benefits from stacking though you still lose damage

[unreal mountain]

is collosus ST at least gets buffed?

[rose ibex]

More pressure on bladestorm (which is easy to use anyways)

[lime ruin]

Ya

[rose ibex]

But yeah. Slight concern slayer wont cut it in m+ by comparison

Its very slight tho

[unreal mountain]

but if i read it correctly , slayers bladestorm getting buffed right?

[wind hatch]

i feel like colo will be dominant again

[rose ibex]

Yeah sounds about right

[wind hatch]

fun while it lasted

[pseudo olive]

Colossus is way cooler anyway

[rose ibex]

Slayer is probably fine... probably

In the end we'll just have to test it for ourselves when it ships

Numbers shmumbers

[unreal mountain]

i mean, 20% bladestorm buff on Onslaught is huge no? Slayers AOE gets a good buff for it

its notz that bad i guess

[wind hatch]

yeah but I think the demolish buff is quite a bit more substantial

[rose ibex]

Yeah the bs buff helps both single target and aoe

[unreal mountain]

exactly

[rose ibex]

This

[unreal mountain]

im happy to be able to play both speccs for once so lets all be happy

[minor gust]

Slayer still overall loses aoe this patch

[rose ibex]

But is it enough to give clarms decent enough single target?

[rose ibex]

Seems to be the case. Sad

Time to play slayer til the patch drops

Get a better feel for the changes

[potent notch]

might be a dumb question but why is sudden death execute a higher priority than overpower as colossus if overpower has a chance to reset MS which has so many interactions with colossus? Is it just the raw damage and Executioner Precision buff? Just seems like putting at least one charge of OP on CD before Sudden Death executes makes more sense but im sure there is a reason

[minor gust]

Slayer will still be a good spec just harder to justify between Colo if that's your thing

[lime ruin]

Chad colossus will rise