arms

[latent moss]

in actual content

its gonna be better

[pseudo olive]

Is it just more uses of demolish that’s making it better in st?

[latent moss]

mortal wounds on slam

as well

[pseudo olive]

It’s been a bit since I’ve played warrior so forgive the noob question but isn’t mortal wounds just a healing debuff, how does that contribute more single target dmg

[dark minnow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CNhT89ynQP61AKj2?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=246

[latent moss]

its a capstone at the bottom

makes ur mortal strike and cleave crits apply deep wounds

in .5 its gonna be mortal strike and slam

so we are losing deep wounds on aoe which is a lot of consistent damage

but we are instead getting more burst damage with more demolishes

[floral tide]

But don't we slam when we cleave?

[latent moss]

only prio target

[floral tide]

Ag

Ah*

[latent moss]

fob is already like

21% dps on 3t xdddd

[oblique atlas]

2 targets with sweep

[latent moss]

probably even more

cause u are consuming hs

so ure getting apex value

[maiden moat]

which trinket would you pick for arms ?

got this actuall :

[oblique atlas]

you got the best, pick something else you need

[charred brook]

I will never get gaze ive come to terms with it

Heroic and mythic didnt drop this week, no vault, im out for the next 3 bosses because our class sucks so why would they give it to me anyways

My only hope is vault...praying

Until then...I level my devourer

[vernal flame]

Have you guys tried being personality hire raiders works for me getting loot even if woya is meh in raid

[oblique atlas]

low charisma stats on spawn I am afraid

[dark minnow]

Sadge

[charred brook]

Unfortunately personality doesn't prog the bosses 🫠

[dim basalt]

His trinkets are literally worse due to ilvl

[vernal flame]

Ah shibal

[shut token]

Can someone explain to me how colossus is getting "buffed" when they nerf practiced strikes? Does the demolish change really weigh up for it?

[scarlet garnet]

Is there a reason why some pulls I get hardly any execute procs?

[dim basalt]

Melee downtime perhaps?

[spring vale]

punishment for going slayer

[scarlet garnet]

Gotta be

[dim basalt]

SD only procs on AAs, not on abilities

[scarlet garnet]

I must stand away from the boss or something

I’m so buns at this class

[dim basalt]

Or just bad rng

[spring vale]

if you use action targetting and your target dies, and you find that it doesn't switch back to an alive target, you need to switch back manually or else you won't AA at all if you're still suck on the "dead" mob

like some skills will still work fine and redirect even if your current target is dead but AA is finnicky like that (with action targetting that is)

[slender sonnet]

My raid leader loves me for reasons I’m yet to discern

But I get loot for it

[woeful dragon]

Quick question: my alt (Warrior) is at 250 GS and I can choose between tier set gloves on the mythic track or a mythic weapon with haste/mastery in the Vault.

I’m leaning towards taking the weapon to save Sparks, even if the stats aren’t perfect. A better weapon could always show up in the Vault in the coming weeks, and for now weapon ilvl is the biggest upgrade anyway, right?

[slender sonnet]

Do you have 4 set already?

[woeful dragon]

2set , gloves (tier set) on Champion track.

[latent moss]

did u craft anything yet

i assume not since u are 250 ilvl

[woeful dragon]

Nope I hold 4 the Vault

[latent moss]

i would get the weapon and craft 2 arcanoweave pieces

u should have 4 cata charges

[woeful dragon]

👍

[latent moss]

wrist cloak generally

for the arcanoweave pieces

and u can craft 1 random piece if u want to get some ilvl

[fierce thunder]

Can i get away with playin slayer arms in every dg? I'm in the 15-17 range

[latent moss]

wait no we have 8 sparks no

[latent moss]

yes

@tacit crystal bro u know whats hilarious

somehow vorasius ring was highest dps upgrade for me this vault

obv i didnt take it

but like

how

[sturdy flicker]

Is there notes somewhere I don't scene remember all the .5 shit that's happening

[dim basalt]

Was very close for me as well

[spice field]

what do you think about arms changes at 12.05 guys

[spring vale]

[uneven raft]

Hey is the set for arms just for Colossus build? I dont really understand it

[spring vale]

Colossus Smash is used by slayer as well, the set is great for both hero talents

[uneven raft]

Oh I got confused with demolish thanks xd

[sturdy flicker]

This seems like a bit of arms nerf and a fury nerf in 12.05

Where isn't st buff

[warm fog]

That’s the neat part, there isn’t

[fallen locust]

yo i have to choose between myth puzzle box and solarflare prism i simmed for dungeon slice and it says prims is about 2k better than box but i thought box is the go to for burst aoe? Am confused

[fervent cedar]

Dont sim dungeon slice

Puzzlebox is absolutely better for burst aoe but it falls behind in single target

And its annoying af to use

[fervent cedar]

Colossus about to be giga

Slayer will be slightly worse in single target because we definitely needed the single target reduction

Still waiting for those single target buffs everyone said they made design space for 🙂

[sand totem]

how will it be worse? slam applying deep wounds, if anything, is a buff

[fervent cedar]

MS no longer reaping will hurt in st, idk if the math will add up to a pure buff just because slam is applying deep wounds

[old glacier]

Ah fuck, we're going to be spamming whirlwind aren't we?

[latent moss]

slayer got buffed on st too

[mortal crag]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[uneven minnow]

What are 12.0.05 changes? I dont see them in https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-12-0-5-ptr-development-notes-for-march-19th-class-changes-and-new-demon-380874

[mortal crag]

whats our best 3rd craft angle

for ilvl i mean

i guess just sim?

[latent moss]

holy ringsa

bro got 3 rings from m+ vault

[sharp wyvern]

if you get a myth weapon its cloak

to get the embel back

[latent moss]

can just craft without embel

for ilvl

[feral breach]

Depends on if you have other options to get mythic items in the slot instead of crafting

[uneven minnow]

best crafted slot is worst stat weight -> best stat weights

you dont want lower ilvl weapon/chest/legs/head etc.

[latent moss]

@mortal crag u can add crafted items to top gear btw

plate pieces are spellbreaker's something

[buoyant cargo]

@gokkes only if you get crit/haste or crit/mastery weapon. At least for me crafted weapon 285 with crit/haste without hunt embelishment sims better than the other available weapons from m+ @289.
But you can go double arcano (wrist+cloak) and recraft weapon. This might sim better than weapon hunt embe + 1 arcano

[latent moss]

but it assumes u can craft all of them i think

[uneven minnow]

just get a mythic midnight falls axe

[latent moss]

unless im missing something

[mortal crag]

probs not

[fickle bone]

double arcanoweave better than hunt+arcano ?

[uneven minnow]

hunt is weapon only i thought

[feral breach]

Yes + trinket ofc

[fickle bone]

so im thinking about crafting hands but im not too sure if thats smart as everything else i have is very good

[uneven minnow]

I would craft belt first I think

did you raid already this week?

[limpid hornet]

is the bonus set from rings something we should aim at ? or is the gain not that much ?

[uneven minnow]

its worse than midnight falls + occlusion of the void from what I've seen

but other than that, i think it's 2nd place

[uneven minnow]

How do you get champ track amani neck? renown ?

[jovial hare]

renown like 7 or 8
have to do an abundance first but u choose between a verse mast or crit haste neck as a reward

[uneven minnow]

yeah I just got the quest by accident doing the weekly xd

well I guess it's a free DE since I don't think it's beating voidsong with gloves

[hybrid needle]

So.. Arms or Fury gloves xD

[ionic mica]

surely both would take voidclaw

[thick kelp]

nop

[uneven minnow]

voidclaw aren't that good

they just work to proc voidsong

arms wants embergrove so pick what u want dracz

[calm hollow]

tough choice, cata chest or neck

neck is 160 dps loss because ring set + voidclaw, but is kinda huge in stats

[hybrid needle]

sim says voidclaw ST, Embergrove AoE. Interesting

[uneven minnow]

are you doing heroic/myth prog? If so choose the one that's going to benefit you the most for the bosses you have left

[calm hollow]

@thick kelp what do you think? should i go for long term neck? since eternal voidsong chain is not bis, or should i pick chest?

[uneven minnow]

how much is eternal voidsong not bis by though

[thick kelp]

reclear myffic first

chest from chim

[calm hollow]

yea chest is easy to get

[uneven minnow]

or just spend 500k or however much on a mythic boe chest

and catalyze it

[calm hollow]

1 dk needs it in my split

[uneven minnow]

(or wait for next week when we get the upgrade thingamabob)

[hybrid needle]

Not yet. Ill just take the crit gloves ig

[calm hollow]

[uneven minnow]

simply pull yourself up by your bootstraps

hero boots were only 170k for the crit/haste ones, I slurped

[calm hollow]

from crest save perspective its neck tho

i just dont like picking not dps gains feels weird

[uneven minnow]

it's a dps gain eventually

[high egret]

quick question, does arms currently sim lower but perform higher? cause i cant get my sims to tell me to go arms but i mean, warcraftlogs says its on top out of the 2

[uneven minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/right-over-there-albert-lin-ahmad-marafi-national-geographic-lost-cities-with-albert-lin-gif-23580565

[calm hollow]

in aoe its 100% a gain

[uneven minnow]

are you simming against st alone? because arms is best doing it's best damage in the fights with cleave

[high egret]

yeah i was checking single target

[uneven minnow]

then yeah, arms will lose out to fury some

but theres 3? cleave fights this tier

https://tenor.com/view/yummy-ice-cream-spongebob-lewd-licking-gif-17085040

arms warriors pressing sweeping strikes ^

[high egret]

but i mean it was like 86k to 88k i think

[uneven minnow]

fury warriors can only imagine

[sharp wyvern]

arms is ahead on the important bosses in voidspire

[high egret]

so its kinda close even in that for me plus my weapon has high mastery low vers :^)

myth track tho so

been wanting to go arms since i played it in s1 tww but then fury came out on top and i played evoker in s2 and tanked in s3

[sharp wyvern]

fury in S2

[high egret]

yeah didnt

lmao

devastation was fun

[high egret]

xd

[sharp wyvern]

check boss dmg for dragons

its all pad

[uneven minnow]

oh yeah right cant trust just damage

[high egret]

yeah its bladestorm and odyn pad, what im doing too lmao

[sharp wyvern]

nvm didnt see it was heroic

[rare kite]

nuh uh, i did 51% of damage to dragons. no padding here

[high egret]

yuh but even then

[uneven minnow]

heroic + 75% for average player stats

[naive steeple]

Does anyone know if there's a craftable level 285 cape? If so, what's its name?

[high egret]

fair and balanced

[sharp wyvern]

cause you played arms

[sharp wyvern]

after my guild had a 0.2% wipe i went slayer and went for boss dmg too

[uneven minnow]

mythic 75% arms is tied for fury on 2 target + adds

[minor gust]

Always play what you wanna play performance differences rarely ever gonna matter

[uneven minnow]

^

[naive steeple]

Thaaanncks

[uneven minnow]

unless you're in top 100ish mythic guilds

then you will play what is best for the strategy your group is implementing

[sharp wyvern]

demolish abusers

[high egret]

yeah i know, just feels bad to have lesser chances of pumping just because of blizzard things

[sharp wyvern]

[uneven minnow]

I haven't even looked at mythic bosses yet, I started last thursday and joined a group; did full heroic clear and now i'm starting to catchup in ilvl (271)

[high egret]

ànd i actually enjoy both

[minor gust]

If you are good at the spec and game you will pump regardless.

[uneven minnow]

blizz should make mini whirlwind a 100% proc chance off all attacks and auto attacks

very unfair they don't

[sharp wyvern]

mythic dragons is PvP cause everyone tries to snipe those little adds for pad
its disgusting

[high egret]

having whirlwind and rend separate is such a rotation killer when you play slayer

[uneven minnow]

isn't there a poll to remove all the pad from wclogs

[lean geode]

I thought I was ass at arms and had bad arms gear, but I'm top 50 ASP for both overall dam and boss dam after raid last night

[sharp wyvern]

hasnt concluded afaik

[uneven minnow]

(I put yes to all 4)

[uneven minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/big-boy-pants-gif-3795736135343994910

[minor gust]

That's because there's only like a 100 arms players raiding. Everytime I kill a mythic boss there's less than 100 other arms parses

[high egret]

i think

[sharp wyvern]

top 20 with a green parse

[lean geode]

Me when I have rank 3 chimaerus (out of 4 logs)

[high egret]

i think im recrafting my gear to crit haste and going arms

🙂

[minor gust]

You don't have to recraft but you can

[sharp wyvern]

just need to change rings and neck to fit the stats

everywhere else ilvl is kinda better

[high egret]

got over 700 mastery and less than 400 crit rn

[uneven minnow]

when you start 3 weeks late and do heroic in 252 ilvl gear 🙃

[high egret]

lmao

[high egret]

so i think i will

[sharp wyvern]

since its heroic you still beat hundreds of players with that

[high egret]

weapon has no haste or crit either

[uneven minnow]

I've gained 4 set + 17 ilvl since my last kill logged (beloren) so I'm hoping to do a bit better this week

[thick kelp]

Filter by ilvl and smile

[olive nest]

@lean geode
xdd need more arms noobers to inflate me to orange

[lean geode]

(I died on salhadaar because I was watching the hornets/heat game go into double overtime)

can't wait for dragons to be excluded tho fuck that fight

I have top 10 boss dam logs on both arms and fury, and they're blue overall

[minor gust]

I'm still struggling to get a good pull on voarsius

[proven veldt]

vorasius parses very sensitive to people quickly stacking adds together

[minor gust]

Adds barely live for most people I can get a good one pure ST just need some good RNG

[lean geode]

The secret is to have your RL say "fuck it just kill the adds on top of boss"

[proven veldt]

WCL needs a "Coby White Ruined This Pull" indicator

[minor gust]

True I try to pad as much as I can when we're ignoring adds and burning boss xD

[proven veldt]

is warrior screwed for chimaerus parses if they're in group 2?

[tawdry sphinx]

Arms feels like double the work to do half the damage other specs are doing on most fights it's getting frustrating

[lean geode]

For overall yes, for boss dam no

[proven veldt]

yea

I think this will change eventually if people get faster kills

[lean geode]

I got a 94 overall, rank 3 boss dam in group 2 last night

[proven veldt]

but right now most people get one add phase in p2, so only group 1 gets to hit adds an extra time

[sharp wyvern]

can someone explain why the fuck did they think it was a good idea to put an anoying sound onto the trinket EVERYBODY is gonna use

[nova marsh]

Which trinket?

[sharp wyvern]

gaze

[olive nest]

@minor gust decided not to waste my time with Colo and did boss damage instead hehe ez 100 snipe 😝

[minor gust]

[dim basalt]

Why do people still only do 140k in a +17 pit

What is this

[minor gust]

Soon Colo will have some better boss dmg in .5

[olive nest]

And ye you’re owning bro I don’t get to worry about parse right now Larry goes ape shit when we try to parse during reclear if it costs us wipes (it totally does because we’re full of log champs on this team lmao)

Like salad bar I waste so much cs window by having to charge the orbs

😭

[minor gust]

Not even a parse thing it's just strictly better for tanks to be moving boss with orbs so melee can cleave

Those orbs are gonna die a lot faster if melee is able to cleave on em

[olive nest]

They try to as best they can

[minor gust]

Don't worry I had to whip mine

Prog was a mess till the end

When they finally got the movements down and I could hit orbs most of the time while hitting boss

Powerful sweep broad goes hard

[olive nest]

Bro sweep owns on that boss when done right

I mean you know! XD

[minor gust]

Imagine how awful sweep would be if it was based off your target and not your character

Would be so useless on saladbar lmao

[olive nest]

Oh dude it would be garbage

[minor gust]

Also I genuinely love the charge system. Really love how it essentially lets me confirm when I'm hitting 2 targets

On duration I was always unsure at times

[red relic]

this any good for arms?

[spring vale]

I mean its alright

better than a lot of delve trinkets thats for sure

[red relic]

like is it gonna outperform a champ track puzzle box in m+ for example?

[thorn stream]

Amen

[spring vale]

no shot but you also don't have to use puzzlebox :D

[red relic]

true

[minor gust]

Nooooo you can't make a decision based on fun and enjoyment you have to min max every second of the game!

[red relic]

but my dps shakes fist

[sturdy flicker]

Warrior seems to be trending down on wcl stats I don't like that lol

[minor gust]

You will totally never parse higher than gray if you unequip puzzlebox!

[red relic]

i do that just fine with puzzle box thank you very much

[dim basalt]

laughs in Guidon

[leaden garnet]

That's such a weird question to ask

You use the sim to inform the gear you use and to give you a benchmark for DPS to strive for, you aren't gaming to make the sim as big as possible

[olive nest]

@lean geode broke 90k this week
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hvybpuvcBYTV7PcUrUNt7Y

[sturdy flicker]

lol

[latent moss]

281 hoooly

[olive nest]

Totally spooned this tier yet again 😎

[latent moss]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8QGwXyVc4gRiBRpUurdTJW

[olive nest]

Idek how

[latent moss]

hooly im close or what

dont look legs xdd

[olive nest]

You make up for the lack of ilvl with skill

So it’s all good lmao

[latent moss]

i might or might not regret

this decision later

but idk i crafted legs cause hero legs wont drop and who cares

if i get unlucky or lucky ig and get them next vault

it is what it is

couldve gotten a weapon week 1 and technically wasted 2 sparks

but who cares

[wind hatch]

getting myth legs in vault as only good option next week gg

[latent moss]

vodoo gg

i got voodoo'd

xeos curse

[olive nest]

Nah it’s not bad to have crafted legs early

Crests are slow this tier anyway that was solid power gain

[latent moss]

i went up like

5ilvls

today xd

[olive nest]

Can fix that later

[latent moss]

from 274 to 279

[minor gust]

You getting legs in vault for sure

Like not even a question

[latent moss]

nah bro im getting gaze or heart on myth

or vorasius ring

[olive nest]

He just bumps them to max for 20 crests and loses two sparks

No big deal at all

[latent moss]

bro that ring is outsimming everything apart from heart

1 spark

if i get a weapon i just recraft them with arcano

idk i thought about the craft and it seems relatively risk free

apart from getting legs in vault but even then i dont think it matters

[olive nest]

I have weapon in bags right now and it’s a dps loss to spend 20 crests on them and craft 259 wrists with a second Arcano

Wcyd

[latent moss]

need 285 wrists...

hunt is insane tho

[olive nest]

Next week for sure right

[latent moss]

11 magisters for cracked keystone (forgot to do it earlier)

[olive nest]

20 crests weapon 80 crests wrist Arcano

[olive nest]

Gg

[latent moss]

powerful

btw these guys were all 279+

[minor gust]

Don't ask him what his myth hands used to be before he catalyst

[latent moss]

xdd

[olive nest]

Oh no don’t tell me he cata the seat gloves

😭

[latent moss]

bro they are lowk barely a dps increase

its like 0.2% on st

and -0.5% on aoe

same reason im not running np ring set

[uneven minnow]

seat gloves are only beneficial if you have voidsong imo...

[minor gust]

Based st gain

[uneven minnow]

haste is more consistent rage

[latent moss]

haste has nothing to do with rage

[uneven minnow]

doesn't it affect base auto timer?

😕

[latent moss]

yes but it also affects ur gcd

u generate faster and spend faster

crit affects rage gen due to seasoned soldier

[uneven minnow]

so you're saying my standing still doing nothing time is decreased

[uneven minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/spicy-seasoning-special-touch-signature-gif-15902626

season that soldier

[latent moss]

on gang

[latent moss]

bro u dont get it

i had to craft legs

i ran like

30+ keys that drop legs

0 drops

1 11 nexus poitn on dk insta drops

[uneven minnow]

should've just 'acquired' a 5 man plate stack smh

[olive nest]

Hollyy brain thought just now!!
I bet heroic wrists arcano + 20 crests on weapon + 80 crests spread across helm/belt/shoulders is my biggest gain next week

Ez

[reef prairie]

Is the ring 2set pulling mobs out of combat?

[shy dew]

hi guys, in 12.0.5 in general we got a buff or nerf at colossus i mean in %

[olive nest]

Depends on vault

[reef prairie]

I was doing a key and targeted a pack and something just shot it and pulled it for no reason

[latent moss]

i had to transmute champ crests to get hero crests btw

to upgrade my gear

[olive nest]

I did the same shit I’m to lazy to go out of my way for crests lol

I went all the way from adventure vet champ hero this week

Ez

And bought an endeavor

Xdd

[latent moss]

ye i mean no other way to get hero crests

u have to raid or cap myth through m+

[uneven minnow]

bought a what now

[sacred zodiac]

not had that yet

[olive nest]

Whatever the housing shit is idek what it’s called

[reef prairie]

I wish I had a clip of it

From my pov

[terse osprey]

I kinda wish arms relied on bleeds more

or had more cool bleed abilities

[shy dew]

it would had if they didn' t nerfed deep wounds 30%

[dire hinge]

we had that for a while, arms ebbs and flows between bleed, buff windows, and spell damage. Right now we're in spell damage land.

[latent moss]

cleave damage land

[dire hinge]

📈

[sacred zodiac]

die bleed arms die

[marsh forge]

i wish arms and fury had the same secondary stat prio

[shy dew]

i personally liked a lot more when deep wounds did damage, bladestorm/ravager and even overpower was great

[marsh forge]

i’m trying to swap from fury but learning it is so weird for me

[terse osprey]

Accurate af

[shy dew]

now is just 1 skill

[terse osprey]

that too lol

[shy dew]

was perfect

[dire hinge]

yeah, the issue with bleeds is you'll do zero damage if mobs get deleted 🫗
if the ret pally presses Hammer of Light once you'll do zero dps bc you got 2 ticks off of your bleeds

[latent moss]

1 cleave too many chatting

[latent moss]

need sudden demise passive from assa

[dire hinge]

after .5 maybe, but right now you do 4 casts

[sacred zodiac]

you won't realistically feel a difference between stat distributions

[dire hinge]

3 free + 1 natty

[latent moss]

ye

was talking .5

[shy dew]

ravager dmg is dogshit liked so much when it was before

now its just useful to buff cleave

[latent moss]

no demolish emote...

[minor gust]

Have you done a key that can drop legs yet since crafting? One is def gonna drop now

[dire hinge]

yeah Ravager just a cleave buff in a tenchcoat

[latent moss]

ye did a magisters 11

[sacred zodiac]

ravager dealing damage sucks ass

[latent moss]

didnt drop

xdd

[midnight mural]

💥 (give us demolish icon had to use siegebreaker)

[shy dew]

i did almost 53 runs to get a legs dude

[latent moss]

same

[shy dew]

and i'm not even joking

[latent moss]

didnt get them yet

crafted them at 285

fuck it we ball

[dire hinge]

low key Ravager should just be a passive that Avatar causes, but it's seen as a Bladestorm alternative, so it sticks around despite being a hollowed out shell of an ability

[minor gust]

Me when

Me playing slayer

Not getting procs

[spring vale]

Reap the storm more like rip the storm

[dire hinge]

arms should get a grappling ability where we sheath our sword and give them a big ole hug with our massive arms and temporarily charm the target

[lean geode]

I'm 91k as thane, only 89k as slarms

Got a nice gear injection last night

(ingame)

[scenic cedar]

is good idea sim myslf into Dungeon Slice or i should pick another module?
coz my arms gear have -8 k sims vs my fury gear. so mb i should try another mode?

[nova marsh]

Sim patchwreck st 5 minutes

Its the most accurate usually

[dire hinge]

yeah, Dungeon Slice is not currently maintained, so just sim single target or 5-target and make some educated guesses between the two options

[scenic cedar]

i dont wanna check ST. I see that Arms is performing much better in Mythic+ according to Warcraft Logs, but I can't seem to prove it in my sims.

[dire hinge]

Arms is a funnel spec now, meaning you do more single target damage as long as you have multiple targets to hit.

So you can sim 5target, but i promise 1target is still perfectly fine as far as determining upgrades

[scenic cedar]

but 1 target it is not m+, right?

[marsh forge]

okay so i just shouldn’t worry about it and crutch my mediocre performance on substats this is good to know

i will just play better

[fresh spire]

[pulsar frost]

1real

[dire hinge]

Arms has been redesigned in a way where you dont have to worry much about AoE vs Single Target sims. Our bleeds don't do that much damage, and our mastery has been redesigned so that it doesn't scale bleed damage any more.

In the past, simming AoE was useful to see if adding Mastery was more worthwhile since you'd bleed the whole pack (and mastery scaled your bleeds), but with Midnight mastery just scales our flat damage as long as you use a 2handed weapon, so it's not as impactful.

[sacred zodiac]

your time usage is infinitely more efficiently spent by doing another key and learning from it than sitting there and malding about stats

[fresh spire]

fixed it

[dire hinge]

Also true

[sacred zodiac]

+1 me again and discover your final shape

[lean geode]

(exploded)

[pulsar frost]

woahh playing the game and not looking at sims and numbers? no way poggers

[marsh forge]

ty

[sacred zodiac]

someone post that both is good gif

[marsh forge]

from what i understand it’s ok to use colo smash without another cd but don’t use other cds without colo smash is that correct?

[pulsar frost]

sad theres no pogger emote

[sterile prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/sometimes-maybe-good-maybe-shit-gif-15610659

close enough

[sacred zodiac]

you do have access to

[lean geode]

[pulsar frost]

not the same

[lean geode]

spoinger can I get a lore dump on

[pulsar frost]

i want the green one with the big ass mouth and stuff

[sacred zodiac]

its

[sterile prairie]

its not my fault i cant read

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892045651033092096/1484675092322713690/kush_3.gif

[sacred zodiac]

you think being yellow gives you access to lore

[dire hinge]

that's correct. CS is your checkpoint for other major cooldowns.
You can use CS alone.
You should use other major CDs if CS is applied to your target.
You should not use other major CDs without CS.

[minor gust]

Just proc it's that easy

[marsh forge]

ty

then i just need to dial in the rotation and some other niche things

[scenic cedar]

So, are you saying that to get the full picture when comparing Fury and Arms for M+ in sim, I should compare both specs on Patchwerk ST? Or did I get you wrong? :DD

[sterile prairie]

is there a world i'd use puzzle box over ancient hunger / gaze in m+?

[tacit crystal]

cluegi

[pulsar frost]

box good in big packs but eh

[tacit crystal]

critcake be doing this differently

[sterile prairie]

still havent decided yet

[dire hinge]

I'd recommend pausing and questioning what you're trying to accomplish. Are you trying to find out if your character is currently better as Fury or Arms for M+? Or are you trying to see which one is better (overall)?

[pulsar frost]

sim but probably box

[minor gust]

Critcake clearly washed and clueless for not following sim for a very minor DPS gain

[pulsar frost]

i dislike box for arms personally, i find it fine for fury

[minor gust]

[sterile prairie]

was thinking of taking tier legs and crafting cape initially

dont know if im a huge fan of box in arms

[dire hinge]

box is so good

weird to get used to at first, but gives you basically a 20% damage amp for 20 seconds. Imagine being able to a double Avatar buff basically.

[midnight mural]

I like not-box for peace of mind

[pulsar frost]

i just keep forgetting to click it into AOE packs on arms, idk why but i just do, fury i do it perfectly fine

if only the box wasnt a hard cast and usable while moving man

[sterile prairie]

would you takee it over hero gaze or hero heart?

[pulsar frost]

its nice pairing with gaze, idk about heart tho

[sterile prairie]

think i just need to get used to the idea of pressing the damn thing

[dire hinge]

i mostly do M+ so yes personally, but sims will give you the answer if you do more raid

[sterile prairie]

yeah i dont raid, im strictly m+ on this guy

[dire hinge]

it goes crazy on M+

slapped 1Mdps briefly in a key with it

feels so good

[marsh forge]

since i’ve never played arms before i’ve been playing a bit of slayer and a bit of colo, is it worth to just commit to colo even if it’s harder since from what i understand it’s the better hero spec?

[rose ibex]

Wretched box

[sterile prairie]

gonna grab box and pair it with gaze

[rose ibex]

Do not trust the box

[dire hinge]

both are fine, you can do slayer in all content up to the highest level

[rose ibex]

The box is filled with sadness and misery

[pulsar frost]

just try both, dont have to hard commit, its kidna the same thing, just ogtta learn the rotations and be fine

colo hits AOE a lot harder and is geteting a buf next week tho

[dire hinge]

people whine about box but it's just Demolish without an upfront damage output. You stand, you channel, you pump.

[pulsar frost]

which should come on top more so then slayer excluding ST without funnel

[marsh forge]

colo buff .. i will have to commit then

[pulsar frost]

why hard commit tho

can just play both whenever

its the smae playstyle for most part

[unreal river]

is the crafted trinket bait? I have a 266 plume which is my last champion piece, and my only chance at gaze/voras trinket is from vault as guild will just give them to the higher dps classes

[pulsar frost]

some keys slayer feels good, espically so with random pug tanks

[pulsar frost]

i wouldnt ever craft a trinket unless theyre just cracked

just farm keys for the dungeon trinks

[rose ibex]

I dislike i cant lazily bind it to avatar or something

[pulsar frost]

its funny tho, solarfiare kinda sims better then box for me

[marsh forge]

u just gotta prepop it before pull in m+ sometimes you’ll lose 2 seconds of the buff but not uptime

it’s what i do on fury most of the time

[minor gust]

You could back in DF when puzzlebox came out!

Arms only tech

[rose ibex]

2s cast time now

The sadness and misery is even stronger within the box

[uneven minnow]

am I good to just take the bis list off wowhead and use it for my wowaudit

[minor gust]

Nah it always had cast time but we had BS cast on ava which let us cast puzzlebox while in bladestorm

[rose ibex]

Woah

Thats cooooool

[unreal river]

yea crafted trink sims better than the rest of the dungeon trinkets at hero max

[rose ibex]

Too bad its gone

[unreal river]

i got shard/plume rn

[minor gust]

Double bladestorm died with slayer

[pulsar frost]

what even is the craft trinkets

[unreal river]

algethar is dog dog i will never use that

[minor gust]

Rip

[dire hinge]

how melee whines when they feel 1% of a caster's pain being asked to channel for 2 sec to do more damage

[uneven minnow]

casters deserve it

[unreal river]

caster is far away

melee is not

[dire hinge]

real, they should bring back spell fizzle as long as Parry exists

[rose ibex]

Anyways, puzzlebox is lame and I hate it and I hope it burns in the fires of a thousand hells

[unreal river]

2 second in melee is more dangerous than 2 seconds in caster range

[daring copper]

Hey warriors! I was lucky enough to get my first mythic track piece in the vault. It's a 2h. I am in full hero gear. Because I will be losing my only crafted piece (wep) embellishment, which piece should I craft next? Necklace embellishment seems nice. Thoughts?

[dire hinge]

Right, sorry, to be clear this is a joke

[uneven minnow]

bring back hit, but just for casters

[uneven minnow]

lowest stat priority items are best crafteds if you're maxing out the items otherwise

[dire hinge]

we have a section in the discord for crafting recommendations here:
#1237307555961634826 message

[unreal river]

passive chance to grant 205 of all the secondaries

[pulsar frost]

whats the name of trink

[rose ibex]

I think its perfect for warlocks who play with like 4 buttons

[neon shale]

Why does arms feel so GAY to play

[minor gust]

With the loss of WAs and other shit I can no longer clearly see parries so I've been living in bliss not noticing

[dire hinge]

oh i see em still

[rose ibex]

Ting ting ting

[thick kelp]

Nothing tilts me more than a ting on my CS global

[dire hinge]

so great when fear cone come out on dragons and it targets a ranged behind me -> Parry

[rose ibex]

Die by the sword

I am the tank now

[minor gust]

Only one I notice is when execute parries and I don't get an EP stack

[rose ibex]

Wait you can parry that?

[unreal river]

darkmoon dominion hunt

[dire hinge]

no, when the boss faces you he parries your attacks. You can't always control where the boss faces, so you just get RNG parried sometimes due to mechanics

[rose ibex]

How does a dragon parry you?

Everything the dragon uses to fight is dragon

[dire hinge]

if the boss faces you, all of your melee abilities have a chance to be parried

[unreal river]

fangs and nails

how does an elemental parry you

or a slime

[rose ibex]

How can it block you with dragon when you attack dragon?

[dire hinge]

how do we make a creature of stone bleed

[pulsar frost]

oh its the enchantment but as a trinket, i read its based on creature you hit tho, sounds like it can be kinda bad no?

[olive nest]

Let’s gooo he’s Yyuge

[rose ibex]

Sheer will

[unreal river]

classic makes more sense

cant bleed elemental

throw fire on fire guy? immune

[rose ibex]

You put blood in it. Duh

[unreal river]

only bad stat is versa ig

[rose ibex]

How are you guys fighting your stone creatures?

[unreal river]

im at 41% crit 21% haste

[pulsar frost]

its based on creatures type tho

[unreal river]

orc smash

[dire hinge]

speaking of which, this seems like a great time to remind folks that Parry Haste still exists for cursed rage-gen strategies

[rose ibex]

Not filling them with blood first? How will you get rend to work!?

[dire hinge]

taunt boss -> DBTS -> parry attacks -> gain Parry Haste (auto attack faster and get more rage gen)

[rose ibex]

What dat

[unreal river]

if the boss parries you his next swing comes faster

same works for you

if you parry your swing timer gets 0. something shorter

[rose ibex]

Last time I taunted a boss off my tank he almost had a heart attack

Then I was greatly shamed

[barren void]

Do we have our 3rd craft this week if we crafted 2h wep + wrist?

[dire hinge]

you can do some fun spell refelct stuff with taunts in dungeons, but yeah definitely coordinate with your tank

[minor gust]

Also a reminder the SD and AM bug still exists and now also bugged with avatar not just CS

[rose ibex]

Biz spell reflecting ick's death bolt for over 1 mil damage....

[minor gust]

Good shit watching CS and AVA CD go up

[dire hinge]

yuppers

[barren void]

Time for a cape craft then

[neon shale]

Is 3rd craft embellished ? I never got that far

[pulsar frost]

no

[rose ibex]

I make cape. Myth weapon arrived just in time

[unreal river]

2 embellishmentrs maxed

[pulsar frost]

i wish my myth weapon have crit instead of verse man

the mastery part is fine since i play fury but man verse is garbo

[neon shale]

Oki time to craft two pieces then I skipped wrists

[dire hinge]

only swap to Arcanoweave on your 3rd craft if you replace your embelished crafted weapon with a max Myth one.

can always sim tho to see

[unreal river]

i got 3 of the pieces i alreasdy had myth of

[neon shale]

Had a myth weep in vault and maxed out it simmed slightly less

So ima craft wrist cape i suppose

[dire hinge]

for sure, had the same issue with mine in vault as well. There's some weapons that are better than the crafted ones, so once that drops you swap

[neon shale]

Zugerstood

[thick kelp]

waiting

[minor gust]

What boss you guys progging rn?

[thick kelp]

Pawadins

[minor gust]

Huge we got 1 day on pallys so far rn. Hopefully play well and kill this week

[sacred zodiac]

dibs

[dense sphinx]

u can just recraft weap to remove embellish

[slender sonnet]

I need more crit

[sweet lark]

I will likely do that to have embellish on arms and fury

[limpid hornet]

what would u guys pick ? Sims say Ring

[minor gust]

Not at 0% vers gg

[slender sonnet]

ring, neck and gloves give vers

gg

and cloak

gg

[minor gust]

Two jewelry with vers gg

[slender sonnet]

vers is good no

just flat dmg increase

[minor gust]

Just better value right now from the other 3

[slender sonnet]

fair

[sacred zodiac]

vers poopy

[minor gust]

Per point

[noble totem]

Why are the rotation guides and openers so different between the maxroll website and wowhead/icy veins?!? Which one is correct? Thanks fellow zug zuggers

[minor gust]

Maxroll made by the goat Revvez and IV + wowhead made by Archi all 3 are correct

[dire hinge]

Right, but the Hunt embelishment is stronger than Arcanoweave.
There'd be no point in removing your weapon embellishment (for Arms) unless you get a better weapon to replace it in the first place

[sacred zodiac]

maxroll is probably a bit outdated

[minor gust]

Yeah

[dire hinge]

if you show us what's different we might be able to help clarify more directly 🙂

[minor gust]

Idk how often Revvez would update

[noble totem]

How can they both be right when they are both different from one another? Maxroll ST opener is different then wowhead/icy-veins opener for slayer

[minor gust]

Share what's different about them

My guess it's about rend which legit barely matters for slayer

[wide apex]

as long as ur opener isn't nonsense it barely matters over the duration of a fight

[dire hinge]

WoWHead: Skip rend, go right into BS
MaxRoll: Do Rend, and send MS before BS

[tepid citrus]

They both kinda get you to the same result. Shit ST dps.

[dire hinge]

wowhead's is technically accurate based on the Sim, but smfc is correct where it doesn't super matter tbh.

might see tens of dps one way or the other

[minor gust]

revvez also does his own sim too

[nova marsh]

One is slayer

[noble totem]

Sorry working from my phone

[nova marsh]

one is colo

[dire hinge]

all good! (also both are slayer)

[noble totem]

Top is slayer for icy veins

[tepid citrus]

I'm guessing you MS for proc

[nova marsh]

Oh

the one you showed had ravager and demo

Sorry it cut off on mobile

[noble totem]

Both are openers for slayer and colossus 😂 all good

[dire hinge]

we did the math on Rend and it basically comes out equal or lower than worrying about it later.
You're welcome to rend on opener, or not, for Single Target it deeply doesn't matter
You absolutely want to start with Rend for AoE though

[minor gust]

Nah proc doesn't matter it's to get Ms on Cd while in BS.

Arms been doing that for a long time

[noble totem]

Thank you

[dire hinge]

of course!

[noble totem]

Thanks for the information, happy zug zugging

[tepid citrus]

I prefer to rend early and miss half the pack.

and then apply my 2nd rend when the pack has been obliterated by a DK

[noble totem]

Zug zugging *

[minor gust]

Zig zigging

[dire hinge]

tomato/potato

[nova marsh]

First 14 ever

[minor gust]

Press buttons kick spells dodge circles

[nova marsh]

Time to get this shit done

and

It's just bricked

Omega bricked

DOUBBLE BRICK MAN

[stable fiber]

might get to play arms on l'ura

gulp

[devout pewter]

Hm, Cloak vs Weapon? Already got Bracers, but not sure for the second, and apparently Weapon sims a bit better ... decisions decisions...

[minor gust]

[stable fiber]

its arms or dk or bench

[minor gust]

You guys about to start progging in it soon?

[stable fiber]

already did yesterday

thinking about removing rogue though

for war dps then switch pwar to bdk

[minor gust]

Gg rogues

[stable fiber]

or remove rogue for 3 unhoyl dk

[minor gust]

Extra bdk would help things be consistent

[nova marsh]

3 udk would go crazy

[stable fiber]

i mean

most comps rn are all those scenarios listed above

some guilds can get away with 2 unholy dk

then no bdk

arms is suprisingly common on this boss currently

checked like top 20 and i think i saw it 3-4 times?

ofc you are competing with the rogue

[minor gust]

I haven't looked much into Lura yet because we are on paladins right now so gonna be a bit still before we get there

[stable fiber]

think you end up playing colossus on l'ura when you get to it

im not sure what to do right now though

need to check more logs

its certainly not colossus currently

[minor gust]

Colo really needs the .5 buffs

[nova marsh]

Next week

we all go colo

[minor gust]

Not for every fight no but I can kinda see Colo on saladbar and maybe just maybe Cosmo depending how much 2T you can get on p2 which is hard

[nova marsh]

please kill me

my luck with lust pull

on aa

so bad

[rare kite]

idk slayer big benefit from the big orb if pulled close to boss

[minor gust]

So does colo

Colo has the far better 2T

[rare kite]

hmhh maybe, it is a fuckton of cdr

[nova marsh]

Colo 2t is actually insane

even pre cdr buff

[minor gust]

Later on too with 10+ orbs you can pad demos on the lil guys

[shut token]

why does everyone say that colossus is getting buffed when they nerf practiced strikes (Mortal strike and slam damage)

[nova marsh]

because CDR on demo

[dire hinge]

Colossal Might is going from 2sec cooldown per stack to 5sec cooldown per stack

[nova marsh]

going from 2 to 5

Is WAYYY more impactful then practiced strikes

[shut token]

ah so that weighs up for the lesser mortal strike damage?

[dire hinge]

over a 100% increase in cooldown rate, gonna be firing that shit off every like 20 seconds 😂

[nova marsh]

By a lot yes

Keep in mind

in just 2 targ

Demo could end up with a 15 second cd assuming good uptime

That's not even full aoe with cleave

[thick kelp]

in bis gear sim hits consistent 15s cd on demo in 2T

[nova marsh]

also out of curiousity

how stupid is it in full aoe with cleave?

[thick kelp]

10-12seconds

sim sends at 5s->17->30

[shrewd lodge]

guys, quick question. heroic gaze or myth shoulder (wont kill mythic chim any time soon and didnt get gaze hc this week)
mainly play arms in m+

[nova marsh]

Sigh

I swear to actual fuck these tanks

[shut token]

Do you think colossus could do decent aoe even in single target spec with the more frequent demolishes?

[nova marsh]

...

I mean

Colo isn't really an ST spec rn

-very loaded into aoe

[minor gust]

It's still gonna do less than slayer the gap is still there. But what matters is when at 2nd target gets added in

And in m+ spec you will do more of course than live. And it will be easier to play for the noobs

[shut token]

so with 2 targets it will do alright aoe?

[minor gust]

Oh I read your question wrong

Yeah demolish will still carry aoe for the pad moments

Cleave is also ez to grab if needed

[hybrid canopy]

hi arms woyers

may I ask some questions

[minor gust]

Don't gotta ask to ask a question

[hybrid canopy]

ye fair sorry lol

arms is crit/haste right

mainly

cause I don't have a lot of crit atm in fury gear but I wanna try arms in m+

[minor gust]

Generally yes but I gotta give you the obligatory answer all gear questions by simming

[hybrid canopy]

also valid

just was curious

[minor gust]

You will be fine in fury gear swap out rings and neck for whatever Crit you can find. Pop a Crit flask and you are more than fine to play arms

[hybrid canopy]

gotcha

is wowhead good for arms guide stuff?

or do I use icy veins like prot

[nova marsh]

Oh hi mr.dwarf

[minor gust]

For DPS warriors wowhead and IV are written by the same person

So both are good

[hybrid canopy]

hiya

[hybrid canopy]

alr cool ty

how's slayer vs colossus

out of curiosity

[minor gust]

Currently both are very good in M+ it's genuinely pick what is more fun to you

[hybrid canopy]

gotcha, ty

is arms difficult at all to play if I haven't played it for years lmao

or is it very unga bunga

[sacred zodiac]

nah its pretty piss

[rare kite]

lowkey easier than fury atm

[minor gust]

Slayer is very straightforward to play. Nice and comfy Colo gets a bit more confusing mainly in ST

[sacred zodiac]

every spec is pretty piss

[hybrid canopy]

I figured it was piss

but just was curious

[sacred zodiac]

the real difficulty comes from clicking a dps spec that gets brought to raid on character selection

[hybrid canopy]

true

xdd

[minor gust]

Just play with people who can't afford to sit you

[hybrid canopy]

[torn minnow]

wtf is the name of the crafter cloack, adherent silken shroud only can get upgraded with hero crest in sims

[latent moss]

slayer is very easy colo can be confusing for new players

colo takes a bit to get used to

[hybrid canopy]

noted

[latent moss]

main rule with colo is to never send anything without cs+demolish

and never hold cs+demolish

avatar and ravager align every 3 minutes assuming ure always in combat which u arent

so they align when they align but u dont want to force it or try to make them align

[torn minnow]

is there a mythic crafted cloack even or its just neck/belt

[minor gust]

Yes you can craft a mythic cloak

Just look for the cloak that can have a spark in it

Idk the name

[torn minnow]

adherent silken shroud looks to be 272 max

so idk what cloack you are thinking about

[minor gust]

If you are trying to sim make sure your crests are maxed out

[coarse ore]

285

[minor gust]

Your Character likely doesn't have the crests so top gear grays it out

Click max out crests up top

[rare kite]

click the max crests and sparks button thing

[torn minnow]

ye its all maxed out

usually it shows you can upgrade it but grey out if you dont have the crests too

[rare kite]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-gif-24248233

[torn minnow]

zoomed out literally

[minor gust]

Yeah that's weird no it usually has it grayed out

But you don't have the option at all

[wind hatch]

just add one at 285

[rare kite]

wtff, what if you just type the ilvl manually

[minor gust]

Try retypeing it in and set the ilvl to 285

[torn minnow]

aah

smart ones i had to type manually ye

ty

[latent moss]

weird

u shouldnt have to idk

[olive nest]

my 2 cents is that I would not pick a heroic item from vault

[mortal crag]

#showtooltip Light's Potential
/use Fleeting Light's Potential
/use Light's Potential

would this work

[sacred zodiac]

#showtooltip
/use item:245898
/use item:245897
/use item:241308
/use item:241309

[olive nest]

lol hidden potion of recklessness

[nova marsh]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/holy-paladins-getting-buffed-class-tuning-with-patch-12-0-5-next-week-381242?utm_source=discord-webhook guys isnt pres like

The worst healer rn

[vast helm]

healers tuning first

[stable fiber]

was pretty good in raid

not very good in m+

but you didnt stack them like mw

[nova marsh]

Yeah ik they werent good in keys

[vast helm]

then dps tuning coming

[nova marsh]

Last one I had got trashed in aa

[stable fiber]

demolish damage buffed by 100% 🙏

that button does not do enough damage

[sharp wyvern]

it does get some buffs not the dmg but the frequency of it being usable

[minor gust]

You mean rends initial dmg buffed

[sharp goblet]

did they confirm the tentative warrior changes from before? for sd reap and for thane dmg/cdr?

[rare kite]

most changes got reverted. those you mentioned got reverted

[sharp goblet]

yeah sorry that’s what I mean - did they confirm the revert

sick

[minor gust]

Yes it's confirmed

[sharp goblet]

ahhh the updates msg was just updated, there wasn’t a new one, sry

[wooden lava]

is there anything to even look forward to in the new patch

or are we just stuck being bottom dpsers

or just flat out benched on the last 3

[stable fiber]

i didnt really believe in specs scaling better off stats more so then others

[robust coyote]

there were supposed to be a bunch of changes for other classes -- why are they not listed in this patch note article

[stable fiber]

but arms does feel that way

[wooden lava]

it's funny that warrior is so pointless on crown that it doesnt matter what spec u play

[robust coyote]

why can't they do this for arms via cleave

[minor gust]

12.05 has buffs and nerfs nothing is changing that.

But look forward to good Colo changes

[rare kite]

col with and without crit is worlds apart i stg

[minor gust]

Cuz 15 sec CD demo is peak

[wooden lava]

does it actually do dmg tho lol

[robust coyote]

Also wasn't there something mentioned about demolish getting big CDR?

[wooden lava]

i'll wait and see ig

[worn knoll]

Just timed a 13 algethar, run went well, i feel like i did good damage on trash pulls, but the single target boss damage feels SO bad as colossus right now. And the unholy DK in group was 5 ilvls under me, did more aoe than me, and did almost double my single target on bosses. Im happy we timed it but it just feels like the spec is underperforming still. We trade so much single target damage for cleave talents and then still lose at both aoe and single target to some specs, its just demotivating tbh

[daring heron]

my feels don't like bladestorming last

[minor gust]

Well its gonna do more because you cast it twice as much

[tepid citrus]

It's crazy.. Makes no sense.. I keep saying that Rend shouldn't cost any rage for Arms.. It doesn't cost rage on Fury... Would make ST better too. Simple change that would make too much sense imo

[minor gust]

Fair it does feel illogical with how overwhelmed works

[wooden lava]

[worn knoll]

Maybe i should go slayer instead for m+ to not be shit on single target but this is just kinda depressing right now ngl

[rare kite]

isn't it optimal sending bs before cleaves if imminent demise is fully stacked?

[minor gust]

No thats SD

If you don't have max ID and you got SD stacks send it before in your opener

Send SD

The gains are minimal tho so like really doesn't matter

[shut token]

That is really nice to hear, I wonder if you can run without cleave in dungeons as well and let demolish and sweping strikes carry aoe and get more ST talents

[minor gust]

Oh nah that ain't happening for dungeons

[wooden lava]

cleave does the majority of ur dmg

[minor gust]

Cleave is still stupidly overpowered there's no scenario where you won't take it for dungeons

[rare kite]

cleave is wayyy too broken for that

[minor gust]

Demolish nice for raids cuz adds spawn infrequently and don't live long

But for aoe like m+ cleave is king

[rare kite]

remove cleave from current arms and it becomes ultra dogshit in m+

[wooden lava]

you would do sub tank dmg w/o cleave

this class' entire M+ identity is built around cleave

it's literally impossible

[minor gust]

Them removing reap from MS too is just the doubling down of making cleave the only thing that matters in aoe

[hallow lion]

whats the verdict on the arms changes +- st and aoe

[wooden lava]

reroll

play aug, chill, do 30% more dmg

[shut token]

I believe that was reverted?

[lean geode]

Both slayer and colossus gained some single target and lost some aoe

[rare kite]

good changes. positive all around

[minor gust]

Both specs are being buffed

[sand totem]

How the fuck? I cant crack 350k ffs

[wind hatch]

SD change was reverted

MS wasnt

[minor gust]

That was SD being reverted the thing with Ms is still gone

[shut token]

oh so now more reap in st?

[minor gust]

No SD will proc reap in ST

100%

Just no more MS reap proc chances

[shut token]

ah alright got it

[wooden lava]

what did they compensate with @minor gust

[rare kite]

bladestorm buff and slam deep wounds

[wooden lava]

...

[minor gust]

BS buff by 20% and slam now applies DW on Crit and SD revert makes up for ST loss and turns it into a buff. But aoe is still a net loss

But not that big

[wooden lava]

that sounds like a very minor st buff

[minor gust]

20% BS buff isn't to be underestimated

[minor gust]

Yeah it's minor

Like 2-4%

[wooden lava]

lmao

[minor gust]

Maybe less

[rare kite]

it's very nice for raid. where adds have no hp

[minor gust]

BS will be strong will help with raid adds more

But still has the problem of lasting 20 years and not being as fast as fury bladestorm

[soft gust]

BS is a good opportunity to stretch or check your phone

Maybe get a glass of water

[minor gust]

Maybe take a shower or do some chores

[soft gust]

Fr

[swift plume]

Yeah I personally check my emails during bladestorm

[graceful light]

Is the aoe loss from no deep wounds on cleave?

[reef bone]

why does everyone play ST arms on Belo'ren?

[wooden lava]

2 target cleave

the eggs last long enough to cleave EP stacks

[minor gust]

Mix of that and losing MS reap procs

[shut token]

@minor gust I know cleave is op, i was just thinking that with a lot more demolishes coming in 2 targets and if you run the increased bleed damge instead of cleave talent and also sweeping strikes talents. You can at least do some decent aoe even without cleave no?

[wooden lava]

bro stop trying ot make no cleave work

it doesn't work

you're overestimating demolish dmg

[tepid citrus]

a poor mans feral druid is what you would be

[inland drift]

anyone having issue paladins not showing up in raid area?

[minor gust]

In m+ no cleave is just too strong

[tepid citrus]

with 0 finnel

funnel*

[minor gust]

If demolish did insane dmg like it did in TWW s3 maybe but as orcbolg said too you also lose your funnel if you don't take cleave

[soft gust]

Cleave is just going from like 60% of your aoe to like 50%

[tepid citrus]

killing Necro's on Pit of Saron with S tier funnel is all the rave

atleast I feel good about it.. Till I see a paladin use Execution Hammer and remove 40% of a prio mob's health in less than a second. Blizzard thought.. "Paladins have everything now, but an execution button.. Let's nerf Warriors and give it to paladins."

[soft gust]

I mean, our prio damage is constant and really high

You’d assume a prio damage cd would do more burst

[slender sonnet]

bro I suck

[minor gust]

Pretty cool CD tho execution sentence actually doing what it name describes is pretty sick

[nova marsh]

Es is like

[minor gust]

Now if only demolish could actually demolish

[nova marsh]

The only cool part of ret imo

[tepid citrus]

I suck slightly less.... But I'm getting old. Long gone are the orange parse days of my youthful past

[slender sonnet]

I just can't get good dps out of this spec man

idk what it is

[nova marsh]

I actually love stored damage effects

[tepid citrus]

Mine is because I'm 40+ now and have arthritis.. You might just suck. LOL JK

[floral tide]

Hitting a mortal strike with 5 stacks of fuck you is pretty fun

[tepid citrus]

BUt my raid also doesn't have a shaman. So i feel like I'm drinking mud througha straw to gain rage on ST.

[inland drift]

might keep my warr for m+ and tank

need suggestions for alt for raid

[ashen trout]

so does this mean there's no changes for warr for 12.0.5?

[nova marsh]

There are

[minor gust]

If you record your gameplay or something I could prob look at it and figure it out. I ain't good at sifting through logs besides the basic stuff

[nova marsh]

Its just the bad ones arent going through

[ashen trout]

oh i just saw the new 12.0.5 post and it doesnt list PTR, but the old stuff does so i wasnt sure if the previous changes to slayer's reap were in oops

[nova marsh]

The sd change is gone

[inland drift]

do we gain anything good ST raid wise in 05 or cna i bench

[nova marsh]

The ms one is not

[nova marsh]

Probably not

Its a pad tier anyways

[slender sonnet]

I'll record some pulls on salhadaar

we're trying that boss for the first time

[rare kite]

saladbar parse is at the mercy of your tanks

[unreal mountain]

are we getting allready the changes for mortal strike with next reset?

[minor gust]

We are getting every change listed but the SD one

[near ice]

I wouldn’t feel bad. A lot of this tier is pad damage and depending on how fast your raid kills adds, it’s hard to parse until Warcraft logs updates all stars to not include heavy pad damage

[minor gust]

Yeah pretty much you are the mercy of tanks for that boss but I can still see if there's anything you are slipping up on

Good one to record would be voarsius

Or chim

[near ice]

So you either get good pad through colossus and that nets a good parse or you play ethical slayer and try to do a bit of both 🙃

[dim basalt]

Lads

Col or Slayer in MT

[slender sonnet]

I'll try and remember next week

cause we recleared them already

[minor gust]

Slayer

Lots of bosses in MT

[dim basalt]

My mind is also telling me Slayer but something tells me col can have its moments too

[minor gust]

Realistically both are good and you will do good on both

[near ice]

I think colossus foot dragons and paladins

[dim basalt]

Im talking M+

[near ice]

Slayer for everything else

[dim basalt]

Getting into +17 keys feels impossible

Everyone playing meta

[hybrid needle]

I dont like slayer on m+. Idk what it is. Col just feels better

[slender sonnet]

I think, frankly. I'm just bad at the game now.

[minor gust]

Such is the way of pugging

[dim basalt]

yee

[stable arrow]

can anyone with brain tell me if i should be crafting my highest simming craft or focus on bracers / boots etc...

[dim basalt]

Surprisingly few phys comp players