arms

[stable fiber]

my dk is 120k with vantus at 272 ilvl and my warrior is 95k with vantus as 282 lvl

l m a o

[latent moss]

uff

belt ig

maybe neck

that neck is hugen o

[stable fiber]

sorry last question but what is colo st on live

im cooking smth

[minor gust]

You go for gloves or neck

👀

[latent moss]

75k

i think

[stable fiber]

jesus christ

is that even right

im 86k rn on sim

with colo

[latent moss]

m+ build

was somewhere around that

[stable fiber]

i mostly care abt st build rn

[minor gust]

I think Colo full sT is 92k

[latent moss]

iirc

[minor gust]

For 12.05

[stable fiber]

yeah but on live

[pale imp]

Mannn all these chads running mythic raid I bail at heroic

If I’m parsing 85’s roughly but consistently on heroic would that be enough to contribute in mythic raid or would I let the team down

[stable fiber]

ik some1 had a picture

comparing them both

got buried

[minor gust]

I'm not at my PC right now or I would sim it

[latent moss]

send

colo st string

talent tree string

[latent moss]

76k is for m+ build

[latent moss]

holy

[stable fiber]

CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgZmZmlZmZmZGAAAghphZYmxyMzMzgxMDAAAAgxmZAxA2MjhNYgZ0GNGsAMjNz2AbmtBzMAgZmhB

ok i found it

[wind hatch]

yeah

[tacit crystal]

i love being crest capped

[stable fiber]

erm

[wind hatch]

there are plenty of people who perform worse than you that mythic raid

[tacit crystal]

yo when do we get uncrest capped

[wind hatch]

just dont be scared of it at all

[stable fiber]

.

idk what this is tho

what talent page

think its m+ im guessing

[latent moss]

i have

[pale imp]

Asin yeah I’d let the team down and wouldn’t get into 1 ?

[latent moss]

no idea how its only 79k

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q26SzmudHsobBprKHKM3vg

[stable fiber]

was prior to reap

[tacit crystal]

also why does colo run sweeep does bonus damage and not long sweep

[stable fiber]

wtf

bro my sim outsims urs bud

xdd

[tacit crystal]

cone sim long vs big dam sweep

[latent moss]

this is bis profile

as well

idk whats going on

[stable fiber]

hold up

[latent moss]

too early for ts

[wind hatch]

no

[latent moss]

big dam

[tacit crystal]

but why

[latent moss]

more dam

long sweep doesnt matter

[stable fiber]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vN9LThygPds85i3cxkV9QK

cooking a l'ura build

[tacit crystal]

i timed 2 keys yday

[stable fiber]

not sure what to do yet

this is with vantus rune tho so

[tacit crystal]

[stable fiber]

but colo st is only like 9.5k behind

[latent moss]

u in on lura?

[tacit crystal]

okay but colo you oneshot the guys

[thick kelp]

idk yet

[tacit crystal]

so surely its worth

[latent moss]

which keys

[stable fiber]

no but you need to persuade people

and

[latent moss]

xdd

[stable fiber]

its possible

its either dk or arms

[latent moss]

warrior in 2026...

[tacit crystal]

i timed Windrunner with bear mw lock aug

[astral yarrow]

if you have any amount of hunters/locks/dks/shamans going warrior, especially colo is the trollest thing

[tacit crystal]

💀

and uh

miasara

[latent moss]

holy

what level

also

[tacit crystal]

18 im washed

[latent moss]

i need help

not bad

higher maisara than mine xdd

[stable fiber]

is something fucked with this

[latent moss]

100%

[thick kelp]

holy

[latent moss]

cause its

[thick kelp]

surely not worth it

[latent moss]

2k above m+ talents

no way

[astral yarrow]

there is no way

[tacit crystal]

@stable sapphire are you having fun on lura arms

🙂

[latent moss]

ye the talent string u gave me xdd

[stable fiber]

im certain colo with be good next week on the boss

wtf?!?

[tacit crystal]

you gotta sim on uh

[stable fiber]

that

was the aoe sim

LMAO

oops

[tacit crystal]

mimron surely

oh

[thick kelp]

go sim mimiron.raidbots

[latent moss]

nah he wants current

i think

[tacit crystal]

but should t you use mimron also

[stable fiber]

CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAzMzsMzMzMDAAAghphZYmxyMzMzgxMDAAAAgZMzAyMgNzYYDGYGtRjBLAzYzsNGMjBzMAgZMMA

[latent moss]

mimiron for .5 stuff

[stable fiber]

it resorted my strings

...

[minor gust]

You just tryna demolish some adds?

[tacit crystal]

yeah

[thick kelp]

I mean colossu pre .5

is troll on lura

lol

[stable fiber]

i want both

[tacit crystal]

i feel like you just take the regular colo page?

[stable fiber]

im aware its troll pre .5

[thick kelp]

i think pure ST is ok ish

cuz u get nice demo from cystals

but cleave is overrated

[latent moss]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/huqzUKQy3NQFiF6mkK3U3R

[thick kelp]

since raidbuffs start ticking too

[tacit crystal]

does our m+ page change next week?

[latent moss]

no

[tacit crystal]

gg

[latent moss]

@stable fiber

[stable fiber]

that is not awfulk

[wind hatch]

lura is still mostly st tho, is the crystals in p1 enough to make up the difference?

[latent moss]

@thick kelp see why i want to craft

legs

[stable sapphire]

haha

[thick kelp]

Champ legs

noway

[latent moss]

i ran

30+ keys

that drop legs

btw

[thick kelp]

xD

[latent moss]

but if i craft legs

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

i have to cata hands

i got voidclaw 289

[stable sapphire]

will have more fun when we get to 35%

[minor gust]

Oh hell nah

[stable fiber]

i was watching wes

it looked miserable

LMAO

[minor gust]

Don't do it man lmao

[stable fiber]

im ngl

[tacit crystal]

[minor gust]

Just farm those legs

[tacit crystal]

bro it was so bad

[minor gust]

[tacit crystal]

theyd just wipe

[latent moss]

how do i even sim ts

[tacit crystal]

and you are at the bottom

eevry time

LMAO

[stable sapphire]

@stable fiber yea its tough

[latent moss]

warrior in big 26

[stable sapphire]

but I will ascend in p3 (hopefully)

[stable fiber]

like the adds

[latent moss]

surely

[stable fiber]

you bladestorm

[tacit crystal]

💀

[stable fiber]

and cant even reap

because the mobs die before bs finishes

???

[minor gust]

Arms BS moment

[tacit crystal]

its okay demolish is the way

wait what if you prog as colo

and just turbo sandbbag

[stable fiber]

i did think you could try the colo st build

but

idk

shit in p3

just troll

certainly better in .5

[tacit crystal]

okay but we are already trolling playing arms

no offense

[wind hatch]

tru

[thick kelp]

what else do you play?

Fury?

omegalul

[minor gust]

It's a pretty big buff for Colo in .5

[tacit crystal]

no we have snapxd go snapwar

and get in cocoa

thoughts

[minor gust]

Kinda makes you wanna do a reclear as Colo

xD

Saladbar colo

[thick kelp]

I think purely due to p3 p4

Slarms will win that boss

[tacit crystal]

yeah but 5s cutscene

and they all die

sow ahats the point even

[thick kelp]

do St

[latent moss]

bro imma craft legs

[floral ledge]

for the 12.0.5, they nerfed to reap storm proc to 15% and rebuff to 20% right ?

[latent moss]

no one can stop me

[tacit crystal]

DO NOT

@latent moss

[latent moss]

why not

[minor gust]

Doing what arms does in raid since DF ignore adds do ST

[tacit crystal]

bc void hands bis

[latent moss]

bro

[thick kelp]

not on arms

noob

[latent moss]

they are dps loss

on aoe

[tacit crystal]

no way 🥀

[latent moss]

on 2t+

[thick kelp]

in bis void hands is -2.5%

[latent moss]

holy

[thick kelp]

shit stats

[tacit crystal]

what do you play instead

[minor gust]

Want Crit haste hands from M+

[thick kelp]

the gloves in my vault

[latent moss]

tbf i dont think

cata gloves are much better

[minor gust]

That I got in vault today

[latent moss]

they are like vers mastery

xd

[minor gust]

[tacit crystal]

those looked like wrists ngl

[tacit crystal]

is the bonus roll stuff next week gonna be myth tier

[latent moss]

running 19 billion

[tacit crystal]

or is it hero

[latent moss]

idk how that even works tbh

[minor gust]

Myth

[tacit crystal]

can you only do dungeon or raid

or dungeon and raid?

[thick kelp]

both

[tacit crystal]

and how does it work in raid

is it per boss

[thick kelp]

yeah

per boss and per dungeon

[stable fiber]

colo st build is still 9k behind and i took the string from ur .5 sim

am i stupid

[latent moss]

legs and cata hands

is 1.3%

[slow saddle]

9k is close though khazix

[tacit crystal]

what dungeon should i target first

[stable fiber]

yeah but it doesnt really justify playing it .5 on st

[slow saddle]

what i rly wanna know is real life application

consider this

everytime we get something we can leech charges of

[tacit crystal]

what dungeon are those hands from @thick kelp

[slow saddle]

how does this change the dmg

so

1st boss adds + boss = farm demos

2nd boss adds + boss farm demos

3rd boss orbs + boss farm demos

[latent moss]

how does it even wrok

can i just guarantee a drop

[slow saddle]

4th boss same

[latent moss]

or

[slow saddle]

5th boss same

then bench

[minor gust]

Guaranteed drop

Of loot

[umbral badger]

sometimes i wish if crafted trinkets are good, and then you won't be waiting in line of 15 players for gaze

lol

[slow saddle]

so

[latent moss]

if i want myth track i need to do the boss on mythic or

[slow saddle]

pro tip

[tacit crystal]

prob

[vapid goblet]

yes

[slow saddle]

Go to

CHimera

roll as Prot

only 3 items

[thick kelp]

windrunner

[latent moss]

ye gonna pug dreamrift

[tacit crystal]

oh dear

[latent moss]

bro

[vapid goblet]

with the bonus roll thing yea

[tacit crystal]

be me hof rank 1

[vapid goblet]

cant wait to get boots

[minor gust]

Someone was saying there was a void forge system that can let you upgrade a hero item to myth

[vapid goblet]

or tier

[slow saddle]

well

doesnt it exclude

after each roll as i understood

[latent moss]

wait

it just guarantees a drop from the boss ?XD

[slow saddle]

yes

[vapid goblet]

no

[latent moss]

i cant bonus roll a specific item

xdddd

[slow saddle]

nono but

once u get it

[latent moss]

hoooooooly engagement farm

[minor gust]

Nope

[slow saddle]

u cant roll it again

[latent moss]

@tacit crystal leg craft owning

[slow saddle]

so next time 50/50

[thick kelp]

yeah but u cant roll a dupe

[slow saddle]

then 100%

[minor gust]

It's bonus rolls like the good ol days

[tacit crystal]

die

[minor gust]

Just guaranteed loot this time

[slow saddle]

bonus roll no dupe

is kindda goated

[minor gust]

But still random xD

[slow saddle]

OFC what WILL happen is

i ok 3 weeks

[thick kelp]

bfa rolls for AP

[slow saddle]

on 3rd week it drops naturally

[tacit crystal]

is this confirmed

[stable fiber]

92k sim dps with no vantus on colo st

OK ITS SCALING

[latent moss]

bro what is wrong with crafting legs mr gio fiveseven

[thick kelp]

fake news

[tacit crystal]

you can get them next week

[slow saddle]

Khazix try

2 target

[vapid goblet]

wtf

[thick kelp]

Makes u a nerd

[slow saddle]

and show us dmg on main target

[latent moss]

fym

[slow saddle]

vs slayer

[latent moss]

makes me goated

[minor gust]

I have no idea I haven't actually looked into the .5 stuff just repeating what I've heard about it

[vapid goblet]

How big is the slayer buff in 12.05 tho

[stable fiber]

im on

[slow saddle]

because realisticly u can FARM adds on col

[stable fiber]

simc

[tacit crystal]

bro just craft wrists cloak and shut up

[stable fiber]

raidbots

[latent moss]

i aint doing allat

[tacit crystal]

wait wahts bis weapon

[stable fiber]

nah .5 patch arms goes crazy on lura

I BELIEVE

[tacit crystal]

pit of saron?

or lura

[minor gust]

Lura

[latent moss]

lura

[vapid goblet]

yea but

hunters

exist

[magic canopy]

@thick kelp so what did they change that is buffing slayers ST

[tacit crystal]

no way man

[vapid goblet]

it´s just that other classes are better xd

[magic canopy]

i feel like a dumbass but i cant remember

[tacit crystal]

where dow e get our crit from then

[minor gust]

Slam dw

[latent moss]

idk

[minor gust]

Buffs Slayer St with SD reap and BS buff

[stable fiber]

its more about filling in the bshout spot to make prog easier

[latent moss]

man fuck it leg craft incoming

[tacit crystal]

and when is anyone actually killing lura btw

[stable fiber]

because then u can run bdk

[vapid goblet]

prot warr is banger

[stable fiber]

for more grips

[tall citrus]

How much worse will arms be in 12.05?

[minor gust]

It won't be worse

[tacit crystal]

only buffs

[latent moss]

"grips arent a raidbuff"

[minor gust]

It will be better

[astral yarrow]

im pretty sure if dps war wasnt dog, the optimal thing to do was double bdk for p1 consistency on lura prog

[stable fiber]

biggest lie ive ever heard btw

[latent moss]

meanwhile bosses

legit impossible

without 2 grips

perma

just give them 2% haste or w/e raidbuff

[tacit crystal]

man i have lura weapon in my bags

[latent moss]

and remove grip 👍

[tacit crystal]

i wish i could upgrade to myth

[wind hatch]

i think grip is cool but having multiple dk comp requirement is cringe

[minor gust]

Warlocks when you need two gateways

[thick kelp]

Slam procs deep wounds. ID makes BS do mroe does more dam (on ptr)

[stable fiber]

how add vantus to advanced sim

[tacit crystal]

did you have stroke there

[astral yarrow]

double warlock isnt strictly needed

[slow saddle]

ever since that was stated every raid has a million adds that RLY RLY RLY benefit from grips 😄

[thick kelp]

makes p3 hella easier tho

[astral yarrow]

just add a random enchantment with the vers amount

[astral yarrow]

nah you just split a melee side and a ranged side

[slow saddle]

i ask again can some1 with brains just sim 2 target Col vs 2 target Slayer showing only the dmg on Main target

i dont have the brains

[thick kelp]

as if u would ever have 7 melees

[stable fiber]

enchant=30000vers i think

need to find the number u get

[slow saddle]

300 ?

[latent moss]

udhk "melee"

xddddd

[slow saddle]

3000 versa would be lit though

[latent moss]

me when i lie

[slow saddle]

Retripaladin

[latent moss]

i just dont get it tho

[slow saddle]

"melee"

[latent moss]

they said they didnt want that shit anymore

[stable fiber]

ret is pretty melee cause u can only get power from auto attacks

but yeah

[latent moss]

in df s3

u got unholy

2 melee spells

[astral yarrow]

your 2 dks, 1 dh, 1 hunter, 1 tank, monk healer/dps and so on. You arent making the life of several ranged people hard

[latent moss]

festering strike and soul reaper

[stable fiber]

270 vers

[astral yarrow]

just slap some roar or some shit in there and its not needed at all

[clever crag]

Is the nerfs in rn ?

Nerfs/buffs

[latent moss]

what nerfs

no

next week is .5

[clever crag]

Ah ok

[stable fiber]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jbxvG5NDhPvM9oNVQTpicp

ok i think thats it

colo st arms

[astral yarrow]

set_custom_buff=vantus,stat_value=270_versatility

[stable fiber]

banger

i just added 270 vers to my neck

[magic canopy]

when the fuck did i miss this

[astral yarrow]

also works

[slow saddle]

ok so 96k how does that stack with THANE fury ?

also keep in mind we get the big buff to Weapons and trinkets

[magic canopy]

i feel like ive covered every ptr change and i dont remember that at all lemme go back in archis update posts

[slow saddle]

or is that included

[latent moss]

bro idk

as fury i just do less damage than as arms

despite simming higher

[minor gust]

Was part of the first set of 12.05 notes

[latent moss]

skill issue

prolly

[stable fiber]

i sim 90k st on arms but i do way more then that

[slow saddle]

opposite for now for me, but that is 100% a skill issue and ive looked into how to SNIPE way more

as arms to get more

yeye as soon as we can snipe some executes on trash shit into boss with 100% dmg

it shines

[stable fiber]

we will see

[thick kelp]

which part

[magic canopy]

slam proccing DW and the BS damage

[slow saddle]

and i love playing collosus so this is a banger

[magic canopy]

its like i missed an entire update note

[thick kelp]

Slam proccing DW was legit first round of the PTR changes LOL

[flat willow]

I remember the bs damage but not the slam

[latent moss]

@tacit crystal come on eu tarren mill and craft my legs bro

[stable fiber]

imagine they just randomly buff arms st some more

go from shit in raid to meta

BANG

[magic canopy]

like im in #updates-midnight and im SCROLLIN

[stable sapphire]

hope so

[magic canopy]

so long ago a fuckin forgot

[tacit crystal]

did

[vapid goblet]

Doubt

[thick kelp]

doubting rn

[slow saddle]

like for real

[vapid goblet]

blizzard has decided warrior is the shit class this tier

[slow saddle]

if Collosus simmed 115k

[tacit crystal]

yeah ts never happening gup

[slow saddle]

like Ret

i think collosus could be close to meta

[magic canopy]

march 12th found the notes

[minor gust]

Real shit class is rogue

[tacit crystal]

sugma

guys what if i stay up turn on the radio and do keys

[stable fiber]

rogue and shaman are in the dumps rn lmao

[tacit crystal]

instead of sleeping

[stable fiber]

we could always have it worse xdd

[thick kelp]

Sure

[tacit crystal]

by keys i mean sit in lfg and hit the target dummy

[slow saddle]

@stable fiber what do we sim in M+ build as st then ?:D

[tacit crystal]

or should i play mahjong in queue

[slow saddle]

im similarly curious, as i saw its a decent decrease in aoe we loose

ofc Funnel is increased

which is kindda mad 😄

[thick kelp]

82k ish on ptr

[vapid goblet]

wait we got nerfed now?

i am so confused

[slow saddle]

nah fam

Big buff

[vapid goblet]

buff st nerf aoe?

[slow saddle]

esp slayer arms

[latent moss]

like 1% on aoe

as colo

[thick kelp]

Whoever asked for 2T comparison, this is ST build but took broad + Powerful

[stable fiber]

its like a slight nerf to aoe but i feel the qol and st buff makes up for it

[clever crag]

So why sim colo st

[latent moss]

gg

[stable fiber]

cause colo st could be played on some bosses

[slow saddle]

i wanted to know what u did as on the main target

[latent moss]

@tacit crystal

thoughts

[vapid goblet]

lmao

on what

[minor gust]

Gotta do re tard

[stable fiber]

like i think you literally can play colo st build on l'ura next week

[tacit crystal]

DIDDY GONNA FIND YOU

[slow saddle]

hmm how

[vapid goblet]

is that

101k with like

289

[slow saddle]

thats still dog D:

[vapid goblet]

if so this class is still dogwater

like

so bad

[tacit crystal]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxgovkJqDIOkzYewLqzHXk8BChr200aLKt?si=xYDlT7G2qdXsZBZQ

[slow saddle]

thats with farming MORE demolish resets?

[tacit crystal]

@iron spruce

@stable sapphire

am i a chud

[stable fiber]

wtf are u doing

[magic canopy]

why did you wait so long to charge

[slow saddle]

keep in mind

dragons we will be insane

like if u play demolish

[vapid goblet]

who cares

[slow saddle]

theres a real chance arms will look good

[vapid goblet]

about some 5 pulls boss

[slow saddle]

well arent there birdies on sev bosses

[latent moss]

axaxaxaxxaaxaxxa

[stable fiber]

i did 122k boss dps on dragons rn

[slow saddle]

doesnt crown has adds

[vapid goblet]

crown is just

melee bad

in general

[tacit crystal]

i hesitated

[slow saddle]

but demolish is more bursty

[minor gust]

Colo dragons already good

[tacit crystal]

[vapid goblet]

so you what

[tacit crystal]

i got anxious

[slow saddle]

so loosing uptime is bad but NOT as bad as slayer

[tacit crystal]

...

[vapid goblet]

snipe add damage before other people?

bro

warrior sucks ass

[slow saddle]

u Funnel brother

[vapid goblet]

the damage profile sucks ass

[slow saddle]

which increases st a lot

[vapid goblet]

so you can what

[latent moss]

bro i got like

3-4 ilvls

[vapid goblet]

still be 30k behind the unh dks

[latent moss]

hoooly

[tacit crystal]

we almost timed that key btw

[clever crag]

Bruh arms is m+/pvp spec

Be happy its fine there

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

chud spec

[slow saddle]

more like 20k

[iron spruce]

no spell reflect chud...

[slow saddle]

but yes

thats life brother

[tacit crystal]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxXh_vbX9CshQRySR7uWo-qIx-uaJCQ4PV?si=gECBq351qwbXdBXm

not gonna say who

[thick kelp]

man

[slow saddle]

Tuning is "good" in st this tier

[tacit crystal]

BUT SOMEONE INSTA KICKED

[latent moss]

axxxaxax

classic

[vapid goblet]

am i wrong tho

warrior is like

[slow saddle]

also this at least means in M+

[vapid goblet]

F tier in the raid

[slow saddle]

Collo is rly good

[vapid goblet]

for keys arms is good tho

[slow saddle]

and in 12.05 even better

[thick kelp]

idk

[slow saddle]

suddenly it does decent st

[thick kelp]

the adds need to die

[clever crag]

Who cares about raid just reroll lol

[latent moss]

horrifying

[clever crag]

To fotm

[flat willow]

being bad in raid good in m+

[slow saddle]

i mean i reckon if UHDK does

130k

[flat willow]

is the best

[tacit crystal]

timer was hella fine no?

[clever crag]

Yes

[slow saddle]

we should do at least 115k

[latent moss]

ye

key was free

[slow saddle]

and thtas what RET does

so we just need a tune up to the other melees

[tacit crystal]

2:30 to do 70%

[flat willow]

yeah but ret is a shining knight of light

you are just a bozo with a sword

[tacit crystal]

actually 67%

@restive jay

[flat willow]

can't be as good as a ret

[vapid goblet]

and we do 102k

so yea

we still suck ass

[astral yarrow]

warrior doesnt fill a niche and st kinda blows in comparison to other classes

[latent moss]

shining knight of light gets BRUTALLY FRAMEMOGGED by a bozo with a sword

[astral yarrow]

but its mostly a "pwar is good" issue

[latent moss]

st just awful no

[thick kelp]

Niche of blowing up irrrelevant adds

copium

[minor gust]

Funnel spec niche now

[vapid goblet]

st might be the worst in the game

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

do we even blow up adds atp

devourer presses collapsing star

john midnight spec

[vapid goblet]

hunters

[thick kelp]

True

[latent moss]

apex called midnight

[astral yarrow]

not in any way better than ddh, demo lock or mm hunter

[vapid goblet]

you know what

another 5% buff to devour DH

they seem weak

[astral yarrow]

sub kinda rocks adds as well

[latent moss]

true and real

buff ddh

NOW

if u ask kalamazi

demo lock is overperforming due to reason #112

[astral yarrow]

our main hunter guy is constantly saying "mm isnt that good, its just bugged"

[umbral badger]

which necklace are we crafting if we wanna craft a necklace ?

[astral yarrow]

well if its an unfixed bug, its a feature now isnt it

[thick kelp]

kappadeluxe

[slow saddle]

Wtb some of those bucs

[latent moss]

nah people who sandbag

i have nothing

but hatred

for them

[slow saddle]

Our bugs = 2 sd slows down reset

[slow saddle]

So 99% of rets

[latent moss]

how do i farm hero crests even

[flat willow]

rets aren't smart enough to sandbag

[astral yarrow]

cap myth crests xd

[latent moss]

makes sense

[slow saddle]

Do 12s until capped tgen u get hcs

[latent moss]

ye ik ive been getting the

random ass currency

voidlight w/e

[minor gust]

Get like 24 crests for a 12 so it's pretty quick

[thick kelp]

overperforming due to external reason X, please buff us again

[latent moss]

gotta cap myth crests first

bro

revenge

key

most unlucky key oat

[slow saddle]

Im curious if our m+ performance is holdin back raid

Keep in min we aeent arcane mages of old that could so both

[vapid goblet]

Since when

did they balance around m+

i dont think they ever have

[thick kelp]

never

[latent moss]

wish they have tbh

but all m+ overperformers are op in raid too

so they arej ust not tuning at all

[queen garden]

Hmm is it intended that 289 Mastery/vers myth weapon + 2x arcanoweave is simming worse than crafted one with hunt+arcano?

[umbral badger]

i hate crafting cloak when it's just 0.7% upgrade 😭

but cuz i have a socket bracer crafted bracers give me less dps

[tacit crystal]

but its something you never replace

[umbral badger]

yea

[flat willow]

sounds right, vers very bad

[umbral badger]

if only i got a vault weapon then i have a bit more leeway sadge

[umbral badger]

it's only until later where some vers on gear is good, when the DR is too high on other stats.

[umbral badger]

maybe second or 3rd season until you can "put" some vers in the gear basically

how much of an easy life would it be if i am m+ only and don't wanna raid, mastery sims better in AoE and haste in ST for me now

sadge

[steep tree]

great news everyone

i got my first myth gear piece in midnight

can't wait to have super good gear and beat up nulleus

also speaking of which

any advice on beating him as an arms warrior (solo)

[thick kelp]

dstance and stance mastery

worked for me on 1st week against ??

[steep tree]

wonderous

also wdym distance

i gotta get up close to melee

[thick kelp]

dstance

[steep tree]

OHH

[thick kelp]

defensive stance

[steep tree]

defensive stance

right

[astral yarrow]

that is the most innocent exchange

[thick kelp]

like dont leave it

its your bestie

[steep tree]

got it

[thick kelp]

play a ST build with drooping 1 bloodborne point for powerful momentum and kill adds when they r up, save kick for boss always

u can sr some casts to make life easy

drums pot when last add spawns

[rustic reef]

Wallhe arms is looking insane right now no ?

[thick kelp]

yeah

best spec in the game

[rustic reef]

Knew it

[dim basalt]

[wind hatch]

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

[rustic reef]

Twin dragons, ethical damage is arms right

[limber apex]

how far behind is arms slayer single target vs fury thane single target? light years?

[rustic reef]

I have to share a screenshot to my raidleader

[thick kelp]

go check my log

very ethical damage split there

[rustic reef]

Pls share i cant find you via name search

[astral yarrow]

wall-ee

[thick kelp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bxyFapqXZTDhW3P7?fight=last

[thick kelp]

from liquids

[latent moss]

nice pad

[rustic reef]

HA

[latent moss]

ur giuild really

[thick kelp]

orbs needed to die what can I say

[latent moss]

does no dmg

[thick kelp]

yeah

W

[rustic reef]

Bro i would DIE for a blood dk

U got 2

[thick kelp]

boss is unplayable without double bdk no joke

they target mass grips on me or co warrior

[vapid pine]

Absolute dogshit ass boss design tbh

Grips are a raidbuff memery just means guilds without a DK get a 10x harder boss instead of a 2% damage loss fuck meeeeeeeeeeee

[umbral badger]

i'd blame the fact that mass grip is blood only more than the boss though

[vapid pine]

I wanted to off myself when our DK lost power during first Chimaerus night

[umbral badger]

i don't get why mass grip can't be a dps spec too

[vapid pine]

Why do we need a fucking excel spreadsheet for range kicks on the third boss in the tier

It's just dogshit if you happen to not have people who want to play DK

[thick kelp]

tf u mean

we just yolod that shit succesfully

[karmic bronze]

at least its pretty popular and UH is most of the time op

[vapid pine]

We're ass, also we have a melee heavy comp so we had like 3 range kicks per group + 1 warrior throw

[shut token]

In theory, pve pieces with the same or higher item level than the item lvl the pvp piece increase to and with versatility on, are just as good as the pvp pieces?

[vapid pine]

You had 2 DKs too, grips (lack thereof) are the problem

[thick kelp]

[vapid pine]

[balmy heart]

help its like choosing between mum and dad

[minor gust]

One cancer to use but stronger burst other is macro and forget for okay burst

[bleak fog]

One you can farm

[thick kelp]

Guidon sims better than pbox for me

[bleak fog]

Or farm once per week 😄

You wont see puzzle myth again

[minor gust]

Huge (I was never gonna touch puzzlebox regardless of what it simmed)

[balmy heart]

and raidbots is telling me to play with crucible still

what is this sorcery trinket

[latent moss]

make sure u got the shit unlocked

in this console

[forest mesa]

Apparently I upgraded both my heroic and mythic vorasius trinket to the max ilv, and it still wants me to use hero crests for another trinket upgrade. Am I just that dumb or is there a way to fix this?

[soft parcel]

maybe the fact you cant equip both hearts together might have something to do with that

[frigid barn]

Sorry dumb Q but Google ain't producing - if I craft a 285 1h for Prot today, can I upgrade Hero 2 handers for Arms without crests?

Already have a Myth Shield FWIW

[pliant anchor]

does the ST situation for colossus improve in 12.0.5.? or will it still be mainly an AOE powerhouse?

[pliant anchor]

for dual wield, both weapons need to be higher so that you get a free upgrade on a 2hander. for 2hander, only that weapon needs to be maxed so you get free 1hander upgrades

[frigid barn]

Awesome tyty

[fresh spire]

Don't be scared to also just stun the shit out if mobs when they spawn to give locks time to apply tounges

[stable cairn]

Nice vault

[willow oxide]

Hello fellow brothers, I have a quick question. Which RaidBots setup do you use to sim your upgrade from vault (or in general) for mythic plus content as I do not raid anymore. Because I can choose between a mythic chest (I've hero) or a mythic weap (bad stats; mastery/versa). (I do have the crafted 285 already.)

[thick kelp]

1t 3-5mins

and 8t 40s-1.5min

Chest sounds better from your description tho

[willow oxide]

That's my gut as well. Main stats boost by iLvL seems more valuable to me.

Thank you for answering as well mate. Much appreciated.

[slow saddle]

I mean id prob take weap. If i could send arcano

Weap dmg also big

[limber apex]

huh haste is actually not that bad on arms

[thick kelp]

?

[slow saddle]

Haste is almost 1 : 1 crit

[limber apex]

I wish we could respec before pure ST boss fights on m+ to fury , sadge

arms feels so godly on packs yet so sad on ST

[thick kelp]

play slarms if u care lol

[ionic mica]

you can for end of seat

but apart from that not really

and yeah just slarms

[craggy iris]

Anyone know if we Gonna start priotizing slam over 1 stack of op on st with the deep wounds change?

[fresh spire]

Unlikely. Op hits hard

[craggy iris]

Ait, we got any % incresses on st for both hero talents with the current build??

Or Yeah the build coming next reset

[sterile prairie]

which 2 trinkets are ideally best for strictly doing m+ only; hero heart of ancient hunger, hero gaze and myth puzzle box

[slow saddle]

Next. Reset col gets loads of st

[slow saddle]

M+ but puggin?

Or stable planned grp

[sterile prairie]

i'd say 50-50 tbh, but our group is a 4man

we run around 12-13 keys atm

[shut token]

How so?

[slow saddle]

Read patch notes

Sev things happenin❤️

[alpine falcon]

Only demolish cd reduction from what i know

[slow saddle]

Which is thicc

• dw on slam

So far pure st in raid build

Slayer 100k

Col i think got up to like 94k

Or 95k

Thats pretty ok

[shut token]

I didnt think the deep wounds on slam would make a very big difference since we don´t press slam a lot but i might be wrong

[alpine falcon]

Col st in m+ build is garbage, unless you have some adds on bosses

[vapid pine]

Big problem we had was a stun on a castermob would cause the kick to fail which would mean either a panic-melee having to run over (which killed people on the other side) or a fear. Forced a tank on BDK and our DK got his power back the week after so we killed easily with grips, but still dogshit design

[slow saddle]

3rd boss? Chimera or salad

[heady smelt]

is ravager not in the cdm for tracked buffs? for cleave in st situations

[shut token]

But col is still getting nerfed on mortal strike and slam right?

[plucky path]

Hello, in higher m+ keys (15+) would you consider taking IP over FbV?

[pastel grotto]

No you can consider taking stance mastery in class tree

[plucky path]

ty 🙂

[tidal mica]

hotuning

tuning

tnerf

[kind stag]

you can have 2h weapon with darkmoon sigil and 1 arcanoweave embellishment item right?

[shrewd minnow]

rerolling back to my warrior, hit 90 on sunday and got a decent vault.... need help

have 217 legs I can craft myth, im crest capped, do i take alnseer craft wep and fish legs

or take weapon craft legs and fish mythic trinkets from raid since alnseer isnt THAT much better

I feel like getting mythic heart from raid and taking wep from vault just makes more sense... thoughts?

[flint cloud]

Any craft suggestion if i have a weapon already? Bracer and Cloak with arcanoweave?

[wide needle]

I have no wow capable internet since I open my vault.. How big does the vorasius trinket make you

[shrewd minnow]

Heart is 2nd bis

its pretty close to alnseer I think

[dim basalt]

I dont think he meant big in the dps kind of way

[shrewd minnow]

OH
AHAH

[dim basalt]

Also stop using bloodmallet

[shrewd minnow]

well im not sending him my sims

makes no sense

better than nothing lol

[dim basalt]

Genuinely tho, how big does the trinket make you

If I had to guess its similar to Avatar

[astral yarrow]

If on a fresh char i would pick weapon 10/10 times

[untold pewter]

Still haven't seen a weapon in vault

Idk if I want to craft a shitty cloak this week with no embelishments

[astral yarrow]

Hit wep on both alts first vault and got 2h off paladins in week 2 on main

already had crafted 285 2h though

[untold pewter]

We're starting paladins prog this week idk if it'll die

[night furnace]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sRpUwWVL6dh4n3qKGvRcev How is it possible that the same gloves sims lesser than 266 ones? Am I configuring something wrong?

[astral yarrow]

blue numbers = within variance

sim it 3 more times and they might come out 0.2% on top

i'd take the stam upgrade though unless you have a good socket candidate

[night furnace]

hmmm, okok tyvm

[vapid pine]

Are you simming with your weapon enchant? Looks like you only have results for crit/acuity but have haste equipped

[night furnace]

I think so, lemme check

[remote pivot]

you mean the form change kinda animation? i feel like its not reeeally big and kinda see through

[dim basalt]

sad

[night furnace]

ye, its simming, now it says to take the crit/haste gloves for a 162 dps upgrade

I believe its happening what aagaard said

[halcyon void]

is dungeon slice sim alright for arms?

[thick kelp]

no

[flat otter]

Was about to ask the same question, whats the prefered aoe sim as arms?

since its dif for every class

[thick kelp]

target count X fightduration how ever long your pulls last

patchwerk

[faint ravine]

hello guys whats our 3rd craft , or it isnt on a certain slot ?

[mild sierra]

Your worst current slot

Or you can droptimize crafted gear

[faint ravine]

tyvm ^^

[obtuse heart]

Any information can hc items also voidforge to 298 or only mythic track

[ocean sorrel]

Do we craft aracnoweave and remove embellishment on weap to have 2 arcanoweave this week?

[thick kelp]

only max upgrade myths or max lvl craft

[obtuse heart]

ty!

[slow saddle]

Yes

I did im a bis list slave

Also had a bad cloak👌🤣

Realisticly u could potentially get more power elsewhere

[rare kite]

sim to see if it's better before you do. i would just craft something else tho, like a ring or neck

[slow saddle]

I got the 2 hero rings

The set. Its a lot of damage

[latent moss]

i swear i saw it on hero as well

on wowhead

max hero/myth and myth crafts

[slow saddle]

Yeah thats how it reads

[latent moss]

goated

sending weapon and heart from vorasius insta

[slow saddle]

But supposedly hc goes to 285

So not worth

[restive jay]

4 am

[latent moss]

why

thats so dumb wtf

[slow saddle]

Dumb??

Its perfect a hc item shouldnt become a mythic item

[latent moss]

its .5 who cares

@stable fiber did lura get shot

or what

im reading wowhead

nerfs sound big

[thick kelp]

took id 10 post nerf pulls to kill

[latent moss]

i expected them to wait a bit more

to shooti t

[slow saddle]

Is it rly that shot?

[latent moss]

cause even at like

3 billion ilvl

[latent moss]

that boss is impossible for

99.99% of guilds

[latent moss]

ye xd

they nerfed it early tho no

[slow saddle]

Mby wanted 2 fill hof?

[slow saddle]

But did a dps warrior get in?

[latent moss]

there are 5 guilds

who killed lura

including id

ig they want to speed it up

[obtuse heart]

alltho this says that max lvl hc track also https://www.wowhead.com/news/bonus-rolls-are-returning-in-patch-12-0-5-with-knockout-system-380757

[latent moss]

actual nightmare boss holy

[thorn field]

haha dps war haha

[vapid pine]

Do we know if crafted becomes 298 or 295 ilvl?

[thorn field]

this photo is a great example of current tuning lol

[slow saddle]

So nerf lura more

[latent moss]

boss just mega sucks

for melee

[slow saddle]

Nah i mean

Warrior does way less st than dk

[thorn field]

right i forgot uh dks are basically ranged now

[slow saddle]

In ideal situarions for both

[latent moss]

ye but even if u did

same st

u would play uhdk

[slow saddle]

U could get anspot

[latent moss]

cause its a ranged spec

[slow saddle]

In a shitter guild

Ret isnt

[thorn field]

ret is as well

[slow saddle]

Ret needs melee now 2 get hp

[latent moss]

its a lot more ranged than warrior

[slow saddle]

Truest

[latent moss]

cant u do it like in s3 df

walk in autoattack

wait for half a swing

walk in

wak out

wait for full swing walk in

[slow saddle]

But surely 12.05 if col gets mooore and mpore st

[latent moss]

only crusading strikes is melee cause its auto attack

[slow saddle]

It has a chance

[latent moss]

if it gets a 30% st buff sure

[spring vale]

The ret cdm also has a swing timer if you track crusading strikes so its not bad at all

[latent moss]

yeye

[spring vale]

Not annoying to perform the dip in and out

[latent moss]

thats what i did in s3 df

[thorn field]

oh it actually gives you a swing timer? thats cool

[latent moss]

idk if its still doable

[charred brook]

Low key I played col arms on imperator reclear last night and it was pretty good

[latent moss]

would be pretty cool if we had one too

[thorn field]

to track what

[spring vale]

Its a bit wonky but it shows the "gcd" of crudasading strikes spinning which is basically your swing timer :p

[latent moss]

autoattacks

@thick kelp ye seems like ure right

Consuming an Ascendant Voidcore infuses an eligible weapon or trinket with additional power to increase its item level. Only fully upgraded Hero, Myth and maximum quality Radiance Crafted weapons and trinkets are eligible to become Ascendant Voidforged.

it never says ascendant voidforged is 295

its just upgraded

so hero track gear prolly goes to bit below myth

like 285

[slow saddle]

Y

Myth goes 298

Its a big ass weap

[grim anchor]

is slayer good too in m+

[spring vale]

Maybe safe to assume +10 ilvl

[latent moss]

man ion wanna pug mythic

[slow saddle]

For 1 more week yes

[latent moss]

will be good in .5 too

[slow saddle]

After that its col

[latent moss]

very very good

[late lantern]

im doing something wrong im only doing 400k on first pull AA as 275 ilvl slayer

[slow saddle]

Nah

[grim anchor]

hate single target col :((

[slow saddle]

Col is closin gap 100%

[latent moss]

i mean compared to col maybe idk

[slow saddle]

Its increasig a lot

[latent moss]

will see how it plays out

[dark minnow]

is arms single target in m+ bad or am i bad

[grim anchor]

alr thats fair

[latent moss]

colo bad slayer good

[slow saddle]

Also slayer seems 2 have lost way more ale

[latent moss]

depends what u play

[grim anchor]

its bad

[slow saddle]

Its not bad

But not grwat

[dark minnow]

im following the murlok io build and im doing well in aoe but st im getting outdpsed by the tank lol

[latent moss]

idk whats the build but sounds like colo

which makes sense but idk i dont get outdpsed by the tank

[grim anchor]

same tbh

[dark minnow]

can post a log give me a sec

[olive nest]

Paladins kill pull I didn’t have avatar or ravager for 15 seconds because they were on cooldown and I didn’t pay attention lol…

[latent moss]

classic

kill pull

1% wipe is a r1

kill pull is a 70

and its the worst luck the world has ever seen

[pseudo olive]

Is colossus gonna be better single target after .5 or is it still just an aoe only spec

[latent moss]

much better st

aoe is technically down by 1-3% but i think