arms

[hard dragon]

100k ST

[ionic mica]

as in, at the end of a boss with no amps

[slow saddle]

U never said peak 100k st mid lust?

[hard dragon]

Oh ok

I see

[ionic mica]

dude anyone can do 100k ST at 50% of a boss

just proc and stuff

[olive nest]

We peak 100k in the first 5 seconds

[slow saddle]

Uh dks callin

[olive nest]

So we’re even by your standards

[slow saddle]

Monks

[last saddle]

My DK sims at 115k st 😔

[slow saddle]

Ikr

[olive nest]

Illegal

[last saddle]

it’s so disgusting

[ionic mica]

yoda ends 87.8k btw which is still giga for keys ST

[slow saddle]

And does it as well

[olive nest]

[slow saddle]

Yeah like no1 is sayin ret doesnt have mad st

[ionic mica]

no shame in an 88k ST

exactly

[hard dragon]

What class is even doing 100k ST rn?

Lock?

[slow saddle]

Ret has never been better

Dk mayhaps

[quiet bramble]

why dafuq does blizz wanna nerf reap proc

[ionic mica]

ddh maybe idk, if you find someone who can play it

and they proc out their ass

[vapid pine]

Leggo season probably better

[dim basalt]

Ive also ended fights with 92k as Slayer

[ionic mica]

you can also have giga ST dont worry

[slow saddle]

Balanced dmg profile

[vapid pine]

Does it even matter though, your group needs balance, not each spec

[quiet bramble]

wut

[slow saddle]

Ofc, but it sure helps when puggin

[vapid pine]

You just played with shadow priest fire mage and moved on

[vapid pine]

True, pug meta is always cringe though

[slow saddle]

Ofc. But like havin great st

[vapid pine]

Like Arms pugging without windfury and I wanna kms

[slow saddle]

Gets u a spot

[slow saddle]

Did 3 keys today like that

Pure cancer

[ionic mica]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

its fine and those changes are reverted mostly

[slow saddle]

I vote skyfury, as a banner from warrior

Should be a warrior buff 2

[quiet bramble]

oh thank god

had me this for a second

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-glorpshit-glorp-glorp-cat-alien-cat-alien-gif-9384904690345916257

[olive topaz]

I like Skyfury being meaningful as long as Shamans find a spot in the meta

But will be hard if they ever dip out completely

End up like season of discovery

Begging someone in guild to play Feral so other people can have fun lol

[slow saddle]

I mean

2% mastery would always be great

20% more rage is annoyin

[olive topaz]

I like it in the sense that you can notice the effect in both damage and gameplay when grouped with a shaman

Was an aspect I enjoyed from Classic

[soft gust]

Rage starving because you dont have a shaman is awful design imo

[olive topaz]

As Slayer I don’t ever feel rage starved really

[hard dragon]

They could just let overpower generate rage 🙂

[modern cove]

What guide you guys recommend? I want to study priority and other things. Wowhead? Icyveins? Maxroll?

[hard dragon]

Biz made one

[hard dragon]

https://youtu.be/jsCiMCFdkfA

[olive topaz]

Wowhead guide probably a better general starting point

Biz guide mainly focuses on Colossus in high M+ specifically

Which if you’re just an average guy rocking up to a 10 you’re probably not gonna find much fun with

[shut token]

Can you make a decent aoe damage build without cleave as eihter slayer or colossus?

[soft gust]

Define decent

[short spear]

pretty sure cleave is liek the majority of our aoe

[soft gust]

Cleave is very important for AoE

Like over half your damage important

[olive topaz]

I don’t think most talent nodes would work or be accessible without it either

[ionic mica]

The best you could do would be slayer reaps and just pretend it's a 2t fight, but it would suck compared to cleave xD

[warm fog]

Fury exists

[viscid fossil]

im griefing 10s trying to learn colo an its fun

[hybrid needle]

Same. I also keep forgetting rend exists

[viscid fossil]

i blame blizz ui again

[shut token]

yeah i know I know but I want to make arms work :/

[viscid fossil]

imagine you could have a little greyed out button

like an indicator

an icon on you screen thats not bound to the dogshit cd manager

[hybrid needle]

Whats rend

[swift flame]

sometimes gives u 5 rage

[viscid fossil]

my problem is that rend didnt have space on the main bar so now its somewhere on the bottom and i dont keep it in mind xc

[swift flame]

it works by cleave doing 30% of ur aoe

[viscid fossil]

my basic ui was fine for every spec so far but arms. i need to add buttons again

[shut token]

Yes and sacrificing my ST damage

[soft gust]

Really good prio tho

With fervor

[swift flame]

slayer arms does a bit less then fury and both specs have mid to shit single target

if you want to do boss dam just play slayer arms, cleave isn't stopping you from having good enough single target

[shut token]

Yeah slayer arms seems like the best middle ground then maybe

just wish we didnt have to spend so many talents to get our aoe

[uncut hound]

so after the patch do we think that slayer arms is going to be more or less equal?

[shut token]

saw some arms slayers not taking cleave on murlok so was wondering how that works but i gues its from reap + sweeping strikes talents. Even though it doesnt do as much as cleave

[ionic mica]

there isnt that much ST to lose anyway its okay xD

and our aoe is yuge

[swift flame]

yer the talent tree kind of blows compared to some other specs who have easily accessible aoe talents, but on the upside arms has insane aoe

[hybrid needle]

Im more concerned that my shitty collossus is doing more ST than my thane

[swift flame]

you might be the collossus goat

[wet willow]

how can I display slam morphing into hs in my cdm?

[swift flame]

i thought it just does that by default

[vapid pine]

Do we have a slowcleanse other than Slayer charge and berserker rage?

[fleet goblet]

so we r all running from fury and goin arms?

[dim basalt]

By tracking Slam

[ionic mica]

played arms once a few weeks ago and never looked back

[dim basalt]

nope

[wet willow]

but I don't have slam as an option in cdm oO

[vapid pine]

Ok ty, kinda cringe in seat :/

[dim basalt]

Create a new profile, should appear then

[ionic mica]

bladestorm 🙂

if it lines up xD

[vapid pine]

Are you looking at buffs or spells?

[wet willow]

goat

[dim basalt]

I believe Slam was added to cdm with the Midnight release so any profiles created prior to that dont see it

Its a buggy mess

[wet willow]

must be

[hybrid needle]

There is no bugs in WoW, its features

[dim basalt]

Like the feature of vdh not being able to hide behind a rock on 1st boss pit?

[hybrid needle]

Exactly

[nova marsh]

Is it cuz their meta form is too tall?

[dim basalt]

No idea what was causing it

Sounds hilarious though

[nova marsh]

It would unironically be really funny

If it was just because their meta form is too tall

[latent moss]

bro i need to lock in on that boss

i saw farover pull the lich cadaver and warriors

with monksea

need to find out how they delay the lich

[ionic mica]

the monk just uses paralyse on the necro guy

[latent moss]

i guess parad by monk

[ionic mica]

and you get the other 4 1hp guys

[latent moss]

ye

[tropic tiger]

para or root litch

[ionic mica]

you can re para as he walks in or just let him come and kill with boss

[tropic tiger]

Not perma but long enough

[latent moss]

farover did 115k dmg

[ionic mica]

depends how long its taking

[latent moss]

on the boss

like boss damage

insane

[tropic tiger]

ye biz in his 20 had 100k st and only had them for like 60%

[latent moss]

and its going up in. 5

[tropic tiger]

col funnel is wild

[latent moss]

ye we didnt do it in 19 cause idk we didnt know

so i was slayer

but pit is a colo key

100%

[agile igloo]

Yo, so I saw the WCL polls, how we voting? Unethical gaming ftw orrrrrr nah?
My guess is like every raid all that pad gets removed from logs

[thick kelp]

yes no yes yes

[rare kite]

if you have a group that pulls mobs with bosses i think most keys are col keys. tho ofc you can't pull mobs onto every boss

[uncut bolt]

do i take a myth weap with mastery/vers or craft a 285 with crit/haste with embellishment?

[ionic mica]

sim but probably myth weap

weapon dps is big

[latent moss]

i think algethar is just slayer key

no way to pull shit on 2 dangerous bosses

well last boss isnt dangerous but its trollable

[nova marsh]

....Oh

Oh my

[rare kite]

yeah algethar i agree with. you can technically pull stuff onto last boss but man does that trash suck ass

[reef glade]

Any.. raid boss clears or

[pulsar frost]

its like blizz is telling me to go arms

[latent moss]

we used to pull 2 echoknights

after they smash

[little cypress]

does heroic track and myth track void core both buff to 298 or is the heroic lesser?

[latent moss]

gets insanely messy

[nova marsh]

I literally just did first two of voidspire and dream rift to try for trinkies

[little cypress]

the patch notes are ambigous

[reef glade]

Have you ever cleared future ones

Cuz that will not ever work

if you have

[nova marsh]

no

[reef glade]

but if youve only killed those 3 bosses since launch of patch then sure i guess, tho i think u just have better chances to have 3 slots to roll it

[nova marsh]

Tbh maxizing chances at trinkets in vault wasn't even my goal

[reef glade]

Vs playing for like a 2/12

not horrible odds just eh

[nova marsh]

I just didn't wonna full clear the raid

[reef glade]

yerp

[nova marsh]

On the other hand my rogue's luck is trash

[pallid linden]

Imminent Demise no longer requires Sudden Death to damage a second target to trigger Reap the Storm. can anyone explain to me if this is good or bad ?

[nova marsh]

Truly game wants me to play warr

[nova marsh]

good

It means we have Reap in ST ]

[pallid linden]

ah nice ty 🙂

[surreal spade]

glovess

[olive nest]

Hard pick gloves probably

Ring also good though

It’s cool to have the set

[hard dragon]

Ring or Cat pants 🤔

[misty yew]

is therea an addon that reminds you to refresh rend?

like flashign WA type thing

[hard dragon]

Can use CDM to display it

Like track the buff

[rose ibex]

I think i take trinket

[latent moss]

rend should glow red when its in pandemic window

[rare kite]

those trinkets are so meh tho

[rose ibex]

I have champ ones :(

[olive nest]

So guidon is omega but taking hero over myth tracks feels omega bad

[latent moss]

guidon is very good for colo

[rose ibex]

I thought light company is good

[latent moss]

it is

[nova marsh]

Myth track weap dosen't look bad

[rose ibex]

Ehh I have a crafted weapon

[olive nest]

I’d take the weapon anyway

[carmine tartan]

Why are u taking heroic trinkets that arent even good over mythic weapon or shoulders or belt lmao

[olive nest]

You want double Arcano at some point

And can craft it today

[rare kite]

tbf weapon only costs you 20 crests to upgrade if you have crafted weapon. that's why crafted weapon is so good

[rapid bronze]

the oozing vizage trinket sucks right?

[dense sphinx]

HMMMM WHAT DO

[rose ibex]

Trinkets are hard to get especially raid trinkets

[carmine tartan]

Ure trolling if u take a trinket but u do u

[rose ibex]

Yeah i think so

[olive nest]

That’s like a boot leg heart though

You’ll replace it with heart if you can kill vorasios

[rose ibex]

Is it really way better?

[rare kite]

IF you insist on trinket atleast wait til you cleared raid this week @rose ibex

[rose ibex]

Yeah probably a good call

[random trout]

ass

[rose ibex]

Weapon for double embellishment is probably a good investment

[dense sphinx]

solarflare prism is far from bis right

[olive nest]

It is a solid investment yes

[latent moss]

bis from m+

idk raid but im running heart + prism right now

in m+

aiming to replace prism with guidon

but other than guidon idk gaze sims lower

ig plume

[nova marsh]

damn

[dense sphinx]

i have heroic gaze, champ plume
and im not mythic raiding this tier

[nova marsh]

that shit is crazy

[dense sphinx]

im tempted by the neck ngl

[nova marsh]

Ain't no way you don't take trinkie

[stark pike]

Boys is it absolute troll if the sims tell me to take a Hero neck instead of any of the myth options from GV? Feels like I'm trolling but it is simming the best

[nova marsh]

show your options

[balmy kindle]

i think blizz wants me to keep subbing xd

[nova marsh]

Garfrost's isn't myth

[balmy kindle]

yeah but the other one is myth so i am taking that for sure (yes vers mast i know)

[nova marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5wSar4Yh9p8Dx9upwDmJHL I

Ngl I kinda don't wonna take hedge

[atomic chasm]

Is arms fairly easy? I'm a prot warrior with fury off spec

[atomic chasm]

I got this vault and I feel like I wanna take this 2 hander and try arms

[hybrid needle]

264 itemlevel, damn i suck

[jovial hare]

it's pretty straight forward, is say

[hybrid needle]

seems like i just cant get the AoE burst right

[balmy kindle]

press more

[nova marsh]

+Get more gear

[wooden lava]

isn't the game supposed to give loot from like all of the bosses you killed, why did I get two pieces of gear from the first boss

[umbral wagon]

How we feel about umbral plume as arms? I see it popping up on logs a bit. I guess the scarcity of it is because its newer/fought over from multi classes?

[nova marsh]

did you kill alerria?

[wooden lava]

nah

[balmy kindle]

hard to know but if u are clearing the dungeon it doesnt matter XD

[dim basalt]

It drops loot from all bosses up to the "highest" boss you killed

[wooden lava]

that's so stupid

the fact that there is no smart system is insane in 2026

I crafted embellished cloak

[hybrid needle]

Well it only was a 10. Its impossible to fail a 10

[wooden lava]

and I get the fucking cloak jackpot in my vault

[nova marsh]

Actually dumb question

how does the "highest boss" system work with multiple raids?

[umbral wagon]

dreamrift boss counts as "4th" boss apparently. Thats what ive been told

so it unlocks the first 3 of void's loot pool in vault

[wooden lava]

disgusting

[umbral wagon]

no idea if march does something similar to that

I dont think so tho

[viscid fossil]

noob questions while we are at it. if you kill a mythic boss, is the loot unlocked forever or just that week

[umbral wagon]

forever

[nova marsh]

forever

Until tier end\

[viscid fossil]

ty

[rare kite]

i think they mean that in the sense of difficulty, as in it's more difficult than saladbar(tho that's debateable)

[umbral wagon]

thats based on ppls vault loot. We had alts test it by killing first boss of void and then dreamrift

[rare kite]

oh rly, that's nice

[umbral wagon]

and out of like 20ish ppl it was only loot from the first 3+dream. small sample size for sure but I havent seen anyone else have data against it yet

[olive nest]

Optimal loot for us is probably first 3 void and dream rift then vault fishing until trinkets acquired

[nova marsh]

Guys

[olive nest]

For non progression players of course if you’re in a guild you just do whatever they’re doing

[nova marsh]

If you had an option between myth weap and myth heart of wind

which one you going for (I don't have crafted weap)

[olive nest]

What stats on the weapon?

[umbral wagon]

is it the pit weapon?

[nova marsh]

Vera mast

[olive nest]

Nope

[nova marsh]

It's hedecleaver

[umbral wagon]

no

[olive nest]

Vers sucks

[nova marsh]

Yeah

[inner wasp]

gross

[olive nest]

Take trinket

[nova marsh]

Heart of wind let's go

Dude I would've lost

[olive nest]

Pog grats!

[nova marsh]

150 haste LOL

😭 BROOO

[primal maple]

anyone know how to sim umbral plume instead of radiant

[nova marsh]

WHY IS IT TERRACE

[primal maple]

its in my vault as radiant

[nova marsh]

My assumption is to hit the + marker on the item

[rare kite]

can do it in topgear

[primal maple]

Its just asking to upgrade the crests

[rare kite]

go to topgear and search the item at the ilvl you want

[primal maple]

Ah

[nova marsh]

Oh that works too

[primal maple]

Did not know you could do that

[echo geode]

is it worth taking a myth weapon from vault with voidforge coming out? cause we can just upgrade our crafted weapon to 298 and i'd just have wasted a vault right?

[ornate pike]

guys dreadscale (tank trinket) is simming really high for me, like higher than gaze. could this be actually good?

[balmy kindle]

wait crafted weapons go to 298 on 12.0.5 ?

[primal maple]

ok so umbral plume is just beating gaze

guess itake that

[rare kite]

they go to whatever the step below regular myth weapon is

[balmy kindle]

yea iwas like thinking shdnt full M weapon be stronger

[dim basalt]

Was the forge even mentioned for .5?

[rose ibex]

Do you think my myth weapon is still best? It has crit mastery

[rose ibex]

WHAT

[olive nest]

Yes it has Crit

[rose ibex]

Thats a thing!?

[olive nest]

Any item with Crit and not vers is solid

[echo geode]

this post

[olive nest]

You of course don’t want giga mastery but you get the idea

[echo geode]

but

like idk if crafted go to 298 but some ppl are saying they are

[manic pasture]

Do we get another crafted peice this week?

If we did 4 + 2

[reef prairie]

Yes

[rose ibex]

So what are mythic 6/6 weapons ilvl?

[rose ibex]

Vers bad. Mastery good but not great

[echo geode]

i have no idea

there's a reddit post on it

but idk if it's true or not

i got offered a myth weapon in vault but may just have to wait

see how this shit actually works

[soft gust]

Myth 6/6 gear is 289, crafted is 285. Iirc

[echo geode]

yaya

[olive nest]

Bro they just couldn’t have made it ilvl 300 could they

[echo geode]

but the reddit post says all will go to 298

[rose ibex]

Yeah me too. Not sure what to do tho double embellishments still sounds good

[echo geode]

just the 1 dude saying it so idk if it's true or not

[soft gust]

Oh shit hadnt seen that

[echo geode]

idk i'm confused as hell ngl

[rose ibex]

It is supposed to be a goal of ours as double arcanoweave is stronger supposedly

Mostly just going by what wowhead says

Oh wait about the void forging.... yeah i dunno

[fossil thistle]

Without armed to the teeth is the extra armor worth using ove the stam?

Just for damage reduction on phys?

[olive nest]

How time gated is the void forge to 298 thing?

[rare kite]

lmao no. the armor is nonexistant

[fossil thistle]

Figured so. Just was curious, i've been using the stam one lol

[echo geode]

ye with the voidforging i mean, the double arcano with the myth weapon does sim better atm

may just wait a week and see what happens ol

[latent moss]

idk ive been using the armor one for armored to the teeth

maybe im trolling idk

[echo geode]

doesn't gimp me much anyway

[nova marsh]

I feel like it's personal pref

Techincally armor is more damage, but stam is nice.

They're both p minor

[floral ledge]

what post is it ?

[echo geode]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-ptr-development-notes/2270121

under ascendant voidcores section

[nova marsh]

If im behind on the quest does it matter

[floral ledge]

ty

[nova marsh]

Cuz honestly I keep forgetting to pick it up

[storm ruin]

Does anyone know why im so rage starved after doing opener ?

[floral ledge]

so 12.0.5 coming next week right ?

[echo geode]

np!

[echo geode]

i have no idea

[echo geode]

ye should be

[olive nest]

Had a guildy comment on that they thought I was crazy for not using the stam option

[rare kite]

there's catchup. i did a few this week coz i forgot

[nova marsh]

Nice

[rose ibex]

Is it significant? Still wondering if I should do hero raid and fish for trinkets

[inland drift]

do i gotta do that voidforge for alts too?

[echo geode]

wasn't significant at all, hard to tell cause it's upgrading low ilvl pieces and i don't have double embellishment yet but was a 3.1% increase to have it all equiped vs just crafted myth weapon

didn't dive too much into it though

[rose ibex]

The fact that we can just void forge weapons makes them less attractive for vaults :/

[echo geode]

im not 100% if it will all go to same ilvl

and also if it keeps embellishments or not etc

just wat information i could find online dk if its true or not

seems really weird if it goes live like that cause yea then weapons just become so inanely useless as a drop/vault

but its blizz who knows lol

[rose ibex]

I feel like this really needs to be fleshed out :P

[echo geode]

ikr

[fervent cedar]

Void forging will increase the ilvl of a crafted item or a fully upgraded myth or hero piece

The item will still have the embellishment if any

It will still be worth getting a weapon fully upgraded on myth track because it will still be a higher ilvl after forging it compared to a forged myth crafted weapon

The only thing that changed is the number of the ilvl, one still ends up being higher than the other

Also, for bonus roll, you wont be able to roll on a bosses loot table on myth track if you haven't killed it on mythic

So if youre not killing specific bosses on mythic that you need the trinket from, killing them on heroic for their trinkets is still worth it if they are a gain on droptimizer

Bonus rolls should be used on mythic+ rolls for the additional myth track items in that case

[novel jackal]

hehe the updates-midnight channels & Roles post says "Get pinged with updates from #360640837765431317-update" but the channel is called update-midnight

[rose ibex]

Are we sure that crafted weapons dont reach as high with void forge? I cant seem to find anything concrete on it

[runic rock]

Are arms warriors going collosus or slayer in high keys?

[fervent cedar]

Both

Depends on comp and dungeon

[runic rock]

Slayers got the better ST though right?

Seems more well rounded

[fervent cedar]

That is how turbo boost has worked in every other season, I see no reason they would suddenly change it and invalidate myth track weapons this time around

[fervent cedar]

Yes but colossus has nutty aoe and good funnel

[rose ibex]

Ohhh its a thing from past expansions. Good to know

Sounds like i should take the myth weapon from vault then eh?

[flint cedar]

Still just Heart of Ancient Hunger and Puzzle Box for Arms trinkets?

[echo geode]

tbf theyve never done a turbo boost the same way with voidforging and weapon/trinket forging to higher ilvls than other pieces like this before

[hard dragon]

Gaze dropped but poop roll

[fervent cedar]

They just added additional upgrade tracks

[rose ibex]

Puzzlebox kinda bad

[fervent cedar]

This is effectively the exact same thing

[fervent cedar]

Raid trinkets better than box

[rose ibex]

Amazing burst with setup but too awkward most of the time

[fervent cedar]

Plume

[echo tendon]

It's just you use a new system to upgrade instead of the upgrade track being extended

[fervent cedar]

Its not bad in aoe by any means

In st its not.great

[flint cedar]

Because I just got a Heart of Wind drop mythic track in the vault

[rose ibex]

Its awkward

2s cast time. Ugh

I hate it

[fervent cedar]

Can always

[rose ibex]

Algethar should stay away

[fervent cedar]

The dungeon is fine

The trinket is just anoying

[nova marsh]

na fuck that place

[rose ibex]

Nah I hate that dungeon haha

Tree boss is the only fun boss

[flint cedar]

I do. It sims higher - but 5 stank dps better than the Puzzle box. I am not that much of a diva to min max by 5 dps.

[echo geode]

hmm okay

[broken minnow]

What is bis trinket if I dont raid mythic?

[rose ibex]

Sim Sim sim

[fervent cedar]

Generally speaking heart punches way above its weight for us even on hero track and you cant go wrong with plume, but some dungeon trinkets on myth track may pull ahead

[cosmic vector]

I want to love playing arms so much but i feel like its so hard... 🙁

[calm surge]

Anyone else have threat problems on there arms warrior or is it just me

[cosmic vector]

You gotta make sure ur tank doesnt do a shit aggro, Cleave and mortal generates alot i think

[calm surge]

If it was just one tank i would think that, but most it happen on a lot of tanks

[cosmic vector]

Gotta make sure they've hit the mob first lol happened to me a few times

[thin quail]

when do you cleave on 2 targets? whats the condition?

[fervent cedar]

Play slayer its way easier than colo

[calm surge]

nope just hit colossus smash and 4 cleaves and pull threat on most trash mobs

[robust coyote]

Can anyone explain to me why my simmed single target patchwork is so incredibly worse than everyone else in my raid group when doing the raid droptimizer? I'm at 64k and so far everyone else is at 100k+.

[nova marsh]

I haven't had any major threat issues as either spec

[nova marsh]

A. Our st is pretty meh
B. Are you simming as colo?

[robust coyote]

I'm doing both colo and slayer

[nova marsh]

WEll colo has the worst st in the game rn more or less

[rose ibex]

Been hunting it since the start. It dropped twice in hero raid.... I rolled an 85 into a 90...

Then it double dropped in normal and was lucky enough to get a champ version of it :/

[robust coyote]

yeah that's why I did both. But colossus is only slightly behind slayer on the droptimizer sims

[mild sierra]

Got it first mythic week -> rerolll

Cus warrior lmao

[robust coyote]

I figured part of it out -- for some reason it simmed with no raid buffs or lust

[rose ibex]

I got alleria's neck on my spriest from the weekly box last week and it kinda solidified what my alt would be haha

[frigid lintel]

Guides say to sweeping strike and wait before Colossus so that you can have sweeping strikes from the Colossus. But then I'm holding onto it means waiting on demolish. If talented im assuming opener would be more like Avatar, Colossus, demolish, cleave until Ms? Sweeping strikes when out of charges? AOE m+

[cosmic vector]

It does seem easier but doesnt feel as rewarding at colo

[nova marsh]

Dont demo as your second gcd

[robust coyote]

you want the 5 stacks of might before demo

[nova marsh]

Do cleave + 1ms to get at least 5 stacks

[vast hinge]

vault dropped BIS wep or H Radiant plume .... Hmm

[nova marsh]

Sim it but probably weap if no crafted

[vast hinge]

have crafted wep lol

sims def say trinket

[frigid lintel]

Ah so you sweeping and Ms/cleave until you get the 5 stack might and go into Colossus and demo

[thick kelp]

no

[robust coyote]

shouldn't need to hold colossus smash, because you get the sweeping strikes stacks from colossus

[thick kelp]

you cs cleave 4x ms demo

[robust coyote]

just make sure you cleave out quickly then mortal strike and then demo because you'll have 5 stacks of might

[thick kelp]

if you have 0 stacks of might

[robust coyote]

don't forget rend application

[frigid lintel]

🙏 🙏 🙏 cheers that makes sense

And yes the rend on open

[daring heron]

get 10 stacks col might while tank is gathering

if you aggro, meld

if you aggro again, dbts

if you aggro again, yell at tank

[frigid lintel]

😂 😂

[mild sierra]

if you die, get a new tank

[robust coyote]

won't colossus fall off before you get 10 stacks? I thought 5 was plenty now with the change

[daring heron]

wdym

[sharp tide]

doesn't yell at qrva to give u a BoP come before this step

[slow saddle]

Take weap 100%

[daring heron]

tbf if you just look for keg smash you can just use those mobs to stack cm

they are safe to hit

[robust coyote]

I thought that you only needed 5 on the first pull to demo

[slow saddle]

Yeye 5 is fine

But why not 10

[thick kelp]

keg smash vs sigil of flame snap aggro

[slow saddle]

If u can

[daring heron]

sigil of flame is prolly still bugged and does 0 aggro sometimes

[robust coyote]

what's the advantage to going to 10 if there's a chance your colossus smash debuff expires on the targets

[slow saddle]

Ms + op for reset

Lol

[livid basin]

it is

[slow saddle]

U dont.smash brother

Are u mad

[daring heron]

this is while tank is gathering, so before colsmash

[slow saddle]

He is just stackin

[robust coyote]

makes sense

[daring heron]

if you colsmash before tank has finished gathering you'll probably die

[robust coyote]

alright I'll do that on my next one

I've just been going to 5 and full sending. So I'm assuming you are casting sweeping then during the initial pull to get more stacks from MS?

[slow saddle]

No

[livid basin]

but not tank but warrior 😄

[slow saddle]

It takes sev globals 2 gather

[west fable]

If I go Arms, and currently have the 285 ilvl crafted weapon - is there any planet where I take this Emberdawn shitter just for pure ilvl gains?

[slow saddle]

Yes

Ilvl is king for weap

[calm surge]

Critcake you hit like a truck when you play colossus arms do you have threat problems in your keys or am i jist playing with bad tanks?

[slow saddle]

Just craft cloak // bracer with emv

[daring heron]

yes just sweep when the key has started, during the countdown

[robust coyote]

thank you

[daring heron]

i havent had issues with pug tanks

[rose ibex]

Vers kinda poop

[olive nest]

I wouldn’t take a vers weapon personally I would just stick with crafted another week an try again

[slow saddle]

Rly?

A bit of versa fine no?

[fervent cedar]

To be fair we are getting .5 ilvl boost very soon

[olive nest]

I mean sure but 0 is best

[fervent cedar]

So you can kinda get away with waiting

[slow saddle]

Why?

U dont use reck oot

[west fable]

Is the .5 boost taking crafted weapons to the same ilvl as Mythic?

[slow saddle]

No

[fervent cedar]

It'll still be behind myth weap

But if you don't get a myth weap

Won't be as punished

[slow saddle]

Its just the same?

Gap is equal?

[spring vale]

the ascendant voidcore thingies we're getting in 12.0.5 let you boost a crafted weapon/trinket from 285 to 298 (natty myth items get boosted just as much)

[slow saddle]

289*

If not that would fuck🤣

Natty 14ilvls on weap

[rose ibex]

I keep hearing mixed things about this. Some people say crafted weapons can go up to 298 but some say they'll be weaker than myth weapons

[rose ibex]

Like only 6/6 hero and myth weapons can go up to 298

[slow saddle]

For real

Melee gettin 14 ilvls?

Wait thats not crafted

So.

[sharp tide]

no

[slow saddle]

295 for crafties?

[sharp tide]

They havent posted any pictures from crafted weapons so we dont really know

[slow saddle]

This season is a mess then?

Only weap + trinkets get upgraded?

[spring vale]

I wish they would've posted a pic of a radiance crafted

[slow saddle]

Does it req cresties

[spring vale]

yeah here's post

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bonus-rolls-are-returning-in-patch-12-0-5-with-knockout-system-380757

[rose ibex]

There has been nothing confirming if crafted weapons go up to 298, but apparently they have normally been weaker with similar boost mechanics

[spring vale]

scroll to bottom ascendant voidcores

[slow saddle]

Hmn so if its only weapons

[blissful gull]

is there a huge difference between arms and fury for m+ still?

[slow saddle]

Would be fair for it to go same tbh

[spring vale]

weap + trinkies kinda big

[slow saddle]

No

Not unless u are going for title?

In a stable grp

[slow saddle]

Rly big

And preferable 2 all pieces for us🤣

Melee gain more from weap than castees

[rose ibex]

This makes it sound like crafted weapons can be just as strong

[slow saddle]

Would be nice tbg

[spring vale]

yeah thats why its so ambiguous so far

[sharp tide]

if not bonus rolls on pit of saron gonna be really good anyways

[slow saddle]

Facts

[sharp tide]

Ring , belt and neck is really good from there anyways

[slow saddle]

Rings we use thr set no

[alpine vine]

Is a naked rend a better filler than slam/heroic strike on more than 2 targets?

[rose ibex]

Like i would prefer to have a weapon with perfect stats over a mythic weapon with half good stats...

[slow saddle]

Y

• its allready crafted

[rose ibex]

But we cant know for sure

[slow saddle]

Ofc not

What bout fury

[rose ibex]

If the crafted weap is weaker im gonna be choked i didnt pick the myth weapon from my vault

[slow saddle]

Need 2 do it twice or

[rose ibex]

True. If I take mythic weapon I can also play fury

[tacit crystal]

gm critcake

[slow saddle]

I played furu so i have a master versa 2h🤣

[tacit crystal]

tenki no ko check

[rose ibex]

Gross vers

[fervent cedar]

Never press hs in 3+ targets

Always cleave

[sacred zodiac]

what if i dont have cleave talented

bet you feel silly now

[fervent cedar]

Then cry

[tacit crystal]

spongie what if anda was on aug again

[sacred zodiac]

do you often wish your friends and loved ones insufferable pain

[tacit crystal]

only myself

its why i do keys with @reef glade

[spring vale]

dogmentation evoker

[undone aurora]

Do you guys bother with simming multitarget

I think I asked here and someone just said patchwerk 1

But isn’t that single target

[alpine vine]

Ah of course, ty

[rare kite]

nahh i just sim st

[drifting sparrow]

Sooooo should I be switching over to arms for raid yet?!

[undone aurora]

Cause ideally I wanna see what trinkets would do me best in vault from m+ bc I have myth puzzle box but I hate it

So annoying to use

Obvs gaze of all seer if I get it but I was thinking abt solar flare prism

But it only seemed like a small upgrade on patchwerk 1

[sharp tide]

with the bonus rolls on 12.0.5 you can kinda target a mythic gaze by putting prot loot spec and making it a 1/3

[hybrid needle]

Or you can get 2 myth items from dungeons if u dont play raid

[sharp tide]

yep

[latent moss]

gaze isnt that good for arms

heart from vorasius is a lot better

[undone aurora]

I have heart but only champ track

[sacred zodiac]

why dr biz say its bis? noob

[latent moss]

idk

[undone aurora]

What two trinkets do you guys think are best to aim for

[latent moss]

its losing to solarflare prism to me

[sacred zodiac]

you are losing to me

[latent moss]

i think heart + guidon

for m+

[undone aurora]

Cool cool ty

[vast helm]

GAZE+HEART?

[rare kite]

idk it sims higher than anything else for me. got heart in other slot

[vast hinge]

is heart even good?

[rare kite]

yes

[vast hinge]

oh oops for osme reason i thought heart was heart of wind lol

[rare kite]

oh lmao heart of wind doesn't even exist in my mind

[nova marsh]

I mean heart of wind ain't bad

It's like 3rd best M+ trinket no?

[rare kite]

yea it's not bad for a m+ trinket. it's just raid trinkets are big good this tier

[nova marsh]

As per usual feels like

[spring vale]

vorasius trinket fucks

[rose ibex]

Rogue boy

[sacred summit]

guys whats the best way to improve my damage in keys?
been trying arms and my damage seems the same as or lower than fury. been mainly doing 12s and 13s though. does arms not shine until i get to 14+ or unless the tank gigapulls constantly?
for raid encounters i can look at my logs but i havent tried looking at logs for keys

[rose ibex]

Being extremely reckless to maintain uptime on mobs

Think less

[sacred summit]

i mainly play slayer and i get about 100k?~110k dps but idk if giving an "average number" is accurate since it depends on keys and how the tank pulls, etc.
i think i do about or slightly higher than that as fury but ill have to run the same dungeon twice in both specs with similar routes/runs to fully know so some of this is feelcraft

[rose ibex]

If you rub your two brain cells together fast enough, you can start a fire

Great for cold winter nights

Performance is tank dependent too

Is something ive learned

[sacred summit]

the hardest thing for me rn is maintaining rend and sweeping strikes, and doing the correct rotation as the situation changes cuz our prio changes from aoe -> 2 target -> st -> 2t/st execute

[rose ibex]

Colossus absolutely annihilates large concentrated pulls

[sacred summit]

so i find myself getting pretty confused often

[rose ibex]

But fury dominates in smaller pulls

[sacred summit]

bro i only got 1

[nova marsh]

Okay

colo is jacked

[rose ibex]

Cut it in half

[shut token]

does whirlwind trigger reap the storm or is it only cleave if i talent into it? (Besides mortal strike)

[sacred summit]

ait fam good advice i gotchu

[rose ibex]

BIG MUSCLES

[rose ibex]

Me smrt

[nova marsh]

I PULLED A HOLY GAPPERS

[real pendant]

myth vault weapon at 6/6 is simming lower than my current crafted weapon

[nova marsh]

I'll show after dungeon done thou

[sacred summit]

ye i started arms as colo but i was told to go slayer first cuz its easier to learn the spec as so thats what im doing rn

should i be looking at my key logs ?

[rose ibex]

Slayer is a more generic profile

[sacred summit]

or should i just keep grinding until the rotation variations are muscle memory

[sacred summit]

yea that and my st damage as colo was fucking trash
and in 12s-13s we dont do that much gigapulls for pull trash into boss strats, etc.

[rose ibex]

There are some basic principles to master but im hardly an expert on them. I just yap the stuff people tell me

[sacred summit]

so i guess im mainly asking
is fury better than arms on average till i get to 14+
and
how can i improve my m+ skillz? logs?

[sacred summit]

xd

[rose ibex]

Oh colossus is bottom tier single target

But if you pull trash to boss it has above average single target. It excels at 3 targets

[sacred summit]

ngl tho other than when i played enhan shammy some seasons ago arms warrior (esp considering this is post pruning) is the most complex and clunky specs ive played

im overloaded at all the shit i need to track and remember

to play optimally

[paper tendon]

damn did so many sims and single target slayer raid talents can't beat fury mythic dungeon talents lol wtf.. 5k dps off

[rare kite]

arms got the tiniest bit of pruning

still needs more, blizzard please remove ravager

[wide needle]

He'll yeah got the trinket thst makes me big from vault

[rose ibex]

Arms is like a bell curve of complexity

Beginners: spin and cleave blends

Intermediate: arms is a complex spec that requires good rotation and decision making

Experts: spin and cleave blends

[wide needle]

We eating now

[warped crypt]

Big mythic weapon for arms. Decent vault overal, big crit/haste neck, haste/mast ring, and haste/mastery boots. But we go weapon because, well weapon, and now I can take off the emb on my weapon and put it on cloak/bracers

[nova marsh]

I legit

Trashed the entire group

[pulsar finch]

Anyone got a macro to drop ravager at yourself?

[nova marsh]

+10 seat for big score

[nova marsh]

It's targeted now

[rose ibex]

Rogue boy building muscles

[nova marsh]

you can't use macros

[pulsar finch]

Ah darn, thanks!

[robust coyote]

#showtooltip Ravager
/cast [@cursor] Ravager

this will auto throw it where your cursor is

[nova marsh]

I would've done a lot more but last boss the DK trolled and literally ran around

[nova marsh]

That dosen't work

Because ravager is now a thrown ability at your target

not a ground target

[rose ibex]

Your dk is definitely trolling at 71k

[robust coyote]

that's pretty intersting, I guess I just haven't noticed

[rose ibex]

The most busted numbers ive seen have all been DKs

[nova marsh]

He also delayed the damage amp lmao

by running around the boss in cirlces with horsie for some reaosn

[rose ibex]

I wish ravager was soemthing cooler

Like you chuck rhe weapon so hard it creates an earthquake

[nova marsh]

Also

[rose ibex]

Instead of stupid magic spinning weapon

[nova marsh]

Unironically destroyed the second boss

that was disgusting

[latent moss]

idk

its a low ass key

[rose ibex]

Really, instead of ravager it should be something more single target focused so the choice node becomes bladestorm or mega single target nuke/buff

[latent moss]

uhdk needs stuff to live

[rose ibex]

Im just being an asshat

[latent moss]

idk also uhdk doesnt even do that much damage atp

demo lock exists

[rose ibex]

Want to pump rogue boy up

[fluid sequoia]

is it worth learning slayer for keys? I just started learning colossus but i feel lke my single target is super mid

[latent moss]

nothing to learn

about slayer

[fluid sequoia]

thank you colossus arms warrior the 2nd

[latent moss]

it has worse aoe, nowhere near as bursty as colo

so in low keys its prolly not gonna do too good

but st is good

[fluid sequoia]

what counts as low keys here

10s?

[rose ibex]

Slayer is good for when bosses are more dangerous than the packs

I like slayer for agalthar

[latent moss]

im doing a lot more in 18s 19s

than in 14s 15s

as slayer

[sacred summit]

lmfaoooo but experts are like
spin and cleave 🗿 cuz theyre probably alr good and know to maintain everything

[latent moss]

stuff just lives long enough

i still do a lot less than colo on trash

but keys like algethar are definitely slayer

if u can pull ontop of boss its colo key

[sacred summit]

sooooo anyone able to anser me pl0x

[latent moss]

farover did 115k on 1st boss pit

115k dps on boss

not total just on boss

as colo

in a 20

[rare kite]

revvez da goat(saladbar)

[latent moss]

Revvezj

goat

[fluid sequoia]

is that slayer? for that raid

[rose ibex]

I just try to press execute twice before MS in execute phase. Press cleave in st at max colat stacks. Otherwise you do your basic opener when you can and send CS on cd

Single/2 target i press MS on cd

3+ press cleave on cd

The rest is figuring out what to press in between

[latent moss]

the only who can do more damage there

is revvezt

sorry not revvezt

revves

[fluid sequoia]

hmm gotcha so for this class u really have to swap around specs per dungeon

[rare kite]

yea very likely. can't imagine col on saladbar

[latent moss]

sylvanas

hooooly

[latent moss]

yep

[sacred summit]

max what stacks? is this colo or slayer or both
also we are supposed to press cleave in st when target is under 35% hp right

[fluid sequoia]

so far in my keys we havent been pulling mobs into the boss so idk how to manuever around that

[rose ibex]

Im not sure what to play for magisters. Bosses are easy but usually pretty thick. Trash pulls are huge but the most threatening things are always specific mobs in those pulls

[fluid sequoia]

never seen it happen in low keys(10-13)

[latent moss]

i played slayer in 19

3 st bosses

[sacred summit]

i dont think it happens

[rare kite]

throw slurs at your tank

[fluid sequoia]

w idea

lmao

i not doin that 🤣

[latent moss]

the only trash i feel like is dangerous

is spellbreakers

before 2nd boss

[rose ibex]

Not really sure. Thats something I kinda struggle with figuring out. I just know you build colat stacks from hitting things with sweeping strikes so if that isnt happening I usually drop 1 cleave and forget about it on bosses

[latent moss]

2*

u pull wyrms on top of first

[rose ibex]

Tyrants needs to die ASAP I feel

[latent moss]

well in our new route we chain pyromancer after ignition with wyrms on boss

[rose ibex]

Big voidwalkers and spellbreakers are annoying

[latent moss]

ye but slayer kills them too

fast enough

[rose ibex]

Pyromancers can kill people if they are ignored as well

[latent moss]

just kick and press a defensive on ignition

[fluid sequoia]

in raid is it basically only slayer? i know there are cleave fights but is it worth specing col just for that

[latent moss]

u can sr it and its enough

on expulsion just dstance with stance mastery

im legit not taking damage in that dungeon

apart from spellbreakers

[rose ibex]

Oh yeah im saying im not sure which spec is best for it. It has giant pulls but the most dangerous things are certain mobs that need to be zerged down asap

[latent moss]

ye but at the end of the day u waste the most time on bosses

idk i have to try colo to have a real opinion

i think the highest magisters ive done as colo is 17

[rose ibex]

I feel like you can comfortably play slayer in everything but some dungeons colo has an edge

[latent moss]

maisara pit seat are colo keys 10000%

[rose ibex]

Yeah for sure

Maisara especially

[nova marsh]

Seat with colo is actually disgusting

I can't believe it

[minor gust]

Really doesn't matter at the end of the day you will time any key as slayer or coko

[rose ibex]

But I dont feel bad for playing slayer on them either

[latent moss]

the only problem with colo is that u lose a fuck ton of time on first boss in seat

u pull those wyrms on opener but thats about it

[nova marsh]

it's okay

It might get fixed next week

[rose ibex]

I hate it when that boss bugs out and disappears

[latent moss]

i hate the pools

they insta tick

and oneshot

and while its spreading

[minor gust]

Cant greed a charge when he leaps

Gotta let him come back

[latent moss]

i feel like its spreading a bit faster than the visual indicates

[rose ibex]

Theres a few pools like that

Windrunner bird pools extend further than they look i swear

[latent moss]

farover is just playing colo in every key

goat as usual

[rose ibex]

Im curing my altitis by playing colossus and slayer spontaneously

[minor gust]

Is he still playing with the same people no coms lol?

[rose ibex]

I've learned I enjoy a class a lot more if both hero specs are viable in the same content

[umbral badger]

bro when you see how good funneling is for colossus in biz 20 pit key

makes me hate playing with randoms

[rose ibex]

Wondering if colo might be playable in raid after 12.0.5 changes

[latent moss]

idk he is with monksea

gamer comp i swear

i feel like this season phys will be on par with "meta"

[minor gust]

Same people prob yeah he played with monksea all tww

[latent moss]

have u seen

his 19 pit overall

242

ive never seen that

even with aug

ive never seen 242k

[minor gust]

Nah I haven't. Haven't had much time to play outside of raiding lately

Hot damn I mean that sounds about right you get nasty funnel for 2 of the bosses

And it's nonstop big pulls

[tacit crystal]

@fresh spire do you has number

[fresh spire]

gone from like 96k to 100k

colossus st was from like 86k to 94k

[rose ibex]

Damn man. That ilvl is nuts

[tacit crystal]

big in keys though no?

[minor gust]

I'm also 279 xD

[latent moss]

is it bigger in m+ build

[rose ibex]

You're both THICK

[tacit crystal]

has to be no?

[latent moss]

im 274 xdddd

[minor gust]

No raid life

[latent moss]

not raiding this tier

happens

[rose ibex]

Oh thats farover haha

[latent moss]

sitting at

like 200 myth crests

[rose ibex]

Im mostly m+ and pug raids myself

I think im.... 275 ilvl

[tacit crystal]

@finite tree

[finite tree]

sup

[umbral badger]

i was hoping colossus will be about 4k less but i guess 6k is better than before

[latent moss]

.

[fresh spire]

i mean the gap between colossus is much closer than it was before

[minor gust]

What you think about the aoe between the two? Is Colo just exploding ahead?

[tacit crystal]

#arms message

[fresh spire]

still think colossus is the winner due to ST buffs

[rose ibex]

In 12.0.5?

[minor gust]

Pretty much my fear. If Colo St closes the gap it will be harder to play slayer

[fresh spire]

then again, ive not resimmed to check for SD reap

[minor gust]

Assuming aoe is the same situation

[fresh spire]

was like 4% st

this was before reap being reverted

from like 2 weeks ago

[latent moss]

so basically its just colo

[fresh spire]

slayer st will be closer to 91/92k if i had to guess in the key build

[umbral badger]

so when you said 100k slayer 94k colossus was that with or without reap reverted

[nova marsh]

tbh if colo gets reasonable st

[fresh spire]

with

[nova marsh]

I'd rather play colo

[latent moss]

same

[umbral badger]

ok thanks god

[latent moss]

i prefer colo

[nova marsh]

Cuz no slayer rng.

[minor gust]

So slayer still ends up with a comfy 10k lead

[umbral badger]

thanks god i did not wanna feel forced into slayer forever again

[rose ibex]

Big demolish crits are intoxicating

[stable fiber]

my dk sims at 115k

[nova marsh]

But I do like having both as options

[stable fiber]

no big deal

[rose ibex]

But I love the faster feel of slayer

[stable fiber]

270 ilvl

[fresh spire]

dk sims well but plays like shit in comparison

[stable fiber]

yeah

[fresh spire]

honestly think warrior numbers on sims are pretty close to raid preformance

[latent moss]

idk i regularly outdps my sim

[stable fiber]

feel like it has some big variance though

[minor gust]

I don't see slayer ending up being bad. But if you wanted to choose between slayer or colo it's probably gonna be Colo all the time again

[nova marsh]

It's okay

[latent moss]

it does ye

[nova marsh]

if I want something diffie I just go fury

[latent moss]

but the higher the key the more it evens out

still tho if u lust and just get unlucky with sd

gg dps

[umbral badger]

to be fair , sorting by boss damage dks are top on all fights but 2

[latent moss]

especially on lura man

[umbral badger]

so they are fine as they are

[latent moss]

i had keys where i did 130k

and 90k

[fresh spire]

but how many bosses just have the bosses, not many really.

[latent moss]

on lura

[umbral badger]

i know i know, it's just better than what we had to go through of doing zero boss dmg :d

[daring heron]

i predict col every key too

[sturdy flicker]

lets gooo can finaly make 4 piece

[fresh spire]

i could fully see colossus being played on dragons in .5 without cleave

[daring heron]

are you catalyzing that

[nova marsh]

Bro don't cata

[thick kelp]

I think thats a raidbots tooltip

[rose ibex]

Prolly should take weapon right?

[sturdy flicker]

was a bait lol

[thick kelp]

knew it

[sturdy flicker]

made my warrior buddy furiouse when i did it to him so had to try here lol

[latent moss]

are u doing tech in pit

[fresh spire]

ill get some more numbers later

[latent moss]

first boss

[minor gust]

But why would you tho? Unless you wanted to play omega ethical. Colo already does pretty decent boss dmg on that fight in M+ builld

[latent moss]

pull lich para it

and funnel from 0hp mobs

[daring heron]

bro soon enough those orbs will die in less than a second

[sturdy flicker]

so get used to colo ?

[fresh spire]

turbo boss smasher, demolish sender, ms nuker

[daring heron]

yes

[umbral badger]

i hope so, i still don't see it cuz getting sweeping strikes talents is just 25% or 35% of the commitment towards cleave build

[fresh spire]

on our kill i just used CS and demo before adds then send the 4x cleave into adds

i couldn't demolish intimne

[daring heron]

yeah its crazy

[sturdy flicker]

i demo first should i not be

[daring heron]

i precasted demo and hoped for the best

[umbral badger]

tbh warcraft logs should stop showing us orb dmg, it's pointless.

[umbral badger]

that's what i am doing too

[nova marsh]

I believe there's a poll for that currently

[daring heron]

they died before my 1st followup cleave

[rose ibex]

I just hope both hero specs are reasonably close in all content after .5

I really like playing both

[sturdy flicker]

my guild and your guild have different issues hahaha

[nova marsh]

Same

instead of kinda just having to play one like outlaw

[rose ibex]

Flip your coin

[umbral badger]

yup it's like you have to cs demo and if you have to ravager before so that you could fit a few cleaves in, if i try to CS the adds they die before i hit xd

[rose ibex]

Ooo heads or tails?

Roll ma dice! Lucky 7s!

[nova marsh]

Lucky 7s?

Na chief if I roll without loaded it's a 1

evrey time

[minor gust]

With my guild our dks were gripping to me was usually able to get demo + 1 or 2 cleaves off

[nova marsh]

Ngl at this point I get genuinely surprised when I roll anything that isn't a 1 without Loaded

[rose ibex]

Haha I know nothing about outlaw except for the memes my buddy keeps spouting

[nova marsh]

4s DON'T EXIST

IT'S OVERRR

Seriously let me play warr for at least today lmao

[rose ibex]

I fiddled with it a bit and sometimes I get like 3 or 4 free between the eyes casts in a row and do big dam and sometimes I do nothing :D

[umbral badger]

TBF though, most ppl will have lost boss dmg to get some cleave talents for those orbs, if ppl stop doing that colossus can still do his role a bit :p

[nova marsh]

If you've played slarms

that's basically outlaw

expect with 2 layers of rng in dice + eyes

[rose ibex]

Slarms seems much simpler

[nova marsh]

It is

[rose ibex]

Mash sudden death procs

Spin more!

Weeee

[nova marsh]

man

at least arms dosen't have to do pre key shit

[umbral badger]

sadge, they think it's selfish if i asked that although it's better for everyone xd so i just demo before.

[nova marsh]

Thank god, love just slamming it and balling

[rose ibex]

CRUNCH woosh woosh woosh woosh clang spinnnnnnnnnnn

[nova marsh]

unironically both rogue and warrior have pretty good sfx imo

[rose ibex]

Wish the gun had more pop

[nova marsh]

na man

replace the gun sfx

[rose ibex]

Loved the vanilla gun sounds

[umbral badger]

@fresh spire so % wise, does m+ colossus get more out of the buff than ST colossus builds ? or the other way around ? cuz i am wondering if M+ colossus will actually feel like it exists if no funnel

[nova marsh]

with the hunter gun sfx from classic

[rose ibex]

I think outlaw needs more explosions

[nova marsh]

I want my ear drums to be blown out evrey time I rpess pistol shot

Holy shit could you imagine that sfx with fan

that'd be hilarious

[rose ibex]

I want to chuck a barrel that explodes when I shoot it

[nova marsh]

ya know what I want

I want a new mage spec

that is just whismy incarnate

[rose ibex]

Mage support spec

Bartender

[nova marsh]

If you play warframe and have seen Follie

[rose ibex]

Pours people drinks

[nova marsh]

I want that as a wow class

[rose ibex]

Listens to their stories

[nova marsh]

that shit sounds so good

[rose ibex]

Provides emotional support

[nova marsh]

You mean therapist

[rose ibex]

Mages are usually unhinged individuals

Not to be trusted with doctorates

[umbral badger]

which fight did critcakes sit out cuz warriors are bad on that fight? belo'ren

or crown

[nova marsh]

I'm more impressed

That he's reached belo

[latent moss]

mr strimmer privilege chatting

[umbral badger]

so it is belo ? cuz i see warriors struggling on both crown and belo'ren

[nova marsh]

I don't know

I'm just saying

Someone reaching into march pretty early is impressive

[sharp wyvern]

birb got another nerf maybe we´ll see warriors there now

[umbral badger]

i see, i got scared when he said "warriors are so bad on this fight i am sitting out" xd

[lucid niche]

Voidvlaw gloves in vault, take ‘em?

[umbral badger]

but when you check crown and beloren, warriors are MISERABLE

no boss dmg or overall dmg