arms

[reef glade]

and do some good st buffge

[thick kelp]

arms bis profile doesnt use seat gloves nor ring set

gloves are actually bad but ring set sims within variance for ST but falls off in aoe

[safe jay]

Walhe i got smoked from my rl because i told him Beloren Mythic is Arms boss

only log is fury so basically 100% of available data is fury xD

[safe jay]

based on our last weeks discussion last 3 bosses are Arms ones if you remember

[reef glade]

apook ruining it for everyone

[safe jay]

xD

[craggy anvil]

Leveled my warrior to lvl 90 right now, what crafts are the way to go then, weapon without Embellishment and bracers/cloak with arcanoweave?

[reef glade]

those r fine, weapon embell pretty good too so up to you to sim which embell combo better

[daring heron]

best dps warrior spec on belo is bench

[safe jay]

dont tell him that

i already showed him your Streams on Crown " Look warri not that bad" but still bench.

Melee seems to be suboptimal across the board on that fight but whatever

[untold pewter]

Wowhead guide

[slow saddle]

BUT hear me out

Collosus arms ? in 12.05 ?

for the ones like me that will be slow to him ?

[leaden garnet]

Here's a crazy take about which spec is better for which encounter: unless you're aiming for an orange or better parse, stick with the spec you know how to pilot and which has all of your muscle memory :)

[fast warren]

what if you dont know how to pilot either of them

[eager current]

Anybody make sense of the patch notes? So In the end what happens with slayer sudden death and the colossus changes?

In the development notes it says no longer works with sudden death but in the additional changes it says it doesn't need an additional target?

[untold pewter]

Most of us know that and many of us can pilot whichever spec

Hence the frequent discussion

It's not a crazy take it's the baseline

[dim basalt]

Essentially they got rid of any kind of nerfs and kept all buffs

[inland drift]

yaay

[dim basalt]

SD Reap works as it does now and we got the 20% BS damage in addition, afaik

[inland drift]

finally some good news

unlike in midnight getting nerfed 5 times

[dim basalt]

And demolish will still reduce by 5 seconds per excess CM stack

[inland drift]

i wish i could change the sound of demolish

[vapid pine]

If they just want us to line up bladestorm and demolish with CS, is there any design reason why they're not just affected by anger management and that's it?

[dim basalt]

Demolish already lines with CS, thats the thing

Assuming aoe you will now be able to have one demolish between a cs + demo window

Cuz the cd is around 15s

[vapid pine]

Oh shit mb, didn't think that would have any chance of happening

[dim basalt]

According to Walhe the cd of demo in .5 is around 15 seconds

So you hold a few seconds at most

[vapid pine]

Even worse tbh, stuck in channel twice as often 💀 But that's a taste thing then

[eager current]

But in wowhead the latest post says otherwise no?

[dim basalt]

Slayer will still do fine

[silk rock]

so is slayer cooked now is collosus the way to go ? when new patch

[dim basalt]

But col will defo catch up in terms of ST dps

I believe reading about a 7% ST buff

[dim basalt]

Both hero specs will be good

In a team col will always be better in certain keys

Dont think col will be exclusively meta

[silk rock]

no sudden death giving slayer 100% reap will suc k

[dim basalt]

But we do have that

[reef prairie]

well i've got good news for you

[dim basalt]

Thats what last nights ptr changes were about

[silk rock]

feeel shit i like getting that proc

oh ???

[dim basalt]

ye

[reef prairie]

they reverted that

[silk rock]

fk yeah awesome

[dim basalt]

So unless they change any numbers .5 will be a huge W for Arms in general

[eager current]

Is there an article yet?

We can read?

[dim basalt]

Not yet

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

Everything is in here

This channel is your friend

[silk rock]

thanks!

[eager current]

It's my best friend

[silk rock]

will read

[dim basalt]

Official patch notes should come this week

[eager current]

My only consolation

[untold pewter]

Either track the updates channel here or wait for the final blizz blue post

[eager current]

Why is sudden death giving reap the storm bad?

[reef prairie]

wdym

[untold pewter]

It isn't

[minor gust]

It's not

[dim basalt]

Its not but Blizz kinda believes that

[eager current]

Oh read some comment above wrong

Thanks guys

[dim basalt]

@latent moss When do you use cds on last boss caverns? It genuinely feels cursed at times, probably because Im not using them correctly

And I cba playing that key a bunch of times to try different things

[proud willow]

I see that a lot of arms play colossus over slayer but between the keys im playing 12-14 i actually feel like i do more dmg with slayer. should that be the case? Just feel Colossus boss dmg is pretty bad.

[minor gust]

Both specs are good and both are being played at high level

Genuinely play what you want

[proud willow]

thats good news, i really like slayer's playstyle over colossus but was wondering as i push 15 and above does that cost a key

[dim basalt]

Nah it definitely doesnt

You can play Slayer in every key

Some keys are a bit col favored assuming you have a really good tank, due to aoe requirements, damage amps or boss mechanics but playing Slayer in those is still far from griefing

[valid walrus]

I don't get the ID change, what does it exactly mean?

[minor gust]

Ignore it the change was fully reverted to how it works right now

[valid walrus]

Ah thanks, that's why I was thinking , it is just so confusing with their constant changes

[minor gust]

It's not confusing

[thick kelp]

Eroka killed it as arms 1st

but Honestly doesnt publicl og

so you can tell your raid lead that its Arms or bench

[safe jay]

real

[thick kelp]

cuz why the FUCK would you play fury on a 1T / 3T boss

Xd

[safe jay]

i asked myself the same question

[dim basalt]

Nono, why would you play Fury in general

[thick kelp]

more popular doesnt mean better

[safe jay]

im thinking about completely swapping to arms on all bosses. Still a little hesitant because my fury gear is better I think but whatever

[fresh spire]

Arms is starting to edge fury out in raid as pads getting smaller and smaller

[thick kelp]

Me when I pad on dragons as arms instead

[fresh spire]

Its arms job. Its boss damage to press cleave at the stack of adds while hitting 2 bosses

[thick kelp]

Real

I tripled our furys voidorb dam on our kill

and went basically even in boss dam

[safe jay]

our ranged bias in raid is unreal. We as melee "should not cleave the mobs coming up" range can cleave it and we can stay on boss

[thick kelp]

[safe jay]

yeah thats what fury is brilliant at

[thick kelp]

on which fight?

[safe jay]

obey commands or not obey

Chimaerus

pretty irrelevant but more nameplates are more fun

[fresh spire]

I think you play colossus on dragons in .5 and never cleave amymore

Just go full boss damage

[safe jay]

and I have to stay at the boss big sad

[fresh spire]

With execute deep wounds big sender

[thick kelp]

On chima its better to sit boss and just sweep off of adds ifthey r closer

[reef prairie]

i mean thats not even ridiculous but if its just reclear who cares lol

[thick kelp]

u arent gonna parse on that boss

unless you get to solo ads

[safe jay]

i played fury exklusively until now will do first time Arms next reset I think

[slow saddle]

just remove

chima from any score

[thick kelp]

real

pad boss

[slow saddle]

like our tactic

i never get to cross middle

to kill adds

u risk running over some1

in general this tier all the free pad

is made for ranged players

[karmic bronze]

sp dream

[safe jay]

*this tier is made for ranged players

and the new class as usual

*specc

[reef prairie]

honestly nothing should be removed from logs is my take

legit every boss has cringe pad

okay not Every but half minimum

[slow saddle]

but like chimera u arent allowed to target em basicly 😛

its a shitty tier tbh

[reef prairie]

i think the bosses are fun

[slow saddle]

i say again imagine if Collosus had done the slayer amount of ST

collosus wouldda been so freakin mad pad and boss then 😄

tbf kiwi in heroic i had fun

in mythic it seems the "spell" theyve added is one the restrictcs melees

[reef prairie]

i think the only super ranged bias fight is alleria

[slow saddle]

bela

chimera

lura

[reef prairie]

i dont think chimaerus is really ranged bias. its also

a piss easy boss

[slow saddle]

tbh 2nd boss as well in prog

i mean m8 u cant run over ppl

how can u say thats not range bias

[reef prairie]

thats not a ranged thing lol

[slow saddle]

and yes boss is super easy

i mean it does not affect range

where as we do not get to move directly to shit

again better raid grps easier for melee

but in an avg guild man i promise u

its a shit show

[reef prairie]

belo definitely has your ranged doing most of the mechs but lura didn't seem like it was that bad for melee

[slow saddle]

hmm

[reef prairie]

not there yet tho

[slow saddle]

u do know they brough 0

melee

[dim basalt]

Chimaerus is not ranged biased

[slow saddle]

to lura

[dim basalt]

Youre split into left and right side anyway

[slow saddle]

well u cant go easy pad adds

[dim basalt]

And never cross the middle in intermission

[slow saddle]

everytime i do some range is in the way

[reef prairie]

thats just your ranged being in the wrong spot or you going to the wrong spot

[dim basalt]

^

[slow saddle]

well i cant get to adds

without hittin em

[reef prairie]

again, positioning issue. oyu also don't Need to hit those adds

[thick kelp]

what boss are we malding over

[topaz python]

if a boss requires specific positioning to allow melee to exist it is already rdps biased

[dim basalt]

If any boss is biased its paladins

[reef prairie]

chimaerus is not rdps biased man

you do not need to hit those small adds

[topaz python]

chimaerus is 100% easier without melee so dunno what you guys are discussing even

[reef prairie]

you can have 100% uptime

all the time

[topaz python]

that doesn't mean anybody shouldn't play slightly differently if there are a couple of melees in the comp

[slow saddle]

we are talking about parsing

not talking about killing the boss

[reef prairie]

you don't even play differently

[slow saddle]

killing the boss is piss easy

[reef prairie]

you can still hit the adds with ranged in your group

LOL

[topaz python]

parsing on chimaerus on melee?

[slow saddle]

y as i was trying to say that is freaking hard

if guild dont super cater to u

[thick kelp]

if u wanna parse on chima you BAN your entire downstairs group from hitting the adds

[reef prairie]

you are either doing something dumb or your ranged are doing smth dumb

[thick kelp]

outside of you

[topaz python]

only after madness went off, but most of the time adds are already dead at that point :)

[reef prairie]

i've definitely went before the madness

also don't think hitting those mobs is doing much for you unless you ban everyone else from hitting them anyway

[topaz python]

well, then your team is sticking to the walls i guess, which is pointing out specific gameplay to allow melee to exist on this fight
if you play classic center divide and adds come from north, boss on south, you wont get any time to hit adds

[bleak fog]

So is it only me that have this kind of treatment when it comes to alt? :D...

[reef prairie]

well, you want your ranged to stick to their sides

so they don't cleave eachother

my friend

[topaz python]

sides - right
not the walls man

[dim basalt]

real chads play guidon instead of puzzle box

[reef prairie]

you realize the range on that cleave is not super large

[bleak fog]

No luck there

[dim basalt]

[topaz python]

ye, but adds pretty much all the time go through center where madness is resolved

[reef prairie]

shrug, chimaerus is really not a ranged bias fight

[bleak fog]

Thing is my monk found a warbound Puzzle for my warrior 😄

Champ..

And ofc he spawn this from weekly Q

I mean.. Why play main when you just get flowed on alt? 😄

[reef prairie]

alleria is pretty ranged bias though fuck that fight

[steep tree]

SO TRUE

it sucks being melee these days

[topaz python]

alleria is a shit show

[steep tree]

all bosses got a massive aoe on their location

[dim basalt]

Alleria will be my first encounter in my new guild

[reef prairie]

its honestly fun

[dim basalt]

Is it though

[reef prairie]

i enjoyed it

[dim basalt]

I really disliked it on heroic

[reef prairie]

you probably wont like it on mythic then lol

[minor gust]

Alleria is a p3 waiting room

[topaz python]

same

[steep tree]

on normal it is so easy

[dim basalt]

rip

[minor gust]

Can finally have fun in p3 as arms

[topaz python]

true

[dim basalt]

P3 looks fun but everything before is eh

[molten rapids]

I know i am suppose to wait for patch notes but ppl keep saying arms is getting buffed in 0.5
But only thing I see is ST Buff with Demolish CDR + Slam Mortal Wounds and after that 1 less free cleave and no mortal wounds on cleave
some extra range on Rend
And nerf practice strikes from 20 to 15%

What am i missing or is this ST buff big

[minor gust]

For Colo specifically it's like a 7% ST buff

Both hero specs getting buffed currently for 12.05

[slow saddle]

slayer how?

[odd ledge]

higher reap the storm proc chance i guess

[minor gust]

Wdym how?

[umbral badger]

oh so the 20% chance is still in for slayer ?

so they reversing slayer's nerf but keeping the buff

damn that's crazy

[minor gust]

It's not a buff it's always been 20% proc chance

[umbral badger]

hmm

[odd ledge]

will you still stay loyal to slayer in the next patch?

[umbral badger]

wait i thought it was 15 and became 20

bro fat fingers and phone is such a bad combo

i can't type

[minor gust]

It's 20 now in live

[umbral badger]

i see, i only swap to slayer cuz i have to so i have no idea lol

other wise i'd never go slayer

i don't know where do we see the entire changes list

i looked adn all i always find is several notes for several weeks and so on

[odd ledge]

Imminent Demise no longer requires Sudden Death to damage a second target to trigger Reap the Storm.

thats the buff i guess?

[minor gust]

There is no consolidated list until Blizz releases official 12.05 notes

If you wanna see all the changes go in the updates channel

[umbral badger]

yea but i don't see 12.0.5 in that channel yeti think they are waiting final round of tuning for that patch

[minor gust]

Scroll up it's all there

[umbral badger]

also i just lost that channel lol wtf

gotta reactivate ito r some shit sec

[thick kelp]

Just wait for the final .5 patch notes lol

[minor gust]

SD revert means overall ST is buffed

[plucky fern]

was there any details on demolish changes? is it 5sec per gcd or not
If not i guess we are sending demolish every 10 seconds in aoe

[umbral badger]

so from what we have so far i see hte 20% BS buff, but everything else is staying the same ?

[odd ledge]

ayoooo

20% bs buff ?

thats yuge

[umbral badger]

dunno that's what i am seeing on update channel :p

it's not a huge ST buff

but it is a buff

[odd ledge]

i thought bs is already fine as it is, my dmg goes up in st

so i appreciate any number lol

[minor gust]

Every single change listed in updates is happening but the SD change

That's the only thing reverted

[umbral badger]

yea even in update channel you still need to scroll up and down or filter 12.0.5 changes but anyhow

even a small buff is welcome

for slayer

i'd rather slayer be stronger than colossus slightly on ST so that colossus does not end up getting nuked somehow 😄

[odd ledge]

slayer for life

arms without spin aint arms

[umbral badger]

since they did not do any wording change, it should be 5 seconds on mortal non-crit and 10 on mortal crit.

so at 35% crit maybe roughly 13.5 seconds per mortal sweeping hit after 10 stacks

i do think that this might mean we better of always sending dmeolish at zero stacks on first pull instead of stacking 10 times ? where is joey when i need him

[daring heron]

i cant wait to find ways to die to demolish twice as often

[umbral badger]

LOL that's such a critcakes take hahahaha

[slow saddle]

ok

[umbral badger]

damn, as original as always bro

[slow saddle]

i still thought it was a 1-2% nerf

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046046500578406479/1265022442599088192/makesweet-volebs.gif

[slow saddle]

as u MS A lot and loose all the MS procs

[minor gust]

It was a 1% nerf before the revert

[slow saddle]

ok, ye the slam thing

prob helps

in st

[minor gust]

DW on slam and BS buffs make up for the loss of reap

[slow saddle]

looses us some aoe... but at this point just give me as much ST as u can

[minor gust]

Now SD can proc reap on ST again

[umbral badger]

hahaha i actually died irl laughing cuz of critcakes demolish change, i guess getting rooted by demolish can kill you irl too

[daring heron]

lmao

i wish slayer was the play

it's super fun actually

[slow saddle]

i would wish the Bleeds from Execute was bigger

in st

so they could buff our st that way

[minor gust]

Slayer will remain good but like if your doing group keys it's hard not to play Colo

[umbral badger]

i mean if slayer gets 20% BS buff would be nice too

since slayer is doing good

[slow saddle]

20% MORE buff

like slayer still needs pure st in raid imho

could just make AA hit harder again i guess

[umbral badger]

wait let me re-read that BS buff

[slow saddle]

that doesnt affect anythin but st

and cant be cleave

[umbral badger]

(Slayer) Unrelenting Onslaught now also increases damage dealt by Bladestorm by 20%.

ok so basically every bladestorm

is 20% more dmg

that's good aoe buff

[thick kelp]

if u add 20% to 0 its still 0

[umbral badger]

come ooon bladestorm aoe is not that bad

lol

[slow saddle]

thats the main issue

i mean

what if

[minor gust]

It isn't just a slayer hater

[slow saddle]

Bladestorm automaticly

threw out CLEAVES

if more than 1 target

😄

[minor gust]

[dim basalt]

Walhe is just memeing

[slow saddle]

more cleave power

[dim basalt]

BS is like 3rd in damage in M+

Will prob be 2nd tied with Cleave after buff

[slow saddle]

MY MAIN wish

Culling cyclone just being better in gen

in aoe as well

i want it at just 20% on aoe

so that u wanna press it asap and just FAAACK shit up

[umbral badger]

ofc we will still need ot figure out when the goats do the sims, if you wanna BS asap or wait to get the 20% buff up if you have no BS stacks

[slow saddle]

warrior needs bl Confirmed

[umbral badger]

@soft gust tribbiani

[slow saddle]

asked by paladin

[minor gust]

The 20% is perma just added onto the talent it has nothing to do with the SD executes stacks

[umbral badger]

imagine the dream, if blizzard also added a colossus thing where slam does 20% or 30% more dmg under 35% , that might make me @#$

[umbral badger]

oh nice then that's straight up just use it as fast as you go in and smash

[white canopy]

The slayer strikes changes, looks like slayer arms

Is getting buffed?

[minor gust]

There are no slayers strikes change

[umbral badger]

only thing i see for slayer as a change now is the bladestorm 20% dmg

[white canopy]

I mean there is?

[umbral badger]

which is still good

[white canopy]

It says if you hit 3 times you get a execute proc

[minor gust]

[umbral badger]

that's how it works

[minor gust]

My guy you are lost and confused

[umbral badger]

you did get confused there 😄

ppl are a few m+ grpsw only , i guess it's time for some sid miers colonization whiel i watch a movie

[dim basalt]

Are you having a stroke

[floral tide]

Tbh I don't put too much thought into ptr notes until it hits live servers

[minor gust]

Very much a viable strat

[surreal saffron]

Hi (sorry for my english) why Warriors arms play masters,hasté weve the craft weapon ? Because we have more crit basic or other reasons ?

[jovial hare]

crit>haste>mast

oh

thats a good question actually

[minor gust]

Instead of being one of the many people confused about arms changes in 12.05 because they read the first set of notes and last set of notes and nothing else

[jovial hare]

why arms is ???

ty for ur consideration

[minor gust]

Because they play fury or started off as fury

[surreal saffron]

Oh I see now, you think is good over stack the critique ?

[minor gust]

If you like playing both arms and fury it would be better for your crafted gear to be haste mastery yes. If you only play arms it's much better to have Crit

[bronze solar]

why do many people mainly craft wrists even though they come from Averzian?

[jovial hare]

to put embels on them

if they dont
🤷‍♂️

[thin quail]

On dragons boss do you swap target to the adds or u just demolish the boss bc the adds are usually in 10yrd range?

[vapid pine]

They read wowhead bis list and don't care about early season performance

[minor gust]

More like wrists at the time were my lowest ilvl so I crafted wrists it's not complicated

[odd ledge]

i hope slayer and colossus stay like now, where both are good

for m+

[kind stag]

Blizz will fuck it up somehow

As usual

[jovial hare]

gonna be a random 20% nerf to ms in the notes

[kind stag]

Yep

[jovial hare]

why? good questions

[kind stag]

But keep warlock above everyone else

[jovial hare]

🔮

[surreal saffron]

Thank you, now I can craft in complète tranquillity

[minor gust]

🫡

[kind stag]

My guildie keeps bragging about being top dps but he plays lock like cmon man

Play anything else and lets see you

[jovial hare]

is he a demo lock

[odd ledge]

i suffered too many years playing ww with animation lock to play demo war..stay good slayer 🙏

[kind stag]

Ya

[jovial hare]

cus they're still bugged

lmao

what a tool

[kind stag]

Whats the bug even

[minor gust]

If you can hit orbs and boss of course always go for it.

[jovial hare]

they're dealing extra dmg (like 4x) on some talent when they shouldnt be
blizzard said they fixed them
they have not

[kind stag]

Cool

Blizzard will keep it

Because locks need it

Nerf warrior

[jovial hare]

and im getting shit for nemesis spell reflect abuse still
but locks get these kinda bugs every xpac and no one bats an eye

[minor gust]

Slayer will remain good it just might be a lil more behind Colo when you compare the two

[kind stag]

Mages locks and devourers can be so far ahead its ok

[odd ledge]

we still do better in st ye?

[slow saddle]

yup

yes but collosus is closer

and any 2 target i bet

col does more now

ST that is

[odd ledge]

why 2 target?

[minor gust]

Idk the % in m+ builds but it's gonna get closer now

[slow saddle]

2 x the col

i mean demolish

[odd ledge]

does colo do even more aoe now?

with more demos

[floral tide]

I prefer demolish but very likely am going to get myself murdered with all those extra smashes

[odd ledge]

fuck man i think im just a weirdo but having a cast time and being animation locked as a melee is the worst possible design for me

[slow saddle]

m8

its just practice

like its a NON issue

[floral tide]

It's a cool gimmick used sparringly

[odd ledge]

its not practice

[slow saddle]

once u play a bit

[odd ledge]

its not even hard to do

its annoying

[slow saddle]

i mean

its only annoying

if u are bad

and need to move 😄

[odd ledge]

lol

"its only annoying if u are bad"

is such a dumb way

[slow saddle]

i mean it is a fact

u stand still plenty of times

[floral tide]

It's a gameplay preference

[odd ledge]

it is annoying by design

[slow saddle]

2 seconds

in fight

like upside = big burst

downside = u can get gibbed

seems fair

[barren jay]

Hi guys so i mainly pvp but really got intrested in pve, going arms dps since its my most comftorable spec. Got any gearing tips for me? I crafted a 259ilvl 2h sword as imurlock showed me.

[slow saddle]

Its a way of making it feel more impactfull for certain

[minor gust]

You can always leap mid demolish cast if you absolutely need to dodge something

[floral tide]

Fuck. This would have saved me so many times

[minor gust]

If you leap while still maintaining range it won't break the demolish cast either

[slow saddle]

i mean yes it could just look like Rampage i guess

[kind stag]

Demolish is non issue

Ravager, rend and CDs not aligning is issue on colo

Its jank

[upbeat wharf]

On the last boss of Skyreach, is it possible to Heroic Leap back onto the platform when the add tosses me off?

[jovial hare]

I don't think so, I've not gotten properly kidnapped since wod though

[versed lagoon]

go into normal and try it i guess, never had it happen as far as i remember

[jovial hare]

and heroic leap was notorious for heroic no path available back then so 🤷‍♂️

[kind stag]

i know DH can backflip

[granite swift]

not possible, tried it myself

[golden ibex]

Fello arms enjoyers, reading the development notes, does it seem like Blizzard is making Arms slayer single target non excistent? Like we can no long reap the storm on single target at all?

[storm vault]

They’re reverting that stuff @golden ibex

Nothing official yet but hopefully it stays

[golden ibex]

How do you know they are reverting that?

[storm vault]

Check the updates midnight section of this discord

Post from 4/10

[stray vault]

with slam causing deep wounds our ST should go up a bit too

[thick kelp]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-class-tuning-for-druids-and-warriors-in-patch-12-0-5-ptr-development-notes-381217?utm_source=discord-webhook

its confirmed here

[golden ibex]

is it not mortal wound and not deep wound? but as i read this : WARRIOR
Arms
Mortal Wounds now triggers from Mortal Strike and Slam (was Mortal Strike and Cleave).
Colossus
Practiced Strikes now increases Mortal Strike and Slam damage by 15% and Cleave and Whirlwind damage by 15%.
Slayer
Reap the Storm now triggers when Whirlwind or Cleave hits 3 or more targets. Chance to trigger changed to 15% (was 20%).
Imminent Demise no longer causes Sudden Death to trigger Reap the Storm.
Unrelenting Onslaught now also increases damage dealt by Bladestorm by 20%.

It seems like they are trying to kill slayer arms?

[stray vault]

do not quote me but I think our ST will go up and our aoe down

as slayer

[radiant sonnet]

Blizard doing blizard stuff keep nerfing it

[golden ibex]

But losing reap the storm in single in single target seems wild though?

[solemn fractal]

That's gone

[sand totem]

Lads... the reap change was reverted. It still procs from sudden death as it does right now.

[stray vault]

from 12 hours ago

[golden ibex]

Oh thank god

I dont know why they would change that

Even though its not that high in dps, Slayer arms just plays really well

[storm vault]

I really like Slayer right now I hope I don’t have to force switch to Colossus. Idk I played some Col in TWW for a bit I sort of enjoyed it but it doesn’t sound appealing to me rn. Do you guys think Colossus is fun?

[astral yarrow]

col bangs

just dont hit a single target

then it doesnt

[kind stag]

i find colo unfun personally

[radiant sonnet]

Same here brother,slayer is kinda more fun to play with colossus is kinda slow for me

[kind stag]

slayer is really cool

colo i just dislike its jank, how 4 cds work and everything

its so strict, arms just needs a rework

[storm vault]

The full opener on Arms AOE is just so satisfying to me. Dumping 4 Cleaves and sudden deaths with a shit ton of reaps feels so cool

[kind stag]

3 cleaves soon

[storm vault]

WHAT

I didn’t see that 😭

[kind stag]

if i remember the crushing combo still stays 2 free cleaves

as opposed to current 3

[storm vault]

bro who tf cooks this shit up. Like we’re not doing unholy Devourer AOE damage like come tf on

[dim basalt]

Dont forget BS gets buffed by 20% while it already does big aoe damage

And there will be lots of MW applications through FOB

[hasty pumice]

What

Arms col has the most broken aoe damage in m+

[dim basalt]

ye we do more lol

[storm vault]

I’m talking about Slayer haven’t tried Col this season

[hasty pumice]

Colossus is absolutely mind blowing in M+

[dim basalt]

Slayer is still above average Id say

[hasty pumice]

Slayer is still a really strong spec

[kind stag]

yeah but we trade it for doing tank dps on st

[hasty pumice]

Good ST, great aoe, constant damage output

[hasty pumice]

Well with funnel our ST is amazing too

[kind stag]

like warrior has to sacrifice something all the time, meanwhile devourer or locks just blast regardless

[kind stag]

but thats funnel thats not strict st

[hasty pumice]

And depending on the boss isn't that bad

[dim basalt]

locks have different issues though

devourer is nasty yes

[astral yarrow]

having 3 decent specs woe is me

[hasty pumice]

With arms col I usually hit 60k+ on ST with shammy

[hasty pumice]

Yeah but arms col with funnel is pmuch better than most others with funnel

2 extra targets gets you a shit ton of advantages

[kind stag]

i dont disagree

but fact is that colo ST is poverty

[dim basalt]

Its not that bad

lmao

I do like 75k-80k ST as col

[hasty pumice]

Having cleave and slam combine into one while also extending smash timer, getting more demolish procs (especially with the 2 to 5 seconds buff coming) and sweeps mortal strike gathering even more demolish stacks

Pretty dope

[dim basalt]

Which will be buffed by 7% in .5

[hasty pumice]

With the m+ spec?

[dim basalt]

ye

[astral yarrow]

hard doubt you are doing that ST as colossus

[dim basalt]

Maybe I just had a lucky pull

[hasty pumice]

First time I'm seeing that lol

[kind stag]

i dont even sim that high

[hasty pumice]

Comparing to biz ST that's way way higher haha

Sure you didn't play slayer?

[paper condor]

80k maybe with aug

[kind stag]

slayer does well ST yeah, its why i prefer it

[hasty pumice]

NGL if I have aug in party mostly I go slayer

Cause I often play with feral druid who also doesn't pump bosses

[kind stag]

i understand augs now that ive had a Pit of saron run with my arms slayer and an aug

holy shit

like not normal

how is that spec allowed

[hasty pumice]

Ye aug cranks up your DPS by a ton

[thorn tartan]

COL or Slayer for AA?

[hasty pumice]

I saw zero cool having a run with shammy aug and monk

And arms

[kind stag]

slayer

[hasty pumice]

The arms in pit 20 had 276k overall

[dim basalt]

I do ~65k on dummy

[hasty pumice]

Slayer unless super high keys

[dim basalt]

Tahts with rage issues and no other buffs

[kind stag]

AA is generally better for slayer

[thorn tartan]

when would you go COL?

[hasty pumice]

In the highest keys you kinda always go arms because your AOE is just that nutty

[hasty pumice]

Massive aoe dungeons or super high keys

Even in skyreach for example people swap to col despite having 0 boss funnel possible

For all bosses

[kind stag]

funnel, tank premade, dungeons that have it good like pit of saron or nexus

[hasty pumice]

Tanks highly upgrade colossus, too

[dim basalt]

NPX is more of a Slayer key imo

[kind stag]

generally slayer is safer choice imo

[hasty pumice]

Slayer is deffo more pug friendly

[kind stag]

colo you entirely depend on your tank if you are busted level or poverty level

[thorn tartan]

i see

[hasty pumice]

I never had more overall as slayer than Colo tho even with shit tanks

[thorn tartan]

so you only go COL if UBER tank pulls

[kind stag]

hey man, guess you are that good then or something

[hasty pumice]

[kind stag]

colo rly gains a lot from cleaving and multitargets so yeah id say so

[hasty pumice]

At +18/+19 shit lives long enough for col to outscale in aoe

Idk which keys you're playing so there's context missing

Didn't mean to throw shade Mon ami

[thick kelp]

Dont need uber pulls

you need 3 or more lol

[grim anchor]

DK tank and arms warrior best combo

[thick kelp]

even 2 its close

[thorn tartan]

the st is so ass though 🙁

[grim anchor]

yes it is

[thick kelp]

pull a pack on boss or flame your tank

[astral yarrow]

how about both

[dim basalt]

On 16s tanks still refuse to pull packs to bosses

[kind stag]

ngl on some keys tanks gotta kite alot

[dim basalt]

Who cares about a 30% faster kill time anyway

[grim anchor]

they hate us

[kind stag]

and some tanks are apparently pretty tough this season on some keys

unless brew i guess

[dim basalt]

Thats just skill issue

Until bleeding edge

[astral yarrow]

theres just citizen tanks and second rate citizen tanks

[dim basalt]

Ive seen some giga chad bdks

[kind stag]

bear druids and veng dhs kinda brick my keys now and then

[astral yarrow]

pwar/guardian/brew are the good tanks, bdk is passable and the rest kinda blow

[kind stag]

prot warriors carry me usually, blood dks kinda okay

[dim basalt]

I dont trust any ppals

[astral yarrow]

best +10 tank is paladin though

love those guys

[kind stag]

protwar on pit of saron is probably vacation mode

i didnt see those guys drop hp in that dungeon

im not sure whats up with bears, they seem to drop so fast at one point

maybe i just didnt encounter good ones yet?

[soft dew]

Me neither, then I get one that is so good he does more dps than certain dps in the key and I have to try again and get the one who pulls half the room and dies, then blames the dps.

[astral yarrow]

you just coast till incarn and then watch them carry your 4 pack pull

[kind stag]

isnt with protpalas the thing that they need to select some talent or hero talent to actually survive but they are stubborn in wanting more dmg?

so ive heard

[feral breach]

Healers just heal more

[kind stag]

priests and hpalas cant heal me man

insta bricked key

[ionic mica]

problem with bear is they might proc a "walk backwards away from a pack while taunting" instead of going in

never seen this shit on any other spec

as well as having zero threat outside of when they are outdpsing you xD

[kind stag]

tank dhs got i think bit weakness to magic dmg no? i feel like packs with only melees they survive but spellcasters just burn them

while blood dks kinda opposite

[jovial hare]

the second they try to greed dmg they die lmao

[dim basalt]

The bdks I ran with were able to deal with anything

[kind stag]

unfortunate

[dim basalt]

Given that Ive only played +16s with them tho

[floral tide]

I don't like how spammy prot warrior is.

[kind stag]

well that high im sure everyone is good

[dim basalt]

not at all

People are dogshit in 16s

[jovial hare]

very
miss my bear buddies

[kind stag]

i didnt do that high yet because im shit at the game but still

[dim basalt]

You see ele shamans only doing 120 to 130k dps overall, most dps actually

[kind stag]

didnt they get nerfed like 222222 times before season even started lol

[dim basalt]

And its not rare you see people in a +16 not knowing boss mechanics well

[soft dew]

Yeah a lot of people are getting carried to 16's

[jovial hare]

it's oke u can be shit at the game this season
our perpetually gray parsing hunter in our guild who peaks at like 20th percentile is doing 13~14 this ssn

[kind stag]

damn i gotta get on thta carry train too!

[jovial hare]

he barely was able to eek out a 10 last season per week

[feral breach]

Can ignore/survive alot of stuff below 16

[jovial hare]

just send it brother

[kind stag]

grey parsing classes are beating my purple or orange parses why am i playing warrior

[jovial hare]

I believe

[kind stag]

skyreach is one of the biggest offender there for some reason

[feral breach]

Why play good with bad class if bad with good class do trick

[jovial hare]

bc warrior is fun
anyways if there was a season to get ur toes into high keys
this is it

[dim basalt]

Seat for me

[kind stag]

[kind stag]

actually yeah you are right, seat is so easy yet people with 300 rating more than me are bricking it

[jovial hare]

idk I don't feel like skyreach is that difficult even if you don't know mechs
like
all of the fights are pretty intuitive

[kind stag]

i did 13s so far but i usually wait for some guildies to show up as pugging is hellmode sitting for 45 mins

[dim basalt]

I get invited pretty quickly atp

[soft dew]

The amount of people not kicking stuff or getting bumped from the ledge is too damn high.

[kind stag]

tell that to DHs running into the group with laser

[jovial hare]

that's dhs being dhs tbh

[kind stag]

if you got giga rating and nice gear im sure you do brother

[jovial hare]

don't trust them

like never trust ret paladins, BM hunters, or DHs to do mechanics

other warriors either tbh

[feral breach]

Big fucking lazer following me, letz dash trough my whole team several times

[jovial hare]

we're kinda pepega sometimes

[kind stag]

cant believe i still love ret paladins, that class is represented by such meatheads it makes warriors look smart

[jovial hare]

i mean
we don't attract the brainiacs of wow either

[feral breach]

They still eat glue while we already swapped to crayons

[kind stag]

i think ret got giga damaged by the "easiest melee to play" rep

so all the gluehuffers are on it

[jovial hare]

if i had a dollar for every time ive seen a warrior rip threat 5+ times at the start of a pull in a single key
I wouldn't need to work
like brother man
chill
let the tank get threat before u unga

that or bring a pocket rogue with permanent tricks
that's what I do

[kind stag]

hunters are no different

invited a hunter JUST for lust yday, they were the ONLY lust class
we say lust on first pack

no lust, we wipe, i ask hunter whats up and hes like "oh im lusting?"

[jovial hare]

I swear most MM hunters dont know they have harrier's cry

[feral breach]

I do sometimes aswell, attacking the singular target he already have threat, and rip threat on others due to improved ww on fury still on

[kind stag]

im not gonna lie

i died on paladins this week

[feral breach]

Ye alot of ppl dont know they have that

[kind stag]

because i charged first instead of tanks

my excuse is that i have no ego i know im mid af at this game

[feral breach]

Tbf they could have opened with taunt

[kind stag]

im used to like

people already pressing skills at 1s

its what most do in FFXIV

[feral breach]

Happens alot on mop for me, tanks just not wanting to taunt raidbosses on pull

What you gonna use it on?

[kind stag]

saving it for wod

[tepid citrus]

To be fair.. I throw rend on targets while he's gathering and pull threat sometimes.. But that is what DBS is for.

[crystal forge]

in my opinion warriors should have lust. i mean, give me a class that is more justified for this

[karmic matrix]

Anyone else noticing that both MaxDPS and suggested ability recommends Sweeping Strikes casts when the buff is already active? Does anyone have any idea why that happens? Is there some talent or interaction with Broad Strokes /Powerful Momentum that I'm not getting or are the suggested ability/rotation helpers not able to read active buffs?

[floral tide]

We should also have a brez shout.

"get the fuck up"

[quiet bramble]

Does warrior have a place in wow? Lorewise i mean

[tropic moon]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-wake-up-scream-avengers-gif-16789680516733779154

[broken minnow]

Are we doomed in 12.0.5?

[ionic mica]

no

antidoomed

[broken minnow]

We are getting nerf right?

[ionic mica]

no

[broken minnow]

No?

[ionic mica]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

more demolish, more bs damage, more ST from deep wounds on slam

[kind stag]

well some pretty big characters were warriors kinda so

its just that current day and age forgot about them and its more about magic types

Varian, Garrosh, Saurfang

[ionic mica]

is thrall still a warrior or did he remember how to lightning again

[kind stag]

i forgor

[hoary fossil]

why be a normie warrior when you can be a warrior with magic

[kind stag]

because warriors do use magic kinda

its not lijke Avatar comes from nothing

its just that warriors are not spellcasters, just magic to enhance our physical stuff

[feral breach]

Avatar form is just bulking and the lightnings is just the airfriction we generate

[short spear]

during legion we were empowered by a god

[hoary fossil]

avatar is just shooting up tren + TRT and then snorting some pre-workout

[kind stag]

speak for yourselves

all natural here

dont need to alchemy to be stronk....

[tepid citrus]

We should have a shout that resets everyones kicks in the party. That way I can continue being the only one interupting in groups.

[kind stag]

warriors need lust that ogcd

[alpine inlet]

avatar should be racegated for dwarf only

[hoary fossil]

thematically warriors not having lust is wild

[tropic moon]

war aug ?

[kind stag]

make it a "War Banner" or something idk

steal ideas from guild wars 2 warrior they got sick warriors

[ionic mica]

we had neccrolord banner for a bit

but they killed it before it truly lived

[slow saddle]

Looked goated

[kind stag]

imagine if warriors had something not taken away

or nerfed

[feral breach]

Warriors already had banner, would not really be stealing

[ionic mica]

we were going to be middle of the road if we got full uptime and full ST, too strong so they gutted it :)))

[kind stag]

hunters got mark and lust

why cant we

one plate class having lust would be neat

[slow saddle]

Just warrior things

[ionic mica]

a warrior with a banner that buffed their friends/themselves that they maintain with rage? nonono that sounds too on point

i rolled off warrior at that point and only came back in midnight xD

[kind stag]

warriors being berserkers or juggernauts with insane hits? give them bleeds

[ionic mica]

its okay we can demolish now

3 big booms

[kind stag]

im okay with that just remove rend

[ionic mica]

true just make rend a bleed applied by overpower/dreadnaught or cleave idk

or remove it

[kind stag]

yeah bake it in

its top 2 worst abilities

[slow saddle]

Nah

[kind stag]

that and ravager 2 dog buttons to press

[slow saddle]

Make it do somethi

Rend up 10% bigger chance of ms reset

[ionic mica]

id rather ravager just got halved and baked into avatar with a talent or something

[thick kelp]

rend makes target take 10% more crit dam from us

oh wait

[kind stag]

yeah make it not bleed but instead do a cool aoe blood splatter visual effect and just deals nice damager or something

[ionic mica]

ava makes cleave do 20% more dam on top

[slow saddle]

This makes sense

[kind stag]

rend just feels like ass to press

its just a checkbox

[ionic mica]

the only time i like rend is when i need things to press whilst gathering that wont get me aggro

[slow saddle]

I rly disagree. Its somethin 2 push while pulli

[ionic mica]

unless your brew has thrown a keg

then fuck it send the MS

[slow saddle]

And b4 next rend i need 2 press it

[ionic mica]

i just do it on pull and then after CS ends

[slow saddle]

Ofc but we are just gettin demo stacks rsy b4 we ham

[slow saddle]

In aoe which is never😅

As col almost at least🤣

[ionic mica]

hey there is a tiny gap between cs 1 and 2 xD

[slow saddle]

Ye

Buff arms st

Via aa

[ionic mica]

i really need to start actually doing higher keys so the packs live properly in the 2nd cs

[slow saddle]

Ols

[ionic mica]

tanking my damage big time

[slow saddle]

Did a 17

Failed

I should say

But felt nice cd wse

[ionic mica]

i just try to run with ele for skyfury/they suck outside of ascendance so things live long enough to cs a second time

[slow saddle]

Resto sham

[ionic mica]

but tbh in 14/15 everyone does low enough dam for that

if i make my healer friend play rsham they will cry

[slow saddle]

I mean skyfury BANNER whe

[kind stag]

skyfury perma baked in when

[slow saddle]

Should 100% be arms buff

[ionic mica]

ideally id find a rare enhance

the goats

[slow saddle]

They suck tough

Dies

[ionic mica]

yeah thats why i rolled back to warr xD

[kind stag]

isnt enha still fucked to play

[ionic mica]

ruined my spec

[kind stag]

like top 3 hardest dps specs

[ionic mica]

its fine

just if you dont like the new elemental tempo cdr on all your spells it sucks

[olive nest]

Isn’t cool that the patch notes usually have every class except warrior

[ionic mica]

big 1min burst then sleep

[olive nest]

[kind stag]

at this point im usually scared of that because i just assume its gonna be random nerf

[ionic mica]

id say arms is actually "harder" as much as any spec is hard now

in ST at least

[kind stag]

colo arms is defo real hard slayer is not bad at all

[ionic mica]

enhance is far easier than it has been for a long time, and it was always just practice to not find it hard

people are just scared of having more than 5 binds idk why

[kind stag]

honestly arms defo needs more pruning

games tempo is real fast, you dont need to manage 4cds to make it "hard"

its no wonder all the easier specs are more popular you make less mistakes

[ionic mica]

outside of rend and ravager i like what arms has going on

dont feel like it needs much pruned

[kind stag]

yeah those 2 can go fuck themselves

[ionic mica]

wouldnt mind sweeping being permanent/off gcd

[kind stag]

for sure

and cleave baseline

not a talent

[ionic mica]

true wtf is whirlwind

[kind stag]

not a skill

[tepid citrus]

They should scrap AUG and just make all tanks similar to AUGS to make them more enjoyable. High CC, Threat Management, and Buffs.

[quiet bramble]

that's why blizz has no love for warrior

so much lore stuff related to paladin

[kind stag]

granted warcraft paladins are some of the finest fantasy paladins in media

paladins and shamans are giga iconic in warcraft

[soft gust]

Made a spreadsheet to show roughly the dps changes for M+ for 12.0.5. Sims were run with bis gear and optimal raid buffs.

Deep wounds change has reduced mass aoe, but both specs are getting some single target

slayer got the short straw

[silk lake]

so were saccing aoe for better st now

[soft gust]

These are run with the same talent builds as live

[astral yarrow]

there might be apl changes come 12.0.5 though

[soft gust]

Im aware

These are with the most recent ptr apl

There are changes

[toxic surge]

hey with the changes to reap-the-storm reverted basically you won't need to spin WW to proc it right?

the mechanic stays the same as live?

[ionic citrus]

Can someone explain the 12.0.5 change to Imminent Demise to me?

[hybrid needle]

Why not working anymore

[kind stag]

because ravager casts it at target location by default

[hard dragon]

Yeah rav got changed

[void parcel]

they wanted to make it proc reap the storm on aoe only but they changed it back from what i get

[hybrid needle]

Oh god, thats kinda beautiful. Mustve missed that change, thank you

[ionic citrus]

I'm not understanding the mechanics behind it, Imminent Demise now procs from executes or?

[slow saddle]

They removed it from bt

And ms

But kept procc feels

[vapid spire]

They dont want us to perform, they want to see the flavor of the season brainrot spec

We're like 5% of parse and we outperforming meta slaves

We're lacking stuff but other classes have so much parses they're getting pulled down by bozos

[silk lake]

So we're good, but no one wants to play it?

The aesthetic is there.

Big bonk.

[olive nest]

So many things go into what the meta becomes

[dim basalt]

phys comp is very capable of doing crazy stuff

brew rsham feral arms +1

[olive nest]

Arms could do omega dps (like now) but not necessarily synergize with the other meta specs at the time

[clever crag]

So the nerf is one less free cleave for colo ?

[olive nest]

Yes

[clever crag]

Or they added stuff

[olive nest]

They also made it so you get a ton of cdr on demolish

From MS

[sharp tide]

BM/Surv not bad for the hunters mark and util

[clever crag]

Yeah and range

Which is good

Spamming cleave is fun tho

[dim basalt]

ye the +1 can be lots of things

assa, hunter, aug

[olive nest]

Is aug any good for arms? I recall cone saying not really but idk enough about aug honestly

[vapid pine]

DK gotta be goated in that slot surely?

[dim basalt]

aug is always good

ye dk fits too tbh

[vapid pine]

Grips to cover the lack of range kicks, lack of range in general :^)

[olive nest]

A BM hunter or outlaw rogue is probably the best two options for the last slot

[dim basalt]

• amz

[olive nest]

Talking purely physical comp synergy

[dim basalt]

Id still take sub over outlaw

[slow saddle]

Thing is

[dim basalt]

also assa over outlaw

[olive nest]

Sub is magical though

[dim basalt]

Sub is 70% phys iirc

[slow saddle]

Its blizzard trying to fix gameplay

[dim basalt]

Unless it changed

[slow saddle]

And giving us st

And classic lizzard nerfs somethin by mistake

[dim basalt]

Assa and sub are both just better than outlaw even if outlaw does more phys damage

[slow saddle]

Meanwhile we still lack rage

Vengeance tank meta when?

[hard dragon]

Then Ret exists and does everything warrior does and more

[slow saddle]

I mean

[dim basalt]

What does ret do better?

[olive nest]

BRM/Rsham/war/feral/mm
probably the best physical comp right now

[slow saddle]

We funnel better

[dim basalt]

They have freedom sure

But thats it

[slow saddle]

Pure st

[olive nest]

All melee makes some things harder

[slow saddle]

And dispel, alsp freedom preety goated

And if lookin at numbers in 12.05 better mass aoe

[dim basalt]

ret will never do more aoe than us

[hard dragon]

And SAC

They have way more utility whilst doing comparable DPS, and better ST

And Devo aura

[ionic mica]

the ST burst on ret is pretty nuts if they get any procs as well

[hard dragon]

And have range

[ionic mica]

for the bunch of amp bosses this season

[dim basalt]

The utility part is just not true anymore

[ionic mica]

reliable ranged ST pretty nice on a melee

[olive topaz]

Arms absolutely does not funnel better than execution sentence on Ret

It’s just some extra slams/heroic strikes

[slow saddle]

Wow

[slow saddle]

Tell me u have no clue bout arms

[olive topaz]

Where as execution sentence converts aoe damage into ST

[dim basalt]

I wanna see a ret do 100k dps on a boss

[slow saddle]

This

Col st when u can funnel

Is top tier

[olive nest]

Arms is probably the best funnel in the game

[hard dragon]

Ret can pull 100k dps ST

[olive nest]

You do double dps to the prio target when you’re hitting two others around it

[slow saddle]

And 12.05 makes it stronger

Funnel better

[dim basalt]

can or does?

Col can funnel 100k ST dps consistently

[olive topaz]

And that is good, but Ret’s funnel continues to scale with more targets added

[echo crane]

Does anyone have an idea of a decent overall in a 10/11 m+ key?
I was doing about 110k slayer arms at 270 ilvl
I feel like ive done way better in higher fury keys…

[hard dragon]

Watching a guy on youtube pull 100k dps on Ember in WRS rn

[ionic mica]

the issue with rets funnel is it is only in cds

[hard dragon]

And this was almost 2 weeks ago

[ionic mica]

its good, but it isnt the same as ours

[hard dragon]

So he for sure could have more ilvl by now

[rancid robin]

Deplete a maisara +19, i was at 260k overall on last pack before boss (with evoke ofc) i'm so freaking sad 😭

[dim basalt]

Sounds about right, that key level is pretty low for Arms

[olive nest]

Ours is un matched

[thick kelp]

is 100k St in the room with us?

[olive nest]

Lmao

[thick kelp]

From skyreach first boss

[ionic mica]

rets actual ST is cracked though regardless of the funnel stuff

[echo crane]

Does arms come online with higher keys?

[olive nest]

That boss has no funnel smh

[rancid robin]

Lowkey yeah, on higher key u can double send ur CD

[slow saddle]

Y ret is cracked

[hard dragon]

Yes

It is

[thick kelp]

Aug

XD

XD

XD

[olive nest]

No Aug

[thick kelp]

Cheers man fake stat

[dim basalt]

Aug easily adds 20k there

[olive nest]

xdd

[ionic mica]

xD

[hard dragon]

Oh whoops

[astral yarrow]

hate aug

[echo crane]

Thanks @rancid robin I won’t give up yet then

[olive nest]

Bro I do 1.5m dps peak

No Aug

[slow saddle]

In st!

[olive nest]

On first boss skyreach yeah

Me when I lie

[slow saddle]

Peak! Just very short

[hard dragon]

I said Ember

[slow saddle]

I saw biz do 96k

Sr

St& on forge dude

With cleave

[dim basalt]

Nonetheless, I dont think ret is much better than arms when the top players of both specs are pretty even in rio

[slow saddle]

96k on mt

[thick kelp]

Farveor did 115k ST on forgeboss cuz of funnel

[olive nest]

That’s because he probably had the infinite funnel tech

[slow saddle]

This my point

[dim basalt]

farover, our goat 2

[slow saddle]

Yeye ofc

[olive nest]

From the 0hp mobs that don’t die

[slow saddle]

All im saying is, col requires more work

But are at least on par with ret

[olive nest]

That is true ret just does the dps

[slow saddle]

Ofc ranfom pug key

[olive nest]

We require tank assistance

[slow saddle]

Ret prob easier 2shine

Tbh until 12 05 slayer is ret esque in keys

[hard dragon]

Here's ret pulling 95k no aug 2 weeks ago

[ionic mica]

its an amp boss lmao

[dim basalt]

^

[ionic mica]

rets ST is good its okay you dont need to find a screenshot

[slow saddle]

Yeah ret has a lot better st

Than arms

No doubt

I mean it should as well sims a lot higher

And if u as col esp, dont use all the tec 2 do dmg. U should prob just ret

[vapid pine]

The entire argument was Ret funnel vs Arms funnel too lmao

[slow saddle]

Ikr

And funnel is arms

Its not close

[olive nest]

I will not just “might as well go ret” thank you very much xdd

[hard dragon]

There, non-amp boss, 100k dps by yoda

[slow saddle]

Mid cds

[olive topaz]

There’s still half the boss HP to go though

[slow saddle]

And lust what is this

[hard dragon]

W/e you win ig

[olive nest]

[hard dragon]

We move the goal post more

[slow saddle]

No1 is disagreein ret has better st

[ionic mica]

the goalpost was always 100k ST

[hard dragon]

Yeah

I just posted it