What are the buffs going out?
#arms
soft gust
Bladestorm buff, Crushing combo nerf, Demolish CDR increase, deep wounds moved from cleave to slam
on ptr
runic rock
Yea bladestorm needs a buff. Does that span both fury and arms?
rare kite
yes 20%
runic rock
Nice maybe slayer fury will be decent now too
minor gust
It's being buffed
umbral badger
Bladestorm buff, Crushing combo nerf, Demolish CDR increase, deep wounds moved f...
this specific change will also make deepwounds harder to apply on execute ST for colossus ?
while it's better overall ofc
soft gust
nah, you're not cleaving in ST anymore so slam is just taking the place of cleave in execute. overall DW damage in ST is up a lot
umbral badger
so slam instead of Execute in execute phase ? 😮
soft gust
you execute if you have sudden death, or your rage is more than 75
if you execute with not a lot of rage you starve yourself
umbral badger
that's fine by me i am also at the point where i'd even be happier if we don't execute at all "i think fishy or arch suggested this"
so i don't mind slamming
nova marsh
Demolish replaces execute
SD procs reset demo cd
(Yes this would be hilariously broken)
soft gust
Not having to press cleave in ST is great on its own. the demo cdr is going to be very fun
umbral badger
Just let Colo not give a shit about execute that's perfectly fine
yes that's exaclty it, having "maybe execute, and maybe not execute" design is not a good design
honestly it is not even a good picture for the devs when they have a design that is so uncertain in some sense
soft gust
A lot of the weird execute conditions are because rage gen is ass
umbral badger
just no execute or execute kind of design, one of the two.
minor gust
Not having to press cleave in ST is great on its own. the demo cdr is going to b...
It's definitely gonna make all the people saying arms is hard and confusing have a better time.
wind flicker
olive topaz
Three 100 rolls lol
deft kraken
Just learning arms after a long break and loving slayer but not digging Colossus so far. Why is it that EVERYONE plays colossus over slayer for dragons? My 2 target patch sims are similar but it looks like 95% of people playing colossus on that fight and paladins.
silk lake
how is arms for pvp
sand totem
Just learning arms after a long break and loving slayer but not digging Colossus...
for the add cleave
reef prairie
Just learning arms after a long break and loving slayer but not digging Colossus...
press demolish on orbs explode the monsters
spring vale
give colo a trait where cleave always triggers fob regardless of target count
deft kraken
ok so literally just to line up demolish on orbs? and demolish on 3 stack for paladins. 👍
rose ibex
ok so literally just to line up demolish on orbs? and demolish on 3 stack for pa...
Hold everything for cs
Never hold cs
deft kraken
When we are 2 target cleaving, do we follow the multitarget rotation or the single target rotation and just maintain Sweeping Strikes? Assuming its the AoE rotation?
rose ibex
Standard clarms m+ build is perfect for 3 target boss fights like paladins
You switch between 2 target and 3 depending on how paladins are lining up
Save ravager + ava + cs combo for when they are together
deft kraken
You switch between 2 target and 3 depending on how paladins are lining up
Yeah so if I'm looking at the wowhead rotation, if I have 2 targets do I do the ST rotation and keep up SS or do i do the AoE rotation?
Like is the arms multitarget rotation different if its 2 or 3+ targets?
rose ibex
For 2 target i think you do st rotation but cleave takes priority when you have enough stacks of collateral
Keep ss up and whatnot
deft kraken
K, makese sense.
Thanks for the help @rose ibex !
Hey one more quick question. Why is it that on logs arms is doing SIGNIFIGANTLY more boss damage than fury across the raid but they sim about the same?
rose ibex
My assumption is that arms is more prone to zerging the boss as their aoe is tied to cooldowns
And isnt always available
Where fury presses ww/tclap and now they are doing aoe damage
So arms sits on boss, fury more likely to pivot off and fight adds
Im hardly an expert on this stuff tho
limber valve
Hey one more quick question. Why is it that on logs arms is doing SIGNIFIGANTLY ...
because paladins exist as a boss
deft kraken
because paladins exist as a boss
Well yeah but also per boss arms is ahead on almost every one.
limber valve
Fury does less prio dmg in aoe specs, dunno its not a conspiracy
deft kraken
My assumption is that arms is more prone to zerging the boss as their aoe is tie...
Yeah that’s what I thought might be happening. Raid lead wants more boss damage but my fury sims are higher than arms.
rose ibex
Yeah that’s what I thought might be happening. Raid lead wants more boss damage ...
Ngl my raid dps improved a lot when I just ignored adds and focused on the boss unless the stars aligned and bs came up with cs during an add phase
deft kraken
Fury does less prio dmg in aoe specs, dunno its not a conspiracy
lol. Didn’t say there was a conspiracy. Trying to figure out what’s up. My fury thane build sims much higher than arms. Wondering if it’s more a play pattern thing or if I’m missing something.
rose ibex
You must pray to rnjesus to bless with us with sd procs
rose ibex
Fury is one of the best at it i think
Or i should say it seems way better than arms for it haha
Im bad at fury :/
jovial hare
so am i understanding the colo changes to basically make demo borderline rotational in aoe?
pseudo olive
As a casual warrior I’ve been doing some arms keys and my aoe is competitive, but I feel like the boss dmg just makes arms a liability. It’s so awful
jovial hare
nah dog just nuke trash packs
u make up in time by just thanos snapping them
pseudo olive
Yeah I do pretty good aoe, but nothing like those videos on YouTube of that guy doing that 20 pit. It’s also an alt at 270 ilvl 🤣
soft gust
so am i understanding the colo changes to basically make demo borderline rotatio...
10 stack demolish roughly every ~20 seconds
rose ibex
Yeah I do pretty good aoe, but nothing like those videos on YouTube of that guy ...
Pull mobs into boss
Ez
pseudo olive
Haha speaking of that we tried that with the 1 health mobs in pit on a 16. We got smoked. But yeah I know extra mobs help
pseudo olive
No we did, but I think we were in a shit spot by the rock during the aoe
Idk we all died and went to bed
umbral badger
Haha speaking of that we tried that with the 1 health mobs in pit on a 16. We go...
to be fair, when my randos grp tried it "not the 1% hp adds but the same idea" they still nuked the adds without funneling. so you also need a grp that will focsu 100% on the boss so that the add are helpful for the ST
pseudo olive
Yeah I’m sure it’s hard for other classes to not want to pad
umbral badger
Please pm me some guides etc to give arms a try ❤️🐣🐣
wow head guide is conclusive of almost everything
mellow seal
why no ravager on lorgs
dire hinge
why no ravager on lorgs
idk, go ask in their discord: https://discord.gg/jZWj6djJk2
jovial hare
bruh
left shard
So how fucked are we Next Week ?
Enjoying Arms Right now
But I dont know if it holds with Next Patch
stable fiber
it gets better next patch
the new changes they made removed the doom and gloom mostly
left shard
I thought it gets worse
tacit crystal
stable fiber
left shard
Oh I see
So fury is still good and Colosszs Gets better While slayer gets worse
If I Read correctly
rose ibex
Haha speaking of that we tried that with the 1 health mobs in pit on a 16. We go...
Biz says that colossus has great single target only when it can fight extra mobs on top of the boss
Otherwise slayer has a much smoother damage profile
stable fiber
t11 delves
do all 6 of ur keys -> spam lvl 12 dungeons
its better to just cap myth then cap hero through 10-12s imo
nova marsh
I have literally
tight wing
if only we could get myth gear from dungeons more than once a week
cunning smelt
12.0.5
wispy valve
Pretty new to arms is the slayer preferred for M+ if I am doing 15+?
tight wing
Pretty new to arms is the slayer preferred for M+ if I am doing 15+?
Colossus is better numbers-wise iirc
Slayer feels better though imo
cunning smelt
whats coming in .5?
Tokens to roll on additional Myth track loot from M+
tight wing
oh cool
wispy valve
Colossus is better numbers-wise iirc
yeah thats what I thought I just saw some guys doing slayer cause they like bayblade
its better ST too right slayer
tight wing
yeah thats what I thought I just saw some guys doing slayer cause they like bayb...
yeah thats why I like it
tight wing
its better ST too right slayer
yes
you can get the numbers pretty close overall, but colossus is more consistently higher because of the massive AoE capacity iirc
stable fiber
just depends on dungeon
like seat i would almost never argue slayer
1st boss you can drag funnel into, 2nd boss is literally 3t, 3rd boss you can also drag funnel into, 4th boss kinda stnks
latent moss
4th the gap isnt that big
slayer can mega troll you on lura
u can just get no sd and do 0 dmg
while colo always does damage on burn
latent moss
just depends on dungeon
i keep losing ranks on seat gg
was r1 for like a week
well ig not a week but ye xd
stable fiber
crazy colo key
stable fiber
man the spec is just peak
latent moss
with bis trinkets
minor gust
Colo owns in 12.05 fuck 12.0 colo
astral yarrow
Uh DK feels so slow when 1 rune = 10 rp
minor gust
latent moss
Uh DK feels so slow when 1 rune = 10 rp
YE
THIS
IS SO ANNOYING
LIKE IM IN ARMY + DT
stable fiber
scourge strike and death coil feels like they do noting when you push them
latent moss
AND IM SPAMMING SCOURGE STRIK
342895Y632958375238490 TIMES IN AROW
TO PRESS EPIDEMIC
once u dump ur rp from army
its just so fucking cringe to plasy
stable fiber
i checked my details breakdown after a boss
latent moss
i despite that design
latent moss
and its was like 40 different things
ye its cringe
stable fiber
ye its cringe
yeah this is
cool
19 auto attacks
obliterate
death and decay
claw
stable fiber
42 instances of abilities
latent moss
me when im rider and i get a random ams
stable fiber
^^^^
latent moss
stable fiber
random ams
latent moss
did u see
stable fiber
100% movement speed
latent moss
sanlayn ibf
latent moss
keep in mind
death drive got nerfed
like twice
slayer genuinely has no defensive value
death drive heals for fuckall
stable fiber
sanlayn also has a mini speed shout
on a 45 sec cd
sanlayn has 1 weakness and its slow, rider is just thanos spec though
might as well give them lust also
latent moss
man i hope we get some
st buffs for raid
and those buffs make us mega broken in m+
latent moss
sanlayn also has a mini speed shout
bro if ravager gets shot
i lowk think our aoe plays perfect
stable fiber
ive never had a problem with ravager but i could see why its cringe ig
latent moss
same tbh but 1 gcd less on opener should feel better
cause we get cs fucks on impact
which is cool
stable fiber
i thought cleaving on st would be worse but with shaman wf its not bad
i hated the idea but id rather push cleave instead of slam
latent moss
same tbh
man im gonna pug seat just to do 2nd boss as colo
cleave feels so fucking good to press
cant wait for .5 colo
actual goated changes from blizzard
im actually surprised
i thought they were making random changes until i thought about it
stable fiber
i did
300k dps on that boss on a 11 because of the crit buff
and lust
shit is actually juice
do like 1m 3t burst with lust + crit buff + cleave execute
it felt
so good
hybrid needle
Whats the other 2
stable fiber
ik its not that good numbers wise but i love playing spriest
though they also have the issue of useless capstones
latent moss
ngl i dont think i ever had this much fun in aoe
sage bison
hybrid needle
Ive been gone for 3 weeks and just finished fsrming my fury gear
Now it seems i have to farm arms gear instead cause it seems to overtake fury in every aspect soon 
latent moss
already did
slayer arms is just fury but better at everything
colo arms is a lot better in aoe but worse on st
but if u pull 2 mobs on top of boss
colo mogs both
on boss damage
@stable fiber i just realized our funnel is gonna be even crazier
demo gonna have 0 cd
stable fiber
well seeing as i can already extend cs to 2nd cs probably
latent moss
do u have guidon
stable fiber
not yet
but im able to do it in lust on certain bosses
one of those being the 2nd boss of sear
latent moss
ye on lust ye
stable fiber
seat
crazy how good this spec is yet nobody plays it
istg it wasnt even bad in the beta it just did 0 boss damage
it still did egregious aoe
stable fiber
crazy
meager ginkgo
gonna try colossus tonight
latent moss
yeye they reverted all
latent moss
gonna try colossus tonight
have fun remember colo takes some time to get comfortable with
flint cloud
But isn't colo supposed to be better than slayer in the .5 version?
eternal edge
Sounds like we fucking did it?
eternal edge
latent moss
i played it more and dont mind it as much
i play without skyfury 
fervent cedar
But colo is about to be giga in M+ (more so than it already is)
latent moss
both are giga
eternal edge
Just incoming
stable fiber
ic
latent moss
Dominance of the Colossus reduces the cooldown of Demolish by 5 seconds when you would gain a stack of Colossal Might and are already at max stacks (was 2 seconds).
swift plume
guidon good for arms?
latent moss
yes
stable fiber
extend cs into cs possibly
latent moss
its also the only on use
and we are a bursty spec
well colo is
idk how is guidon for slayer
should be good cause of tierset anyway and increased procs
swift plume
makes sense
cerulean juniper
Dominance of the Colossus reduces the cooldown of Demolish by 5 seconds when you...
so thats 10 secs with a mortal strike crit? stack with SS. mmmmm
latent moss
20s with ss up if both crit
cerulean juniper
2 demolish in 1 CS window
latent pasture
idk how is guidon for slayer
Find it good and fun to use. (for raid) Send it on the opener right after bs, u should get it almost on ur 3rd demolish, then when you get every cd you pop it again right after bs
elder path
S tier
cerulean juniper
single target not that great, but melts trash packs
latent moss
i think it was meta in legion season 1?
latent moss
idk i was an m+ noob back then
like 3.5k
but i liked it a lot in s2
with sks
and s3 was fun too
swift flame
pretty sure it had nasty prio damage
stable fiber
and made rend do more damage
swift flame
didn't it make ms do a extra dam + some aoe ?
think the 2p was rend dam and 4p was some weird mortal strike bonus
latent moss
ye s3 was very fun on aoe
latent moss
didn't it make ms do a extra dam + some aoe ?
that was s2
s3 was sd leaves a dot for like 20% of its damage
stable fiber
latent moss
and 4p was sd casts tc at like 200% effectiveness
stable fiber
this wasnt bad afaik
swift flame
ooooo right yer i remember that 1
latent moss
it was very good
but st was kinda cringe sometimes
cause only 1 stack of sd
u could munch a stack
also we played tom
latent moss
so getting unlucky in exe phase
u would end up with a 16% tom
instead of 35% xdddd
@stable fiber im on ptr rn
stable fiber
oh yeah i said i was going to play on ptr then saw i had no binds and alt f4ed insta
barren jay
hi friends, so im looking for arms pvp macros. Please send me those you have 🙂
latent moss
oh yeah i said i was going to play on ptr then saw i had no binds and alt f4ed i...
u get
demo back SO quickly
like u can legit be at full cd at 10 stacks going into wb
and u easily get it
topaz python
we are saved?
dusty anvil
I need an explanation on the wording of this
heavy pewter
I need an explanation on the wording of this
Likewise.
heavy pewter
we are saved?
How are you interpreting this? Because I don't fully understand the wording.
wind hatch
I need an explanation on the wording of this
Previously in the PTR, sudden death would have to hit another target with sweeping strikes in order to trigger a reap the storm proc
Now, reap the storm can be triggered in single target again with sudden death
dusty anvil
Previously in the PTR, sudden death would have to hit another target with sweepi...
Thank you, i wasn't aware of the ptr notes for that change, glad its reverted
wind hatch
whenever your stacks from broad strokes run out
sweeping strikes is always extra damage even in 3 targets
hot meteor
so just keep it up as much as possible
latent moss
yep
hot meteor
theres no window for it
topaz python
How are you interpreting this? Because I don't fully understand the wording.
i feel like it means they keep reap procs when using SD even on st no?
latent moss
yep
lime ruin
Yo slam proccing deep wounds is actually exciting
topaz python
Yo slam proccing deep wounds is actually exciting
but cleave is not
lime ruin
If the ST difference is close enough I'm just going to main colossus in raid no glizzy
latent moss
goat stuff only
vast helm
ashen trout
peep lorrgs, can see top logs CD timing
minor gust
on cd? or when they are 3
Always have rav ready when they are 3
Usually will line up naturally
hot meteor
peep lorrgs, can see top logs CD timing
ravenger not even a cd timer on lorgs
jovial hare
@minor gust the crusade was entirely successful
minor gust
Very much so
I was fine with the compromise they had but like I'll take a full revert too
Y'all are welcome
My ego can only get so inflated
timid elk
I like how we had to fight tooth and nail to get back to where we already are with reap
Big victory
Bliz playing us for fools
minor gust
The other reap changes were fine it was the initial removal from SD that was peak re tardation
That shit had me furious I had to actually go on the forums and spam that shit in here. Was not about to let them make that God awful change
unkempt wren
is there somewhere to find full 12.0.5 notes? are they still neuterting single target abilities causing reap outside of Arms Sudden death proc?
minor gust
is there somewhere to find full 12.0.5 notes? are they still neuterting single t...
Best you got right now is in here
Just scroll up to the first set of ptr notes and scroll down to get the full timeline
rose stratus
bro i love alleria
could be worse
reef prairie
lmfao
north forge
could be worse
bruh lel what boss is that?
minor gust
bro i love alleria
Mpregmafia
rose stratus
m crown
minor gust
🫄
reef prairie
🫄
jovial hare
bro i love alleria
that name is WILD
hot meteor
why do i have like no rage when hitting the dummies somtimes but others its fine
im not hitting execute
minor gust
why do i have like no rage when hitting the dummies somtimes but others its fine
When your auto atks Crit they generate more rage
You are just having moments of RNG
idle harbor
🫄
fringe leaf
so i had some crit/haste jewelry and a few off pieces to run sims as arms and fury and i still out sim on MT fury vs slayer arms in both aoe and ST. anyone else having this? in "arms" gear im 25% crit 25% haste 16% mast 3% vers with a 289 weapon
figured id ease in to arms as slayer as i heard its a bit easier than colossus and better ST for bosses in m+ (if not doing some funnel tech on bosses which most pugs prob wont)
minor gust
Im at 35% crit so you got 10% more to go soldier
fringe leaf
i mean i guess that might be true actually? lol
i'll just put on gloom spattered scale for the base crit lmao
north forge
crit % counts for an unbelievable amount as arms, especially as colossus.
minor gust
realistically its more than fine to play arms in fury gear
fringe leaf
even with the sim gap differene?
im about to go hit some dummies and try different variables of time and see a diff
minor gust
do you want to play arms or you playing it because everyone says its better?
fringe leaf
pref fury but would like to see what all the hype is about tbg
tbh*
well i shouldnt say "pref" fury but its what im more comfy with since its been whats been better in m+ historically
nova marsh
Ain't nothing wrong with trying it
minor gust
then play it have some fun. It doesnt matter what sims are saying for you when comparing the two right now
I havent done any fury sims this expansion so I cant really comment on what the difference could be. Its pretty hard to accuratly sim for M+ anyways besides ST
fringe leaf
yeah i just do multiple mobs as patchwerk in a 1 min pull to simulate what most pulls are like in m+
so different sims of 10 mobs down to 2 mobs
minor gust
If you compared sims between colo and slayer right now it would make it look like Slayer is completely unplayable
but in reality it is very much competitive with colo
fringe leaf
yeah i did do that for shits and giggle the other day lmao
minor gust
I would say just have fun with learning and playing slayer. I would wait till 12.05 to try out colo
12.05 Colo should get a lot more fun and a lot easier to play
north forge
is the demolish CDR change still slated to go live for colo arms?
north forge
holy dooly, colossus AOE about to be wild
smoky kayak
demolish will have a 15 sec cd in aoe
not quite consistently, but it can get pretty low
north forge
do you think that demo change will bring its ST up enough to compete with slayer ?
smoky kayak
Mortal Wounds is making up more of the single target
north forge
albeit still low ST for both hero specs
smoky kayak
whereas more frequent Demolish is compensating for the loss of Cleave/Deep Wounds damage
fringe leaf
just hit the 5 dummies in silvermoon city for ~1:30 as slayer arms and MT fury and my slayer arms i ended around 163k and MT fury 201k either im ass at arms or gear or both
minor gust
not quite consistently, but it can get pretty low
unfort but either way will be some cool moments to get 2 demos in 1 CS
Guidon trinket will assist in colo feeling good I just need to get it
nova marsh
not quite consistently, but it can get pretty low
Does it align better with CS in ST?
minor gust
north forge
5 targets is fury bread and butter. Comparing apples with oranges. Arms flies ahead in a higher target count (especially when thunderclap nerf comes)
smoky kayak
there is no thunder clap nerf
nova marsh
5 targets is fury bread and butter. Comparing apples with oranges. Arms flies ah...
That was offically confirmed to be reverted today
north forge
were the notes that only referenced protection misleading?
nova marsh
A bit yeah
smoky kayak
and Thunder Clap isn't capped either, so Fury actually does quite well against higher target counts
nova marsh
It was observed before hand when the slayer changes were reverted that thane was also reverted
minor gust
Does it align better with CS in ST?
yes Fishy was saying it aligns pretty well in ST now
smoky kayak
not to mention Fury's AoE is also a lot easier to hit targets
minor gust
wide clappa
north forge
It was observed before hand when the slayer changes were reverted that thane was...
oh, nice, this is good news. It looked like it was prot only which was weird at best but i wouldnt put it past Bliz
fringe leaf
the note literally said only prot reverted did it not?
i havent checked since it was posted
nova marsh
the note literally said only prot reverted did it not?
yes
Weird but as far as I know it was already observed that fury was too
But I mean
we all know how good blizzard is at formatting their patch notes COUGH WARBRINGER
fringe leaf
lmao i mean i guess i dont put it past blizzard to put it under the prot tree and then make the change for both prot and fury
smoky kayak
there's no Fury/Prot specific version of Storm Surge, it's just one spell
smoky kayak
I understand that
minor gust
not uncommon from blizz
nova marsh
I feel like we've seen weirder communication from tuning
minor gust
smoky kayak
the point I am making is that the spell data does not support that concept
fringe leaf
the point **I** am making is that the spell data does not support that concept
well this is good then lol
nova marsh
No I won't let the warbringer incident go
smoky kayak
as you can see in my previous #updates-midnight message from several days ago
it's not at all uncommon for patch notes to be slightly inaccurate this way - they're generally put together by CMs who are not always familiar with the actual changes they're writing about
which is why we always verify changes in the data, as able... ofc it's possible that they rewrite the data to support splitting them up at the last minute, but that is not the case at this point in time
next sphinx
Archi did you forget to do your weeklies until the last minute?
quiet bramble
slayer doin good in AA?
quiet bramble
nice 
stable fiber
reap is still pretty good on the first pull
broken minnow
What hero talent after 12,0,5 is looking best atm?
minor gust
unclear ask again when 12.05 comes out
quiet bramble
guys, wut dis?
nova marsh
guys, wut dis?
It unlocks mythic effects for all tier recolors
use it and relog
Also what the fuck is this shit blizzard
quiet bramble
man, out raid set mog is pretty meh
nova marsh
The mogs for all the classes I play are pretty
meh
FUCK
I SHOULD'VE GONE SHAMAN
for my alt
wind hatch
man, out raid set mog is pretty meh
idk I think its pretty sick personally
i really like the gladiator recolor from pvp specifically
quiet bramble
wait, it disappears when u teleport out of the raid?
dire hinge
wait, it disappears when u teleport out of the raid?
this item gave you a (supposed) stacking drop chance on all future kills on Dragonflight boss, of dropping the legendary axe at the time
quiet bramble
but i didnt use it (or did i) 
dire hinge
i think i kept a few in my bank for posterity
dire hinge
that lego's terrible on-use became the Demolish we love and still hate today
gentle sandal
are there any addons that can show custom spell alert now? Need one really badly for Sudden Death. Ideally making the Overpower proc texture work for SUdden Death
safe dagger
what is changing in the patch to buff arms?
reef prairie
that lego's terrible on-use became the Demolish we love and still hate today <:g...
at least it looks cool asf
the weapon i mean
dire hinge
what is changing in the patch to buff arms?
Posted here (you can watch this channel for news): #updates-midnight message
tldr: Sudden Death was going to require 2 targets in order to proc reap the storm. They reverted it.
safe dagger
Posted here (you can watch this channel for news): https://discord.com/channels/...
how bad will the deepwounds change going to be to slayer?
dire hinge
are there any addons that can show custom spell alert now? Need one really badly...
idk any thing about the textures (haven't seen anyone use them yet), but you can make custom alerts with various addons like ArcUI, or if you want a lightweight one: ProcGlows
dire hinge
how bad will the deepwounds change going to be to slayer?
deep wounds change?
or are you talking about Mortal Wounds being moved from Cleave to Slam?
south badge
hey guys i might be playing warrior for my guild going into mythic and ive not had much time to look into it much but is arms the go to spec now for pve dps?
dire hinge
So Arms can pump on every mythic boss, but there's a sigificantly higher amount of folks using Fury for Mythic Raid at the moment. The exception being Vanguard (Paladins) fight, which is Arms heaven.
night bolt
or are you talking about Mortal Wounds being moved from Cleave to Slam?
This i was also wondering
dire hinge
This i was also wondering
well Cleave create a free Slam in 3+ target content thanks to Fervor of Battle, so only 2 targets (one per slam, if swept), so it'll do slightly less, but honestly it didn't do much to begin with so it's kinda whatever
dire hinge
whats the craft tomorrow? Cape?
cape, belt, any low-stat slot
you can embelish your 3rd craft whenever you get a good mythic weapon drop
south badge
So Arms can pump on every mythic boss, but there's a sigificantly higher amount ...
is it cus fury is easier or why do you think that?
night bolt
Ah didnt think about the slam still sweeping. Thanks!
frosty basin
I crafted neck because I couldnt get a neck to drop anywhere was just depressed and crafted it
dire hinge
is it cus fury is easier or why do you think that?
the 2nd weapon on Fury gives them a good health boost over arms (survivability is king on mythic raid), and they can deal with intermittent cleave pretty well while maintaing good single target
also: they have like five buttons so
south badge
the 2nd weapon on Fury gives them a good health boost over arms (survivability i...
ah so for a heroic raider thats gonna try some mythic bosses arms would maybe be better?
dire hinge
either one is perfectly fine imho. Arms can pump the first 3 easily. Mythic Dragons is doable, but a little less common to see. Then 5th boss we shine.
gentle sandal
idk any thing about the textures (haven't seen anyone use them yet), but you can...
Kinda like the spell alerter we get when we get an OP proc off of MS. but for Sudden Death
south badge
either one is perfectly fine imho. Arms can pump the first 3 easily. Mythic Drag...
i wanna try to avoid switching between the 2 til i get the hang of one at first so whichever id have more success on would be the play for me lol
dire hinge
Kinda like the spell alerter we get when we get an OP proc off of MS. but for Su...
right, i know what you're saying, but i haven't seen an addon that can do Textures yet. If it has, i've never seen someon ask for texture yet so it hasn't come up and i am not familiar with it
dire hinge
i wanna try to avoid switching between the 2 til i get the hang of one at first ...
honestly i'd watch some guide videos on both and see which one you like more, then just commit to one. You can always swap if you deeply dislike it
dire hinge
sure thing, #ui-addons-manager might know more
south badge
honestly i'd watch some guide videos on both and see which one you like more, th...
sounds good ty man
dire hinge
of course!
rose ibex
12.0.5 lookin pretty good
gilded trail
rose ibex
I dunno if we are s tier
We strong but not like.... the best of the best
We just have absolute demigods playing the spec pumping the ceiling up
balmy kindle
Boss dmg is low but 
empty sluice
Its nod pad when u drag things to bosses
reef glade
yea
rare instance of warriors actually having funnel
does more damage to a boss when more things are around to hit
balmy kindle
I have no set bonuses and I still slam folks with 4pcs, feels very wrong
reef glade
lol
empty sluice
Well on 19 as colossus I think they play around it
balmy kindle
Yea funnel is pretty nasty
reef glade
funny specialization
thick kelp
they cant
reef glade
or whats happening there
reef glade
empty sluice
Its easy to get stuff into 1st and second boss
reef glade
"115k st dps guys"
empty sluice
And u get spawn mobs on last
reef glade
(350k overall padding on unkillable mobs)
theyre diong something
idk if the necro can be ccd?
thick kelp
yepcock
reef glade
altho i guess it never does anything
i wonder how they just prevent it from dying tho
balmy kindle
Technically it's not padding if the main stuff dies fast
reef glade
cleave top boss dmging ability
cluegi
why is an average hit of cleave higher than ms...
thick kelp
Toobased
reef glade
i wouldve assumed surely cleave is just supplementing between ms's to proc some fobs
but cleave is just doing more dmg to the boss per cast than ms...
empty sluice
Collateral
balmy kindle
Heroic strike hurting more with fervor is meme
balmy kindle
Along with all the% that juices cleave to sky heaven
thick kelp
you just get a 2-3 stack collat on every cleave press
reef glade
but cleave baseline just doing more than ms on a boss seems sacriligeous
yea i mean ig stacking 500 damage bonuses on cleave
thick kelp
check hsi ick and crick
reef glade
collat/ravager/execute
i dont even wanna think about it
o at least this is some ethical cleaving
not having perma undying mobs
thick kelp
Funny how on last boss he held all his cds for the add phases
and still topped boss dam
thick kelp
nvm he didnt do more on scourge
reef glade
gg washed
thick kelp
still did 70k
reef glade
colossus bad
empty sluice
Is feral fixed or no?
reef glade
get some funnel cleave
stable fiber
grip birb
empty sluice
reef glade
get 2 demo's in 1 cs
thick kelp
cant wait for crown prog
reef glade
crown has been fun
reef glade
altho im not longer potting in p1 so thats a little lower and i feel sad
but still decent
stable fiber
think arms should cook in p3 but its not shwon in logs
thick kelp
on crown surely just full st slayer
stable fiber
yes
reef glade
i mean in most vids ur told only range hit the 2stack
but i feel like im just gonna... go over there
stable fiber
u kinda can just go over there
reef glade
not that its even been discussed whos hitting them
but like 2target cleave 1 mob in perma execute range
no way thats not an arms job right
at least until boss is in exe phase herself
then idrc
rather make sure boss dies
thick kelp
but surely colo goes crazy after .5
since u just
double your demo cdr
from that 1 guy existing
considering its already at 25'ish seconds in pure St
reef glade
yea i mean idk do all the extra demo's rly outweigh how far behind colo is on st
balmy kindle
Yeah 5s looking nuts
thick kelp
in 2t sims it consistently goes 15s
reef glade
and risk desyncing with cs sometimes probably
balmy kindle
Considering it's easy to hit 30% crit ++ I reckon it's going to be nutty
reef glade
like u can do it in p2 with some shitter adds i guess
pulsar frost
with reck pot i have 80% crit
Excuse me?
reef glade
and p3 if ur on the double stack
thick kelp
reck pot puts me at around 3.3k raw crit
reef glade
p1 too has little baby adds
thick kelp
Surely I should crit
reef glade
its probably reasonable enough
pulsar frost
Ah them procs and stuff. I should drop lights potential
stable fiber
what does alleria proc?
humanoid i believe but idfk what hunt even does icl
reef glade
i rly hope i get a good cape out of vault or something
its just like 80 of a secondary
usually either haste/crit
stable fiber
Ah them procs and stuff. I should drop lights potential
its good if you know what you are doing
reef glade
honestly my reck pot macro has me cancelauraing if i have an active haste buff
cant be ruining that shit
stable fiber
my guilds dk was losing 50k dps in the beloren burn because he would guidon then reck pot
so his reck pot was proccing haste during lust instead of mastery
which is SUPER bad
reef glade
w
pulsar frost
its good if you know what you are doing
Do explain. Its just when you havw mostly crit as top stat no?
stable fiber
Do explain. Its just when you havw mostly crit as top stat no?
his mastery was his highest stat, but when he used guidon haste was his highest stat
it was a easy fix
just pot before guidon
reef glade
just macro pot into guidon before it
thick kelp
me with pbox
reef glade
i doin that shit on my evoker and lock
me when i press stare for 1.2k mastery then pot for another 1.5k mastery
yipeeeeeee 4000 mastery
surely this wont dr to hell and back
stable fiber
just macro pot into guidon before it
the weird part is, unholy im pretty sure is supposed to use guidon like 5-10 seconds into cds
thick kelp
funny how even with pbox active i still proc crit from reck
ah yes the uhdk ramp
pop cds and everything else 10s late
reef glade
prolly yea ur cds last 30 seconds which is the entire egg phase
trink only 20
im sure they have some small ramp
thick kelp
hero class...
stable fiber
trink is 15
pulsar frost
Man I really need to start swapping to arms. Furys lame rn
reef glade
why are rank 2 health pots 100x the gold of rank 1
thick kelp
guidon sims .2% upgrade over my myth box, should I click bis on reclear
reef glade
and only like 40k more hp
pulsar frost
Gonna start using reckless pots now
stable fiber
why are rank 2 health pots 100x the gold of rank 1
pretty sure you can guranteed get them
need to use conq
cant*
oh wait
stable fiber
its because of the material
balmy kindle
Man I really need to start swapping to arms. Furys lame rn
Really? I thought fury was strong since launch
stable fiber
the jewelcrafting material for pots you cant guranteed max rank craft without conq
so max rank pots will always be stupidly expensive
pulsar frost
Really? I thought fury was strong since launch
Pretty sure arms is vastly better now. At least in keys
Idk much about mythic raiding
But high crit arms sounds lit
reef glade
fury looked good for first several bosses
stable fiber
ethically speaking its just better in mythic raid as well
reef glade
but since paladins onward arms just seems to be owning
even on dragons its probably better
minor gust
guidon sims .2% upgrade over my myth box, should I click bis on reclear
always
reef glade
and fury's padability has gone down heavy
stable fiber
its way better on dragons
reef glade
since entire raid just 1shots all adds fury couldve padded on 3 weeks ago
pulsar frost
Ye my padding is not a thing anymore since guild geared
stable fiber
ethics did not matter early on when mobs needed to die when we didnt have gear
but now pad mobs die to a slight breeze
balmy kindle
Rip I guess it was worth waiting 1 month into season
stable fiber
so you play arms for more boss damage
minor gust
Guidon gonna feel nicer in 12.05 with demolish cdr
thick kelp
pad mobs vs collapsing star
balmy heart
hello guys any arms good here ? i have few questions to ask and don't want to spam there
stable fiber
we did heroic splits for gaze's and the dev dh just oneshot the mobs
minor gust
Arms p3 crown cranks
stable fiber
54% of p3 left and ur doing that much
stable fiber
well more then 54%
reef glade
yea i dont think we successfully hit every p2 arrow once yet
didnt realize but apparently if u miss even a single one u just dont get the 5th set
so ur supposed to hit 10 arrows for 50 energy loss but if you miss one of the first 8 u dont get the last so she only goes down 35 energy
stable fiber
need to clear this raid man
reef glade
so its 50 or 35 and u fuckin die lol
stable fiber
i have so much testing i want to do
i wanna try reck pot on spriest and crank some insane dps on vorasius and nexus king
multiple shit with arms on beloren and crown
but i just cant 😠
reef glade
this is the same pull on p3 where i think everyone died within a 10-15 second window before me, and i was executing the shielded add, but we spawned vorelus wrong so i didnt get to 2target
so this prolly goes up pretty decently if we get the correct movement/spawns going
only 1target execute for like 10-15ish seconds mainly there
reef glade
i mean they can its prolly just like
not as ethical
most range can just split cleave for years
and boss needs to die
but idk
with more gear and dps tho that prolly doesnt matter
like we vantus boss next week and more ilvl and maybe dmg buff surely boss dps isnt even a question
and i just do what i want
but idk
will see if it becomes a problem ig
stable fiber
the only ones that really need to target it are prob mm hunters and dev dh's
spriest can dot and forget
same with lock kinda
reef glade
i better be killin this boss by thursday at the latest or else
stable fiber
p3 dps check will be a joke
reef glade
idk if we can ot anymore this week thats what they said last thursday at least
stable fiber
which was the hardest part
reef glade
2 ot days to see some prog to hopefully bash dis bih this coming week
reef glade
me personally i dont need much gear
stable fiber
nah extending is troll i think
stable fiber
reclear takes 2 hours
reef glade
cuz im top dps on it and hunters arent so killing without vantus may be sus
reef glade
yea we were 6healing
stable fiber
we get 3% next week btw
reef glade
idk fury chat said 1%
balmy heart
spam here bro
i'm kinda struggling with rotation when every buttons are glowing in single target fights and since arms is new to me i'm kinda lost, my few questions are : do i ever press cleave below 3 mobs ? i'm pretty sure cleave became "prio" over heroic strike when mob is below 35% health right ? and second should i always fish for executioner's procc before Mortal strike or i send it on CD ?
reef glade
madox at least did
stable fiber
psure its 3%
reef glade
i would think/hope so
but idk
but yea paladins we were like 15 seconds off the complete hard enrage and very few dps died if any by the end
tank movement couldve been alot better for my 3t cleave at least and tbh i think i can improve my cd timing a lot more too i was gonna like hard follow top log's cds religiously
but if not given the opportunity to than unfortunate
stable fiber
with the gear upgrades and % buff you can 6 heal for free probably
balmy kindle
i'm kinda struggling with rotation when every buttons are glowing in single targ...
Don't cleave below 3
ms on cd
(Assuming you are talking about slayer in raid)
reef glade
this guy randomly just does like 50% more dps at the 5:30 window than me
i think just holds all cds to come up at once in a nice lil 3stack where i mightve used early
or like he holds avatar at a certain point
i gotta get back in on paladins man
balmy heart
Don't cleave below 3
ms on cd
(Assuming you are talking about slayer in raid)
M+ actually i don't like raiding in arms even tho its probably better
reef glade
yea i been holdin one too but not sure if for exactly that
i think i ravagered that without avatar
is the main issue
i looked our first 2 avatars were the same but then third i used like 10s early then 4th like 20s early
and so on
stable fiber
5:30 mark is like start of pull
u want everything
- pot
was thinking about asking for pi there
extra cleave damage + pi + guidon + reck pot with crit
would go BONKERS
reef glade
i prolly shouldve been getting pi but both hunters/a demo was getting it
i dont even got guidon
didnt feel like it was that good
but maybe
stable fiber
itll be nasty on that fight
balmy kindle
M+ actually i don't like raiding in arms even tho its probably better
Ah, just hit cleave on 3T + , otherwise execute and MS take priority.
Not too sure about current slayer but prett sure you wanna spend execute once able
minor gust
gaze mid for arms
reef glade
idk at least on like any sim i can do i dont think guidon showed as better
but maybe it is the like bursty cd nature of that fight
pulsar frost
does arms even enjoy gaze as much as fury?
reef glade
doing as much dmg as u can with a 3stack that would boost it up
pulsar frost
not like you have that fast gcds like fury
stable fiber
you want myth feather
balmy heart
Ah, just hit cleave on 3T + , otherwise execute and MS take priority.
Not too ...
alright, ty for answering
stable fiber
ye
reef glade
smaller peak but its always up on a constant 1min timer
like 160ish average crit over whole duration
stable fiber
2x crit trinkets + better rings could push me to 85-90% crit levels xdd
reef glade
focused more during where you'll likely have cds
yea atp surely u just go mastery lol
stable fiber
prob
reef glade
my st arms sim at least already wants me to not use 2 crithaste rings
stable fiber
5k crit seems not needed
stable fiber
my sims tell me not to replace my seat gloves
reef glade
tho maybe misremembering
reef glade
i rly wanted to replace them but i never got windrunner glove drop
after like 10 keys
the effect is actually worthless on anything but st
moreso as arms where u kinda cant use alleria necklace
have to go for a fat crit neck
reef glade
it felt nice as fury but yea bit too much haste for arms
stable fiber
not even 2 sockets
reef glade
not insane dmg but like makes voidclaws more worth to get slightly
both of them combined about as much dmg as nexus 2set
reef glade
yea idk 1stat gear pieces like that seem too crazy
idk how anyone could possibly have 2 haste only items
im already fighting for crit to be above haste
and only like 2 of my items dont have crit
stable fiber
ill be crafting a cloak tomorrow and putting paladins wep on personally i think
reef glade
yea i simmed that and its just worse
stable fiber
cloak or belt
reef glade
partly cuz i cant make a myth cloak
but even if i can its like +300 or somethin lol
think those uppies worth in other places
stable fiber
prob craft belt actually
reef glade
272 non embellished cape like 100 better than my shitty 276 tho lol
might just do that
i passed up garfrost weap out of vault
small regret now
but eh
getting higher ilvl vorasius trink was nice
could cap out a crisp double 289 trinkets this week
kinda crazy boot one of my biggest upgrades out of raid
ok bed
got 4 fat vaults to open tomorrow
surely i will rise to heights never before seen
balmy kindle
Surely
balmy heart
i'm confused, does that mean i should only change my 2 rings for better upgrades or even the gloves ???
reef glade
and vanquish the elf with unparalleled fervor in the coming evenings
reef glade
i'm confused, does that mean i should only change my 2 rings for better upgrades...
rings are better than rings and gloves
whatever current glove youre wearing with the ring change is what it says is best
itll also like show on your character gear screen thing above all the highlighted changes for the "best sim"
make it a little easier/digestable to see what u should change
reef glade
yea its just comparing the difference between your main combos of gear
you want to know if changing gloves is an upgrade or not, so it makes a combo including gloves and shows it to u in relation to all the rest
i just want these arms changes out
even slam deep wounds will make hitting that button feel fun