arms

[pastel whale]

That’s with no buffs yeah

Well buffs I don’t bring

[olive topaz]

Thane Fury ST is pretty bad too yeah

[pastel whale]

tbh warrior ST is just bad in general compared to other classes this season

[olive topaz]

😔

[pastel whale]

slayer fury in TWW S3 was just chefs kiss

[untold pewter]

Ew fury

[olive topaz]

Arms at least has the damage profile to dominate certain bosses though

[untold pewter]

But yes our ST feels underwhelming

[olive topaz]

Like first in Maisara

Or Tree boss in AA

[dim basalt]

Col cranks with funnel

[untold pewter]

Well that's funnel not ST

[pastel whale]

if the raid this season was just ST bosses, warriors would be screwed lol

[untold pewter]

Maybe then they'd buff our execute at least

I miss the execute climb

[pastel whale]

just give me back raging blow slayer meta

[latent moss]

i always do insane st on last boss magisters

for some reason

[olive topaz]

Personally I always disliked being strong at the end of the fight

[untold pewter]

I dislike being strong only at the end but being strong at the end is awesome

[olive topaz]

Because that tends to become a shorter and shorter portion of the fight as you get stronger

[latent moss]

i dont think our dmg profile was ever better than our current

[silk spade]

very true

[latent moss]

we just need a bit more st

colo needs

[dim basalt]

soonTM

[latent moss]

true

[silk spade]

hi conus

[pastel whale]

yeah i mean the fact execute is technically near the "filler" abilities in rotation other than select conditions is just sad in general

[dim basalt]

Biz will do unholy damage in .5 lol

[latent moss]

hi zhaius

[latent moss]

colossus only

[untold pewter]

Nah shadowlands season 2 was very good for example

Good aoe, good execute, decent ST

[olive topaz]

Slayer Arms just now feels best Arms has ever felt to me since SL (from pure gameplay perspective)

[slow saddle]

I mean our exclusive funnel power

does seem the best its been

[latent moss]

nah current is better

[untold pewter]

Hard disagree
Current lacks st

[latent moss]

i hope they give us our tierset

[untold pewter]

Back then we lacked nothing

[latent moss]

as a talent

we lacked mass aoe

[pastel whale]

the funnel is nice with cleave but as soon as those adds die, your damage is a wet noodle

[latent moss]

but everyone lacked it aside from what

mage

lock unholy

[untold pewter]

We didn't
Merciless bonegrinder whirlwind covered that + ancient aftershock

Our mass aoe was good

[slow saddle]

no

our st is pretty decent stil as slayer

[dim basalt]

Having this tierset as a talent would be banger

[slow saddle]

and funnel is also good as slayer

[pastel whale]

ah thought you were talking about colo

yeah slayer is fine

[latent moss]

ye in s3 not in s2

[latent moss]

surely we get it

[dim basalt]

I dont see why we wouldnt

[latent moss]

otherwise the more demolishes will just feel bad

[pastel whale]

ST slayer is MS > HS > SD > OP right or have i got that completely wrong?

[dim basalt]

Assuming we get a small rework in .1

[olive topaz]

Need to study the old Critcake videos brother https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PWw5BAmTm5s

[untold pewter]

God how I miss these days

I wish demolish was just reskinned ancient aftershock

Especially with the little knockdowns

What a blast

Also no cast, just instant press and boom

[olive topaz]

Tbf that video was after the 0.5 patch of S2 where the great uncappening happened

But yeah I loved that build too

[untold pewter]

On execute HS takes prio over MS and you MS with 2 stacks of EP

[untold pewter]

Yeah that's what I was referring to

[pastel whale]

ty

[olive topaz]

Kyrian also felt really good that season

With the legendary that gave it the crit damage amp and soulbind that lined it up with warbreaker

[untold pewter]

I wasn't much of a kyrian enjoyer only played it for keys that had running/jumping mobs iirc

But that's already stretching my memory

[latent moss]

thats post uncapping and mbg buff

[untold pewter]

Yeah but s2 nonetheless

[olive topaz]

Still in S2 🤓

[untold pewter]

I never said early or later I just said s2 cuz I didn't precisely remember the patch but I knew it was s2

[latent moss]

idk the s2 i remember was eb nf dreamweaver

mega st

decent aoe

back when we played the exact same talents in raid and m+ xdd

now we have 9 aoe talents

[untold pewter]

Tbh idc about any of that I just care about how the gameplay feels and how the numbers feel
The whole "not changing talents" doesn't matter to me if I boot up and it feels good to raid and to do keys

Right now it does feel good to do keys
It does NOT feel good to raid mythic

[astral yarrow]

that goes for both specs

fury keys doesnt even feel that good

[latent moss]

this is the first time fury is genuinely unfun

for me

slayer is a mess and thane is insanely boring

[pastel whale]

Yeah thane should not be the go to spec

[astral yarrow]

i despise slayer fury and find thane the more enjoyable of the two since it plays more like tww did

slayer arms is growing on me

[pastel whale]

Slayer in TWW S3 felt amazing with the raging blow slayers strike stuff

[astral yarrow]

playing colossus outside of giga aoe i want to end it right there

[scarlet garnet]

oi myth chim should i go down first or 2nd grp

[astral yarrow]

rocking up to last boss pit of saron with no way of pulling stuff onto him and doing 48k st is illegal

[pastel whale]

😂

Truuuuueeee

[pastel whale]

Just pull the frost monster no pussy

[latent moss]

can u pull the big ahh dragon

[astral yarrow]

first is parse group

[scarlet garnet]

AYY THATS ME LAD

[astral yarrow]

second is the giga gamers who dont care too much

i got rank 1 first week in group 2, but its probably so optimized you arent getting anywhere close if not group 1 now

[astral yarrow]

i dont even know about dargon and frost monster

[pastel whale]

I was joking

I was talking about the tunnel ice dude 😂

[astral yarrow]

pretty sure the gate doesnt open before he dies

[rough pewter]

anyone can explain to me how arms does dmg in raid as colossus? i tried and i was rly bad

[latent moss]

i dont think u can skip him at all

[astral yarrow]

it doesnt

it does add damage in raid xd

[rough pewter]

yeah??

[astral yarrow]

i though maybe skipping the trash in the hallway, killing the dude and then pulling trash to boss could work

but that is soooooooooo far to drag 2 casters

[astral yarrow]

which is then dependant on other people in your group doing less add damage

its kind of the fury issue, but worse, since your bust isnt as fast

[latent moss]

idk sounds like a time loss

[astral yarrow]

i am giga sure it is

[latent moss]

since u funnel onto the miniboss anyway

and that mini boss has a fuck ton of hp

[astral yarrow]

but it would feel good for me on the boss, so thats obviosuly better overall

[latent moss]

ye

[astral yarrow]

i am the main character of my keys obviously

[thick kelp]

as you should be king

[astral yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dropped-this-king-you-dropped-this-queen-you-dropped-this-you-dropped-this-king-meme-you-dropped-this-meme-gif-25206668

[ionic mica]

Simming a 2min trinket in a 40s pill is going to overvalue it anyway, try simming 2mins

[thick kelp]

still my best trinket by far

[pastel whale]

I just despise the puzzle box

It’s great but it can fuck off

I’m just so shit at knowing when to use it

[fair tinsel]

bought a h vorasius trinket for 500k, fuck my puzzle

inb4 I get one first m kill

[pastel whale]

I wish it worked like cursed stone idol where you can use it mid charge

And for some reason Alnseer sims worse than solar flare prism

Yet everyone glazing it like crazy

[viscid blaze]

When playing M+ as colossus, should I always wait to use CS with Demolish? there about 8 seconds with CS off cool down

[thick kelp]

yes

[velvet vessel]

look at my fuckups on rotation,
Use
‍Overpower if you have 2 charges ready and 80+ rage. why is the 80+ rage a thing for OP?

[thick kelp]

so you dont starve yourself of rage

[velvet vessel]

you you should press OP on low rage not high

or am I stupid?

[spring vale]

if you only wait to use it at low rage you will be rage starved

[velvet vessel]

i dont mean taht

I mean, the priority list says OP at 2 stacks and 80+ rage
MS
OP

the 80+ rage makes no sense on my head

[spring vale]

where are you seeing the 80+

[velvet vessel]

this is on maxroll, on wow head just says OP

[spring vale]

It doesn't show that for me on Wowhead at all lol

oh maxroll lmao

classic

[velvet vessel]

I MEAN, its curated by revvez i assume its correct

[analog patrol]

xd

[spring vale]

I'd trust Wowhead/Icy Veins on this one instead

[scarlet garnet]

in first downs grp on chim myth, padding on ads or boss? if ads are getting pumped i may as well send on the boss early aye

[velvet vessel]

if you wanna kill boss and need the ST yes

[scarlet garnet]

copy that

[velvet vessel]

atm i just pad adds (but I play fury there)

depends if you actually can pad there

[scarlet garnet]

i wanna play fury but cant craft or find a 2nd 2h it is what it is

[velvet vessel]

m+ xD spam that shit

[scarlet garnet]

ove

ive done

like 80 12's

[velvet vessel]

oof

[scarlet garnet]

im not that guy

[velvet vessel]

your weapon is my Seat gloves

non existant

[scarlet garnet]

i got those out of first vault lmao

[velvet vessel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/congrats-nice

with leech

[scarlet garnet]

big leech enjoyer

the worse you are at the game the better the loot

[half crane]

how long does the ravager buff last? it seems like the hits only go for 6 ticks and then cleave damage falls off a cliff?

[dim basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-congrats-kid-congratulations-nice-gif-11565253382391449339

[thick kelp]

its like 12s according to wowhea

d

might be prot ravager diff

arms might last only 8s

oh its 12s for arms too

[daring heron]

is it rly

is it shorter with more haste

[dim basalt]

Doesnt feel that way at least

[half crane]

can anyone tell why the 3rd and 4th cleave and the like 7th or 8th hit like wet noodles in this log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d7LZ1Dfjkx83RNBv?fight=5&type=damage-done&pull=1&source=3&ability=845

i think there's a mistake with overpower + rend but

dunno why it's dropping that much

guessing collateral damage for 7th + 8th but it's still like half damage

[rare kite]

Was in tww atleast

[thick kelp]

I think its hasted

cuz that makes sense right?

Holy fuck I just realized how dumb that sounds LMAO

"Yeah this one stat makes one of my dmg increase buffs last less duration"

[shut token]

how is colossus single target compared to Fury mountain thane single target?

[spring vale]

living up to my name

[shut token]

What spec do you delve in? 🙂

[spring vale]

Arms, it owns

real talk, its because in delves you have so many mini pulls with at least 3 targets even if you choose to go slow to not die so you can always funnel big with cleave

[thick kelp]

coughing child vs hydrogen bomb

[shut token]

Alright so Thane ST is decent, i thought it was bad

[past rampart]

[dim basalt]

If anyone showed this screenshot in TWW nobody would believe it

[past rampart]

agree xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsCiMCFdkfA

mb if you already share it

[olive topaz]

It’s not good compared to specs that do real ST

But it’s better than Colossus ST

[shut token]

Lol alright that explains it 😄

[slow saddle]

Wdym Thane does almost same as slayer fury st ?

theres like 3% difference

[rare kite]

he means compared to like demo or unholy

not many specs in m+ that does "real" st tho

[lunar acorn]

How many fricking delves do you have to do to get valeera to 60? I did so many and also collect curios and stuff and she is not even 45

[slow saddle]

Saddest part bout fury

Nothin 2 do with m+

Just 20k behind in pure st

Both arms and fury should do at least another 10-15

[rare kite]

warrior real cooked in raid this tier, except arms for paladins

[latent moss]

bad times indeed

[slow saddle]

And only imho due 2 undertuned

Exept last 3 there we cooked good🤣

Like every melee

[astral yarrow]

kind of exacerbated by tank tuning as well

druid/monk/pwar are the only tanks you want and dk is the tank you bring if the fight needs it

[dim basalt]

double bdk dragons gaming

[bright grove]

Is there any guide that specifies ST, 2target and Execute priority lists for colossus when you are in AoE/M+ spec? Wowhead priority list looks like it assumes ST spec with execute talents etc.

[rare kite]

trutru

[astral yarrow]

the parsing dream

[dim basalt]

me tmr

Only me and sham hitting adds

[rare kite]

no devourers?

[dim basalt]

Not allowed to hit adds

[rare kite]

[astral yarrow]

[dim basalt]

If I dont get R1 that way Im giga washed

If I go col then me and sham should be able to kill them alone within a few globals

[astral yarrow]

ST and 2 target are the same cause of sweeping strikes (barring collateral damage cleave). 3+ targets is the multitarget thing on wowhead

if you want really specific things, you are better off doing a quick sim of the different target counts and checking the sample ability breakdown to reason out specifics (for example when to cast cleave whith collateral damage)

[hasty pumice]

is there any list in terms of actual rough DPS output for M+? I'd like to know which specs are more prio damage / ST focused etc since playing Col in pugs doesnt always mean you get appropriate funnel

and I don't wanna have 3 aoe gods who suck at prio / boss damage

I can only find the amazing 50 billion useless tierlists online

[spring vale]

Basically knock out your 4 daily bountiful delves even if you have no keys, they still give hero crests on t11 so its not too bad (as well as Valeera exp + reward track progress)

[dim basalt]

I dont think there is

[past rampart]

there is a big difference overall atm between slayer and demolish ? (in MM+) ?

[steep citrus]

the boss damage is significant at higher levels

[past rampart]

with slayer ? like in monocible ?

[slow saddle]

Just play slayer tbh

[halcyon hamlet]

On the craft of the mythic weapon - is there any difference between the axe and the two handed sword in terms of arms damage? Or it's just the same?

[slow saddle]

No

[steep citrus]

same

[halcyon hamlet]

Cool so its just cosmetic no more of the higher damage bracket. Thx for the answer!

[past rampart]

i will keep slayer to so 🥲

[cold kestrel]

can someone give me a quick answer please? i'm playing colossus in m plus. trash damage is great, single target is pretty dog shit no? or i'm just bad

[inland ingot]

You are right, ST damage from colossus in m+ is awful. If you’d like some compromise between ST and AoE, I suggest playing as slayer

[cold kestrel]

thanks!

[past rampart]

agree even if demolish stay in my heart, ST is better overall i think

[sharp tide]

yeah unless your group pulls additional mobs for you in higher keys it's kinda rough

[past rampart]

for now i do +13/14 max so

is not verry verry hight 🥲

[bronze nest]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/arms/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hFupgVF2LnXJYWRBKgW623

This doesnt make sense

[slow saddle]

What

[bronze nest]

gaze is top for trinkets

and for me it sims1% lower than plume

[pastel whale]

Yeah gaze isn’t the best for arms I’ve noticed

It’s good but not the best

[past rampart]

depend on the stuff that you have now and your stat to

[slow saddle]

Well its insane in aoe

Go check there

[pastel whale]

Solarflare prism is simming higher for me in aoe

Than seer

[past rampart]

like i've my trinket bis and the one of AA is better for now

[pastel whale]

Yeah it might be but puzzle box ew

[past rampart]

y

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/81AujEW4xVveFnFvwRcr6b (mono)

[slow saddle]

The st man

Holy mother of fuck its bad

[pastel whale]

Lel

[past rampart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sfxZ77oFJKKwmPNgr2VxAq (multi)

[balmy kindle]

i am afraid our aoe gonna get us the nerf bat

[slow saddle]

It can

[past rampart]

58k in slayer is verry low no ?

[slow saddle]

Juat fuckin. Buff col st by 40%

[pastel whale]

I mean I think my slayer sims 65k

[slow saddle]

Arms just have bad st

Like i dno what u expect

[balmy kindle]

my main gripe atm is every pull you just start with little rage

[past rampart]

yeah but, have a bad ST in multi why not, but a bad ST in ST build, meh

[slow saddle]

I mean then the st has to stsrt.higher imho

[pastel whale]

Does arms even have an ST build

[past rampart]

yeah yeah but, even with that, for 271 ilvl i mean, for me, is verry low i think

[latent moss]

in m+ slayer st is good

[pastel whale]

What’s your stat distributions?

[latent moss]

i basically always outdps my sim

[pastel whale]

I aim for like 900 crit/haste then rest mastery

[past rampart]

30% crit
17% haste
3% versality
20% mastery

[dim basalt]

Stats dont matter

[past rampart]

(with no buff, no flask, no battle shout)

[pastel whale]

Haste seems low

[latent moss]

doesnt matter

equip what sims say

[dim basalt]

good gameplay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stats

[past rampart]

yeah yeah always

[pastel whale]

lol

[past rampart]

sim > all

[pastel whale]

What about good gameplay and good stats

[dim basalt]

just wear what sims say

Dont need to care about stat distribution

[hasty pumice]

actually

[dim basalt]

Its not gonna change anything

[hasty pumice]

the ST boss damage is higher than fury

[past rampart]

sim can tell us what pick between slayer and colosseus u think ?

[pastel whale]

It’s not

[slow saddle]

Not on sims🤣

[hasty pumice]

on vorasius mythic arms slayer has more boss damage than fury on average

[dim basalt]

You wear the same gear for both

[past rampart]

i see

[pastel whale]

Meh don’t log check like that

[dim basalt]

We have to minmax so little when it comes to gear

[slow saddle]

Yes but jere we go into tec

[pastel whale]

All sorts of variancy

[past rampart]

i'm gonna stay in demolish i think and endure what will coming for us

[dim basalt]

Arms also likes mastery which confuses some people

[bright grove]

Mainly curious about where execute and SD fall in, since you dont have all the execute talents in M+ spec, which the ST Colossus prio list assumes on wowhead.

[slow saddle]

For avg user on vora 100% fury

[pastel whale]

If you have a good tank demolish is good

[hasty pumice]

maybe its time to stop dooming

arms is good and absolutely busted in M+

[pastel whale]

Yeah but can you tell me the single target bosses this patch

Oh wait

There’s non

[slow saddle]

Now let me tell u how 2 do that. U need to hard bait adds and switch sides. To cleave on to boss at all times

[split ocean]

Would you say that arms is more a simple playstyle to fury?

[dim basalt]

In M+ you can compete with any spec in ST though

[slow saddle]

No

[dim basalt]

As Slayer, at least

[hasty pumice]

alright guys keep on dooming hf

[pastel whale]

Slayer is similar but colossus is harder

[slow saddle]

Arms is way harder, to maximize cpz we depend on shit

[slow saddle]

Im not doomkn

[pastel whale]

Have fun pulling 70k dps on vorasius

[past rampart]

you all take this ?

[slow saddle]

Im tellin u how they obtain the numbers as arms

[hasty pumice]

i had 100k+ in a wipe pull

regards

[slow saddle]

Its more clunky

[dim basalt]

I think you underestimate how good he actually is

[slow saddle]

Than just hug boss 100k

But that is what can make arms shine

[pastel whale]

It’s not about how good he is, it’s about how good your team is

[dim basalt]

yes and no

[slow saddle]

I mean, also that ofc. But most of the hardcore arms guys in here

Are fuckin mad

[past rampart]

after all, in demolish monocible, if we do not cleave like zogzog, the dps overall is ok

[pastel whale]

If your team are pulling adds far then arms will be shit

[slow saddle]

Yup like my prog

Adds in mars

Always same side

Tried to speak up

D e n i e d

[dim basalt]

Tbf theres little reason to care about logs in a 1k+ WR guild

[lyric wing]

hey guys do you sim DSlice for Arms or 5-8 targets for Mplus Sims?

[slow saddle]

I know but its mpre funner

[pastel whale]

Yes and no, dps checks are quite heavy

[dim basalt]

Actually, logs never matter anyway

[slow saddle]

100% boss dies all goos

[past rampart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dhgw2s1M5rqzdma6HyifQG

[dim basalt]

If you play for logs in a good guild youre gonna get benched

[pastel whale]

Oh 100%

[slow saddle]

But deffo fury is easier 2 do good dmg

[past rampart]

10k less than slayer

[hasty pumice]

Wtf 86k DPS on boss and 13k on adds

[past rampart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1vbUPnCGwjT8SDns5crFhg

[pastel whale]

If I see anyone logging in my raids I get rid of them

[hasty pumice]

While playing slayer without cleave

[past rampart]

but 70k more in multi

[slow saddle]

And thats on reclear or prog?

[scarlet garnet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J8WZrcPx29zH7tgG?fight=40&type=damage-done its a wipe log but any advice would be good ty

[slow saddle]

Y that boss is hopelesss

Interrupt adds in p2

End of story

[past rampart]

it's ok for you, you think ? (wowhead build)

[latent moss]

yes thats the standard m+ colo buil;d

[past rampart]

keep it safe (demolish build for mono)

[thick kelp]

What am i witnessing

[olive topaz]

I believe that’s from the Biz guide

[latent moss]

is beacon of hope just bugged in delves or

tried in both the calamity one in silvermoon

and shadowpoint in void zone

i click it while on top of the stone

and nothing happens

ig maybe cause i used one already?

earlier this week

[fresh spire]

[thick kelp]

y

its capped once per week

[latent moss]

ye he spawned

and gave me

75 undercoins

xaaxaxxaaxax

after i killed him

i guess bro

[zealous sphinx]

Is it normal to do always quite better overall on demolish build than slayer

[latent moss]

ye

[latent moss]

forgot to swap lootspec to unh

got a tank trinket

xddddd

[thick kelp]

xddddd

[untold pewter]

I also did 86.8k on Vora this last reclear (Saturday), also slayer without cleave
But saying that is "good" and that "arms is good for raid" is a huge stretch

It's playable, not good

And comparing to fury is kind of moot

Both are not good

Like we're good for dragons and paladins yeah, we're not really good elsewhere
We're like mid at best, which I think is ok but let's not stretch it

[smoky garden]

Hello, i'm playing mostly Slayer Arms and my executioners stacks falls off from time to time. Is it normal i'm not getting an SD prock for over a 20s?

[stable fiber]

I think arms is playable - pretty good on a lot of these fights

[untold pewter]

Huh you mean executioner's precision?

[smoky garden]

no

[stable fiber]

It's bad on the only boss that matters thoufh

[wind hatch]

sometimes u just get really bad rng

[stable fiber]

Which is lura

[untold pewter]

Devourer is pretty good
We're mid

We're pretty good on dragons and paladins tho

[smoky garden]

ah sorry its not that, one sec to get to a dummy

[stable fiber]

I think its good enough on most bosses except l'ura

[smoky garden]

those stacks

[stable fiber]

Unfortunately I cannot test on beloren, and the 1 dps warrior kill of it has been fury so far

[untold pewter]

We don't have enough data for lura and belo'ren to be fair
Neither cosmos
We're not pretty good on cosmos based on current data

[stable fiber]

Think it's highest dps in p3 if you target the right shit

Just watching the boss for like 40+ pulls

But the 2 phases before you are worthless

[untold pewter]

The 4 recorded logs don't show that either...

[stable fiber]

Ik

When we are reclearing soon I'll show it off

[astral yarrow]

Eroka played arms

[stable fiber]

But I'm certain it's much better in p3 then shown

[astral yarrow]

perks of having tanks being onetricks

downside is that he is now tanking L'ura

[stable fiber]

Lmao

[astral yarrow]

i attribute me logging off warrior rest of tier to eroka

[vale lion]

guys what am i doing wrong, im kinda new to the game, so i wanna ask how to improve this

[vapid jolt]

does anyone know if this talent on raidbots is only showing 5%/5% per rank or will it be the 7%/3% like it is ingame

[sturdy flicker]

Was messing around with sims. Prior to tomorrow cache

Seems weapon over crafted is really minor. Unless I'm doing something wrong

But I put 2nd embellishment on bracers and put 289 weapon on and was so minor.

Is that accurate or am I messing something up thought the weapon damage would be pretty important

[untold pewter]

Nearly impossible to gleam enough data from this screenshot

[tacit crystal]

no thatd be correct,

[untold pewter]

It's accurate, you can read more into the crafting recommendations on the wowhead guide too

But yes we usually go bracer+weapon

If you get a myth weapon

[sturdy flicker]

So weapon pic up later pretty much

[untold pewter]

You may drop the crafted one (useful for fury still)

And craft cloak+bracer with 2x arcanoweave

[sturdy flicker]

True guess it's pretty big fury and I play both

Just don't wanna play fury anymore arms more fun

[wind hatch]

here's my breakdown from a 15 WS

it is pretty hard to give any specific advice without a log or vod to look at though

[vale lion]

okay cool, how do you end up getting demolish so high because you click it when its at 10 stacks of colossus might or maybe im just clicking it at the wrong times because i seem to never get it that high in any key i do

[untold pewter]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#rotation-multiple-targets

[wind hatch]

the most important thing about demolish is using it while cs is active

stacks are secondary to that

stacks aren't nearly as important as they were in tww

[untold pewter]

• Inside CS
• With at least 5 stacks (if the mobs will live long enough for you to finish the 4x cleave 1x MS)
• That MS will actually give you 2 stacks (with SS)

If mobs won't live like mythic dragons

You just Warbreaker->Demolish asap

Then you do the cleaves after

But you'll also already have 10 stacks

So like in a dungeon your first pull will have this opener in the image above

Next pulls and everytime thereafter

You should already be at 10 stacks

Before the next demolish

And like Dokran said, ONLY Demolish inside CS

[vale lion]

awsome guys ty i really do appriciate it, ill come back with improvements and kee you updated and ask more questions

[untold pewter]

Be sure to truly read the wowhead rotation page like

Go beyond just the order of skills

And read the "why"s

[livid basin]

so wa work now or no?

anyone have tried cook something?

[still dust]

Bit of a bump on this, we're going back in this evening and I don't really know what to do if that happens again
Would prefer not asking them to swap to fury on this fight lol, appreciate any help c:

[zealous sphinx]

Do you just use throw as part of your rotation or just in dungeons when its actually needed(against a shied)

[viscid fossil]

how is arms with fury gear compared to arms in arms gear

[lean geode]

Generally arms is more forgiving with stat distributions, but also it would be sick if there were a way to SIMulate the TOP GEAR that your character can use in RAID, like some sort of roBOTic tool

[viscid fossil]

im sitting in queue 😘

you gave me a valuable assesment tho

thanks

[wind hatch]

throw is a pretty nice filler in single target that can help with rage a bit, I always take it

shields are also really common this season

[fresh spire]

Bowl be like

[lean geode]

I need to workshop my subliminal messaging a bit more, I fear

We'll get there

[soft gust]

The log shows you as capped or near cap on rage for most of the pull. You also are meleeing outside of a gap after the lust where you aren't hitting with any abilities, probably moving for a mechanic. But during that gap you're sitting at greater than 75 rage.

You'll have more melee damage at the start in lust but I dont see any indication of "no rage generation" in the log

[still dust]

I mean I don't see what could be causing not being in melee for 20/30s on this boss (especially 40s into the fight)
He's even pressing overpower during that time

Isnt that no rage gen between 40sec and 1:10 here ? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/14BZjayhgqP6zvtJ?type=resources&source=46&fight=34&spell=101

[still dust]

Also the first screen shot you sent was hp not rage I think ?

[soft gust]

he presses demolish, and then his only damage is dots for a long time

[soft gust]

oh whoops, didn't think that would be the default for resources

[still dust]

Yeah he gets no rage so he cant do anything else than overpower here

[kind stag]

whats the dps diff for dropping crushing force and using stance mastery?

[still dust]

I don't know if that's a bug or player issue but I really don't see how you could send abilities and not have a single melee go through

[soft gust]

about -.5% ST, plus +.5% aoe

give or take

[kind stag]

so more used for defensive stance shenanigans then i guess

[soft gust]

fair

[reef glade]

ya no melee for 15sec straight does seem strange, u sure he's like... right on the boss the whole time? they do move around a lot so u do kinda have to actively be following/chasing them

[soft gust]

It feels like an uptime issue, but hard to tell if its a bug without video of what he's doing

[still dust]

Replay looks fine to me and melees have the same range as overpower right ?

[reef glade]

im not sure how accurate replay is but if the red cone is any indicator of which way he's facing it looks like he's targetting senn on the right and is surely out of range to hit her?

either by distance or more likely direction

but hard to know for sure without like an actual vod

[still dust]

Don't have that at hand unfortunately

[reef glade]

yea i mean i think just in general try to make sure character is directly facing whichever one ur attacking cuz if the replay is to be believed it seems like he's targeting the one 90 degrees to the right of him

[still dust]

Still weird that he can overpower but no melee with the same distance / angle to the boss

[reef glade]

as far as i know there shouldnt be any kind of bug where u dont melee for 15 seconds straight

[still dust]

Yeah and I'd assume it would be documented if it existed

[soft gust]

Yeah I haven't heard of anyone having that issue, and haven't had it personally

[viscid fossil]

im doing more st dmg in my first arms key than as fury on average

[kind stag]

shocker

[viscid fossil]

ST

[still dust]

He's usually a fury one trick so first raid night where he's playing arms

[olive nest]

If he’s not doing melees for 15 seconds on paladins he’s probably assigned to an execution sentence that is not in range of the bosses

[still dust]

Nah that's not during soaks and I made sure to assign him to the melee one anyway so he gets cdr during it

I guess we just pull tonight and hope it doesnt happen again, worst case i'll look for the not facing the target thing again :/
Thanks for the input 👍

[tacit crystal]

make them record pov

[olive nest]

Wait

Are you guys mass dispelling on pull?

Could one of them be getting missed lol

[tacit crystal]

oh dear

[soft gust]

okay yeah I think I know what he did

[weak wave]

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[olive nest]

BRO MY ATTACKS WTF
immune target

[soft gust]

He's standing far away from the bosses for about 5-10 seconds, so he can't auto

Once he moves up, he's targeting senn the whole time

Who is not near him

Senn is the one to the top left of him in the replay

[reef glade]

https://tenor.com/view/ptsd-war-world-war-soldier-tank-gif-14061449787272226136

atrocious waste of time mechanic

[olive nest]

It really is among the dummest mechanics I must say

[reef glade]

in a heroic with 3 priests and one misses md cuz lust was late other 2 just sit there waffling

[soft gust]

You can see him target swap to senn when looking at auto attack damage

after which he never gets near her

[tacit crystal]

why is dragindeez playing dev and not aug

[reef glade]

cuz im not stupid as fuck

[tacit crystal]

@quasi torrent

[reef glade]

i will not be depending on other primates to do damage

when i could be doing it myself

[tacit crystal]

i need to gear my aug for keys

[quasi torrent]

why would you ping me

[olive nest]

Can’t cheese Aug targets anymore so who cares

[tacit crystal]

i cant stand not getting i vites

@reef glade feed me

[quasi torrent]

well then shouldve stopped playing warrior 3 xpacs ago

[rare kite]

brother not again

[tacit crystal]

bro i dont want to play dk

[rare kite]

play demolock. it's getting more and more plays

[viscid fossil]

ranged zzz

[sage bison]

send 2-3 Dagestan and forget, also holy ethical dstance

[olive nest]

Warlock is cool and all but ain’t no way I’m being the gate bitch

[still dust]

lmao

[sharp wyvern]

yeah its better to play a spec with a raid buff

[olive nest]

Ethical dstance user 🤝

[still dust]

I'll be on the lookout for this specifically then thanks

ngl as long as we dont wipe to damage i'd rather they dont die and have 50% dstance uptime lol

[olive nest]

Absolutely

He should run stance mastery and use dstance often

[reef glade]

damage thing should mostly depend on hunters and tanks

[tacit crystal]

but if i play demo

then laval cant play

🙁

[reef glade]

though I had to be that zawg for my group

oh no so sad 🙁

[rare kite]

but if you play aug you lose all your dignity

[tacit crystal]

dignity isnt real compared to my io

[olive nest]

LOL

[rare kite]

just get the io as warrior. arms kinda owns

[tacit crystal]

what group

[rare kite]

idk take noxiv's spot

[tacit crystal]

yeah man

[shut token]

Is it sometimes viable to run ST spec in mythics as well? Say if others have good aoe and you focus on bosses and higher hp mobs and cleave with sweeping strikes?

[viscid fossil]

can confirm. just tried arms for the first time and im swapping

[reef glade]

should always have some aoe but if u want more single target can play slayer instead of colo

[viscid fossil]

rotation is nice, output is nice

[reef glade]

don’t think there is any world u drop the cleave button for m+ tho

[kind stag]

if you want more ST in m+ you go slayer

or if you want to play less jank arms you also go slayer

[shut token]

Is it true that slam will be applying deep wounds in coming patch? Will that affect our rotation or gameplay?

[rare kite]

it is true. just means col won't be using cleave on st

[tacit crystal]

you sure you still dont during ravager and in execute?

[rare kite]

not sure about ravager+execute but just execute itself yeah pretty sure

@fresh spire @thick kelp confirm?

[fresh spire]

[rare kite]

hi

[fresh spire]

uh

for .5
cleave>slam when ravager when 1 target
cleave if rav+colat 3 > op 2 target
cleave if rav/or colat 3>slam 2 target

[rare kite]

cleave>slam on 1t? aint no way

[tacit crystal]

hahaha i knew it

@fresh spire gm fishy

[fresh spire]

oh i forgot

only during ravager

[kind stag]

so

nothing rly changes

[rare kite]

yea that makes more sense

[reef prairie]

Nothing ever happens patch

[shut token]

it bugs me that arms have to spend so many talent points to get aoe damage when many specs can have both ST and AoE in basically the same build

[dire hinge]

yeah that's been an arms problem for a long time

[reef prairie]

At least it does good dps in keys

[shut token]

how was it back in the day? I didn´t play arms before tww, has it been this way since vanilla?

[terse osprey]

So ive heard and been told fury is pulling ahead in dungeons and raids do yall still enjoy arms with how it is now?

[balmy kindle]

colo kinda rocks in m+. i think its in the nerf range XD

[reef prairie]

Im not sure where youre hearing this, I wouldn't say fury is really pulling ahead anywhere

In terms of performance

[terse osprey]

i just meant between the 2 specs but i hear ya

maybe im wrong idk lol

[reef prairie]

Thats what I mean as well

[dim basalt]

Fury pulls ahead on 1s aoe burst

[reef prairie]

It might be better on logs statistics because its pretty suited to pad

[terse osprey]

tho i like the new additions to arms

especially the heroic strike proc it feels nice

[reef prairie]

But I think arms is a stronger spec rn

In terms of hitting stuff that is important

[hard juniper]

I dont think it even does there

[terse osprey]

I also heard Armws got buffed recently

[dim basalt]

Depends how spread

but ye Arms is better everywhere atp

[terse osprey]

Good to know ty!

Overall i enjoy both specs but arms is special in a way to me

[inland ingot]

I second that, I manage to outperform in majority of aoe situations as arms

And fury is just 1 aoe burst without consistent and strong aoe damage

[terse osprey]

feels like a true warrior

[reef prairie]

If you like arms then play it, its totally chill rn

[mint patio]

Fury has usually had better survivability/self healing. Not sure if that had changed from the midnight rework though.

[reef prairie]

Arms is a bit squishier than fury yea

[dim basalt]

But tanky enough to live everything

[reef prairie]

Yes

[dim basalt]

And Fury doesnt have wall in aoe

[latent moss]

neither can die so far in keys

unless u stand in shit

[rare kite]

mostly a bigger problem dragonflight onwards with the bigger talent trees

[shut token]

Alright yeah that makes sense. Just feels unfair that other specs can have both but not us

[mortal crag]

random question ig

does details do anything apart from reskin the damage meters now

or is it literally just a glorified skinner that costs FPS?

[oblique atlas]

pretty much I think, just do live logs, its easier than to wonder

[thick kelp]

yes

[autumn granite]

The disconnect between the in game dps meter and logs is wild to. I have seen up to 20k difference on overalls

[nova marsh]

And people tell me the base ui is good

[umbral badger]

@fresh spire sorry to ask you directly but since you were just here, would the changes to colossus make crit more valuable in 12.0.5 or less ? at least right now haste has been the best stats for me for a while but i wonder how the more frequent demolish is affected

[past rampart]

soooo

what's food do you use ? 👀

bento > all ?

[fresh spire]

Crits worth a little more than it was, you will use crit enchants are pick up a little more crit overall, sweet spot seems around 34% before weapon proc

you go as much haste and crit as possible basically.

[mortal crag]

can astral blast in AA doragosa be reflected?

[umbral badger]

yea i started at 35% crit then gradually my char kept asking for haste until my crit went down to like 28%-30% and now it's only haste "a bit of mastery"

but more crit feels better even though it is simming less so i am hoping i'd be able to get more crit again

anyway ty for info

[rare kite]

is that the circle that gets placed around you? if so yes

idk the names of abilities xD

[dim basalt]

When the tank doesnt bring any funnel into 1st and 2nd boss caverns

[umbral badger]

wait, i don't know why did it take me this long to realize 🤣 but if plum only cyles in combat doesn't that mean it will always be at top value of 1 min cds ?

[dim basalt]

Also why does every ele sham do negative damage man

The spec is so piss easy

[umbral badger]

i only meet ele shamans doing good dmg or doing zero dmg never in between :p

[dim basalt]

Havent seen a single good one

so far

120-130k in a +16 caverns is a joke

[kind stag]

seeing ele shamans doing more damage with 2 buttons than me saving my cds and trying to do good rotations

maybe this game is actually bad???

[umbral badger]

bro trust me i had a shaman doing less than 80k 2 weeks ago

[kind stag]

ele shammy attracts 40yr old dads with missing fingers

[umbral badger]

nd then when i get my guild mate he is always maintinig like 150k+

i don't know the spec sounds easier than they make it look like

[kind stag]

no offense to 40yr old dads with missing fingers tho

[tepid citrus]

It’s a wrap if i see a ele shammy or balance said in my group

[kind stag]

dh tanks or priest healers

i know the keys bricked

bear droods too but ive heard its not their fault its just that apparently tank balance is lil bit scuffed or something

[last saddle]

i had a brewmaster die 3 times in a row on first pull of maisara it was embarrassing

[kind stag]

impressive

fotm gameplay

[jovial hare]

people not respecting the dmg that the berserkers put out and them being the first pull is a good way to tell if ur tank is an idiot or not
I actually love that pull bc it lets us know if the key is cooked on the first pull

[bleak fog]

Xan, best player in the world?

[kind stag]

maybe one of the other ones

[rose ibex]

I dunno what all the fuss is about. Maisara is chill as hell

First pull ez

[umbral badger]

yes, but dungeons are dungeons that have hardest pulls "or at least one of the hardest" on start rather than end

better than spending 25 mins then losing key

[rose ibex]

I dunno. I hate algathar

Pugging it is always a coin flip

[nova marsh]

Guys what's the shoretst delve this xpack

[nova marsh]

Because tanks fucking refuse to break up the lasher pull

[proven veldt]

probably grudge pit?

it is literally one room

[nova marsh]

I wonna say it is

But it's also imrpessively annoying since valerra keeps fucking off to kill random mobs

[proven veldt]

valeera does that in every delve

[nova marsh]

yes but it's 2x more annoying in grudge cuz of how close evreything is

[proven veldt]

if you do the collegiate one in silvermoon, and you try to run up the stairs to the main area, valeera just afks 8 years behind you at the bottom of the stairs fighting 2 trash mobs

[nova marsh]

true

shit's cringe

I heard the ping system helps but

Evreytime I do she does nothing

[jovial gorge]

I actually second collegiate delve if you want a fast delve. Can do the whole run in like 3 pulls tbh.

(as prot)

[dim basalt]

I just witnessed a route youd see in a +4 in a +16

We were at last boss caverns with less than 3 minutes left despite only 1 death and good dps

what in the fuck

[nova marsh]

MY +13 group on my rogue for caverns

literally was missing like 1%

[nova marsh]

I find the new delve pretty fast too

the plaza

[dim basalt]

ye we were missing something too lol

[flint wind]

my arms so weak cause fury gear?(

[halcyon void]

does 285 darkmoon trinkets take up embelishment slot?

[thick kelp]

y

es

[halcyon void]

thats a bummer, been unlucky with trinkets from raids

[vast drum]

Is arms still worth swapping to for m+ with fury gear or wait till I get more crit gear

[thick kelp]

yeah

[last saddle]

u prob needs more critical

[calm surge]

Having 34%crit and a aug in group really does help the dps

[olive nest]

Wait until you try a shaman

[last saddle]

my first key ever colo was with shaman and i felt like "wtf this is so broken"

then my second key ever was without shamna and I thought "who is playing this dogshit hero spec"

[nova marsh]

Ah yes

the duality of man

[loud fjord]

NAILS

[flint wind]

thanks

[analog carbon]

Question. In pure single target colossus arms build, do you ever use cleave or is slam the filler ability?

[rose ibex]

Or they dont know they have to keep moving or they get bad time debuffs

[analog carbon]

I should have worded my question better. I’m looking to know if in a mythic plus colossus arms build but fighting a single target would I use cleave at all, or just slam for filler?

[rose ibex]

If you have max colat stacks you can use cleave

I think...

Maybe if ravager is up?

[smoky kayak]

sometimes I just smash the keyboard for awhile to keep you on your toes

[smoky kayak]

https://giphy.com/gifs/XIqCQx02E1U9W

[wind hatch]

cleave > slam when target is below 35% hp or ravager is up

[rose ibex]

Archi is being tricksy

[smoky kayak]

this wasn't one of those times - go read #updates-midnight

[minor gust]

Waiting for that moment of hahaha the reverts were an accidental bug jkjk they still happening

[rose ibex]

Nothing matters til patch ships

Head in sand til then

[nova vessel]

Ok ok I re-crafted everything went from 248 crit to 754 unbuffed

26%crit 26%haste 19%mastery

[tropic tiger]

always interesting to me to see how warrior disc does this vs rogue

rogue disc each spec leader pins important updates so the pins are basically #updates-midnight per spec

[smoky kayak]

We used to do pins, but they have a lot of shortcomings

[tropic tiger]

I do like the centralization here in many ways

[thick kelp]

warrior doesnt have spec leads because only archi can deal with the infinite pings and dms

[tropic tiger]

fair and true

[smoky kayak]

• the vast majority of players don't check them
• there's no obvious alert when pins have been changed/updated/removed
• the pings window is smaller, which makes it hard to present information that isn't hyper condensed
• you lose historical information when old pins are removed

[nova vessel]

Just need crit on wep and ring,bracers and we blasting to 1k

[smoky kayak]

we used pins for several years, and my experience is that it just ends up with a whole lot of people spamming some variation of , which isn't exactly condusive to conversation

[tropic tiger]

yeah - that’s true for rogue disc, but in same way true here just pointing at the channel. I like the pin you have now

[nova marsh]

Rogue one has the advntage of bot commands to be fair

[nova vessel]

Now I’m scared to actually play arms

[smoky kayak]

as for "spec-based leads," I wouldn't be opposed to the idea, but we've never really had the need; most of us play both specs anyway

[nova marsh]

That have info for most of the pins

[tropic tiger]

I think spec based leads might just be a rogue thing, people are incredibly loyal to their specs and with 3x DPS specs probably too much for one person to manage (well, definitely too much pre midnight)

[smoky kayak]

a little less so, the update messages tend to be more robust, which leads to a little more discussion, but anecodotally anyway, we've noticed a lot more natural discussion since transitioning to a channel

the biggest thing for me personally though is just the historical reference; makes it real convenient to compare against older updates

[tropic tiger]

interesting - I think I can see that

[smoky kayak]

I also have the previous expansion/beta update channels archived, just in case I need anything in there again

I'm always open to new ideas though, if anyone wants to make a suggestion - no guarantee we'll implement it, but will at least give it some consideration

[tropic tiger]

afaik pins in Ravenholdt are removed and start fresh each xpac so they (at least appear) to have some history

No real suggestions more of an observation as a longtime rogue disc user

Except that the pin here should also be in Fury channel IMO but their pins are very different than the ones in arms haha

[civic sphinx]

is there an add on that shows you when youre targeted by a spell, or one where it tells you when youre being targeted by a reflectable spell?

[thick kelp]

targetedspells

[nova vessel]

Had to change to arms after last raid we did the nuke p2 phase on bird boy I had to pull a rabbit out of my ass to not be in last place as furry

I felt sooo bad just wanted to exit game

[umbral badger]

@smoky kayak btw bro when i see 2 target fights i see top colossus warriors with different "damage split" so for example on vaelgor and ezzorak, filtering only by boss dmg some warriors ahve cleave top dmg and some have mortal strikes top dmg. so it makes me wonder which is actually better ?

i feel like 2 target rotation is unique and different

at least for colossus that is :p

[smoky kayak]

Outside of Ravager, Cleave is only used v 2 targets as a periodic filler above Slam

same rules as Lightblinded Vanguard really

[umbral badger]

so basically at 3 stacks of collateral / filler

ok ty

i got primarily confused cuz this guy has cleave on top while some others are mortal strike "filtering only boss dmg"

[last saddle]

that guy probably an add lived for very long so he was able to funnel off it with cleave

[umbral badger]

hmm

i can see that i guess

also 35% to 20% i am cleaving , cuz we dont' have 35% execute

but 20% to 0% ?

is it execute or cleave ?

cleave seems still more efficient for rage but not sure

[smoky kayak]

just because he's playing less optimally doesn't mean he can't still have a high rank; it's actually quite common

[umbral badger]

yea that's why i am asking u xd

[smoky kayak]

there's way more that goes into ranking than pushing your buttons in the perfect order

also at least some of that will be due to pressing cleave on orbs and hitting the bosses at the same time

[umbral badger]

i always prefer to do the optimal play basically adn not get lost on the weird things ppl do

and then do my own werid shit as i go

[rose ibex]

What other specs might be as fast to play as an outlaw rogue? Trying to help my buddy find a good alt to play. I suggest fury war but he seems resistant

[rose ibex]

I got 80k dps on the 2nd boss in heroic just zerging the boss and killing adds with sweeping strikes

[smoky kayak]

To be perfectly honest though, I think the prime strategy for that boss is soon to be skipping Cleave entirely for a full 2T Execute build, just timing CS/Demolish/Bladestorm with adds

[umbral badger]

yea once 12.0.5 i am just hoping to skip cleave all together

for 2 targets

that being said we still have the issue of needing to lose some valuable talents to get hte sweeping thing

[rose ibex]

Saladbar I just treat as a pure single target fight. I notice a lot of dps still ignore the orbs and im not sure if its better to zerg him as arms and let others handle it or kill the orbs

[umbral badger]

and we are forced int oravager are we not ?

just for pathing

ike the non-cleave 2 target build is also weird

[rose ibex]

Not having cleave and cleave combo makes me feel naked as arms

[nova marsh]

Ranged issue

[rose ibex]

Like a part of you is missing

[umbral badger]

cuz the problem i have is that executioner precision forced you into ravager / bladestorm

and i literally hate both so much

[rose ibex]

I always try to kill orbs but I notice it tanks my dps to do so

[umbral badger]

but maybe we can just get bladestorm as a period of dmg and rage regen ?

is the 20% bladestorm buff applyign to colossus too

[nova marsh]

Youre going both regardless because they play into hero trees

[nova vessel]

Stupid question when do we go slayer vs col

[nova marsh]

Slayer literally dosent function without bs

[rocky plume]

How is arms in mystic plus and things?

[nova marsh]

(Im ignoring fury slayer running ava for a while)

[rose ibex]

Rogue boy. What other specs are as fast as outlaw rogue?

[nova marsh]

....

Thats hilarious first of all new name

And second of all, fury felt pretty close

[rose ibex]

You are the token rogue boy in arms chat

[umbral badger]

no no we were talkikng about colossus in 12.0.5 soon how it does not need ot go cleave in 2 targets

but not sure if it does or does not

[rose ibex]

I suggested my buddy try fury. Trying to get him to break his rogue tism

[umbral badger]

cuz you are forced int oravager / bladestorm anyway for pathing

so might as well

[nova marsh]

Depends

[rose ibex]

Cannot make him budge off rogue

[nova marsh]

If they like outlaw cuz of apm then its a good alternative

If theyre a gambling addict duhhh

[rose ibex]

I think he enjoys apm and procs

[nova marsh]

Yeah fury would be a good fit

[rose ibex]

I just dont think anything else is as fast as outlaw other than fury

[nova marsh]

Havoc?

[rose ibex]

I dunno :/

[nova marsh]

Literally only other spec i can think of

[rose ibex]

I will never know

You'll never catch me playing an elf

Filthy elves

[nova marsh]

But then again, its hard to beat outlaw when your cd litterally scales your gcd

[rose ibex]

Rock and stone

[nova marsh]

Leave my nelf rogue along

[rose ibex]

Never

[nova marsh]

Damn

I mean id say my dk

[peak saddle]

does voidstorm reputation trinket works in other areas when upgraded?

[nova marsh]

But fuck dk

[rose ibex]

I will never forgive them for spawn camping me in vanilla with shadowmeld

[nova marsh]

[rose ibex]

Stupid NE warriors

[nova marsh]

My brother its been 2 decades

[nova marsh]

Yes

[rose ibex]

Never forget

Never forgive

Mages and elves must die

[nova marsh]

Do you forgive hunters

[rose ibex]

Hunters are cool

[umbral badger]

bro i liteally had a hunter where i wold kill ppl with my pet

[rose ibex]

Pets are fun

[umbral badger]

with teh contorl pet thing

control pet

[peak saddle]

ok thanks, it seems powerful on the sims even better than bis trinket for me

[rose ibex]

Love me crocalisk ❤️

Never a more worthy pet than the vanilla model crocalisk

In all its low poly glory

[nova vessel]

I just changed a bunch of gear stat wise I’m ok now but that’s all I did today 🤣 I’m actually scared to learn arms

Was not expecting to change

But I have come to the dark side I guess

[soft gust]

Bladestorm is really bad with none of the slayer tree buffs. Even with the BS buffs in 12.0.5 its a dps loss to press it at all in ST for colossus

[umbral badger]

yea was thinking if you hit zero rage can you hit it to get rage back basically

[olive nest]

That’s why you run ravager

[nova marsh]

Dumb question

[soft gust]

I tried it like that, -0.6% dps

[nova marsh]

Did they ever fix demolish eating your AAs?

[umbral badger]

but if we are not in a cleave build but we need sweeping strieks stuff are we gonna just take ravager for no reasaon ?

[soft gust]

It just does zero damage and locks you out from casting

[umbral badger]

it does zero dmg

they need ot fix this pathing issue man

[nova marsh]

If youre not in a cleave build youre not running colo

Period

[umbral badger]

in 12.0.5 you are probably able to do that

:p

non-cleave 2 target build

[nova marsh]

Doubtful, but alsp

Its hard to tell

[umbral badger]

you get too many demolish casts in 2 targets

but yea

that's where i am confused now

[nova marsh]

For 2 target yes

[soft gust]

Collateral+cleave offers a lot of value in two target

[nova marsh]

I mean we do still use cleave during ravager

[soft gust]

which is why you take it

[nova marsh]

+collat

[soft gust]

Not in ST anymore p sure

[umbral badger]

well there is also the fact that cleave will no longer deepwounds

[latent moss]

for a pure 2t u dont run cleave im like 99% sure

[umbral badger]

so not too sure

and yea i am saying 2 targets not one

[latent moss]

i had some 2t sims floating around with best talents but i cant find them

[umbral badger]

well

i guess wehn 12.0.5 comes we will have arch doing the math for us

my adhd is not helping :d

[latent moss]

its a lot of talent points

for cleave collat

[umbral badger]

yup

[latent moss]

and ravager ig

[umbral badger]

and if you dont 'wanna cleave build you also are stuck with a ravager point cuz of pathing

pls take ravager away

we all hate it

[nova marsh]

Straight 2 targets is like

Just like half of vanguard ye

Maybe dragons?

[nova vessel]

I was looking at the spells/talents kind of looks a bit like outlaw but an actually spec

[nova marsh]

Imma be honest chief

Outlaws theme and design feels 20x more coherent then arms

[nova vessel]

In the way you click button to make this dmg more than 2 targets

[umbral badger]

does blizzard not know that we all hate ravager ?xd

i am genuinly curious

[nova vessel]

I haven’t used it nearly or even close as long as most you guys but ravanger looks dope af

I want to be a helicopter boy weow weow

[umbral badger]

we just hate it, in it's own unique desynced cd cycle

[nova marsh]

Its not even the desync

Its the fact that its part of whats made cleave ludicrous

[nova vessel]

So does it mean when I come on here and say I hate it I will officially be an Arms boy??

[umbral badger]

that too, i don't know i am just done with openers that require too many keys

so one less key is welcome

was the only annoying thing to me about TWW warrior

[reef glade]

fury to arms feels like demo to destro

go from 3-4 buttons in rotation to like 7

destro shadow burn spam feels sooooooooo good tho

[soft gust]

I still think CS should turn into demolish to save us a keybind and give guaranteed alignment. Idk how they'd handle prot's version of it tho

[molten glacier]

In Slayer opener we go rend-avatar-colosus slam, and then blade storm or 4x clave?

[nova vessel]

Yup I need to make new keybinds like 3 spells I don’t have kb for ffs

[soft gust]

that plus the proposed talent change to kill rav archi had

would kill two keybinds and remove all misalignment in the spec

[smoky kayak]

single target Bladestorm is surprisingly pretty neutral for Colossus in 12.0.5, but that's pretty academic, since you would never actually talent into it

• if you're using Cleave, Ravager is outright better
• if you're not using Cleave, Executioner's Precision is significantly better

[soft gust]

I was testing it on mimiron and even at the lowest priorities, an APL that didn't use it performed a few tenths of a percent better

on the same build

I wasn't incredibly thorough, but it seemed very unimpressive. If you talent into and don't cast ravager you lose about 0.3% dps from ST. If you talent into and do cast bladestorm, you lose about 0.3% dps.

[umbral badger]

oh that's not the argument , it is that if you want sweeping strikes taletns you wanna give up on fatality and critical thinking, no ? if so then you need ravager or bladestorm for pathing

and so what do you do ?

which ?

which makes me feel you are sitll gonna have to go cleave

purely cuz you are already half way through the cleave build by then

but yes by 12.0.5 we can sim and see i guess

[slim iron]

#updates-midnight message

Where to find the full datamines patch notes? Dont see wowhead by googling

[smoky kayak]

no you don't necessarily have to give those up

[umbral badger]

hmm

[slow saddle]

If col gets enuff st theres a chance we raid as it

Jesus u can farm a lot of demo stacks

[candid pecan]

soo hyped

weap/trinkets 298ilvl

we will own

[umbral badger]

col will always find a weird way to play ST fights if it's not far behind

like how first boss you can reset demos on the bubble adds

[slow saddle]

I cant wait

U get demolished

All get demolished

[umbral badger]

which is what we already did in TWW by sweeping unhinged to instant reset dmo on some add or some shit

to get 2 demos in one CS

[slow saddle]

That was execute

Gave stacks

[umbral badger]

dunno if we can do that in 12.0.5 though

no no even after texecute

unhigned sweeping was also an instant reset while u spam mortals

[slow saddle]

No way u got 2 of at 2sec

[umbral badger]

cuz of the 20% reset that kept triggers

[rose ibex]

Ngl destro feels way more fun than demo does this expansion and I dont know why. Back in shadowlands I loved demo

[slow saddle]

I didnt at least

[umbral badger]

what i am saying

if you had 1 add with the boss

[slow saddle]

Nah

[umbral badger]

say like one armed bandit

you sweeping

unhinged

[slow saddle]

M8 cs was 13 sec

[umbral badger]

and spam the 20% mortals resets

yes and unhinged + you spamming mortals were like too many mortals in the 13 seconds :p

you literally reseted dmo if it's 2 targets in one cs

[rose ibex]

Unhinged in pvp is so much dumb fun

[slow saddle]

Never saw it work, but might be coz bandit was nerfed so it wasnt relevant

[umbral badger]

yea basically you talking about 7 or 8 mortals in ravager duration + sweeping

[safe dagger]

is arms being nerfed in 12.0.5

[smoky kayak]

not really, na

[swift plume]

warrior buffs today guys

i feel it in my bones

[umbral badger]

just think about it like this, one more reset for warrior buffs, wohooo !