arms

[inland drift]

so i've been wasting 12 stacks of sweep for nothing?

fuck

[jade ember]

Yeah you should wait for your CS stacks to fall off before you actually hit Sweep

[stable fiber]

i typically try to prepull sweep depending on dungeon

like nexus point i use sweep with 5 seconds left on the timer when the key has already been put in

(lets me build demo stacks easier and faster while still having sweep up after you use cs)

[sharp goblet]

second boss has an increased damage taken phase, generally slayer pumps damage there (as it can quickly unload a bunch of damage and has a strong dmg amp of its own with colossus smash)

[inland drift]

ahh right right

[shut token]

Is it possible to make an arms without cleave that can do good ST and stopp decent aoe? Would color or slayer be best for that?

[stable fiber]

colo still pretty good on that fight

[sharp goblet]

yeah i love demolishing for 800k+

[stable fiber]

esp if you have boss down to 35% when you send cds

[inland drift]

welp, was still top dps even with 12 stacks :)) fml

but now with 24

oooooohooo

[stable fiber]

you can cleave for like 600k+ 4x in a row

[inland drift]

maybe thats why my slayer was aad

[sharp goblet]

if it makes you feel any better

I fail to press rend

ever

remind myself every time and just forget instantly

[stable fiber]

its not that important for slayer

but colo its a pretty big loss not pushing rend

[inland drift]

now i gotta try aoe with 24 stacks

[wide needle]

I need to do some simming to see what I should be shooting for I guess.. Overall is pretty decent for 10s (just north of 100k) but boy howdy

[nova marsh]

Yeah no like I said

Colo ST is actually just the worst in the game

[wide needle]

I am misplaying quite a bit as well. Arms is a fun spec and it is quite complicated compared to the rest that I've leveled

[nova marsh]

if your stacks fall off on bosses it's a bit of a GG

[stable fiber]

i wonder if its worth holding pot in raid for execute phase

reck pot in execute might go crazy ngl

[wide needle]

Get in a worse raid where you get two lol

[stable fiber]

80% crit chance executes and mortal strikes during cds might go crazy

[carmine iris]

do we hold colossus smash for bladestorm if its more than like 10 seconds?

[nova marsh]

No

You hold bladestorm for cs

[carmine iris]

ok but cs on cd?

[sharp goblet]

yes

[carmine iris]

word, ty kings

[nova marsh]

Same applioes

[sharp goblet]

unless its like the very end of the fight ig, then you can delay it a bit (as long as you don't lose a cast)

and u delay it for amp phases a bit as well

[carmine iris]

makes sense

[sharp goblet]

otherwise just send it

[carmine iris]

and are you guys playing colo ro slayer more in keys? i know slayer is better st but is it worth in high keys?

[nova marsh]

tbh I think it's personal pref and comp dependant

If your group has mid ST slayer is probally better

If you don't, just go colo (also if you have shammy)

[sharp goblet]

I've been doing mostly slayer recently, though still get clowned on for single target dps (even though it's legit not bad)

[nova marsh]

Slayer ST is okay

[sharp goblet]

played a lot of colo earlier, and it's fun and good

[stable fiber]

slayer st can go crazy if you gamble high

which i hate

[sharp goblet]

until your tank moves mobs from demolish

and then im just sad

[stable fiber]

i deadass do more st on some bosses in keys then i do in raid

lmfao!?!?!?1

[jade ember]

Its tru Demolishing things is fun, and we're gonna be able to do that more often soon

[nova marsh]

Yeah that's the downside

[jade ember]

At the cost of Cleave wounds

[nova marsh]

Slayer ST unironically feels more RNG then fucking outlaw

[sharp goblet]

of in 12.0.5 I'm super high on Colo copium

[nova marsh]

Which should be a literal warcrime

[sharp goblet]

that it's gonna do ST with the cdr

[stable fiber]

this is worse then bm last tier

and bm last tier was stupid

[sharp goblet]

i hate how sometimes I get 1 bladestorm in 3 colossus smash and sometimes I get 3 BS in 3 CS

but then again I like when the second scenario happens so 🎰

[nova marsh]

Ya know something I also find funny

didn't blizz want to reduce rng overall? Don't we literally have a new proc system that's suppose to standardize them a bit more?

Meanwhile if anything I feel like warr get an RNG increase

actually no

Now that I think about, it's worse. It's arguably just barely better then Jugg rng

[stable fiber]

jugg had more consistency and wasnt as impactful to dps

lmao

[nova marsh]

Was it?

Wait

No way you just said that

Bro cmon

[stable fiber]

yes i did

[nova marsh]

na sorry

[stable fiber]

i could still 99 in s2 of tww with bad jugg procs

i cannot right now with bad sd procs

[nova marsh]

...fair point

[stable fiber]

or slayer strikes

also on a boss like fallen king

its even more impactful

you dont have bladestorm for that intermission

you might as well just not exist on the meters

[jade ember]

its a mixed bag being the dynamic cd dps class whatcha gonna do

[nova marsh]

I just don't get why slayer has to have RNG

I mean colo does too

But colo is signifcantly more consistant

[stable fiber]

yup

[nova marsh]

Like I feel like

we traded jugg rng for sd rng

[stable fiber]

bs cd can range from 25 seconds to 1:15 seconds

cool

[nova marsh]

I'mma be so fr rn

I'd rather just have BS back on AM

And have slayer have literally anything else on the CDR node

[stable fiber]

its either make slayer strikes/sd proc more

or remove cdr from sd and add it to am

[nova marsh]

Personally at this point

[stable fiber]

more sd procs fixes rage issues and kinda fixes bs cd

[nova marsh]

I'd rather it just go back to AM

See I do agree

But I'd rather the spec in general get the rage fixes

So colo isn't completely screwed without a shaman

[sharp goblet]

very random question I've been wondering about - could we use this to giga inflate overall in m+? 👀 it's the item rextroy used for boss oneshots, slam it with a huge crit and do 100% key parses

[stable fiber]

dont think you can use those in keys

not in dungeons/raids afaik

[sharp goblet]

makes sense

[nova marsh]

Even if you could

I don't thionk that's worth it

[sharp goblet]

I didn't mean it for value, just a fun thing to do with logs to troll friends

[inland drift]

on slayer m+ , dop i take improved sweep or momentum

[nova marsh]

Aside from them being invalidated

it would be funny

[nova marsh]

I'm pretty sure we just always take momentum

You already should have 100% uptime or close to it on SS between Broad strokes and SS itself

[inland drift]

coll smash gives us 6 sweeps right

[nova marsh]

no

12

[sharp goblet]

I'm pretty sure you spec neither? u go mass execution and battlelord instead

depends on dungeon

[nova marsh]

?

Oh crap wrong build

[sharp goblet]

most slayers don't spec powerful momentum afaik?

hahaha

happens

[nova marsh]

oh fr? That's

Odd but okay I just noticed it LOL

[inland drift]

really? ngl i went for crit's slayer build,

yeah i have mass active

[sharp goblet]

it's dungeon dependent I think, and both are fine

[sharp goblet]

maybe you grab all 3 and skip deep wounds idk

[nova marsh]

I mean

next patch I think slayer will do that

[sharp goblet]

but it's 2 of the 3 [Battlelord, Momentum, Mass Exec] I think?

ah no u always run wounds my b

[nova marsh]

ye rn we always run wounds

[inland drift]

welp, by the time the stacks of sweeps ends, next one is available

[nova marsh]

21st it's probally droppable for more aoe

[inland drift]

wish we had a lil bit more st

[nova marsh]

But for rn I don't think you drop wounds

[sharp goblet]

I was looking at colo on accident yea

[nova marsh]

Colo dosen't need wounds cuz wounds is on demo

[lament forge]

If im brand new to arms, would u suggest slayer or colossus?

[stable fiber]

slayer easier and better st

[nova marsh]

Slayer probally

[stable fiber]

colo harder and more aoe

[sharp goblet]

slayer is easier, and more fun for most people

[nova marsh]

Also slayer can't get trolled as hard by tanks and routes

[lament forge]

bet ty ill try it out

[inland drift]

slayer, but do take a lok at coll from time to time

i love the dmg of it

[granite swift]

i have a harder time with slayer than colo weirdly

[inland drift]

same

[granite swift]

need to play more

[inland drift]

need more crit

[nova marsh]

Shaman's don't exist 😭

Cmon man I just wonna play colo with rage

[quiet bramble]

https://giphy.com/gifs/no-bugs-bunny-fXnRObM8Q0RkOmR5nf

[nova marsh]

Whyyy

[quiet bramble]

need more buffs

[nova marsh]

Blizz give me shaman tank

I mean yes

Give me buffs too

Shaman is techincally a buff

[quiet bramble]

i guess we should get ourselves a slave

[nova marsh]

Friend is too bad at wow to play keys at a +12

GG no shaman friend

They also aren't playing shaman

[grim anchor]

do we press rend now ?

is it in the rotation

[nova marsh]

...It always has been?

[rigid sun]

how often do you guys use MS during execute phase in raid?

[grim anchor]

wouldnt it get auto applied in cleave ?

came back from a break lol

[nova marsh]

No?

[smoky kayak]

that's deep wounds

[grim anchor]

nvm meant thunder clap

my bad

[quiet bramble]

arms doesnt use tc

[grim anchor]

used to back in TWW

[smoky kayak]

this is a whole new expansion, with a whole new expansion's worth of changes

[umbral badger]

When will the final patch notes come put for 12.0.5

[quiet bramble]

dood, we dont live in the past

[grim anchor]

gonna get the new rotation then, ty

[smoky kayak]

I recommend you either go read up on some of the changes or just go in game and refamiliarize yourself with how things work now

[rigid sun]

I read up execute prio in rotation guide, it says use MS with 2 stacks of precision. So the stacks from overpower doesn't come into account when using MS here?

[umbral badger]

Tbf qe still play wow, for 20 years now 😂

[quiet bramble]

[nova marsh]

I don't even think we;'re running prowess

Oh nevermind for raid

But no

Treat it like it's always been: Nice side of damage (I mean prowess is also tuned impressively low)

[umbral badger]

I mean i remember you naturally will use all your ops anyway

Cuz rage stufd

[quiet bramble]

fking hate prowess

[nova marsh]

why

[quiet bramble]

my aaah just wanna send MS right when it's up

[rare kite]

but you do? we don't play around prowess

[nova marsh]

You do

you always have

did we ever play around prowess in WW?

[quiet bramble]

imma go re read ST rotation

[rare kite]

unless you mean executioners precision in execute phase, which is differnet

different

[stone torrent]

new here. is fury really that much better than arms?>

[wind hatch]

no

[quiet bramble]

oh yea, it doesnt say aything about you have to stack prowess up

[umbral badger]

I still don't even know if you so morral without 2 executes on execute phase during CS or not i always hate if i can't extend my CS 😅

BUUUUUT my colossus is gonna be goood again so F slayer

[quiet bramble]

da hell u mean f slayer

[rigid sun]

I can't play colossus on ST fights

[nova marsh]

TBH

even with the extra cdr

I doubt colo is playable

for st

[umbral badger]

I mean if colossus sims clpse tp slayer on ST, colossus will beat slayer on many bosses even without taking adds into account

[nova marsh]

NA

it just flat out beats slayer full stop

[umbral badger]

For example, first boss you get free demo resets by sweeping the adds

[nova marsh]

We have like 2 non-pad fights in the whole tier

[umbral badger]

The adds don't take dmg

But they reset ur thing

I guess any situation where sweeping is relevant for short durations 😂

[umbral badger]

Yea i am talking more about even if not padding getting a few extra colossus might stacks with sweeping might make up the difference in boss dmg

[wind hatch]

since sd has reap again i dont think its super close

[umbral badger]

Was the case in TWW too tbf but we also had unhinged then

[umbral badger]

Dunno i remember one of the ogs here saying it is like 94 vs 97 or something

[vague mortar]

Hey guys I just switched to Colossus Arms for M+ and I'm getting familiar to the rotation but a bit confused at how I should handle Heroic Strike

[umbral badger]

Use cleave to get it out :p

Ferver will consume the proc and do a 50% stronger HC for you

[vague mortar]

Ohhhhh, nice, so don't even need to use it on AOE just on bosses (M+)

Thank you !

[umbral badger]

You're welcome!

[rigid sun]

tried colossus on dragons boss?

[random ridge]

If i got myth weap what should i craft as embellish guys ?

[nova marsh]

Wrists and cloak w/ arcanoweave

[jade grove]

Do we just go Colossus on any M+ or is Slayer better in in dungeons where we need more single target damage?

[nova marsh]

realistically it's comp dependant

I don't feel like we have any really small pull dunegons besides maybe skyreach

[slow saddle]

Its more.if u can pull into boss imho

[jade grove]

In what way? If the comp has a lot of st we go colossus, if not slayer?

[slow saddle]

🤣

[nova marsh]

Kinda yeah

[jade grove]

ight

[smoky kayak]

I think it's more about the boss makeup than the rest of the dungeon

some bosses just don't have and can't pull extra mobs in

[nova marsh]

True

Like last boss of SR

[slow saddle]

This

Aa

Nexus? Mby?

[umbral badger]

i always sy this, if you are in a raid and you have high chances to get the bracers from teh first few bosses "there are 2 bracers early in the raid tier" then you can start by crafting the gloves. because our BIS gloves are m+ so you either get it in vault or you don't. that being said we will get plenty of crafts going forward so you can do it anytime.

but i personally won't bet my life on 1 single specific myth gloves in vault forever while i am stuck with hero gloves 🤣

[sacred zodiac]

most sims i ran with hc voidclaw ended up saying to craft any other slot other than tier slots

can feelycrafty predict that two non tier pieces should sim better but just sim yourself

[smoky kayak]

don't craft gloves - if you don't wanna make bracer first, go cloak

[umbral badger]

nah the bracers i have prio on them from raid so not in rush for now basically

[smoky kayak]

ok then craft cloak

[umbral badger]

and hte cloak i will do it on reset

[slow saddle]

Yes so then after that neck

[umbral badger]

i could have started with cloak and let gloves on reset for a chance of gloves in vault ofc

so there is that

[slow saddle]

Why ever gloves?

[umbral badger]

but i had trauma of waiting the "myth track item" to appear f oreveer xd

cuz raid doeds not drop gloves

does not *

[rigid sun]

gloves is not tier prio

[smoky kayak]

I mean you can do w/e you want, but you're gonna replace em eventually, which is going to waste crests and sparks overall

[slow saddle]

Yup

[rigid sun]

I have tier gloves from raid and still champions chest 😩

[sacred zodiac]

technically correct in some unhinged scenarios maybe like 3 players will experience

[smoky kayak]

there's never any guarantee of what you're gonna get, but there's also nothing saying you won't get a tier glove from vault and use it just because

[umbral badger]

yea but i see it as a big gamble hoping for BiS gloves forever in vault, i had bad experince with that in TWW :p

for that reason i just go wtih the idea of getting as much power as possible so we can kill stuff in raid

[smoky kayak]

yes, glove is offpiece, but that's partially because there are cantrip gloves; it doesn't mean you're not gonna use tier gloves if you get them

[slow saddle]

This

[rigid sun]

I got haste/crit belt in my vault first week.

the other things weren't worthy to take

[smoky kayak]

one of the advantages to crafting bracer is also that it gives you a place to put any early socket you get

e.g. if you have a shitty week 2 vault, you can safely put that socket in the crafted gear slot you're not going to replace

[slow saddle]

Aka bracers

[smoky kayak]

as opposed to not wanting to put it into a heroic hat or something

[umbral badger]

yea to be fair i wouldn't even think it's always the case that raids don't have many plate users.

[smoky kayak]

my raids have 3 plate users on average lol
melee sucks this tier

[umbral badger]

so i always want to minmax our drops in guild for greater % dmg gain

[smoky kayak]

seems like you're making a lot of justifications to do what you wanna do anyway

[umbral badger]

nah

[smoky kayak]

and as I said, if you wanna craft gloves, you do you boo

but there are reasons it's not the typical recommendation

[umbral badger]

in fact i also did that in TWW s3 , insteada of me needing on stuff others might need i just took the chest on First boss :p

s3

[sacred zodiac]

how gracious to click bis on a bis item

[umbral badger]

nah was not but was workable

[sacred zodiac]

does your guild do roll based loot or is your loot council incompetent

its not your job to decide what to click need on

[balmy kindle]

what point do you guys give up for stance mastery ? crushing force ?

[umbral badger]

how is it hard ot understand that if you don't use those items there will be many ppl who will be waiting in line for the last bosses items ? :p

[sacred zodiac]

i think i understand how to gear a guild better than you do

[umbral badger]

first bosses items you will be drawning in them

it's literally how it works

i did not assume you are better or worse and i don't think anyone should be bringing a conversation to "i am better than you"

i just made a simple point, i would rather to make use of the items that we might end up literally disenchanting other wise

[sacred zodiac]

sure, thats fair enough, but you're also justifying something that has been objectively decided through sims to not be optimal

[umbral badger]

i am not

i am saying i would rather use the bracers than disencahnt it

on first few bosses

that's really not complicated point

[slow saddle]

It is

Wasting 80 crest on hands

Seems a really bad choice

[umbral badger]

by the same logic you could just end up getitng the neckalce that you suggested we craft in the vault

and not hte gloves

[slow saddle]

But that costs less

[umbral badger]

so why sit on a hero gloves forever ?

[slow saddle]

Because cantrip hero gloves

Is not far off crafted gloves.?

[sacred zodiac]

cantrip gloves that punch above their weight calss at hc ilvl ye

[rigid sun]

how would you go about playing colossus on the Alleria fight?

it seems that you can get quite a few resets with the adds

[slow saddle]

Vs a crafted item

[sacred zodiac]

press n and then click fury and then equip a second weapon

[umbral badger]

does not work very well tbh

[sacred zodiac]

or is this hc padding advice

[spark solstice]

Is it normal when you go from fury to arms that arms just feels MEH

i am rage starved the whole time and its so slow

i know its the "tactical" spec, but damn

[rigid sun]

hc padding, but you are in the wrong chat my friend

fury chat is two rows down the hallway

[sacred zodiac]

i dont need to be in the fury chat to tell you not to throw your mythic progress but if you wanna pad hc then go for it

[spark solstice]

ok good to know, but im playing arms atm and this is the arms chat, is it not?

[sacred zodiac]

what content are you doing

[spark solstice]

Raid

first normal raid as arms

[sacred zodiac]

both dps specs warriors have will just be ass in raid

[sand totem]

Its def slower then fury. But with some crit the rage issues largely get resolved, except in execute phase

[sacred zodiac]

the only fight either spec shines in is paladins

[slow saddle]

What

[umbral badger]

i mean you can go for arms slayer on her, it worked for some ppl, but it is annoying on the second phase when the add and boss swaps start happening. if CSed little before swap you get cucked wathing the CS boss far away

[sacred zodiac]

its not even like you get any benefit from the clunkiness both specs face (except for paladins you blast)

[umbral badger]

but some ppl did make arms slayer work on her

so you can go for it

[nova marsh]

With seasoned at 10% I HIGHLY doubt crit alone will solve our rage

[spark solstice]

just thought id try arms out so i could play both specs and change it up a bit

[nova marsh]

Not that it dosen't help a lot

[umbral badger]

it's all good bro just go for slayer and don't use CS 4 seconds before boss swap in phase 2

so thta you don't lose it

[sand totem]

I mean i dont find myself rage starved till exe phase, largely i think cause of SD procs

[slow saddle]

Which is less crit related

[umbral badger]

as you can see even on hc slayer arms warrior is able to compete, as long as you stay away from colossus, you are good to go.

good luck!

[spark solstice]

Yeah im playing slayer atm 🙂 Thanks!

[sand totem]

No but both of them are true. Crit largely increases our rage gen, and SD helps us keep our rage

[umbral badger]

🙂 always welcome to ask about stuff !

[spark solstice]

Will do when i need it. Appreciate it! I think if i get over the slower feeling, arms can be very fun

[balmy kindle]

anyone knows the current charge for cata ?

[rigid sun]

good example

just regular ST build?

[umbral badger]

did not check but i assume so, when i did a HC reclear it turned out better parses for me as slayer arms to just be ST and forget about adds on most hc bosses as adds die in a split second

so yea pure ST on crown

[west estuary]

Serious question, what am I missing about Arms, that all of these top players are playing Arms right now? Fury sims higher on single target and AOE for me. Is it a survivability thing?

[cedar meadow]

Guys on m+ opener do i send demolish at start or after the cleaves i get from warbreaker?

[umbral badger]

i don't think arms completely took over thane fury but generally sweeping strikes does make a good case in most raid bosses

[rigid sun]

I am playing this atm on most bosses but sometimes take powerful momentum and drop a stack in bloodborne

[umbral badger]

yea

[spark solstice]

2 i think

[balmy kindle]

i see, do we get another one this tuesday ?

[proper moth]

It’s the dmg profile of the raid

Plus the arms buffs

[wind hatch]

yes

[nova marsh]

Question to anyone who uses arc

Why the actual hell is it doing this

In edit mode it looks normal

instant I leave it it does whatever that is

[rough jay]

is dynamic layout toggled ?

[balmy kindle]

thanks thought i was going crazy

[nova marsh]

where's that at?

[rough jay]

that page

its at the bottom of grid settings

[nova marsh]

It was

Thank you

[rough jay]

o7

[brisk relic]

Is colosus that much better than slayer for m+? saw both biz and critcake running colosus mainly, dunno if its ahead or if its just playstyle pref

[muted drift]

Biz posted an arms guide on YT and goes through telling what spec he plays on specific dungeons. Mainly a comp thing but if dungeons have hard trash he goes Colo

[brisk relic]

yeah, was just wondering since Im with bm hunter and feral and both struggle with st I feel like

so slayer might be better there

[muted drift]

Slayer still does pretty good aoe as it is.

[brisk relic]

yeah yeah

[muted drift]

Just doesn’t burst as high

I’m not pumping high keys atm but I’ve been doing 14+ 140k overall as slayer and out dpsing hunters, mages and unholy dks.

Colo probably would do more with the bigger pulls but the bosses would take a fair while

[rose matrix]

Colossus is basically only worth it in a premade in higher keys

In certain dungeons

Cause it is pretty easy to get trolled in Colossus in pugs as well

[glacial flame]

Does Arms, especially Colossus M+ spec, feels super strange to play right now? I main Prot and sometimes step into the DPS specs and played fury in MN untill now. Slayer Raid spec feels fine and it flows but the Colossus specs is overwhelming and for the first time I find a warrior spec is button bloated. Whats the general opinion right now?

[rose matrix]

To me Arms feels pretty bad to play in comparison to Fury, especially Colossus. Slayer isn't near as bad imo

[tropic tiger]

i need to log review because some 5-8t pulls slarms hits 3-400k and others it's 200k

whereas colo seems to consistently just slam (ofc no st)

[nova marsh]

Na that's

kinda slayer lowkey

Log review anyways but slayer is more RNG then colo

[glacial flame]

Colossus feels like unrewarding rocket science

[nova marsh]

I like colo and the build up...the problem is tank trollable and no rage

[rose matrix]

The ST feeling so terrible is enough for me to not play it unless it is way better

Which might be the case with the buff to the cdr on demolish

[nova marsh]

I mean consider

More demos = better st

And the buffs are significant enough to ensure evrey demo should align with cs in ST

[rose ibex]

finally got this stupid thing

even tho its champ im still super happy

[nova marsh]

I should do first two bosses on heroic for warr

[reef glade]

w

[rose ibex]

it dropped twice when i did it

and as tradition, i rolled an 85 into a 90

[nova marsh]

Did you win both?

[rose ibex]

nah

[nova marsh]

RIP

[rose ibex]

failed both hero rolls

but did raid again and got this champ version

[nova marsh]

I would actually cry

I got into a norm group

So time to try

[proper moth]

Does the rage gen issue self correct with higher gear scores?

[balmy sundial]

sorry to be a nuisance ... i tried different trinkets now, different flasks. How are my abilities hitting for 15k, 10k, 6k less then last week with lower item level? What is wrong with my warrior?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WvXJBLV7zamMP4cA?fight=last&source=14&type=damage-done (this week kill) -- multiple pulls with different crit chances on MS, still a massive difference in damage done

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CgPYwXcWFDqT1Vp8?fight=29&type=damage-done&source=9 (last week kill)

if someone can find what is wrong, ill buy you an ice cream ❤️

[nova marsh]

A lil

[balmy sundial]

a lot of rng, didn't feel a difference from week 1 to now

[proper moth]

Rip

[slow saddle]

Rage sucks

[proper moth]

I want to dust the Warrior off soooo bad

[slow saddle]

End of story

[proper moth]

But then it’s shit like this that’s so off putting

[balmy sundial]

i don't mind chilling for a bit, current gcd is way too much zoomer oriented

[proper moth]

Yeah, Devourer is nice like that

It’s also only 4 buttons😂

[slow saddle]

U cant have proc based spec and rage management

Rage on arms is 2 unpredictable

[proper moth]

Rage should just be reworked as an empower mechanic

[slow saddle]

Nah

Just make a descision designwise

Management or a million procs

[proper moth]

🤔

[slow saddle]

I love hs, but it causes more spikes

[fathom hinge]

Guys, just to get your feeling about it but Apex talent for arms are shit right ? are they even worth picking ? like 4 points on the tree isnt more efficient ?

[slow saddle]

Oooold news

Apex good

[dim basalt]

Very old news

[nova marsh]

apex makes cs YUGE

[fathom hinge]

why good ? i dont feel it does a lot of damage and doesnt really suit the rotation or i m miss understanding it

[slow saddle]

Its epic

[nova marsh]

The only problem apex has

Is making exe kinda messy

[slow saddle]

I mean its a crime

[proper moth]

I thought we still don’t use execute

[slow saddle]

Ms doesnt send hs sub 35%

[nova marsh]

For Colo no

For slayer yues

[proper moth]

Gotcha

[nova marsh]

Well

colo uses it too

[slow saddle]

For colo its used

[nova marsh]

As a replacement for slam

[slow saddle]

If colo had more rage

Id wish

[vapid spire]

We getting st buffs in S2 at this point

[slow saddle]

S2????

[nova marsh]

I mean that one was obvious

[slow saddle]

#doubt

[proper moth]

I hope we get a rework but I doubt it

[fathom hinge]

and you play slayer or Colo ? i m more into slayer

[dim basalt]

We get ST buffs in .5

But ni rage buffs

[slow saddle]

True crime

[proper moth]

Meanwhile devourer getting ability and talent reworks in .5 patch😂

[sour tinsel]

i lowk dont know when to swap to colo for content ive been doing everything in slayer

[slow saddle]

Never

Until paladins

[nova marsh]

Nothing wrong with that

Fuck paladins

[dim basalt]

Slayer is playable everywhere

In M+ you dont wanna touch colo without a good premade grp

[sour tinsel]

yeah too many times ive had mobs dragged out

[proper moth]

Interesting

[nova marsh]

Use leap

🤷‍♂️

[dim basalt]

Not even just that

Colo wants funnel also

[sour tinsel]

can you leap while demolishing

?????

[dim basalt]

You don't see that until very high keys

[nova marsh]

yes

[sour tinsel]

interesting

[dim basalt]

And there are plenty of keys that are better for Slayer too

[modest marlin]

Weekly could've been better I guess lol.

[slow saddle]

Collosus fucks like, but to actually get a lot out of it

Shaman

Monl

Good pulls

[sour tinsel]

atp just play slayer

[fathom hinge]

Someone can link their M+ slayer build ?

[sour tinsel]

CcEAjLzRlq54bI5v+r8Sr9Xw4jZmZmFzMzYGAAAghphxwMbLzMzMDzYmBAAAAwYxMgYGLLDsAGwMMhMD2AmhZWGMbzsNAzMAYmhB

[nova marsh]

mainly shammy

[fathom hinge]

thx

[slow saddle]

Also the brew tank

Coz it lives🤣

[nova marsh]

Does it thou

I stg

So many pugs cannot play brew to save their damn lives

[slow saddle]

Facys

But theeen

U get a gold one and just vibe

The amount pf brews that let mobs hit em in the back

Almost veng meta levela dumb

[bleak arrow]

So many pugs cannot play [tank] to save their dam lives... fify, ive seen every single tank walk in and get one tapped pulling

they should make all tanks have 80% passive damage reduction at all times to encourage pugs to play them

[slow saddle]

I tanked a 12 with no cluego as warrior

[bleak arrow]

warrior goat brain off tank

[slow saddle]

Ill have u know, some trashpacks hit haeder

Than i thought

Some hit less🤣

[nova marsh]

Man

I wish I had that gif of the veng dh leaping into a pack without demon spikes

and insta dying

[dim basalt]

@minor gust col arms or thane fury for vaelgor adds bombing

Saw that you have a high parse on it

So maybe youre thinking Fury is better

[last saddle]

@tacit crystal is there a myth pug type shit this weekend

[minor gust]

If your dks are gripping adds to you have some fun with Colo. If not just play thane and clap away.

[dim basalt]

so colo it is

We will play it with 2 bdks

[tacit crystal]

no they decided to do it on tuesday wehn normal people raid

m+ player moment

@wintry pagoda

i hope that answers the dm

[minor gust]

That's what we did and the dks were using gorefiends on me so I got to just press CS demo and cleave on em. Sometimes just demo depending how much my orb pad was being stolen

[dim basalt]

Only me and enh are allowed to dps orbs

[tacit crystal]

lol

[dim basalt]

So I might get all cleaves through

[minor gust]

Holy

[tacit crystal]

actual padders

[minor gust]

You are gonna fuck those orbs then

[tacit crystal]

critcake level pad

[minor gust]

Yeah if you can get all your cleaves after demo on orbs you should be able to solo them and get R1 easy lmao

[dim basalt]

Our actual raidlead is on vacation and our co-raidlead is a former HOF raider and he hates when people dont do what theyre supposed to haha

[minor gust]

Tell em my boss dmg will be decent while also being able to solo orbs

And get that fat R1

[nova marsh]

Alright

Heroic vora better drop it

[dim basalt]

We better kill the boss on our first night

[minor gust]

🙏

Dragons ain't that hard so if you got a full night of prog for it you surely kill

[dim basalt]

ye full night fortunately

But our skill varies highly from night to night

[minor gust]

I believe y'all kill

[astral yarrow]

consistently incosistent

[nova marsh]

...bro

I just had a heroic group wipe to enrage on vora

[latent moss]

brutal

[nova marsh]

5% lmao

Kill me

[fathom hinge]

i see that we can cast heroic strike while doing other spell to cancel the GCD, you guys have macro for that or full manual ? ^^

[random ridge]

as slayer raid spec do we hold bs for cs to get more cs uptime with unhinged or do we just send on cd

[halcyon valve]

Oof

[random ridge]

with the set i mean

[verbal thorn]

How important is the crit for Arms? I've been going hard on fury, pretty itemized into haste/mastery. Will I have a absolutely bad time if I want to try out arms? Don't really have other gear to swap around.

270 Ilvl
13 percent crit
27 percent haste
42 percent mastery

[quaint otter]

important yes

[nova marsh]

Unironically

never lucky

[quaint otter]

absolutely bad time no

just try it

[nova marsh]

GG go next

[quaint otter]

I failed 5 rolls today

At least got boe

[nova marsh]

No drops for me

Well

besides free glove upgrade

[quaint otter]

1st boss dropped all plate gear tho

[nova marsh]

I sniped the shoulders off this pug for mog

[fleet goblet]

hi, question

whats the main diff with fury right now?
wich its easier to pick up after 2 expact not palying warriror?

[nova marsh]

fury is probally easier to play

[undone aurora]

how different is arms rn from like arms s2 tww? I played arms s2 tww don't remember all that much but arms rn just feels rlly weird to play

it feels like i'm doing it terribly wrong

I also really hate pressing rend it feels super forgettable and unsatisfying

I think my issue might lie in the fact i'm fury braining a bit though

i'm not lining up cds I think

maybe

[umbral badger]

as much as i hate it, slayer fury felt so easy to me, thane fury felt hard 'i've always been a hater of everything glowing and ready and yet you have to choose a spell to push based on priority"

so for that reason i found slayer arms easier than thane fury :p

also many of the top arms rarely ever rend as slayer arms anyway

ofc this kind of thing is objective, but at least i believe that most ppl will find slayer fury the easiest to play by far lol

[astral yarrow]

pressing rend in single target over raging blow is not that intuitive

[wary plank]

Can you spell reflect the last boss in seat?

[nova marsh]

The beams?

[left shard]

can someone tell me why im missing a catalyst charge?

arent we supposed to have 3 +1 from 2k rating?

i only have 2 on my twink + 1 from 2k rating

[nova marsh]

first of all twink?

[fervent cedar]

twink = low level character with xp gain turned off

[left shard]

dont you call that twink anymore?

basically me second char

[nova marsh]

alt

we call it alt

[left shard]

man im old

....

im only 26 though

"only"

[nova marsh]

I was like

"How tf does a twink have 2k raiting in keys?

[left shard]

yeah so anyway does anyone know why?

[nova marsh]

WEirdness aside

Check your bags

The one from 2k for me was a physical item

[left shard]

yes i got that

but im missing charges

arent we supposed to have 3 ? and the other 1 from m+?

or am i missing something

[nova marsh]

yes

[left shard]

then i dont know why i only have 2

schould i write a ticket?

[nova marsh]

Last time this happened they used one

But maybe?

[left shard]

allright ill give it a try

[thick hamlet]

how many sparks are we supposed to be on right now

[hollow bone]

2 + 1 from achiev, 1st charge was 17th of march

[shut token]

what is the latest news on the reap the storm change? Will it change or stay the same?

[thick hamlet]

so 3 total, do we know when's the next one?

[hollow bone]

every 2 weeks so next reset

[nova marsh]

Currently looks like all we're loosing is MS reap

After yesterday's hotfix

However....we don't know if it's a bug cuz there never any offical notes

Or if bliz will revert

[shut token]

Alright, becaise first i heard that they were gonna remove it from ms and then that the change was reverted

then saw this: https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-12-0-5-ptr-development-notes-for-march-31st-weapon-sheathing-transmog-and-381068

[nova marsh]

YEAH

and that's how it was till yesterday

[shut token]

what happened yesterday?

[nova marsh]

It now triggers on sd without the condition of sweep

#updates-midnight

[shut token]

oh thats interesting

[robust oak]

Can i make a macro that toggles stances?

[nova marsh]

Should be in puns

pins

Oh

They wiped it nevermind

[robust oak]

if u have it can u copy and paste it for me

[nova marsh]

Not at pc

[robust oak]

I checked wowhead and didnt see it

oh its in this discrod. found it

[nova marsh]

Yeah it used to be in pins for each channel

[carmine dawn]

It’s in the faqs under macros and was

[robust oak]

the 10% reduced damage seems kinda hefty. is defensive stance a big deal in arms survivability?

[wintry pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/get-the-fuck-out-of-my-sight-before-i-demolish-you-terence-fletcher-whiplash-terence-fletcher-whiplash-get-out-gif-5025915808721481300

[wind hatch]

in pve it can be situationally useful but you never really want to use it unless you have to or you have downtime

it's extremely good in pvp though

[robust oak]

alright so in pve we just rely on die by the dingus and spell block. Is arms squishy compared to others? its no DK or Pally i understand but a 1.8 min defensive cd isnt too good.

[potent drum]

Hey guys, what's the target count to start the AOE rotation? 3?

[robust oak]

It would be rad if its cd could be reduced by anger management

[wind hatch]

arms has pretty decent survivability with just impending victory and spell reflect alone

[wind hatch]

yes 3

[robust oak]

Understood ty

[civic sphinx]

is there a add-on like the old WA that tells you when youre being targeted by a spell

[jovial hare]

and def stance

just pop in for a mech

then pop out

[robust oak]

not a good thing to use in pve considering the damage loss

[jovial hare]

its not really something you sit in

[jovial hare]

dead dps do 0 damage

[main wing]

Insanely good in pve, will save your key

[jovial hare]

^

less unga, more live

[spring vale]

like if you're soaking the volleyball in last boss of MT, you just go defensive stance, soak and then back to dps stance

[robust oak]

and how many times would u say the average arms player uses that stance in a key

[swift flame]

If you are doing cutting edge content you are swapping to dstance when you are taking big damage

[jovial hare]

i use it at least 2-4 times every key

at least

[robust oak]

7-10 range of keys

[swift flame]

Its not that much of a loss to be in dstance for 2-3 globals

[robust oak]

alright

[mystic summit]

unholy fotm players are something special

[reef glade]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p4DLtGqj91WQfA7J?fight=30&type=damage-done

[jovial hare]

its definitely not their dmg thats special

[reef glade]

arms good on crown???

(do not look at p2)

[jovial hare]

a 100 in a sea of greys is cray

[reef glade]

only 1 arms has killed the boss i think lol

part of why it says that

[jovial hare]

oh wait lmfao

yeah i guess it would be a high parse

[reef glade]

im not uh... bottom on the boss

for p2

so thats good

[jovial hare]

[reef glade]

def smurfed p1 randomly

think some good crits

like a 1.2 and 1.5mil mortal strike crit or something lol

[mystic summit]

beat an unholy by 40k on overall and he said its only bc of 3t cleave second boss in seat

[reef glade]

truth nuke

[jovial hare]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[mystic summit]

+12 seat i beat an unholy dk by 40k on overall

[quiet merlin]

'Trust me bro, this just my alt, I'd smoke you on my main'

[mystic summit]

at the end of the dungeon he had 3 interrupts so i said find your mind freeze keybind

[vapid spire]

I just saw that, and most of the other characters in here have 1.7M hp, Velen is an absolute chad

[mystic summit]

and quit trolling a +12 with 80k overall

[jovial hare]

whys he doing +6 overall numbers

wat

actually criminal

[mystic summit]

then he said my overall was better bc the second boss is 3 target cleave

[jovial hare]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-l-ratio-dr-veritas-ratio-skill-issue-gif-18321071649341560978

[pastel stirrup]

where the hell did the discord see the PTR changes in wowhead

[proper moth]

Archi is all seeing
His gooning allows him celestial clarity

[unkempt plaza]

this spec is bloated asf

hate to break it to you

rend being a button in the big 26 is criminal

so is SS

[proper moth]

I’ve already crashed out about this

[unkempt plaza]

your opinion is valid

[mystic summit]

wouldnt mind ms or cleave refreshing rend

ik ms does in execute but

[proper moth]

Rend is such a stupid button

[unkempt plaza]

I'm so glad I got double myth track weapons

I will enjoy the fury life

[mystic summit]

gross

[unkempt plaza]

fuck that button bloat

[proper moth]

Fury still uses rend no?

[unkempt plaza]

no bro haha

fury just claps

that applies rend

[mystic summit]

slayer fury in the same position as arms with rend

[steep tree]

wish deep wounds would restrore more

health

[unkempt plaza]

I wish this spec wouldnt have my entire action bar glowing

[steep tree]

it could be the self healing the class needs instead it kinda just ticles the healthbar

i like it when it glows

[unkempt plaza]

It's giga distracting to me even when I know the right order

[proper moth]

Yeah, I’ll just stick to my 2 brain cell devourer and top meters

[proper moth]

We just need MoP second wind back

Raise it to 40% hp

[unkempt plaza]

last time I played arms was in shadowlands

what the fuck happened

I was spamming overpower, mortal strike and occasionaly sudden death execute

and press my swifty macro that just pops every cd

now I gotta track rend and shit like nah

fuck that

I have two brain cells

[nova marsh]

I honestly feel like evreyone has different opnions on what bloat is

I'm fine with SS

Rend a bit less so

[mortal rivet]

slarms or colo for M+? buddy is trying to convince me to try it out (been fury forever)

[nova marsh]

Avatar and ravager are nothing but bloat and need to go

[jovial hare]

rend needs to actually interact w/ our kit

otherwise just make it passive on ms and cleave

[nova marsh]

Like I'm not arguing that arms isn't bloated

Fuck no, it's the most overbloated spec in the game and it's not even a debate I don't think

[jovial hare]

avatar needs redesigned too
its got the same issue as rend
press it and forget it

[nova marsh]

na

Avatar would have to be an entirely seperate CD for it to be worth it in arms imo

Our damage amp is already MORE then fulfilled by CS

[jovial hare]

i just want it to make execute go bongo and give us haste or something

like i dont want it to be a dmg amp

[nova marsh]

I'd rather just leave it behind

[jovial hare]

i like getting big tho

innuendo aside

like i just like being the big guy in the group

[nova marsh]

Avatar hasn't felt good to press to me since like bfa lmao

[nova marsh]

Ask for a mountian of scars and muscle buff

[jovial hare]

no i dont like colo

[nova marsh]

Seriously buff it to like 20% blizz cowards

[jovial hare]

lmfao

taurens would get stuck in doors

constantly

perfect immersion

[nova marsh]

Tell them to reroll

And honestly

Avatar would still exist for fury and prot because it has a point there

Namely thane

[jovial hare]

idk like
make avatar just give u like 3 sd procs+one on use
20% haste
and make sd do like 60% more dmg or something
also can we do something about colo literally not wanting to press execute

that feels criminal

[nova marsh]

The only way colo wants to press exe

is if we go back to launch TWW stacks imo

[jovial hare]

is on sd lmfao

[nova marsh]

And honestly....

I can live without that.

Eh

Stacks on SD sounds okay

[jovial hare]

idk it feels wrong that arms even has a world where it doesnt want to hit exe

[nova marsh]

But then I also would like to see improved exe be baseline (honestly this should just happen regardless)

[jovial hare]

like critical thinking should just be a passive arms learns at like 24 or some shit

thats like the biggest issue w/ the trees rn
theres so much shit that arms wants thats either too expensive
or feels like its not worth the point
despite definitely welcoming some shit

like martial prowess is nice to have, period
but fuck taking that shit if it means im giving up like blord or mass execution

[nova marsh]

Honestly I think prowess is tuned painfully low

Like....a lot of our talents tbh

[jovial hare]

blord being a deep talent is also criminal
the spec flows so much nicer with it

should be like right under MS

linking from sd/op

[nova marsh]

The tacti talents (Brute force and master tacti) are literally just unsuable

[jovial hare]

(imo)

[nova marsh]

I mean imo

Arms needs a full rework

[jovial hare]

ye

[nova marsh]

Down to the way we get rage

[unkempt plaza]

just make the dogshit spec have less buttons so it doesnt feel terrible trying to play optimal

[nova marsh]

i STG

[jovial hare]

mastery should honestly be a personal skyfury buff atp
needing a shaman to make sure my globals arent empty is tiring

[unkempt plaza]

having to track rend is maximum criminal

I aint no fucking feral

[nova marsh]

skyhold makes me feel like I'm in an insane aslyum for liking arms to any degree

[nova marsh]

My brother in christ

You're tracking a debuff anyways (CS)

[jovial hare]

just press it like every 15s man
whats the issue

[unkempt plaza]

I have 3 working braincells

[jovial hare]

skill issue

[unkempt plaza]

I press cs when its up

[nova marsh]

Then play fury

[unkempt plaza]

I am not trackiing

[nova marsh]

skill issue

[jovial hare]

"get rid of this bc i dont wanna think"
yo ret paladins calling ur name

[nova marsh]

Oh damn

[jovial hare]

u dont even need a single cell to play that

[unkempt plaza]

im not even offended

I used to be a ret

[jovial hare]

no im being deadass
if u dont want to think
survival and ret are probably a better fit

[nova marsh]

Sub rogue too

[unkempt plaza]

im being deadass too tho

[mystic summit]

its called "ret" for a reason

[unkempt plaza]

I have 4 chars

[jovial hare]

🗞️

[unkempt plaza]

all with 99 parses

nothing comes remotely close to arms button bloat

ss and rend need to go

why would I press that

[jovial hare]

idk this really isnt bloat to me

[unkempt plaza]

just bake that shit into something

[jovial hare]

the weird icon is OP bc i hate the default icon

[nova marsh]

Alright just remove any button that isn't CS, Demo, or main rota (Exe op MS slam)

I'm getting deleted for not saying delete slam I know

[jovial hare]

slam is fine, it just needs to actually do dam

[nova marsh]

Oh

I forgot bs

[unkempt plaza]

just remove at least 2 buttons and stop every single shit glowing

[jovial hare]

cutscenestorm

[unkempt plaza]

its distracting

[flat willow]

arms has 5 buttons

[nova marsh]

I mean honestly man

if that's distracting I'm 90% sure there's a way to turn off proc glow with addons

Or like use elvi

[jovial hare]

i dont doubt you can

[nova marsh]

Or just don't use bars and use the CDM instead cuz no glow

Like there are genuine ways that already exist to solve that if it annoys you

[flat willow]

[jovial hare]

cooldown companion can turn them all off

[unkempt plaza]

I know there probably is but arms isnt that far ahead of fury that I would feel like I need to play arms to stay competitive

[jovial hare]

cdc is also goated

[unkempt plaza]

especially considering I have 2 myth track weapons

[flat willow]

the damn ret players are turning every spec in the game into ret

[nova marsh]

I mean blizz already did that for them!

Guy s just make evrey ability cast by MS

[jovial hare]

cant stand "remove this shit cus i dont like it" w/ 0 thought arguments other than "me no like"

[unkempt plaza]

I'm just telling myself these dudes in the top keys are playing arms cause they got unlucky in vault

and do not have double myth weapons

thats why they play arms

[nova marsh]

Then go prove it

press n

[flat willow]

[nova marsh]

and select fury

[jovial hare]

go get r1 fury, get ur temp titles

[flat willow]

these dudes in the top keys that are playing arms are playing arms cuz they made a mistake at character selection and didn't pick unholy

[jovial hare]

[unkempt plaza]

HAHA

[jovial hare]

i wonder what word i just used that triggered the filter

[nova marsh]

Unholy is trash

[snow pagoda]

gimme that torghast power that MS/rampage auto casted a whirlwind with all modifiers

[nova marsh]

That spec plays worse then arms imo

[jovial hare]

i like playing arms cus i get to hit stuff with a big sword and make em bleed

[unkempt plaza]

arms was cool in shadowlands

[nova marsh]

I like how arms plays, I just wish it was better

[unkempt plaza]

when my entire action bar wasnt glowing

[flat willow]

idk unholy plays pretty well imo

[nova marsh]

NA MAN

[flat willow]

i tried a lot of classes this expansion and they were all pretty boring

[nova marsh]

I cannot stand being a tank outside of cds

[flat willow]

dk and warrior feel like they got lucky with the pruning

[nova marsh]

and having nothing rotationally going on for a minute straight

[unkempt plaza]

dude I legit feel like im playing suboptimal when I'm pressing buttons that arent glowing

I need therapy

[flat willow]

yeah but unholy deals single target damage

[jovial hare]

u need to take ur adhd meds

[nova marsh]

So does outlaw

[flat willow]

i mean, i guess?

unholy is a burst spec for sure

[unkempt plaza]

maybe I will just stick to demo

[jovial hare]

unholy is my problem w/ current class designed, distilled

[flat willow]

feels great on all the bosses with burst phases this season

[unkempt plaza]

its braindead and does more damage

[nova marsh]

Unholy is just a spec I don't vibe with

[jovial hare]

its ALL burst, and nothing else

[nova marsh]

I don't like doing literally nothing valuable outside of army

[flat willow]

i thought your problem was that you hated rend

[unkempt plaza]

I hate button bloat

[flat willow]

doesn't demolock have to tab target their rend

[unkempt plaza]

not rend in particular

[proper moth]

Unholy is the two pump chump dps spec

[flat willow]

demo has the same number of buttons as arms

[unkempt plaza]

it doesnt at all brother

demo has like

6 buttons

2 of which are on a 15 sec cooldown

implosion and dreadstalkers

demo is easy asf idk how you do not 99 parse on that shit

[flat willow]

yeah and arms has 6 buttons in their rotation

[unkempt plaza]

arms has like idk

cleave, slam / heroic strike, rend, mortal strike, execute, sweeping strikes, colossus smash, colossus the other thing

fuck that bro

[flat willow]

if you are counting your cds, demolock has way more than 6 buttons

and why are counting slam heroic strike as 2 buttons

[unkempt plaza]

I didnt

I put it as a slash

demo has shadowbolt, demonbolt, hand of guldan

[flat willow]

so cleave slam rend ms execute

[unkempt plaza]

and some 15sec cooldowns

dreadstalkers & implosion

[honest junco]

is slayer better when i dont have a shaman in my group?

[nova marsh]

More or less probally yes

[unkempt plaza]

I mean

[nova marsh]

Also it's easier to play in pugs

[unkempt plaza]

I have 99th percentile demo logs

[honest junco]

and lower keys? below 12

[unkempt plaza]

the spec is braindead easy

[nova marsh]

Bro

[unkempt plaza]

arms is confusing as hell

[nova marsh]

wow is braindead easy now

[flat willow]

that's nice but you still haven't said why arms is confusing

[proper moth]

It’s the other stuff like Stromboli shock wave wrecking throw that start filling the bars

[unkempt plaza]

because it has 70 buttons and 50 of those are glowing all the time and I dont like that

[flat willow]

I would recommend an interface where your buttons are hidden if the lights are your problem with the spec

[smoky kayak]

wars do have some confusing nuances, though they’re largely micro optimizations which aren’t all that important

[smoky kayak]

You can use addons to turn them off, Blizz default glows are horrible

[proper moth]

Archi get colo buffed😩

[exotic horizon]

Hello Guys . after Colossus smash should i finsh my cleave charge before demolish or demolish and than cleave ? taking into account i have 10 stack already

[jovial hare]

cs>demo>cleave spam innit?

[nova marsh]

Probally send demolish first

For the extra damage amp

[jovial hare]

u wanna get demo on cd as fast as possible

[unkempt plaza]

im gonna give up the life of ganking

and become a herbalist

[proper moth]

Do you still send it with a certain amount of stacks or just send it on cd

[jovial hare]

hold for 10 i believe? i think thats what biz does

id have to rewatch the vid

[nova marsh]

Guide says we can send at 5

[jovial hare]

oh

word

[unkempt plaza]

I will now join some poor dudes +10 as arms

[proper moth]

Gotcha gotcha

[jovial hare]

biz prob also doesnt play w/ tanks that like to be a bitch about pulling

[slow flame]

send during colossus smash window

[unkempt plaza]

no idea what im doing

[wet scroll]

Hows the 2 target rotation work for m+ slayer arms, is it same as 1 target? How does cleave factor in?

[unkempt plaza]

I will just send colossus smash and cleave and bladestorm

[proper moth]

Slayer is ez

[slow flame]

st

[exotic horizon]

if Demolosh CD came back before Collosus smash ? do i send or hold for CS ?

[proper moth]

Colo has a little more nuance

[slow flame]

hold

u only send avatar and ravager if u got CS

[jovial hare]

colo also feels clunky as hell

[nova marsh]

"OH LOOK AT ME I'M AN IDIOT WHO GOES AND PULLS 2 PACKS, THEN JUST AS EVREYONE SENDS THEIR CDS PULLS ANOTHER 3 PACKS

[slow flame]

and emolish ofc

[mystic summit]

@wet scroll just sweeping strikes and do st

[wet scroll]

What about cleave never use at all?

[slow flame]

i fu got the 35% talent cleave > slam at 35%

[nova marsh]

Colo's problem to me is stacks

[unkempt plaza]

what if I just macro sweeping strikes into mortal strike

[jovial hare]

"Oh, our healer is at 80% mana, I'm gonna wait before we pull this single pack"
gfys
actually just die
die die die

[exotic horizon]

to be honest i played slayer and Closus i see no diff in diffculty about it all the same

[nova marsh]

And ravager

[unkempt plaza]

I mean who gives a shit

[slow flame]

slayer is rlly good

[unkempt plaza]

I have shieldblock and ignore pain macrod into revenge on my revenge for prot

it does work

[slow flame]

dont jules

[proper moth]

I haven’t played the new specializations of either speck yet properly I switched off my long time warrior for Demon Hunter in the war within

[slow flame]

or ull have downtime

[mystic summit]

u get sweeping strikes from cs

[nova marsh]

Dosen't prot have ravager as a proc

[unkempt plaza]

only in the dps build

+15 shit and above prot build doesnt play rav

[slow flame]

colossus prio in st

lol