arms

[mental kernel]

oh and most interresting

this is in cooldown tracker

i have two in cd tracker

LMAO

[calm hollow]

its hiding from you

[mental kernel]

what did i do bliz

[soft gust]

try reloading lol

are you using any addons for the cdm?

[mental kernel]

no

and i reloaded/restarted game and in fact ive been looking for it for a while and just noticed the two sweeping strikes on cd bar

[hallow python]

is anything I'm tracking useless to track? I feel like all of it is important

so I can drop some clutter

[mental kernel]

rally useless

berserker rage not sure

[nova marsh]

One of them actually is stacks

Why its not in buffs is beyond me but one did work for me

[mental kernel]

its really not because i tried puting both up there

and it just shows cooldown 2 times

LOL

[nova marsh]

🤔

Maybe arc did it for me? I genuinely dunno

[hallow python]

well it works for this guy

so clearly it works

[mental kernel]

i got it to work

i deleted all profiles

[ember vault]

diffent guides are saying different things. Do we always delay demolish to sync with colossus smash or no? Demolish resets faster.

[mental kernel]

idk what happened to that profile

[nova marsh]

Btw

Can we make something display only on different builds

[calm hollow]

for me they mostly come back at the same time

you want to Demo while CS is up

[soft gust]

Weakauras died for this

high quality work from blizz

[calm hollow]

Idk why its not an expanding one either, i really miss my old WA for tracking these

[minor gust]

I'm taking socket over that shit anyday

[minor gust]

M+ right now always hold Demo for CS. In 12.05 you will send demo on CD in aoe

[mental kernel]

where are changelogs

for .5

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

Everything is in here if you want everything all together I'm sure wowhead had made something

[dire hinge]

change your profile in the lower left 👀
https://hrothmar.com/guides/find-missing-buffs-and-spells-in-the-cooldown-manager/

it's a really confusing bug, annoyed the shit out of me for weeks

some players get a profile created for them by default named 11 for some reason, and it hides Sweeping Strikes.
No idea why!

ah nvm i see you figured it out

[fair tinsel]

Seeing many running slayer for high keys, yet sims are saying colossus gaps it. I presume this is mainly for the st/being less relying on tank not being weird?

[wanton frost]

For fallen king salhadaar, does wrecking throw with javelineer actually destroy the casting images? I can't quite tell if I'm getting them, or if ranged kicks are

[fair tinsel]

trying to figure out the move with arms for if/when .5 guts fury in m+

[stable fiber]

it should

[spring orchid]

so wait, can someone explain to me why windfury buff is giga important for slayer arms

[stable fiber]

rage generation

its very good in execute

its more important for colossus cleave

[spring orchid]

is it like giga ass to play without them? trying to learn arms and i dont want to feel shitty while learning

[stable fiber]

its not that bad

[spring orchid]

colo feels fine but didnt try slayer yet

aight bet

[sage haven]

dosnt like slayer ^^ collossus feals just good in m+^^

[minor gust]

Both Colo and slayer are very good in keys. Colo big mongo aoe slayer more balanced dmg profile. Colo and slayer both have good funnel but Colos is much stronger.

[spring orchid]

what about single target, is it still bad or decent

[lone star]

quick random question, should we craft based off sim or should we just craft wrist or back?

[stable fiber]

kinda depends on the content your doing

[fair tinsel]

Big mongo resonates in my brain

and yet, I despise demolish with some tanks/mechs

fuck

[lone star]

as slayer in keys i keep up with all DPS ive been with in 12's colo only time i krank in boss fights is when the tank pulls adds

[spring orchid]

noted

[lone star]

we are a mythic prog guild and M+ im wanting to PR in rating

[stable fiber]

is it like a prog guild that cares about world rank

(aka top 100)

[lone star]

no sir

[stable fiber]

if not you can just slam wrists/cloak

for power in the future

[lone star]

bet ty!

[stable fiber]

id craft a myth weapon

first

[lone star]

yeah i got that

[stable fiber]

aight thats fine then

probably do cloak first then

and you can do wrists next week i think

i think its next week

[marsh needle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R8kLQF43pNvCwyKZ?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=5

i posted my 34 log last week and listened to u guys and went back this week and got a 90

just had to stop trying to save my CDs and just sent them all as soon as they came up lol

[hallow python]

I was hitting the dummies for a while and it felt like I had too much stuff to press at once all the time trying to keep MS and Cleave and OP on cd then weaving in the SD procs and manually using SS after cds cuz theres one that procs it. is it ms (ss buff) > cleave > ms > exe (sd) > op > rend when needed? without cds, just rotationally sorry I just felt like there was a lot going on and a lot to spend

[minor gust]

Slayer is a vibe very chill worth playing it while you can. Won't be surprised if at some point Colo becomes bis and slayer = shit again

[fair tinsel]

Going off that .5 patch it looks like all dps warrs are gonna be going in colo jail

feelsbad

at least m+

(that or fleeing to unholy dk or some shit)

[sand totem]

Why's that? We still get SD reap as long as we sweep it

[fair tinsel]

Demolish cdr looks like it'll make colossus blast

will have to see when patch hits

[jovial hare]

i don't wanna go back to colo jail

[fair tinsel]

same

I was so happy when tww s3 came and fury slayer brought the spec back from the dead

only to enter mn s1 and realize it's happening again but earlier

[sand totem]

God I fuck with this so hard

[pine wren]

I'm fairly new to Arms but I prefer Colo--why does everyone hate on it?

[fair tinsel]

feels clunky

can be inted by tank/mechs

[hallow python]

I dont like channeling and having more buttons and it presses execute less but thats all personal to me

[sand totem]

Uses cleave on ST

[fair tinsel]

That too, like wtf

[pine wren]

Oh, what the hell? lol

I knew it did in M+ because Ravager and what I assumed were cleave talents. Is this the case in Raid too?

[dire hinge]

you dont really take Cleave in raid unless you're doing some heavy add padding (or on Vanguard boss)

[near ice]

im testing cleave on cosmos prog

seems ok

[reef glade]

arms top boss dmg p1 alleria???

[near ice]

arms sorta kinda decent

yeah

im suprised myself sir

[reef glade]

def dont have cleave

but ts kinda flame

[sand totem]

[near ice]

i just dropped bloodborne for cleave and fob

to funnel

[abstract cairn]

is there any functional logic math thing/reason in why ppl prefers 2h sword instead of 2h axes/spears? that im not aware of

[fair tinsel]

Most axes look like ass

and spears are held weird

goofy anims etc

[sand totem]

I thought cleave was used instead of slam. Think I need to review the col prio lmao

[dire hinge]

in single target, only when Ravager is active or you have 3x Collateral stacks

there's some nuance, but like... eh

[abstract cairn]

oh i thought it was the wide dps range in the weapon or something like that, lol

[sand totem]

Damn I'm too slayer brained. My colossus is cooked lmao

[sand pollen]

I know it says to craft the bracers but if my belt is way lower ilvl should i craft that instead? Not sure why bracers > belt. can someone explain?

[dire hinge]

belt's fine too

[sand pollen]

cool

[dire hinge]

Belt/Bracer/Cloak are all your lowest source of mainstat (Strength), so it's the safest one to put it on.
your embelishment helps, but crafted items will never be max ilvl. Max ilvl = more stam/mainstat. So you want to put crafts on low stat pieces so you're losing less compared to a full mythic piece

[sand pollen]

copy, thanks for the explaination

[dire hinge]

of course!

[glossy tusk]

you guys play mass execution or not in m+?

[dire hinge]

yeah, it makes your cleave hit even harder as trash gets low health

[fair tinsel]

That's ages ago, weapon differences that is

[minor gust]

Slayers actually probably gonna be fine. Well see tho when it releases

[fair tinsel]

Like, the 1h pvp sword was worse because it had less top end

[fair tinsel]

I'm mainly trying to figure out what I do when thane fury gets randomly taken out back and shot for no reason again

2 xpacs in a row

Warrior player must have put a blizz dev in the corner chair of the bedroom or something, shit feels intentional and deliberate at this point.

[vast helm]

waiting for the final blue post tomorrow

[vapid spire]

What kind of update we have so far ?

[fair tinsel]

Honestly it feels like colossus clunk would go away with a bit more rage gen

I presume that's where skyfury buff comes in

but dummy testing 5tar to knock off tww s2 rust on aoe opener feeling wack when I stop cleaving off of cs to overpower to get rage to cleave for my demolish

[vapid spire]

Are we expecting to have some buffs ?

[fair tinsel]

In updates they are upping reap chance by 20%, and making demolish reset faster

no clue what else they do

[minor gust]

Realistically there's no way they don't do any tuning for the .5 changes before release

If they release thane like it is that's pretty fucked up and re tarded

[vapid spire]

Where can i see ptr notes ?

[pine wren]

You don't want to see them homie

[vapid spire]

I want to

Gimme

[fair tinsel]

Idk, same devs who nerfed arms in beta for....some reason

I have little faith ngl

[minor gust]

Fair enough

[vapid spire]

I have pictures of those devs

[swift flame]

we still hold pots for execute phase ?

[vapid spire]

ITS THEM

[fair tinsel]

Unholy got nerf reverts nearly insta, arms took well into launch to even start to get trickle buffs

[swift flame]

feel like execute going kinda insane rn no ?

[fair tinsel]

ayy lmao

eating crayons between dartboard tuning passes

[vapid spire]

They roll dices to gives us buffs, the problem is they dont know how to read

Or count

[fair tinsel]

Mailing some braille dice to their hq

perhaps some braille monitors and keyboards too in order to implement tuning passes

[vapid spire]

They're not blind, they just like to eat crayons

[minor gust]

Why not both?

[last saddle]

damn colo dragons is so real

[stray vessel]

is it the colo cleave build?

[plucky mortar]

This is the most realistic thing blizzard could do with warr!

[minor gust]

It's even better when you are the grip target for your dks

Grip em right to me baby I'ma press demolish

[last saddle]

i dont have that kind of influence

[sage bison]

what a dogshit fight if you dont own your own personal bdks

[nova marsh]

Same devs who literally put us at the worst spec in the game for absoutlely zero reason

And left us there long enough for tier lists!

[fair tinsel]

:)

smile

[nova marsh]

Tier lists always the biggest opp

Bigger then devs

[vapid spire]

We rank S on the chart while we're low on parse thats funny

[nova marsh]

....7-20 is a wide range ngl

[reef glade]

yea thats def a very real and normal chart

both of those tbh

not sure what either are showing but they seem equally made up

[vapid spire]

Its warcraftlogs

So its all registered parses

[stable fiber]

the right image is sortest by total keys ran by spec

of which arms is very very low

left image is fake tho

[vapid spire]

Its not fake lmao

[stable fiber]

it kinda is

only crazy people are pushing keys rn

[vapid spire]

I dont know what they're basing it on but its from archon

[stable fiber]

and the .5 patch is gonna shift shit up a lot

we still got like 10 ilvl to get on most characters, people are testing stuff, m+ meta isnt real rn imo

demo locks and unholy also toy abusing to do more damage

[vapid spire]

Wdym meta isnt real right now ?

There's already ppl at 3600+ io who are probably already over with this season

[dire hinge]

the season has ben out for what 2? 3? weeks? a lot of people aren't even max ilvl yet

[stable fiber]

nobody is max ilvl

[dire hinge]

meta is always changing, so it's real at the moment, but yeah it might shift

[reef glade]

3600 is absolutely not over with the season lol

title prolly like 2-300 points higher than that minimum

[vapid spire]

Some people are getting 3k io then they dip

[dire hinge]

(its me im some people hehe)

[stable fiber]

every spec can get 3k

[vapid spire]

Never said 3k is hard

But for a lot of people the goal is to reach 3k to get all the reward then they gtfo

[nova marsh]

Ye I'm in that camp

expect I'm doing it twice this time!

[green charm]

not me! i get 2955 and gtfo!

[nova marsh]

why

Brother it's two keys

[vapid spire]

There's usually around 50% less people doing keys at the 6th week

[green charm]

idk that's where I got to in TWW s2 pugging before I got sick of waiting for hours in queue and unsubbed LOL

[nova marsh]

fair based and true

[soft gust]

I am a colossus truther

[vapid spire]

I play with a small group of friend so most of the time we have either a healer or a tank

[soft gust]

Love this spec

[nova marsh]

Trying to stay ahead of the curve kinda sucks too

It's why it's way easier to just reach 3k and just be done

[vapid spire]

I wouldnt wipe 400+ times on a boss on mythic too

[nova marsh]

I mean

I wouldn't wonna either'

That's why I don't raid mythic and am just a key andy nowadays

[vapid spire]

I did raid mythic in DF, some boss were nice, but some were awful and not fun

[nova marsh]

I just know I can't play at a level where Mythic would be worth it

I'd be depressed about raid evrey night cuz I'd just feel like I'm trolling

[vapid spire]

I was pumping my ass off on 3 boss

[sand totem]

Feel this in my fucking soul lmao

[tidal igloo]

what is it that makes you do a like 1 tick bladestorm when (it seems) i hit execute?

[minor gust]

reap the storm

slayer talent

[tidal igloo]

oooo thankyou

so kind of rng on how often that procs then

lol never comes from execute im trippin

[minor gust]

it does read your other talents

It has a chance to proc from MS and cleave and guaranteed on SD

[formal verge]

For colo, on two targets is it cleave over MS sweeped or MS over cleave?

[tidal igloo]

OH

im blind i skimme dthem all quick and was expecting it to say somewhere something about BS

thank you

[minor gust]

Follow normal ST priority at 2T press cleave with x3 stacks of collat instead of OP

[vapid spire]

The fuck, we warrior we dont read, only zug zug

[formal verge]

sick tyt

[last saddle]

Kan Den Guild triumfere over de blasfemiske Paladiner?

[nova marsh]

4PC

FUCKING FINALLY

[tepid hull]

Someone here may know, but I got all three AOTC's over the last two days, I was really chasing my last piece of tier but lost every roll. Normally from memory, if you get AOTC for the tier, you get a token to redeem a piece of tier armour, but I didn't get enough from doing any of the b osses

Is this a design choice or a time gate for progression?

[nova marsh]

You get a catalyst charge instead

it's been this way since TWW S2 irrc

[tepid hull]

Right I didn't play much during S2

That might be why I don't know

Well I didn't get a catalyst charge...

[nova marsh]

Search your bags for an item called Dawnlight Manaflux

It's a physical item you gotta click

[tepid hull]

Yeah I googled that, that's what was meant to be awarded but I never received that

I'm guessing I might have already earned it somehow

[nova marsh]

You must've

Check for this feat of strength

[reef glade]

couldve also gotten from 2k m+ score

if u got that before all aotcs

[nova marsh]

BRO

WTF IS THIS SHIT

[reef glade]

real

[nova marsh]

I got a good laugh

we have a brew they asked to be nerfed too

[tepid hull]

Ahhhh that's it

Good pick

Already redeemed it

[nova marsh]

Oof

wait till reset angle

[reef glade]

you should be at 3 charges/tier pieces if youve got absolutely 0 tier out of any raid or vault

and next week is the 4th "guaranteed" catalyst to make 4set with no raid tier

[nova marsh]

Okay

4pc feels so good

[tepid hull]

Yeah I figured sword

I just wanted it earlier

had maybe 5 or 6 opportunities during all the raids

Lost every single roll

Just so painful sitting at 3 when its a single piece of gear that's the decider for a flat dps increase

[hushed pine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1245243948725833809.gif?quality=lossless&name=shiftyeyes&size=48

[nova marsh]

It's okay

I'm gapping them

[hushed pine]

Is 270 a good ilvl to heroic raid

[minor gust]

4pc aquired you are a real boy now

[reef prairie]

yea very much so

[hushed pine]

Thx

[vast helm]

Alnseer or Plume?

[fringe leaf]

is there a thread or something i can see arms vs fury in m+? my sims have arms doing more aoe but fury doing more st

[minor gust]

yeah its called warcraft logs

[nova marsh]

LMAFO

TALK SHIT GET GAPPED

I had too much fun that key

I was doing more but chocked last boss, +10 spire slayer

[fringe leaf]

thats not a thread at all

[minor gust]

it will give you the data you are looking for because theres none of that here

[hushed pine]

Seeing uhdk that high in dmg makes me wanna better with mine

[nova marsh]

That UDK was a real one

Unironically

Some of the most fun I've had in a key

[slow saddle]

its tbh way to much 😄

[nova marsh]

Yeah sorry I got caught up in the gapper key for me but

like 270 is almost fully outgrown evreything you could get from heroic raid. If people ask for that much they're insane

well rather

they just wonna be carried

probs

[slow saddle]

250+ comfortably as a guild 260 as pug should suffice

[nova marsh]

Also I finally get my first warr craft

Insane gains

[hushed pine]

Got 285 bracers today

Pog'd irl

And yeah I figured 270 might be overkill

But Heroic Heart from Vorasius though

[nova marsh]

That is a good trinkie

[slow saddle]

yeah

M heart here and HC lights company

cant get anohter passive trinket to save my life sadly

[nova marsh]

I'm still praying for prisim on either of my toons

My trinkets are dog ass across two characters

at this point

I might try raids on my warr

[slow saddle]

tbh str trinket on hc is easy to obtain

well tbh Heroic gaze

just get it in vault ofc

but still doable

its super easy and that trinket on hc beats almost everything mythic

[hushed pine]

I have Prism and Umbral Plume but I wanna try Heart to see how good it is compared to both

Everyone wants Gaze that's near impossible

[nova marsh]

Question

what's an alt code

[hushed pine]

Wdym

Special characters?

[nova marsh]

No like for crafting

[slow saddle]

nono

Gaze u get from vault

or never at all

such is the rule

[nova marsh]

Good trinkets never drop natty

and if they do they go to the worst dps of the party

[strong pine]

I got on 3 chars 5 gazes since vault 😂

[slow saddle]

haha

[strong pine]

That thing is everywhere

[slow saddle]

we have done 6 kills on hc

[tepid hull]

All my trinks dropped for me natty

[slow saddle]

1

[strong pine]

Not seen once in Raid tho

[slow saddle]

1 mythic kill 0

7 normal kills 0

[strong pine]

Drop rate is so ass

[slow saddle]

26-30 man grp

[strong pine]

Vault is like 70ish%

[slow saddle]

m8

theres a bug

[hushed pine]

I've seen it drop twice in raid and it's gone to the bottom dps

[slow saddle]

where u get replicas across chars

100% is real

[hushed pine]

They don't even know what it does

[slow saddle]

coz ive gotten SAME chest form m+

and same weapon from m+

2 weeks in a row 2 chars

statisticly impossible

[grave ravine]

They added a thing to vaults that after you take an item you cant get it in chest again right?

[reef glade]

[dire hinge]

I wish but no

Vault is a lawless land

It giveth and taketh away

[fast nebula]

I tried using this it just perpetually glows. Totally bugged.

[keen siren]

why does the arms war guide say to wait till u have 2 stacks of execute prescion b4 u ms

why hold ms? espc if ur not getting a proc

[slow saddle]

because

its for raid spec

[keen siren]

wouldnt u just ms if theres nothing left

oh

[slow saddle]

id wager

[keen siren]

well i read it for mplus guiide

[slow saddle]

as in m+ i would 100% send in CS windows

as op resets MS

but i actually dno if thats correct

but feels way better 😛

[keen siren]

now when i can spam execute i get 2 stacks then ms

when theyre low health

[slow saddle]

m8 its ALWAYS in execute phase only

[keen siren]

or if i get a proc ill use that first then ms

[slow saddle]

dont even think bout it in

[keen siren]

well u get procs

[slow saddle]

st

aoe prio is cleave > sd > ms>op

dont deviate for 2 ms charges

[keen siren]

nah i dont

[slow saddle]

if u got a prio target and 2 stacks up and only 1 sd proc and it isnt running out

[keen siren]

i prio just like u said

[slow saddle]

yes send that fat ms 😄

[keen siren]

when the ms crits too its so big lol

and if u have cs smash on them

[slow saddle]

Not big enough tbh

Ms desperately needs a buff

[keen siren]

same with execute

[swift flame]

think execute is fine now

mortal strike needs a fat 40% and we are so cash money

should hit for as much as a collapsing star.

[dense bridge]

yeah, and give MS a 2.4s cast too

[swift flame]

nah we can skip that part

[dense bridge]

it would be fun, alongside a sticking effect to your target

[scenic umbra]

Where warr buffs

[slow saddle]

nono

we are supposed to do shit dmg

[scenic umbra]

Why do i have to get benched in last three bosses bcs of my class

I wanna pay half sub too

[slow saddle]

i mean

just play fury

and u get bigger bench to sit on

[minor gust]

Dont play in a guild that will bench you problem solved

[slow saddle]

well i wont be benched

but IF we get ce

its gonna be freaking late

sooo 😄

wait we allready got 1 ce

CHimera KEK

[grim hull]

Slayer

Reap the Storm now triggers when Whirlwind or Cleave hits 3 or more targets. Chance to trigger changed to 15% (was 20%).
Imminent Demise no longer causes Sudden Death to trigger Reap the Storm.
Unrelenting Onslaught now also increases damage dealt by Bladestorm by 20%.

wtf is this

[minor gust]

that is outdated

is what that is

well not the 20% bs buff

but the other two are

[grim hull]

thank god

so not going live ye?

[minor gust]

your welcome

[grim hull]

i was very worried there for a minute

[minor gust]

the reap change with cleave will go live but the SD was compromised to still proc reap only with SS up and hitting 2 targets

but not with WW

[rose ibex]

Trying to decide whether to alt a enh shammy or sv hunter

What do you guys think?

[grim hull]

alright

where can i find info about that?

[grim hull]

sv hunter is yuck imo

go enh

[rose ibex]

Sv hunter is very chill

Its very good for playing when feeling brain dead haha

I can do the rotation in my sleep. Also I like pets

[odd ledge]

If only Sv hunter would fight like rexxar instead they got that soy gun rifle move

[minor gust]

Blizzard hasnt released an official patch notes yet sooo all you got is the timeline of PTR changes in here https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[rose ibex]

Boomstick is cool. Way cooler than fury of the eagle. I dont get the hate is for explosives and guns

[odd ledge]

Doesn't fit the theme that's all

[rose ibex]

Says you

I love bombs

So does my deaf crocalisk

[odd ledge]

Well rexxar is p much what a survival hunter is based on

So yea

[rose ibex]

Rexxar is his own thing

God of hunters

He is both a beast master and survival hunter

So disappointing he never does anything

[nova marsh]

You mean like the rest of the horde

[rose ibex]

Its true

So true

And I love the horde

The most significant horde dude we got is lorthemar right now... where the hell is rexxar, rokhan, baine, thrall?

[ashen night]

where garrosh zug

[karmic bronze]

do we still count sylvanas as horde ? we might see her a few more time

[rose ibex]

Im tired of eeeeelves man

Elves humans and dwarves oh my

Even haranir are just bat troll night elves

[rose ibex]

Garrosh did many wrongs but he was at least not boring

[slow saddle]

I mean Rage in execute sucks in M+ man even as slayer

u sitting there wanting to push a key cant coz u starve if u arent lucky

still push it coz i bet on luck

no luck for u

❤️

[austere hamlet]

im pretty confident it's just an arms fight already

[slow saddle]

ive had one of those days where Reap never procs on my cleaves

and ms during adds

[minor gust]

Very likely is at this point

[weak wave]

I heard that this weeks Xali's affix counts as slow too and can be removed with our Slayer Charge hero talent as well as with the Berserkerrage talent?

[halcyon valve]

Ive heard the berserker rage movement impair remove counts

Havent tested either myself

[odd ledge]

pilav not rank1 anymore on dragons

[rugged cobalt]

Yo lads, I'm a tank main who's looking for an alt. I've always enjoyed arms and bashing skulls. I've seen many people mention that arms pumps in aoe atm but that boss damage is a joke. How bad is it in m+? Are we gonna be sitting on bosses for 6 minutes in my keys because I didn't roll demo lock instead? 😄

[odd ledge]

boss dmg aint a joke

ppl who say that dont play properly then

atleast for slayer

[slow saddle]

Ok

NGL collosus with a shaman

is kindda fun

in SEAT 😄

[odd ledge]

colossus is argueably best aoe in m+ with the tradeoff of bad boss dmg yea.
slayer is good aoe dmg (consistent) and decent boss dmg

[slow saddle]

ye well u also cant press execute as often

so less chance of gettin

starved kek

😄

[odd ledge]

ye was just refering to markus d 😄

[marsh thistle]

should I maybe macro avatar to colossus smash 😆

[rugged cobalt]

But we're mainly playing colo in m+ right?

Say 15s+

[odd ledge]

no

if you minmax you play both kinda

depends on grp comp, and if you need bossdmg prio vs aoe

AA you would think colossus because brrrr aoe , but boss dmg is more important there so slayer

[marsh thistle]

the thing I hate the most is if people kick the death bolt cast in POS when it's targeting me in the last possible second 🙁 and arms is blasting there

[grave ravine]

Yo whats the I heard about spell reflect on last boss of seat?

[odd ledge]

theres a great m+ video from bizenstein on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsCiMCFdkfA

[grave ravine]

and apparently it does giga damn? what spell is it that you reflect?

[dim basalt]

The reflect from the 2nd last boss of seat does giga dam

[rugged cobalt]

Thanks!

[dim basalt]

Just reflect Mind Blast for free 2% of boss hp in damage

[finite ginkgo]

what do you think will the go to m+ spec in 12.0.5 be?

[dense sphinx]

how much better is colo arms ST getting after 12.0.5?

[candid pecan]

[rare kite]

4-5% iirc

[candid pecan]

I am actually hyped for 12.0.5

[dense sphinx]

yeah looking forward to it

[gentle gyro]

a dream

What is your ilvl?

[dense sphinx]

ive been so checked out doing bare minimum

[candid pecan]

280

[gentle gyro]

Damn

I will get there one day

[shell rampart]

Hello guys best talents for M+? Im seeing top m+ players and they run differents talents

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/EAOARUUVFVVGZRqQQBENVUVVCZRUGRUF0CFQFVVVVUBA

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/EAOBRUFVRVQWZRqQQBRNVVUVGIVRBYVF0BEFVVVVUBA

Which one is better?

[balmy sundial]

Hello,

I have a problem. I did Lura last week and this week. This is a 3 minute zoom of the log (first 3 minutes). Last week I was simming 2k less then this week. But this week my damage is shit. I can't find the solution. I will try again with Soulflare Prism this weekend, but I cannot believe one trinket could make such a difference. The biggest difference is Bladestorm and Mortal Strike, damage breakdown of other abilities seems to be okay.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CgPYwXcWFDqT1Vp8?fight=29&type=damage-done&source=9&start=12914121&end=13095262 (last week 93k dps)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bpBDgHdm3WwKz7f6?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=5&start=8614682&end=8795539 (this week 75k dps)

Any help, tip or pointers are appreciated.

[native heath]

Did a test run a +12 pit key as arms with aug in group, does this breakdown seems okay, if not can someone give me a few pointers?

[balmy sundial]

my cleave is always winning in m+, but i am a 80-90% +10 scrub

[leaden garnet]

The difference may literally be down to RNG. I want to point out that in your kill, 6:26, you used 31 Overpower casts. In your second run, which lasted almost two minutes less at 4:33, you cast Overpower 41 times

31% crit rate on MS in the first log, 13% in the second log

[soft parcel]

so prism is a big deal

[leaden garnet]

... No.

Prism is a good trinket, but it doesn't singlehandedly make your MS crit three times as often

Sometimes you just get wild variance in your RNG

There's a reason sims are run thousands of times to get reliable results

[kind stag]

Crit gods hate me

[rare kite]

variance and no monk buff in 2nd pull

[slow saddle]

no monk no mas

Just crit and Reap

brotha

pref both at a high rate

[willow quarry]

How demolish AoE is working ? its striking targets in front of u or around ?

[rare kite]

yes

[slow saddle]

infront

we get cones we dont get circles

[sullen dragon]

Trying arms first time in raids this weekend, are we doing slayer or col arms?

Been a fury main for to long and trying my best to get better at arms

[slow saddle]

HAHA

Why

do u wanna cause yaself pain ?

just play fury unless u are doing paladins then play collosus arms

Every other fight is just painfull on arms VS just going thane when theres pad

[rare kite]

i quite liked arms on vorasius. gonna play arms on nexus this week as well i think

[weak wave]

So we should all play Slayer in Keys cause ST is so important.

[fresh spire]

The st gap is alot closer in .5 so can basically play what you want in that patch.

Slayer losing reap balanced it pretty close to colossus that benefits more from the wounds change

[nocturne needle]

is the loa ring better than arcanoweave if you're not expecting to get a myth track item in either slot?

[odd ledge]

Said who

[strong pine]

Isnt loa ring more or less better for defense than offense?
I thi k arcanoweave is better due to it giving Main Stat

If im not wrong here

But for VDH for example Loa warship ring is best for defense on him

[slow saddle]

.5 u dont play slayer unless theres a decent ST buff id say

[strong pine]

M+ is so much more important to Cleave Adds than ST dmg
A phys comp has decent ST with feral and BM or MM

But arms destroys adds
On +14 nexus i annihalted every pull 😂

[nocturne needle]

Oh? I thought Loa just procced main stat/haste?

Oh just read it properly, and a damage proc 😛

[short wolf]

Depends on dung

[fresh spire]

We know tuning is coming

What they tune is another question

Regardless colossus is in a much healthier spot being only 3k behind slayer currently in full st

[slow saddle]

Yeah thats fucking fantastic

now just buff both specs

so + 20% ms dmg for both pretty please

😄

[weak wave]

https://youtu.be/jsCiMCFdkfA?is=QitxOqFhn0EKpIYI

[leaden garnet]

Genuinely baffled that your takeaway from that video is "Slayer always"

When half the video is how to pilot Colossus

[kind stag]

Slayer is giga comfy

[slow saddle]

most of video is collosus better

but requires more of grp

[kind stag]

Colo is pump but harder to pilot and depends more on keys/tank/comp

[slow saddle]

i mean i did just play a col key with shaman and ngl it was great

esp since i dont press execute so im not starved as easily

where as slayer can still get starved if me gets a bit greedy

and i do

[kind stag]

Yummy rage

[slow saddle]

though the whol not send MS on CS

unless 2 stacks of ep

feels a weird coz i wanna extend cs as much as possible, but then im not using exe which is also bad

:D;

[kind stag]

Because colo is giga jank

[slow saddle]

this is as slayer

colo is less jank

coz colo cant rly send executes

[kind stag]

Colo is way more jank

[slow saddle]

yes

exept in execute part

[kind stag]

Slayer does fine except execute spam

[slow saddle]

thats where i feel slayer prio gets a bit janky

[kind stag]

Thats just arms in general unfort

[slow saddle]

y but col cant press exe at ALL

so no pain point 😄

[late yarrow]

Feel like I can hardly use mortal strike in execute range half the time because of being so rage starved. I’m sure my rotation is part of the problem but damn

[kind stag]

Pain point is rend and ravager instead

[slow saddle]

idm ren

d

i send it once in a while

and ravager is the same

i just removed the idea in my mind its for st

and just send it when ever i have cs up and just get some giga cleaves

then im fine with it

i just forget its a spinining weapin that used to do dmg 😄

[kind stag]

I need to do better on colo

Slayer im real comfy with

[lunar idol]

Guys this video for a noob like me, 3k rio just switched to arms is si overwhelmed

[kind stag]

Colo idk i just suck

[sturdy flicker]

Played arms on salad bar and now dragons. It's so much more fun than fury. What's the .5 patch doing is either arms or fury expected to be alot better or worse for raid

[slow saddle]

i mean

id venture that fury will get some buffs

so will arms

if not its collosus id say all the way ??

if its st is about the same as slayer, it has some nice burst that comes up often and u can farm procs on trash

[kind stag]

Slayer is still gonna pump on st

Bladestorm is gettin buffed too

[slow saddle]

if by pump u mean wetnoodle

then yes

just like now

we shall c though and pray

keep in mind the

[sturdy flicker]

I kinda hope arms is go to for raid I think it is now it's doing similar overall on most fights and crushing fury on st

[kind stag]

Compared to colo, slayer at least beats tanks on st

[abstract lion]

Hello. You guys are sick of noob questions i know. Im respeccing to arms from fury. I got mu stats very close to BIS, have trinkets. When i run a sim of my arms and compare to my fury sim, arms looks way weaker. Are sims not designed to be used that way? Should i only sim within the same spec?

[kind stag]

Atm arms and fury got kinda similar st

[slow saddle]

in 12.05 they be pretty equal

[slow saddle]

i mean thats not rly true

theres a decent gap

[kind stag]

Idk, all info ive seen still not equal but smaller gap yeah

[slow saddle]

like i sim like 84k

arms

90k fury

[abstract lion]

Yes!

[slow saddle]

thats a decent % gap

[abstract lion]

Same

But warlogs shows clear arms superiority

[kind stag]

6k is similar honestly, with crit and SD rng

[slow saddle]

no

it does not

warlogs shows arms good in 1 fight

if u arent doing that fight arms is blah and fury is a lot better for rest

[sturdy flicker]

No it shows arms doing a lot more bosss damage on almost all fights. Depends what ur raid needs.

[rare kite]

arms better on vorasius as well

[slow saddle]

but again thats Wrong

[abstract lion]

No. I will screenshot it hang on. Maybe im misunderstanding something

[slow saddle]

its because the fury parsers

[sturdy flicker]

No it's not lol

[slow saddle]

send shit into adds

where as if u LIKE as fury u can uphold a better st while cleaving adds easily

[sturdy flicker]

Right and arms can keep up and do better at

[slow saddle]

no

not at all

not even close

in M+

arms is lit

ngl

[kind stag]

Fury pads tons tho

[slow saddle]

in raid it is not

yes but the pad costs little st

esp as thane

[sturdy flicker]

I mean the funnel arms has is pretty sick

[slow saddle]

FUN?

[gilded trail]

Can we run haste/mastery on weapon or it’s better crit/haste ?

[slow saddle]

m8 theres near no funnel in raid

and u cant build towards the funnel part ^_^

wihtout not being st relevant

[kind stag]

Crit haste is always better but you can keep haste mast for both specs

[slow saddle]

but yes on paladins we fuck

no questions asked

[rare kite]

nah man if your weapon is not crit/haste then you will do literally no damage. might as well not have a weapon

[sturdy flicker]

Salad bar you can have ss up the whole time

[gilded trail]

Thanks Goat !!

[sturdy flicker]

Dragons ur doing a bit more bosss damage dam similar aoe

[slow saddle]

i mean dragons u loose the pad game but boss dmg pretty sim mythic i give u that

sad part is just that both specs ST numbers are pretty weak and its really a raid where we should super shine on first 5

[sturdy flicker]

What does ur raid need play that

[slow saddle]

it needs more dmg

so prob not warrior at all 😉

[sturdy flicker]

On what aoe or boss lol

[slow saddle]

in general ngl

[sturdy flicker]

Arms is def sneaky better than people think

[slow saddle]

also most of how our raidleader does shit is from a range perspective

[sturdy flicker]

Ur seeing more logs each week prove that

[slow saddle]

which fucks melees on a general basis

take vora. i c logs whre they switch sides to keep uptime on melee

our grp nah fam first 2 sets u go to narnia and hate life

[candid garden]

Always go haste mastery. Crit is useless stat. Even with 1% crit you can still crit. Just crit anyway

[slow saddle]

facts just roll the dice better

[kind stag]

Gambler mentality

[candid garden]

Not a gamble, just crit

[astral yarrow]

demlosh is much better you just roll a crit every time

[sturdy flicker]

This is the safe kill boss Strat. Not get u a parse start. He's prob trying to keep things clean and easy for more time on prog

[astral yarrow]

warrior is good

[kind stag]

Ngl mastery sims well on colo in some combos

[slow saddle]

yeah well theres little difference if u just switch sides, apart form ppl have to rememer RIGHT-LEFT-RIGHT

instead of right right right 😄

but ye we got tiny brains so same side better

[candid garden]

Engineering actives use gcd or no?

[astral yarrow]

thats gonna be the same thing with every spec. The more haste you have, the less the next point of haste is worth, where when you already have haste, mastery is worth more

[slow saddle]

1st boss AFTER we got it on farm, they now tank in narnia 😄

[kind stag]

I guess its also because colo plays bit slower and goes for bigger hits on demolish

[slow saddle]

100% trying to fack me parses and let range feast

i mean more demos also good

haste affects that

[kind stag]

Except rage issues at times

[astral yarrow]

haste doesnt alleviate those sadly

[kind stag]

Make OP give 10 15 more rage or somethin blizz

[reef prairie]

damn dude i did like 2 slayer keys and i think im slayer pilled now

[kind stag]

Welcome brother

[reef prairie]

i just dont like demolish. never liked fyrakk legendary either

doing a key without having to demo felt really nice lol

[umbral badger]

i know what you mean, although i still enjoy colossus more, slayer still feels more solid as a design :p

[dim basalt]

col is just miserable without a sham and without a good group so ye

[hasty pumice]

What was the current reap chance from cleave?

Trying to understand the ptr changes a bit more since they'll come up much sooner than expected.

MS can't proc it, SD only when used with sweeps and cleave now has a 35% chance when hitting 3+ targets to proc it compared to 15%, did I get that right?

[reef prairie]

Yea its definitely partly no shaman too

[dim basalt]

Even with Slayer it can feel bad without a sham but its manageable

[reef prairie]

Thats totally fair! I do also enjoy colo

[hasty pumice]

I only run into rage issues without shammy during execute phase on bosses

[dim basalt]

yuuup

[reef prairie]

Never really had a problem on aoe but on bosses sometimes i was wishing for a shaman

[dim basalt]

ye its mostly a boss issue

[hasty pumice]

Execute costs too much

Having to do 2x execute into one MS is costly af

Even with the 33% OP reduction

But I mean the boss damage is more than fine

[dim basalt]

CT should be baseline but it is what it is

[hasty pumice]

Especially BL during seat final boss damage amp

If you do 2nd amp BL omg

The damage spikes so hard

🔥

[umbral badger]

well, my problem with colossus vs slayer is more about the chaos, with slayer even if the tank is trolling i can pull 150 to 170... colossus on the other hand 😮

kinda ruins my whole thing when the tank is doing weird stuff

[hasty pumice]

Colossus I wouldn't pick in pugs since you don't know if your other mates will pump on boss

And colossus heavily benefits from good tanks that give you funnel

Your ST is crazy high on col if you get 2 extra targets

[dim basalt]

Col with funnel in .5 😩

15s cd on Demo is ridiculous

[hasty pumice]

In lower keys people tend to do aoe on funnel even if they don't have anything or don't understand their relevancy

Even in title key pugs last season I saw DKs spam frost scythe on funnel for DH / fury

Like bro

Please

[hasty pumice]

Yeah biz will be happy

[dim basalt]

Biz and Crit will crank like crazy

[hasty pumice]

I had a tank yesterday in maisara 18 who gave me funnel but

Then my mates cc'd the reanimated warriors

So good bye funnel

[hasty pumice]

I wish I could even nearly replicate what they do but the tanks in 19s are usually just insane. With good reason. I'm not at 19 yet sadly

[umbral badger]

gotta always keep the mindset that you can do it too even if you can't :p

[hasty pumice]

Yeah I'm still not 100% into the dungeons and I'm focusing too much on small puddles or tanks moving around like madmen so I mess up my rota a lot

Haven't had a 200k overall peak yet

Only 180-190k, mostly 173-175

[umbral badger]

it is what it is, some dungeons you'd be at 145k and nothing you can do about it but we go next 😄

[hasty pumice]

Delaying cleave too often by a GCD or dropping sweeps and not immediately reapplying it

[gilded trail]

I was doing around 10K on ST first Pit boss

[hasty pumice]

10 or 100?

[gilded trail]

10M

Not using the default details

[jovial hare]

should just make our mastery also have an extra hit chance in addition to free dam at this point
im tired of being shackled to shaman boss

[versed lagoon]

Bake the extra hit in battle cry 👀

[jovial hare]

different flavor of skyfury

why not

[sharp goblet]

why is master tactician even a thing? you spend one point on tactician and get 30% chance to proc, and then you have to spend a final tier tree point to get 5% extra chance? tf...

[strange basalt]

did colo ST get buffed?

i havent played at all this week

[viscid fossil]

okay so if i want to go arms for aoe i go colossus despite everyone hating it, did i get that right

[strange basalt]

Colo has the best AOE in the game atm

but play slayer for more ST and its aoe is still good just not insane like colo

[viscid fossil]

yeah thats why im a bit confused about ppl complaining. it must be really shit to play? or is it rng dependant?

[strange basalt]

no

imo its actually fun

its just bad ST damage

[viscid fossil]

aight cheers

[strange basalt]

its ST damage is = to tank dmg just about

[viscid fossil]

that i got but thats not the point with the spec i guess lol

[strange basalt]

true

it just shows on M+ bosses

[warped ether]

holy moly what is up with the game

i felt like s3 tww was bad for waiting on tanks

but my god it is impossible to find one now

[viscid fossil]

what key range

[warped ether]

rare specimen

trying to do 14+ rn

[viscid fossil]

might be a bit too early still for pugging those idk

[warped ether]

been back for a week

feels like hell

[viscid fossil]

i noticed that 12~ keys start to become an issue with pugs, myself included

perhaps tanks cba

[warped ether]

idk

i guess if you dont have a 5 stack you cant play the game gg

[viscid fossil]

if your eu, ppl are working too

[slow saddle]

I mean bring shaman or its shit

And cd misalignment can be super frustrating

[odd ledge]

so you didnt watch the video gotcha

[weak wave]

Sure did.

But seem to have skipped the 1st part

[jade grove]

Try pugging at prime time. Might still take 10 minutes but you‘ll find groups pretty quickly

A lot of people looking for groups at 6 - 7 pm CEST

[last saddle]

I usually filter groups by already has a tank

[robust coyote]

So I tried out arms last night for our mythic night and parsed not great. I went to archon.gg to see if it could help me figure it out...and this was the biggest issue I had. But it doesn't make a lot of sense to me -- how can I cast slam if heroic strike was procced? Also, the grammar doesn't make a ton of sense.

If anyone would be willing to DM me and look at my logs to see how bad I am and what I need to do differently I would appreciate it

[vale cradle]

Since don't

[viscid fossil]

damn arms is 12 times harder than fury

also rend, yikes

[lone raft]

big thing that helped me was going into the CD manager

and adding an audio que for when sweeping strikes stops

[icy mulch]

That is a great idea.

https://tenor.com/view/ais-thumb-trophy-gif-19130042

[viscid fossil]

its mainly tracking and aligning several long cd abilities. ss is like ww stacks, im kinda aware

[shut token]

Is there any fix for the "spell not learned" when using the heroic strike macro? Except for relogging everytime?

[ripe field]

Any sim pros around? I've been swapping over from Thane to Arms Slayer and the change feels great, but I'm left wondering why Thane sims 10-20% higher than Arms Slayer in 1, 2, 5 and 10 target scenarios, but real world data points to Arms Slayer having a higher overall than Thane

I get that sims don't model many aspects of dungeons and that surely accounts for some of the variance in sim vs real world but

Idk, going from minus 10-20% in all target counts to actually pulling +10-15% more overall is a rather massive swing

[shadow osprey]

Make sure you have [known: Heroic Strike]

#showtooltip
/use [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; Mortal Strike

Or whatever ability you use it on.

[shut token]

Yeah I have that, sometimes wheni queue into dungeons or arenas it breaks and says spell not learned :/ Is there anyhting i can try to make it not do that?

[viscid fossil]

is the sim sustained cleave vs big pulls in the real world?

[ripe field]

It shouldn't be difficult to infer that I'm familiar with such from what you quoted. Typically there is a trend - stronger simming spec normally outperforms weaker simming spec. That is to say, sims usually provide a solid ballpark. This is an exception in my experience

[shadow osprey]

Hmmm i would do two things. Make a new macro. Put that on my bars and then log out and quit, not exit game as sometimes exiting game doesn't preserve macros and make sure if you are using some kind of ui/action bar overhaul that there is not some kind of pvp setting that changes your bars or what not when you queue in. Outside of that make sure you are in your pvp spec when you make the macro and put it on your bars if you dont use shared action bars.

[shut token]

I will try this, great info! Can my addoon pvp tab target be interfering with it you think? It makes me target players only when i tab when in instanced pvp and outside pvp it works like normal tab target

[shadow osprey]

I find that unlikely as it doesn't have anything to do with the macro ifs it's only affecting your tab unless it is attached to that macro

[shut token]

Okay good, I will try the quit game tips now and see!

and make a new macro

[umbral badger]

from my experience most ppl do basic sims , and such basic sims can be tricky when it comes to identifying a spec's strength. that said thane does sim slightly higher than my arms and i have both at perfect gear. but when i play in dungeon my slayer does more overall probably because how when you sim you don't always take into account things like "stacks" , aka BS stacks or heroic strike stacks.. plus other factors probably ?

[shadow osprey]

Just to make sure I understand. You are going from Fury Thane to Arms Slayer. And you are wondering why arms slayer in your real world example is doing better numbers than fury thane?

What key level and how long are the adds alive in your real world scenario? This is a huge factor.

[umbral badger]

like arms overall will always have stacks from the previous pulls that end up boosting their next pull's damage a lot

[umbral badger]

as well as what i just mentioned above :p maybe if ppl just adjust the sims where they have some stacks from heroic strike/3 BS stacks they would get much better sims for slayer vs thane fury

[shadow osprey]

Very true

[soft gust]

I tested your idea of sending BS at 3 stacks before cleaves/sd in the APL yesterday and it came out to a ~0.1% improvement

and generally "preexisting" stack values will roll into next cd windows and such for longer sim times

its not a significant diff

[umbral badger]

ty, i assumed as much and i hated thinking about it

[soft gust]

Its a very minor optimization but technically worth

Likely not noticeable on the overall tho

[umbral badger]

yea usually i get obssessed with stuff like this but i am learning to ignore things that complicate playstyle as when you are older you wanna do that lol

[latent moss]

i do it like

i bs before cleaves if after bs the pack is in mass execution

<35%

i bs after cleaves if not

[umbral badger]

yea that happens sometimes too

[latent moss]

common example are birds before 3rd boss skyreach

even in an 19 they have very low hp

[umbral badger]

also you learn that on higher keys you get more dps SPECIFICALLY because of mass execution as your second CS will be ready when enemies are lower than 35%

unlike lower keys when your CS is like ready as they are at 1%

[latent moss]

ye arms needs 2 cs per pack imo

either way i cant wait for .5

colo dream

[umbral badger]

at least colossus needs that more to justify it's existence

slayer can still justify it's existence cuz it's overall good

ngl as i always used to hate slayer i am liking it now cuz it's doing things that colossus can no longer do :p

like sudden death is making my mortals hit like a truck so i am happily prio my 2 sudden death mortals over a cleave if there is another sudden death waiting

would be nice if they do something so that colossus can use the sudden death charges in AoE somehow instead of feeling that i've just wasted a talent on it lol

[robust coyote]

What exactly is this macro doing? Is it casting heroic strike if available first, and if not then it casts mortal strike?

[soft gust]

you use it as filler before slam

Its just not very high prio

[umbral badger]

yea i don't think i've used slam once in AoE

i always have overpowers/ mortals/ cleaves

[soft gust]

its rare

[umbral badger]

yup

would sudden death get some value if it gave colossus might stacks ? or even that won't help it?

like only sudden death lets say

[soft gust]

Execute used to give might stacks in TWW

they removed it

[umbral badger]

yea

[soft gust]

not sure why

[umbral badger]

that's why i am saying only sudden death

if they hated execute doing it overall then just sudden death

[soft gust]

I liked execute doing it in general so I'd enjoy that probably

I dont know if that would be enough to bring its priority over overpower tho

since dreadnaught and battlelord provide a lot of value in AoE

[umbral badger]

yea and if they thought execute doing it was problematic cuz your spamming the fk out of demolish , we don't have the rage for that anymore 🤣 🤣

but then again , sudden death is rare enough for colossus, getting colossus might out of sudden death won't break anything but will at least make me like the talent i took

i would assume it would be prio over overpower with colossus might stacks cuz of the 35% mortal strike damage which should outweigh dreadnaught damage ?

not sure

or at least after 12.0.5

[fresh spire]

Tbf just with .5 changes its generally worth just bladedstorming>cleave/sd due to 20% bs buff

[umbral badger]

i had no idea there is a BS buff lol

nice nice

[latent moss]

20%

[fresh spire]

There should be more buffs coming

To cover the loss of reap I st for fury and arms

[umbral badger]

use your power to make them make sudden death appealing for colossus 😮

if we are forced to take it anyway i'd like it feeling glorious xd

[fresh spire]

Deepwounds if bleeds from colossus was actually good angle

[shy dew]

so even with SD proc no longer in ST, will be slayer still good?

[fresh spire]

Slayer lost like 2% after the wounds and bladestorm buff

[umbral badger]

to be fair though, when we have so much crit "and when slam applies deep wound soon" i am not even sure if even that's worth it

[fresh spire]

Not too bad. Aoe is around same though sd usage requires sweep up now for reap procs

Crit will always be good

[umbral badger]

so like if sudden death is not even needed for deep wounds anymore, what's next 😄

#make execute great again

mega

[shy dew]

yeah, i miss old expansions execute

my monkey brain just want 1 skill

[umbral badger]

i just wanna be excited about a talent i took 😄

not like "yaaay my execute is glowing, not gonna use it anyway though"

cuz aoe

[fresh spire]

Personal feelings is Colossus should lean even harder into slam and we have sd and cleave swap places on arms tree so both dps specs are "forced" to take cleave so we are tuned around always having it then slayer can pick up sd while Colossus can ignore it for slam talents

[umbral badger]

yea, i'd reomve cleave from executioner precision and lean harder on that multiplier for mortals and slams

slam does feel more of a colossus thing afterall

[shy dew]

same, colossus is a lot complex than slayer

[fresh spire]

Slam should do more damage for colossus sub 35% and be a direct replacement for execute

While slayer it dominates sub 35% without rage issues.

[latent moss]

we got a glimpse of that design

in alpha but they scrapped it

[fresh spire]

Ofc we have pitched an idea to try get ravager shot.

I say we I mean archi using some statistical data

[soft gust]

Still can't believe they killed ravager and ava for us and then brought them back

[shy dew]

blizz as always don`t like nerfing or doing shit with only 1 spec

21st will be 3 specs they`re trying killing

[fresh spire]

Hes trying his hardest to get ravager replaced with something new we cooked up

[shy dew]

prot, arms and fury

[fresh spire]

[latent moss]

🙏🙏

[fresh spire]

Numbers are better for St while competitive with ravager on aoe

[latent moss]

praying for it twice a day

[fresh spire]

Praying for it every time I think of John blizzard

[soft gust]

is this the cs change he mentioned

[fresh spire]

Yep

[latent moss]

ye

[fresh spire]

Was like 3k more st dps while matching aoe dps

[soft gust]

That would be great

esp with the st increase we're already getting in .0.5

[latent moss]

when new ptr notes

[fresh spire]

With how demolish works now with cdr changes even more so to have less reasons to ravager and more reasons to press ms

[fresh spire]

Tonight hopefully.

[latent moss]

hoooly

🙏🙏🙏🙏

[fresh spire]

As we are due tuning for .5

[latent moss]

please blizz

[fresh spire]

So likely will see updated patch notes for .5

Though they could easily come next week too

[shy dew]

we`ll need another 5 posts for it man

5 posts in bluepost, 2 in wowhead

[fresh spire]

Earlier they post blue post earlier I can cook apl for .5 ready

[soft gust]

Tonights tuning notes:

Rage generated by "Just warming up" talent increased from 15 to 18

[shy dew]

or bring back that passive where when took damage gain rage

[fresh spire]

I was hoping warming up would get added to the raveger replacement and have Tactical Edge take its spot on tree

[soft gust]

That's wishful thinking

[fresh spire]

Would actually use Tactical Edge if it was where warming is

[soft gust]

TE would be so nice

to not RNG starve with no op procs

[fresh spire]

Hoping 1.0 is the beginning of culling down aoe talents so arms tree is less cringe

Die ravager and mass execution at a minimum please

[shy dew]

arms and fury need a decent talent tree

this one now seems awful

[fresh spire]

Fury isn't that bad just half tree is dead as raging blow actually sucks ass

[shy dew]

fury problem is that uncapped aoe useless talent and u can`t set enraged defensive without remove dmg

[fresh spire]

Enrage is another whole bag of worms. Funny thing is you don't even need it for half of tier as bosses juat don't do enough damage to need it

Stance mastery is just way too good

[stoic trench]

bruh i just fully converted to arms from fury but these 12.0.5 changes have me worried.... can you guys assure me i didn't make a grave mistake converting

[soft gust]

Col changes are good and a buff, slayer changes are meh and probably fine with tuning

Col st will likely feel much more smooth with higher cdr

[stoic trench]

i just wanna play slayer bro why does blizzard have to keep fucking with slayer.... regardless of arms/fury, to me it's the most fun, and it feels like they have a vendetta against it rn

[shy dew]

i have the same feeling bro

almost every week they want to mess up with smth in slayer

Reap the storm proc changed like 12 times since prepatch

[stoic trench]

yeah i mean i get that it's strong... but it feels like the most class-indentity thing warrior has right now... you hit them and then you do a quick spin with your weapon, smacking everything around you... and it FEELS GOOD to see it proc

and to have it just keep getting hit is weird. Esp when fury is just playing tclap spam, and most warriors are just playing coloss cleave spam... i dont understand why reap keeeps getting cut down lol

also bladestorming is satisfying, another iconic warrior move... so playing the spec that utilizes it feels great, but for some reason that's the spec they keep targeting 😅

anyways i know i'm monologuing, sorry bout it, just looking to have as much fun spinning as I did in season 3 of TWW.... was peak warrior gameplay for me personally

[latent moss]

idk i never liked slayer arms

bs is an unskippable cutscene

st dmg is random

aoe dmg is random

idk i just dont find it enjoyable

[umbral badger]

i mean as a loong time slayer hater i don't get what's the problem with it now

it looks like a solid design compared to colossus at least

[latent moss]

insane rng

[umbral badger]

i mean yea but even thane is like giga rng

[stoic trench]

maybe it's the dopamine hit from pressing it and seeing/hearing all the hits? idk, to me it just feels good to press it in a big group while you just become a whirlwind

[umbral badger]

i guess it's a warrior thing for the most part

[latent moss]

as colo u press ur buttons in the correct order and u do roughly the same dmg every single time

slayer not at all

[latent moss]

if it was fury speed sure

its way too long

[umbral badger]

i mean tbh i stopped being a druid main ever since they added many procs to it long time ago, same for enhance shaman.