arms

[abstract sphinx]

that talent proc

aoe line

rend gives u rage generation

[soft gust]

Im well aware

[abstract sphinx]

if anyone can help with this I greatly appreciate it

[void parcel]

here is mine, id call it clear and ig i track all important stuff

i dont play wrecking throw so if u play it gotta add it urself

[trail lichen]

Hey guys, for slayer arms at 20% what is the execute rotation? Do i only use ms when i use execute twice? Or what is the prio there?

[shy dew]

[olive nest]

Yes you only use ms when it has 2x ep during execute, so you will not always press it on cd due to rage gen being ass

[trail lichen]

Yeah i understand that prio, but watchung crit Stream and he uses ms sometimes with just 1 stack

[olive nest]

He’s just gaming, happens

[ionic mica]

🙂

some do

[trail lichen]

Also shoulnt execute be higher than ms since i always want the 2 stacks? Or i only use It after execute gets the proc?

In prio i mean

[olive nest]

You execute above ms until you have 2x ep yes

[thick kelp]

its a priority

[olive nest]

During execute**

[trail lichen]

Learning arms srt

Ah ok so its like , outside the burst Windows, execute execute ms, execute execute ms and keep going?

[soft gust]

You know what I stand corrected. The hero parses are all slayer but apparently theres an ass load of colossus parses on mythic dragons

[shy dew]

slayer is so much enjoyable to play, colossus feels like is missing smth

and is missing ST

[vapid pine]

Not at all, many of those globals will be OP since you'll have no rage

[ionic mica]

there are way more orbs on mythic and the intermission add is also up sometimes for 3t on dragons

helps if your team hate to hit orbs for some reason

i wanted to play 2t boss killer and immediately just went big colo cleaver

[trail lichen]

Ah ok so would be like (for example) Execute-OP-Execute-Slam? But if i have enough Rage its ex-ex-slam right?

[vapid pine]

It's just a priority list my guy. Start at the top, check the conditions, and move down if they're not fulfilled, on every global. Don't think of it as a rotation or something. Don't press slam though, Mortal Strike I think you're thinking of.

[boreal quartz]

No problem sally

[spark mango]

guys, if i can play all of 4 specs of warrior well, what is the best one i can choose for m+

i started midnight today

[hushed topaz]

The one you enjoy most

[stable fiber]

if you can play all 4 specs of warrior well

id play only slayer and colossus arms

its dungeon dependant

[spark mango]

ok, this clears things abit going foward with crafting and whatnot

[stable fiber]

they have relatively similar stats

colossus likes crit a bit more and slayer likes haste a bit more

good thing they both like haste and crit

[spark mango]

i was refering to fury

[stable fiber]

ah

[spark mango]

ty, i have limited internet so couldnt research for myself, cya

[ionic mica]

A couple of crafted items with mastery or crit wouldn't be the end of the world for arms or fury anyway tbh

All makes number go up

[neon shale]

chat r servers back

[split zinc]

ye

[neon shale]

reeeeal badmon

[olive nest]

[neon shale]

work work

[trail lichen]

Ok got It thanks! Yeah i meant MS haha

[sour tinsel]

do yall do academy with colossus or slayer

[glacial plume]

I'm new to arms - can someone explain to me why Blizzard ability highlight thing tells me to spam cleave after I use Sweeping Strikes? I know you get 3 cleaves without CD after demolisher but don't you want collateral stacks before cleave??

[mild sierra]

Means u got max stacks

[soft gust]

Do we know if the 12.0.5 colossus changes are going to effect the AoE rotation? Seems like it could be possible that we can send demolish outside of CS situationally with the amount of cdr itll have

[minor gust]

The only changes would be sending demo more often

[soft gust]

Yeah ik, but it lines up with cs every time p much in AoE already. If there's enough cdr to send it between CS and then still have it again for the window, we may not need to hold it depending on cs cd

and the APL holds for the cs buff

currently

just curious if we can test the 12.0.5 changes yet

[weak rain]

All I know is that colossus=slayer for st for 12.0.5 KEKW

[minor gust]

Yeah go on ptr

[weak rain]

which is good, but the problem is that colossus sims 80k in full st

[soft gust]

are ptr changes available on raidbots?

I'd love to go play with the apl

[minor gust]

I assume you would have to use the ptr raidbots. Idk how much work you would have to input yourself that's a fishy question

[soft gust]

I'd prob just use the bis list for consistency

[sour tinsel]

ngl im pretty sure you can get 2 demolishes before cs

[stable fiber]

nah

[minor gust]

There's not much that's gonna change but send demo on CD

Either way best answer is don't worry about 12.05 you will get your answers when it comes out

[glacial plume]

How can I have max stacks 4 cleaves in a row. It literally tells me to spam 4 cleaves in a row.

[thick kelp]

no

[median crag]

i havent crafted anything yet and have a mythic wep already wtf should i craft

[thick kelp]

2 offpieces with arcanoweave lining

[median crag]

offpieces meaning non tier set?

[stable fiber]

lowest ilvl slots with arcanoweave

yes non tier pieces most likely

2nd boss of seat damage goes bonkers

this spec is just too much fun icl

[thick kelp]

[latent moss]

[minor gust]

[soft gust]

[neon shale]

Slayer?

or Colussy

[stable fiber]

colo on that boss

[neon shale]

reeeeal baadmon

[daring flicker]

No I’m not

[soft gust]

Is there a place for specifically talking about the apl? I've been trying to optimize the colossus APL, specifically for the M+ build, and found some small improvements. The larger improvement is with skyfury disabled. As far as I can tell the colossus ST apl is optimized for the ST colossus build that nobody plays rather than the M+ build

[sour tinsel]

what does APL mean

[soft gust]

Action priority list

its what the sim uses

its on the github for simulation craft

for each spec

It's what is used to determine the optimal rotation, since you can test action priority variations by simming and comparing

[sacred zodiac]

holy someone with an actual iq

[thick kelp]

yeah the arms chat and yeah the st apl is done for the raid st build with windfury. You can dm me or @fresh spire if theres something major

[soft gust]

👍

[thick kelp]

We are very open for apl feedback since we know its not perfect and sometimes steal ideas from here to check if they are gains. doing the st apl for m+ build and for without windfury makes the apl very cluttered as you start including alot of conditionals about talents known etc

But I am very intrested what you have found so far for the m+ build specifically

[soft gust]

I can dm you what I've been running

[thick kelp]

Sure

[stable fiber]

is there a point you can drop for bloodsurge as slayer arms

feel like its needed when you dont have windfury

[warm fog]

This is impossible, collosus is unplayable without a shaman 😡

[minor gust]

Bloodsurge generates fuck all in ST. You wouldn't even notice gaining any rage

[stable fiber]

yeah but even throughout the key overall

i still feel rage starved on aoe

[minor gust]

In aoe?

[stable fiber]

a bit yes

[minor gust]

Idk that almost never happens for me as slayer

Even without a shaman

[thick kelp]

Most of our talents are really locked in, i think smallest "loss" would be dropping powerful momentum

oh wait slarms lol

deep wounds ig

[stable fiber]

maybe i just got rolled in the couple dungeons i played with sd rng

[slow saddle]

Yup

[stable fiber]

it feels fine when you have sd procs

but w/o it you are starved

[slow saddle]

Also u can also use bladestorm

To gain rage

But arms needs 15% more rage

Coz then with shaman u feel comfortable

[fervent cedar]

I love when my class is dictated by rng

At least rage matters as a resource now! Great job blizzard 👍

[minor gust]

If only that were true

[slow saddle]

🤣

Does feel like arms would function better without rage

Inverted

Start at 100

We need eithrr more passive rage or a rage gain button

Hs should be like sd

Free count towards am

[minor gust]

Just rage gain on OP would go a long way.

[slow saddle]

Ikr

Its rly that simple

• easiest 2 impliment today

[nova marsh]

what if

HS generated like 10 rage

[tawdry bear]

Tbh, I don't feel rage starved that often as slayer.

[slow saddle]

Tbh

[nova marsh]

instead of spending

[slow saddle]

Am problem

But y also good

Id rather overflow at times, than this

[slow saddle]

But problem is.

Play perfect get rage starved

Should not be possiblr

And shaman should make it.comfortable

If u remove hs

Our rage actually makes sense

With battlelord ofc

And shaman

[tawdry bear]

The only time I feel rage starved is when I press slam too many times.

[slow saddle]

When u have 2

I mean

Problem is

Slam slam slam shit hs proc.. either i gamba an op// ms or i send the hs for more rage starvation

Or i waste a proc

Like hs needs 2 be free

[minor gust]

Pretty much why rage will never matter. The way it's designed will never be satisfying to manage like in the past.

[slow saddle]

I feel like in sl season 1

They hit it pretty well

Sry

Season 2

U slammed below 60 rage exe aabovr 60

And was rarely starved.

It had other flaws ofc

But the rage part was pretty good

[slow saddle]

But rage management on a heavily proc based spec

Is dumbass

[tawdry bear]

How often do you guys cast slam? Like i have a few spots where I am rage capping and I press it over overpower. I must be broken or I am playing horribly wrong.

[slow saddle]

Playing wrong

Always op if i csn vs slam

Op procs ms

No downside

[tawdry bear]

If I have 1 charge of op and I am about to rage cap. I send a slam.

[slow saddle]

I op

Coz

[reef prairie]

Pretty sure the op has more value so you can reset ms

[slow saddle]

If u slam proc hs u are in a funky spot

Button wise

[junior spruce]

is the wowhead slayer skill tree viable for m+?

[slow saddle]

Its the 1 u play

?

The slayer m+ build on wowhead

Made for m+

[tawdry bear]

Then if you are not pressing slam how do you rage starve?
I am not saying you are wrong. I just want to know.

[slow saddle]

Execute

Cleave

Hs procs

Starvation mainly is in st

But happens without shaman

In aoe since hs is free less rage issues tbh

[minor gust]

Bad + good RNG = rage starve

Nothing you can do

[slow saddle]

Yup

To many hs

Followed by 2 little ops🤣

Sitting at 80 rage

Then 2 slams and a hs into a ms

No sd procs

[tawdry bear]

I must be lucky then.

[minor gust]

It's not gonna happen often for slayer

[slow saddle]

Tbh often enuff

🤣

[split zinc]

Just played a shuffle as Arms Slayer and I will say it feels better than Col but more casino style gameplay

[nova marsh]

Whelp back to arms

[urban jasper]

Lord have mercy is colossus horrible in ST 😂😂😂 hilarious just tried it for the first time since the do over

[nova marsh]

Colo st is still the worst in the game im sure

[urban jasper]

Has to be by a mile 😂 I was legit shocked… aoe cranks though

Just double the colossal might generation of MS remove it from the sweeping strike MS that might fix it

[ornate juniper]

numbers issue really, colo getting massive buffs in .5 anyways

[balmy kindle]

colo ST is funnel , enjoying low m+ now cant wait to get more gear

[sharp wyvern]

so there are actually no slayer ST buffs

[slow saddle]

Why

We are last now

[sharp wyvern]

cause reap will be gone

[slow saddle]

Cant get lower than last

[sharp wyvern]

i mean surely they gonna sneak in some aura buffs

[slow saddle]

I mean upside of nerf is

Col st gets closer to slayer

[sharp wyvern]

afaik its ahead

[nova marsh]

Til

Rogue players are insufferable

[sharp wyvern]

took you long enough

[nova marsh]

[sharp wyvern]

rogues just have some kind of braindamage
ive never met a normal rogue player

[nova marsh]

Holy shit I thought skyhold bitched a lot

They put us to shame

[sharp wyvern]

sub rogues still dooming is funny af

[rough pewter]

april 21 will change SD Slayer will be cooked? and honestly why they change it

[wicked warren]

Have you been to peak of serenity?

Worst class discord imo

[ornate juniper]

just went to the ptr dev notes and there are only nerfs now, idk where i saw collo buffs but there are only nerfs

[nova marsh]

No because I dont like ww

[sharp wyvern]

the nerfs make colossus better in ST

[nova marsh]

And if i did itd be to give the brewmasters a piece of my mind for being trash

[minor gust]

Still time to do any tuning if needed. Also slayer ST is fine only loses about 1% due to the other changes

[ornate juniper]

ah yes slayer is competative while collo is dumpstered? lets dumpster slayer aswell :D

[slow saddle]

Why is logical

To seperate aoe and st

For easier tuning

[sharp wyvern]

except they buffed demolish CDR

[slow saddle]

Thats the thought

Yeye but demolish is st

🫢

[sharp wyvern]

sure

[nova marsh]

How much of an st gain is the cdr deno

[sharp wyvern]

idk

[minor gust]

Slayer is still ahead

[sharp wyvern]

its crazy for aoe/cleve tho

[minor gust]

Not by much tho

[slow saddle]

A lot if 2 targets

Holy dragons will get wrecked

[nova marsh]

My brother in christ thats not st

[slow saddle]

Another skewing fight

[thick kelp]

its not

[sharp wyvern]

what other slayer changes ?

they only buffed bladestorm

[thick kelp]

its like 1k dps behindd

[nova marsh]

We ain't getting any

Realese date is here its cooked

[ornate juniper]

these are all the changes i can find

[minor gust]

Slam applies deepwounds

[elfin kindle]

I saw .5 releases in 2 weeks, wont the reduced cd on col demolish be rather irrelavant since it ligns up with warbreaker right now ?

[nova marsh]

....no?

[slow saddle]

Hear me out

[nova marsh]

Also it dosent always espically on packs starting with no stacks

[slow saddle]

2 targrts

[nova marsh]

Which is just pain

[slow saddle]

U spam ms // op

[sharp wyvern]

are you telling me the 20% bladestorm buff equalizes the reap nerf in ST ?

[slow saddle]

U get 2 demos into 1 cd

[slow saddle]

No way

[elfin kindle]

Idk nearly never happens to me in 17/18s

[minor gust]

No read please slam deepwounds + BS buff

[nova marsh]

Ehhh true youre just playing a different game

[elfin kindle]

But ye ull be able to get 2 demos, i already can now sometimes

[sharp wyvern]

@slow saddle im refering to this

im not gonna pretend i know what im talking about

[slow saddle]

I mean if its "only" 1%

I doubt it

[minor gust]

Slayer ain't losing much with the loss of reap with the other changes

[sharp wyvern]

what other changes

[slow saddle]

As reap is what 6-8% st

[sharp wyvern]

did i miss something that buffed slayer ?

[wicked warren]

Btw, the "opener" part on wowhead says I should keep my combat pot for execute phase (in st). Is it still true if there's lust on pull?

[thick kelp]

also we r getting tuning for .5 still

so dont worry

[ornate juniper]

huh? slam isnt gonna apply deep wounds what

[thick kelp]

it will

in .5

[ornate juniper]

mortal wounds and deep wounds not the same

[minor gust]

Holy

Not this again

[icy mulch]

It's losing that dopamine hit of getting SD procs.

[thick kelp]

its the same

debuff

so shrugs

[minor gust]

SD still procs in aoe which is what matters

[ornate juniper]

oh the talent is called mortal wounds

nvm

[minor gust]

ST spin is whatever

[icy mulch]

Yeah, did they say anything about improving the ST loss?

[minor gust]

There's not much of a loss

Like 1% currently

[sharp wyvern]

pls tell me how

[minor gust]

I've said twice to you now lmao

Go scroll up and read

[sharp wyvern]

you said the other changes

i asked what changes and you didnt tell me

[minor gust]

Scroll up and read man I've already typed them

[sharp wyvern]

those slam wounds must be crazy

[vast helm]

no more cleave wounds?

[minor gust]

No only MS and slam

[native mantle]

Any logic to why text to voice wount work on Blizzards built in cd manager, but all other sounds works?

[vast helm]

big nerfed for M+ ?

[minor gust]

Fishy hasn't shared any aoe Sims yet just ST

Will be a nerf but prob not big due to BS buffs and demo buffs

Slam wounds + BS buffs help fill the gap for loss of reap in ST

[dim basalt]

Do you know how much col is gaining in ST? Im guessing like 3%

[minor gust]

Idk the % gain on top of my head but Colo only like 1k behind slayer now from what Walhe has said

[dim basalt]

Then it kinda checks out ye

[odd ledge]

@minor gust so tldr is we slayer enjoyer gentlemen are fine?

[thick kelp]

yall are fucking dead

[odd ledge]

frick u colossal douchebag!

[kind stag]

dead slayer warrior? sounds like a dk to me

[minor gust]

Hard to say rn. Will require testing when it comes out

[odd ledge]

[rough pewter]

any still play colossus on m+ rn?

[kind stag]

im sure many

ill keep gaming slayer its way more chill

[odd ledge]

masochists basically

[daring prairie]

Every time i play colo in keys to get some practice in for paladins i feel like im either activly griefing or activly commiting warcrimes

[dire hinge]

hahah

[kind stag]

because colo depends alot on your tank and pulls imo

[dire hinge]

yeah both are strong and viable in keys

[kind stag]

way more variables and things to watch for

[nova marsh]

Griefing on bosses, warcrimes on the mobs

[kind stag]

slayer is just "send it whatever man"

[nova marsh]

If I drop my stacks I am gonna to stab the tank

Or blizzard

[daring prairie]

Depends on tank hitting 2 prio targets by itself is blegh

atleast with thane i just furiously mash my E key

1 target or 20

[kind stag]

colossus is not low cortisol gaming

[daring prairie]

yeah and if u die re ramping up suuucks

• the huge ass walk of shame

[kind stag]

if you accidentaly mess up cds its also kinda wack

things just spiral out of control

[daring prairie]

yeaaaah

[outer lion]

dont mess up 4head

[daring prairie]

true

[kind stag]

slayer meanwhile "just cs on cd and bladestorm with all cds up ezzzzzzz"

reap the storm goes brrrrrrrr

[daring prairie]

Colosus feels like there was 3 diffrent specs all superglued togethor

[hearty marlin]

is arms worse in lower keys like 10s? i feel like all the packs die way to fast for me to get my damage going

[daring prairie]

and certain mob/situations disctates what specs in controll

[kind stag]

colossus suffers from ravager, rend and general arms jank

[daring prairie]

Slayer feels like 2 classes

I cant believe we brought rend from sod back

[kind stag]

idk its all the same to me at least

[daring prairie]

can we please kill it off, we killed off heroic strikje for 12 years we can kill off rend

then we can bring it back 12 years later as this new cool idea thats a proc that makes ur bleeds deal 15% more damage

[kind stag]

no because 5 dudes on forums who love classic warrior cant let go

[daring prairie]

Rend sucked in classic 2 so did tclap they can eat my butt

Ms cleave and cds babeee

[kind stag]

some fellas are convinced arms is peak design atm or something

[daring prairie]

Big stick=big boom

[kind stag]

2 of my friends tried arms and called it an abomination

[dim basalt]

At least theres no one in this chat who calls it peak

[daring prairie]

Its peak if u only hear about it, actually playing it feels like i need to grow a third brain cell to use it

[kind stag]

note that one of them plays rogue which is a class left in a freezer by blizz

[minor gust]

Peak dogshit

[nova marsh]

Dying is a skill issue

[dim basalt]

Nah TWW was worse

[daring prairie]

Jokes on u im great at it

[dim basalt]

I will never miss jugg

[nova marsh]

I have hated jugg since legion

It can rest in piss

[kind stag]

we just talked about this in fury chat but i think ppl gotta accept that old warrior aint a thing for modern retail wow anymore

we gotta move on

because im convinced blizzard doesnt know how to balance the class anymore because of it

[dim basalt]

wdym "accept"

[nova marsh]

Eh

[daring prairie]

i think it can work but people arnt ready to play 3 butten simulator

[nova marsh]

If youre warrior for years you just deal with it

[kind stag]

fury already is 3 buttons

[daring prairie]

Current thane fury is very close to a classic spec

[dim basalt]

And Fury is fine?

[daring prairie]

only change would be giving every ability 3 more seconds of cds

[kind stag]

fury has its issues but its miles better designed than arms

[daring prairie]

and ud legit have a classic spec

[kind stag]

fury has no rage issues and flows way better it feels like a raging zerker just mashing

[nova marsh]

Name a spec designed worse then us

[kind stag]

ive heard outlaw is still turbo ass

[dim basalt]

Feral is a contender ngl

[kind stag]

i thought feral plays well now?

[dim basalt]

nah

[daring prairie]

It plays well the same way arms does

[nova marsh]

Outlaw is....about as bad as arms imo

[daring prairie]

by everyone who dosent play it

[dim basalt]

Feral does decent dps but plays like ass

[kind stag]

i know they removed snapshotting though

no class has it anymore now right?

[dim basalt]

Not entirely but almost

Which actually was a downgrade

[daring prairie]

Could give us the wod treatment, ms gives rage rather then takes

It prooobably wouldent fix anything

[kind stag]

give a passive for arms that auto activtes so you get skyfury basically

thats like 30% of problem solved

[nova marsh]

Na fuck that

[kind stag]

remove rend, removed ravager and replace ravager with Spear, give spear the cleave buff when you use it

[nova marsh]

just rework our rage entirely

[kind stag]

or that

[dim basalt]

Spear is a horrible ability

[kind stag]

because havoc DH plays better warrior than warrior

[nova marsh]

Does havoc still have forced mobility or is that finally fully dead

[kind stag]

its better than ravager and atm has no use, it yanking enemies into it would actually work well with cleave

[kind stag]

still forced

[nova marsh]

-Then it's not...wait

we do too

[dim basalt]

Arms needs debloating

[nova marsh]

Tf am I on about

[kind stag]

that 2

[nova marsh]

The fact we are saying this

[dim basalt]

And giving Spear the buff of Rav does nothing

Legit nothing

[nova marsh]

in the expansion that was all about debloating blows my mind

[dim basalt]

If anything it makes things way worse

[minor gust]

Rage as a cooldown similar to dev DH but not about keeping it active as long as possible. Just a simple build drain

[nova marsh]

I'm still a madman who'd love to see a "heat" style system for arms

[kind stag]

it gives a dead ability a reason to use it, and removes ravager which is giga outdated

[nova marsh]

even though I know most people would hate that

[minor gust]

Get that feeling of controlled combat and rage the tactician

[dim basalt]

I wanna see what you give up in order to take Spear

[nova marsh]

Ye that's why

[elder path]

Nah that’s actually kinda sick

[dim basalt]

And forced cc on a dps cd is giga meme

[kind stag]

replace ravager node, so its bladestorm or spear

[nova marsh]

I've heard people hate the idea

[elder path]

Never rlly thought about it

[dire hinge]

just heroic leap

[nova marsh]

it'd be similiar to GW2 holosmith or the uhh

Bounty hunter from SWOTOR

[reef prairie]

Man fuck spear

[dim basalt]

[elder path]

Yes people don’t like being punished for being bad or change at all

[kind stag]

gw2 warrior is peak warrior

[reef prairie]

Make that shit a pvp talent

[kind stag]

i mained it for so long

[nova marsh]

Wish I could say that

Fuck beserker

[kind stag]

berserker warrior from gw2 is 200% finest warrior in MMORPGs

go crazy mode

primal bursts rock

[nova marsh]

and then

you drop your enrage state

and the rotation dies

[kind stag]

yeah

its thematic kinda no

[nova marsh]

Yes

[kind stag]

you go crazy anger mode

[nova marsh]

But it feels horrible

[kind stag]

then you cool off

then go again

[nova marsh]

The problem is it's techincally possible to have 100% uptime on it

[kind stag]

ofc

[nova marsh]

assuming perfect play and uptime

[kind stag]

it wasnt that hard man

[nova marsh]

Idk I just didn't like it

[kind stag]

utility would reset it you could almost loop it all the time

[nova marsh]

Then again I don't like hard fail states

[kind stag]

not to mention with the weapon skills and the sound it had the OOMPH

[nova marsh]

To me it felt like loosing enrage for 20 seconds on fury pre-powerful

[kind stag]

anyways we can agree

arms is nice and all but jank as fuck and needs a rework

like complete

[nova marsh]

Idk maybe I didn't play GW2 warr enough

yes

Absoutlely agree

[kind stag]

arms mastery is funny af

[nova marsh]

I think some of the ideas like how demolish is, setting up big hits with CS and a massive damage bonus on it to just dump your CDs into is a good idea imo

[kind stag]

like the biggest "idk no idea what to do" thing blizzard made as mastery

[dim basalt]

Arms mastery is like every other mastery in the game

besides ele

and ww

[nova marsh]

And maybe enhance but

The value on resets is too low to say really

[dim basalt]

Well technically even ww mastery is the same

[nova marsh]

Eh yeah but like

[kind stag]

ive heard WW is fun af to play now

[nova marsh]

WW mastery is literally a core mech of their spec

All you're doing by stacking it is buffing said core mech

[reef prairie]

ww is pretty similar to tww tbh

So if you enjoyed that its fun

[nova marsh]

last time I played WW was DF pre patch

[vast helm]

opp strike back when?

[dim basalt]

WW is aight

There are better specs but also worse specs in terms of fun

[jagged shuttle]

Guys im at paladins mm, as arms, I usually play fury, anyone can give me some advice when there are 2 targets, when should i use cleave or execute in 2 targets? if mortal stike and overpower is on CD?

[nova marsh]

Exe follows same rules ST does

Cleave is just whenever you have full Collatral stacks or as a filler replacing slam (or OP I believe) below 35% if you run mass execution

[obtuse sluice]

You use cleave on 2 targets?

[dire hinge]

1 target = Single target rotation
2 target = Single target rotation + sweeping strikes buff maintained
3 target = AoE rotation (dont change to execute rotation, just keep AoEing tbh)

[obtuse sluice]

Yeah cleave is def +3 targets

[nova marsh]

I mean we use cleave in ST too with rava

[dire hinge]

yeah only during ravager

[minor gust]

You will still press cleave in 2T with collat stacks

[dire hinge]

technically you flipflop MS/HS in 1 target vs 2 target, but that's tomato/potato

[dire hinge]

for sure, at 3 Collat stacks it takes precedence over overpower, that's part of the single target rotation

[minor gust]

Was just making sure the fury player knew cleave is part of ST and 2T still

[nova marsh]

Guys dumb question

are rogue mains just League players

[dire hinge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nova marsh]

The world may never know

[jagged shuttle]

Trying my best to fit in

[nova marsh]

Also delete cleave

(It's damage not the button plz)

[minor gust]

You would be very based in just saying fuck it and playing fury anyways on paladins

[kind stag]

Based

[reef prairie]

Thats pretty grief for 0

[minor gust]

If you are progging paladins this late into the tier right now wouldn't be grief because at this point dmg doesn't matter just live and do the mechanics

[odd ledge]

no heat

heat ruined my fav fighting game

none of that shit pls

[kind stag]

Tekken player spotted

My man

[boreal remnant]

you press fof

that's about it

[kind stag]

Based

[boreal remnant]

does insane damage on belo egg tho

[reef prairie]

Its not even that late into the tier and it seems like the dps still matters to a lot of guilds tbh

[dire hinge]

just kill the boss

[kind stag]

Just dont stand in aoe and do dmg

[reef prairie]

I mean the strat everyone does relies on you killing the ret before the 4th sentence or whichever it is and then killing the other 2 before they nuke you

I dont think its completely trivial yet, especially if your comp isnt amazing

[kind stag]

Dont bring warriors except tank and you good

[reef prairie]

Thats the 1 fight where warrior actually owns

Specifically of the arms variant

[rapid robin]

How are you guys tracking sudden death procs these days?

[dire hinge]

it shows up as a stack directly on Execute itself.
There's a few addons that let you attach sound files to buffs, so i just have it make a kaching sound at me whenever its available. Im using one called ProcGlows atm, but there's a few around.

[minor gust]

Love seeing paladins logs and the fury players barely doing anymore dmg on arms than if they just stuck with fury. Which is why it doesn't really matter

[burnt swallow]

Sorryu just going through my talents - in m+ why dont we talent thunderclap for mass rend?

[dire hinge]

Rend itself is AoE baseline now 😉

[mortal crag]

went first time arms into myth raid

vorasius

no shaman buff

die on last 5s cuz everyone sends full melee to ignore mechanics and kill

still get like a 75 log

my death made me go from like 93k to 88k

so.. would of been an even higher log

[dire hinge]

real

[mortal crag]

and if u add sham buff

which is what, 9%?

yeah..

sent full ST too

[dire hinge]

that's basically 103% parse at that point

[mortal crag]

yessir

and our 279 dev dh goes "ah nice but theres no arms players"

meanwhile he died twice

🙂

[burnt swallow]

thanks - not sure how i missed that for most of the expansion

[dire hinge]

no worries! Expansions have a LOT of changes, it's normal!

good eye catching that Clap wasn't taken

[robust coyote]

on mythic vorasius are arms warriors just ignoring the adds and focusing the boss?

[dire hinge]

No, you can time your bladestorm and stuff around their spawns

[robust coyote]

I think I'm just going to full send into arms and recraft my bracers and weapon to crit/haste

fury is making my wrist hurt and I don't like what they are currently planning for fury in 12.0.5

[dire hinge]

for example:

Some folks send early, but most are blasting the adds as soon as they appear

[robust coyote]

realistically you should be able to get it back if it's not until 1m

[dire hinge]

sourced from here:
https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/warrior-arms/vorasius

You can enable/disable different boss mechanics or warrior spells to see how logs line up

[robust coyote]

wow that's pretty handy thank you

[minor gust]

Also just really depends on your raid.

[dire hinge]

it's not the best for all fights, especially ones where phases are Health-based, but it's nice for things like Vorasius

[minor gust]

I'm allowed to just fully sit boss and not care

So thats what I do

[robust coyote]

I asked the raid leader last night if that's what they wanted and they said yes, then our rogue piped up and said he was planning to do that now they want me back on adds

[carmine flower]

shld i use solar flare + heart in raid or puzzlebox + heart?

[minor gust]

Then go hit some adds not a big deal. Your CS will be on CD just save BS for it splurge on adds for a lil with sweeping and then when CS is off cd or adds dead just go back onto boss

[nova marsh]

4pc is so close I can taste it

Also massive gamer hours for garbage gear

+10 terrace

<@&257983573498265600>

danke

[minor gust]

I miss the free gift cards

[smoky kayak]

fuck your +10 terrace

[minor gust]

It's all porn bots lately

[smoky kayak]

deleting your messages rn

[nova marsh]

DAmn

[nova marsh]

yeah so cringe

[olive nest]

End times April 21st

[kind stag]

[tropic tiger]

12.0.5

[gaunt owl]

Warrior still shit dont worry

[kind stag]

its not like warrior is good right now either

[olive nest]

PAW SPOTTED @hard cobalt

[kind stag]

except prot i guess

[gaunt owl]

we even got a second Xan @olive nest

[kind stag]

3rd

but both are fake im the real one

[olive nest]

Yeah but it ain’t Xan57

[nova marsh]

Prove it

[olive nest]

[gaunt owl]

the 2nd mythosis achieved

[kind stag]

dm me and youll get your proof

[mortal crag]

question

[gaunt owl]

can you Xan me up plz

[mortal crag]

played saladbar rn

and our rl told us (literally whispered me)

to full go adds when they spawn

[olive nest]

Sweep EP off big orb ez

[mortal crag]

our tanks kinda move around recklessly and i feel like i lose uptime/lots of dam

[gaunt owl]

why do everybody got 57 in their name now

[mortal crag]

we killed

i got a really fucking bad log

but i mean

dont arms just sit on boss there?

[kind stag]

its warrior version of 6 7

[minor gust]

Arms is fine. It's fury that's uh GG

[olive nest]

Idk for sure I think Xan put it there on April fools lol

[mortal crag]

im spending gcds to charge and shit

[mortal crag]

EP?

[naive sage]

Please could you remember me how much cs's cooldown is reduced by anger management on average?

[mortal crag]

u have cs every like 25-30s i think

[gaunt owl]

5-7 maybe

[olive nest]

Ooo he got you too

[thick kelp]

yeah you sit boss and sweep orbs

[naive sage]

6-7

[mortal crag]

so if the orbs dont reach boss

[thick kelp]

mouse over executes from orbs

[mortal crag]

cuz he forces us to go orbs

so they die early/far

then i cant log

right?

[thick kelp]

yeah

[mortal crag]

he literally whispers me

"go orbs i shouldnt have to whisper u"

[minor gust]

Gg

[thick kelp]

yeah

[mortal crag]

i didnt reply, just went orbs to get kill and thats it

[thick kelp]

kinda sick in the head to whisper the arms warrior this

[olive nest]

Whisper him back
“lol noober arms owns”

And stay on boss

[minor gust]

You are cooked if your tanks don't move boss slow with orbs so melee can hit both

[thick kelp]

when your warlocks / devourers can solo the mlol

[mortal crag]

i mean i went arms cuz i wannap ractice it

and i actually enjoy arms this tier

might reroll fully

but i felt liek its imposs to actually do anything

meanwhile vorasius i logged 74 with no shaman buff + dying last 5s

[kind stag]

melee is bad this tier

[mortal crag]

so id probs do close to 100k

[kind stag]

its what it is

maybe next tier guys

[mortal crag]

idc about bad or good

[olive nest]

Full commit arms for when you get to the first wall boss “paladins”

[mortal crag]

i just care about the fact that i enjoy it but getting whispered from ur RL to do the opposite of ur job

[kind stag]

play ranged or suffer

[mortal crag]

is insane

[kind stag]

tell your RL hes bebarded

[mortal crag]

yeah ik

but i probs wont be there

ill be benched/kicked immediately lol

(we have a 279 devourer dh gray logging btw)

ah nvm he purple logged this one good on him

[olive nest]

They are insane if they don’t play an arms warrior on their roster

[minor gust]

Tell your RL to whisper the tanks instead and have them to a better job moving the boss

[gaunt owl]

full tetarded

[gaunt owl]

problem is people with main character syndrome

[minor gust]

I had to whip my tanks to do a better job moving

So I can hit orbs

[thick kelp]

lol

[mortal crag]

he literally spent the first 5mins of raid today glazing the tanks and saying theyre the best tanks theyve had so far and hes happy theyre there

(theyre awful)

[minor gust]

[gaunt owl]

you always have to they are good at tanking anything or break anyway

[thick kelp]

whys ur guy playing destro anyway

[mortal crag]

cuz hes fucking demented

hes an officer btw

[gaunt owl]

privilege

[mortal crag]

and he always has an opinion (its bad)

[thick kelp]

no suprises

[kind stag]

yeah baby

[kind stag]

this season healers im genuinely convinced healers are all brain afk this season

they just go afk mid pull

[olive nest]

Officer privilege smh my head

[mortal crag]

its my private log btw

red ones are officers/nepo babies

279 is raidlead

eta gg

[quiet bramble]

da hell is nepo babies

[mortal crag]

they get spoonfed gear

[magic canopy]

@reef glade where is my necklase smish

[thick kelp]

man

[quiet bramble]

oh shit

[thick kelp]

they have all the gear

but cant hit adds

omE

[mortal crag]

both of our 279 dks btw

[magic canopy]

also i get to do sale with you friday yippie

[mortal crag]

were off for this one

[thick kelp]

ah yes lets bench one of the top boss dam specs

[mortal crag]

we did vorasius with no shaman buff btw

[gaunt owl]

Trump is a nepo baby

[mortal crag]

theyre both core raiders btw

[thick kelp]

xdd

[mortal crag]

im dipping as soon as tier ends/my mental breaks

[gaunt owl]

everybody got an opinion and an butthole too.

[mortal crag]

ive been there since uhhh

late tww

reclears etc

still dont have access to private logs

i have to private log myself to see it

[gaunt owl]

wtf

jump ship captain

[mortal crag]

yeah but

i just want a decent wr 2day

in europe

that fits my schedule

80% of them dont need warr

so

[gaunt owl]

not many of those

[mortal crag]

yep

and i kinda cba switching for the like

1000th million time

thats better

:)

that wasnt a prog kill btw

ours

was a reclear

😄

[thick kelp]

: D

[mortal crag]

5 wipes

on 3rd boss reclear

😄

tanks wiped us twice

[kind stag]

tanks are wiping my beloren pulls on hc

but its always our fault somehow

"omg dps go to aoes" meanwhile tanks fukin up cleave colors

[mortal crag]

xd

[minor gust]

I got beaten by a filthy Dev evoker who padded on the small orbs while I did fuck all to then

[thick kelp]

The r1 salhadaar is disgusting

i wonder who that could be

[olive nest]

[thick kelp]

hmmge

balls next to the boss since the beginning of the fight

[halcyon valve]

touch the balls

[minor gust]

Hit da balls do dmg

[dire hinge]

is this when balls get removed from WCL

[minor gust]

Our new Dev evoker is the only one giving me a run for my money

He kept stealing my orb dmg on dragons too

[reef glade]

what

this isnt even a lot no

ur supposed to do like 50% of your dmg to adds

thats like the single most ethical warrior ive ever seen

unless arms different maybe

[reef glade]

...

knew it would happen..

guildy's alt..

[smoky kayak]

gotta start refusing to run with people who can't trade lol

[minor gust]

My gear luck this season was disgusting good. Didn't need to target farm a single item

I just got it while playing the game

[hard cobalt]

holy shit you’re not dead??

[nova marsh]

I can't target farm

Not when no invites

[minor gust]

Shouldn't have left warrior

[thick kelp]

hes sweeping adds every second of the fight

cuz his team isnt mongoing them

and then blows all bladestorms into a pack of smallies

[nova marsh]

My return

Shall be glorious

Even if I am late and committed heresy

[magic canopy]

https://giphy.com/gifs/wow-shock-huh-YsGclK1n6SmcwSuRho

[reef glade]

what the hell is that

[minor gust]

Irl Madox swordish and Gio

[reef glade]

yes

[olive nest]

🤣 🤣

[misty yew]

My plater is bugging out, can't change any settings on it

[gaunt owl]

never dying before the world end

[hard cobalt]

solid plan

[hollow quail]

Arms guides confuse me with the single target prio and the execute prio while playing collosus specifically with m+ talents

Single target prio puts execute with sd below mortal strike and heroic strike

But execute prio puts execute with sd above heroic strike and mortal strike

And we don't take deep wounds so we never press it outside of sd

Any clarifiers

[finite ginkgo]

man slyer arms gets owned in 12.0.5 right?

[last saddle]

yes

no more reap the 57

[floral tide]

Does anyone have a fancy plater that might make seeing those conditions easier?

[finite ginkgo]

wtf we supposed to play ww spam fury?

[last saddle]

no

[vapid raptor]

As a fury warr main, i tried arms cause of the hype in m+ and my god im awful at the generally basic ass rotation 🤣🤣

[last saddle]

it takes a few keys to adjust

to not sending everything immediately

[slow saddle]

No rotation

Prio

[finite ginkgo]

what do you think will be best spec for keys?

[minor gust]

Execute prio refers to when a mob is in execute range aka sub 35% or sub 20% with no massacre talented

[last saddle]

unholy

[finite ginkgo]

lol

[last saddle]

coloarms will still be playable just need tank to pull adds into fights

[hollow quail]

Correct but execute sd can trigger above the threshold so we can press it outside of that %

Why would execute with sd not hold same prio in both rotations

[last saddle]

because it does more dam

[hollow quail]

I thought it only scaled damage based on rage spent which is 40 with sd, not based on current hp of target

[nova marsh]

Still retired thou?

[gaunt owl]

yes dont think gaming WoW is worth it

[nova marsh]

Fair fair

[dire hinge]

Ppaww saw cleave being used in single target and logged off

[nova marsh]

Enjoy it

[vapid raptor]

U use cleave during collosal smash no? Sry new to arms

For st that is

[nova marsh]

No ravager

[vapid raptor]

Thats right my b

[dire hinge]

Ravager is just a cleave buff disguised as a spell

[vapid raptor]

Tht explains my subpar dps as arms lol doing legit double the dps playing fury lmao im so bad at it

[nova marsh]

I mean

Are you comparing colo st?

If so....dont. its just actually that bad

[vapid raptor]

No just in general, even where arms should be doing better im doing much better on fury….im butchering the rotation/priorities 100%

Been playing fury for like 5 yrs im very comfortable with the rotation etc. over arms but wanted to finally try out arms

[nova marsh]

Learning both is goos

I have to stop being lazy and set up my fury bars so I can play it

[carmine iris]

do we have to spell reflec spreadsheet somewhere for m+ this tier?

[minor gust]

Because there's other factors. Things change in execute priority mainly due to rage. SD doesn't have a rage cost

[north sedge]

best slayer talents for keys?

[brisk shuttle]

Is it possible to track Heroic Strike on Cooldown manager??

[native leaf]

how much dps do we think colossus arms is losing going from live to 0.5 patch? crushing combo, practiced strikes nerf and cleave not applying deep wounds seems pretty impactful

[nova marsh]

Yes but we're getting more demolish cdr

[minor gust]

All subject to change from now until launch. I wouldn't worry about the numbers right now

[hollow quail]

That does make sense, when it comes to the m+ build however we do not talent into deep wounds. So do we ignore the execute priority entirely since only press execute with sd?

[minor gust]

For the most part yes

[native leaf]

we would usually want to line up demolish with colossus smash anyway right? in aoe i guess demolish would be up way soon compared to colossus smash but in single target it should line up fine compared to what it is on live

[nova marsh]

I mean im playing without 4pc

But st demolish feels very shit

In terms of alignment.

[vast helm]

we have BS buffs on 12.0.5?

[native leaf]

yeah thats what i meant, in st after the changes demolish should line up with colossus smash. but in aoe u are holding demolish for colossus smash

[nova marsh]

Ye but st is way way way more important for colo changes

Colo already has all the aoe in the world

It dosent need more eggs in that basket

[thick kelp]

in .5 if you have 2 targets your demolish CD is around 15 seconds

you are NOT holding that shit for anything

[dim basalt]

15 seconds lmao

[nova marsh]

Ooo

[minor gust]

^^

[nova marsh]

I assume its a bit more shit for st

[native leaf]

yea i assume sending demolish on cd would be the play

[thick kelp]

St is around 30 ish seconds

[nova marsh]

So basically more aligbment with cs

And just more aoe

Honestly think its better that way

[reef glade]

@magic canopy w

[magic canopy]

are you spamming 6s or something

[reef glade]

i did a few

[last saddle]

im farming those rings sored

🙁

its tough work

[reef glade]

yea at least ive had these for a while

but truth nuke

[last saddle]

have gotten 4 necklaces and like 12 cloaks

[reef glade]

socketed belt also pretty good ups that i could cata

wish i didnt cata first dragons piece but w/e

[last saddle]

theres so much cloaks from saron + nexus penis

[reef glade]

only thing im really missing is a better cape and gloves

[last saddle]

my gloves are myth tier its sadge

voidclaw dream is gone

[reef glade]

yea i have voidclaw but they just not doing anything for arms

need windrunner crithaste gloves

[thick kelp]

how many demolish casts do u think arms sends in a 1min 0.5 sim

[reef glade]

have critverse cape so thats not as bad, but would rather crithaste from magister

[last saddle]

yea i crafted cape like a boss

[nova marsh]

For st?

Id assume like...4?

[thick kelp]

5t

[nova marsh]

Oh

Yeah like 4-5

[thick kelp]

for st the number 2

aoe is 4

[last saddle]

i change my name

[thick kelp]

in 1min sim

holy

[minor gust]

4 demolishes a minute holy

[hexed saddle]

im assuming its possible to fit 2 demos in 1 cs with lust

with 0.5

[daring prairie]

Time to farm crit Jewlery i guess :c

[hexed saddle]

its like pretty close as is

[reef glade]

o is there new consumable tab in sims

naise

[sand ruin]

guys sorry to ask I'm out of loop. is arms good/alright now?

[hushed topaz]

It’s the best spec

[reef glade]

really good in aoe and likely better than fury on most of the later raid bosses

[hushed topaz]

None better

[reef glade]

its about to get buffed more and fury gonna get nerfed

*currently

might be more tuning to shift that around

but stonks going up quite high

its just kinda shit for the first like 4 raid bosses i think mostly

[minor gust]

I find it highly unlikely thane doesn't get tuning after what they did to it

[reef glade]

yea i mean it certainly has to get somethin

but like even still colossus looks like its going to actually destroy

with the cdr

losing 1 free cleave off cs is maybe a slight hit to em

but tbh its probably fine

[minor gust]

Yeah the cleave is nothing

[reef glade]

if anything makes me feel better on paladins if my tanks rip apart the 3stack bosses early

only miss 3 cleaves instead of 4

[minor gust]

[sand ruin]

thanks

[minor gust]

We start paladins sunday

[robust idol]

I have a question regarding Reap the Storm. The notes says it will increase to 20% chance, but isnt it already 20%?

[minor gust]

That was them reverting a previous ptr change nerfing it to 15%

[toxic surge]

Is the amazing plan to turn Reap the Storm in AoE-only still in place for 12.0.5?

[reef glade]

yes

[toxic surge]

Jesus...

[tawdry bear]

I was about to ask our feelings on arms

In 12.5

[reef glade]

its fine if they like... actually give some st back to us

which i mean maybe they probably will

hopefully

[toxic surge]

Hopefully Death Drive won't be a dead talent

[reef glade]

isnt that just the healing one

or am i thinkin of sum else

[toxic surge]

it is... the miniature healing placeholder

at least the last time I played it a long while ago

[magic canopy]

'+6 strat

works

[reef glade]

yes

[toxic surge]

they could probably bring back Death Sentence instead of it

[reef glade]

w

need windrunner gloves bad

apparently i have so much crit now tho it wants me to go back to ring 2set

vs the pit crit/haste ring lol

which i mean w i guess

do i even need the 130 rage cap talent as arms...

that like never happens to any reasonable degree right

that it matters

ima try key without it

so soon til greatness

[magic canopy]

it might for slayer but

[reef glade]

haste maybe a little low

[magic canopy]

collo wants so much crit

[reef glade]

in a windrunner with 3 other platies and none can trade 259 gloves..

and one of the 3 is wearing a 165...

[thick kelp]

goat

[reef glade]

w comms

[dark ledge]

Where are they going

[thick kelp]

around the corner

[reef glade]

yknow for being like 230 ilvl prolly this rets kinda owning

[dark ledge]

Win my favor

[smoky kayak]

I don't run it in keys

it's a lil more relevant for Slayer since your rage can spike during Bladestorm, but even then I don't find it has a very large impact - while I may rage cap for a second, I rarely ever rage starve afterwards

[reef glade]

yea

wonder if thats also just same play on paladins

[smoky kayak]

this is what I run in M+ (usually without shaman buff), though you can swap IntShout/PHowl as desired

[reef glade]

think would much rather have the speed

yea

[smoky kayak]

you should be able to get both on paladins, cause you don't need storm bolt/shockwave

I don't think Rage adds much, but nothing else to take really; second wind doesn't really do jack

[reef glade]

oyea

think just been playin the same 1 colossus build in raid and m+

[smoky kayak]

I do that w/ Thane a lot lol

this was my rage on paladins last night; it spends a decent amount of time above 100, but never really drops low either

[boreal bay]

So I've been happy playing arms but now with 12.0.5 coming in a couple of weeks, are those changes dropping us back to the pit of F tier?

[smoky kayak]

so if you really want second wind or something, you could prob drop Rage and be perfectly fine

[smoky kayak]

changes are good for Colossus, slightly bad for Slayer
terrible for both versions of Fury

[umbral badger]

man trying osme slayer arms in m+ makes me feel they can delete colossus and no one would feel a thing xd

[reef glade]

feel like somethings buggin here

[umbral badger]

slayer is just so much better for all content in some sense

[reef glade]

and i should ahve more than those 5 things giving me rage

[smoky kayak]

but we haven't seen final notes yet, so I'd wait before making the 13th loop

[reef glade]

but only 2 times it ever dips a bit low