arms

[reef glade]

eh like a spriest won it or something

i shouldve just made up a note

but wanted to be ethical

man thats actually rly feelsbad

missed out on op neck

[thick kelp]

vorasius ring is OP too

[latent moss]

lowk the move

fuck the robot

[safe island]

i think the biggest reason is that i’m using a fury setup. also, my fury warrior has a mythic weapon right now, while my arms is using a crafted weapon

[reef glade]

eh my rings are alright

[latent moss]

its telling me to equip the haste mastery nexus ring to complete 2set

[thick kelp]

I got myffic vorasius + mythic wedding ring

[latent moss]

and then i randomly deal less damage

[thick kelp]

need to send some crests into them tho

[reef glade]

i mean 2set good on st

but fuckin worthless on aoe

[latent moss]

idk i do less damage on both

[reef glade]

as most dmg procs are

wack

[latent moss]

low sample size but fuck it

[reef glade]

fr

[latent moss]

i want more crit

[reef glade]

cdr feelcraft

need more demo cdr

[latent moss]

soon...

[reef glade]

crit value boutta 📈

more than already does

[latent moss]

slayer is a crit fiend too which is surprising

[thick kelp]

Fierce followthru effect

[alpine jungle]

Hey guys. Does someone have an addon to track the stacks of sweeping strikes ?

[safe island]

my stats are too fury focused, so even colo arms aoe is losing to thane fury aoe

[slow saddle]

it allready is tracked

in cdm

[safe island]

damn

[late lantern]

I think he means something that warns when its not up

[slow saddle]

i mean

either that or count

1 -2 -3 -4 -5 -6 -7 -8 -9 -10-11-12 GO Sweep

[late lantern]

I noticed ive become to WA dependant by not getting a notification and need to track my self

And missing it sometimes

But ive only played arms for 2 keys so far

[untold pewter]

Huh

But you CAN track

[magic canopy]

im so mad man

i just need 800 gorillion crit for paladins

[vapid pine]

You can have CDM add a sound when you lose all your stacks though, without addons

[magic canopy]

i have CDM sounds for losing all stacks of Sweeping and rend pandemic windows

they are v nice

[late lantern]

Yes but i have to use a bit of brain instead of big pop up, "no Sweeping Strikes" zug zug

[late lantern]

Oehh didnt think of that

[reef glade]

i at least have good rings

but like 4 pieces 0 cri

t

• a 200 haste necklace

sadgers

[magic canopy]

ive got the renown neck and 2 crit rings

so it feels better

[strong pine]

I still need to swap out alot
I got. Sets for
Fury
Arma
Prot
Feels weird having all 3 sets needing diff stats 😂

[magic canopy]

prot can do crit haste just fine

[reef glade]

arms and prot are like identical stats no

[magic canopy]

only issue is fury/arms

[strong pine]

Im at like 35%ish crit unbuffed with potion 39ish? Is that enough or do i want more

[magic canopy]

but fury likes crit this time around so its not as bad

[strong pine]

My prot has a bit more haste than crit so not much diff to my arms set thats true

[reef glade]

idk sounds good

im at like 30% crit with haste necklace lol

[strong pine]

% wise i got no clue where im supposed to be 😂

I got PIT neck

[reef glade]

just sim stuff

rodent

i want that

[strong pine]

Didnt get salhadin neck sadly

[reef glade]

yea im so sad i gave that up

might notve even won it

[strong pine]

I legit feel like sim is BS sometimes....
Salhadar yesterday for example
We had 1 wipe unfortenately due to tank DC 😂
Where i did lowish 80k on fury
Than i swapped in a more mastery ring which supposedly did like 0.5% less dmg due to the nexus rings set boni
But i did 87k at the end

[reef glade]

but timed out on it o7

[strong pine]

I dunno i dont trust sim much 🫠

[reef glade]

i mean salhadaar completely depends on tank movement

assuming u mean mythic

if heroic then it doesnt

but 80k kinda low for mythic

so maybe not

[lucid hare]

Guys im going from fury to Arms, for m+ is colloss of slayer better atm?

[reef glade]

colossus probably

[lucid hare]

Allright thank you

[reef glade]

may need to do some heavy restatting tho arms does not want 1000 mastery like fury does

[lucid hare]

And for raid its slayer?

[strong pine]

No padding pure ST when i MT in myth im around 110kish

[reef glade]

sure tho arms in raid kinda cluegi

yea that sounds right

[lucid hare]

Okay thanks

[strong pine]

Sometimes i dont wanna pad and jjst slayer my way around lul

[reef glade]

idk then 7k st for 1 ring sounds a little chopped unless u just like use a set of cds during dmg amp u didnt otherwose or sum

yea

[strong pine]

7k shouldnt have been might have done mistakes there so ye
But still everytime i got the set on
I deal less than i would with mastery haste ring 🫠

But TBF im fairly nre to warri anyway
But enjoying it

[reef glade]

it usually at least has one fun to play spec

even if most of the time they're all terrible

[strong pine]

Arms i feel is more fun than fury for M+ at least

But tbf im working on a warlock for raid now i eanna do more dmg other than padding dmg 😂

[flat patrol]

Any arms warriors using Whirlwind instead of Cleave? Much prefer WW but feel like talents are pushing me into cleave

[magic canopy]

l33t mony

ww doesnt get supported like cleave so youll basically never use ww again

unless they do somethin real weird

[flat patrol]

Shame, I find cleave so clunky in delves with Valeera pulling shit all over the place 😂

Thanks for the answer

[strong pine]

Honestly feel like cleave is insane 😂 its nicr to see after semloish and ravager + avatar to just 4x times with each hitting for 200+k
Makes pulls on adds in +14 super fast

And than we get to the boss fight where tanks are closing in badly 😂

[flat patrol]

When it hits stuff it melts, I just tend to whiff it every time and end up hitting 1-2 mobs. I'm aware it's a major skill issue 😂

[strong pine]

Dump question bc im new to arms here....
Sometimea cleave hits double like a side swipe and a down attack and sometimes it doesnt is it doing that bc more mobs are there or a certain buff?
And yes havnt read everything just yet
I assume its when 3+ targets are hit?

[leaden garnet]

If you hit 3+ mobs, it procs Fervor of Battle

Fervor of Battle can either be Slam or Heroic Strike. The side swipe is Slam, the vertical chop is HS

[onyx rapids]

hi all
hope you guy got BIS from the vault
Quick question regarding trinkets
is the puzzle box worth getting for arms? colossus and slayer wise

[strong pine]

So basicly if my tank decides to only pull 2 mobs i bonk him 😂

[astral yarrow]

it is very good, but very annoying to use and line up

playing pbox as colarms you are juggling 45sec+90sec variable cd WB and Ava, 90 sec static ravager and then a 2 min static trinket

its atrocious to play

[thick kelp]

play it with CS

[unreal zephyr]

Arms raid viable or fury better?

[astral yarrow]

feels illegal when avatar then is like 15 sec off cd 😡

[thick kelp]

Pbox in 9 but avatar is ready at 1:51

Do you hold or

xff

[dim basalt]

Im holding dn

[astral yarrow]

I'd honestly hold pbox i think

guess that depends on dungeon context

[dim basalt]

on-use trinkets are always ass with AM

[thick kelp]

I was holding pbox for the nxt CS

surely reasonable play?

[astral yarrow]

guarantee it isnt the mathematical play, but the better in practice play for sure

frfr

[dim basalt]

I always hold guidon for next avatar as well

Though Im sure CS is way better

Dont think it makes much of a diff mathematically

Cuz you will end up losing a few uses

Should at most hold when some super dangerous pull is ahead like the room pull on vex in AA

[thick kelp]

Sims pop it mid avatar at the 2min mark omegalul

[astral yarrow]

playing MM you are popping it mid opener as well

its so weird

[thick kelp]

do you atleast do it pre trueshot

[astral yarrow]

ofc

[thick kelp]

:))

[astral yarrow]

pre aimed-arcane shot-volley-pbox-aimed-arcane-trueshot-aimed-arcane

[thick kelp]

holy cringe

could be worse tho

[lone yarrow]

volley into pbox into aimed is crazy

[untold pewter]

It's "viable"
Very good for paladins, not very good for the rest
All fights are a padding fest so Fury does push slightly ahead in most but not super hot either

[thick kelp]

6 years of standing still

GL getting puddle in opener

[dim basalt]

I guess thats why TS is delayed like 5s on pull

[astral yarrow]

its actually not even that bad going from warrior when you can move with your next global every time

and rapid fire is 2 sec of movement and so on

you are always following aimed or rapidfire up with an arcane shot, so every second global minimum is movement

[dim basalt]

Whenever I think of MM cds I will be reminded of our MM who didnt pop cds on pull with lust on chimaerus so he could pop adds in phase after 20s

[astral yarrow]

i mean that is how you parse on that fight

[dim basalt]

Not really no

All the top parses dont do that

Perhaps because they grp 2 but eh

On prog this is straight grief

[untold pewter]

[gentle gyro]

It's so cool to see arms finally getting some love and getting instant invites, I totally don't have to wait 2hrs to pug one "low key"

[neat locust]

can someone explain this logic to me? Do they really just autoattack adn wait to get off 3 MS? or have I misunderstood something about slayer build

[untold pewter]

Same as always, prot is the pug spec

[untold pewter]

Those are autocast by bladestorm

Read your talents!

[neat locust]

aaah thanks lol... facepalm..

[untold pewter]

[neat locust]

Yea soz, forgot about that ❤️

[flat patrol]

Anyone got any advice on which is better - battle lord (overpower chance to reset MS) or bloodletting (increased bleed durations & crit chance)? For Slayer Arms

Or get rid of Executioners Precision (+ MS damage after execute) and get both?

[tepid hull]

You can get all three of those

[flat patrol]

This is where I'm at at the minute. I primarily do delves/low level mythics and battlegrounds

So was trying to squeeze in some of the AoE talents

[tiny sable]

Hows D-Slice sim for arms?

[dim basalt]

Not maintained

[thick kelp]

holy talents

what am I seeing

[latent moss]

one of the builds of all time

[tiny sable]

dang, how are you simming for keys then? Doin 1T 5M and 5T 1.3M so far

[latent moss]

simming for keys isnt real

[dim basalt]

^

[latent moss]

just equip ur st bis and use brain for trinkets

[rigid sun]

What formula do you use for simming aoe?

[thick kelp]

Brains

[slender sonnet]

Hey man I have the same issue on my aug

[tiny sable]

bro how do get over feeling bad that you have to take a heroic item over a myth item in vault

[thick kelp]

by taking the mythic item

[tiny sable]

but robot tells me the take voracious trinket 🙁

[old glacier]

That's why you pug your own key.

Got gaze from the weekly mythics quest.

Lucky I guess.

[grim anchor]

what does the single target rotation look like for m+, when I go into boss fights my damage lacking

[old glacier]

That's just arms warrior.

[grim anchor]

in single target is it better to spend rage on slam or cleave

[old glacier]

Bizentein released a great video recently going over m+

[tiny sable]

slayer or col?

[floral tide]

Depends on boss hp afaik.

[grim anchor]

i’ll check it out

[grim anchor]

col

[grim anchor]

okay ty

[tiny sable]

afaik cleave when rav buff, if not slam

col ST is just straight doodoo anyway

[grim anchor]

oh okay tyty

[old glacier]

I feel like I'm doing something very wrong in raids recently. My logs a terrible. Granted we had no hunter/shaman/rogue.

And its just heroic so it doesn't actually matter but you still want to do well, ya know?

[thin quail]

How are people able to parse above 180k dps as arms in vaelgor (dragons)? Does any1 has a PoV?

[floral tide]

They must have longer arms

[old glacier]

Padding on adds.

[floral tide]

Two target is the goat, is there any possible way to hit both the bosses without them juicing each other?

[old glacier]

They are playing colossus.

[karmic bronze]

for the arms raider, are you still playing fury on some bosses or only arm ? if you play both fury and arm what stat did you guys put on crafted gear ? arm focussed ?

i started playing as fury and slowly swapping to arms

rn i have way too much mastery so i'm wondering if i should recraft

i have 1k mastery right

[old glacier]

Probably best to Sim it and see

[floral tide]

^ always the answer tbh

[maiden notch]

would u guys take puzzle box?
Ive hunger mythic, gaze heroic.
Playin alot of m+

[inland ingot]

Not me personally, I’d stay with hunger and gaze.

Get a blood knight potion and the pot to increase your haste during boss fights

[dim basalt]

Possibly just a sim angle tho box should be better than gaze

on-use in M+ is always really good

[void sigil]

Good shit from The Biz like always

[floral tide]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gVftAQ5Ppza29RWX6EsJaz

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6BWgfWn4WaGURhnvCgudtQ

The crafted trinket is showing huge prio on sims

[icy panther]

Do you guys recommend any Arms guide video? I have played Fury only and need to prepare Arms for Paladins fight. I have no clue how Arms works

[karmic bronze]

well your equipped trinket are kinda bad rn so i could see why it says crafted trinket

[floral tide]

https://youtu.be/jsCiMCFdkfA?si=iyJpYa0gPUAD4HV7

[bleak iris]

is m+ dead or sm ?

[fresh spire]

Dk mass grips into demolish cleave slam. It makes a huge difference

[kind stag]

i thought on keys above 13 people have premades?

[thick kelp]

Everyone is at work and all the jobless people are doing 17-20 keys

[bleak iris]

its a holiday in my country 🙁

[thin quail]

Idk not getting over 150k its maybe bc my other mates blasting them too fast?

[limber cobalt]

This has probably been asked a lot, so apologies for repeating (please feel free to point me in the direction of a post answering this if so). How does arms compare to fury in M+? I've seen most people running colossus, but its single target damage is quite abysmal, so I wonder how are people dealing with it in higher keys? Do you roll slayer? How does the ST/AoE/overall DPS compare to thane? How's the playstyle/survival? Happy to hear any thoughts/experiences

[gentle gyro]

[gentle gyro]

I guess.

[dim basalt]

Biz plays both hero specs depending on the dungeon. He uploaded a video guide yesterday and explained what to play in which dung

And Arms is better than Fury in M+

[limber cobalt]

apologies, unfamiliar with Biz - could you link the video please?

ah, I guess it's the one right above - https://youtu.be/jsCiMCFdkfA?si=iyJpYa0gPUAD4HV7?

[ionic mica]

#arms message

[dim basalt]

ye that one

[limber cobalt]

awesome, thanks

[ionic mica]

Yeah that's the one 🙂

[dim basalt]

That video should answer any general question

[limber cobalt]

happy to hear your thoughts as well though

from your experience

I've only played fury this season, haven't really played warrior since wotlk otherwise

[kind stag]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-strike-terry-crews-wo-w-warrior-gif-18597900

[fresh spire]

[kind stag]

man i got the ring from pit of saron but my nexus set rings still sim higher anyways

[valid walrus]

Is slayer still viable in m+ in 12.05?

[kind stag]

ofc

[valid walrus]

Thanks, cause I don't dig col arms atm

[kind stag]

me neither

col arms is gonna be "better" for m+ in 0.5 but slarms is still gonna do well and be better on bosses

also way easier to play

[valid walrus]

I wonder how much stronger col will be with the way higher CD reduction on demo

[floral tide]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tom-holland-yoink-gif-11346283

[slow saddle]

I mean

Slarms looses a ton of st

And col gains st

I dont c slarms being played

Unless we c some significant buffs

[fiery monolith]

I remember in DF i had a puzzle box + bladestorm macro so i could pop trinket while bladestorming, does it still work?

[thick kelp]

no

[valid walrus]

What else then reap do we lose in St?

[rose matrix]

Hopefully they add some more changes so I don't have to swap to Colossus Arms

That playstyle is nearly bad enough to swap classes

[thick kelp]

Slayer still does better ST in .5 atm

[rare kite]

Only reap. Losing reap is pretty big tho

[kind stag]

wasnt there something about bladestorm buffs?

[rose matrix]

Isn't there a change in 12.0.5 which increases the cd reduction on demolish?

[thick kelp]

yeah this one

[rose matrix]

Is that as good as it sounds?

[thick kelp]

yeah

[slow saddle]

Reap is 8-10% st aint it

[thick kelp]

2T situation you can get 20s of CDR in 1 global

once at max stacks

[rose matrix]

I mean they're going to be op

Insanely op

[thick kelp]

nop

its more aoe buff if anything

since it relies on 2T to become OP

[rose matrix]

Yeah

[rare kite]

Yes iirc 20% on slayer talent. Bs ms can reap as well tho. No clue on what the percentage lost is

[rose matrix]

They are already insane at aoe

And you have so many ways to get 2t on a boss fight

[slow saddle]

Ms from bs can reap hoe?

[thick kelp]

yeha

[thick kelp]

not in .5

reap is only from cleave / swept SD's

Basically ST reap wont exist

[slow saddle]

He just said bs ms could

[rose matrix]

Either way the nerfs make no sense

It's pretty laughable tbh

[slow saddle]

They make sense

The laughable part is us not gettin buffs to st

[rose matrix]

The changes make sense but nerfing doesn't

[kind stag]

blizzard torturing warrior players is a classic

[rare kite]

Yea on live

[slow saddle]

🤣

Slayer arms basicly dead in raid now

In comes a 10% dps loss

Gg

[rose matrix]

I just remember when Fury got nerfed hard during the first raid of TWW because of burst

[slow saddle]

Tbf

[rose matrix]

But MM just got to have insane burst the entire raid

[slow saddle]

First nerfs where waranted

Later on was panic nerfs

[rose matrix]

I just don't get why warrior can't ever be the overpowered class really

[kind stag]

issue with fury atm is that they are nuking thane with nothing in return

[slow saddle]

But all arms nerfs on beta was unwarranted

[slow saddle]

Not rly?

[rose matrix]

They are in aoe

[slow saddle]

U just cant clap

As much

[kind stag]

and your clap/blast dmg is lower too

[rose matrix]

Yeah, that is a huge part of your dps in big pulls

[slow saddle]

A proc does reset cd though

[rose matrix]

Also lowering the damage by a ton

[slow saddle]

Dmg loss makes no sense

Cd i get

[rose matrix]

That nerf is making Thane Fury useless in keys

It's literally just a swap to arms situation

[slow saddle]

Imho bigger cd fair but then buffndmg

So it faackin claps

[rare kite]

They are. 40% less clap damage in ava. The cdr is a nerf as well but that’s fine

[kind stag]

slury is "ok" in ST and has cleave but arms just has better niche in that case

[slow saddle]

The dmg nerf makes no sense

[kind stag]

generally this tier is kinda shite for warrior lol

[slow saddle]

Yup

I mean arms is pretty good

In perfect comps and pulls

[kind stag]

arms gets to have 2t niche and colo on vanguard

[slow saddle]

But puggin as col .. well

M+

[rose matrix]

Colossus has to be one of my least favorite hero talents in the game tho

[slow saddle]

In raid jsut trash

[rose matrix]

Rather play anything else if possible

[kind stag]

just play slayer unless its vanguard

[rose matrix]

ye

[kind stag]

playing like ass on vanguard with colo will still do more dmg

m+ colo is GIGA dependant on your tank

its not free as some people say, your tank can completely grief your dmg

[tawny thorn]

Wasn't macro'd with BS, it was with Avatar but Avatar used to pop BS

Still, doesn't work anymore

[slow saddle]

Col would be fun

[tribal echo]

ya they fixed that interaction in DF season 3 i think

[slow saddle]

If we had more rage

[tawny thorn]

Just get a pocket shaman with you

[slow saddle]

Not enuff

[tawny thorn]

Infinite rage

[slow saddle]

Fr

Not

[kind stag]

honestly rage is only an issue in execute phase

[tawny thorn]

yes

[kind stag]

well earlier for colo but still

[tawny thorn]

Don't press exec

[slow saddle]

Or bad proc

[kind stag]

with arms you kinda gotta accept that you cant press at times

or use wrecking throw and stuff like that

[slow saddle]

And that should not be a thing

[kind stag]

arms should not be how it is atm

[olive nest]

[kind stag]

arms needs a giga rework

jankiest spec in the game probably

[slow saddle]

20% more rage

op gives rage sub 35

Ms sends hs sub 35

[olive nest]

Just need more rage so we can execute without starving

[slow saddle]

Solved

[slow saddle]

Or slam😆😅

[kind stag]

remove rend, ravager and give bit more rage and faster CDs, and we ballin

[slow saddle]

Rend is fine

Rav should be on cdr

[kind stag]

and make cleave bigger and more visuals

rend is not fine lol its an useless button

[slow saddle]

Nah its fine

[kind stag]

no visual feedback no oomph nothing, its a remnant of old warrior

[slow saddle]

U send it while gatherin pacls

[kind stag]

its there just so arms has a bleed

[slow saddle]

Not everything needs big shit

Sustain has aspot

[kind stag]

we got 2 bleed specs in the game arms doesnt need to be one

[late yarrow]

How do you guys approach improving as arms? My dps is like half of where it should be with my current gear.

[tawny thorn]

yea, feels like you guys want everything all at once ahah

Arms is fine

Compared to previous expac

between SL and end of TWW

[kind stag]

idk i try to time my cooldowns better usually, or uptime generally

sometimes its just bad rng or bad tank in m+

[tawny thorn]

Do you play colossus or slayer ?

[late yarrow]

Cooldowns just don’t line up well or I’m using them wrong

[thick kelp]

Post logs let ppl see whats wrong

[late yarrow]

I’ve solely focused on Slayer

[slow saddle]

Arms is the worst its been

Since sl1

[tawny thorn]

Did you check Bizentein video guide just above ? @late yarrow

[late yarrow]

I don’t want to complicate things by trying another spec

[slow saddle]

Id take 15% more rage

• 12k more st

[tawny thorn]

A lot of people do the mistake of pressing HS on 3+ target

[kind stag]

general rule is use CS on cooldown and save rest for CS

[late yarrow]

I don’t think I saw video is it stickied? I’ll watch it

[tawny thorn]

It's just above

13:43 pm

[kind stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsCiMCFdkfA

[slate pewter]

how come it's logging much better than most other classes/specs in dungeons?

[late yarrow]

An got it thanks!

Always appreciate the great support here!

[slow saddle]

Because 2/3 specialists play em

Realisticly its pretty good in m+

Prob strong range

Requires shit into boss and shaman

[tawny thorn]

The 4 cleaves after CS is dopamine

Meter stonks

[slow saddle]

So puggin as arms is volatile

[slate pewter]

on archon.gg it shows the top 95 percentile though, so it's way more parses than just 2-3

[slow saddle]

Please

Archon😅

[slate pewter]

isn't it just statistics from logs?

[slow saddle]

Public logs

[slate pewter]

I'm just getting into things so I'm clueless, that's why I'm asking

[slow saddle]

The ppl playin arms are geniuinely ppl that always play

Arms

[valid walrus]

Yep XD

[kind stag]

i like both, i prefer fury though

but i like both

[granite swift]

hows arms looking for 12.0.5? does the extra demolishes make up for one less cleave? overall buff or nerf?

[tawny thorn]

I would say it's a buff

[kind stag]

issue with fury is that they have a specific niche thats not unique to them anymore and blizz hates when fury deletes adds in raids

[tawny thorn]

Blizz using M0 week and NM raid to tune Fury Kappa

[kind stag]

"grrrr why is the spec with odyns fury and 5t cleave good against add phases reeee"

-john blizzard

[cerulean hazel]

What happened to warrior recently that made arms rise to the top spec?

[slow saddle]

Deffo buff

[kind stag]

0.5 patch atm is nuking furys strongest spec

[slow saddle]

U forgot

Adds that spawn every fury cd

[kind stag]

we made odyns fury cd reduced with the tier set and now they can cast it more often so they delete adds wow!!!!

[astral yarrow]

now when adds spawn every fury cooldown window, we still blow

[kind stag]

nerf!

[slow saddle]

Facts

[kind stag]

true because MM hunters kill them before i can even charge at them

[slow saddle]

But ret csn do it

[kind stag]

ret is blizz fav plate class

and main characters of wow

so yknow, they gotta be up there

[slow saddle]

Why is divine storm baseline

[astral yarrow]

i can let ret have a couple of tiers of relevance its all good

[slow saddle]

When cleave isnt

[kind stag]

but cleave is a talent

ahahaah

i dont know

genuinely

[summer niche]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/691394103757373480/1491545476422566099/classic-tbc-tbc.gif

[slow saddle]

Its the same thing

[kind stag]

no cleave is 5x worse

[slow saddle]

Ofc

[summer niche]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1485241806609453097/1491525092369371368/arms.gif

[kind stag]

its a non visual small cone

[haughty bramble]

guys im still having issues about some cd manage as a new arms player i play col and i know i have ravager and avatar and cs so i pop it at the start but then cs is up alone again which i use then its up again with avatar but ravager still has 20 sec cd <.< do i just send it with avatar then and wait for cs to be up with ravager or do i wait ? halp ty guys!

[kind stag]

vs a big ass aoe

[slow saddle]

Haha

M8 that is just colo

[kind stag]

why can they make cleave have bit more range and have like a big effect that shows SWOOSH DAMN BOY IM CLEAVIN THRU EM

[slow saddle]

Hold rav for every cs

[haughty bramble]

oh okay i didnt know its like that

[slow saddle]

I mean i dont like big visuals

[haughty bramble]

okay so its fine to hold ravager for the next cs then

[slow saddle]

But cleave needs it

[kind stag]

doesnt have to be divine storm level but make it at least so theres a nice red or blue trail

so we also see the cone aoe

[slow saddle]

A big sweepin axe

Like line

Just the cones width

[tawny thorn]

Avatar and Rav are useless on their own. So CS on cd but hold on to everything else to pair with a CS

[slow saddle]

Facts

[haughty bramble]

ah got it but sending cs alone is fine right ?

[tawny thorn]

yes

[slow saddle]

Yeye

[tawny thorn]

If you buffed it with some heroic strikes

and stuff

[slow saddle]

So

[kind stag]

like this is kinda nothing make it like the DK one

[tawny thorn]

• realisticaly it's a 20s CD

[slow saddle]

Fr am makes warrior so shitty

Cs 30 sec rav 90 sec avatar 60sec

Would.make sense

Ppl would understand

[haughty bramble]

thats what puts me off as a fury main .. all the cds allign 😄 except odyns witch u send whenever

[slow saddle]

All other specs m8

[haughty bramble]

but learning by doing i guess

[tawny thorn]

With AM, Avatar is close to a 1min CD I believe

[thick kelp]

52s

[slow saddle]

But not quite

[thick kelp]

ish

[slow saddle]

So a mess

And no

We dont get more dmg

We just get misaligned shit thats annoying

[haughty bramble]

oh also rend some targets do have rend on them still cause ms i guess extends it or smthng ? but some expire so i have to reapply rend myself right ? aoe wise

[tawny thorn]

But guys, isn't it exactly why Arms is POG ? I mean I main it and UHDK, and all classes with 45/90s CD are boring after 1st week. You just wait in between cds where Arms, you always have something to press, either it's a pre sweep to stack CM, or a CS + a demolo etc

[slow saddle]

Yes

[tawny thorn]

I mean, that's the reason I play it, other wise I would fall asleep

[slow saddle]

No

Arms is pog coz its proc prio galore

Shiny button push happy

[haughty bramble]

just different when u play a high apm ADHD spec and then arms but yea it looks fun

[rose stratus]

i thought arms is pog bc big number

[haughty bramble]

i just spam cleave aswell which looks like an easy aoe thing to do xD

[slow saddle]

Naturally aligning cds is a min requirement in modern wow

[haughty bramble]

i look into biz video prolly get all my questions answered ty guys tho for the help! 🙂

[hoary fossil]

full send smash but save BS for avatar + smash ye?

[flat patrol]

https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/colossus/m+ looking at these talents, avoiding virtually all execute based ones. Is it because we're using cleave in between MS/OP/Demolish etc or am I barking up the wrong tree? Col Arms I should say

[slow saddle]

St or aoe?

First off just go to wowhead use talents there

But simply put

No rage

No execute

[flat patrol]

I literally keep having people tell me to ignore wowhead as it's slop 💀😂 I'll compare that though

[tawny thorn]

Maxroll.gg has a good guide aswell

[flat patrol]

I'll check both out

[tawny thorn]

I prefer Maxroll compared to Wowhead

[vale cradle]

Arms pog cuz you charge in with big sword and unga bunga

[dim basalt]

wowhead and icy-veins are not slop in our case

[rose matrix]

Honestly the guides depend of the guide writer

[kind stag]

wowhead is written by archie

[dim basalt]

So whoever told you that has no idea

[tawny thorn]

Revves isn't Djo the homeless either when it come to warriors

[flat patrol]

Sorry I should clarify, I've been told to avoid Wowhead on my other characters, not my warrior

So if we have a decent guide writer on there for Arms then I'll check it out

[kind stag]

depends on whos writing for what class

but for all warrior specs wowhead is good

[dim basalt]

Large majority of specs have good wowhead guides

[kind stag]

most of these class discord dudes write on wowhead

ive heard some few its not

[dim basalt]

wowhead and icy-veins ye

[haughty bramble]

thats the opener for aoe on maxroll but wouldnt u press cleave ect first to get stacks of cm and then demolish ?

[thick kelp]

wowhead is good for arms and fury

[haughty bramble]

or am i doing it wrong ?

[rose matrix]

I would send cleaves first too

If you are opening with no stacks

[slow saddle]

Tbh after changes i dno

[thick kelp]

send demo after that MS in the end

for more dam

[haughty bramble]

yea charge > rend > cds > cleave ms > 5 stacks > demolish right ?

[slow saddle]

Y

[kind stag]

yeh wowhead has better opener

[tawny thorn]

Just pre sweep while tank is gathering if it's the very first pull of the dungeon

[rose matrix]

WoWhead is better than maxroll

Based off of what I just looked at

[kind stag]

why are they taking away one free cleave from arms though its kinda wack

like whos complaining

[slow saddle]

Archie is a god

[placid obsidian]

[slow saddle]

Like we got rly good theorycrafters

[sacred zodiac]

i am

[slow saddle]

Wasted on warrior

🤣

[kind stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1358901241375359179/Battle.net_J86KgwOoYA.gif

[placid obsidian]

As someone looking to learn arms im deeply invested in this convo

[slow saddle]

I thimk 3in arow is enuff

[sacred zodiac]

goated gif

who posted it for you to get it within like 5 days of joining the server

[kind stag]

it rly is funny thank you phil

[sacred zodiac]

@boreal quartz thank you philliam

[kind stag]

hey i was here in server before cmon now

[sacred zodiac]

you werent even alive back then

[kind stag]

i was a baby

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1311936702352330825/1491059955485380679/trim.363895D5-E5E0-444C-A085-F0C1AE90FCD2.gif

[haughty bramble]

if we fight less then 3 targets ms takes prio over cleave right ?

with ss ofc

[kind stag]

yeh

2t is ms with 3 collateral stack cleave

[haughty bramble]

and cleave consumes heroic strike i just read ?

[tawny thorn]

This opener suppose that it's not the very first pull of the dungeon where you have 0 stacks. But it will be your AOE opener for 80% of the time (even if this season dungeons have a lot of downtime, you should be sitting at 0 stacks).
Just pre sweep while tank gathering and you'll have your 10 stacks by the time everything is gathered

[haughty bramble]

so i dont have to pay attention to that

[thick kelp]

only if its hits 3 targets when you have the talent fervor of battle

[kind stag]

on 3t yeah

[tawny thorn]

HS > MS

[haughty bramble]

ah so if hs is up press that over ms

[kind stag]

only on st

[tawny thorn]

in less than 3 targets yes

or ST

[kind stag]

on 3t you always cleave>ms

[thick kelp]

Watch the bizentein video

its goated

[tawny thorn]

At 3+ you always cleave yes

[haughty bramble]

so why are people saying arms has so many buttons im confusion

[slow saddle]

Slam

Op

Cleave

Ms

Rend

[kind stag]

well lot of classes have way less and gotta manage less CDs

[slow saddle]

• 4 cds

[hoary fossil]

playing arms is like playing class pre-prune\

[tawny thorn]

pruning didn't get us as much as other classes but let's say we have enough buttons 😄

[kind stag]

slayer arms is kinda fine but colo is jank

[rose matrix]

I find it funny so many people still call warrior easy and 2 buttons

[slow saddle]

Y

[rose matrix]

When it has way more buttons than anything else I have played so far

[slow saddle]

Y it deffo isnt

[haughty bramble]

i miss the self sustain with arms i have to say as a fury i can stand in shit and it doesnt punish me as much just heal against it

[kind stag]

fury kinda is

[tawny thorn]

I wouldn't love to have a DBZDH 2 buttons rotation

[kind stag]

its not as easy as ret or hunter or something

[slow saddle]

Its the same?

[haughty bramble]

well you dont have enrage regen right ?

[slow saddle]

Just press self heal

Nor does fury

[upper sparrow]

Can anyone tell why I suck at a quick glance?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fr2TgLCPFARWtbkB?fight=8&type=damage-done&source=83

[kind stag]

arms got dis

[slow saddle]

If u have it as fury u took a dmg loss

[rose matrix]

I feel like Arms isn't that much harder than Fury it just feels worse to play

[slow saddle]

Facts

Esp in raid

Like not havin battlelord..mm

[haughty bramble]

arms is def more to track for

[left shard]

is it normal that i get cooked as arms vs demo lock in academy?

i played slayer

[slow saddle]

No

[kind stag]

just play st slayer build and focus boss ignore adds and ez raid

let fury pad on adds

[slow saddle]

But also u are just above tanks in dmg

[dim basalt]

Heavily depends on the context

[slow saddle]

Did u use pots?

[haughty bramble]

i get cooked by freaking brewmaster tanks sometimes if my cds are not up

[slow saddle]

Did he?

[haughty bramble]

like whats that about

[slow saddle]

Col does no st

[tawny thorn]

Aca was our best key in DF but became the worst since 3 out of 4 bosses are pure ST

[kind stag]

arms is all about using your big dam in your cs

[tawny thorn]

And our ST is

[kind stag]

col especially does no st

[tawny thorn]

Well, isn't

[slow saddle]

Slayer arms st is...

Well decent

[haughty bramble]

i only play 10er keys so far maybe i just stick with slayer arms then ?

[tawny thorn]

But if your tank can pull 2 mobs onto a boss, you become a monster

[slow saddle]

Yes

[dim basalt]

AA is a Slayer key anyway

[tawny thorn]

Best funnel potential in the game ATM

[slow saddle]

Tyo

[tawny thorn]

true

[rose matrix]

Honestly I wouldn't play Colossus outside of a few keys in a decent group

Pugging I am taking slayer in all keys

[slow saddle]

Facts

[kind stag]

i generally recommend slayer because colo is giga dependant on your tank

[haughty bramble]

great have to learn another rotation then <.<

[slow saddle]

Nah

Same

Just prio sd more

[kind stag]

ive had tanks grief my demolishes and ravagers so often

[sacred zodiac]

doesnt ravager literally do zero damage

[thick kelp]

yea

[haughty bramble]

sd ?

[dim basalt]

ye

[kind stag]

it heals enemies

[sacred zodiac]

we're not in tomb anymore

[haughty bramble]

oh sudden death ?

[tawny thorn]

yes

[floral tide]

Increases the amount of cleave dmg

[slow saddle]

Y

[sacred zodiac]

yeah so a tank dragging adds out of ravager doesnt affect your dps

[rose matrix]

If the group is seperate during your ravager can grief your buffed cleaves

[kind stag]

nah not that but more that they dont stack em properly or stuff like that

[tawny thorn]

you can literally throw your ravager in POS while doing Aca it doesn't matter

[kind stag]

or kite at bad times

[sacred zodiac]

im talking about the ravager damage not the multipliers it enables for other buttons

[tawny thorn]

As long as it spin, it buffs your cleave

that's it

[kind stag]

yepyep

[slow saddle]

Keys so easy now

[kind stag]

ravager dmg is 0

[slow saddle]

Tanks are shit

In 12s

I get dregs

Way worse than b4

[kind stag]

ima be real i am getting annoyed by some tanks

[tawny thorn]

I play Colo everywhere with my guildies

I play Slayer everytwhere when pugging

[kind stag]

prot warriors are carrying me hard though

i kneel

[slow saddle]

Brew

Free dmg

Sadly most brew sucl

[haughty bramble]

Brew dmg is crazy imo

[slow saddle]

But then u get a good 1..
And its giga life

[kind stag]

prot warrior on pit of saron i assume they are having time of their life because they make that key look efortless

[tawny thorn]

I can't stress it enough but get a shaman in your key

Skyfury gave me more DPS than 4p

[haughty bramble]

retri do love shamans now

[kind stag]

give skyfury baseline to arms blissard

this weeks affix is there a reason not to insta cleanse it with berserkers rage or?

maybe i didnt understand the affix well

[tawny thorn]

depend the key, in Nexus point I would keep BR for the purple slow

Let the healer do it

They don't kick nor DPS anymore

[kind stag]

purple slow?

nah but i mean

[tawny thorn]

In nexus point, you have the big slow around you

Pink/purple

[lament hedge]

that would be nice and I would like to have lust with warri

[tawny thorn]

BR get rid of it

[kind stag]

like is there "cleanse later for stronger buff" or something similar, my guildie thinks something weird and im being confused now

[kind stag]

you mean on right boss the big aoe?

[tawny thorn]

No in the corridor going to the boss

[kind stag]

or on left side the engineers circle?

[tawny thorn]

Yea

[kind stag]

ahh ok

[tawny thorn]

Can't remember if it's the engineers or another mob

But the big ass slow

Use BR and you're free

So I was just saying I woulnd't use BR for affixe in this case

[kind stag]

yeh i getcha there

but it was more general

i just pop it insta usually unless for some cases like that yeah

[tawny thorn]

You sure can, I just let healer do it otherwise they fall asleep just healing

[leaden garnet]

It deals vaguely one MS' worth of damage, per target, split over 10 seconds

[kind stag]

my guildie yday thought if you break it later you get stronger buff and i had to reread the affix because gaslighting is OP

[leaden garnet]

Phrased differently, pressing Cleave twice with Ravager's buff active will contribute more damage than Ravager itself

[left shard]

wdym ?

i dont know i kinda think i just suck at arms

[dim basalt]

route, buffs and so on

[left shard]

watched bizs guide aswell keeping track of everything

but kinda seem to not do damage wise as much as these guys on the high keys

my tanks obviouslys dont play that big of a pull but still

[ionic mica]

do your packs live long enough to get a second CS?

[tight igloo]

Hi, what is mostly played atm, slayer or collo in m+ ? 🙂

[kind stag]

both are played both play for different reasons

[left shard]

i did 15 academy so yeah they did in one pull

but only on one

on the others they mostly die

[ionic mica]

the second CS is a huge amount of damage with cleaves in execute range

[left shard]

before i get second cs or bladestorm

i dont even know if i want to send a seconds cs if im not up with blade storm

[tight igloo]

What are they? Long time since i played arms

[ionic mica]

if you arent getting that regularly, youll not get anywhere near the overalls of the people youre comparing to

[left shard]

something i still wonder

[ionic mica]

cs on cd

bs with cs if you can

can always get bs on the back end of a cs, it extends a lot

[left shard]

oh ok i see

i holded it most of the time

for colossus as well with demolish?

or do i want to line up demolish with cs?

[tawny thorn]

CS on CD hold on to everything else to use with a CD

[ionic mica]

yeah same for demolish

with cs only

[kind stag]

colo is for big cleave damage but low ST, slayer is more rounded and has bit better ST, also way easier

[left shard]

so basically use cs on cd then if im like 5 sec into bladestorm i hold it with cs

[neon shale]

never ava without cs

[left shard]

ah ok

[ionic mica]

cs is up so often you get a lot more value out of everything else by lining up

[azure basalt]

Is arms slayer as tanky as Thane fury?

[tawny thorn]

plus with our tset sometimes you can fit a BS coming back up even if you CS'd 10s ago

[grave ravine]

Whens 12.05 out?

[astral yarrow]

voidforge quest thingy suggests 3 weeks

[tawny thorn]

Can't wait to cast 2-3 demolo per CS

[neon shale]

Whats thta voidforge about anyways

[kind stag]

decently tanky id say, i dont have issues surviving

[neon shale]

is it change stats on gear

[kind stag]

bonus roll coins no?

[neon shale]

no clue

[grave ravine]

yeah bonus rolls

[sacred zodiac]

if you spec defensive talents thane fury should be tankier but i dont think you will realistically ever notice a difference in prog environments

[ionic mica]

not at all but still decently tanky

[kind stag]

when were bonus rolls removed, bfa?

[azure basalt]

Yeah ok but col tankier ? Like Thane fury is tankier than fury slayer?

[kind stag]

yeah col is tankier

[ionic mica]

whichever warrior you play, someone else in your key will be a lot less tanky xD

[kind stag]

indeed

[ionic mica]

unless you love stacking dks

[neon shale]

damagetakenmaxxingmog

[kind stag]

slayer should get condemn to replace execute it would be cool

[tawny thorn]

CONDEMN

Instead of spear of my ass

I beg for a condemn comeback

And no

We get spear

[kind stag]

im on my knees begging rn

[sacred zodiac]

condemn needs to stay a memory

unless you want execute phases to matter even less

[ionic mica]

condemn was fun until they tuned it to be ass because we had it available so much 😄

[astral yarrow]

would love to rage starve on pull as slayer as well why dont we

[kind stag]

well it can get bit retuned but i just liked the flair of it

[sacred zodiac]

thats when you have lust and famously haste is proportional to rage gained

[tawny thorn]

Or make spear actually do something

[kind stag]

yknow what, dont, because i dont need more buttons

[tawny thorn]

Instead of just pulling back mobs by the hairs

[ionic mica]

if they give us more class tree talent points sure

[kind stag]

OR remove ravager and make it bladestorm or spear

[ionic mica]

i dont want spear to be good if it means i have to drop something else

[astral yarrow]

just let my cooldowns give me endless rage man i hate this class so much rn

[kind stag]

and give cleave dmg to spear

[tawny thorn]

Ancien Aftershock was poog

[kind stag]

spear instead of ravager makes so much more sense because you yank the enemies to it anyways

[tawny thorn]

Get rid of the blueish color

[astral yarrow]

aftershock would probably solve a lot of arms issues rn

[ionic mica]

give us necrolord banner with rage gen that we extend :)))

[sacred zodiac]

might need to discuss with officers what melee specs i can swap to after this tier

[left shard]

so send it always and if i can line my bladestorm with avatar and cs ?

[astral yarrow]

just do it when you are benched for last 3 bosses

[slow saddle]

I would

Coz then they c our rage issues

[slow saddle]

Facts

[kind stag]

they are gonna buff warriors so you stay warrior then nerf it 2 weeks in again

[ionic mica]

biz goes over it nicely in his guide but yes, you send CS as much as possible, and everything else you hold to line up with CS

[astral yarrow]

and then promptly nerf something unrelated entirely

[slow saddle]

Yup

[ionic mica]

BS you can send part way through CS as it extends a lot with cleaves and MS

[astral yarrow]

"Mortal Strike had too high of a variance in damage dealt, so we are reducing the critical strike multiplier on it by 50%"

[kind stag]

[ionic mica]

i was surprised when i noticed our crit dam talent is only 10%

[haughty bramble]

wowhead doesnt have a slayer opener aoe part :< can anyone run it down ? is it charge > rend > avatar >cs > bs ? or do we cleave ?

[ionic mica]

thought it was 30% at least idk not checked in ages

[astral yarrow]

Meanwhile marksmanship hunter has crit dam talent and 100% crit chance on aimed shot 🙂

[ionic mica]

ele has like 75% now with apex, havoc has crit dam as 40% of crit chance, devourer has a load of + crit dam too

scammed for our niche

[rose matrix]

Yeah none of those classes are warriors

[astral yarrow]

cant do execute, cant do burst aoe, cant get bitches

wcyd

[tawny thorn]

Charge > Rend > Avatar CS > CLEAVE CLEAVE CLEAVE CLEAVE > BS

[stable fiber]

when MM gets a good tier set its over

[tawny thorn]

Then proceed to cleave even more

[stable fiber]

they currently have the worst tier set in the game

[tawny thorn]

When pack is dying

Keep cleaving

[stable fiber]

and still doing this much dps

[tawny thorn]

And then

Cleave

[haughty bramble]

okay so also spend the 4 no cd cleaves and then bs and then cleave some more

[astral yarrow]

all im told by our hunter main is that its a bug so hunters arent actually this good

💀

[sour tinsel]

basically this

[haughty bramble]

press shiny execute too i assume

[rose matrix]

All I am saying is if warrior was doing the damage MM is doing in raid they would have been nerfed over a week ago

[sour tinsel]

you cleave then cleave then sometimes shiny execute

then you keep cleaving

then you rage drain yourself

[tawny thorn]

Yes, and if you're mid pack in high keys and you see the mobs aren't yet under 35% health you BS before cleaving

[sour tinsel]

then you cleave some more

[ionic mica]

try use Sudden Death if you have 2 stacks before BS as well

[sour tinsel]

then you forget to sweeping strikes then you cleave

[fair brook]

I miss being a warrior

[ionic mica]

as you might get more in BS

[tawny thorn]

So then you'll cleave with mass exec buff

[fair brook]

But my guild needed a dress wearing mage instead

[ionic mica]

hunters cannot be trusted

[kind stag]

use SD before bladestorm no

[haughty bramble]

ahhh okay got it

[stable fiber]

it was super bugged week 1 but they fixed it, i still think they have something bugged but it isnt super nerfing them

[sour tinsel]

dress so gay

[astral yarrow]

the fix they did, didnt fix shit, just like their fix for the evoker cheese on beloren didnt fix shit lol

[tawny thorn]

Use SD before BS if you have 2 stacks yea

[stable fiber]

nah the fix they did fixed the ST bug, aimed shot was hitting ST bosses twice which wasnt intended

[soft gust]

Use SD before BS in general, lots of damage + imminent demise stacks

[stable fiber]

the spec is just overtuned rn

[astral yarrow]

hydra is still bugged though

[haughty bramble]

bro im at target dummies and when i charge rend avatar and ect i cant even spam the 4 cleaves cause i dont have enough rage dafuq is that ?

[sour tinsel]

you talking bout marksman

[astral yarrow]

i'd find the azor post on hunter discord, but im allergic to that guy

[stable fiber]

is it a different bug lmao?

[astral yarrow]

yep

[sour tinsel]

do you got it speced

[ionic mica]

once a bug makes it into live and stays, thats just your spec lmao

[astral yarrow]

they went windwalker on that shit

[sour tinsel]

wait isnt the cleave off colossus smash

[ionic mica]

hunters blaming that saying they arent good xD

[sour tinsel]

not avatar

[rose matrix]

He means not enough rage

[soft gust]

If you crit on your first auto, you get more rage and + 20% auto speed from wild strikes

If not, L

[haughty bramble]

yea big L i guess lol

[sour tinsel]

colossus smash gives enough rage for the cleaves tho dont it?

[astral yarrow]

give players 4 more bag slots -> wind, earth and fire is bugged for 6 years

[haughty bramble]

its a gcd do i overpower in that case ? xD

[rose matrix]

Not always

[soft gust]

Better to BS then starve multiple cds i think

[rose matrix]

Usually can get 2 guaranteed

Not always 4

[soft gust]

I normally just BS if i have no SD and no cleave rage

[rose matrix]

Yeah that's what I do

[haughty bramble]

oh okay

so if i cant get the 4 cleaves out

better bs then wait for rage

thats dumb but okay

no crit L if crit okay

[soft gust]

You generate rage during BS

So when it finishes you can finish the cleaves

Normally in keys

[astral yarrow]

auto attacks continue during bs, but during demolish it would obviously be op

[soft gust]

You wont starve

[astral yarrow]

cant have that

[sour tinsel]

can BS proc SD off the mortal strikes?

[tawny thorn]

It's only because you're on dummie, but on a big pull, you won't starve

[soft gust]

Cause youll have rage fron last pack

Also, on an intro lust pull, just charge twice as your tank gathers

[tawny thorn]

^ and this yes

[astral yarrow]

also more rage from bloodsurge

[soft gust]

Correct

[tawny thorn]

Slayer M+ doesn't play bloodsurge I believe

[sour tinsel]

ive lowk gotten obliterated from opening before he full gathers

[soft gust]

The vast majority of the time youre not starving in a key

[soft gust]

Dont hit em just charge for rage

Then rend CS etc on gathered pack

[sour tinsel]

is prio rend cs cleaves or rend cs bs cleave

[regal wharf]

i failed another trial

that's 2 trials this tier

[soft gust]

Rend CS, Cleaves, SD if you have, BS

[tawny thorn]

Arms has the most unfair spell when it comes to hit targets and not die. I always pre sweep and hit the shit out of mobs while tnka is gathering and I just use Die by the sword

[soft gust]

That also works

[rose matrix]

Die by the sword is awesome

Best thing about Arms honestly

[soft gust]

I like to pre sweep on col to generate demo stacks into first pull

[tawny thorn]

yea I mostly play colo

But you don't even have to pre stack with Slayer

[sour tinsel]

ngl i was playing colo then i swapped to slayer for m+

idk feels alot more consistent

[tawny thorn]

I'm at work and just talking about it makes me want to bang keys so hard

GUYS

[sour tinsel]

sometimes i mess up the demo

[tawny thorn]

I play 90% of my keys with my guildies

So my tank knows

[sour tinsel]

im in a dad guild at 22 so most of them work until 6pm

[tawny thorn]

Make everything for me to not lose stacks

Pull mobs onto every bosses possible

But when I pug, it's slayer of course

[dim basalt]

Still wouldnt play col in every key tho

[sour tinsel]

nah

[stable fiber]

hydra arcane shots is applying marks to secondary targets (up to 7?), think of it like sweeping executes with old executioners precision and it applys to all the targets even if it doesnt hit them all

[dim basalt]

Some keys Slayer is just straight up better

[stable fiber]

pretty crazy actually

[sour tinsel]

idk ive been able to get colo damage on slayer recently

[hoary fossil]

slayer just feels more fluid for me but thats prolly cause I havent spent enough time with colo

[sour tinsel]

i really thought slayer was gonna be buns but after playing it for awhile its just so smooth man

[sour tinsel]

nah coming from colo slayer is way more fluid

[astral yarrow]

but hunters are actually bad

💀

[stable fiber]

makes sense why they did so much damage on paladins now

[soft gust]

I run colossus on most keys, except academy, npx, and skyreach

[stable fiber]

bm hunters also abusing 2 different toys to like do 33% more dps

lmao

[sour tinsel]

do you just use wowhead build?

[astral yarrow]

they got to be nerubar fury warriors but without the nerfs

[tawny thorn]

yea, and btw guys, how cool is the fact that we can play both depending on the context

[astral yarrow]

and at range

[tawny thorn]

I'm a sucker for demolo so I'll play as much colossus as possible

But I actually enjoy slayer a lot

[soft gust]

Yeah

Ive simmed some build variations and not a lot of talents we dont take offer enough to bother

We’ve got way too many AOE talents that we’re locked into for m+ so the amount of choice is really restricted

[sour tinsel]

true

what raids would you take colo into or do you swap between encounters

[icy magnet]

the builds in wow head for M+ and ST are up to date? they are from 02/25, nothing changed since then?

[dim basalt]

wowhead will always be up to date

[soft gust]

Averzian if you want to pad, and LBV

everything else slayer

Afaik

[icy magnet]

trying to find a reason why i feel weak XD

[soft gust]

Im more of an M+ guy

[sour tinsel]

bet

[sour tinsel]

im trying to get into raids ngl I enjoy mechanics and such

[soft gust]

If you ever want to check, look at the top ranking arms parses on warcraft logs

For each boss

[slow saddle]

Get a good guild

[soft gust]

You can check their builds

[sour tinsel]

what website would I use for that cause ive always wondered about their builds

[sour tinsel]

were gonna be trying some heroic today so

[sharp dust]

Warcraft logs

[slow saddle]

Nice

[slow saddle]

Tbh

Use wowhead raid build then

Top 100 filled with pad

[soft gust]

Feel like for most bosses this tier there’s not a huge amount of build dependent pad available

Outside of averzian

And maybe chim

[sour tinsel]

is prio always MS>OP>Slam btw for ST slayer?

and just SD whenever it pops

[slow saddle]

Dragons

Saladman

Crown

[soft gust]

How much pad are you getting on dragons that isnt just off of reaping the adds

[slow saddle]

Well

[abstract sphinx]

Hello guys, does anyone have a clear Ayije CDM profile he doesn't mind sharing? Iam using atrocity's profile but he doesnt track many important procs.

[slow saddle]

If u wanna reap em

U neded combo thingy

And fervor

[soft gust]

Why would you need either of those

Reap is slayer hero talent

Nobody goes cleave on that fight

[abstract sphinx]

every cleave gives u a free slam if u have that talent

and op with sweeping hits twice