arms

[umbral badger]

yes but near he end they buffed it enough to make it hit like a truck

and i enjoyed that

[slow saddle]

nah

not baseline

[magic canopy]

played some slarms in M+

specs p fun

[soft dew]

Last time I really played Arms was DF and I remember MS hitting hard

[slow saddle]

it was 60% from op and 50% from ep + avatar + CS

[umbral badger]

that being said , even at it's best now mortal strike does not hit enough dmg to justify it's weakness at it's lowest

and so that basically means it needs a buff baseline

[slow saddle]

HM wanted to take Mythic heart of the wind

BUT

heroic gaze is better

sadge

by a mile as well

[umbral badger]

like what i am almost 276 and my mortal still does like 20k without anything ?

WAIT

[slender sonnet]

arms>fury

confirmed

[umbral badger]

i made a mistake

my mortal strike hits 23k

atm

at 276

[slender sonnet]

(dont ask what key level)

[umbral badger]

nice

[slow saddle]

but that is more the cost of

avatar + cs + ep + the last one i cant remember + crit

u cant have it both ways

[umbral badger]

i just mean that for our "main ability" it does not feel good to use when you have nothing of the cds or procs

[slow saddle]

high highs and high lows

[umbral badger]

you can defo have it both ways if your overall dps is low :p

that's the point i am making, since our overall dps is low they can buff something like OP or mortal or even slam "although i'd hate slamming more"

[quiet bramble]

peeveepee

[inland drift]

really?

[umbral badger]

either way i am not disagreeing with you techincally, since if they buffed our overall dps from other sources i am fine with it too. but they are probably limited to sources that are not gonna affect our AoE

[slow saddle]

fuck me

Auto attack

done

😄

[umbral badger]

ok that would make me delete wow xd

[slow saddle]

if u could also give me 10-20% more rage from AA

nah

[umbral badger]

if AUTO attack dmg gave more rage i'd like it though xd

[slow saddle]

i mean u could give us SOME dmg in aa

as it seems like they dno what else to tune because arms is setup in a way to do WAY to much cleave dmg then

or sweep dmg

easy choice also Buff op

lett Martial Prowess also Include Execute

would help

as well

[umbral badger]

honestly i just don't like the numbers on some of our hero talents

[slow saddle]

as its annoying its only op // slam ( fillers) a good idea but sucks in exe

[umbral badger]

like is shit

i don't like it

[slow saddle]

[Unrelenting Onslaught] should just add 20% execute dmg

[umbral badger]

cuz we use demo on cd it feels much less than it sounds

[slow saddle]

and last t of col should jsut give 20//30% ms or whatever

[umbral badger]

is nice but i also feel like it could do more, especially consideirng how weak is rend

[slow saddle]

i mean Arterial bleed we dont even take 😄

[umbral badger]

you can also add execute to this

or you can seperate it to cleave 20% and slam / mortal 40%

[slow saddle]

keep in mind its been nerfed by 5%

in beta

but y

Remove Cleave from it

and just give slam // ms more dmg

Reducing mass aoe for more prio dmg is nice

[umbral badger]

yea it's just weird man i feel like they treat warriors so delicately as if they are too scared of warriors going even slightly above average

i just don't get it

like what is gonna happen if arms warrior became S tier for 1 tier ? the 200 mythic arms warrior raiders will break the world ? xd

it's like when you make mages S tier you have 30k or 60k hardcore raiders abusing the F out of that spec

[old glacier]

Opened the vault in prot loot spec. Oops.

[umbral badger]

that's where yo should be worried, at mages.

[slender sonnet]

it is?

[slow saddle]

my plan

dreadnaught buff

😉

[dapper wolf]

Hi guys

[rare kite]

@slow saddle smh my head

[slow saddle]

it is

fantastic

[rare kite]

never met anyone actually offended by that video. got removed from party after this screenshot xD

[slow saddle]

i mean if he is butthurt by that

key prod dead in 1m

[formal vault]

hi guys

which one is the best spec for raid arms?

single target

[thick kelp]

slayer

[formal vault]

on wowhead is the right build?

[thick kelp]

yes

[formal vault]

thx

[boreal remnant]

Hadn't heard of it, went and watched it

accurate

and I'd inv you to groups just based on this screenshot

[rare kite]

❤️

it's such a good video

[boreal remnant]

grotesco has a bunch of really funny swedish skits

didn't know there was a danish version of them basically xd

[astral yarrow]

guy is literally called "the asskicker"

i dont think he even knows the kamelåså thing from his reaction

[rare kite]

lmao

[slow saddle]

Røvsskubberenwas actually the name of a type of early bicycle with a motor

[void sigil]

Then they didnt deserve you. That video is hilarious

[radiant widget]

question
why dont u take the last point in apex talents?

[dim basalt]

Its always taken

[radiant widget]

guides say dont XD

[misty bridge]

that is outdated

[radiant widget]

oh

[dim basalt]

wowhead uses 4/4 everywhere

[radiant widget]

i see 🙂
also colossus or slayer?

[misty bridge]

both use 4/4

[radiant widget]

i mean like what one is better

[misty bridge]

Mythic+/cleave fights Colossus, ST - Slayer

[radiant widget]

[vapid pine]

M+ Slayer is fine too if you don't like Demolish (I hate it)

[old glacier]

How sad, I have nothing to spend my mythic crests on.

[radiant widget]

im still lvling, guss ill test then i get to m+

[verbal folio]

its a sad day

myth tier upgrade it seems

[radiant sonnet]

1 question dbm or big wigs?

[radiant widget]

both do the same thing and they reskin the ingame one

[radiant sonnet]

Ty

[vapid pine]

Not the case anymore afaik, they use custom timers which allow for re-naming and text-to-speech etc

[radiant widget]

oh

[leaden coral]

i can trust simc for trinkets ?

[vapid pine]

It's always correct, as long as you know how to interpret the data

[leaden coral]

cause blood mullet and maxroll everyone says some different

[vapid pine]

They're all using different gearsets and values to base their rankings on. The best is generally to sim your own gear to find what items fit your current goals

[astral yarrow]

the guys doing the apl are somewhat competent

[thick kelp]

I wouldnt be thaat sure

[astral yarrow]

somewhat doing heavy lifting

obviously went downhill after i stopped

[thick kelp]

Ofc

Theorycrafters are just a collection of dumb warriors

who Max hates with a passion

[astral yarrow]

dumb warriors with loudest voices

Max and blizzard both

[thick kelp]

Imagien a world where blizzard listened to melee dps tc's

im convinced the mage dev is besties with mage tc's

[spring vale]

My vault was actually putrid. Not a single tier piece (i still need 4p), no trinkets, 2 haste vers cloaks, 2 haste mastery rings

:(

Socket angle i guess

[astral yarrow]

mage and lock dev are banging everyones wives

[polar wraith]

Fellow zug zuggers, I need your help with vault. I got myth shoulders and Solarflare Prism in vault. I am currently using hc gaze and renown trinket. Have no idea which one to take, because myth shoulders drop from first mythic boss which we cleared with guild, but idk if they would go to me if dropped. Since we are going chimaerus next, vorasius won't be killed this week most likely so definitely no vorasius trinket this week. What would you choose Prism or myth shoulders?

[misty summit]

I would take myth shoulders and farm hero puzzle box tbh to replace renown trinket

[marsh cove]

there is a good macro for join my rend to another cast to apply the bleeding often ?

[rare kite]

wat

[feral breach]

Rend is on gcd, so no

[floral tide]

It's typically only worth pairing Gcds with non Gcds. Aka bladestorm with avatar

[feral breach]

It is not about worth, you cant pair multiple casts with gcds in meaningful manner

Castsequence would be a way, but the game is too dynamic rn to make propper use

[cobalt lodge]

did we not get a new catalyst charge this week? feels like i have had 2 only all of midnight

[feral breach]

No

[floral tide]

I've used about 6 catalyst charges so far

Hit 2k, looted 1 teir from raid and got 4 set asap to get the achievement

[azure basalt]

Is arms slayer prone to rage starvation/ no gcd like Colossus ?

[thick kelp]

in keys without a skyfury buff yes

[azure basalt]

Damn

Hate that

[floral tide]

Stacking a bit more haste certainly helps

[vapid pine]

Does haste even give more rage, you just spend more too no?

[astral yarrow]

haste is neutral

crit is the only haste positive stat

uh

rage positive

[thick kelp]

rage positive

[quaint snow]

Haste positive 🙂

[astral yarrow]

i am positive with haste

haste fun

[feral breach]

Playing with rotation helper to stay rage positive

[thick kelp]

rotation helper rage starves you harder

[safe jay]

any takes on Crown mythic boys? (apart from not bringing melee )Arms or Fury angle got 3 fury 1 arms log to choose from

[quaint snow]

it's wild to me that i'm back after like 7 years away and people are still saying haste helps with rage starv on arms

[astral yarrow]

fury if p1 is an issue, arms if you want to do relevant damage

[feral breach]

It helped when haste Didnt give you cd reduction

[safe jay]

literally what i told my raidleader

[quaint snow]

it's been like 20 years

[safe jay]

xD

[thick kelp]

Arms to prep for belo + lura prog

just play powerful/broad and u are g2g

[safe jay]

im on honeymoon for 3 weeks so fuck that sadly

[thick kelp]

if u need p1

[astral yarrow]

arms to have a final hoorah before bench for rest of tier

i am finally off warrior rest of tier

[safe jay]

Arms hate is real this tier legit

[astral yarrow]

warrior hate is legit

since undermine

[thick kelp]

aagaardhntas

is it hontas or huntas

[astral yarrow]

tuning has been in the gutter for raid since undermine and fight design doesnt even save us

[astral yarrow]

pocahontas

i think

pocha

maybe

[thick kelp]

I was getting pocahotnas wibes from your name

[astral yarrow]

its aagaardhntas because name too long

[thick kelp]

gg

[astral yarrow]

i tried agrdhontas

but thats kinda cringe

[thick kelp]

OAB execute fight

[astral yarrow]

only fight warrior wasa good on was sprocket cause ranged was trash

[thick kelp]

real

[astral yarrow]

but 9 ranged was mandatory xdd

[thick kelp]

mugzee last phase went hard

on Slarms with ravager

in lust

pot

I remember looking at logs and doing like 30% more than 2nd place in execute

[astral yarrow]

mugzee was ok, but you'd just take your better melee player over a warrior if buff was covered

[thick kelp]

true

then gallypiss

[sweet arrow]

is coee sim bait because i have gaze (heroic) in my vault and its not simming better than taking smething else

[thick kelp]

coee?

[sweet arrow]

crucible of eratic energies, trinket from rep that you upgrade with console

[thick kelp]

its pretty over budgeted

Surely at this point some hero trinekts from keys would sim higher

[vapid pine]

Sorta depends on if you have hero crests to upgrade or not

[thick kelp]

Surely you do?

even at 3/6 something like gale/box/solarflare

should sim better

[vapid pine]

Hero 6/6 droptimizer for me running Heart + Crucible

[thick kelp]

crazy

[vapid pine]

Granted, this is ST sim with M+ Slayer talents, mainly push that

[thick kelp]

ding ding

[astral yarrow]

question then is, have people done their weeklies for the rep trinket to actually be good

[sinful pilot]

You get one from the weekly, once from stormarion event

If someone played the game a bit, he should at least have a charge for the trinket and get the rest whenever

[astral yarrow]

i have 0 i think on main

miss me with the dogshit open world stuff

[vapid pine]

Isn't it litearlly like

Take daily, do reclear, turn in daily

[astral yarrow]

no clue

dinged 90, waited for m0 swoops and m+ to open

[vapid pine]

Based

[sinful pilot]

Doing stuff yeah

Were doing it before start of season bc i was farming rare mounts

[barren void]

Anyone know why Arcui doesn't show my executioners precision stack count?

[scarlet garnet]

do i just send my CS on cd as slayer

[mortal crag]

we're not getting another craft are we?

[sinful pilot]

Next week for next craft

[mortal crag]

yeah

anlagi

[unreal river]

no changes for us today right?

[keen stirrup]

Pvp✅ Pve⛔️

[dull comet]

Hello ! there is a setup to do before using bladestorm execpt avatar and colossus smash ? i dont understand how streamer can overblast a pack

[tranquil moth]

is that wind heart trinket bis for arms? i dont own chiamerus hc trinket. not sure what to choose

[acoustic mulch]

i would sim it, but the weapon looks juicy🥵

[lament hedge]

Hello, I want to be sure that I take the right item. I have a crafted 285 weapon, so I think this myth weapon isn't it worth then. I have the same neck in champ and I would tend to take it over the chest set piece. What do you think?

[cold relic]

If switching from Fury to arms, is their a min amount of crit/haste you would want before switching where it feels good.

[thick kelp]

Neck is the safest choice. Weapon is a good pick long long term if you dont mythic raid. Chest is the "worst" pick possibly out of those three if you mythic raid

[thick kelp]

no

Slayer is playable at all crit levels

fidget around with your gems/jewelry pieces if u can to inch out some crit

[cold relic]

Cheers 🙂

[mortal crag]

i took chest over wep

cuz im 285 crafted rn

am i artistic for that

or?

[thick kelp]

no

[lament hedge]

thanks for the fast response. I don't raid mythic, normally only a little bit hc and most of the time m+. I think the weapon would be nice to have it for fury sometimes but I am enjoying arms so much more.

[mortal crag]

ty i got scared

since i raid fury

so i figured chest benefits both

but wep only benefits fury rn

[thick kelp]

chest is deffo the better choice for dmg now

weapon is like long long long term choice if u dont myffic raid

altho the dungeon pool has quite a few 2h

[mortal crag]

reread what i said cornball

i raid

fury tho

so the 2h would be great for now

since 2h raid only drops from avnguard

but

[thick kelp]

Yeah neck is most likely your best bet in that case. Its super well statted for arm

[mortal crag]

its only on raid and im bench half time cuz trial/huge roster/cringe

[thick kelp]

im talking to this blueeye

[mortal crag]

ur mom is a blueeye

:3

[thick kelp]

:3

any cool tats recently

[mortal crag]

wake up, send 80 crests on chest, logo ut

actually ye

i got hit by a car so i had like 2-3 weeks off work omegalul

[thick kelp]

holy

[mortal crag]

but i did some nice stuff esp some black and grey

i did a realism tattoo!!!
its my 3rd ever

u wanna see it

[thick kelp]

show

[mortal crag]

well more like 5th ever i guess

[thick kelp]

sick asf

[mortal crag]

based gamabunta tattoo as well

[thick kelp]

very based

hella clean

esp the bands metal plate

[mortal crag]

this one was like

10 hours of work at a covnention

no breaks

[thick kelp]

broly my goat

[mortal crag]

least jacked warrior main btw

and least insane

[thick kelp]

real

[mortal crag]

ye had a good run

i hate being a trial

[thick kelp]

xff

[mortal crag]

UNBENCH ME YOU FOOL

[thick kelp]

2nd warrior and trial

basically a 3rd class citizen atp

(thats me too rn)

[mortal crag]

legit was told im healer prio for egar

OMEGALUL

its not even an insane guild

its like

wr400-500

[thick kelp]

tell me man

[mortal crag]

i just cba hof/3day

(we've been 3daying for the past 3 weeks and i hate it)

[thick kelp]

bro

cheating actually

advertising as 2 day and then going 3 days for X weeks

[mortal crag]

i mean

week 1 was obv

we dont split

so we did lfr nm hc

week 2 was lfr nm hc + some myth ig

week 3 was nm hc + nwe bosses nm+hc + some myth

i hope we drop the nm

[thick kelp]

surely by now

my guild is back to 2 days now

and we drop nm

[vapid pine]

Wtf kinda roster do you have if you need normal week 3

[thick kelp]

28 loot starved ppl

chatting

[mortal crag]

what do i send my last 40 heroics on

@thick kelp spot on btw

6 healers, 2 tanks, 20 dps

🙂

(the raidlead and officer team are full funnel btw)

[thick kelp]

can u get nexus king neck?

[mortal crag]

i doubt ill even be on nexus king

[thick kelp]

tradition

[mortal crag]

its a 2005 guild

mate

[thick kelp]

cheers

[mortal crag]

theyre playing it like its 2005

ETA GG

[thick kelp]

send belt / boots idfk

sim neck send maybe too

[mortal crag]

i was thinking to craft one or the other next week tbf

[thick kelp]

super neck for arms

[mortal crag]

since no gear anyways

ETAGG

[thick kelp]

etagg

[mortal crag]

yeah its a cracked neck

[thick kelp]

got the wedding ring from my box today

[mortal crag]

no trinket?

[thick kelp]

from pit

[mortal crag]

wedding ring m beloved

i have other ring but idk if its worth

[thick kelp]

guidon is mid for slarms atleast from my sims

[mortal crag]

like i have both nexus rings

it is but

puzzle is even more mid

[thick kelp]

its just good cuz it lines up with ravager lol

[mortal crag]

and no vorasius or plume

[thick kelp]

idk my puzzle mogged all other trinkets

[mortal crag]

guidon was like

0.2% better

lul

in st and aoe tests

like in 8t 1m

and in 1t 5m

[thick kelp]

my only upgrades RN are like mythic heart/mythic plume

might have kinda stacked trinks

I think hc heart/plume are ups too

since I have norm plume + myth pbox

[mortal crag]

they are

plume is like a 2% aoe upgrade LMAO

on hc

heart is like 1% aoe/st

[thick kelp]

plume is crazy good

[mortal crag]

how much would u say

is slarms dependant on

good tank positioning/kiting/gathering

[thick kelp]

not alot tbh

[mortal crag]

i feel like its inasne

like

[thick kelp]

compared to colossus atleast

[mortal crag]

na just in general

cuz

we cleave from ourselves

with both cleave and slaeyr strike

so if i dont sit on mobs i dont deal damage type shi

[thick kelp]

i mean its compared to other specs

more dependant

[mortal crag]

yeah i mean

[thick kelp]

cuz cleave is a cringe 180 cone

[mortal crag]

compared to feral or rogue or dk

[thick kelp]

atleast reap is 360

rogue kinda dependant

cuz it cleaves around its target

[mortal crag]

outlaw

butn ot all

i play w a buncha friends, our tank is kinda new and struggling a bit etc so i dont blame him for not being monksea

but im just

always behind them lulw

the other 2dps

i do 160 overalls

[thick kelp]

which dps tho

xff

[mortal crag]

dk

feral

rogue

mostly phys

idk its pointless to say which dps cuz if i get a fuckin 20 parse log that shows i did 155 overall but i can do 175

i played wrong

surely

but then i do a similar key with another tank and i do a bit more

like i did a monksea key where i did the same dam as turbo and tomelvis as fury

(yippeee!!)

i go fury now

and im 20k below everyone else

i go arms and same

and its not like arms is hard to play as slayer

cleave on cd, sd on cd

[thick kelp]

yeah

really just dependant on

[unreal zephyr]

arms or fury

[thick kelp]

how stacked the mobs r

leave range not that massive

pretty sure dk mogs you if hes uh tho

and feral too

ngl

[mortal crag]

both unh feral y

[mortal crag]

doesnt matter

[thick kelp]

yeah

[mortal crag]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/ragish?zone=47

my 16s were great, my 17s make me look carried

multi r1 logs on 16s (as fury)

keep in mind ive been slarms for like 3 days

[calm hollow]

idk if i should take that weapon, trinket is huge

[mortal crag]

279?

ofc trinket wtf

LULW

myth track bis trinket that saves u 20 myth crests vs. weapon

[thick kelp]

wait for reclear angle

[mortal crag]

unless hes the guild rockstar hes not getting that trinket

[thick kelp]

i mean m+ logs very fake cuz

u are 99% dependant on your tank

[calm hollow]

got like 5 myth track from raid, idk if i will get the trinket too

[mortal crag]

thats why i asked

about the tank question

its also like

im doing 20k less damage on a 18

vs

9 other wrariors

and 2 of them are chinese

[calm hollow]

and i cant even use the weapon for a week, cause embelish is on my current weap and cant craft

[thick kelp]

dont compare yourself to chinese om

[mortal crag]

yy

i dont

i compare to other warrs

but

they all do more

by a lot

lulw

[slow saddle]

i mean are ya keys ideal

setup for u ?

[mortal crag]

wym

comp wise?

brew, resto sham, feral

so yeah

not sure if unh is ideal for the damage profile

we did a couple rogue keys and it felt super clean

but the unh is tank's friend

like i said earlier tank is inexperienced

[thick kelp]

the uh just steals your aoe

[mortal crag]

so im taking it with a grain of salt

[thick kelp]

and tank needs to pull big with stacks

[mortal crag]

brodie crit plays with a ret

and unh

and still does

[thick kelp]

real

[mortal crag]

20k more overalls than me

so ima call cap on that

[thick kelp]

yeah but they do half the pulls vs your tank

in that pit 18

Xd

[mortal crag]

i cant inject copium

wym half the pulls

ah like, bigger pulls?

[slow saddle]

yea

also biggest game changer is mobs into bosses

as arms

[mortal crag]

ok told my tank to lock in

[mortal crag]

we cleave on that right?

cuz of fob?

slarms not colo

fuck colo

[slow saddle]

both do

like

colo gains significantly more st yes

but if u have 3 targets slayer arms also slaps man

[mortal crag]

send cleaves for cleave+slam dam right?

3target cleave u just prio cleave over MS? or

[slow saddle]

ye

well theres 2 things r

so

cleave at 3 targets keeps the dmg buff thingy up

and so does ms

so u get insane uptime on maintarget:D and yes fob is mad as well

the free HS sends with cleave

[thick kelp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nal6BQksp7w send him this vod

[mortal crag]

he has it from alfa's pov

alfa is also uploading vods

i sent him alfa's youtube yday

[slow saddle]

ngl Crit plays with gamers

[mortal crag]

we tried a few aa17 pulls and

the one with rogue we did

(aka the best one)

it clicked

and we like

fucking blasted the pull

[thick kelp]

ncie

but u can see how they r doing a 19 with like 2mins more time

[mortal crag]

we also had

on our 18

2 rlly silly stuff

healer forgor to speak to 1st camp

dk went to do it after we did 5/6 lulw

burned an entire minute

+death skip for him to get to us

[thick kelp]

ome

[mortal crag]

then heal

clicked bl

1s too early

on last boss

🙂

so u can safely add 2min to our timer

omegalul

[thick kelp]

compared your log to crits 19

your cleavs are abit low on dam

and ur reaps did like 10mil less overall

ur cleave did 13mill les

with around 40 less cleave casts

[mortal crag]

i probs dont cast it enough

but ur also saying my cleaves dont hit as many mobs

i assume

[thick kelp]

jst by looking at your logs I think you just pull smaller at a time

yeah your cleave htis are 1.7k vs crits 2.2k

[mortal crag]

like

amount of hits, y?

[thick kelp]

y

mobs hit

[mortal crag]

y amount of hits is usually mob count or angles so its really tank dependnat

[thick kelp]

yr

just blame your tank and smile

:)

[mortal crag]

ffs

na

i need to get better too

i mean yeah

on my mordrim 17

which isnt logged

ofc

we had 9 deaths

and 2mins left

and

i did 170 on details

and here i did like 160?

idk

[thick kelp]

they count time in combat differently

so

[mortal crag]

yeye

ik

just catalyzed belt for 20 dps gain

am i cracked or

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wwEBr91LRx2ybugtpCQq8G

LUL

also my slayer arms sims

like almost 13k less than my fury

after raid i might send trinket

if i get heart on heroic maybe even

low chance but

heart or plume?

[thick kelp]

depends

for me plume sims 0.2% better

than heart

on identical ilvl

[thick kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q5zgbQthPuXsVQvPgGCqXM crazy sims

[astral yarrow]

man these sim numbers are depressing

[daring heron]

o thats in slarms m+ build

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/seww8q6sVZGJ9Mc7MYe3be

mine is similar

[thick kelp]

79k ...

cheatings

[bleak fog]

Need a nerf for sure

[sharp dust]

Ngl Slayer in M+ is super fun

[daring heron]

yeye

[bleak fog]

Can’t be over 50

[thick kelp]

meanwhile colossus in m+ build https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9jH5ViuPFZQqfQwvfa4uyp

omegalul

[safe jay]

depressing indeed

[mortal crag]

crt

crit

crit57 how do i become better

[radiant sonnet]

Play more 🤣

[slow saddle]

Geif col another 20k st

[mortal crag]

ok yeah blue plume is like

huge

insane buff

for me

lulw

0.4% in ST and 2% in aoe

OMEGALUL

[thick kelp]

crazy

[mortal crag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tsVVbxwAau2cUBwviXBrpV

[nimble yoke]

weren't we meant to get a catalyst charge this week

[mortal crag]

do i start raiding as arms KEKW

[bleak fog]

So what are you guys running in M+?

[daring heron]

slayer

protecting my last braincell

[astral yarrow]

[bleak fog]

🙂

[astral yarrow]

WAIT THAT ICON IS AN AXE

[delicate turret]

Are we doing slayer in Mythic?

mostly

[tacit crystal]

critcakecincosiete por que haces cs bs cleave contras cs cleave bs

[bleak fog]

Been running MT for the most, need to try slayer out some

[astral yarrow]

worst part is you dont even need to know spanish to understand that sentence

[tacit crystal]

cincosiete o

[astral yarrow]

"cs bs cleave contra cs cleave bs" is all you need to understand

[mortal crag]

@daring heron how are u guys tracking kicks

w handycd?

[daring heron]

well i currently dont

[rare kite]

crit actually beating me on sims coz of rings

[daring heron]

we just call them

[mortal crag]

alfa does

[thick kelp]

??

[mortal crag]

alfa literally tracks cds

on kicks

somehow

😠

[rare kite]

it's a parrot

[astral yarrow]

windu tools i think does it

[thorn field]

what else would it be

[arctic yarrow]

Do we want haste or crit for recklessness stat

[astral yarrow]

I though the icon was like a mossy rock until now

[daring heron]

i literally dont want to because i'll have to answer yet another ui question 50 times a day if i use it

[mortal crag]

LMAO

[thorn field]

should i tell you the icon for blink on mages is a sideprofile of a dwarf?

and not an amorphous blob xD

[mortal crag]

ur so real queen

[mortal crag]

windtools is awful

elvui windtools that is

[boreal quartz]

Correct

[astral yarrow]

windtools has 1 good addition

[daring heron]

wildutools probably

[astral yarrow]

which is the group finder thing

[astral yarrow]

yeah that one

[astral yarrow]

no one uses blink so its always shimmer, which is a purple/pinkish blob

[boreal quartz]

@daring heron is the 57 birth year or current age

[thorn field]

67

[willow quarry]

how demolish exactly works ? 3rd strike is aoe in front of target or doesnt matter ( its says enemies within 8 yds of it ) . I sometimes kinda feel its not hitting everything thou ;/

[boreal quartz]

Tung^3

[mortal crag]

do we keep track of opporrtunidt or

not really

ah nvm

its not a M+ thing

[thick kelp]

Opportunist does more aoe

did you know

[mortal crag]

i didnt, no

do i sim?

[astral yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-dont-know-now-you-know-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-seven-bucks-you-understand-it-now-gif-25538419

[daring heron]

Yeah

[astral yarrow]

sim good

[mortal crag]

why didnt critcake tell us in his new video/every 30min into his stream?

ur fault imo

57

[astral yarrow]

i cant play if i dont have crit whisper my rotation in my ear

[mortal crag]

i need crit keyboard pov

while i play

to tell me what button to press

also its a 3k dps gain in 8t/1m

kekw

[astral yarrow]

not much time to press OP during the 30 sec of bladestorm

[thick kelp]

aoe gain st loss

[daring heron]

critcake custom bigwigs voice pack, thoughts?

[thick kelp]

waiting

[limber apex]

Do you guys feel like the arms rotation is smooth and fun rn ?

[daring heron]

slayer is actually decent imo

except execute rage

[thick kelp]

gotta respect the op rage threshhold of 90

[daring heron]

unless you spend 50 points for full exe package

[astral yarrow]

FSY has giga on a voicepack for BW

[limber apex]

Nice

Did any of you guys play Arms slayer in raids ? I guess the only CD that needs to line up is to only use blade storm during smash ? Rest is pop off cd?

[dim basalt]

on heroic you can play anything you want

[thick kelp]

yeah

[dim basalt]

on mythic however...

[rare kite]

arms kinda owned on vorasius mythic last week when i played it

[limber apex]

Is fury that much better rn still ?

[dim basalt]

Mostly, tho it doesnt really matter for the first 4 bosses because theyre ez

And Arms is much better on Vanguard

[thick kelp]

Arms is better on last 4

[astral yarrow]

meanwhile you'd rather bring basically any other melee

[thick kelp]

last 5 even

[dim basalt]

Does that include MoD?

[astral yarrow]

xdd

mother of dragons

[thick kelp]

arms is better on both march bosses

and better on crown, paladins, dragons

[dim basalt]

🤔

[thick kelp]

even first boss tbh

[dim basalt]

Hows it better on dragons

[thick kelp]

idk

[dim basalt]

Crown I can kinda see

[thick kelp]

how is a 2t spec

better at 2t

than a non 2t spec

🤔

[dim basalt]

Maybe Im still dooming too much in my head

[astral yarrow]

i am dooming enough to tell my rl that im not touching warrior rest of tier

[thick kelp]

reasonable tbh

[dim basalt]

That was me last season

[thick kelp]

any other melee does it better

[vapid pine]

Fury might out-overall on Dragons, but it's mostly pad on orbs tbh

[astral yarrow]

imma go hard on the survival dream

double dagger meme isnt a meme there

[thick kelp]

double dagger pack leader

holy moly

[astral yarrow]

issue is i want axe tmog from mythic l'ura

[dim basalt]

I havent seen a single pack leader sv all season

[astral yarrow]

but i guess i have to get warrior bis sometime before next tier

[thick kelp]

yeah deep farm so you can reclear once for fullbis

[brave silo]

is sweeping strikes based off player position or target position?

[astral yarrow]

player

[thick kelp]

player

[brave silo]

ty - and can it hit targets behind you?

[astral yarrow]

we havent seen any gazes drop outside 1 normal 1 hc first week

[astral yarrow]

yes

[thick kelp]

yes

[thick kelp]

gg

[brave silo]

baller

[astral yarrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223266654572773376/1295987834712231967/ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[mortal crag]

whats this thing

[thick kelp]

pressing OP if you have less than 90 rage and have charges of OP left

actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower,if=buff.opportunist.up&talent.opportunist
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower,if=talent.fierce_followthrough&!buff.battlelord.up&rage<90
actions.slayer_execute+=/execute,if=rage>40|buff.sudden_death.up
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower
actions.slayer_execute+=/execute,if=talent.improved_execute```

[mortal crag]

wait what

if i have fierce followthrough and less than 90 rage

OP is higher prio than exec?

idk how to read

[thick kelp]

and if you dont have a blord proc

[unique bridge]

Is there anyway to track a HS proc on CDM?

[thick kelp]

track slam

[mortal crag]

thats only if i play FF tho

right

[thick kelp]

basically that line is if your MS is on CD and you have less than 90 rage you press OP and with FF

[thick kelp]

yeah

[mortal crag]

if i play opportunist then i just prio overpower if no MS

right?

[thick kelp]

with opportunist its top prio with the buff up and below 40 rage exes if natty

[mortal crag]

shi i might try oppo

[thick kelp]

very simple

(not)

[mortal crag]

which ones simpler

[thick kelp]

opportunist

imo

[unique bridge]

I don't see slam anywhere in the lists? @thick kelp

[mortal crag]

hes saying just add slam

to ur cdm

[thick kelp]

yeah thats cuz its the execut phase list

ohlol

xD

[mortal crag]

SD exec takes prio over OP?

wait lemme see if i get it on exec phase

[unique bridge]

how tf do you see that

[thick kelp]

SD is same prio as 40+ rage execute

idk how to explain it

[tropic crest]

Is Arcui working properly?

[mortal crag]

1. ms on 2stacks
2. op
3. exec if rage above 40 and SD
4. op
5. exec

[unique bridge]

Is that an advanced CDM addon thing? cause it aint in base

[mortal crag]

no

just open ur cdm

[thick kelp]

ms on 2stacks
op if rage is less than 90 OR your opportunist buff is up
exec if rage above 40 and SD
op
exec

[unique bridge]

Am I fucken dumb?

[thick kelp]

Create a new profile

[wet current]

trying to figure out what i'm doing wrong or if it's just by design. I way outgear normal, but my guild is casual and we move at our own pace. on normal raid bosses using a standard slayer single target build on bosses. It feels like there are periods of time that i'm just very rage starved. is this the dev team wanting us to manage rage differently? since dragonflight i've only played arms, and you mostly never had to worry about rage lol

[thick kelp]

for your cdm from the bottom

sometimes it misses spells for no reason

[unique bridge]

omg

yeah there it is

wtf

ty

[mortal crag]

ok so op if rage less than 90 OR if opportunist buff is purely just based on what talent tree we play

correct?

[thick kelp]

yeah

and if your MS is on CD

holly fuckkk i hate this spec

sometimes

[mortal crag]

yeah ms on cd

ait

is collat important to tracknowadays or not rly

i feel like not rly rigth?

[dim basalt]

Not really tbh

[mortal crag]

i kinda set it up so i have the "OMG CLICK NOW" on one side

and the "be aware it exists" on the other

and then REND AAAAAAAAA in the middle

im genuinely indescribably bad on rend uptime

i also hate that i can refresh rend on main target but not on side targets

[storm ruin]

What do you guys think is best to take ?

[mortal crag]

so buff exists on screen but not on smallies

[old glacier]

Okay, fuck. The slayer m+ build feels really nice to play.

[last saddle]

Yeah I’m mad I gotta play Colo m+ to refine my pally senses

[old glacier]

I must be doing something wrong on colossus as I feel the damage difference isn't even that high.

Sometimes I'm higher with slayer

[sinful pilot]

Yeah tried some keys on slayer yesterday instead of my usual fury and I feel like I've seen the light

So damn nicer

[wet current]

it is for sure nice not being stuck in place for demolish, but now i've played colossus so long, slayer feels odd lol

[ionic mica]

You can pad on orbs as arms as well 🙂

[vapid pine]

Not at computer atm, can we track FF?

[vapid pine]

Mayhaps, but people tend not to in logs so far

[mortal crag]

i think i might send arms for heroic today with guild

do i just play st on everything?

[ionic mica]

I think if I didn't mess up a CS and fat finger a demolish I would've done 200k

Maybe just under

But my guild are allergic to orbs for some reason

[sinful pilot]

Good thing my guild is basically stuck with me as their sole war and I can prolly negociate playing arms in myth

[old glacier]

Did arms on crown last week. I did so fucking badly.

[ionic mica]

Colo aoe on paladins, the rest you could either slayer ST or throw in a couple of sweeping talents

[mortal crag]

tyty

[ionic mica]

Dragons even on heroic the 2t with 100% sweeping feels very nice

[rare kite]

i'll do arms on crown this week to see

[old glacier]

It was 100% a player issue.

You will do fine probably

[mortal crag]

so are these fine for almost all raid encounters or?

[old glacier]

I refused to pad on the adds though.

[rare kite]

prob not xD

[old glacier]

Just check the wowhead or icy veins guides.

[mortal crag]

thats what i did its slayer m+ lulw

[rare kite]

things not gonna live long enough with all those pad talents

[hoary fossil]

swear the patchwerk sim just gaslights people to play fury war instead

[sinful pilot]

Also I wanted to ask, in m+ what's the cd on bladestorm ? Feel like sometimes I get it on multiple cs in a row

[mortal crag]

i think i just full send ST on everything

[worn sparrow]

Tried checking #dps-faq but couldnt find an answer: for arms M+, what's the best way to sim ourselves?

[old glacier]

Your execute proc lowers it so sometimes it comes up real fast.

[sinful pilot]

Yeah yeah ik

On fury I'm used on getting it every 40-50 secs

[old glacier]

You can try dungeon slice or patchwer multi target 1 minute maybe?

[mortal crag]

fury and arms reduce it the same way

just via SD now

[sinful pilot]

But on arms idk if I'm tripping or I can get it back in 20

[mortal crag]

u can just get lucky

[astral yarrow]

its basically about whether you go to the 5min st sim with relevant talents and trinkets church or you subscribe to the belief of dungeon slice, hectic add cleave or some combination of all of the above and variable fight times

[sinful pilot]

Tripping it is then

[old glacier]

Slice and dice doubles it I believe? The execute proc?

Always forget what the talent is called.

I might be pulling that out of my ass.

[mortal crag]

a 3rd, better option

[worn sparrow]

I mean yeah, I dont have a preference for any of these 2 churches 🤣 Was just wondering if any of othe 2 is actually the best

[mortal crag]

raid sim:
regular 1t 5min full buffs

m+ sim (trust me im goated):
2 sim variants

1t 4min ONLY RELEVANT BUFFS TO UR COMP

8t 1min ONLY RELEVANT BUFFS TO UR COMP

then run them again but without BL

so m+ is 4 sims total

[astral yarrow]

miss me with that shit

[mortal crag]

is it horribly minmaxy? yes

is it based? yes

[slow saddle]

I hope wft

[astral yarrow]

nothing about that amount of simming will help me press buttons better

[azure basalt]

Coming from fury is it okey to have a lot of mastery, haste and a bit of critical strike ?

[worn sparrow]

thats what I do for my hunter 🙏

thanks

[astral yarrow]

i generally believe in just simming 5min st and using relevant trinkets and talents

[dim basalt]

Its not the end of the world

[astral yarrow]

then using other simulations for specific questions, like "what is the main target damage looking like in a 8 target pull" or "does priority change from 3 to 6 targets"

5min st will always be the most up to date and optimized APL

there is always extra targets taken into account, but much less time is spent working on optimizing 8 target APL

Fishy does a decent amount of multi target work, but brunt of the collaborative work is done on the ST APL

[old glacier]

You know that parse you want to burn in fire and secretly openly hope goes away forever? That was my crown. Worst part is that it's my only kill so everyone will see it. 😭

[slow saddle]

Fierce followthrough no?

[astral yarrow]

whatever you choose to do, just continue using it so every gearing decision is taken from the same standpoint

cant go changing context every time you sim and the vibe be algethar first pull today

[old glacier]

If only I mythic raided I would have something to use all those crests on.

[astral yarrow]

99.9% of optimization is your button presses rather than if you have 3% more crit than mastery

[rare kite]

sometimes it be like that. 99 on a boss then a grey after

[astral yarrow]

i have two wolves within me

[mortal crag]

basedge

[mortal crag]

me when i r1 a 16 and r0 a 17

big difference between those 2 numbers lemme tell ya

[astral yarrow]

im not even sure how key parses work outside of viewing them as a meme

[tame trout]

Heya, I started arms late, and I havent crafted anything yet but I'm nearly at 80 myth crests. I got a 3/6 heroic weapon with crit haste. Should I craft a different item, or should I still craft myth weapon?

[slow saddle]

Weap

[tame trout]

Sold

[slow saddle]

Weap at 80 crest ( myth crest?

[tame trout]

Yep

[old glacier]

Big weapon good.

[slow saddle]

Make a sword

[old glacier]

Zugzug

[tame trout]

Okay, sword it is

with hunt embel?

[slow saddle]

Y

[sinful pilot]

Is there a crafted strength hammer?

[slender sonnet]

I have two wolves inside me

[slow saddle]

Dno its not a sword

[slender sonnet]

[tame trout]

And then whats second craft after wep?

bracers? Loa ring?

ANOTHER BIG SWORD

[slow saddle]

Bracer

[sinful pilot]

Bis would be bracers

Personally I did belt

[slow saddle]

Cloak

[astral yarrow]

early season it depends on what your luck with mythic loot is

[naive steeple]

But why bracers? I mean, isn't that the same status effect that any other crafted item can give?

[astral yarrow]

but endgame bis setup is with bracers as that (+cloak) is the lowest budget slot to lose 3 ilvls on

[sinful pilot]

Because crafted can't get max ilvl and braces don't give much stats

[delicate turret]

does slayer just feel a bit shit in low keys because of tanks over pulling and target caps?

[naive steeple]

Aaaah

[astral yarrow]

if immediate power is your thing, you just craft on your tier slot offpiece

[naive steeple]

But by the time you reach a point where all your items are mythic, you'll already have enough materials to craft another item later, right? So wouldn't crafting a level 285 item with lots of stats now be better?

[astral yarrow]

yes, thats what i mean with endgame being different than early season

early you want bang for you buck (crests)

late it doesnt matter and you just want the best potential setup

[rare kite]

nah arms. feels shit coz things don't live long enough

[astral yarrow]

or you can fill your unlucky slots with good items

[sinful pilot]

Prolly gonna craft a cloak personally

275 with a champion cloak, feelsbad

[delicate turret]

+++ing 10's but lowest dmg feelsbad.

[naive steeple]

Can someone show me a comparison between the stats that a bracer gives and another item?

[rare kite]

oh you mean in like average keys? idk i top most of the them

feels strong t ome

[astral yarrow]

you can just find random bracers/cloak at same ilvl and compare

but bracers/cloak is lowest, boots/shoulder/belt and lastly helm/chest/legs

from lowest to highest budget

[azure basalt]

Sure but is it bad or okayish ?

[dim basalt]

Its fine

[naive steeple]

The problem is I'm not at home, but the best way would be to check with the crafting NPC.

[sinful pilot]

Its ok, on slayer you'll be prolly fine

[astral yarrow]

can just take my word for it my man

266 cloak and bracers has the same amount of stam, strength and cumulative secondaries

[naive steeple]

I believe you xD I just wanted to see how different it is.

[astral yarrow]

the 2 lowest budget groups arent that different, but being 275 with low budget slots at high ilvl and 275 with chest/helm/legs/wep/trinkets are not the same in the slightest

[calm hollow]

getting declined from 10s in 279 is just cringe

[oblique lodge]

time to change my stats from 1.1k haste and 200 crit

to play arms

hell yeah

[astral yarrow]

your class isnt S tier on petkos list

sucks to suck

[calm hollow]

[crisp mesa]

is this game dead or where are the players lmao

[unreal zephyr]

what stats do u want as arms

[calm hollow]

i cant even make it more crit (unbuffed)

[old glacier]

279 God damn

[mortal crag]

how are we rating the arms drip

[old glacier]

Never been a fan of the straps on that weapon.

[oblique lodge]

i like my straps on somethng else fr

[oblique lodge]

=)))) i have 12% crit , 36% mastery 28% haste

[calm hollow]

[oblique lodge]

exactly

[calm hollow]

haste is fine tho

[novel jackal]

[vapid pine]

Is there anything interesting to optimize on 2t or is it just ST rotation + Sweeping strikes when down?

[novel jackal]

You have too much mastery

[scenic umbra]

Just farm rings / neck and you ll be alright

[olive nest]

I believe I have
1047 Crit
1041 haste

And droptimizer has no upgrades for me outside of mythic raid

So you want those stats roughly but always sim

[sinful pilot]

Time to go farm that pit of saron

[mellow seal]

Should i be holding CDs a bit to keep up sweeping strikes time. i.e. casting warbreaker might override the last 4-5 hits of sweeping

then there is a down time where no sweeping is up

[olive nest]

Still no guidon after reclear.. feels omega bad

[sinful pilot]

Better luck next week

[olive nest]

Never hold CS ever unless you’re timing it for add spawns on a boss or if M+ and the pack is dead in a few globals anyway you’d hold it for next pack ofc

[late lantern]

Do we play slayer or colossus in m+?

[sinful pilot]

Either is fine

[inland drift]

either is fine c:

if you learn coll's aoe, it hits like a train

[sinful pilot]

Go with thee vibe

[oblique lodge]

cant mime the hype that i do not have..

[dim basalt]

no T3 👎

[sinful pilot]

Then go try both and find your mojo

[oblique lodge]

is t3 still around 2.5 mil?

[oblique lodge]

[dim basalt]

2.8 mil minimum