delete your /use fleeting and slap these item id's
#arms
marsh needle
delete your /use fleeting and slap these item id's
whcih one of those are recklessness
thick kelp
it will use fleeting max rank -> fleeting low rank -> normal high rank -> normal low rank
in that order
marsh needle
oh
marsh needle
nice
thick kelp
test it out
jolly nymph
should i use cleave with 3 stacks of collateral damage during aoe or just fuck it and spam cleave?
rancid charm
has anyone tried slayer on paladins mythic
tame trout
I just re rolled to arms, I'm sitting at 238 ilvl (doing 10s though just fine so farming gear) I got a hero 3/6 Garfrost two-ton hammer. Should I still craft a weapon? Or should I craft two other things?
vivid linden
Still doesnt work
nova marsh
Yall ever just had people dissappear off the face of the earth
marsh cove
Hello guys, im new war arms player, can someone tell me a good site or streamer to learn best rotations (especially in MM+) and how to midmax my damages pls ?
wind hatch
should i use cleave with 3 stacks of collateral damage during aoe or just fuck i...
spam it
the only time you ever think about collateral damage is during 2 targets
unborn basin
How big of a loss is it not having a shaman in the group?
marsh needle
Still doesnt work
it's a UI issue then, one of your addons is blocking it
try turning off all your addons, then turn them back on 1 by 1 and test
vivid linden
try turning off all your addons, then turn them back on 1 by 1 and test
Didnt work =/
nova marsh
Demo has been canceled twice
To be fair one of them was due to ETERNAL GREED
Best news thou
First 10 timed
ocean moth
what was the change? O_o
ocean moth
ahhhh
torn rivet
oi lads
in raid scenarios, we only use slam to dump when close to full rage innit?
if nothing to press we just afk?
ocean moth
that im not sure, still learning
wind hatch
just wanna confirm did the colo change go live
its coming out in the .5 patch
not yet
torn rivet
yea trying to learn it too, feels scuffed to Not press anything for a little
ocean moth
i came from fury so i feel u lol
minor ivy
guys - crit neck or myth track solarflare prism?
current trinkets are hero track solarflare prism and light company guidon
(not M raiding this tier)
raw sapphire
How does one change the skin of details to the original look? it looks aweful default
minor ivy
original look? - you go options and change the textures under 'bars general' etc
nova marsh
Even if solar isnt best sim
Myth track m+ trinkies are hard to pass on when theyre good
minor ivy
Yeah thats kinda what I thought but it's also prob my bis neck if I'm not m raiding
but its just a neck
wind hatch
just sim it
graceful light
are any mythic bosses puggable rn?
river ridge
Probably the very first one in Void spire?
unborn basin
How's arms without a shaman in m+ group?
river ridge
After that? <_<;
river ridge
How's arms without a shaman in m+ group?
Slayer is mostly fine, Colossus don't do it.
unborn basin
Slayer is mostly fine, Colossus don't do it.
o7
ocean moth
why not colossus? D:
minor ivy
Whats ur nexk rn
its in photo
dim basalt
First 2 and chimaerus are puggable
sacred summit
how is critcake doing 180k overall in keys and im doing dobby damage
kekw
i cant seem to outdamage my fury spec as arms in keys
minor gust
because theres like 10+ different things that go into overall
sacred summit
my ST especially is straight doodoo
wind hatch
Slayer is mostly fine, Colossus don't do it.
colossus is fine without a shaman
minor gust
keep practicing
sacred summit
do i hold avatar for colo smash and demo?
minor gust
always same with ravager. Always hold those two cds for CS
sacred summit
and do i hold demo for colo smash? and do i send colo smash when up (provided the thing im hitting isnt about to die)
wind hatch
and do i hold demo for colo smash? and do i send colo smash when up (provided th...
always send cs off cd
and send whatever cooldowns you have with it
sacred summit
ah gotcha
hold ravager and avatar and demolish for cs
send cs off cd
arms cds seem wonkier than fury
wind hatch
yeah it does take a bit of getting used to
dense hound
Are we aiming to use Heroic strike when it's up, or still treat it as filler slam?
sacred summit
so we should be getting 2 cs per avatar right
so it should be 1 cs with avatar and 1 without?
also are most ppl going slayer in m+ not colo?
what the helly
rose stratus
you can do either one tbh
minor gust
so it should be 1 cs with avatar and 1 without?
pretty much yes
dense hound
also are most ppl going slayer in m+ not colo?
Slayers has better ST
sacred summit
ive been using colo but i just looked at murlok and it seems a bit more ppl are going slayer
minor gust
also both slayer and colo are good its all preference
nova marsh
Are we aiming to use Heroic strike when it's up, or still treat it as filler sla...
I believe its above op in prio
Try it
See if you like it
sacred summit
also both slayer and colo are good its all preference
doesnt colo do more damage tho
rose stratus
if ur bad at slayer yes
sacred summit
specifically with funnel to the prio target
minor gust
do you just like not believe me or something?
sacred summit
no i always trust but verify dont take offense to it
hexed saddle
doesnt colo do more damage tho
colossus or slayer doesnt have bearing on funnel
the funnel comes from FoB
minor gust
both have funnel colo is just slightly better at it
sacred summit
the funnel comes from FoB
fob? u mean tier set?
blissful tinsel
this game trolling me
sacred summit
also im in the process of learning how arms works so i gotta ask
its hard for me to play things well if i dont understand it
nova marsh
this game trolling me
The duality of man
hexed saddle
fob? u mean tier set?
tierset as well but, no, i meant fob
nova marsh
Its okay my rogue had a crap vault and I just took a myth upgrade to occ of void
minor gust
no i always trust but verify dont take offense to it
colo is gonna do more overall because of its high aoe, but slayer brings a more balanced dmg profile. Both are good you can play either one to high success
sacred summit
ah gotcha thanks
nova marsh
colo is gonna do more overall because of its high aoe, but slayer brings a more ...
Also demolish FUCKS in lasher pack
rose stratus
also slayer still has really solid aoe even if colo is the "aoe spec"
sacred summit
also, for our 4p tier bonus, is it either hit 1 target with ms or hit 3 with cleave
nova marsh
SO good
rose stratus
Also demolish FUCKS in lasher pack
this too
minor gust
like sure you can say slayer does less dmg, but if you are still beating every other spec in overall
then like it doesnt matter
play whats you enjoy more and you will do better than if you were playing a spec you dislike
sacred summit
also, for our 4p tier bonus, is it either hit 1 target with ms *or* hit 3 with c...
or is it hit 3 targets with ms or hit 3 targets with cleave
wording is kinda confusing
sacred summit
cant u do that with whirlwind+ms
rose stratus
you're pressing whirlwind?
sacred summit
no, which is why i asked loool
nova marsh
rose stratus
no for the tier set u just need to hit 1 guy with ms
sacred summit
ive been told dont press whirlwind just use cleave or bladestorm lol
hexed saddle
cleave replaces ww
rose stratus
yeah i have that shit off my bars
nova marsh
You shouldnt have ww
rose stratus
same thing with slam on fury
sacred summit
i dont. which is why i was confused but thanks for clearin it up
tiny sable
feelin like christmas eve rn
nova marsh
feelin like christmas eve rn
What am I looking at
sacred summit
wtf lmao critcake outdamaging unholy in big aoe pull
tiny sable
What am I looking at
vault
nova marsh
Ahhh okay
sacred summit
play whats you enjoy more and you will do better than if you were playing a spec...
yea thats true 100%. i dont like or dislike anything right now just trying it out so i gotta learn
does arms do more overall than fury rn in keys
minor gust
I havent touched fury at all this expansion but very likely
wind hatch
I havent touched fury at all this expansion but very likely
from what i've seen yes
dim basalt
yeah Arms is like 30% ahead in aoe
sacred summit
crazy lmao
gotta practice more arms i guess lmaoo
dim basalt
Cleave is overtuned
sacred summit
peak aoe for me in pulls of 5 or more was around the same as my my fury i think
but my st was straight ass
more dummy hittin and key grindin for me ig
does furystill lead in raid tho
minor gust
crazy lmao
gotta practice more arms i guess lmaoo
TBH this isnt just me trying to convert you to slayer or anything, but if you are new to arms all together slayer is a lot more straight forward and forgiving to play due to its 360 aoe.
dim basalt
Raid encounters are better for Fury ye
nova marsh
TBH this isnt just me trying to convert you to slayer or anything, but if you ar...
Frozen dont lie
It totally is
minor gust
Slayer and colo dont play that much different from each other so Slayer would be a good start to learn the core spec on
rare kite
TBH this isnt just me trying to convert you to slayer or anything, but if you ar...
someone tells me to play colossus i turn 360 degrees and walk away
minor gust
Amen
nova marsh
someone tells me to play colossus i turn 360 degrees and walk away
As the tank?
sacred summit
Raid encounters are better for Fury ye
sadge
i dont like to switch specs
nova marsh
sadge
i dont like to switch specs
Just play arms 🤷♂️
sacred summit
TBH this isnt just me trying to convert you to slayer or anything, but if you ar...
is it due to demo and cleave having to face all the targets or
latent moss
colossus or slayer doesnt have bearing on funnel
colossal might brodie
its actually kinda big
i didnt test it but id assume
tier has the most impact
dire hinge
TBH this isnt just me trying to convert you to slayer or anything, but if you ar...
honestly seconded.
Performance aside, it's much easier to explain Slayer
latent moss
colo is acquired taste idk how to put it
minor gust
is it due to demo and cleave having to face all the targets or
All of colos dmg is frontals. you be surprised how much peoples low aoe dmg is just from them missing cleaves or demolishes
latent moss
requires practice
hexed saddle
colossal might brodie
i mean like yeah but its the same sort of funnel that s3 tww fury had
dim basalt
colo is acquired taste idk how to put it
+1
sacred summit
ye ill practice some slayer
wind hatch
colo is acquired taste idk how to put it
true
hexed saddle
its like "funnel" but its really just more damage, not more ST damage
dire hinge
"Hey kid, welcome do Colossus, you see that Ravager button? It lets your Cleaves get used 4 times in a row but also you use cleave in execute while it's active, the button itself does no damage"
compared to
"Press bladestorm with CS gg"
latent moss
ye but its more prio dmg too
sacred summit
been hittin target dummies and did some 12s as colo but my dam wasnt great
hexed saddle
a little bit
latent moss
"Hey kid, welcome do Colossus, you see that Ravager button? It lets your Cleaves...
why do i cleave before bs
chatting
minor gust
thats some degenerate funnel tech for first boss PIT Crit is doing right now
hexed saddle
but what, its just the first 2 hits of demo that are like actual prio
nova marsh
Not the degen!
dire hinge
are they mind controlling the necromancer mob with a DK or
minor gust
CC necro and beat off unkillable adds for half the fight
dim basalt
lmao
minor gust
are they mind controlling the necromancer mob with a DK or
Nah just had it cc with para
dire hinge
classic yeah
sacred summit
so i assume if im demolishing and the adds move out i do no dam?
latent moss
considering how crazy heroic might is
dire hinge
ah, blood dk can yoink it and pump boss with it, it's very stupid. You get all its pets.
latent moss
its worth doing 100%
nova marsh
so i assume if im demolishing and the adds move out i do no dam?
If that happens flame your tank immediately
minor gust
so i assume if im demolishing and the adds move out i do no dam?
If they are moved out far enough yes demolish can miss
sacred summit
If that happens flame your tank immediately
lmaooooooo
nova marsh
Im only partly joking
Seriously arms is a very trollable spec in general
I love when I think weve stopped
And tanks pulls more after I press cs
Gg
dire hinge
whenever a tank runs off when the pack still has 70% hp 
dire hinge
bro just fold em in, would've gone faster
teal marsh
it feels by the time you line up a dmg combo the pack is dead in 10s
sacred summit
but cant slayer also miss cleaves
minor gust
it feels by the time you line up a dmg combo the pack is dead in 10s
do higher keys
minor gust
but cant slayer also miss cleaves
Yes but then you have reap the storm procs which is an 360 aoe
nova marsh
I got an 11 alrwady
sacred summit
like cleave being a frontal isnt a colo thing right
nova marsh
Gonna be fun after work
sacred summit
Yes but then you have reap the storm procs which is an 360 aoe
ah gotcha
minor gust
You are gonna lose far less dmg missing mobs with cleave as slayer than you would colo
cuz all of colos dmg is cleave
Slayer cleave doesnt do as much because it has reap
teal marsh
so cleave before colo?
minor gust
if your tank is doing some dumb pull and doing bad grouping mobs. Slayer gonna feel better there cuz you are just gonna press SD or BS and just not care
hit em all anyways
zealous lily
in aoe for slayer, do you bladestorm when its up or only with Colossus Smash?
minor gust
only with CS
dire hinge
save it for CS
goes for basically all content and builds
CS is your checkpoint for using cooldowns. If something comes up between your CS's, just save it for the next CS.
CS train don't stop for nobody 🚂
zealous lily
aight thx
river ridge
is ravenger and avatar something i can macro and slam or
Not really.
unborn basin
I know someone said slayer arms was fine w/o shaman, anybody know the specific % diff with in a perfect scenario?
dire hinge
is ravenger and avatar something i can macro and slam or
the problem is that Ravager and Avatar have different cooldown rates. They're both 1.5min, but due to Anger Management your Avatar will be back much sooner.
hot meteor
mhm got it
weak rain
Embrace colossus for st after 12.0.5
hot meteor
only reason im learning arms colossus is for raid paladins and maybe dragons
if we need boss dmg not pad
sacred summit
Slayer cleave doesnt do as much because it has reap
ohhh ok
rose matrix
Do either of the M+ builds actually follow an execute phase rotation, or do they just stick to the same ST rotation all the time?
dire hinge
of course, especially when fighting bosses
but it also applies in AoE packs when you whittle them down to 1-2 targets towards the end of the pull. Especially if those mobs have a lot of HP and outlast the other trash around them.
If you go to the Single Target Rotation page on WoWhead, just pick which build you're doing (Slayer or Colossus) and there will be both a normal rotation and an execute rotation 
you'll use it whenever there's 1-2 targets and they're low health
while you're at 3+ targets just do the AoE rotation instead
rose matrix
Gotcha. Last time I played Arms you ignored it in Colossus
languid torrent
@minor gust NGL i dogged on slayer m+ for awhile but sheeeiiitt this shit is so good
a little bit a haste and you actually get SD procs
minor gust
well this is the first time its actually good. Wasnt as close to colo for all of TWW
languid torrent
yea, i didnt play this spec in TWW
i only just really swapped this xpac. got turbo disappointed with ele after the prune. felt more like a shitty version of TWW launch version of ele and that was bad
minor gust
Well enjoy slarms while you can. Theres no guarantee it remains competitive once .5 drops
fossil thistle
We don't have a way to naturally proc this, correct
languid torrent
yea the changes arent my favorite but wcyd
minor gust
We don't have a way to naturally proc this, correct
no the only way is gloves from seat
fossil thistle
no the only way is gloves from seat
Ring combo too then I assume?
languid torrent
We don't have a way to naturally proc this, correct
bring back artifact wep shadow damage
fossil thistle
bring back artifact wep shadow damage
real
flint wind
how to track Heroic Strike via CDM?(
rose matrix
Just put slam in there
fossil thistle
Slam button changes
flint wind
thanks!
devout pewter
man, slayer kinda slays
fossil thistle
minor gust
Amen
fossil thistle
its the motion of the ocean not the size bro
dire hinge
just chug the arcantina flask that makes you bigglier (who needs a battle flask anyways)
fossil thistle
just chug the arcantina flask that makes you bigglier (who needs a battle flask ...
devout pewter
hah, true!
devout pewter
just for colossus a simple question though... What the fuck am I doing wrong that demolish and wb desync so much
dire hinge
mailbox for scale
devout pewter
not the same person
dire hinge
filmed in front of a live studio audience
devout pewter
left image is probably a gnome
dire hinge
just for colossus a simple question though... What the fuck am I doing wrong tha...
they both have different mechanisms that impact their CDR.
Demolish is only reduced by spamming MS and Cleave.
CS is reduced by rage spend.
It's common for Demolish to come up before CS is available again (unless you have downtime between packs, where you can't spam to get Demo stacks)
but it's normal for them to desync a bit. Just hold your Demo for your next CS
flint wind
its ok for newbie arms for start?)
devout pewter
it's actually the other way around for me for some reason: CS comes up before demolish
absolutely fine there fil
flint wind
absolutely fine there fil
thanks^
dire hinge
that probably means either downtime, or not enough MS usage.
Both Cleave and MS give you 1 stack.
If MS crits you can get 2 stacks (nice)
However, if you use Sweeping Strikes, your MS hits 2 targets, giving you up to 4 stacks in a single GCD.
So in AoE be sure to prioritize Cleave > MS > OP to keep stacks flowing in rapidly
devout pewter
thanks^
If it works for you, you're perfectly fine 😄 find the gel for yourself!
ok, so more SS and MS I guess
I especially suck at manually pulling SS after it goes away from CS
dire hinge
its ok for newbie arms for start?)
Do whatever works for your brain honestly, there's no wrong answer.
Generally i might recommend organizing your spells based on their category though.
- Colossus Smash, Avatar, and Bladestorm are your "major cooldowns".
- Charge and Leap are movement, but on two different bars
- Cleave is your most commonly pressed button in AoE, but it's mixed in with your utility buttons instead of near your other DPS buttons
robust cypress
We don't have a way to naturally proc this, correct
why is this red for you
mortal crag
what buff do we take on AA
hushed topaz
Increased healing taken
mortal crag
rare kite
i take crit
mortal crag
:3
dire hinge
crit good, vers at high keys isn't too shabby either
daring heron
i take crit
😳
dire hinge
rebranding to Verscake58
mortal crag
its 17
dire hinge
dealer's choice honestly, crit's probably fine still
if you find yourself dying probably vers
daring heron
if you take stance mastery like i do then you should never struggle to live
def stance with stance mastery is so strong
rare kite
it's dumb how strong it is. when we failed the memory game on lura i had no problem living, all other dps that didn't immune just died through all defensives
daring heron
only downside is no javelineer
flint wind
Do whatever works for your brain honestly, there's no wrong answer.
Generally i...
Thanks 😊
sacred zodiac
def stance with stance mastery is so strong
still insane how that made it to live
stark cape
Whats a good general missive to use on your crafted weapon if you swap between fury and arms. Haste / Vers?
Haste/Mastery Fury - Crit/Haste Arms = Haste/Something i'd assume. Ill just sim it all lol
Nvm looks like top parses are just using haste/mast as arms.
dire hinge
Is slayer the way when pugging m+
completely preference
red relic
playing around with arms ST for a bit on dummies and I find myself rage starved alot, is it regular or am i doing something wrong?
alot is probably an overstatement but theres windows where im just waiting for my auto
dire hinge
that's normal for execute phase, especially in colossus build. You want to only Execute at certain rage amounts and weave in OP more if you're under 75 rage
red relic
okay bet, ye feels weird having MS up but just having to wait
dire hinge
yeah, you only hold it during execute phase
ocean moth
anyone know if the wowhead slayer raid builds good? are they the move currently?
dire hinge
it depends on the raid boss and difficulty, check Warcraftlogs and filter to arms warrior + the raid difficulty you're doing to see which build to use
ocean moth
thanks Hrothmar
ocean moth
ahh ok ok
heady marlin
arms any good in raid?
latent moss
still insane how that made it to live
ngl its more insane how this dk class tree made it to live
the tree is legit jus
defensives and some utility
there are like 3 dmg nodes
its insane
deft osprey
myth wep over crafted wep + hunt?
marsh cove
Did Sweeping Strikes is usefull in aoe or only for dual target ? Like if i have 7 targets is it usefull for an eight one ?
dire hinge
myth wep over crafted wep + hunt?
depends on the myth weapon, so i'd sim it
deft osprey
vers mastery its poop
latent moss
Did Sweeping Strikes is usefull in aoe or only for dual target ? Like if i have ...
always
its very useful
dire hinge
Did Sweeping Strikes is usefull in aoe or only for dual target ? Like if i have ...
Extremely useful in AoE.
When your cleave hits 3 (or more) targets, you will automatically cast Slam on your primary target. Sweeping Strikes makes your hit two targets . This also applies to Heroic Strike, making you cast 2 heroic strikes and a Cleave with a single button press.
Also, you still use Mortal Strike in AoE, making you gain Colossal Might stacks rapidly (if you're playing Colossus)
unborn basin
when do you send sweeping as slayer?
dire hinge
if you're in M+, your Colossus Smash will give you Sweeping automatically, then you use the actual "Sweeping Strikes" button when it runs out to fill gaps
for raid, just press it whenever a second target appears
unborn basin
ahh okay
devout pewter
that probably means either downtime, or not enough MS usage.
Both Cleave and MS ...
Even if it was pretty obvious, thanks for the advice, went A LOT better after this!
Dunno why I didn't notice that my MS spam was lacking before
tawny stream
I heard critcakes in a stream mention that fury was getting nerfed this week and arms buffed. I see the patch notes for MArch 31st, but dont see anything more recent. Are those the buffs that were announced on 3/31, and implementing 4/7? or am I completely wrong
I couldve misheard*
tawny stream
ok sounds good, is there an estimate on when that comes out?
minor gust
end of april start of may
minor gust
cool for you?
tawny stream
I think so
I just dont like this game very much, its just a time filler until other games come out
finite arch
Between a Myth Puzzle Box and a Hero Heart of Ancient Hunter, The fully upgraded puzzle box sims worse than my current Champ Crucible and champ Keepsake Trinkets. Does the Myth Puzzle Box just sim wrong? I see its S tier but raid bots is saying its booty.
My thought is wait until I kill that boss again tomorrow and if I get the trink, take the myth gloves?
fervent cedar
Between a Myth Puzzle Box and a Hero Heart of Ancient Hunter, The fully upgraded...
Puzzlebox is an excellent on use for mythic+ specifically
The problem is with it being a 2 minute cd and 2 second cast on use, it makes the trinket very annoying and awkward to use sometimes
finite arch
I got used to it in Dragonflight so it shouldnt be too bad for me. When I look at logs I don't see a lot of people using it in M+
fervent cedar
Because its annoying to use and there are better raid trinkets
finite arch
I'm never going to Mythic Raid so I'll never see those two on Myth Track.... hmmm
fervent cedar
Some people are also starting to gravitate towards guidon because its cd aligns with our cds a bit nicer
Heart is an obvious safe choice
See if you get it from raid and if you dont its pretty much a gimme for all content
finite arch
true, I raid tomorrow so I'm going to stew on it for a while. Thanks bro
fervent cedar
Np
inland heron
what talents for vanguard?
dire hinge
what talents for vanguard?
If you open WarcraftLogs and look at vanguard + the difficulty you’re doing you’ll see the exact ones. Basically M+ colossus with some tweaks
minor gust
inland heron
If you open WarcraftLogs and look at vanguard + the difficulty you’re doing you’...
what if im more of a slayer typa guy
stark pike
Is this not just better for paladins? Powerful Momentum? DPS-FAQ has me taking sweeping strikes affecting 6 more abilities but I feel like 100% uptime is possible without the extra 6
minor gust
yes swap to powerful idk why that one has extended sweep
red relic
for puzzle box rn i've been using it like 2 sec before pull timer is up, is it better to use it after charge? also is the "cast" faster in BL?
tidal igloo
when doing regular rotation after the 4 cleaves during colossus smash, do you want to always buff cleave before using again
granite mesa
Is it normal for Slayer arms to sim lower than my fury spec on any situation? I tried ST, 5 target, 8 target and dungeon slice. I have mostly haste mastery stats, but afaik arms wasn't that picky with stats
i can't quite quantify if i'm contributing more as arms or fury to keys
tawdry river
well if I have good ST team, I am arms and exploding cleave/aoe and I am fine with that
zealous lily
in execute phase for slayer, do we MS on cd or only after 2 executes?
dire hinge
in execute phase for slayer, do we MS on cd or only after 2 executes?
Only after 2 executes, for all builds during Execute Phase
zealous lily
awesoem thx
brittle fiber
Accurate profile pic for an arms main
obsidian olive
how does arms feel to play this season? I've only ever played fury but I'm thinking of learning arms
shut blade
ITS FUN
zealous lily
how does arms feel to play this season? I've only ever played fury but I'm think...
sometimes I press Colossus smash and im happy, sometimes I dont and im sad
rose ibex
how does arms feel to play this season? I've only ever played fury but I'm think...
bigly
reef glade
vast helm
after two executes we just stand there and wait maybe smoke a bit
icy mulch
Is there an addon to help track collateral?
fossil thistle
Cleave glows
icy mulch
Or sweeping strikes stacks, which would be better.
Using sweeping and CS seems to fuck over the amount of collaterals
icy mulch
It's finicky to maximize up time with actual good cool downs. Maybe just safer to ignore sweeping when using any cool downs. Sort of "the off" coolie button
fossil thistle
I tend to use SS when i have 3-5 charges still just from mentally counting it
minor gust
SS from CS is your main way of getting SS. Actual SS is just used whenever you dont have any SS charges left
icy mulch
so you set it back to 12? That delays your collateral
icy mulch
and here I thought it worked like it use to. fuck me
minor gust
reef prairie
lean geode
Yes the third hit is both a frontal and a cone
dire hinge
i believe it's a frontal square 🤓 ☝️
stable fiber
slayer is just the fucking worst man
idk
its so good in m+
then the worst thing in raid
wind hatch
besides the sudden death rng i like it
dire hinge
the sudden death rng makes me so sad in raid
wind hatch
im an arms otp ive learned to accept shit not lining up
dire hinge
seeing folks get to bladestorm 3 times in a minute while others are once every 50sec
stable fiber
idk man
im doing fucking
nexus king reclear
and i went through a whole bs cd without getting 3 stacks
like
??
r1 has like 2 bladestorms inside the 20 second window damage amp on that boss
how do i even compete xdd
just brutal
dire hinge
yeaaah, whenever things are that RNG it just sucks the fun out
but hey boss died thumbs up
wind hatch
they do need to do something to sudden death rng tho
dire hinge
reminds me of playing Enhance Hot Hand on the anduin fight. No hot hand proc during the 100% dps boost and lust? Whelp, better luck next pull
stable fiber
i mean the r1 log did 4m more damage with execute then me
just cringe
boring
oh well i got a helmet from the boss so i can take ring from vault
almost 278
minor gust
classic RNG doing its thing
stable fiber
31 sds vs 20 sds
the pull before though
i was doing 150k dps
ok not really but
a lot
jagged fable
hard to do big dam w colossus on that one if your guild is trying to pad, smallies die too fast now
nova marsh
they do need to do something to sudden death rng tho
ya know
wasn't blizz suppose to have a new proc system for this xpack
quiet bramble
which dung yall run colossus?
rose ibex
Maisara
rose ibex
Pit
rose ibex
Maisara imo just has a lot of easy enemies you can bunch up
Also some time sensitive packs like when crossing bridge
So kill fast = better
Kill packs fast
nova marsh
Oh yeah I see the angle
rose ibex
Yeaaaah
I like that dungeon. Its really grown on me
MT is probably good for clarms too
nova marsh
Tbh I want to like masiara more
rose ibex
But ngl I just do whatever I feel like
wind hatch
this shit better crank
did less dmg than last week
probably skill issue but still feels bad
nova marsh
But I really hate how often people pop the shields immediately
And you just get absoutlely demolished
rose ibex
Tonight I played some colo and I cannot deny my dungeon dps was better
nova marsh
Damn blood elves
rose ibex
Oh yeah that boss
nova marsh
Those shield pops genuinely hurt a lot
rose ibex
I dont even notice them so the healer we play with must be good
nova marsh
Oh yeah
soft gust
Found a way to have HS proc show up really similarly to an aura for any EQoL users
Macro:
#showtooltip
/cast [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike
dragged into EQoL, it only displays when its castable
nova marsh
If your healer is goated it's probally fine, same with if the skele shields go one by one
If they go all at once it's MASSIVE burst damage across the whole party
rose ibex
Stand next to the mushroom and never die
nova marsh
wait what
rose ibex
Druid throughput is insane
nova marsh
ahhh tru true
coral fossil
need help friends, the hero Plume sims highest but passing on the weapon hurts
nova marsh
need help friends, the hero Plume sims highest but passing on the weapon hurts
My first question is do you have crafted weapon
my second suggestion
is do the weekly first to see if you get plume
coral fossil
yes crafted weapon and bracers, weekly gave me legs
coral fossil
dont intend to in m+ at least, and i pug all my raids
rose ibex
Oh does weekly reward cool raid stuff?
nova marsh
Oh does weekly reward cool raid stuff?
It's all raid loot to my knowledge
same as delve was
Just at hero track
nova marsh
same I ain't raiding at all
rose ibex
Im like that guy above. Heroic pug raids at the most
Pray someone got tricked into thinking we do good raid damage
nova marsh
Pray someone got tricked into thinking we do good raid damage
Trick them with the vanguard logs
nova marsh
Holy
nova marsh
Margin of error?
olive nest
just gear single target
olive nest
Margin of error?
OH duh im a dummy
nova marsh
ST APL is usually more accurate
nova marsh
Oh lol
sacred summit
ST APL is usually more accurate
does our stat prio not change between st and aoe
olive nest
classic
nova marsh
does our stat prio not change between st and aoe
no?
And even if it does, it's very slight and also probally not worth it
Like for instance (yes I know this is another spec) fury values crit a bit more for aoe
But fury dosen't want a ton of crit just for that
sacred summit
Like for instance (yes I know this is another spec) fury values crit a bit more ...
yea thats why i was askin 🙂
nova marsh
ye fair fair
minor gust
31 sds vs 20 sds
Just had a .01% wipe on vora doing 96k next pull we kill had the worst rng possible. Got rage starved multiple times ended at 80k
sacred summit
cuz fury is haste mast for st but for aoe crit becomes much better
minor gust
nova marsh
But we just gear for ST anyways because even if it moves things around for aoe, ST still matters
even in keys
sacred summit
and the way the raids and keys are rn i just sim 1t 5m and 8t 40s for fury rn
nova marsh
....Also the APL for AoE for most specs is usually a bit underdeveloped compared to ST, so you usually get a more accurate sim with ST
sacred summit
But we just gear for ST anyways because even if it moves things around for aoe, ...
gotcha
sacred summit
....Also the APL for AoE for most specs is usually a bit underdeveloped compared...
hmmm is the apl more accurate for aoe if the time is shorter? like 8t 40s vs 8t 3min or smth?
nova marsh
No
Also
That's....kinda bad
cuz the problem is the shorter you go, the more you let your burst shine in sims
nova marsh
Yes
Because you're essentially seeing only your cooldown damage and barely anything else
This is why 5 minute sims are considered standard
sacred summit
hmm ive been told to sim 1t 5m, 5t-xt 40s, and 5t5 mins i think for fury
but ive been focusing on haste/mast on all my gear for st so far for fury, so im pivoting more towards giving me more burst so i can get more aoe damage in in keys or bosses (like averzian, vorasius, twin drakes, etc)
nova marsh
Personally
I don't trust AoE sims that much, because I know it's very...weird and like I said, APL is usually not as up to date as ST
Also
Today I learned something
Server transfering wiped my arc profile
sacred summit
I don't trust AoE sims that much, because I know it's very...weird and like I sa...
hmm isee what u mean
but to use fury as an example again, if u only stack haste mast cuz thats what the st sims tell you, arent u losing out on the aoe/aoe burst damage u can do?
sacred summit
esp makes sense to me since adds usually die quick so ud want more crit/mast than haste to get as much damage in in those few gcds
nova marsh
A. how accurate is that
B. Is the ST "loss" worth the aoe gain
sacred summit
A. how accurate is that
B. Is the ST "loss" worth the aoe gain
oh this is just my train of thought idk if its true but it makes sense to me + fury's crit/mast value goes up in aoe so
and yea maybe the st loss is not worth for a spec like arms whos alr so crippled in st
languid torrent
hey if any of you that know arms pretty well, i posted a log from tonight from first boss mythic. id appreciate any pointers
sacred summit
bruh 10k diff is wild
vital depot
ig it's the belt in the cata or necklace (my guild can reliably clear second boss & chimaerus so far so no need for boots)
slow saddle
bruh 10k diff is wild
Yeye its a crime
slow saddle
ig it's the belt in the cata or necklace (my guild can reliably clear second bos...
Its neck
sacred summit
anyone know why my sims seem weird? its telling me higher tier gems and enchants for my rings are a dps downgrade
simming for 1t 5m
sacred summit
i dont have the best gems and enchants on my rings rn but when i select them on raidbots and tell it to replace existing gems/enchants it spits this out
vital depot
Yeah but no primary stats
rose ibex
i think nexus point is the buggiest dungeon in this expansion so far
slow saddle
Doesnt matter always neck there
abstract sphinx
help me boys.... myth ring or hero heart (I have champion heart + puzzle)
rose ibex
help me boys.... myth ring or hero heart (I have champion heart + puzzle)
heartr
but only saying that because i really want it and... yeah
gimme dat
abstract sphinx
its theoritically easy to get from raid tho
slow saddle
Yup
abstract sphinx
with my luck prob not
rose ibex
speaking as someone who has not gotten a single item from raid over like... 5 characters
slow saddle
Few str users
rose ibex
no not easy
slow saddle
Kek im decked from raid
abstract sphinx
speaking as someone who has not gotten a single item from raid over like... 5 ch...
i only get loot from normal raid xD
rose ibex
paladins keep jacking my shit
abstract sphinx
heroic forget about it
abstract sphinx
o yee we get bonus rolls soon no?
wind hatch
help me boys.... myth ring or hero heart (I have champion heart + puzzle)
sim it
sage bison
help me boys.... myth ring or hero heart (I have champion heart + puzzle)
Ring for sure. Obviously a slave to the sim machine but mythic vorass will be puggable eventually
Anything that drops decent jewelry…. A hot minute
chrome bay
u guys think it's worth to take puzzle box? i also have chimaerus, but i'm not planning on raiding mythic
olive nest
I’d take gloves and hope for Guidon soon
nova marsh
u guys think it's worth to take puzzle box? i also have chimaerus, but i'm not p...
That occlusion thou
olive nest
Or ring even ye
nova marsh
actually some banger options man
twin lion
Sorry its in Spanish, Weapon is Mastery/Crit, knowing not doing any MM Raid (at least for now) and I already have the Crafted weapon, any suggestion on which item to pick?
stark cape
Do we get sparks and catalyst charges on the same week?
I have 1 spark in my bag, it says 6/6 season maximum on my currency tab and ive crafted a 2h weapon and bracers.
So we would get your 8th spark next weeks reset as well as an additional catalyst charge?
robust cypress
yes
abstract sphinx
Ring for sure. Obviously a slave to the sim machine but mythic vorass will be pu...
good point thx mate
hushed pine
Sorry its in Spanish, Weapon is Mastery/Crit, knowing not doing any MM Raid (at ...
Prism if you don't have a good trinket
Helmet if you don't have tier/a good helmet
marsh needle
Sorry its in Spanish, Weapon is Mastery/Crit, knowing not doing any MM Raid (at ...
sim it bro
helm, legs, and chest are the best mythic tier pieces to get too
They give the most stats, snd you eill have that myth helm tbe rest of the season
rose matrix
Is it normal for execute phases to feel horrible and rage starved
bleak fog
Boys, I need help.. Play Arms most of the time but Fury every now and then..
If I dont take the wep I wont see one rest of the season..
But it will be placed in the bag most of the time..
Got herohelm, is it helm or trinketangle?
nova marsh
Boys, I need help.. Play Arms most of the time but Fury every now and then..
Probs trinket angle
You can probally see good helms and such easily
bleak fog
mm
slender sonnet
I am in tears
very large
nova marsh
That is an upgrade over a champ
a 3% dps increase
Like holy
I don't feel like I should craft a weap now
slender sonnet
yeah maybe not worth
I am once again proving why they call me the tertiary queen btw
nova marsh
Eyyyy nice
slender sonnet
6 items I have with tertiary on them
abstract sphinx
Sheesh
marsh needle
Im just sending myth crests on everything. It’s kinda weird how the work this season now
I always have them for what i want to upgrade/craft
slender sonnet
yeah
nova marsh
So
I actually decided to sim the difference between maxed out hero dawnsong and a crafted weap with the hunt
Absoutlely not worth it
minor ivy
minor ivy
its what im leaning towards
damn i was hoping u were asleep and i wouldn't get called out for asking agian
XD
minor ivy
to get another opinion - ur prob right tho haha
nova marsh
It's okay get another one
minor ivy
its just lame picking an A-tier trinket (instead of s) when the other option is near bis for the slot
or effectively bis for me
but despite that, prob makes more sense to go prism
slender sonnet
But if you're not myth raiding it's better than anything you can get in HC raid
So
🤷♀️
nova marsh
Also can I just say...why do DHs get such a sick weapon
slender sonnet
might aswell
nova marsh
Literally just take pieces of a void naaru and use it as a warglaive
minor ivy
A dick weapon? yea wtf i want one of them
nova marsh
Gimme that as an axe
...
I cannot
I just can't
ACTUAL SKILL ISSUE OF THE CENTURY
slender sonnet
this is all I need
nova marsh
The only reason I dislike maces
is some of the animations (espically on slayer with BS and Slayer strike) look a bit...goofy
slender sonnet
yeah
slender sonnet
I need last boss neck I think
nova marsh
That neck is a massive oof
slender sonnet
that's what these are for
nova marsh
I mean the ones you got
nova marsh
Gloves + neck would be yuge thou
nova marsh
I have a champ one from pit
slender sonnet
Which isn't necessarily bad tbf
Apparently we're going to go dragons after vorc instead of salhadaar
So longer to wait for that neck
nova marsh
Oh god
limber valve
`
nova marsh
That....sounds very unfun
nova marsh
we're trialling another warrior on first boss aswell apparently
They gonna steal your spot?
slender sonnet
I have defeated 2 furys before them
I will defeat another
(I dont mind if they steal my spot)
nova marsh
Put them in the dirt where they belong
slender sonnet
if they take my spot and I bench warm means I get more time to chill in m+ with my mates
nova marsh
Just intentionally kill them with mechs so they look bad 
True fair
I've become a key andy
nova marsh
nice nice
slender sonnet
Across all my chars I'm resilient 13
but I like playing multiple chars and messing around
tried a couple of 14s on evoker but I was still like 260 2p
so we struggled
slender sonnet
I'm planning on raiding on my warrior and pushing keys on aug I think
nova marsh
My warrior decided to become the actual chosen one thou
I stg if I get prisim in vault
slender sonnet
then just playing resto druid to chill
umbral badger
guys is gaze really our bis still ? it does not sim anywhere near plum or ancient hunger so i am confused why gaze is rated higher than plume atm
soft dew
Maybe you already have too much mastery and it is then less good for you?
slender sonnet
Its just not that good I think
nova marsh
Think most lists were made before gaze got nerfed
steady sigil
myth head and catalyst it to set piece (276 hero head and 4 set right now) or hero prism instead of champion prism, top gear sim tells me prism but haven't simmed enough to know if i should take catalyst option into account
soft dew
myth head and catalyst it to set piece (276 hero head and 4 set right now) or he...
I mean you can get hero prism in keys, but that might be a lot of keys
steady sigil
I mean you can get hero prism in keys, but that might be a lot of keys
ah yeah, morning brain didn't think of that. thanks
quiet bramble
Maisara
MC, POS, and AA?
i play slayer, but it's kinda nice to switch between a bit
soft dew
Hahaha
slow saddle
with weap and 286 trinkets, not fully bis ones but still
like wth
im at 85k btw so
not CLOSE to 90
soft dew
You know what they say man, someone needs to be last
slow saddle
yeah but now let me sim my 263 dk with heroic and champion trinket
slow saddle
also Playing slayer in raid
i miss battlelord so much
like the reason slayer m+ is fun is battlelord
i HATE not playing it
sharp galleon
arms in raid feels like genuine dog shit
slow saddle
m8 just try to insert battlelord
and even if dmg is shittier
feels a lot better 😄
the fact that Raid has op if below 90 rage
is Madness
and speaks to our rage issues
its not only rage, its also coz of
LOL
nova marsh
Just
slow saddle
WTF IS THIS
sharp galleon
lmao
soft dew
WTF IS THIS
Yeah expected
slow saddle
i know sims isnt everything at all
soft dew
Why are we still playing warrior?
quiet bramble
arms in raid feels like genuine dog shit
after lust is 
slow saddle
i mean its not only that its just
long ass bladestorm
long ass cd on bladestorm
Not pressin MS enough
i went into raid having played M+ slayer
and was excited
quiet bramble
Why are we still playing warrior?
slow saddle
switched to fury coz fuck this
soft dew
Pressing MS is the whole reason why I love Arms
sharp galleon
in keys arms feels insane you do so much dmg then you get to raid its genuine depression
slow saddle
it is because our st is dog from the start 😄
soft dew
in keys arms feels insane you do so much dmg then you get to raid its genuine de...
Arms in keys is great yeah, fucking love it
quiet bramble
cortisol spike in raid is real
sharp galleon
tried slayer arms in keys today
much more ST dmg than colossus i think i prefer it
rose ibex
i play slayer, but it's kinda nice to switch between a bit <:keks:93623161085089...
yeah i agree. I don't really think about it
both specs are good atm
radiant sonnet
Slayer is more chill to play with i guess
soft dew
tried slayer arms in keys today
much more ST dmg than colossus i think i prefer ...
If you removed Ravager I would enjoy playing Colo more, Slayer is just more straightforward to play and less bloaty
slow saddle
if its very coordinated grp colo is insane
rose ibex
slayer is just more susceptible to rng
slow saddle
but if i dont get to pull mobs on bosses its just dog water, and more rage starved than a guy in the desert
nono
soft dew
When your pug tank pulls 4 mobs after saying "big pull BL"
sharp galleon
If you removed Ravager I would enjoy playing Colo more, Slayer is just more stra...
yeh then theres the issue of running from pack to pack and your colo stacks drop
i guess thats dungeon dependent but still
slow saddle
u get to many hs procs = starved
rose ibex
ehhh.... slayer is all about SD procs
nova marsh
Colo st is impressively dogshit
slow saddle
op doesnt reset = starved
IF Colo st = slayer st
i would have fucking loved this tier in raid
getting to demolish add packs without being hopeless in st
Like collosus geniune good for this raid tier
nova marsh
i would have fucking loved this tier in raid
But st is cope cuz adds
slow saddle
fucked by ATROCIOUS ST
soft dew
Colo has a good spot on some bosses, but it doesn't do enough ST to be very competitive
slow saddle
thats my point like
in theory if tuned well
in st
it wouldda been a VERY good raid for us
apart from all the melee hating bosses
like basicly u dont bring melees
😄
1st kill had 0 melees no ?
ret = range dk = range
quiet bramble
missing that oomph feelinig 
sharp galleon
yup ret and dks are ranged
slow saddle
or well semi
soft dew
apart from all the melee hating bosses
Yup raid feels like shit for melee
slow saddle
its not a feel thing
its a fact thing
even paladins where our profile is madness
theres so much move away range gets to hit boss
soft dew
yeah that's why MM are just the king on that boss
soft dew
Crazy that they have insane ST and insane cleave and insane AoE
slow saddle
u CAN get insane numbers as arms ofc, but like mm just does it everytime
soft dew
But we get nothing
soft dew
I meant in raids
soft dew
But yeah Arms is pretty good in M+ hard agree
slow saddle
like theres nothing else to it
nova marsh
ye well we are just so undertuned
I want cleave to be brought down so bad
slow saddle
Facts
nova marsh
Ik its like the sole reason were goos
nova marsh
But its a stupid button
slow saddle
would help us a lot
nova marsh
And makes st feel horrid
inland drift
learned the aoe rotation for collosus, and it's like hitting em mobs with a truck
i love it
soft dew
Yeah it's fun
inland drift
slayer rotation is like a gipsy giving you death by a thousand cuts
soft dew
Demolish is a fun button to press
inland drift
and before anyone calls me out, i am a gypsy
slow saddle
but cleave should come down another 10% at least
slow saddle
and before anyone calls me out, i am a gypsy
to call u out, u would have to say something about stealing 😉
soft dew
If they buff our ST hard we could take 20% to cleave
inland drift
to call u out, u would have to say something about stealing 😉
morning workout
slow saddle
nah
soft dew
But it would have to be a huge buff
slow saddle
20% to cleave would kill col
inland drift
oh yeah didn't arms get a small buff today
inland drift
aw
soft dew
Warrior was missing from the latest patchnotes
slow saddle
but 12.05 MIGHT make col come closer to slayer
sadly its cause slayers st gets demolished 😄 HHAHAH
nova marsh
Honestly
I feel like if demolish got either guaranteed crit or some extra damage on st
Colo might be okay
slow saddle
i mean it did ?
cerulean onyx
If i have a crafted weapon with hunt, should I choose a myth weapon from the vault and craft a different embellishment in other piece?
umbral badger
I feel like if demolish got either guaranteed crit or some extra damage on st
naaa, we just need a bit more mortal strike and overpower dmg imo 😄
slow saddle
i mean we desperately need op // dreadnaught to fuck
nova marsh
naaa, we just need a bit more mortal strike and overpower dmg imo 😄
I mean that also helps
slow saddle
as it just makes us better in 2t a lot and 1t
umbral badger
the 15% dmg of overpower at max stacks is not really 15% when you are using demo on cd
soft dew
If i have a crafted weapon with hunt, should I choose a myth weapon from the vau...
The BiS crafts are 2 slots with Arcanoweave iirc
umbral badger
in fact
cerulean onyx
The weapon is the hammer from saron pit
rare kite
naaa, we just need a bit more mortal strike and overpower dmg imo 😄
i know you're joking but i wouldn't mind some more ms damage xD. i dream of EP 50%
umbral badger
i am sure one of you have seen how much % overpower dmg that 15% is actually ? i assume it is like 7% at best or some shit
cerulean onyx
The BiS crafts are 2 slots with Arcanoweave iirc
Nice. Thanks mate
umbral badger
i know you're joking but i wouldn't mind some more ms damage xD. i dream of EP 5...
i am not, i think mortal hits like wetnoodle now unless you meet a trillion requirement that is not realistic
umbral badger
i liked it more when our mortal strike was one of the highest crits in the game in TWW "although it still required a lot of stacking"
slow saddle
- means in theory u can buff Exe more without making it take the spot of MS
umbral badger
but now the average of mortal strike seems very weak
slow saddle
lol
rare kite
ms is like 25% of my damge in mostly st(beloren hc) that's a pretty big part of arms damage breakdown. i wouldn't mind it being 35% tho