Essentially yes as colossus
#arms
olive nest
lone raft
ok MS takes the prio and HS
rose ibex
Buffed up Skullsplitter should be capstone and it should be on the "rend and bleeds" side of the tree
stable fiber
you kinda just remove rend and put the damage rend does into deep wounds
safe island
colo arms rotation is so bad it makes me want to throw up just looking at it
cleave during ravager lol
wind hatch
unless u are like completely rage capped, yeah
rose ibex
Colo rotation feels very chill compared to slayer
Slayer is simpler but feels much more frantic
kind stag
idk
i stress out during arms rotations lol
rend uptime, aligning cds, MS, heroic strike
fury i just zugzug
safe island
it’s single target, and i don’t want to use cleave
lone raft
I just have rend on caps lock its not that bad
kind stag
as discussed earlier ravager was a mistake
lone raft
and it's two cds to align
kind stag
ravager and rend keep arms from being non jank
lone raft
3 , but u just macro avatar and CS together
so its on the same button press for me at least
I do think rend is annoying, and yea ravager sucks, esp in mythics when tanks move for some reason
honestly this is pretty gay but
get rid of ravager, bring back 1 second cast slam and make it do crazy AOE
kind stag
rend on MS/cleave and we good
lone raft
like on a minute 30 second cooldown, charge up a heavy hit slam the earth and wallop people
kind stag
yes
lone raft
on some elden ring shit
kind stag
arms should be slow, towering, monster juggernaut that hits like a meteor
not whatever this is
rose ibex
Rend's greatest sin is being boring, and it used to be worse when it was purely single target
kind stag
true
safe island
if rend disappeared, i feel like my brain freezing would drop by like 30%
rose ibex
Rend would be more interesting if we had skullsplitter
Meh. Rend is so unimpactful I hardly worry about forgetting to press it
.... I really don't know how you could make rend interesting tbh :/
safe island
the problem is i’m wasting brainpower on something that useless
rose ibex
If rend gave rage as a baseline then it would actually feel useful to press
rose ibex
A capstone that improved bladestorm so that it sped up the ticks of rend as you spun would be cool
lone raft
arms just wants to go bonk
rose ibex
Or aoe skullsplitter
stable fiber
If rend gave rage as a baseline then it would actually feel useful to press
this was the issue with troar and instead of doing this they just removed it
rose ibex
Screw troar
rose ibex
Yeah it did but its kinda weird
stable fiber
you push troar on a 10 second cd instead of a 90 second cd?
olive nest
I miss Troar
stable fiber
troar also did damage and lined up with shit
rose ibex
Just feels too magical for my tastes
safe island
so many people hate rend, but blizzard will never remove it
stable fiber
tclap isnt magical?
rose ibex
Im not a fan of it either
olive nest
I just want one bleed personally
And have it passively maintained and applied by MS/cleave
lone raft
rend just needs to apply on all attacks or at the very least just overpower
stable fiber
I just want one bleed personally
the mop version of bleeds was bis
it was just deep wounds
olive nest
And I’d also like slullsplitter back to amp bleeds
rose ibex
If warriors' thing is that they are just regular giga strong dudes their abilities should commit to it
olive nest
the mop version of bleeds was bis
Yeah thats big
olive nest
Wet noodle maintenance dot ain’t it bros
rose ibex
And if warriors are more than just "giga strong" then give us more interesting things
lone raft
slam gotta go
stable fiber
also deep wounds did like the same damage as most your normal abilities
lone raft
turn it into og classic slam
stable fiber
it wasnt worthless damage
thick kelp
deep wounds took a talent spot for this 🥀
rose ibex
Turn slam into an empower ability thats shorter duration than evoker stuff
rose ibex
Boring
lone raft
I'd rather press Slam every 1 minute 30 seconds
than ravager
and crank that shit back like a slugger, just like how demolish is on a cast time
and have it slam down and nuke a pack
an uncap the aoe
but now it can also be used in ST
olive nest
Bro thought he was cooking “yo guys let’s give them vers but without the damage reduction as their mastery, they’ll love it!”
lone raft
quaint otter
lone raft
just look at the animations
who thought of u know what would be cool if our warrior class summoned an axe
that was really slow
and most of time in pug groups the tank will fuck it up
and hey it will also be useless in ST
i wanna do that every minute 30 uncapped AoE slam
safe island
you have rend instead
kind stag
Bro thought he was cooking “yo guys let’s give them vers but without the damage ...
proof that arms is gonna get reworked one day they dont know what to do with it
i cant call arms executespec, or bleed spec, or big crits spec, idk how to describe it to someone who asks whats arms like
rose ibex
Its a hodge podge of old shit taped together
And somehow it is still more fun than a lot of other classes
safe island
i just can’t quit the shitty charm of arms warrior…
rose ibex
We're just salty because some buttons and talents are boring
Its overall still super fun to play
In fact I dont think its ever been this fun
For me anyways
kind stag
i wish i knew it better idk whats my mental block when i play it
maybe im not born to warrior who knows
kind stag
i use dis
stable fiber
k thanks
rose ibex
maybe im not born to warrior who knows
Warriors seem to require perfect positioning and constant uptime on targets because they dont have any ways to cheat death or mechanics outside of parrying, and zero ranged capabilities. The best warriors seem almost suicidal in how hard they focus on targets without backing off
latent moss
k thanks
you can drop javelineer and crushing force for resonating voice or w/e itsc alled and stance mastery
its dps neutral but u get stance mastery
u do lose javelineer tho
stable fiber
ic
rose ibex
If things get too hairy I always feel backing off is the right thjng to do but the best warriors always find a way to keep hitting targets amongst a field of death
safe island
i wish heroic strike had a cooler animation
kind stag
Warriors seem to require perfect positioning and constant uptime on targets beca...
i like greeding for uptime and using leap last second i find that fun, but mainly on fury, on arms atm i stress out more than anything lmao
its easier than tww arms but still
rose ibex
i like greeding for uptime and using leap last second i find that fun, but mainl...
It just feels greedy and selfish to me. Yeah its fun to have bigger number but I also dont want to brick someone's key
soft gust
Gotta limit test somewhere
rose ibex
But yeah. Maybe my brain is better for sv hunter instead or something
rose ibex
Gotta limit test somewhere
Also true
kind stag
But yeah. Maybe my brain is better for sv hunter instead or something
i also thought that but maybe we wouldnt get the same feels from playing hunter or somethin else
old glacier
You know that feeling when you check a recent parse and wish you could delete it?
kind stag
all of mine
rose ibex
i also thought that but maybe we wouldnt get the same feels from playing hunter ...
Hunter got overpruned imo
Its the easy mode class all round now
I love sv hunter but it just feels bland now
kind stag
maybe i should reroll hunter ehehehe
rose ibex
I mean, its very simple
olive nest
what are slayer m+ talents
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/EAOARUUVFVVGZEqRQBENVUVVCZBUWRUF0CFAFVVVVUBA
rose ibex
If I was stoned 24/7 id love sv hunter
olive nest
Little more aoe with stance mastery cone* found
rose ibex
I love that sv hunter always has options. Its defenses are kinda awkward but it feels like you never have to let up. You can always attack
small quartz
If I'm on 2 stacks of collateral damage, with heroic strike and cleave off CD, should I just send cleave or HS for the apex and 3 stacks > cleave ?
lone raft
If things get too hairy I always feel backing off is the right thjng to do but t...
u just heroic leap and charge back in
wind hatch
If I'm on 2 stacks of collateral damage, with heroic strike and cleave off CD, s...
2 target or 3+ target?
wind hatch
cleave
with 3+ targets you just treat collateral damage as something passive that doesnt affect the rotation
always just cleave when it's up
small quartz
Cool thank you
rose ibex
Is battlelord bad to take for raid? Its one of the funner talents
umbral badger
3
to begin with, you have to remember that cleave does not trigger heroic strike. so there is no actual lose from delaying heroic strike in such a situation.
like you are not worried of gettign a new heroic strike proc without using your heroic strike proc when you cleave
plus, if it's 3 targets cleave will do the heroic strike anyway
and it's increased dmg heroic strike at that, so you want it to be triggered by cleave
as in ferver of battle
rare kite
@stable fiber what's your arms build on dragons mythic? i wanna try it but wclogs is shitting itself
stable fiber
<@232249410103279616> what's your arms build on dragons mythic? i wanna try it b...
m+
colo
unreal river
anyone got a m+ dmg breakdown?
rare kite
oh just pure col m+ ok got it. will give it a try
hold cds for all add spawns i pressume?
north forge
anyone got a m+ dmg breakdown?
torpid acorn
you also see damage from deep wounds, slam and heroic strike
but its also from pressing cleave
distant basalt
any big brain that can explain to a a poor peasant like me why the heck demolish is a stationary channel?
distant basalt
like monk fist of fury and surv hunters spear thingy is movable?
north forge
don't try and find sense in it. There is none to find.
stark tundra
Is there any spell that may proc Heroic strike more often ?
ocean moth
is slayer hold up well in higher keys like 12+? or is colossus the move? D:
pulsar frost
is slayer hold up well in higher keys like 12+? or is colossus the move? D:
Slayer is good. Col has higher aoe and overall but not the greatest st unless you're funneling trash into boss and decent ish tank
Slayer has better st and consistent aoe. Just less aoe burst and overall
ocean moth
thanks!
leaden coral
hi guys, can u help me ?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RqXpFzr2HY1mchDV?fight=37&type=damage-done&source=162
this is my logs, but really idk why ppl with my similar gear do like 100k with MS i did 70, and idk really how to improve
candid pecan
anyone got a m+ dmg breakdown?
+15 Maisara Caverns
leaden coral
ty
unreal river
+15 Maisara Caverns
do you just send demolish on cd
or do you try to do the colossus > cleaves > demolish
candid pecan
I always use it during Colossus smash window
sage bison
Yall sending first demolish of the key without stacks or with?
candid pecan
without
wind hatch
Yall sending first demolish of the key without stacks or with?
I like to get all of my crushing combo cleaves out and a mortal strike before I use my first demolish but I don't wait for 10 stacks
swift plume
how is slayer in keys
stable fiber
how is slayer in keys
aoe is worse but the st owns
tacit crystal
very rng st though
bronze gale
Do I cast Cleave if I have Sweeping Strikes up?
minor gust
very rng st though
RNG everything but it's still good
minor gust
how is slayer in keys
Good you can comfortably play either Colo or slayer right now. Just pick what's more fun
tacit crystal
Do I cast Cleave if I have Sweeping Strikes up?
yes
but at 2 it replaces slam
and above it goes above ms
bronze gale
Thank you
leaden coral
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/RqXpFzr2HY1mchDV/37-Mythic+Fallen-King+Salhadaar+-+Wipe+15+(4:56)/162-Fadolh/standard/overview
guys can u help me with this, id really know why ppl with my gear did way more dmg than me with the single spell like ms
minor gust
Idk if wow analyzer is up to date @lean geode?
lean geode
Should be but I haven't double checked the APL since midnight launch
I do remember there being some headaches with heroic strike procs so take those with a grain of salt
leaden coral
I can send wl, is th same
minor gust
There's been some changes I believe to the apl since launch
unreal river
+15 Maisara Caverns
this was mine for this alst dngeon, guess im slamming too much
minor gust
I can send wl, is th same
Send the log I can take a very quick look at it.
leaden coral
minor gust
Likely uptime issues
leaden coral
Send the log I can take a very quick look at it.
Ty bro
lean geode
There's been some changes I believe to the apl since launch
I'll try and take a look tonight or thursday, it's sort of scuffed anyways bc wowa has to check against a single priority list vs wowhead and the actual simc APLs being broken out by in/out of exe range
and IIRC there's no buff associated with heroic strike procs, at least in logs
There's the buff you get from using the HS, but not when it's available
leaden coral
Is like other ppl do like 95k with ms i do like 70
minor gust
Ty bro
Alright I forgot how ass going through logs on the phone is I'll have to look later. But uptime is key stay on the boss and sweep the orbs
Should never be getting off boss
leaden coral
I dont understand why it happens mate
Really
Why I need to focus only boss ?
Leave the fact that I died
Is the same in other logs
Like i did each ms 30 k below the average with other ppl with my gear
minor gust
You are losing dmg running around. Take advantage of how sweeping strikes works and keep yourself in-between boss and orbs
So you hit both
Run broad strokes and powerful
You are kinda at the mercy of your tanks and ranged dps
wind hatch
Like i did each ms 30 k below the average with other ppl with my gear
your average ms damage will climb significantly as you reach the execute phase and start getting executioner's precision stacks
leaden coral
your average ms damage will climb significantly as you reach the execute phase a...
Yes but also other ppl before they reach exe phase still have 30k more dmg
limber valve
press execute more
leaden coral
I dont have execute is this lass of time too much if this dont proc
wind hatch
Yes but also other ppl before they reach exe phase still have 30k more dmg
a surprising amount of your damage is on the adds, you should just stay on the boss and passive cleave with sweeping strikes like frozenbozo said
it's a lot more efficient
leaden coral
Ok ty for this, but still way different kind of dmg in terms of avg hit and casts
There isnt some buff exc if i stay on the same target ?
robust cypress
How's my sim look for the gear? Good, bad, average? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qnrjYshUXr8QttK9xuaw2E
tacit crystal
avg
rapid ermine
whats the current thinking on slayer vs colossus for m+?
robust cypress
slayer is dogwater in m+
nova marsh
slayer is dogwater in m+
Not true anymore
robust cypress
oh?
nova marsh
Yeah slayer is actually pretty great
limber valve
dog water is a crazy statement
robust cypress
What happened thought exe not proccing reap aoe was a death sentence
tidal igloo
one of my first keys as arms, does this seem bad? ravager seems really low, although things kept getting pulled out
nova marsh
What happened thought exe not proccing reap aoe was a death sentence
That was gonna be implemented later
robust cypress
oh
nova marsh
And blizz walked it back to requiring sweep
robust cypress
Poggers
limber valve
Ok ty for this, but still way different kind of dmg in terms of avg hit and cast...
avg damage isn’t always a good metric, since crit can be a big factor in that
leaden coral
avg damage isn’t always a good metric, since crit can be a big factor in that
Y but is still a shit in everything idk why unf
nova marsh
Imo:
If youre pushing, trust your tank, or are just not pugging colo is probably better. Espically if other dps have great st
If youre pugging and playing around unpredictable tanks, slayer might be a better play
jade grove
Saw arms is very strong in m+ right now?
swift flame
whats the current thinking on slayer vs colossus for m+?
you can truly play both. just need to account for the terrible boss damage on colossus
as above message says, i would also mostly pug in slayer
rapid ermine
ok cool ty
robust cypress
oooo
rapid ermine
just starting out really so I'll start with slayer
robust cypress
Pog because I much prefer slayer
swift flame
only downside to slayer for me is sometimes you just dont get any sudden death procs in a big pull. and then you just feel like a shit colossus rofl
rapid ermine
only downside to slayer for me is sometimes you just dont get any sudden death p...
ive played arms enough in the past to know it do be like that sometimes
live by the proc, die by the proc
swift flame
are the builds the same?
basically identical, you just need to grab improved execute
sharp flame
are yall rocking with PB on arms in M+?
swift flame
think the build on wowhead drops sweeping strikes choice node for improved exe
swift flame
are yall rocking with PB on arms in M+?
rubix cube goatered
quaint snow
Is a shit
leaden coral
Idk why
swift flame
im assuming you are unhappy with the number ?
sharp flame
this is what im rocking rn Skyreach trinket and vorasius
leaden coral
Did different ce in different guild with different ch
I have never struggled with a character like this shitting warrior
Worst decision ever
swift flame
you providing the battle shout for ur guild ?
swift flame
just take % off all the phys damage and add it to ur own 
leaden coral
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Wks3Kw5vAUmyjQ7ZZRRq2
Bro u go over me like 4.5k with 3 ilvl
In 1 target
stable fiber
that makes sense yes
rustic creek
arms owns in M+
swift flame
definitely not shit in m+ brother
leaden coral
But there are like 5 better classes
rustic creek
lol
stable fiber
its just very bad in raid
swift flame
get urself a monk and a shammy and enjoy it while it lasts
stable fiber
no?
leaden coral
Fury ppl pad like a shit bell
hallow quail
with TC nerf in 12.05 it might be
leaden coral
Hell
stable fiber
yeah and its pad that has to die
swift flame
yer kinda what the class is designed for honestly
stable fiber
i dont see the point
stable fiber
both specs arent great in raid i agree but both are particularly good in m+ right now
leaden coral
I switched arms cause fury will be a puppet in 2 or 3 weeks
And Is raid is only padding, in m+ are like 8/10
Both
8.5/10 at maximum
quaint snow
I appreciate when someone makes it readily apparent that you can dismiss their input
stable fiber
arms also is not bad on some fights
very good on dragons and paladins
think its also not the worst on crown because you can sweep execute off the shield adds on mythic
and p1 isnt that real
also arms is some of the highest boss damage on nexus king and voracius
leaden coral
Yy coach me bro i pay u in gold
And then i return to you to say that is a shit anyway
pulsar frost
I switched arms cause fury will be a puppet in 2 or 3 weeks
i mean so will slayer arms, col seems not bad with the changes tho but who knows with the next 2 weeks patches
maybe fury will get giga buffed during theese two weeks then the .5 patch changes then arms gets killed no one knows
stable fiber
we could always be ele shamans
pulsar frost
we could always be ele shamans
but then youd have to play ele sham
pulsar frost
i refuse to stoop that low to fdk and pallies
stable fiber
then they made it do no damage and its not fun
pulsar frost
was thinking of doing mm hutner next season or dare i say do some healing again
leaden coral
Warr Is fun?
quaint snow
The concept of different preferences;
stable fiber
slayer not so much
swift flame
i love arms ❤️
quaint snow
is a shit
leaden coral
Is fun like a bunch of lego down of my feey
lean geode
especially colossus
man is sick in the head
swift flame
taur sounds like you need to find a new hobby
stable fiber
havent pugged 1 time
swift flame
this is causing you mental anguish
leaden coral
Ahaahahahahahah yes bro
swift flame
and it hurts me to see
pulsar frost
a r1 m+ tank though
exactly my point lmao
swift flame
is a shit fr brother
pulsar frost
both are good tho and works, pugging slayer is just vastly better imo unless ofc tank is good
that and ST isnt so dog as slayer 
quaint snow
pugging isnt fun
our groups rsham would pug keys for fun because he would get bored healing us
wind hatch
pugging col is great as long as you're a little patient and know what you're doing
leaden coral
seriously anyway in m+ colossus is way better than raid slayer
late yarrow
it seems the cooldowns dont line up great on arms. bladestorm/avatar and collosus....how do you all group these?
pulsar frost
seriously anyway in m+ colossus is way better than raid slayer
have you tried m+ slayer?
leaden coral
Not already
quaint snow
lmao
upper sparrow
both are good tho and works, pugging slayer is just vastly better imo unless ofc...
how do I stop getting flamed for my DPS as arms. Parsing purple and still getting made fun of 🥲
stable fiber
it seems the cooldowns dont line up great on arms. bladestorm/avatar and collosu...
bladestorm tends to be RNG, but you typically want a CS inbetween every avatar
leaden coral
Im waiting for the final tilting
pulsar frost
idk i dont look at key parses, its wack how its tracked
i do know i still pump at the end of dungeons
wind hatch
it seems the cooldowns dont line up great on arms. bladestorm/avatar and collosu...
Generally hold other cooldowns until you have colossus smash and then send whatever cooldowns you have with cs
late yarrow
ok thats helppful thank you
vapid sable
how much should i maintain in 5 target dummy with slayer m+ build doing the right rotation? 2min fight
minor gust
are the builds the same?
Same but you take improved execute and deep wounds. Take the build from wowhead
leaden coral
How's my sim look for the gear? Good, bad, average? https://www.raidbots.com/sim...
i have this gear but my simc is 82k
👍👍👍
minor gust
i do know i still pump at the end of dungeons
All that matters is you beat the other two DPS in the key. No point in comparing with other people through logs
There's like 10 different things that go into overall you can't control
minor gust
🫡
undone shale
hi
any one knows whats the bis stat of arms ?
for single target
sharp wyvern
all of them
stable fiber
hi
any one knows whats the bis stat of arms ?
for single target
anything but vers
crit and haste are slightly better then mastery i believe
but as long as you have very little vers its ok
undone shale
anything but vers
i have 990 haste 850 crit 350 mastery
is it fine ?
sharp wyvern
40/20/20/0
what about leech and avoidance
stable fiber
i have 990 haste 850 crit 350 mastery
is it fine ?
yeah bro its fine
minor gust
second class stats we dont care about them
stable fiber
just dont have vers
sharp wyvern
dont have vers unless sims say so
undone shale
just dont have vers
what flask should i use?
stable fiber
the crit one
undone shale
ty ❤️
stable fiber
yup
minor gust
F
tacit crystal
lolbob 10s
minor gust
oh yeah in the low keys colo is gonna have a better time
when you can solo burst a whole pack
minor gust
I just do keys with the boys
stable fiber
yeah ik
minor gust
pugging is a cancer
slender sonnet
I've been playing in my group only and it's been fun
But I'm playing a lot more aug
tried my first 14 today, as aug rather than arms
minor gust
🙁
slender sonnet
gaming, mayhaps
leaden garnet
I've been playing so much slayer recently, swapped back to Colo for a Seat run and my aoe and overall felt like trash
It was very confusing
Like 130k dps on trash pulls when I'm used to hitting 220k. Did Colo get stealth nerfed or something?
slender sonnet
maybe tank not stacking stuff as much as other tanks?
wind hatch
Like 130k dps on trash pulls when I'm used to hitting 220k. Did Colo get stealth...
no
u just forgot how to play I guess
granite coral
minor gust
@latent moss ive done a few more keys without a shaman now. I understand your pain with execute now
haughty bramble
quick question learning arms rn for m+ do i instantly cast demolish after my cds or do i want to spam the 3 cleaves first ?
minor gust
if you have max stacks hit demolish right away if no stacks hit ur cleaves first
stable fiber
quick question learning arms rn for m+ do i instantly cast demolish after my cds...
if i have no might stacks i send cleave first
if i have 10 might stacks i demolish first
haughty bramble
ah okay 🙂 so either have 10 might stacks and press or cleave it first gotcha
stable fiber
yup
haughty bramble
heroic strike wont be used in aoe right ? unless there is nothing else to press
stable fiber
heroic strike wont be used in aoe right ? unless there is nothing else to press
correct
actually idk
it might be better to hold it so you can get the 50% increased damage
heroic strike is a very hard hitting button you just dont push it a ton so 50% inc damage might be worth to save if you arent pushing anything
cant proc it again if you dont push anything afaik
the next button you push has to be cleave if you will hold it
haughty bramble
ah okay ty guess i understand the basics then opener go in rend cds see if have 10 stacks demolish then cleave or cleave first if not but def. demolish in cs window
ty for info 🙂
stable fiber
npnp
zealous lily
for the colo execute phase rotation is sub 35% or sub 20%?
stable fiber
for the colo execute phase rotation is sub 35% or sub 20%?
well execute is only useable under 20% as colo because massacre isnt worth taking as colo
but cleave does more damage when under 35% if thats what you mean
zealous lily
yeah that I read, im just wondering since in execute phase cleave isnt used besides with ravager spam, so was just checking
stable fiber
correct
zealous lily
does sudden death proc more in execute phase or no?
stable fiber
does sudden death proc more in execute phase or no?
no
zealous lily
okok, dumb question then, why is there a execute phase rotation if Execute is just used with Sudden death since Deep wounds isnt talented ?
stable fiber
okok, dumb question then, why is there a execute phase rotation if Execute is ju...
pretty sure the wowhead rotation is outdated a bit
atleast for colo st
afaik execute is used as colo st now since it got buffed
zealous lily
kk so Execute is above slam in execute phase?
stable fiber
kk so Execute is above slam in execute phase?
yes
zealous lily
damn 🙁
stable fiber
i think the reason the execute with sudden death thing exists in the execute priority is because you dont use rend anymore
(since ms applies rend when under 35%)
and because you dont need to use rend anymore it means you have less buttons which means losing sudden death procs is more hurtful
because its a free gcd
dire hinge
should be a section rotation sub 35% 😛
it's called the "execute rotation" and there is one 😉
calm hollow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/963DR9hVYmR5c21YQMMv8L so i changed a few things cause planning to have some fun with arms, is this a decent sim right now? idk about arms sims
zealous lily
it's called the "execute rotation" and there is one 😉
thought execute rotation was sub 20% 😛
dire hinge
it just means "Execute is now freely available to use"
calm hollow
thought execute rotation was sub 20% 😛
calm hollow
oh yea, as colo 20%
zealous lily
yeah, srry for the confusion im talking from colo pov
dire hinge
haha no worries, i admittedly didn't fully read what y'all were talking about before responding
single target Rend application is also pretty optional tbh. It's the most dps-per-rage possible (which is why it's so high on the list), but reapplying can be low priority
in AoE Rend rules, but in single target it's pretty weak
zealous lily
k, mostly my question was why was there a execute phase rotation if we only executed with sudden death, but ive been told that the rotation is old and we shoudl actually press execute in that phase lol
stable fiber
you use it
but its not high prio
in this instance
atleast i believe this is how you play it
since execute got a 20% buff
dire hinge
that's correct yeah, it's right under Overpower.
Also never press Slam in execute (i know it shows up in the priority, but that'll just rage starve you)
dire hinge
of course! It's can be a lot, but also dont overthink it too much
zealous lily
no worries, i was just finding it weird being in execute phase and not exeucting much 🙁
latent moss
<@692035495718551564> ive done a few more keys without a shaman now. I understan...
axaaxxa
dire hinge
atleast i believe this is how you play it
technically Colossus Execute is this right now:
- Sweeping Strikes with 2 or more targets
- Rend (with pandemic upkeep)
- Ravager with CS
- Avatar
- Colossus Smash
- Heroic Strike
- Demolish with CS and 10x Might stacks together
- Mortal Strike with 2x EP Stacks
- Execute with Sudden Death OR if you have Deep Wounds talent and 75+ rage
- Overpower
- Execute with 75+ rage
- Cleave during Ravager
- Execute (regardless of rage)
- Wrecking throw
(never Slam)
though tbh if you get that low where you're using Wrecking Throw it's a prime opportunity to Charge Weave 
stable fiber
too many buttons
stable fiber
arcane mage rotation:
arcane barrage when 20 stacks
orb with 2 charges of orb
orb with clearcasting
arcane blast
arcane barrage when oom
tight wing
I must be doing something wrong, I'm always overgenerating rage
dire hinge
BM Hunter single target is literally 6 lines in the APL 
tight wing
BM Hunter single target is literally 6 lines in the APL <:sad_cat:12021454178953...
only 6? seems too long
latent moss
@minor gust im cooking no skyfury
slayer and colo st apl
cause i lowk feelycrafted keeping op2 on cd and my rota is so much smoother
minor gust
🫡
latent moss
my dmg is so much more consistent
dire hinge
my lobster too buttery, my steak too juicy
latent moss
also prolly dead gcds
idk what it is
with last boss magisters
but i always do so much dmg
SURELY
heart from vorasius
in vault
SURELY
stable fiber
combo of doom
latent moss
combo of 0 dps
@tacit crystal i think if u start thinking about guidon like ravager for slayer u can use it better lowk
how long does guidon last
the haste buff
mr 278 guidon haver
cyan osprey
any people using Latch's Crooked Hook?
tacit crystal
latent moss
any people using Latch's Crooked Hook?
no
tacit crystal
@restive jay
dire hinge
banner so nice
latent moss
ig as slayer u hold it for cs+bs/ava?
idk if i had it i would know
but it never drops in raid
and even if it does i roll 20
restive jay
677 haste
stable fiber
state of warrior rn:
state of warrior rn:
(unless you have a blue shield next to your name)
boreal remnant
paper gulch
state of warrior rn:
How long did you sit in dungeon finder to get that score? Lmao
boreal remnant
How long did you sit in dungeon finder to get that score? Lmao
not that long
dev is in demand but also I tanked a lot of the higher keys
and tanks just get insta invited
paper gulch
Yeah but that means your score isn’t that rating as arms lol
minor gust
ig as slayer u hold it for cs+bs/ava?
Im washed up trash my rogue buddy finnally beat me
boreal remnant
Yeah but that means your score isn’t that rating as arms lol
considering my name in the picture is purple and my name has "dh" in it
boreal remnant
Im washed up trash my rogue buddy finnally beat me
finally doing justice to the bozo name
wind hatch
Im washed up trash my rogue buddy finnally beat me
what key
minor gust
was just a 14 aa so nothing was living long
so he gets to burst harder while im hoping for SD procs
paper gulch
considering my name in the picture is purple and my name has "dh" in it
Eh. I didn’t care enough to read. Thought that was your arms rating but you wanna be condescending
upbeat wharf
In AoE, how bad would it be for me to immediately use Avatar, Colossus Smash into Bladestorm, as Slayer?
minor gust
In AoE, how bad would it be for me to immediately use Avatar, Colossus Smash int...
Minor dps increase to cleave/sd before BS
latent moss
Im washed up trash my rogue buddy finnally beat me
gg
gentle gyro
Falling behind in retail is the worst thing imaginable, nobody invites you anywhere now. But those same dudes cleared +10s in the first couple of days
hexed saddle
@stable fiber whats colo arms like on dwagons
minor gust
heaven
stable fiber
<@232249410103279616> whats colo arms like on dwagons
plays similar to fury
hexed saddle
does it fuck?
upbeat wharf
Minor dps increase to cleave/sd before BS
Is that from Reap the Storm applying Overwhelmed?
minor gust
just cleave fucks
stable fiber
it owns if you dont have 2 dragons 2 dev dh's and 2 aff locks
hexed saddle
basically just save cs + demo for every add spawn?
stable fiber
like my fuckass kill did
stable fiber
^
minor gust
and no one steals your pad
stable fiber
i had bdks gripping to me
stable fiber
but had people stealing pad
stable fiber
i was prob better off playing slayer
minor gust
im basically soloing the orbs every set
until the other dps figure out how to steal my pad
stable fiber
aoe on final hit is largely right
yeah
demo should hit orbs
the big aoe is after demo with the cleaves
idk if it was worth cleaving before or after demo
minor gust
idk either
stable fiber
think if you dont have others padding
minor gust
might be more consistent to just cleave but like a demo crit might be way better than 2-3 cleaves
stable fiber
you can send after
well a lot of demolishes damage is built into sweep also
so also better to guranteed have it sweep onto the other dragon
slender sonnet
https://tenor.com/view/baseball-netting-baseball-infield-tarp-bench-chair-gif-17...
our other 2 warriors benched/rerolled
im the last one standing
slender sonnet
I can't think of a single boss I'd go fury for
stable fiber
psure its just better on every fight now on very very high end
slender sonnet
esp with how many padders my guild has
stable fiber
my god slayer arms is gonna go fucking crazy
in p3 crown
idk i feel like the spec should be getting played on crown rn
but it just doesnt
nobody knows because liquid and echo didnt play it
ig execute also was ass when liquid and echo killed the boss
p3 is like the only phase that dps matters in and it goes bananas in p3
you also lust in p3 so you get lust execute AND sweep
like is this not just crazy
minor gust
is there an add in P3?
glacial pebble
is beloran a good fight for arms
minor gust
yes
stable fiber
is there an add in P3?
p3 the shield add spawns with 1 hp and a shield on top of the p1 adds
glacial pebble
over fury ?
stable fiber
the shield add from p2 *
wind hatch
arms gonna feel good on crown too
i am looking forward to that fight
stable fiber
so you are execute sweeping a 1 hp add onto another add WITH lust
and then when lust runs out you can execute aleeria
100% execute duration all of p3
pretty much
stable fiber
its easily the best spec in p3 but might be the worst spec in p1 and mid in p2
nova marsh
How is arms exe compared to other classes
nova marsh
Neat
nova marsh
....is that bad?
Ahh okay
Tbh idk what classes besides warr and dk actually execute
Well
stable fiber
i can check vorasius for example
nova marsh
Warr and udk
nova marsh
Ph yeah kill shot
stable fiber
think thats about it
nova marsh
Tf does lock have
stable fiber
nah not kill shot
they get like 30% crit chance i think
during execute
on all buttons (mm does)
nova marsh
stable fiber
this is more what id expect
nova marsh
Seeing arms on top
stable fiber
r2 log
nova marsh
Oh my god
nova marsh
I stg were back
stable fiber
they keeping us down though
(echo and liquid)
let me see if a mythic dragons slayer log exists
surely it does
paper gulch
Falling behind in retail is the worst thing imaginable, nobody invites you anywh...
It’s not that bad considering 0’s drop champion gear. Prey’s drop champion gear. Delves give hero vaults champion gear and 1 hero item a week. It’s a harder grind but still able to be done
slender sonnet
ARMS MY GOAT
stable fiber
the execute goes crazy now
nova marsh
It’s not that bad considering 0’s drop champion gear. Prey’s drop champion gear....
Champion gear is handed out like candy
My warrior is already 250
And Ive had him at 90 for like 8 hours of gameplay
+delve ethereal
even if he is ludicrously expensive
raw atlas
Any Arms Slayer goat in keys 16+?
nova marsh
God damn
gentle gyro
It’s not that bad considering 0’s drop champion gear. Prey’s drop champion gear....
It's very hard
slender sonnet
I think there's errors in my UI
gentle gyro
I think there's errors in my UI
same, just happened today
and I don't know which one causes it
slender sonnet
think it's elvui
gentle gyro
Not using that one
short spear
its kinda dumb that execute is so weak that its last in priority during execute phase without sudden death
glacial pebble
anyone here mythic raid with arms?
slender sonnet
ya
glacial pebble
how is it?
glacial pebble
competitive with fury or nah?
slender sonnet
I consistently beat our furys
dire hinge
Any Arms Slayer goat in keys 16+?
Arms has cleared 19s (including with Slayer)
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-mn-1/world/warrior/arms/0#content
glacial pebble
I consistently beat our furys
can i see your logs
dire hinge
anyone here mythic raid with arms?
Arms does fine on most fights for mythic. You can scroll through the public logs here and see where Arms shows up per-boss:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?class=Warrior
slender sonnet
silent pumice
61 idk
silent pumice
calm down bro, why are you so hostile
slender sonnet
I'm not
silent pumice
xsd
slender sonnet
I'm explaining what I did?
Im not trying to be hostile Im just tired and autistic as fuck
inner terrace
silent pumice
lel
dire hinge
for mythic:
- First boss: mostly fury (arms can keep up though)
- Second boss: mix of both Arms and Fury (preference)
- Third boss: mostly fury with a few high arms possible
- Fourth boss: mostly fury with a few high arms possible
- Fifth boss: 👑 Arms King Baby suck it fury
- Only 4 dps warriors have killed it publicly so far, not enough data
glacial pebble
Arms does fine on most fights for mythic. You can scroll through the public logs...
ty
glacial pebble
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/sy%c3%adlith
ty
dire hinge
slender sonnet
mostly fury on dragons? p3 not stack it in our favour?
silent pumice
we just talking numbers, crazy circle jerking
dire hinge
mostly fury on dragons? p3 not stack it in our favour?
just looking at raw overalls. Arms does giga pump on 2-target execute, but fury has more HP and can cleave the orb spawns easier throughout.
dire hinge
8 arms warriors in the top 100 warriors for that fight, for context
scattered equally, so it's not like we're super far behind or anything
slender sonnet
I'm just gonna stick to arms till I get benched for it
and then keep playing arms
slow saddle
Imagine if srms
dire hinge
arms owns
slow saddle
Did same st as fury
slender sonnet
(I won't get benched our fury got benched kekw)
boreal remnant
8 arms warriors in the top 100 warriors for that fight, for context
in no small part to fury being able to pad the fuck out of the adds
slow saddle
Holy arms tier it would be
boreal remnant
(I know it's not technically "pad")
dire hinge
right, that's mentioned 4 lines above your reply
minor gust
hold BS for small orb spawns
dire hinge
Arms can still do well, but we're so prone to RNG with Sudden Death cooldowns right now that it's pretty inconsistent
minor gust
boreal remnant
no 4 lines above mine was "Imagine if srms"
dire hinge
sorry, above the one you replied to
but fury has more HP and can cleave the orb spawns easier throughout.
boreal remnant
(I'm memeing don't hate me)
silent pumice
eternal crest
Hm. Is there any known bug that'd cause ravager to...not work?
Can't even /cast it or click it in spellbook.
eternal crest
Oh. Yeah, I just noticed that after disabling everything and it showed the error.
Whack. 
They did something similar with lunar beam but didn't think they'd do it with ravager.
maiden apex
Is arms raid profile really bad compared to fury? Except that one boss with the 3 bosses? Or maybe anything that changes in 12.05? have a hard time finding the actual changes with all the small updates in between
slow saddle
Is arms raid profile really bad compared to fury? Except that one boss with the ...
Nah arms is quite ol
But in simple terms
Fury sims 104k st
Arms sims 94?
So u loosin 10% st in most scenarios.
Or 6/7% if compared 2 thane. But thane lives more, has super easy pad style, and somewhat mini burst in aoe
maiden apex
Hmm. Ok. So its easier to pad. Im not sure my hands can handle fury tho but maybe that's not an issue with pruning 😅
But if arms isn't a lot worse I'll keep at it. Really love the playstyle
thick kelp
ok u guys got me colarms is fun as fuck in m+
hooly
hexed saddle
hooly
i did 4 seats for vault + gloves
hoooooly this spec farms the fuck out of 2nd boss
slow saddle
Hmm. Ok. So its easier to pad. Im not sure my hands can handle fury tho but mayb...
Its also better single target
If it was arms ahead by 10k
thick kelp
hoooooly this spec farms the fuck out of 2nd boss
did u do atleast 200k there
slow saddle
Arms would f u c k
wind hatch
hoooooly this spec farms the fuck out of 2nd boss
IT DOES
hexed saddle
did u do atleast 200k there
250k
outer lion
arms compensates with extra swag
slow saddle
Esp if thw gap between slayer and collosus was made smaller
thick kelp
hool
maiden apex
Arms would f u c k
Haha ok. Lets hope for some buffa
maiden apex
arms compensates with extra swag
😆
slow saddle
Even if fury or arms wasnt used in race
On the real bosses
For a simple reason, undertuned
maiden apex
Even if fury or arms wasnt used in race
Well they hardly seemed to use any melee in the race
slow saddle
Well they hardly seemed to use any melee in the race
Well only meelees tuned well
Uhdk and ret
Meanwhile dks had grip as well
rose stratus
is this overall or st
nova marsh
Yeah I'm fresh
I don't think it's TERRIBLE for a character who has been 90 for like
12 hours
Also my gear is ass and I have no haste.
Is anyone else having problems fitting BS into CS? Does that just get better with 4pc?
short spear
4 piece makes is easily possible
rose stratus
no cata charges?
short spear
well at 2k rating youll have 3
nova marsh
Ye
Really just a get to 2k asap angle
I can easily do that over waiting another week
short spear
ya, but i dont think a new charge is available next week so its definitely a vault or raid rng
rose stratus
blizz will probably change that later in the season me thinks
nova marsh
The hope is they learn from this
and just make it account wide from the rip next season
robust sequoia
so, arms aoe is better than fury in m+ but worse ST for bosses?
pulsar frost
so, arms aoe is better than fury in m+ but worse ST for bosses?
Col is stronger in aoe with bad ST. Slayer arms has consistent but weaker overall aoe but has good ST
robust sequoia
and arms is currently stronger than fury for m+ as a whole?
pulsar frost
Eh id say they're kinda even for most part
robust sequoia
gotcha, my fury thane ST damage kinda sucks
pulsar frost
If overall is all yoy care for. Col arms os the way to go. Just St is garbo unless funneling
robust sequoia
i just care for pushing io and using the best spec haha xD
pulsar frost
i just care for pushing io and using the best spec haha xD
Reroll off warrior then
robust sequoia
true LMAO
pulsar frost
But both warrior hero spec and talents can push higher IO
You see the top warrior players are both arms and fury. We ignore prot
short spear
warrior aint the best but its not bad either
pulsar frost
Warrior as always is consistently mid
robust sequoia
my bad st must just be a skill issue which is good i can improve it
short spear
as long as we dont enter another tww season 2 power level, ill be happy i think
robust sequoia
prio is ST is always rampage bb execute raging blow thunder clap yea? then tb blast procs take second prio
marsh needle
If I am in execute phase, rage starved, and can press Execute, but MS is off cooldown, do I just wait for enough rage to press MS? or just execute
just feelsbad sometimes
pulsar frost
If I am in execute phase, rage starved, and can press Execute, but MS is off coo...
you cope really hard
harder then coping MS wont hit fro 26-46k
thick kelp
If I am in execute phase, rage starved, and can press Execute, but MS is off coo...
do you have CS up on your target?
marsh needle
you cope really hard
um do u know what coping is
its a legitimate question im not sure what would be cope
marsh needle
do you have CS up on your target?
no im talking about like downtime
pulsar frost
um do u know what coping is
yes
short spear
whats the brez item for midnight called
pulsar frost
how is asking a question about the rotation coping?
im meming, wasnt meant to be taken seriously
hence my statement right after
pulsar frost
whats the brez item for midnight called
emergency soul link
short spear
so its a tooltip error sayign it wont
pulsar frost
so its a tooltip error sayign it wont
wdym, are you trying to berez in key andi t wont berez?
dire hinge
it's really sad seeing how much arms sucks ya know
wish we did any damage, oh well
pulsar frost
it's really sad seeing how much arms sucks ya know <:sad_cat:1202145417895358495...
didnt break 200k dps, needs buff
dire hinge
basically unplayable tbh
minor gust
you better have been the right spec
dire hinge
you better have been the right spec
i technically did the last two bosses as Prot because our tank DC'd so... yes?
minor gust
pulsar frost
dire hinge
luckily the last two on Windspire are back to back (when he DC'd) and Prot does the same ST as Colossus* Arms does
dire hinge
if i was slayer the tank wouldn't have DC'd
minor gust
Amen
pulsar frost
if i was slayer the tank wouldn't have DC'd <:sad_cat:1202145417895358495>
TRUE
you did this to yourself
livid cloak
it's really sad seeing how much arms sucks ya know <:sad_cat:1202145417895358495...
What level of key was that? Ive been tanking a lot but only seeing people in the 100s to 130k overall range up to +13s so far
dire hinge
yeah like whole wings
livid cloak
This is what I've been seeing
But ive been seeing screenshots and clips of people doing upwards of 200k overall
So idk what I'm missing
thick kelp
bigger pulls
I was playing a pit +10 with a bdk pulling 1-2 packs at a time
ended with like a 140k overall
then had a brew who pulled the entire key in 5 pulls
200k overall
livid cloak
Lol
dire hinge
yeah, almost every high overall in keys is a tank/healer diff
ebon tendon
Just switching to war, not super interested in swapping specs every other fight or for keys.. playing in a world last cutting edge guild just looking to blast with the boys, arms or fury a better pick for an average noob
livid cloak
Fury
dire hinge
Fury probably, unironically
covert nest
I'm checking out Arms for the first time. Trying to trim my bar down. Which spells are considered filler/not really ever pressed, and can be safely taken off my bars? Right now I'm looking at Mortal Strike
thick kelp
None
covert nest
Like with Fury there's almost never any time to hit Execute.
thick kelp
You keep everything on your bars
outer lion
whirlwind you can do without, right
thick kelp
nope
dire hinge
in single target yeah
frosty basin
You wanna purge execute? Jesus
thick kelp
transforms into cleave if talented
pulsar frost
Like with Fury there's almost never any time to hit Execute.
but you do click it?
espically slayer
outer lion
ngl after playing arms since beginning of tww i've never noticed that cleave and whirlwind are technically the same button
then yeah literally everything is worth keeping on your bars even stuff like heroic throw can be useful in certain scenarios
thorn stream
Wanting to throw mortal strike on arms and execute on fury off bars ? 
That’s a first
covert nest
That’s a first
I did literally just say I'm looking at Arms for the first time, so yeah lol
just learning
void sigil
Would recommend looking to Wowhead and the Arms Warrior guide to read, written by our glorious Archi. It is very good, and easily digested.
Very very condensed version: Cleave, Mortal Strike, Execute good. Slam not so good, but when Heroic Strike - great.
dim basalt
Like with Fury there's almost never any time to hit Execute.
And yet it has a high prio
It is what it is
forest eagle
I'm checking out Arms for the first time. Trying to trim my bar down. Which spel...
Arms is the most fun
Fury is way easier
covert nest
Arms is the most fun
Just working on finding a good hand feel for it atm
forest eagle
Ah ye
covert nest
that's why I was asking if there was anything I could cut out, to condense it
dire hinge
Arms is one of the few specs that has more buttons in Midnight than it had in TWW
forest eagle
Arms is one of the few specs that has *more* buttons in Midnight than it had in ...
AND I LOVE IT
dire hinge
that's why I was asking if there was anything I could cut out, to condense it
Totally understandable. Unfortunately, many of Arm's cooldowns have been designed in a way where they naturally desync as you play. This makes it hard to macro things together, and almost every DPS-dealing ability in our kit is used in some capacity.
nova marsh
Totally understandable. Unfortunately, many of Arm's cooldowns have been designe...
Also most of our cds are on the gcd
I think ava is the only one off gcd
rose ibex
Hold cds for CS
Never hold CS
dim basalt
Fury is way easier
Theyre equally easy
rose ibex
Maybe arms needs the crispest secondary stats you can get
Fury is stupidly fast. I dislike it
dire hinge
they're both GCD bound and like haste 👀
rare kite
Arms is one of the few specs that has *more* buttons in Midnight than it had in ...
If you want to be pedantic it did lose sks and roar
rose ibex
I have 18% haste and I feel that is not enough
rare kite
Sure as hell shouldve lost ravager too
thick kelp
Totally understandable. Unfortunately, many of Arm's cooldowns have been designe...
DPS warrior the only specs in the game where blizzards midnight design philosophy got reversed
strong pine
Sooo is it just me or does arms hit like a wet noodle on colossus on bosses? I could be playing it wrong just curious
I delete Adds pretty well but bosses are rough
covert nest
I feel like I could learn to like Arms. I'm coming from only playing Fury. The slower pace feels good. I just gotta find spots for my binds that feel good. I've got Q as my main spam button for Fury, so I'm trying to figure out what to put there for Arms.
void sigil
Sooo is it just me or does arms hit like a wet noodle on colossus on bosses? I c...
No dont worry, the ST of Colossus is not good. The Aoe, however.
dire hinge
Sure as hell shouldve lost ravager too
Hard agree, would be wonderful if it was just baked into a passive in Avatar
dire hinge
it's not even impacted by Anger Management for some reason
ha true, but that'd be too good
thick kelp
Weirdest call of the year
everything in our kit has cdr but ravager
just a flat 1.5min cd that ONLY makes cleave do more dmg for 8s
smoky kayak
because BS isn't, and for some reason blizz treats Ravager as the analogue to Bladestorm, even though it's actually Demolish