arms

[sacred summit]

and is our pure st still tank dps level bad?

[quaint snow]

It never was

sim

[olive nest]

You basically do double damage to the prio target when you are hitting 3+ mobs

You can quick sim 3 targets and then go look at the full html it’ll show you priority target damage

[latent moss]

basically double

it doesnt scale past 2 extra targets on top of prio mob

4set is very important

[molten rapids]

Do i want my reck pot to give me crit or haste as slayer arms in m+?

[latent moss]

idk i use main stat

[olive nest]

Me when I’m funneling ezzorak

[latent moss]

i was thinking about haste on pot tech

to get like mini lust

but i cant have less crit than haste

in my current gear

[olive nest]

Can guidon force enough haste to always proc haste reck pot?

[latent moss]

u are!

surely

its like 700 haste xdd

[olive nest]

Xd

[latent moss]

ur crit and haste should be kinda close anyway

"should"

depends on robot but ye

for me they are kinda close

1100 crit with flask and like almost 800 haste

very low mastery and vers

only vers piece ih ave is voidclaw gauntlets from seat

[olive nest]

I have so much mastery from maining fury in raid

I’ve been working on farming the Crit gear from keys

Considering swapping my crafts to Crit haste tbh

I think I’m reclearing the bosses as arms this week

I get to be in on paladins as arms anyway

Full comit to arms sims

[warm fog]

I feel like jewelry and recrafts should be enough

[olive nest]

Yeah I’ve just been swapping jewelry for keys but I’m pretty sure I’m fully committing at this point

Arms has been proven to be good

No way rl benches me for the other fury surely

Oh god puzzle box stonks massive after I drop all the mastery gear

[thick kelp]

Welcome tot the club

[reef prairie]

I will never equip puzzlebox .

[thick kelp]

I will stop using it when I can cheese my gear to prefer a myth heart + plum

[olive nest]

Same boat 289 puzzi b + vorasius heart

Surely guidon

@latent moss Hole up imagine.. paladins 5 min alignment, colossus + guidon + reck pot(haste)

30+ seconds of cs all day long xd

[rose ibex]

Jesus 289 puzzlebox

[olive nest]

First vault proc

[rose ibex]

Maaaan I need better trinkets. I still have 2 champ trinkets

Wind heart and bird crit-stal

[olive nest]

Grind them keys fam

Arms owns

[rose ibex]

All i get is capes

Capes forever

Capes to infinity

1 billion capes

Hoping for a big thick trinky in vault

[brisk orbit]

seeing more slayers in keys. is that a high key phenomenon for ST dmg?

[latent moss]

hooooly

people testing it

[flat willow]

not being able to loot capes was the best part of s3 of war within

[latent moss]

key and comp dependent

[flat willow]

man I hate capes so much

[warm fog]

Mine are crap too, the only heart I’ve seen on any difficulty was lfr

[rose ibex]

Slayer is good and has a smoother damage profile

Colossus puts out some of the best aoe in the game, but you basically massage bosses to death

Im trying to switch it up depending on the team

[brisk orbit]

collo st feels like it depends on my MS resets during CS. ill try out some of the slayer M+ build. i wouldnt mind lower peaks if i got to actually bonk a boss

[latent moss]

slayer st depends on everything colo depends on

• sudden death

[reef prairie]

Slayer is probably more up and down than colo yea

[rose ibex]

Slayer st is not good either. Its just better

[brisk orbit]

you dont take the MS reset on slayer though. no? from op

[latent moss]

u do

[brisk orbit]

oh, nvm lol

[rose ibex]

Slayer is simpler and more proc based. It feels faster

It cycles bs a lot more so it gets to use it more often

[kind stag]

slayer feels better

less clunky

less CDs to watch

ravager also blows

[rose ibex]

I think if you tank is doing giga pulls clarms is better but if there is more chain pulling slayer is probably competitive

[kind stag]

agreed

[misty bridge]

🫃

[latent moss]

idk from my testing

slayer is not competitive in aoe with colo

but does a lot more st

[rose ibex]

No its really not

[latent moss]

depends on comb

comp

[rose ibex]

Colossus has top top tier aoe

[latent moss]

what u need more

if u need st play slayer

[olive nest]

Exact same experience here after playing both extensively

[rose ibex]

I tend to play with frost mages so I usually can do whatever I want because I feel like they do everything good

[olive nest]

If you pretty much exclusively pug you can probably “carry” easier as slayer

But that’s just feely craft guess

Who knows

[viscid meteor]

Did my first key as arms this season and since a few seasons back so im very rusty, anything to keep in mind if u guys look at this? I ended up doing 145k overall in dungeon

Just tryna get into arms before we progress vanguard mythic

[wind hatch]

looks about right

[viscid meteor]

Really?

[wind hatch]

hard to know anything specific without log or vod

[viscid meteor]

I mean true

but sometimes damage breakdown tells u a bit

But cheers, that means im atleast not doing anything giga wrong

[wind hatch]

yeah

[flint cedar]

I was super hesitant about crossing over to Colo for m+. I love the way slayer feels. But last night i was pleased with the dps as colo. Just throw up ravager and pop cleaves when its available. It was fun stuff

[sacred summit]

@olive nest @latent moss so how much is that in comparison to other specs like fury, frost/arcane, devour, demo, etc?

[sacred summit]

wasnt our pure st pretty bad even after the aura buffs early/mid march until they steadily buffed our st more and more

[torn nest]

So if the PTR goes through as is will arms be worse off than live or better?

[latent moss]

better

colo at least

[latent moss]

idk fury has no funnel idk about the rest

[zealous lily]

For colo, do we hold ravager for colossus smash and vice versa or no?

[soft gust]

Hold rav for CS, never hold CS

[quaint snow]

st not being on the lower end of the spectrum and arms doing tank damage are two different worlds

[zealous lily]

Noted. Ty

[storm canopy]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/EAOBRUFVFVRGZEqRQBENVUVVCZBUWRUF0CFAFVVVVUBA
is this the slayer m+ build or

[zealous lily]

And avatar we send on cd or we hold for CS?

[floral tide]

Still wild to me that colossus is the aoe hero talent and not slayer

[soft gust]

Avatar with cs

although it should align

if you're consistent

[floral tide]

Tbh I'm just gonna macro avatar to CS

[zealous lily]

Kk ill work on that

[soft gust]

That's what I do

[zealous lily]

Samw

[soft gust]

I have a separate keybind for just CS in case I want to hold ava for a damage amp mechanic

Like corewarden in NPX is a great spot to just cast CS first and then send CS + Ava + battle pot into the damage amp

[sacred summit]

well yea fury has no funnel but how do their damage compare in that scenario? overall and to prio target? cuz i assume arms’ pure st is lower than mt fury’s st right?

[latent moss]

yes

but arms prio dmg is way higher cause of funnel

[sacred summit]

gotcha
overall fury still higher there?

(ik its gonna be pad/cleave dmg for fury)

also very curious how it compared to specs like ret or arcane then since they benefit from having more adds around

wheras arms just needs 3+ targets and doesnt really scale off of much else

[soft gust]

Yeah but the prio damage is just kinda nuts from 3 targets and up

[storm canopy]

are we gona spec into stance mastery?

[soft gust]

Its not gonna be prio burst like ret

[sacred summit]

and with arms seemingly needing a monk and shammy in the comp im wondering how worth it it is to bring an arms in a key/viable it is in a pug setting vs the other specs

[soft gust]

But its v strong

[sacred summit]

yea i can see if it just does big dam its worth bringing
depends on the tuning i guess

[soft gust]

Its outperforms in AOE and has great prio, and does great on any 2T and 3T bosses

[sacred summit]

warrior seems like a class where it has to be tuned to do big dam since it doesnt have good util or invulnerability

esp fury cuz its all cleave no big st or prio/funnel dam

[rose ibex]

All the rets ive played with have been utterly godly in power. Arcane can out dps me in big pulls but they seem to do even less single target than we do

[sacred summit]

arms at least got funnel this tier cuz of 4p i guess

[sacred summit]

pure st?

[olive nest]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[sacred summit]

thats… interestingly surprising

[rose ibex]

Arcane single target is dog

[sacred summit]

im just new. i picked up warrior this season and now that ive learned (fury) how they work it seems… kinda low value? idk how to put it

[olive nest]

No no it’s just a meme that blizzard never gives warrior big damage when that’s the only reason to bring it

Tbf that is kind of arms right now

For m+

[rose ibex]

I've been whining a lot lately but its mainly because I feel pressure to do better. My damage is good but we're 'top tier' now and I feel it needs to be better

[quaint snow]

None of this genuinely matters unless you're currently pushing 17/18s

[sacred summit]

main dmg capped at 5t, not great st dmg with aoe, no prio/funnel
i mean fury kinda funnels since it does it normal rotation to the main target and whirlwind spreads the damage to 4 other targets but
compared to real funnel classes that damage doesnt seem to catch up

[sacred summit]

i see

[olive nest]

The problem is pug brain exists and people just won’t invite specs that are perceived as “bad”

[quaint snow]

So don't pug

[latent moss]

tbf

arms brings a lot of stops

[olive nest]

Also true

[sacred summit]

that is true, i dont disagree with you there but that is the topic i am asking. i do plan to push prolly 15/16 maybe 17s

but i pug a lot too outside of ppl from my guildgrp and stuff so the “perception” value is important
and i also want to understand this better from people who play arms more and know better

this is also something im struggling with in raid cuz fury isnt usually the top damage spec and i dont seem to be doing meaningful damage either with the way the kit works

[latent moss]

thats not funnel

[sacred summit]

no its not

[latent moss]

funnel is does ur prio dmg increase with multiple targets

[sacred summit]

yea its more like
kinda prio dmg but not rlly cuz it doesnt scale with anything

[sacred summit]

if only lmao
skillissue amirite?

[warm fog]

Fury has efficient cleave

[latent moss]

prio dmg and funnel are two diff things

u can do good prio dmg but not funnel

like fury

well apart from ramp tc spam

if u bb instead of tc spam

u do good prio dmg

[sacred summit]

ah i see

[rose ibex]

Raid is all about padding

[sacred summit]

i think ive read here in the fury channel that ramp tc spam is only a 2% ish increase from regular rotation lol

[rose ibex]

I struggle with knowing how to use bladestorm in raid, myself

[latent moss]

boss damage parses

goated

[rose ibex]

Save or send? Always the question. Always feels like a gamble

[sacred summit]

unfortunately lol took me a few kills to figure out even as a low cd spec all about reducing cds i gotta hold for adds to pad
i do parse about orange avg tho

[sacred summit]

fr

[rose ibex]

If you want to keep your spot in pug groups you gotta pad :P

[latent moss]

hold for cs

if u have like 2s left on cs u can safely send bs

due to tierset extending cs with ms

and unhinged

[sacred summit]

it really seems like fury is undertuned a bit since to do beeg dam u gotta bring monk and shammy
and in ur regular random comps ur just neck and neck or beat by other specs with better dmg profile or util

[latent moss]

1s is kinda gamble cause u dont know if its high 1s or low 1s type shit

idk i havent played fury in 17s or 18s

i only played arms

i dont think i wanna try fury ngl

boring spec

[sacred summit]

esp the higher keys i go these mf uhdks and devourers are hard as shit to catch

[rose ibex]

So like.... the first boss in raid is a good example i think. If I full send BS off the rip then I might not have it for the add phase that comes up. Is it better to save BS or gamble it anyways and hope I get sd procs?

[sacred summit]

and in st mt fury is lowkey dobby

[latent moss]

idk if u want to pad on first boss play colossus and just pop wb on pull

and hold every cd with pot for adds

and hope no one in ur group does add damage

but padding is cringe since its mostly impossible nowadays

cause everyone is gonna hold for pad

i just play full st slayer

but im not raiding so i only hc pug

[rose ibex]

Right? Like adds just get evaporated

[latent moss]

maybe stuff lives on mythic but at 272/273 i doubt

[rose ibex]

Yeah my group isnt raiding either

Im 271 atm myself

[latent moss]

id just run slayer everywhere except paladins

[untold vault]

Anybody knows why Crucible of Erratic Energies sims so good while it only provides 135 crit rating? It sims better than skyhold trinket

[rose ibex]

I think if I got the heart trinket from 2nd boss my dps would improve but im not sure how much my troubles are skill or efficiency related, or maybe its just padding

I need to start logging

[rose ibex]

Its bugged and the console upgrades work on it

[untold vault]

They do, so the crit rating provided is 167, still not the same as the skyhold one

[primal maple]

this is a bracer craft week right

[warped owl]

It has way higher uptime than the skyreach one

[half lichen]

Id guess there are better upgrades since cloak and bracers are the lowest stat weighted items, guess if you are fully mythic besides those pieces tho yeah

[untold vault]

I just tested and it feels like 80% uptime for both, 7 mins for both

[olive nest]

Me watching that cs timer bounce back and fourth between .5 & 1

[primal maple]

nah i missed this entire week since i was on vacation so im behind at 268 lol

[half lichen]

Yeah so probably craft something else then

Bracers and cloak are end game craft, basically you ultimately end up with that because crafted items are your worst items, so you want them on the lowest weighted ones just for embellishmenfs

So most people shouldn't be crafting them until maybe 2 to 4 weeks from now, really

[latent moss]

ye xdd

[half lichen]

Currently, for most people their crafts are their best items, so thats why you do things like weapons first, then move on to jewelry / boots / gloves / whatever your off piece is for set

But eventually you'll have mythic from raid or vault, so then crafted stuff will just be 4 ilvl lower than all your other stuff, hence using cloak / bracers

[rose ibex]

How important are those crafted items?

I figure i should probably make one eh? I have a mythic crafted weapon

[sacred zodiac]

Usually i agree but this tier there is voidclaw gauntlets, dunno how good they are for arms tho

[half lichen]

You should make whatever item is the biggest upgrade per Sims, basically

[sacred zodiac]

Jewelry isnt too special to farm for so ngl misc piece craft this week doesnt seem too troll

[half lichen]

For my ret pally they were straight up bad and worse than random other m+ gloves

[sacred zodiac]

That cant be right

[half lichen]

Idk raidbots said that atleast

[olive nest]

Yeah but having the nexus ring set is +1 cool factor

[old glacier]

Watching my damage on boss fights is sad.

[flat willow]

to the slayer m+ players, how do you guys get the rage to spam cleave for aoe burst without blood surge

I only played col but I find myself rage starved for the 4 cleave

[half lichen]

Maybe not straight up bad lol, but they were not an upgrade to better stat priod gloves

[olive nest]

Are you rending all targets?

[half lichen]

Or the Sim is wrong. Which is possible

[olive nest]

Helps rage a decent amount in aoe

[flat willow]

yeah but the slayer build doesn't take blood surge

[thick kelp]

smth bis smth

[flat willow]

as col aoe rage is nice but the 2 keys I did as slayer were inconclusive

[untold vault]

As a M+ slayer i cannot say i was ever rage starved.

[sacred zodiac]

And you were simming the normal 1 target 5 Minute Patchwork sim ye

@thick kelp go kill mythic lura noob

[flat willow]

maybe it's my slayer opener that is wrong

[half lichen]

Idk i dont sim for one target generally since I mostly do m+.

But I should chexk

[thick kelp]

:(

[flat willow]

I do rend > cs > 4 cleave (SD if I get any proc) > bladestorm

[sacred zodiac]

Ok if you do non Standard sims youll get non Standard results

[flat willow]

but sometimes I just don't have enough rage for the 4 cleaves

[untold vault]

I do rend CS BS then cleave as i get 15% haste from the BS itself, makes it feel smoother

[sacred zodiac]

Plausible that different gloves can do more aoe but especially with ret having that weird funnel archetype now you should probably want voidclaw even more

[rose ibex]

How many sparks can we have at this point?

[floral tide]

Don't you want them to have the 5 stacks of increased dmg from BS before cleaving?

[half lichen]

I just assumed that the damage from the proc wasnt enough to override having worse secondary stats, but ill have to sim it normally later with 1 tar boss type Sim

I kept them since they were an upgrade for holy pally set

As they proccd leech.

[sacred zodiac]

Do you even Auto as holy

Big dps Inc!!!!!

[half lichen]

No but the leech lol

All your healing also heals yourself as a healer w/ leech

[cyan skiff]

Charge > rend > charge > rotation

[half lichen]

Its juat a very strong stat for healing

[fierce hare]

does this look ok on ST 100% dummy?

[thick kelp]

yeah

[fierce hare]

great, just started arms 40 min ago first time in my life

wasnt unsure if I paniocked pressed too much

sure

[brisk orbit]

what build do you guys use for slayer m+, just the one on wowhead?

[nova marsh]

Ye I've been just using the wowhead one

[left shard]

does arms or fury have better burst on st?

[old glacier]

Well, this was embarassing. A nice grey parse on Crown.

[orchid thunder]

is arms good now for m+?

[quaint otter]

Yes

[nova marsh]

Unfort the pug experience is not

[quaint otter]

Yes

[orchid thunder]

W

[nova marsh]

Literally cannot get a group for my 8

I guess I just give up on the vault and hope the hero tracks give somethin good

[lone raft]

we can sim mythic+ with simcraft?

[nova marsh]

yes but generally ST has a better APL

[quaint otter]

Can sim dungeon route but its harsh

[slow saddle]

None

I mean in theory collosus if u go into a pull with stacks🤣

[latent moss]

colo way more burst

[lone raft]

so only way is to sim raid?

[latent moss]

even without stacks

[rose ibex]

Worst part about algethar is you can only pull packs into the last boss and those adds are cancer

[latent moss]

ye bro gl

pulling them on boss unless they are about to die

[rose ibex]

I hate algethar for many reasons. Puzzlebox, zero room for error, cancerous mobs and cancerous bosses

[mystic summit]

im cursed with myth track puzzlebox

[rose ibex]

Stupid giant pull in the beginning that bricks runs

[half lichen]

I think last boss algathar is one of the most fun ones in the line up, lots of fun dodging and stuff going on

[rose ibex]

Cursed indeed

Your burst must be nuts tho

[latent moss]

on top of that

[mystic summit]

ya its so aids though

[latent moss]

tight timer

like seat is tricky

but the timer is so free

we 2 chested a 17 easily

[rose ibex]

Seat is so much easier if you have movement purges

[latent moss]

with a fuck ass comp

just zerk rage bro

[half lichen]

So, do we want puzzlebox? I know its 4th bis overall, but i assume it depends on what content

[latent moss]

with fearless

[rose ibex]

Yeah

[latent moss]

no dont get puzzlebox

get guidon from first boss raid

tho as slayer idk if guidon is worth

after watching @tacit crystal

[half lichen]

Seems Gaze + Latches hook are the actual bis yeah?

[latent moss]

it seems kinda bad on slayer ngl

latches is bait

[rose ibex]

First boss trinket cd works so well with avatar

[thick kelp]

@minor gust How do I get r1 on chima if my cmp has 3 devourers

[tacit crystal]

i know how

@thick kelp

[latent moss]

dont be in the same group as them or what

[thick kelp]

I am not listening

to your spoon feed

[tacit crystal]

what spoonfeed

[thick kelp]

pad comp

88 pulls

[latent moss]

u are almost 277 broski

[rose ibex]

Have them jump off a cliff at start of raid

[tacit crystal]

i was only there for 20

🥀

[latent moss]

bro i cant get legs

lowk

i did like 20 keys that drop legs

0 drops

maybe vault foreshadowing

[thick kelp]

IT MIGHT BE PLAYABLE

[latent moss]

hoooly

[thick kelp]

JK

[cunning burrow]

arms or fury... wich one is more easy for new in class?

[latent moss]

@thick kelp

look guidon ilvl

[thick kelp]

Holy

[latent moss]

and bor is playing slayer

axaxaxxa

play colo u will have way more fun

[latent moss]

slayer is boring

[quaint otter]

Can sim ur average burst via 8-10t 40s but need to take into account other things like trinkets

[latent moss]

u are all so fed wth

[tacit crystal]

thank you @restive jay @wintry pagoda for feeding this chungus

holy pbox

[rose ibex]

I stil have so many champ pieces

I think im bugged to always get capes

[latent moss]

i just have legs that i cant get on hero so gg

[thick kelp]

fucking hate it

[latent moss]

what do i play on dragons heroic

[rose ibex]

Most of my gear comes from others giving me stuff

[latent moss]

full st with powerful?

i would check on wclogs but its dying

@minor gust

what did u play on dragons hc

[thick kelp]

Slayer

[latent moss]

or is ur 1 on mythic idk

[tacit crystal]

i played slayer fury

[storm canopy]

are the talents in dps faw updated?

[tacit crystal]

and just hit boss

cluegi

[latent moss]

ye thats waht i was thinking too

[thick kelp]

slarms ofc

on mystic u can colossus

since its 100% 2t

[latent moss]

bro no blord gameplay

is cancer

[thick kelp]

bigsmile

[tacit crystal]

do i do a coloussy key

[rose ibex]

Any of y'all can craft bracers?

[thick kelp]

ofc

[latent moss]

yes

colo for me is

[tacit crystal]

you should go to trade and find a crafter

[latent moss]

100x more fun

[tacit crystal]

sicne its per server

[storm canopy]

are we playing powerful momentum over mass execution

[rose ibex]

Colossus big smash

[thick kelp]

on what

[latent moss]

just type lfc and link the bracers

in trade

[tacit crystal]

but then i do 0 st 🥀

[storm canopy]

m+

[thick kelp]

naw

[rose ibex]

Server dead and is 90% alliance :(

[latent moss]

gg

idk

susge

[rose ibex]

Cant even get messages on my alliance toon

[restive jay]

You put 80 crests into bracers L

[tacit crystal]

bro

[minor gust]

You are cooked go broad and powerful and hope you get to cleave executes off the big guy onto the boss

[latent moss]

goat about to

[tacit crystal]

i was sitting on 200 crests

nice one

[latent moss]

show everyone how to pad

[rose ibex]

Rag :(

[tacit crystal]

i get 0 gear

what else ma i supposed to do

[storm canopy]

ty :))

[minor gust]

Slayer for heroic Colo for mythic

[restive jay]

You’re the same ilvl as my main

[tacit crystal]

crazy pfp btw bozo

yeah after i took trinket

and sent crests

[restive jay]

Who

[minor gust]

I am the savior

[restive jay]

My pfp?

Oh him

[tacit crystal]

no the guy who has bozo

[latent moss]

bozo

nvm im just gonna do paladins

easier boss lowk

• im saved from slayer gameplay

[tacit crystal]

cocoa

do you wanna push

on ret

[latent moss]

axaxaxax

[tacit crystal]

or dk cluegi

[rose ibex]

Clarms gonna be insane if the 12.0.5 changes go through

[latent moss]

say dk so gio five seven can play arms

[tacit crystal]

@silk spade what if you go ret

and cocoa go dk

no man

i gotta go brew so can play

🥀

[latent moss]

aaxaxaxaxax

gg

[minor gust]

Play Colo for mythic dragons and tell everyone you can solo the orbs and for everyone else to ignore them. They will surely listen

[latent moss]

they would listen to tmy

[tacit crystal]

the goat

[latent moss]

he would get r1 boss dam due to funnel

and overall due to pad

[minor gust]

My dks are gorefiending on me for every gloom set

I was smashing but now the dummies are starting to learn and steal my pad when I said I got the orbs

[nova marsh]

Oh god

[tacit crystal]

you dont do it like me lil gup

[thick kelp]

i am NOT

getting a parse

[tacit crystal]

neither did i

i had to raid lead ydya

pure cancer

for 3 hours

hahahahaha

[bitter mango]

Colo or Slayer for m+ atm?

[tacit crystal]

all that to lose the alnseer

both

[latent moss]

both

[tacit crystal]

slayer if you want st

[minor gust]

Screw the purple pad stealers

[limber valve]

reject overall damage, embrace damage done to bosses

[olive nest]

Oh it’s GG

[wind hatch]

never

[slow saddle]

Tbf slayer does very gold overalls as well

Col just funnel god

[rose ibex]

Is it better to go colossus or slayer for first boss of raid?

Or does it even matter?

[wind hatch]

imo it's pretty close

you can get slightly higher overalls playing colossus but slayer performs very well too

[rose ibex]

ST slayer or m+ slayer?

Tbh I find them very similar for st

[wind hatch]

st slayer dropping both bloodborne points and bloodsurge for cleave, FoB, and collateral damage

[safe island]

i need help. i’m not really sure how to manage rage during the execute phase.

[fierce hare]

hi im new to arms how come I am making good dps on ST dummy with this spell priority when on raidsbots it shows similar smg but comepeltely diffeerent spell priorirty?

for me overpower is 2nd

dps is same 56-57k

[safe island]

if i mess up execute a few times, my rage just disappears

[summer niche]

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https://klipy.com/gifs/work-out-excercise

[rose ibex]

Ill try it

I feel naked without cleave

Is pure st build better for 2nd boss?

[wind hatch]

yeah, maybe u can drop 1 bloodborne for powerful momentum but I just go full st

[olive nest]

Or Colossus hold cd gaming

[wind hatch]

I literally needed to go slayer to kill the boss my raid sucks

[safe island]

honestly, rage is easy to manage if i just don’t press execute, but the problem is it doesn’t make sense to only use mortal strike at 2 executioner stacks. if i press execute twice, my rage disappears so fast that i can’t manage it with just overpower or heroic strike

[olive nest]

Overpower more often

[safe island]

i didn’t even take the rage refund talent, so i really don’t understand how i’m supposed to manage my rage

[olive nest]

You’re not wrong rage management is a struggle right now we don’t really have enough

Charge weave helps

[minor gust]

You are gonna lose rage fast without 2 points in CT that's why you prio OP a lot in execute phase

Helps to have a shaman in the grp as well as don't be unlucky with procs

[olive nest]

You op a lot in execute

[nova marsh]

Charge weave is a thing too

[safe island]

can’t i just use mortal strike normally? building it up to 2 executioner stacks feels like the biggest problem

[minor gust]

No it's a DPS loss

[olive nest]

I mean technically sure it’s just not the highest possible damage

Better to learn to play correctly

Just practice

[olive nest]

What happens to me often is I’ll have 1 stack of EP, 1 or no charges of op, ms is about to come off cd in 1 global, and I don’t have enough rage to execute straight into MS

[safe island]

when overpower is fully used up and the only thing i can press is execute, i genuinely don’t know what i’m supposed to do

[olive nest]

I’d guess you are experiencing the same

[thick kelp]

you do what the sim does

it waits for resources

:)

or you charge weave

[olive nest]

exactly I was trying to get that across

To assist proud

We love waiting for resources btw

[safe island]

sometimes i press execute without even realizing it and it completely screws me over

[olive nest]

Addicting button innit

[safe island]

fury warrior always has something to press, but with arms it’s really frustrating when i have no rage and no overpower

[vapid spire]

I can't find the patch note for all classes

[olive nest]

Take me back to ToM pi execute 7 globals Zug Zug

[olive nest]

Don’t forget to wrecking throw

[hallow fiber]

Is intervene + die by the sword a valid way to help a tank live?

[safe island]

i don’t really use wrecking throw much, to be honest

[olive nest]

Little gap filler

[wind hatch]

can work but very niche

[olive nest]

Wonder if you see your monk struggling on first pull AA if that would be impactful

[thick kelp]

wrecking throw is a gain

shld be a stable filler in your slayer rotation

[wind hatch]

i love wrecking throw

[civic topaz]

iceveins guide for arms last updated mar16, still optimal?

[nova marsh]

how much out of curiousity

[slow saddle]

Tbh both things should never be true. If spec works

[safe island]

but unlike the rotation written on wowhead, the simc apl says to use mortal strike either at 2 stacks of ep or when the target has the cs debuff. does that mean if the cs debuff is up, i don’t need to wait for 2 stacks?

[slow saddle]

Yes

Also let op regen rage.

[thick kelp]

like 0.1-0.2

the OP line rage conditional

is very important btw

[olive nest]

That line is saying when both conditions are met

Not one or the other wrong it’s or

[thick kelp]

it says or

the line is an or

[slow saddle]

So op if below 90 rage?

[thick kelp]

if it was both it would be &

[olive nest]

| is or?

[thick kelp]

ye

[olive nest]

My mistake

[thick kelp]

yes when playing fierce followthru and not battlelord

[olive nest]

So then it’s figured out that it’s worth it to MS inside cs regardless of stacks of ep

Makes sense

[slow saddle]

Specs not healthy

[thick kelp]

nope

and thats with skyfury

:)

[slow saddle]

If 90 rage = op? 100 rage exe?

[thick kelp]

yeah

anything less than 90

spend your OP

if you cant spend OP send exe

[slow saddle]

Even at 1 stack?

Ok

I need to relearn thst

[safe island]

does heroic strike’s priority going up during the execute phase also have to do with rage management?

[slow saddle]

But i presume hs always send?

[thick kelp]

yeah

hs asap

[slow saddle]

But op before ms?

Or always ms?

[thick kelp]

i mean

that ms is the highest line there

below hs

[safe island]

execute phase is really damn hard

[slow saddle]

But if no cs up

[nova marsh]

Tbh

[slow saddle]

And no ep

[nova marsh]

I know this is a hot take of the century

But I kinda wish they'd just make MS cast HS

[slow saddle]

In st somewhat yes

[nova marsh]

Or HS goes onto MS instead of slam

[thick kelp]

if cs down and you dont have 2 ep stacks you dont ms

[slow saddle]

Cs down?

[wind hatch]

I think hs on slam is cool

[slow saddle]

Or up?

[wind hatch]

hs fob feels really nice

[slow saddle]

So

[nova marsh]

I think it's fine outside of Exe

[slow saddle]

Do same with ms?

[nova marsh]

But exe is kind of a mess

[slow saddle]

So sub 35% ms also sends hd?

[nova marsh]

At least it feels like it

[slow saddle]

Would be cool. Ngl

[nova marsh]

Yeah

that

Sub 35% maybe MS just sends a slam or smth, basically ST fervor

[safe island]

this is also one of the things i couldn’t understand

[nova marsh]

It's for keys when you're running mass execution

[thick kelp]

hover the ?

[safe island]

i guess so

[dire hinge]

it's that fine line there yeah

Cleave is too strong

[slow saddle]

I mean hard 2 get col stacks on 1 target

I mean a lot could be fixxed with more rage

Like prio is cucked due to lacko rage

Thats mad

At anytime where 90 rage is op tis mad

[safe island]

but when the execute phase starts, do i stop using cleave? it says to use cleave on targets below 35%, but once execute phase begins, am i not supposed to use it? does that mean it’s only for targets between 35% and above 20%?

[dire hinge]

It does show up in the slayer_execute APL as well, **BUT **you'll never want to press Cleave if you're running Improved Execute, which Slayer M+ usually takes

[thick kelp]

mind reader

[dire hinge]

those two lines next to each other basically act like a conditional

[dire hinge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tom-behringer-calling-it

[warm fog]

Feels like a fundamental flaw with arms

[slow saddle]

Arms is better with overflowin rage

Ssdly

Also hs ducks exe a bit

[dire hinge]

The APL is basically one-spell-per-line, and you can't do conditionals (Execute OR Cleave IF [statement is true]). So you have to put each spell on its own line. So you end up with this:

actions.slayer_execute+=/execute,if=talent.improved_execute
actions.slayer_execute+=/cleave,if=talent.mass_execution

In practice, it's basically "For Slayer M+ in ST Execute, just press Execute, don't press Cleave"
Both spells cost at least 20 rage, so as long as you take Improved Execute the second line about Cleave will never happen.

[finite panther]

im playing paladins rn and some pulls im raged starved and sometimes im capping. is it just random with ravager

[slow saddle]

I like hs but ms should send iy sub 35%

[slow saddle]

Its not rav

Its just hs procs op procd

[warm fog]

Rage being a carefully spent resource feel like a poor design from a class fantasy angle

[safe island]

i see

[dire hinge]

it's a bit confusing by all means

i honestly find myself copy/pasting the whole APL into a new document, and then just deleting lines that aren't relevant and then seeing what's left over

and that helps my brain see what to do

[olive nest]

Kicking the MS available send it asap habit is a tough one ngl

[safe island]

to play warrior, you have to be smart. it doesn’t feel very warrior-like

[dire hinge]

Arms is supposed to be the thinker class, but in reality it's basically just "1-2 target? MS!" and "3 target? Cleave!"

[safe island]

i think i’ve gotten a bit used to slayer arms now, but when it shifts to two targets or the execute phase kicks in, my brain still kind of freezes sometimes

[dire hinge]

that's honestly totally normal

i genuinely miss when we could have a sound alert go off when bosses hit 35% to insta-swap to our execute rotation.

[umbral badger]

i'd still say arms is the thinker class :p cuz you gotttabe more strategic about your cds. but more in colossus case than slayer i guess ?

[safe island]

the biggest problem is that i end up pressing execute without even realizing it

[umbral badger]

and hi ppl

[dire hinge]

most of the logs im reviewing these days are people not noticing the boss hit 35% and kept doing ST rotation for too long

[umbral badger]

agree, i am guilty of this sometimes when i go slayer cuz i am not too used to slayer yet

[warm fog]

What’s wild is that if you look at blizzards new class deign philosophy, it’s odd that arms ended up like this

[dire hinge]

yeah and we'll see how that changes with the PTR update where Colossal Might gives us 5sec of CD per excess stack over 10. Might mean we're less strategic with it.

[umbral badger]

but man trying to go slayer on some bosses feels ass if your guild does strategy differently than what suits arms

[nova marsh]

People arent used to watching it

[dire hinge]

real

[nova marsh]

We're used to having a sound or something kick in

Or colored hp bars

[dire hinge]

i heard someone super cool and handsome had a weakaura that made a sound for it, back in the day

alas

we may never know

[olive nest]

[safe island]

there’s just too much to keep track of…

[umbral badger]

yea but if you hit a dummy you only get 1-2 mortals before CS reset at full stacks of clossal might so it will just ennd up lining up for ST, but yes more spam in aoe.

[olive nest]

Don’t worry it’s a lot up front but you will get it with some practice

[umbral badger]

Man i hated saladar arms so much, like i see the replay of top arms warriors on saladar the orbs kite is perfect, but then i try saladar as arms and i get zero chance to sweeping so i just go fury lol

[olive nest]

You’ll notice yourself start passively reacting to the procs and prio the more you play trust

[umbral badger]

like arms have such a high positioning requirement or some shit

[dire hinge]

honestly as long as the boss dies, huge success

parses are just a cherry on top

[umbral badger]

yea i am going with the spec that works for hte boss kill at this point

fk parses

i will parse on vanguard

the only fight that works exactly like arms wants xd

[dire hinge]

parse on Kaiju boss by pinging the wrong side for beam during execute phase so you have more time to execute spam when your team dies

[umbral badger]

100% fury thane took me a while to comprehend proc wise, it's like your rage is almost always full and you have everything and every proc in the world ready and my brain was farting at first

[dire hinge]

"it's unethical, but in a pinch you can hand off a cursed amulet to any baby"

[umbral badger]

now i feel better using thane :p

[olive nest]

Pinging the wrong side so the range fumble more casts letting the boss live longer.. hollyy.. big ole brain there nice!

[nova marsh]

Yall need pings for that?

[dire hinge]

i may have ACCIDENTALLY done that in LFR when it first came out

i felt terrible

[umbral badger]

to be fair, parsing is giga hard as arms now. you have bosses with only 100 to 200 arms logs and so you can do 5k less than the top arms and still get shit parse

[nova marsh]

[rose ibex]

I got 77k on kaiju heroic. I am stronger now

[dire hinge]

yeah i was just talking with Mr. Wahle about how Heroic Dragons is just an RNG fight with your sudden death procs letting you bladestorm more orbs or not

[olive nest]

I mean yeah you can’t worry about the color of the parse, just go “hmm the top guy did 100k and I did 93k damn I’m pretty good”

And then move on with life

[rose ibex]

Heart dropped but alas i missed it again

[shell arch]

is this good? my friend got a hero version but this is not even on the bloodmallet list

[nova marsh]

Parsing is just cooked this tier

[safe island]

the biggest problem is that arms is fun

[nova marsh]

Sim it but its been okay in my experience

[umbral badger]

that was the case with fury slayer too when first we did hc dragons early, but it was more consistant as fury slayer than arms slayer ? does fury slayer get to reset BS more or does it get more procs in hero i don't know

[nova marsh]

Slayer is such a vibe man

But please give me haste

[umbral badger]

also i honestly think i hate when you reset BS so fast then it gets lsower later

[dire hinge]

they can sim it, but i doubt it

[wind hatch]

not a very good trinket but simming is always the answer

[civic topaz]

how long are you delaying colossus might?

[olive nest]

Never

Unless specifically for a damage amp

Or add spawn in raid

[umbral badger]

when slayer gets lucky with Sudden deth procs early and BS ends up being used desynced from avatar feels bad, but i guess we can't do anyting about it ?

[dire hinge]

mmm, you should be holding Demolish for your next CS 👀

[safe island]

did sudden death stop triggering reap the storm on the ptr?

[dire hinge]

i believe they changed it so that it goes from a 100% proc rate to "100% if it hits two targets"

[olive nest]

Oh do you mean the might stacks before hitting demolish?

[dire hinge]

completely anecdotal, but i scaled that trinket to be equal to a max-level Champion piece and it was a downgrade over most things, so i wouldn't seek it out, but if you happen to get it, you can sim if it's an upgrade for you specifically

[civic topaz]

nah i feel like stacks are always natty 10 by the time demolish is back, i mean Colossus Smash, are we waiting to hit CS to align with Demolish or on CD

[olive nest]

You send CS on cooldown

But you can hold demolish for CS

[civic topaz]

got it

[nova marsh]

Is it okay to send bs and avatar with cs like 20 secs out?

[civic topaz]

how long is too long to hold

5s feels like the most id want to wait

[olive nest]

If you play mostly correct they should naturally align

[wind hatch]

ye

i wait 10 secs at most (most of the time)

[olive nest]

Nah last I saw this discussed I think you hold bs up to like 30 seconds to align it with cs lmao

[nova marsh]

So is general rule of thumb

[wind hatch]

oh wait i misread

[nova marsh]

Just never send anything without cs?

[olive nest]

Yes that is basically the idea

[nova marsh]

....this is gonna take some getting used to

[olive nest]

You get cs so often

It’s not bad

[wind hatch]

yeah cs is like a 30 sec cd

[olive nest]

And things align pretty nicely

[dire hinge]

basically yeah!

they line up (or close to) most of the time though

if you get super desynced, just burst hard the next time things come around

[nova marsh]

Ye dosent feel bad

[safe island]

i was here

[nova marsh]

Imma be honest

[safe island]

les go echo

[nova marsh]

I have to apologize for overblowing the cd desync

[wind hatch]

the only time I send something without cs is demolish if it's really desynced

that almost never happens tho

[umbral badger]

would that change the prio on execute in rotation btw ?

in ST

[nova marsh]

No

Im pretty sure reap dosent affect the st rotation at all

Least like prio wise

[outer lion]

arm

[kind stag]

le arm

[nova marsh]

[slow saddle]

If, we werent as proc based as now its ok

But having so many procs, also managin rage is horrid

• followin prio csn get u starved

Playing perfectly

[olive nest]

No doubt about it rage sucks right now

But it’s doable

[slow saddle]

Yeye i still love arms

[rose ibex]

Rage is a pretty dated mechanic as it is

[outer lion]

is there a way to make it more visible when an auto-attack goes off so you can charge cycle effectively

[slow saddle]

Tbh arms prob works better with energy

[slow saddle]

No

[outer lion]

fantastic

[calm hollow]

on a terrible pull, but i guess at least its dead

[olive nest]

150k is a 10..

[rose ibex]

Fury incorporates rage much better imo

[slow saddle]

Lets blame rl, coz not stacked properly

[calm hollow]

[slow saddle]

Hear me out

[rose ibex]

The way arms uses rage feels old

[slow saddle]

Op gives rage

We good

[nova marsh]

Because its using the same mechanics from vanillia

[rose ibex]

And heroic throw

[nova marsh]

Arms's rage is bery hold

[outer lion]

if only my character was gaining as much rage as i am

[slow saddle]

But they did fix it

[robust cypress]

Does the loa ring sim good for arms? or should my 2nd craft really be a cloak/wrist?

[slow saddle]

But removed the talents

[slow saddle]

Cloak wrist

[rose ibex]

Or... rend gives rage by default. Make us look forward to pressing that button

[slow saddle]

We had

[nova marsh]

Make hs free

[slow saddle]

Op rage sub 35%

Fixxd exe issues

Removed

[rose ibex]

I wouldnt mind a big dump button for rage like rampage but more "big smash" themed

[slow saddle]

We had reck on cs

[nova marsh]

Well first it was split onto two talents

Then removed

[slow saddle]

True

[rose ibex]

But we are attached to our execute phase

I dont really have rage issues until execute phase

[slow saddle]

Then u are lucly

[rose ibex]

Except maybe initial pull

When im at 0

But I just start with BS if thats the case

Clarms gets screwed tho

[nova marsh]

Colo needs help

[slow saddle]

Well

Let me fix colo

Reck is back on cs

Or avatar = more rage

[safe island]

i want to spam execute

[rose ibex]

Please just get rid of avatar

Its so boring

[slow saddle]

Would make avatar feel better

If it gave 50% more rage

[wind hatch]

or make it interesting

[nova marsh]

Ravager first

[wind hatch]

but yeah ravager needs to go

[nova marsh]

For the love of God delete that shit

[rose ibex]

Arms doesnt need "magical dwarf buff" nor should it need "magical spinning sword". Let the spec be all techniques

[umbral badger]

avatar is cool

just not ravager and avatar at the same time as buffers

[slow saddle]

Ravager is cool

[kind stag]

avatar is wc3

[umbral badger]

one buffer cd not both

pls

[rose ibex]

Nah I hate avatar

[kind stag]

so it must exist

[slow saddle]

Just make it juicy

[nova marsh]

It makes tae look like shit

[slow saddle]

And it must align with avatar

[rose ibex]

Its just not very warriory

[slow saddle]

It is

[wind hatch]

getting big and huge is not very warriory?

I think it is

[rose ibex]

Warriors dont use magic or anything like that. Why do I get bigger and turn black?

[latent moss]

is it arms warriory tho?

[kind stag]

its an ability from Mountain King hero

[slow saddle]

I spin weapon so hard it goes into circle

[latent moss]

like sure it makes sense for thane

avatar

but for arms?

[kind stag]

i think it should be on fury and mountain thane at minimum

[rose ibex]

Its more aligned with fury and thane imo

[slow saddle]

Arms should have recklessness

[kind stag]

nah

[rose ibex]

Avatar should be purely for mountain thane

[slow saddle]

The buff makes way more sense

[kind stag]

arms should be controlled dmg, like a knight with technique

[latent moss]

i mean

[kind stag]

recklessnes is barbaric, like fury

[slow saddle]

Dont 20% crit chance and rage increase

[latent moss]

cs on tactician and shattered defenses

[safe island]

i don’t really like ravager either, to be honest. it just doesn’t look cool…

[slow saddle]

Nah

[outer lion]

i like that my shirtless kul tiran miraculously inflates to deal more damage

[kind stag]

someone who goes in, is reckless, dies (like me)

[rose ibex]

Because if we're going to give warriors magical abilities id rather have mirror image

[latent moss]

is the most arms warriory u can get imo

gap in the armor type shi

[kind stag]

Wind Walk warrior

[rose ibex]

Mirror image + bladestorm would be sick

All three bladestorming

[slow saddle]

Its the ultimate fighter. That finally lets go, and goea full offense

[wind hatch]

cs back on tactician would be sick

[latent moss]

we aint getting it tho

so

gg

[wind hatch]

but i dont think they would ever be willing to do that anymore

ye

[latent moss]

idk why and never will

[slow saddle]

I mean id rather have exe garantuee op proc

[latent moss]

what do they have agaisnt cs on tactician

[slow saddle]

The change to tactician makes no sense

Flat %, when idea was more rage spend equals bigger chance of proc

Which mean exe tha king

[olive nest]

Cs tactition makes so much sense..
Sad really..

[safe island]

personally, i think ravager should be changed into this

[warm fog]

Wasn’t that the WW spell?

[lone yarrow]

WoW warriors are literally superhuman strength battlemages if we get into technicalities of categorizing them

[slow saddle]

Rav just passive on avatar

[latent moss]

i think ravager should be changed into cs mega fucks

the initial dmg

mega fucks

[slow saddle]

Nlno

[lone yarrow]

They use magic and mainly Order aligned magic and utilize it in martial arts

[slow saddle]

U givin wsrrior burst dmg??

Not allowed

[safe island]

instead of just throwing a weapon, it would be like a mirror image that follows the enemy and uses bladestorm

[umbral badger]

yea i don't even know how my char looks xd

[rose ibex]

Its true ever since wc3

[warm fog]

Warriors not allowed to burst because a dev got camped in Tarren Mill 20 years ago

[olive nest]

LOL

[umbral badger]

i have said it before, ravager without unhinged + sweeping feels like shit to me so i just want it removed now

[kind stag]

new skill idea we call our proto drake mount from legion to land on enemies and slam for big dam, like how DKs got their dragon hihihihi

[lone raft]

avatar is an og warcraft ability

[kind stag]

real

[rose ibex]

But I think they should focus more on cool attacks and techniques for Arms cooldowns.

All warriors should have superhuman strength

[lone raft]

not sure about wc2 but in wc3 muradin bronzebeard had it he was a dwarf

[olive nest]

Maybe it’s just me but I like my button presses to do damage

Ravager ain’t it

[latent moss]

lowk what annoys me

are warrior sets

like every warrior is half naked

in lore no

muscles are my armor type shi

[outer lion]

avatar changed to avatarm gives you an extra arm

[kind stag]

varian had full armor

[rose ibex]

Hellscream also had magical techniques with mirror image and wind walk

[latent moss]

ig it was only horde warriors

[lone raft]

thats true he was an asian orc

[rose ibex]

I still dont think it fits the class

[lone yarrow]

it's more of a horde/alliance difference

[kind stag]

blademaster reskin

[lone raft]

but they were also fucking with demon magic

[kind stag]

blademasters in wc3 were warrior monks

monks stole our skills

[rose ibex]

Pretty much

But thats fine

Just stick with the theme

[lone raft]

Yea ravager sucks

it should just be bladestorm

[kind stag]

ravager and rend are 2 skills i really dislike

[lone raft]

keep ravager for prot

[kind stag]

both feel bad to press

[lone raft]

and yea rend sucks

[rose ibex]

None of this 1 foot in the magical dwarf realm, the rest out

[kind stag]

no visual feedback no boom nothing

like a wet fart

[warm fog]

This is accurate, even the WW mastery is a better arms idea

[lone raft]

lul yes wet fart audio que

execute just needs to fuck harder

[rose ibex]

Bladestorm's other choice node should be more of a gigantic aoe slam

[lone raft]

warrior should be simple

[rose ibex]

So you either big spin or big smash

[warm fog]

Getting a buff for weaving our attacks would make too much sense

[kind stag]

new warrior skill we take the sword of sargeras and shove it up yknow

[safe island]

it’d be nice if arms had its own new buff cooldown instead of avatar. fury warrior has recklessness, after all

[lone raft]

get rid of rend let it apply on all overpower

and all attacks

crits apply deepwounds

ez fix ez prune

one ability gone

[kind stag]

rend and ravager removed from arms would make it play way better

[safe island]

is blizzard somehow obsessed with rend or something?

[kind stag]

make for colo so no bladestorm but you get idk like some crazy new aoe dmg skill or something

[warm fog]

I really thought we were gonna be hard pruned for midnight, overpower execute then MS for st and cleave for aoe, bladestorm for slayer and demolish for colossus, then CS as our rotation anchor

[kind stag]

the worst bleed in the game is warriors identity

i guess thats what they think

[lone raft]

I mean its not that many more abilities

but yea annoying

rend is foe for sure though

[lone yarrow]

imagine execute becomes a true execute and we get some complex shit in a rotation that if we do stuff correctly then a target falling <5%/15% in pvp is instantly and our whole execute rotation revolves around this

[rose ibex]

Sweeping strikes is lame

[lone raft]

not simple tho

[warm fog]

A big cooldown in avatar or bladestorm, then a short one in CS

[stable fiber]

sweep is like

[lone raft]

since I made the audio remind for SS I never forget it now

[lone yarrow]

sweeping strikes is cool idk

[wintry pagoda]

You are too stupid to play warrior properly

[stable fiber]

my favorite cd

[lone raft]

I don't mind ss

it's cool makes sense

[kind stag]

sweeping shouldnt be a gcd

[warm fog]

Sweeping strikes is fine it just needs work

[lone raft]

yea that's fair

[warm fog]

The auto cast on CS is a great start

[rose ibex]

I think its old and dated and its also one of those "reasons we can't have nice things" why devs are skittish about buffing our single target

[lone raft]

I think u just get rid of rend, and maybe make demo a little quicker

like a 1/2 punch idk

[warm fog]

It could be more of a burst spell, like 5 hits or something

[lone raft]

a lot of times I get hit with a mechanic and cannot demo properly in boss fights

right after CS

[rose ibex]

Would be happier if rend was just our mastery

[stable fiber]

sudden death proc rate increases >>>

[lone yarrow]

I mean if devs put more than a minute of thinking you can always come out with some talent like +25% additional dmg on 2nd sweeping strikes target -25% dmg on main target or shit

[rose ibex]

Rend was our mastery and we had more gameplay to utilize it

Or just drop the whole bleed thing entirely

Our capstones are boring as well

[lone raft]

are there breakdowns of how many ppl play each class

[safe island]

make every ability a rend-style dot and then delete arms at the end

[rose ibex]

I never thought id miss skullsplitter

[kind stag]

bleeds should be talents like deep wounds but arms should be about big slow hits and not bleeds

we got feral and assa for that

[warm fog]

You can look at Warcraft logs

[lone raft]

right is max level

[lone yarrow]

every ability attempts to strangle an enemy with our arms on 100 ability casts we successfully strangle our enemy and apply rend then get stunned of exhaustion

[rose ibex]

Im more in line with how we should commit to an actual playstyle that uses bleeds or don't bother at all. At the very least rend should offer some utility with talent selection. More than it currently does

Because "more crit on rend under 35% hp" is not fun or itneresting

[olive nest]

Can they make rend generate more rage in execute or something

[rose ibex]

Arms as a spec is super fun. I love it, but the talent tree has a lot of boring nodes

Nodes that feel like they are just 'there' to serve as a means to get others or even just as filler because there's nothing else really there

Arms isnt the only spec like this. I get there is usually always some filler

But our capstones should at least be exciting

[safe island]

let’s make rend into arms’ new buff cooldown

[rose ibex]

Like geez. Spriest capstones are all very cool

[stable fiber]

lol...

[rose ibex]

I love minions ngl

[stable fiber]

spriests hate the idols

like hate hate the idols

[rose ibex]

Really? Unfortunate

I think they are really cool

[stable fiber]

to be fair

arms capstones are way wrose

[lone raft]

noob question here

[kind stag]

ive practiced some arms today and i do so shit on some situations compared to fury

[lone raft]

im a little confused , in execute phase we are ONLY using execute if we have a SD proc?

[rose ibex]

Maybe they are unimpactful but they are at least cool. It is kinda lame that they are basically passive and dont change gameplay much at all

[stable fiber]

exactly

[kind stag]

yeah arms is crazy in some situations but fury can adapt so fast and is not even remotely as punishing to mess up some stuff