arms

[latent moss]

but stuff like ams just isnt real bro

[smoky kayak]

Colo picks up like 5% single target, does practically the same multitarget, and doesn't have to worry about cringe Cleave on Single Target anymore

[latent moss]

ye i mean im just preparinf for. 5

if arms is very good im playing it

[smoky kayak]

basically what you lose from Cleave no longer triggering Deep Wounds, you gain from more frequent Demolish triggering Deep Wounds
and you get Slam-Deep Wounds prio damage on top

[stable fiber]

Insane how colo has gotten like 6 straight buffs and still is the worst st dps in the game

[brittle rock]

i think with 2 cleaves instead of 3 it will do less aoe

[smoky kayak]

it's not as big a change as you'd think

[brittle rock]

you dont always can push another colossus

[rare kite]

the demo buff makes up for it

[smoky kayak]

I'm serious, Colo AoE sims within 1% on PTR

and its ST goes up like 5-6%

[pulsar frost]

I believe in your sir

[smoky kayak]

if they manage to get rid of Ravager, Colossus will be practically perfect IMO

[pulsar frost]

Does the ST still feel bad to play tho

[brittle rock]

i love ravager

[pulsar frost]

Cause col just feels awful in ST compared to slayer

[smoky kayak]

na, the changes cut out most of the complication

[brittle rock]

animation is cool

[stable fiber]

Will more cdr on demo it's probably ok

[rare kite]

ravager is literally just a cleave modifier. shit does nothing on its own

[pulsar frost]

Demo just doesnt feel good in ST

[stable fiber]

Idc about ravager

[rare kite]

garbage ass cd

[stable fiber]

I have no issues with that button

[smoky kayak]

no more Cleave in ST, no more Ravager in ST, more Demo casts

• if you're in a M+ build, you just go straight Slam and only Execute w/ SD
• if you're in a pure ST build, you Execute as normal

[pulsar frost]

Maybe its a skill issue. But getting stacks on MS is bit rough in ST

[stable fiber]

Need more crit

Algethar is fun

[pulsar frost]

I'll work on more crit farming tomorrow. Making due with what I havw

[stable fiber]

I have 50% crit chance when my voracius trinket procs

Xdd

[pulsar frost]

Idk i just got hooked on slayer

Im at like 31% crit. Not sure how much more I can get. Need hero neck I think i have void. Can't get crit on weapon

[latent moss]

🙏

everyday praying

[pulsar frost]

What would it be otherwise then. Not like we're gonna take BS

[smoky kayak]

literally anything

[low elk]

the prot ravager procs would be nice instead

[smoky kayak]

that would fix the main problem, but still isn't a particularly great talent

the issue with Ravager is it doesn't do shit on its own - it only exists to buff Cleave

• if you're not actively using Cleave, it isn't even worth spending a GCD to put down Ravager, it's that impotent

[pulsar frost]

Cleaving in ST is kinda lame

[smoky kayak]

well see, that's no longer a thing in 12.0.5 anyway (even during Ravager), so Ravager has even less a reason to exist anymore

[low elk]

arch i have a question

do you think sweeping strikes having essentially a 100% uptime makes Arms much harder to balance?

[pulsar frost]

Are we still not taking ravager tho

[low elk]

and our ST suffers because of that

[smoky kayak]

so yeah, automated Ravager procs would fix the issue of the extra keybind and "step" in the rotation
but it wouldn't fix the problem of those Ravager procs just sometimes being completely useless

[pulsar frost]

Can't imagine not using it still in ST

[smoky kayak]

you take it in multitarget, but just because you have a multitarget build doesn't mean you're always doing multitarget

key bosses exist, raid cleave exists (maybe not this tier lol)

[pulsar frost]

Ic

[smoky kayak]

so again, even if you got rando Ravager procs, they'd only be useful if they happen while you're cleaving multiple enemies; if they start proccing on bosses... they aren't gonna amount for shit

so it's still a flawed talent

and that's one of the reasons Colossus single target damage sucks so bad - you're spending a bunch of talent points on things that only have value in AoE

So replace Ravager with anything, but ideally something that has value in both single target and multitarget would help Colossus across the board

[pulsar frost]

That's one thing I enjoyed about fury. All really changes is improved whirlwind

The damage is good and consistent for what it is. St could always be better but not as bad as arms

[low elk]

There is a Muradin talent in Heroes of the Storm which makes Thunder Clap do sometihng like 3x more damage IF it only hits 1 target. That made also for interesting gameplay trying to position yourself to make it only hit 1 target.

When TWW started I kept imagining it making sense for Thane but probably not for Ravager that moves on its own

[smoky kayak]

could be an interesting inverse to Meat Cleaver, but not really what I'm lookin for w/ Colossus

honestly I'd just replace Ravager with something passive; the gameplay is already good, it doesn't really need any extra complication

[low elk]

yeah i like the current arms gameplay too

[storm canopy]

How much crit do I need as arms? Im sitting at 30%, and sims tell me to get more

[halcyon valve]

Then get more

[radiant dawn]

that seems almost kind of unreal, but i guess that tracks

you pick up demolish really fast atm anyways

and deep wounds isn't that awful of a change with that in mind

i just kind of find it insane that we've got a talent that just makes you press cleave four times in a row, granted, getting a cleave knocked off that eventually

[steep osprey]

Cleave still does insane damage but at least it's a step in the right direction

[zenith warren]

rend is so bad in st that is like 9th prio, correct? (slayer)

[steep osprey]

Yeah it's somewhere there

[boreal pagoda]

How is arms rn?

Fury a bit brain dead this season

[rare kite]

pretty good

[boreal pagoda]

So the buffs actually fixed it a bit?

[rare kite]

yea

[boreal pagoda]

That’s good, is slayer and colo close or is one better than the other

[rare kite]

they're close

[steep osprey]

This is probably the best arms has been balanced in years

[boreal pagoda]

I just heard from some friends that it was the worst dps class in m+

And saw it got buffs but I haven’t played the game in so long idk what state warr is in

[steep osprey]

That's just entirely false lol

Arms is one of the best M+ specs right now

Even before some of these buffs it was insane

[boreal pagoda]

Cleave pumping on packs I guess

[steep osprey]

Yeah

[boreal pagoda]

And lots of cleave on bosses this season too

Anything would be better than the brain dead rhythm game fury has become

I’ll give it a try, how’s the single target?

[silver mica]

If I have fury stats how bad is that to swap to arms?

[soft dew]

Mastery isn't that bad, be Arms likes crit a lot more

[silver mica]

Legit took a myth weapon from vault this week that’s has/mas …

[soft dew]

I mean jewelry slots are the most important

I raid MM so I play fury because it's better than Arms for most bosses, but if you can like get a good neck then enchants and gems, that would help

You can certainly play it and see if you actually like it

[knotty dragon]

what are we going as arms? slayer or colu?

[soft dew]

Slayer works well and is easier to play

Colo has a lot of min maxing stuff if you like that and has better AoE but less ST

[viral garden]

Can we play arms with mastery haste ? Or the loss is Big ?

[soft dew]

What level are you playing at?

You can at least try and see if it works for you

[viral garden]

For the moment 12 so I know we can play what we want until we know how to push 3 buttons

But I'll probably play 17-19 with some friends far later in the season

[soft dew]

If you can get alternative rings/neck with more crit and other echants/gems, that should be enough

Critcake plays both Fury and Arms

He got like 500 mastery and crit and 1000 haste

And he makes it work in keys

[lethal acorn]

Imagine: While Ravager is up, your auto attack damage is doubled and always crits: Ravager is now fixed for ST!

[slow saddle]

also more rage ?

[lethal acorn]

I miss Shadowlands Ravager

[slow saddle]

Also

hear me out

[lethal acorn]

Where it was a great ST tool

[slow saddle]

ravager AFFIX but just on avatar

remove rav

[lethal acorn]

I don't mind active ravager, just make it give you damage amps while it's up, not just aoe amps

[balmy sundial]

hey guys, i was just wondering, how much do you sim Patchwerk using Slayer ST talents?

[indigo ivy]

Ravager still feels bad to press regardless

[rare kite]

idk like 85k

[untold pewter]

Somewhere around 85k at 273 ilvl

[slow saddle]

i mean it is SUPER sad

lets not lie ;D

i think my dk simmed 94k at 263

[rare kite]

it's okay this is my st

[slow saddle]

Revvez benched is so sad

[mighty bridge]

in ST slayer am i pressing heroic strike before anything else?

[torn rivet]

wtf

[thick kelp]

yeah

[torn rivet]

no way revvez got benched

what for? being warrior? xd

[thick kelp]

yeah

[thick kelp]

yeah

[torn rivet]

my god

[rare kite]

this is just a "no melee" tier. dk is only brought coz of grips

[slow saddle]

ofc?

like thats how it works

[rare kite]

ret is brought coz of aura

[slow saddle]

well DK + ret

[mighty bridge]

@thick kelp same in execute? thanks

[slow saddle]

is also NOT melee

not RLY

[thick kelp]

yep

[slow saddle]

its actually the Biggest FUCK melee tier ive seen

from BOTH tuning

[torn rivet]

yup

[slow saddle]

and mechanics

[torn rivet]

unholy is op because its reworked

soon it will be dog

[slow saddle]

nah UH good coz it can hit from range 😄

[rare kite]

it's not op in raid tho

[thick kelp]

idk if lura or crown is worse for melee

or even bel

[slow saddle]

i say again IF fury had been tuned to have the SAME ST as UHDK
it would be in

fr

[rare kite]

i think crown is worse than bel. not seen any lura gameplay as i want to try it blind

[slow saddle]

Btw this is the highest itemlvl

theyve ever been r?

[stuck yacht]

colossus or slayer for hight m+?

[scenic cedar]

wowhead say: colos best. but murlocs.io say 50 warriors 39 slayer and 11 col

[slow saddle]

Well

Collosus is insane in aoe

[calm shore]

I've just leveled my warrior up and wanted to try arms this time not fury. Noticed in the latch crushing combo is going down to 2 uses not 3, how badly is that gunna harm the DPS output?

[slow saddle]

not rly

i mean it just makes it less degen

we have bigger issues than combo 😛

[calm shore]

Such as? If its too long of an answer no worries haha

[slow saddle]

i mean Rage is frustrating

[mortal crag]

Hot take slayer arms is easier than thane fury

[slow saddle]

The ST of Collosus currently is pretty bad

nothing is easier than thane fury

[mortal crag]

Slayer arms is

[calm shore]

Thane fury easier than last seasons slayer?

[mortal crag]

Current thane fury vs last season I didn't play slayer arms

But current thane fury is harder than current slayer arms

That being said I'm dogshit on slayer arms purely because I've never touched it so I'm not used to pressing abilities

But it's easy

That's my hot take

[slow saddle]

How is the thane harder?

[mortal crag]

How is slayer arms harder?

Opa

[rare kite]

basically not at all. the demolish buff makes up for it

[rare kite]

i feel like that is a very cold take for midnight. thane has so many buttons you want to press but you can't press them all

[mortal crag]

I know but arms players would seethe if they discovered thane is harder than slayer

I had to present it as controversial

[rare kite]

[mortal crag]

Slayer arms has LITERALLY 3 rotational buttons and they're all mostly available on cd and if not you just kinda wait

And cds don't matter as long as wb is up

[boreal pagoda]

Thane fury = keep everything on CD

LITERALLY HOW I DONT HAVE 4 ARMS

[mortal crag]

Sure, but it's still harder because if you press the wrong thing on cd you lose damage

You're in reck with tb proc, bb available, and you're about to cap rate

Rage

What's your best option?

Like say you're at 100 rage

[boreal pagoda]

reck = dump rage

[mortal crag]

Wrong

[boreal pagoda]

There’s no other option

[lethal acorn]

I like it thematically though, feels like you have your own Remornia from nathria

[mortal crag]

You still rampage at 110-115

[boreal pagoda]

Idk fury doesn’t have biggus bonkus

[mortal crag]

Huh

[boreal pagoda]

So we play arms now

[mortal crag]

Slayer arms vs thane fury

I just said thane is harder :3

[boreal pagoda]

Thane is only fun because thunderclap is cool

[lethal acorn]

Colossus is the coolest hero and Fury doesn't have access to it

[mortal crag]

If only colossus didn't do tank dps in st

Ah rip

[median crag]

bladestorm->demolish

[mortal crag]

I hate colossus though

Blafestoem does fuck

[lethal acorn]

It didn't in Undermine tier

[mortal crag]

And I played it there

And hated every moment

[boreal pagoda]

Colo fury = replace rampage with demolish

Would be sick

[lethal acorn]

I loved it

[mortal crag]

Thane should be arms tbh

Clap is for arms

Give Colo fury

Opa

[boreal pagoda]

Actually based take

[slow saddle]

ofc

[lethal acorn]

Clap on Arms is gross

[slow saddle]

we all know

[boreal pagoda]

Give me thunderclap

[lethal acorn]

I'm not a shaman

[slow saddle]

i wanted lightning empowered mortal strike

[mortal crag]

Imagine pressing rend

Holy chopped

[lethal acorn]

Rend Aoe lets you use your sword

[lethal acorn]

Imagine wanting to be a shaman

[boreal pagoda]

What’s wrong with rending with feet by stomping so hard you create lightning

[lethal acorn]

Thunder Clap animation only looks good with sword and board

You can pretend your shield is hitting the ground

[slow saddle]

nah FLails

also works

[lethal acorn]

Arms are supposed to be masters of weapons

My weapons should cause the bleeds...not...lightning?

[sharp goblet]

thane should be removed

[boreal pagoda]

Idk, if you’ve been in a fight you’d know feet can be weapon

[sharp goblet]

shaman ass hero spec

[lethal acorn]

Go play Monk

[boreal pagoda]

BAHAHAHAHAHA

pressed because feet can be weapon

LMAO

[lethal acorn]

I have aoe rend now

I'll never be pressed

[boreal pagoda]

How do you AoE rend out of curiosity

[lethal acorn]

In midnight? You just press rend

[rare kite]

by default

[boreal pagoda]

Oh what

No way

[lethal acorn]

No more lame ass thunder clap

Which made no sense on two of the three warrior hero talents

[boreal pagoda]

You mean, foot rend?

[lethal acorn]

This guy mains Monk

[boreal pagoda]

And warrior

But monk is only fun on BM

has anyone every thought about how BM Monk actually works? You ignore damage by getting wasted

[sharp goblet]

as a fellow monk enjoyer, arms kind of feels like windwalker a bit

[boreal pagoda]

Colo I’d agree

Slayer, no

[sharp goblet]

pacing wise, with downtimes, ms feeling just like rsk

yea colo

slayer is diff

[lethal acorn]

Slayer's downtime is when you're reaping or bladestorming

It actually has more downtime than Clarms

[sharp goblet]

well u still get rage starved in ST

a lot

[boreal pagoda]

Yeah being rage starved kinda sucks

[sharp goblet]

kind of wild to me how skyfury is pretty much better than an aug

[boreal pagoda]

Meanwhile fury doesn’t know what to do with all that rage

[lethal acorn]

I don't mind being rage starved, that's how it was in Shadowlands

I just wish we had the auto attack swing timer

[sharp goblet]

yeah, i like some downtime as well, hence my windwalker enjoyment

fury makes my fingers hurt

[boreal pagoda]

I just roll my face on keyboard for fury

Same output tbh

[sharp goblet]

nah, if u press buttons harder u do more dmg on fury

hidden modifier

[boreal pagoda]

LMAO

[rigid shuttle]

if you dont have any colossus might stacks on start of the fight on a ST boss, do we still wait for it to stack to 10 before use demolish?

stacking takes so long

[sharp goblet]

u should have stacks always, but if you don’t you just send it in cs window like you do at the start of a dungeon

[rigid shuttle]

ok, there are times when it drops like long RP before bosses

[candid pecan]

rdy for 12.0.5

[storm canopy]

Why not now?

[candid pecan]

I am rdy now too

[marble marsh]

Hey y'all
So for M+ I know Slayer Overall or Colo if AoE needed. Though how come Slayer has risen in all of a sudden?

[thick kelp]

Slayer perfroms better in pure ST boss fight

which some keys end up having

by trading some of its aoe

so people prefer it some certain keys where you have a bunch of ST ex. Academy, skyreach

[marble marsh]

ah, so it's rather a thing of which dungeon it is, not really the comp you'r playing 🗒️

[marble marsh]

got it, thanks!
Is there a list of in which dungeon what is prefered by any chance?

[thick kelp]

not really outside of the two I listed

[marble marsh]

okies, thanks ❤️

[thick kelp]

even in those its personal pref

[marble marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/big-mcthankies-from-mcspankies-mcthankies-thankies-mcspankies-jimmy-neutron-gif-20611629

[sharp goblet]

I skimmed quickly what I thought would be a colo dungeon (Seat) and it's about 50-50, and they do fairly similarly overall

[sharp wyvern]

is there any way to track the sweeping strikes stacks ?

im overcapping all the time with CS

[mortal crag]

Couldn't be me, thunderclap existed since like wc2 or wc3

[mortal crag]

Original tclap had no lightning btw

[sharp goblet]

but your 2h weapon auttoattacks rain down lightning on people

that's whack

they kind of made 2 hero specs from one concept (Mountain King -> Colo and Thane), so Thane got stuck with the lightning theme, which was never really the identity (even tc never felt lighning-first, it was just a ground shockwave)

[thick kelp]

Thane woulda been more thematic for Arms

#changemymind

[sharp goblet]

i feel like the third spec should have been some heavy armor focused theme

Juggernaut or someshit

make charge hurt

[thick kelp]

Blademaster..

Which we couldnt get cuz it would mean we would be stealing mages mirror images

[sharp goblet]

Yeah, honestly (my bad) I completely forgot about Samuro. But slayer covers part of that fantasy, the spins and fervor of battle, crits and bladestorm, it's just missing the mirror images

[ionic mica]

and wind walk

[sharp goblet]

now if they gave us stealth on the other hand...

but yeah, I was thinking about a Thane replacement (so it would need to fit Fury and Prot), Blademaster would actually be rly cool for arms, give me a banner to carry

[quiet bramble]

do we even use ww lol?

[thick kelp]

yeah if you got 3 stacks of collat

in a fight where u didnt talent cleave

[quiet bramble]

damn chimarrus doesnt even use collateral

[broken minnow]

Is there some macro there is good to use?

[thick kelp]

no

[lethal acorn]

Looks fine with a sword and shield, looks bad with a two hander

Stomping with a shield makes a lot more sense

[halcyon valve]

With FoB and a heroic strike proc when there are 3+ targets

[untold pewter]

The icon version on cooldown manager does it

[sharp wyvern]

are you sure

[untold pewter]

I mean that is what I use

Lemme get a screenshot

[remote talon]

the buff tracking version, not the CD tracking version

[sharp wyvern]

there is no sweeping strikes in the buff tab

[thick kelp]

Create a new profile

and there will be

is a bug

[remote talon]

there is because I only use buff/debuff tracking

[lethal acorn]

9 stacks in this screenshot

[untold pewter]

Yeah it's there

[sharp wyvern]

new profile worked

[untold pewter]

Could be the bug walhe mentioned

Y

[lethal acorn]

I had to make a new profile to track slam

(heroic strike)

[broken minnow]

Are we using heroic strike in aoe as Slayer arms?

[thick kelp]

Cleave uses it for you with fob

[untold pewter]

Fob does it

If you hit 3 targets

[broken minnow]

So Only single target we Press it

[untold pewter]

Yeah ST same as usual

[lethal acorn]

and two target

[thick kelp]

Any situation where fob wouldnt proc it

[broken minnow]

Just Saw a macro there put that and overpower together so overpower was transformed to HS then it prog

[olive nest]

[untold pewter]

We don't really need any macros for heroic strike

[broken minnow]

Nahh okay

[lethal acorn]

heroic strike macros mess up my rotation

[olive nest]

think that was in madox's video

it works nicely for raid

i wouldnt use it in M+

[broken minnow]

Thanks

12.0.5 is the chance a win or loose for us?

[untold pewter]

Arms is already fine after all the recent buffs

[lethal acorn]

Win if you play Colossus

[untold pewter]

We'll be still fine after .5

[fierce wharf]

waiting for a tank is about to make me go prot ffs. Why does it seem so much worse this season?

[thick kelp]

Because tanks are like paper

outside of brew

[untold pewter]

Just do it man
Learn all specs
Become the true warrior

Prot is actually quite fun

[fierce wharf]

yea fair actually. They need to figure something out, because man it's rough.

Nah, I've tanked on prot before, end up tanking every season

I just wanna waive big silly stick around and zug

[broken minnow]

What hero talent is best for arms atm? And what is the differens 🙂

[fierce wharf]

depends, my uderstanding is slayer end up having more ST baked in, whereas collosus is more AE damage, but that's getting "fixed" in .5, if you look at logs for keys/raid it's pretty split

[latent moss]

pwar is tanky as fuck too no

[sharp goblet]

I feel like the AoE gap just gets bigger and ST gap gets smaller? Slayer loses ST (no RtS) and a little bit of AoE (since MS no longer procs RtS), and colo gains a bit of both ST and AoE from more demolishes

ah but I forgot 20% bladestorm buff ok nvm

[calm hollow]

are these ok stats for paladins? didnt play arms this tier, full fury gear

[slow saddle]

i mean i reckon it could deffo use anothe 10-15k in pure st

to compete just with most other melees no ?

[tame hill]

Boys quick question for Paladins as Arms. Do we spend our proccs priotized for HS rather than Cleave in that fight?

[slow saddle]

would have to be done in a way that affects Multi target as litle as possible

[slow saddle]

?

[nova marsh]

Yeah you'll be fine probably

[slow saddle]

cleave sends hs wdym?

[lethal acorn]

Too much mastery, not enough crit

[slow saddle]

how do have hat much crit in fury gear ?D:DD

[tame hill]

Both being cast automatically?

Arms noob sorry

[calm hollow]

this helps

[slow saddle]

if theres 3 targets <--- cleave sends a slam

but if said slam is a HS it sends hs

[tame hill]

So cleave is highest prio in that fight yea?

[slow saddle]

ah well

IF theres 3 targets stacked

at times where they are only 2 revert to ST rotation

that is the way

[calm hollow]

cant really help it, maybe i can replace enchants and recraft weapon, but thats about it

[slow saddle]

m8 he is joking

thats fine stats

mastery is not bad for aoe

[calm hollow]

cool

[brittle fiber]

@flat willow the state

[slow saddle]

also azrakan i PRESUME u are talking about paladins ?

or slayer arms ?

[calm hollow]

paladins mythic

[fierce wharf]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JC8QTAhxXjGrz3Fa?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3

I'm pretty sure one of my bigger opportunities is rend (holy shit i hate that button) but would anyone mind cracking this +4 MgT open to see if I'm just being a big idiot anywhere else?

[slow saddle]

its a 4

[fierce wharf]

just trying to get ahead of any glaring mechanical issues lol

[slow saddle]

very little to learn then ^_^ shit does so extremely fast

[fierce wharf]

less so the key itself, still gearing

[slow saddle]

well do u do what Wowhead reccomends ?

Send rav only when u have CS up ?

into big cleaves?

[fierce wharf]

to my knowledge yes, but was just seeing, especially since the wowhead slayer section

has some gaps concerning slayer AE, since it pushes you toward col for M+

[slow saddle]

its same prio list

only knowledge important is

u CS - and spend all cleaves

Then bladestorm

[sharp goblet]

i was looking at random things on that log and wtf is this hahahha (was looking at cs windows and saw slam had an avg hit of 711k 👀 )

[slow saddle]

What i will say is

u did waste a lot of crests

sending 272 weapon

that was dumb

[untold pewter]

For sure

I'm not happy where we're at but

It's playable

[fierce wharf]

understood, but again, even the opener section is dedicated to col, not slayer lol. I appreciate the words, but even the opener only shows col lol

[slow saddle]

go to slayer parts?

[latent moss]

charge rend ava wb cleave cleave cleave cleave bs

[fierce wharf]

I did

and the opener is still col LOL

[slow saddle]

so

u mean

[sharp goblet]

ohhh I think it's confused - it's counting only slam casts but attributing all slam hits from cleave, wow

[slow saddle]

obviously u struggle

just add in bladestorm

[fierce wharf]

look man

[rare kite]

my guy where is your adblocker

[slow saddle]

gone 😄

mby i wanna buy something

[fierce wharf]

I'm just looking for assistance to get ahead of stuff, but there's nothing that intuitively says "swap demo for BS" which is why I'm asking. It was a simple question, I didn't expect to get roasted over how wowhead is set up.

[latent moss]

idk

@smoky kayak

i assume this is a bug

[drifting sparrow]

Is heroic strike = slam in multitarget colussus rotation?

[latent moss]

no

due to fob

cleave consumes heroic strike

fervor of battle

[drifting sparrow]

oooohhh

Thank you

[latent moss]

u never press heroic strike in aoe

u are losing a lot of dmg if u do

fob increases slam damage by 50%

including hs

[drifting sparrow]

Thank you that helps a lot actually

[latent moss]

np

[full obsidian]

So

Yall running colossus or slayer in m+

[olive nest]

Can play both

[lime owl]

slayer cuz i'm forced for the ST 🙁

[olive nest]

ive been playing slayer the last couple keys

[full obsidian]

Hmm

Ima try it see how it goes

[drifting sparrow]

Colossus has been FUN to play in keys IDK

[latent moss]

ye im currently playing slayer mostly but man i miss colo so much

colo is predictable idk

we lack st so i have to play slayer gg

[nova marsh]

I'll be a tank in st

[smoky kayak]

The intent of the openers section is to cover the most common examples, to give players an idea of what openers will generally look like, not to give a step-by-step on every potential rotation or else it’d get really thicc really fast

[fierce wharf]

from an outside looking in scenario, would it maybe make sense to throw in "subsitute x for y" because that ended up throwing me for a bit of a loop, it's just not intuitive. Maybe not on you, but brain dumb.

[smoky kayak]

So no, there’s no single target colossus opener or multitarget slayer opener, but players should be able to look at one and extrapolate how the other will go. Unlike some classes, there’s no real special tech to our openers either - it’s just following the priority list

[smoky kayak]

I think putting bladestorm in a colossus labeled section would be more confusing, but I’ll think about how to better disclaim it in a future update

[fierce wharf]

when i say intuitive let me clarify - the demo opener makes sense, but little goblin brain see beyblade and think it's takes precedence from an opener stand point. I'm also genuinely stupid so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.

and that thought track is counterintuitve from the prio section, but I see plenty of opener suggestions for other classes sort of breaking prio for an opener to your point with "tech" but even just knowing arms isn't exactly that is helpful, so thank youuuu

[latent moss]

ye makes sense

[pulsar frost]

is nexus set that good or is it bait? champ void with my hero light out sims wedding ring with hero void

[timid elk]

How much rage does rend give us with the talent? Like how often is it proccing

[slow saddle]

Not enuff for st

[steep citrus]

for example mine gave me 280 rage on mythic dragons but my uptime was atrocious

[timid elk]

I ran a few m+ without it and it felt pretty okay? I'm sure it's probably not correct to skip it but feelscraft wasn't bad

[steep citrus]

183 on mythic vorasius

[slow saddle]

On slayer we skip

[steep citrus]

no point in not opening with it tho on big pulls since it lasts almost the entirety of the pack no?

[timid elk]

That would explain that then 😅 I was playing slayer

[slow saddle]

Y

[timid elk]

Yeah true, I just wanted to try some other talents out instead

[steep citrus]

love me some feelycrafting

[slow saddle]

Rend 2 let tank gather aggro b4 i blast

[short spear]

so is the slayer changes for arms just a straight nerf?

[nova marsh]

For rn yes

But i wouldn't expect it to stay that way

[tawdry bear]

Speaking of priority lists.
When doing arms rotation for AoE, for the sake of getting colossal stacks, isnt it good to go colossal smash>mortal strike>cleave spam.
And to just weave mortal strike between the swings? With the 4 set bonus I figured it would be beneficial to put mortal strike above cleave on the priority list.

[nova marsh]

Cleave just does more aoe so = more damagae

And remeber, stacks arent as valuable as they were in tww

[manic pasture]

I have skyreach and puzzle box trinkets are those good for m+, I feel like no raid trinkets and puzzle box feels bad for 14+ key.

[tawdry bear]

But in the opener if you go mortal strike before and after cleave spam you have more demolish damage at the end of jt.

And just in general cooldown reduction of demolish. It feels bad to leave mortal strike off cooldown.

[cobalt lodge]

just got puzzle box champion track. i have lfr gaze and heart of the ancient hunger trinkets (bis according to wow). should i replace one for higher ilvl puzzle box?

[nova marsh]

It might depend on target count, but in full aoe (i.e 5+ targets) theres no way you dont send cleave asap

[echo geode]

hello, why does heroic strike in aoe get ignored in the rotation?

does it not cleave with sweepings trikes?

[thick kelp]

Fervor of battle uses it

[nova marsh]

Triggered with fervor

[cobalt lodge]

cleave auto uses heroic strike if there's 3+ targets

[tawdry bear]

Cleave casts heroic strike.

[echo geode]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[stable fiber]

Yo does cleave cast heroic strike

[echo geode]

okay that helps a lot tyvm!

[nova marsh]

No comrade

Heroic strike casts cleave

[stable fiber]

Thanksd

[latent moss]

demolish casts 193 heroic strikes

very powerful

[stable fiber]

57 heroic strikes

[echo geode]

does aoe start at 3 target then? and we follow single target rotation for 2t?

[stable fiber]

Pretty much

Sweep uptime very important in 2t

Need to learn alternating between cs and the actual sweep button

[echo geode]

is cleave higher prio in 2t too? over mortal/overpower/sudden death execute? colossus

[latent moss]

no

[stable fiber]

Nah

[latent moss]

you play st rota and send cleave at 3 collat stacks if ms on cd

[echo geode]

got it so just follow st for aoe thn basically, thanks that helps!

[stable fiber]

Cleave power deadass triples when you go from 2t to 3t

[placid python]

Hey folks what is the wait time typically like for M+ if you list your own key as arms. I haven't done a mythic yet as DPS

[latent moss]

funny how we are a 3t spec now

[echo geode]

i see cool

[stable fiber]

Tbf we are still good at 2t

[nova marsh]

Depends on what the key is

[latent moss]

colo dps more than doubles on 2t ye

but base st low

[nova marsh]

Lower keys are already kinda dead

And if you get a 9 its a waste of time to even try

[latent moss]

ye most alts go into 10s immediately

cause they are doable at fuck ass ilvl

[nova marsh]

10s and above usually are filled in like 20-30 minutes worst case

[placid python]

Ok gotcha. Should I just skip my +2? Ilevel 240

[nova marsh]

Personally I wouldnt

Leveling up your own key is more valuable

[latent moss]

ngl youre in a bad spot

very behind the curve

[placid python]

It's an alt

[nova marsh]

Its a bad spot ye but its not hard to fix with some luck and patience

[latent moss]

idk u can do ur 2 i get someone to give me a 10

then i come next week with a 10 and do that

also myth in vault

[nova marsh]

Do you have friends

[latent moss]

ye

i did like 4 10s as the "only" dps

boring ahh content

[nova marsh]

Judging by the question I assume they do not

[latent moss]

but my dk gonna get full vault every week so

cant complain

[vast helm]

Opportunity Strikes now causes your extra attacks to generate 5 Rage
bring this back

[latent moss]

true

make it more often in execute

as well

[stable fiber]

I played a build in the mop preparch for classic

95% mastery with gurthalak and I spammed hamstring

Build was stupidly high apm and all your damage was opportunity strike and gurthalak

[latent moss]

xddd

[stable fiber]

It actually was good dps too

Got top 10 during prepatch on a couple bosses

They could have brought back opp strikes mastery back for rage gain lowkey

[latent moss]

they could have brought back a lot of stuff as mastery

instead they gave us vers 2

[nova marsh]

Blizz seems to not want to raise mastery to be better

Cuz "oh crit haste spex"

[vast helm]

Opportunity Strikes just add this to our mastery

[nova marsh]

Also im playing arms with 8% atm due to leveling and holy shit please kill me

[vast helm]

and rage gen will be better

[nova marsh]

Opp strikes should just be all the time tbh

Like if theyre not gonna add back other sources

[vast helm]

True.

[nova marsh]

Or we could buff seasoned too

[candid pecan]

Deep wounds in a +14 Magisters (I have 39% crit)

[fervent cedar]

+14 skyreach

[exotic horizon]

Hello Guys i want to play arms and i am watching guide but some are slayer and some are clouses

can some one tell me the strength of each spec

[candid pecan]

clouses = more AOE
slayer = more ST

[fathom hollow]

does cooldown manager or sensei resource bar have a swing timer?

[stable fiber]

No swing timers

Makes charge weaving not fun

Only spec that I know of that has a swing timer is ret because their resources are also dependent on melee swings

Shame arms doesn't get it

[nova marsh]

I miss my swing timer sometimes

But ig I've just gotten used to charge weaving

[hushed pine]

Pretty sure there's an addon that tracks your swing timer

unless it doesn't work anymore because Blizzard lmao

[tawdry bear]

So who is starting the thread to have sweeping strikes removed from the GCD? The pace is so much faster now. Spending a global on sweeping strikes hurts. Especially with the long cast time of cleave>slam.

[tawdry bear]

They are both good in the long run tbh. Slayer is the fan choice for the fun gameplay. For optimal AoE damage, use colossus.

[nova marsh]

Cast time?

[tawdry bear]

The animation.

Sweeping strikes takes a while to register after you use cleave.

At least in my opinion.

[ionic mica]

is all theyd do is make it do like 5k damage to your target and leave it on the global 🙂

blizz are weird like that

[zealous lily]

is Icy veisn or wowhead rotation better ?

[wind hatch]

they should be the same I think

archi writes both of them

[tawdry bear]

They look the same.

I like how Icy-veins includes bladestorm though.

Ravanger feels bad atm. I keep failing to line it up in dungeons.
Skill issue for me xD

[minor gust]

Simply just more dmg to cleave before BS

[errant magnet]

is arms now stronger then fury?

[zealous lily]

its just wowhead says to cleave soemtimes in ST and icy veins dosent :/

[lime owl]

normally you don't use it in ST, last resort is using slam if all is on cd

[wind hatch]

in that case wowhead is better

[lime owl]

when do you cleave in ST then?

[wind hatch]

during ravager or mass execution on colossus

[lime owl]

oh ok, was not aware of that and playing slayer atm

[wind hatch]

thats why slayer is goated

not as cursed

[minor gust]

Pretty sure as slayer you still cast cleave sub 35% over slam but like you won't do very many cleave casts cuz at 20% execute phase starts

[lime owl]

phew ok - never use it in ST tbh

[tawdry bear]

I think it is also talent based. Cleave does 20%more damage at 35% if you have the talent.

[lime owl]

didn't think it was needed

[tawdry bear]

But I think slayer runs execute at 35% talent so it os mute for slayer.

[safe island]

i don’t know how to line up my cooldowns

slayer arms

[lime owl]

still, think i'm gonna do some extra reading

wouldn't hurt 😄

[tawdry bear]

Bladestorm is hard because it is purely proc based. But as long as you keep all on cooldown you likely only have to hold bladestorm for 4 or 5 seconds before you get colossal smash back. Worst case.

Especially in target swapping. Slayer's cooldown goes down faster with SD based on the stacks your target has.

[safe island]

if colossus smash comes off cooldown first and avatar will be back in a few seconds, is it better to wait and use cs with avatar?

[tawdry bear]

Yes.

[minor gust]

Why isn't your tank pulling stuff onto boss

[safe island]

what should i do in urgent situations?

[tawdry bear]

Bladestorm

When in doubt bladestorm, sit back and think out your next moves.

You got 4 beautiful seconds to wait for gcd's

4, very long seconds.

[minor gust]

No only ever bladestorm with CS debuff applied

You lose a lot of dmg if you don't

[tawdry bear]

xD

[minor gust]

Always hold till your next CS. Ava just send on CD as slayer unless CS is about to come back

[wanton cove]

guys

i dont understand when to use heroic strike

is it not used until execute phase?

[minor gust]

What's not to understand go look at the wowhead priority page

[tawdry bear]

I think he is trolling.

[wanton cove]

no legit

[thick kelp]

yeah bro

your ms auto consumes it

[minor gust]

Read little one I believe in you

[thick kelp]

so you dont track it

[wanton cove]

sry im super new to arms

whats ms?

ah mortal strike i gues

[safe island]

so you’re saying i should just use avatar on cooldown?

[wanton cove]

so in the multitarget rotation slam is last prio, so you just dont use heroic strike?

[minor gust]

If CS is far from ready like 10-15 sec

[safe island]

i see

what about bs?

[lunar acorn]

i see that arms slayer is top on salhadar heroic any tips how to play it

[wind hatch]

fervor of battle auto consumes heroic strike when casting cleave

[minor gust]

If your looking at multitarget it's not gonna show heroic strike because cleave will use heroic strike for you thanks to fervor of battle

[wanton cove]

ah ok ok thx guys and sry for noob question

[minor gust]

Scroll up I just said only use BS with CS debuff applied

[safe island]

oh yea

[zealous lily]

wfor Slayer arms, is Rend like litteraly skipped or prio is way way low?

[minor gust]

If rend is not up it's highest prio

[latent moss]

funny dungeons

[minor gust]

Skyreach classic

[safe island]

damn i miss hekili

[minor gust]

idk if you played arms before its not really any different than its been last few years

[zealous lily]

unless im reading badly, its not what wowhead says :/

[minor gust]

In ST sure its prio to apply is low for slayer but like cba. Its been keep rend up for years and its still highest prio in aoe I dont really care. Apply it on pull in your opener and keep it up. Guarantee you the dmg difference is almost nothing

[wind hatch]

yep I still always apply on pull and reapply on pandemic lol

[minor gust]

And were still owning while doing it

[quick acorn]

at how many targets do we swap to aoe rotation?

[minor gust]

3+

[balmy basalt]

Do we cleave over slam on 2+ with sweeping

[minor gust]

cleave with x3 collat stacks

[slender sonnet]

I dont pad

[olive nest]

Boss damage, the respectable log

[minor gust]

ok but whats the healing parse

thats what matters

[spring vale]

where's your die by the sword effective uptime

[minor gust]

owning

[fast nebula]

is there anyway to actually track heroic strike? Cant see it on the cdm

[minor gust]

track slam

[slender sonnet]

got this tho

the myth version dropped but dk got it

saj

[minor gust]

F

its ok fuck colo who even wants to play that spec @latent moss

[fresh spire]

me when 2 tagfet in .5

[minor gust]

tagfet

[fresh spire]

😄

[minor gust]

how 12.05 simming going Walhe scared me yesterday saying Slayer loses 6% ST. He out of the loop or did something change

[candid pecan]

well yeah, in 12.0.5 slayer won't have Reap the Storm in ST

so if you do a 5 min quick sim as slayer, imagine it without Reap

-6% ST indeed, unless they buff slayer

[nova marsh]

All they need to do is buff slayer's strike

And maybe just some ST arms buffs in general please

[candid pecan]

either or can work

[minor gust]

well no because you have BS buff and Slam now applying DW

[candid pecan]

napkin mathing hard rn

okay the BS buff covers the REAP from unhinged MS

im not sure if the DW from slam covers the remaining 1,5M dmg from reap

[minor gust]

it was only a 1% ST loss when Fishy was doing sims on Friday

[candid pecan]

oh okay then

[minor gust]

was just curious if things changed when Walhe mention something different

[paper tendon]

wtf that's confusing, im looking at wow head priority and mortal strike + sudden death execute is priority over heroic strike???

[thick kelp]

shoulda dded the /s

[paper tendon]

oh kk

[nova marsh]

Soon

I shall come home

[fathom hollow]

Has our bis items changed for m+ after the buffs?

[boreal quartz]

www.simulationcraft.com/topgear

[nova marsh]

Our stat prio didn't change with buffs

[fathom hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-drooling-patrick-star-spongebob-movie-drooling-slime-gif-525340425450564005

[boreal quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/soy-soyjak-wojak-soy-boy-gif-23431308

[nova marsh]

I mean he ain't wrong but

he should've made it an actual link

[lean geode]

this guy linking to simc itself instead of raidbots

phil washed

[nova marsh]

And it's not even a link!

[boreal quartz]

im so tapped into simming bro u dont even know

thats the last input in mine 😎

[nova marsh]

Dumb question

[boreal quartz]

the guy whos thing i used changed it

[nova marsh]

Do we only have like 2 cantrips

For the whole season overall?

[boreal quartz]

prestidigitation

eldritch blast

[minor gust]

Phil you subbed to the game yet?

[fervent cedar]

no

[fervent cedar]

nope

I will not do it

[wind hatch]

dont mess with us poor people

[thick kelp]

yall think I actually pay for mine

smh

[fervent cedar]

why pay when free does trick?

🙂

[naive sage]

This should be updated @smoky kayak

[nova marsh]

Yyall just have one money bags person pay for it

[boreal quartz]

i installed

i did the dk starting zone and tried out like 2 addons

then didnt continue on

[nova marsh]

Cooked

[minor gust]

[slender sonnet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2NZ3dmRV7MvYyjtX?fight=33&type=casts&source=54

god pull

sd

[fervent cedar]

Insane log for sure

[minor gust]

you shoulda seen my pull on our .5% wipe this week

I was shitting on that boss

[wind hatch]

L BOZO

[slender sonnet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2NZ3dmRV7MvYyjtX?fight=33&type=casts&source=546

there we go

[boreal quartz]

idk i dont see a good reason artm

[slender sonnet]

6 bladestorms in 4 mins

[boreal quartz]

50€ to do 1 key

[slender sonnet]

felt insane

[boreal quartz]

your pries tis good

[kind stag]

big arms man

[steep osprey]

What's home?

[nova marsh]

Home is warr

[strange basalt]

how far behind is slayer in aoe/cleave compared to colossus?

[slender sonnet]

yeah he pumping

[slender sonnet]

I love arms

we somehow tho went from 3 warriors to 1 in raid

[strange basalt]

arms do seem more fun

i been playing fury

[kind stag]

im considering swapping to arms with upcoming fury nerfs but idk, then again i like both specs

[slender sonnet]

I cba with fury

I mean I'd need to reroll all my gear

which is just issue #1/1000000

I dont like how fury plays atm

[kind stag]

i got fury gear atm, and i actually enjoy slayer fury which seems to be the play post thane nerfs soon but still, arms seems so much stronger for big pulls in m+

[old glacier]

Right now you sadly just want one. Just a battle shout bot. 😭

[boreal quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/aot-meme-aot-bp-larp-larping-gif-3516451944322480910

[modern otter]

is warrior a good choice to main or no?

[kind stag]

best main is one you wanna play regardless of balance because blizz sucks with balancing

unless you are warlock or mage then you will be perma relevant

[slender sonnet]

?

[boreal quartz]

if u have fun playing one yes

[boreal quartz]

i am making fun of you since there is a fury pull in the log

[slender sonnet]

Oh I see

[boreal quartz]

which CLEARLY indicated you hate the spec

[slender sonnet]

real actually

1 fury pull 14 arms

arms hater

confirmed

[nova marsh]

You gotta like

kiss arms's booty

[slender sonnet]

yy real

[wind hatch]

FAKE arms fan

[slender sonnet]

real

[nova marsh]

If you're not an arms one trick

ur not a real arms fan

(Me)

[wind hatch]

get all these FRAUDS outta here

[kind stag]

how about dps warrior fan

i like both

[nova marsh]

heresy

[kind stag]

:(

[nova marsh]

na I'm jokin man

It's chill

Liking both is thge best

[kind stag]

its why i play warrior, i hate for example how on some classes i like only one spec

but on warrior i like both dps specs

[modern otter]

ok so im up in the air with playing either a warrior, DH, Monk, or a Lock what do u guys think if im Mythic raiding and M+

[boreal quartz]

the last good fury iteration was amirdrassil

[nova marsh]

You are asking a very bias chat

[kind stag]

now im just suck deciding should i go invest into fury or arms for this season

[boreal quartz]

https://imgur.com/YLdynj3

[kind stag]

the autoattack fiesta?

[boreal quartz]

the tindral gif

the bloodbath slam thing

[nova marsh]

Last good fury incarnation was bfa

Change my mind

[kind stag]

i cant i didnt play warr then

nor did i play wow then

[nova marsh]

Oh

when did u start?

[kind stag]

on my own account, legion

i was a paladin/rogue gamer until dragonfloot

[boreal quartz]

sl arms

my goat

binkbonk mortal combo

[nova marsh]

man

I'm a warr/rogue gamer now I think

[kind stag]

rogue has to be the shittiest designed class atm

borderline criminal that it didnt get giga reworked yet

[nova marsh]

I honestly don't hate it

I hate the defensives

But sub and outlaw feel nice (Sin is fake)

[kind stag]

i prefer Fury from warrior specs just becuase i like that i dont sacrifice ST for MT or viceversa

but arms feels good af on ST

[nova marsh]

THE BETRAYAL

[nova marsh]

🤔

[slender sonnet]

🤔

[minor gust]

🤔

[kind stag]

😺

[nova marsh]

🤔

I got baited

[marsh yarrow]

hello guys is it normal for demolish to not line with clossus smash in st in dungeons, if so what to do, should I send clossus or do what ?

[dire hinge]

yeah, they have two different systems that control their cooldown speed, so they're often misaligned.
Hold your your Demolish for your next Colossus Smash

[marsh yarrow]

thank you mate

[dire hinge]

of course!

[scarlet cedar]

I also want to say thank you, I'm lurking and your advice is helping me a lot

[dire hinge]

happy to help! A lot of this stuff makes sense, but the connected dots aren't always apparent.

[minor gust]

Thats our sole yellow arms warrior Hrothmar for you

all the rest of them are fury players smh

[scarlet cedar]

I'm learning Arms these days and holy fuck, there's a lot of "oh now I have X stacks of this, and there's this many enemies, so I should do this" versus fury smash ww/tc smash boom boom

[kind stag]

makes sense

arms is more controlled big hits while fury is as its name, just furious fast attacks

[lean geode]

All the warrior brains are arms mains tho

except archi/sarri themselves

[wet bear]

what do you guys track? (new war) i dont know what i shoud have tracked

[nova marsh]

Archi is above a mere spec main

[wind hatch]

I'd track slam too for HS

[scarlet cedar]

going from fury to arms and I have to remind myself that sometimes it's okay to not click a button

[kind stag]

real

[minor gust]

based and real

[wind hatch]

and avatar

[thick kelp]

perfect balance

yellow = fury
warriorbrain= arms

[wet bear]

i gusse remove rend right?

[thick kelp]

8yellows vs 3 warriorbrains

[minor gust]

Need a brain to play arms

[kind stag]

since when is arms considered brains spec

[wind hatch]

I just have 2 rows but if you really just want to have 1 I guess u remove rend

[kind stag]

warrior in general is not that hard cmon now

[wraith nova]

Heya, if I wanna level and learn arms now, with the known info of 12.0.5 etc, do I go slayer or colussus? If I prefer learning what is likely gonna be played soon rather than max it for the moment

[minor gust]

12.05 is weeks away many things can still change between now and then

just learn both they arent that different from each other

[wet bear]

is rend not a passive thing with som skils tho i might be thinking of prot

[minor gust]

or focus on one you find more fun

[wind hatch]

rend is only passive below 35%

[kind stag]

i get ya hawk, im atm contemplating fury or arms

[wraith nova]

hard pressed to say whats fun beforehand :> I knw most play colussus atm, but is the extra AoE really worth the ST loss even for m+?

[minor gust]

currently both slayer and colo are very good in keys

[wind hatch]

i think colossus and slayer are relatively even in keys right now

[wraith nova]

if Im gonna play warr its gonna have to be arms Im afraid, I rather dislike the asthetics of dual 2h :>

[scarlet cedar]

idk I feel like colossus has giga many keybinds to sort compared to slayer?

[wind hatch]

it depends on what your comp needs I'd say

[wet bear]

ah gusse i wil try and find a arms video and copy the set up a bit

[kind stag]

i love dual wield, but if you wanna have slower methodical spec then arms defo

[wraith nova]

dont have a set group and as its an alt and "late" in teh season, I expect Ill take what I get or make my own groups either way

[torn rivet]

i too wonder that

[minor gust]

Just start with and play slayer

[wraith nova]

I have a sweet spot for 2h weapons, ngl. Leveled my surv hunter but PL surv just feels like a gigapruned version of surv forced into melee more for lower output. Pass.

[kind stag]

i like fury because i dont lose giga dps for going bit AoE but upcoming fury nerfs seem like ima cry

[minor gust]

Slayer will have a better all round dmg profile and will lead to more consistent results with all groups

[torn rivet]

how much we lose in ST on colo tho?

[wraith nova]

if that is so, and considering I have to levle from 80 to 90, it feels like I might aswell just play slayer from the get go then

[minor gust]

If you just wanna blast aoe play colo

[wraith nova]

maybe Im wrong, but Id assume its the better leveling spec intuitively

[minor gust]

for leveling? yeah slayer all the way

[wraith nova]

cool. and the current slayer build for m+ etc, does it look to be the same as the one in 12.0.5?

[wet bear]

how do i make it 2 rows instead of 1?

[minor gust]

again not much is certain for 12.05

[median lotus]

maccro for ravager on char doesn't work anymore ?

[minor gust]

the build now will suffice

[wraith nova]

nah I understand that, thats why I say "currently"

alright, Ill just do that then and read the prio for it. Guessing its somewhat intuitive

[minor gust]

because ravager is thrown at your target now

[wraith nova]

one thing I have to say about arms as an outsider.. slam? please make it go away

[median lotus]

damn those mf thx

[minor gust]

Slayer is very straightforward once you start playing it

[nova marsh]

You can do dual 1h now with fury

For mog

[wraith nova]

thats cool, too, but I really do like one 2h :>

[paper tendon]

Damn does crit stat really matter that much? I'm simming single target on raidbots with arms slayer ST raid talents (with my fury gear) and it's doing like 5k less dps than my fury MT dungeon spec simmed. I was just watching critcake do a +18 academy with his fury gear as arms slayer and he's pumping, what am I missing?

[wraith nova]

is there any kind of macro or other allowed atm to bake slam into other abilities if they are not available, to avoid an extra keybind with no real purpose?

[jovial hare]

critcake is also cracked

[paper tendon]

so raidbots sims isn't doing the most optimal rotation?

[rose maple]

is there a list of how much every spec gains from skyfury somewhere?

[wraith nova]

how often do u slam? can I put it in a really awkward key bind?

[wind hatch]

pretty often

[wraith nova]

I hate my life

[wind hatch]

with how heroic strike works now you'd be better off not doing that

[dim basalt]

We dont need that many keybinds

[wraith nova]

as long as we dont use thunderclap I can use that keybind and sent shattering throw to the awkward one I guess

[wraith nova]

fair enough, cheers

maybe I even just learned to read the damn apex talents

[scarlet cedar]

anyone using Plater? what's the setting where the nameplates move up/down depending on how close you are to the npcs?

[ancient vector]

jsut tried arms again and im lost. the CDs dont line up at all right? should I jstu send it or wait for everything to be ready?

[wraith nova]

wouldnt be the first spec to be like that

how come rend is like.. so far down the list of import for slayer vs colussus?

[minor gust]

because rend is pretty poorly tuned and is proped up by bleed talents from colo tree

[nova marsh]

so for slayer it's just like

press rend over slam?

[wraith nova]

fair enough, thanks, bit uncomfortable to have putting dots up somewhere in the middle of prio, ngl

"middle" is a strong word, I mean, not first or last

[minor gust]

its somewhere down there personally idc and still play with rend how its always been played

the min max is minor af

[nova marsh]

Yeah I'd rather not undo the muscle memory

[minor gust]

If its uncomfortable just play it like a normal dot. Apply it right away and keep it up

[wraith nova]

not even attemping to minmax is also uncomfortable 😄

[minor gust]

I can almost guarantee you the difference is so minor it doesnt matter

[magic canopy]

@thick kelp did you ever find a fix for the Known Heroic strike thin breaking

[thick kelp]

not really, the same macro you gave to me still works on my client lol

[magic canopy]

wonder whats breaking it then

[thick kelp]

its a bad macro so

its w/e

[mortal crag]

does it make sense it tells me to cleave before BS?

[magic canopy]

the only reason i use it is becuase we cant track HS on buffs

[minor gust]

bruh I told you this like twice yesterday

[mortal crag]

i didnt listen

i was probably not here

when u wrote it

:3

im silly EU

[minor gust]

it was a reply

[mortal crag]

well maybe i missed it

;<

[wind hatch]

[mortal crag]

so what is it

[minor gust]

send your 4 cleaves before BS xD

its more dmg

[mortal crag]

I'm here now frozenbabe

[mortal crag]

Is it cuz there's a bs buff im ignoring?

[thick kelp]

yes

its a minor gain to dump your cleaves and sd's before bs

[elder path]

You also send any SD procs you get during those 4 cleaves correct?

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-5704388171529337323

[wind hatch]

cleave just busted tbh

[mortal crag]

I mean I just thought like I want bs on cd asap

Cuz big spin

[thick kelp]

naw

you want cleave on cd asap

[elder path]

^

[minor gust]

big spin isnt big spin till 12.05

[magic canopy]

okay they actually fixxed HS showing on cdm

issue solved

[thick kelp]

wym

kt was always there with slam

[magic canopy]

it used to not show the transform

forever ago