45k on a boss vs 60k on the same boss
#arms
lone raft
rend does feel odd but remember it’s uncapped
makes about 10% of my damage should be more end of a run
FYI I’m a fucking noob
someone correct me if this is bad advice
specifically about the HS proc being top prio
safe island
it does not apply colossus smash's SS
lone raft
I tested it and it worked
safe island
idunno
lone raft
10+ times
safe island
mine not working
lone raft
specifically with CS because someone had an issue
so re make it with a different sound
I’m using synth wave from wc2
lone raft
try on dummies
finite spire
why isn't rend used on ST with Slayer? At least not on WoWhead opener.
granite coral
single target still feels meh, aoe we are chads
better, than before though they are welcome buffs
minor gust
How is arms doing in M+ after the last buffs?
Been good since the 15% aura buff weeks ago
minor gust
why isn't rend used on ST with Slayer? At least not on WoWhead opener.
At one point rend wasn't worth pressing. Prob just Archi forgetting to update. Charge then rend in your openers. Slayer ST prio has rend highest prio if it's not active
safe island
try on dummies
CS SS works fine, but normal SS is not working
sometimes works, sometimes not works
wtf
rose ibex
Yeah takes a while for the beta propaganda to lose effect
Single target was pretty ass tho
Reaaaaally bad. Like tank level
safe island
CS SS works fine, but normal SS is not working
works at the beginning, but it is not working now
sacred summit
Reaaaaally bad. Like tank level
xd
latent moss
Been good since the 15% aura buff weeks ago
crawth i am mental booming from playing this spec
key before (18) i did 70k
exact same rota
everything is the exact same
just no sd procs ever
finite spire
do we charge weave anymore or?
latent moss
i charge weave on cd
minor gust
everything is the exact same
Colo can be fucked with RNG you just got no rage and no tact procs if you get low rolls
minor gust
XD
latent moss
slayer is the same
except now u also depend on sd
at least colo always fucks in aoe
spring vale
Been good since the 15% aura buff weeks ago
rose ibex
Does anyone know how many sparks we can currently have at the moment?
rose ibex
All tier lists garbage
latent moss
real
minor gust
Hell yeah hit me with the outdated tier lists thanks for your input!
latent moss
arms worst spec in the game
nova marsh
Does anyone know how many sparks we can currently have at the moment?
6
5 normal + 1 one freebie from world tour quest
spring vale
Hell yeah hit me with the outdated tier lists thanks for your input!
idk man apparently it was updated 
nova marsh
Is it one a week?
Yes
minor gust
idk man apparently it was updated <:keks:936231610850897992>
Arms bad then let's roll with that thank you slop tier list enjoyet
spring vale
I do not agree with it being ranked so low btw its just funny that apparently the list has been updated and its still ranked so low
for me 
minor gust
Hence why tier lists aren't the end all be all
rose ibex
Imagine being ranked below outlaw
spring vale
i agree, much better to look at stats and logs i think
raw atlas
Just play what you like and you will make it work
daring heron
dunno tbh
minor gust
M+ stats are heavily misleading
spring vale
arms clearing some of the highest keys
rose ibex
Cuz I like law unfortunately
My friend is playing a piano solo while I grab a cup of coffee during my bladestorm
nova marsh
A piano solo that gets derailed by a dice roll (fuck the purple buff)
lethal acorn
Just got my resi 13s too!
nova marsh
I could say the same thing about arms to a degree
granite coral
Just got my resi 13s too!
grats king
nova marsh
Just got my resi 13s too!
Grats!
spring vale
huuge gz
rose ibex
A piano solo that gets derailed by a dice roll (fuck the purple buff)
I thought my friend's damage was fine but then he mentioned his gear had perfect secondaries and he was pre potting every big cooldown
lethal acorn
what was your hardest key?
I think AA (Which is funny because it was my first 13 timed but my last 12 timed)
rose ibex
Just got my resi 13s too!
Hell yeah dude
granite coral
I think AA (Which is funny because it was my first 13 timed but my last 12 timed...
AA much easier with nerf now thank god
finite spire
we still charge timing without a swing timer?
safe island
if the final hit of the stack is mortal strike or execute, the audio alert does not trigger. can someone test this?
i’m not sure if it’s just me or if others are experiencing this too
i kept testing it, and it works properly with slam, overpower, and cleave
rose ibex
for m+
Charge
Rend
Avatar
CS
Options:
Have rage? Cleave til you cant
SD procs
BS
Don't have rage? BS
Then cleave spam
undone birch
hey guys, i was once a fury warr, rn wanna learn some of the new stuff and going in the arms. what i didnt understand is how is this spec hits aoe, as far as i read cleave, BS and sweeping strike (which hits only 2 targets) do i have to manage something like whirlwind? edit: switched the slayer arms
bold granite
Cleave
undone birch
so i assume ST dmg is higher?
safe island
why i dont use heroic strike in aoe situation?
safe island
oh
didn't know that
i want to know two target rotation
sims use cleave in two target i dunno why
minor gust
It's the ST rotation but you press cleave at 3 stacks of collateral
minor gust
safe island
what the priority 3stack colla cleave is?
minor gust
Behind MS
safe island
oh well, i should not use slam, just need to wait for MS coming back.
copper swan
can we somehow put heroic strike on the same button as another spell and make it take the priority when procs happen
with a macro or addon
safe island
too many buttons, too many tracking buffs
minor gust
can we somehow put heroic strike on the same button as another spell and make it...
You can there's a macro but like there's 0 point you will still need to press slam
Keep scrolling up till you find it
safe island
aside from the opener, it’s basically at 10 stacks most of the time
surreal spade
thank you
copper swan
Keep scrolling up till you find it
found it, thank you
wind hatch
dont need 10 stacks?
colossal might stacks aren't as important as they were in tww
the most important thing is getting it off during your cs window
torpid tide
Critcake running arms keys. Let’s gooooooooo
wispy kettle
fiery monolith
Is cleave prioritized over MS in two person fight when you got 3 stacks of collateral damage? (has surely been asked a million times already why is there no professional warrior youtuber that produces guides)
safe island
what was the buff that sudden death needs to further reduce bladestorm’s cooldown?
i forgot
wind hatch
imminent demise
safe island
doesn’t it reduce it by consuming a specific buff, up to around 15 seconds?
safe island
imminent demise
thx
safe island
yea
wind hatch
I've been sticking to colo but slayer is really fun
I might try some more slayer keys
wind hatch
but colo pulls ahead slightly?
i think it depends on the dungeon tbh
safe island
wait no im stupid
i read through all the executioner-related tooltips and i don’t see anything about reducing cooldowns further. am i just missing it?
wind hatch
i read through all the executioner-related tooltips and i don’t see anything abo...
it's unrelenting onslaught
the final talent in slayer tree
safe island
but it only says sudden death reduces it by 5 seconds, and i can’t find anything about it reducing up to 15 seconds anywhere
wind hatch
per stack of executioner you have
gentle frigate
What’s a good way to track that?
safe island
doesn’t that just mean it applies 1 stack of overwhelmed per executioner stack, not that it reduces the cooldown further? i guess i’m just misunderstanding the english
i think back in tww, sudden death reduced the cooldown by consuming some kind of buff, what was it? there was no executioner back then
nova marsh
doesn’t that just mean it applies 1 stack of overwhelmed per executioner stack, ...
It was consuming mark
brittle rock
wait a second, dominance of the colossus will be 5s cd reduce up from 2??
what the hell
gentle frigate
Anyone here playing slayer arms in the raid?
stable silo
I am comparing myself with Crit right now looking at mythic plus logs. I have 273.2 ilvl, around 34% crit and 21% haste with Puzzle box and Solarflare prism as hero fully upgraded trinkets. His average cleave hit in Maisara Caverns are (non-critical) 49k and (critical) 128k where as mine are average (non-crit) 21k and (crit) 48k. I have a crafted weapon 285 ilvl. I use crit flask and light potential potion. Has anyone else noticed their cleave damage being significantly lower than others?
grim orchid
is colossus better overall and can go slayer if st is more needed?
pulsar frost
Slayer is so much more fun imo. It feels better in aoe and much more in ST. Aoe doesnt hit as hard without the cleave buffs and demo as to col. But it just feels more fun imo
median crag
col aoe is more funner imo
lone raft
colo for aoe imo at least for me, something satisfying about the last demo smash
maybe now with reduced cd on demo it will feel better ST
they are both good man just play what u like
warped spade
I am comparing myself with Crit right now looking at mythic plus logs. I have 27...
Check your colossus smash uptime/ targets hit. And your sweeping strikes uptime.
fervent cedar
Anyone here playing slayer arms in the raid?
On most bosses, yes
fervent cedar
So when do you use cleave in ST
as a filler, or while ravager is active and MS is on CD, look at wowhead for ST prio list
wet island
Ty Ty
sacred zodiac
cleaned up my actionbar dont think i need anything else
daring flicker
clean
nova marsh
cleaned up my actionbar dont think i need anything else
cleave probally
daring flicker
yeah he should leave
nova marsh
sacred zodiac
dont have that talented
nova marsh
sacred zodiac
single target is quite easy
daring flicker
rage is not an issue
flat willow
trolling in maisara 10 with an aug
flat willow
it was my friend rogue, I just stole all the mobs
nova marsh
Das how we do it
olive nest
raw sapphire
Are there any training dummies that are usable before the dungeon starts?
nova marsh
...first of all why
raw sapphire
idk pull rage
nova marsh
I wonna say it's reset on fog
Second of all, no not really. All of them that I know are outdoors onlyu
Guys
minor gust
Are there any training dummies that are usable before the dungeon starts?
Fish head does
nova marsh
You can and should stack ID before dungeon start
Good point actually
Also
Are TW dungeons overtuned or what
7 mill health
fresh spire
Time walking felt scuffed leveling up in prepatch. Felt like stuff had too much hp. Maybe same story
nova marsh
Slyvie's ghouls
even when I saved full burst they just wouldn't die
we got them to like half health and then they collasped in
And evreything in end time is omega scuffed
That is the first TW dungeon I've done well leveling that felt insanely overtuned. Like murazond had....7 million hp
mortal crag
Charge
Rend
Avatar
CS
Options:
Have rage? Cleave til you cant
SD procs
BS
Don'...
charge rend ava cs bladestorm spam cleave
in aoe prioritize SD procs or cleave if both available?
minor ivy
what addon/s are ppl using to show CD of healthstones/potions etc on their unit frames? And stops like stormbolt/shockwave
nova marsh
what addon/s are ppl using to show CD of healthstones/potions etc on their unit ...
Like on party frames?
minor ivy
On player unit f rames
nova marsh
...Show an example?
minor gust
charge rend ava cs bladestorm spam cleave
X4 cleaves before BS
minor ivy
...Show an example?
sacred zodiac
do i play the EP conditionals in <20% in the slayer m+ build or do i still press ms on cd
minor ivy
usually aiyjie cdm
I'll try that, ty
minor gust
do i play the EP conditionals in <20% in the slayer m+ build or do i still press...
EP rotation like in raid.
You will be fine on rage unless super unlucky and no blue friend in the group
nova marsh
Blue friends don't exist
nova marsh
Can I steal?
rare kite
aren't you yellow main
rare kite
big tru, rogue is so op rn
minor gust
Rogue having the wonderful problem of trash in raid. Awesome in keys
nova marsh
aren't you yellow main
You fool
....I dont have a main anymore
At least it dosent feel like it
Man
This is what I get for not playing warrior for one expansion
minor gust
Yup deserved
spring vale
leaving warrior for mage is actually fucked up
if its shaman you're referring to then its not as bad
rose ibex
what
spring vale
saved
nova marsh
Fuck i forgot we had multiple shades of blue
rose ibex
shammies are bros
rare kite
leaving warrior for mage is the ultimate betrayal
could be worse. could be aug
astral yarrow
bluemangood
rare kite
augs are not fine. they give me fake damage. imagine going the gym hitting prs on bench and then you find out some invisible man was helping you lift
sullen jacinth
augs are not fine. they give me fake damage. imagine going the gym hitting prs o...
Id kill myself!
paper gulch
augs are not fine. they give me fake damage. imagine going the gym hitting prs o...
I think its more that theyre giving you creatine and pre-workout rather than lifting it for you
errant citrus
Id kill myself!
Augs can help you do that
rare kite
I think its more that theyre giving you creatine and pre-workout rather than lif...
i disagree. i think i'm doing well on the meters and then i find out i get augd and was just okay. would be the same at the gym, you go "ahh the weights are really easy" and then you find out why it was easier, you feel deceived.
paper gulch
I think its fine we basically have a bard class now. The only thing I don't like about them is bad ones are keystone terrorists.
rare kite
idk the spec is unbalanceable as well. either too strong or too weak
errant citrus
At least they have a dev, warriors obviously do not
fierce wharf
hit 246 between t11 delves, tw and shit, let's spin up this first M+ as slayer lol
sacred summit
is the slayer rotation for aoe in raid the same as this but just use whirlwind and maintain the buff?
since slayer doesnt take cleave unless ig in keys?
ocean moth
anyone have a good CD macro for arms? do we macro CS and avatar together?
minor gust
is the slayer rotation for aoe in raid the same as this but just use whirlwind a...
WW is a pretty dead button. I haven't pressed that shit in raid since DF when we had BIG WW... I miss that shit. Anytime if theres any meaningful aoe well usually pick up cleave.
nova marsh
is the slayer rotation for aoe in raid the same as this but just use whirlwind a...
I'm pretty sure the cleave builds runs it
minor gust
There's a threshold where you can WW over slam but like cba just press other buttons and hit the boss
warped ether
WW is a pretty dead button. I haven't pressed that shit in raid since DF when we...
WW s 4 shadowlands the golden age
fierce wharf
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7TgdLm4qHDy9F8af?fight=last&type=damage-done
Don't look at damage taken, I was freestyling life, but anything I should get ahead of? that was stupidfun.
sacred summit
WW is a pretty dead button. I haven't pressed that shit in raid since DF when we...
oh? but it doesnt look like people are taking cleave in raid
(looking at heroic data)
wind hatch
depends on boss
minor gust
Because most of the time it just aint worth it especially in heroic
Adds will typically die before your bladestorm is over
sacred summit
ah so do we just hold and use bs for adds and just dump boss ST
wind hatch
pretty much
sacred summit
cuz it looks like for acutal aoe fights we just go colossus
and the fights we take slayer we dont cleave
astral yarrow
Adds will typically die before your bladestorm is over
also, the talent point commitment to do any type of aoe damage outside of BS is ginormous
wind hatch
im a slayer cleave + fob believer for mythic chimaerus and averzian
sacred summit
yea no one seems to be taking cleave for slayer in mythic either
except 28% of ppl for mythic chimaerus
sacred summit
yea aversian is the other one where its almost half/half
ppl going slayer/colossus
do u just prefer slayer?
wind hatch
do u just prefer slayer?
yeah for raid
wind hatch
i only like playing colossus if there's isnt really a choice
sacred summit
u do colossus in keys?
wind hatch
do u just go the m+ slayer build
normal st build but i drop both points of bloodborne and bloodsurge for cleave, collateral damage, and fervor of battle
wind hatch
u do colossus in keys?
yeah
sacred summit
normal st build but i drop both points of bloodborne and bloodsurge for cleave, ...
gotcha thanks
so arms just doesnt use whirlwind ever then huh
wind hatch
whirlwind is a meme button rn lol
sacred summit
is arms targetcapped the same way fury is
nova marsh
na
rose ibex
practicing single target
i swear the m+ slayer build has the same dps as the single target raid build
can't seem to wiggle off of 50k
nova marsh
arent cleave, smash, and demolish 8target cap with reduced damage beyond 8
Yes
But that's not the same way fury is
sacred zodiac
5 target vs 8 right?
furys cleave through imrpoved ww is hard capped to 5
and tc/tb is soft capped to 5 so they're technically similar ye
short crescent
I think I am just blind, but it looks like we don't use heroic strike at all during the aoe rotation?
does this mean our apex talent is doing nothing
sacred zodiac
cleave slams due to some talent
short crescent
ah okay
amber nymph
How is arms holding up compared to fury? IcyVeins puts it a couple tiers down for raiding
short crescent
Must be missing that
sacred zodiac
How is arms holding up compared to fury? IcyVeins puts it a couple tiers down fo...
arms is played on one fight and fury shouldnt be played for any others so i suppose its doing fine
smoky kayak
How is arms holding up compared to fury? IcyVeins puts it a couple tiers down fo...
it's got potential on a couple fights, but Fury leads for the most part
nova marsh
5 target vs 8 right?
Yes and fury is hardcapped for their main rotational aoe
short crescent
ah I see it now, cleave uses slam if it hits 3+ targets
amber nymph
it's got potential on a couple fights, but Fury leads for the most part
Shame, I just love the class fantasy of arms more than fury
sacred zodiac
you are fine to play arms
smoky kayak
Lightblinded is really good for Arms
Crown, Belo'ren, and Midnight Falls are all decent
sacred zodiac
unless you're wf/hof raiding you can play whatever you want
amber nymph
Yeah probably true, I’m not pushing any limits with my gameplay so I’ll probably just as effective/ineffective lol
sacred zodiac
then you should definitely play the spec you enjoy most
smoky kayak
unless you're wf/hof raiding you can play whatever you want
Very much this - be mindful that the reason Fury is better is because it blasts adds but there are a lot of specs that blast adds - if you don't play Fury, a Warlock or DH is just gonna kill them instead
amber nymph
I’m relatively new to WoW, just saw a lot of people saying “arma is dead in midnight”
smoky kayak
so it's not like your raid is really losing anything by not playing Fury
smoky kayak
I’m relatively new to WoW, just saw a lot of people saying “arma is dead in midn...
rip @jovial marsh, we hardly knew you 🫗
amber nymph
Oops
nova marsh
smoky kayak
Arms has gotten buffed a few times, and the last three fights being basically all single target helps
amber nymph
How’s the rotation? Can a pea-brain pick it up?
smoky kayak
I still wouldn't call Arms good by any means, even in pure single target, it's kind of middling at best
but you can play it just fine, and frankly all the other AoE blasters in your raid will probably like you more for playing Arms instead of Fury 
sacred zodiac
How’s the rotation? Can a pea-brain pick it up?
i dont think any rotation is currently difficult to understand
nova marsh
Please throw me
smoky kayak
How’s the rotation? Can a pea-brain pick it up?
it's pretty similar to TWW, just look at the guides in the #dps-faq
amber nymph
What about in dungeons? Fury is better for clear?
smoky kayak
Arms is good in high sustained cleave
pretty mid in single target, but that's not the majority of keys
amber nymph
Gotcha gotcha, will be putting in the time to learn arms when I get back on
2-handed axes are the best weapon for the spec right?
sacred zodiac
weapon type doesnt matter as long as its 2h str
lone raft
rag on me lads
windrunner 10 , I did die on one boss fight charging through rubble on orc guy
and warlock took 19 years to brez me
I need more rend uptime other than that how am I looking, does my MS need more
and am I slamming too much on ST
someone mentioned earlier just waiting for resource and using MS instead
thorn stream
Cleave also slams so keep that in mind
nova marsh
chief we cannot help you much from a damage breakdown
we have no idea what you're pressing when. Although
dying is a skill issue\
mortal crag
can we macro ava+wb
nova marsh
can we macro ava+wb
I'm pretty sure yeah
sacred summit
Yes and fury is hardcapped for their main rotational aoe
so fury's main source of damage in aoe is their main rotation and not tbs right
mortal crag
ik wb isnt synced but we want to ava whenever we have wb anyways
sacred zodiac
dont see why you couldn't
mortal crag
hi spongie57
sacred zodiac
you could conjure up some fucked up scenario where you want to shift your avatar into a later warbreaker
sacred zodiac
press cleave
lone raft
#showtooltip Avatar
/startattack
/cast Blood Fury
/castsequence reset=target/10 Avatar, Colossus Smash, Demolish"
short crescent
wowhead multi-target arms talents does not have cleave talented
lone raft
the demolish is broken tho
nova marsh
so fury's main source of damage in aoe is their main rotation and not tbs right
I'm not sure with thane, since clap absoutlely blsts
But probally yes
mortal crag
so fury's main source of damage in aoe is their main rotation and not tbs right
in pulls with moer than 6 mobs as fury, u prio clap
e.g. ur algethar first pull can look sth like this
charge>of>ava>reck>clap>rampage>clap>rampage>clap>rampage>clap (u probs reach past 100 rage on the first few secs every gcd)
even if its not blast
then when the pull dies down u go to regular rotation
its in the priorty list
sacred zodiac
i dont think it does but it probably does more relevant damage
pulsar frost
Its much better ST
lime owl
yh but in most pulls i can't keep up with other specs with slayer
much easier with colo
why can't we have both 🙁
nova marsh
Because colo is cursed to forever be an aoe spec and nothing else
lime owl
i dont want to top the meters in st, just don't want to be below the tank 🙁
is that so much to ask for? 😄
pulsar frost
Should still be able to do above tank tho
lime owl
protection paladins wreck me :/
lime owl
i really dont wanna say it but skill issue
i'm getting more and more to that conclusion but can't seem to find the answer :/
pulsar frost
Its ok. Sometimes I feel like im getting skill issued on arms st. Espiclaly without cds in st
Tho slayer fixed the ST issue mainly for me
lime owl
true but my overall damage is still kinda meh
gear and stats should be oke, must be missing something but don't see it
pulsar frost
For slayer? I dont think its much different besides prio sd procs
lime owl
if someone wanna help do some test runs on dummies, i'm all for it 😄
leaden garnet
Question about slayer in the execute phase: do you ONLY press MS with two stacks of executioner's precision?
Also question about slayer in AoE pulls: if I have CS and BS off cooldown and am hitting a pack with like 3+ mobs, is it better to send BS despite the fact that it'll desync from Avatar? Or should I ONLY ever use BS on odd numbered CS casts to keep it synced with Avatar for the entire dungeon
We get way more SD procs on AoE so often BS will come off cooldown far earlier than expected
Also a third question: why do SD procs sometimes reduce BS cooldown by 5 seconds, and other times by 10 seconds?
wind hatch
Question about slayer in the execute phase: do you ONLY press MS with two stacks...
yes
nova marsh
Also a third question: why do SD procs sometimes reduce BS cooldown by 5 seconds...
Because it's based on mark procs
it's 5 sec per proc.
wind hatch
Also question about slayer in AoE pulls: if I have CS and BS off cooldown and am...
dont worry about syncing bladestorm with avatar
cs is what matters
leaden garnet
I see, I see
pastel stirrup
hey guys what are you using to track sweeping strikes
leaden garnet
Blizzard's cooldown manager
Configure the buff bar to track what you want, then put the buff bar somewhere you can view easily
For me it's over my portrait
quiet bramble
Is mastery even good? Damn sim leaning toward it 
cerulean onyx
Do you guys think the slayer m+ build will still be used in the 12.0.5? The changes to reap the storm will hurt us in ST...
bitter kestrel
Colo ST is going up right? Then I'd think slayer wouldn't be played much
quiet bramble
Slayer is being played more now
nova marsh
Is mastery even good? Damn sim leaning toward it <:deadge:900279927138578432>
We don't hate any stats
And it's not terrible
quiet bramble
We don't hate any stats
Im feeling more haste and crit since i’m coverting from fury
fierce wharf
so wowhead doesn't have much regarding slayer and multi-target, what's the cut off for cleave? 2 or 3 targets (assuming M+). And I saw the mention about sycning w/ CS a few comments above, should I sync avatar w/ that as much as possible I'm assuming?
minor gust
Do you guys think the slayer m+ build will still be used in the 12.0.5? The chan...
Tbd but early Sims are looking fine
leaden garnet
Is mastery even good? Damn sim leaning toward it <:deadge:900279927138578432>
Better than Vers but not better than crit or haste. Obviously the more you have of any one stat the more valuable every other stat becomes. If you're extremely heavy on haste and crit then mastery can match them
Vers currently wants to be as low as possible, and being at literally zero is ideal
nova marsh
Tbd but early Sims are looking fine
Plus even with a release candiate they could buff slayer ST
minor gust
Yeah, there's a lot that can still happen so we'll see. But from what fish she has shared slayer's looking fine
nova marsh
How much of a loss is it actually
quiet bramble
Better than Vers but not better than crit or haste. Obviously the more you have ...
Ideal crit rate? 
minor gust
How much of a loss is it actually
I only know single Target Sims right now, but it's only like a 1% loss. Thanks to bladestorm buffs and slam applying deep wounds
nova marsh
Oh not bad not bad
Nothing really changes much for aoe I'd assume, since we always have SS up and we'll always be hitting another target
minor gust
Aoe is going to be down a little because no deep wounds on cleave but got a 20% plate so I'm buff so we'll see
quiet bramble
Looks like orc has the best slam animation? Downward slash which is how slam suppose to be?
minor gust
Holy speech to text was terrible there
nova marsh
oh so does slayer just loose aoe wounds?
minor gust
20% bladestorm buff
Yeah, there is no way to AOE apply wounds as Slayer Colossus has demolish at least
minor gust
I mean look at it this way. That's one less AOE talent
minor gust
And they can tune bleeds in a way to make Colossus bleeds. Feel really good and for bleeds to be impactful for single Target
pulsar frost
im starting to think the glvoes from seat doesnt exist
minor gust
The gloves are whatever. Just play the game and eventually you'll get them. Unless you have alleria neck then yeah you need them
minor gust
also, the talent point commitment to do any type of aoe damage outside of BS is ...
Yep, been a major arms problem since dragonflight
nova marsh
we've been saying this since dragonflight at the least
astral yarrow
df was serviceable as most of it felt coherent in some kind of way
sacred zodiac
just shoot warrior and redesign please
surely this time theyll get it right
astral yarrow
lets then kill off rage gen on everything
astral yarrow
surely this time theyll get it right
just give me some of the love mage or paladin gets man
actually, just let me have the paladin man to do it
whoever does warrior right now needs to not touch it further
minor gust
lets then kill off rage gen on everything
They kept hearing rage is cosmetic last two expansions so midnight they decided to kill rage gen all together.
sacred zodiac
idk i think its hilarious that the class that has one dps spec be played for one fight and then benched forever did not get buffs for the underperforming specs balance pass
astral yarrow
They kept hearing rage is cosmetic last two expansions so midnight they decided ...
and we found ways of using the cosmetic rage in s2, but pressing IP rotationally is kind of not it
but it was good
minor gust
That's the only way to do it for modern arms
boreal remnant
just give me some of the love mage or paladin gets man
I heard if you hand the class dev a death threat it works in your favor, seemed to have worked for the mages
astral yarrow
I heard if you hand the class dev a death threat it works in your favor, seemed ...
Xeos knows
minor gust
and we found ways of using the cosmetic rage in s2, but pressing IP rotationally...
Just overflow us with rage and give us a off gcd spender. Because arms design and rage is completely fucked. It can only be too much or too little.
astral yarrow
somewhat
wind hatch
I heard if you hand the class dev a death threat it works in your favor, seemed ...
see if you HAVE a class dev that works 🫠
quiet bramble
whoever does warrior right now needs to not touch it further
Must be AI taking joke feedbacks seriously
minor gust
Too much random bullshit to rage gen to make it consistent and balanced
boreal remnant
see if you HAVE a class dev that works 🫠
if they could read this they would be very sad
astral yarrow
give us some of the rage gains back on avatar, make the cost reduction thing on charge or whatever baseline and we have something to work with
minor gust
Pref they need to just do a full redesign to arms and our relationship with rage. But we know that will never happen
astral yarrow
straight up pulling vanguard and being rage starved in lust is fucking illegal
boreal remnant
but you do good damage at least
astral yarrow
let swing timer continue through demolish
minor things like that will go a long way
minor gust
Warming up needed to be reworked to that initiative talent we had in alpha
Attack speed on CS cast
Just like a 100% atk speed steroid on cs
astral yarrow
i am just not playing warrior this patch
even on fights where design lends itself to fury, tuning has it still fucking blow
i am pressing rend over raging blow
and how do we fix that problem as thane?
lets nerf the button we press instead
quiet bramble
Mid blow
astral yarrow
not a single logical though behind any of the shit changes they are doing
MS doing either 0 or a million
minor gust
i am pressing rend over raging blow
It's crazy how last tier RB went from spam the living hell out of this button to don't touch it with a 10ft pole
Even in the war within they did the same song and dance with Arms. Season 1 mortal strike sucks ass. Then they gigabuff it for season 2 and it's great and now it feels like in midnight we're repeating the same s hit
astral yarrow
getting giga nerfed because of fight design in nerubar
magic canopy
only sim 66k with buffs collo single target
astral yarrow
while no one is getting giga nerfed off fight design this time around
magic canopy
astral yarrow
👍
quiet bramble
Got crashed when lust
minor gust
only sim 66k with buffs collo single target
Sorry bub you gotta wait till 12.05 for giga fast demolish and DW on slam spam
fierce wharf
when using cleave in M+. is there a "minimum target threshold", feel crafting it it FEELS like 2 targets is okay, but just don't know how to prio. I'm playing slayer FWIW, I checked wowhead, but it explicitly doesn't mention a "minimum" just where it's at on the prio.
leaden garnet
when using cleave in M+. is there a "minimum target threshold", feel crafting it...
At 3 targets Cleave is your top priority (not counting CS/BS etc)
leaden ice
when using cleave in M+. is there a "minimum target threshold", feel crafting it...
At 2 just use sweepiong strikes and your ST Rotation
leaden garnet
At 2 targets, cast with three stacks of Collateral
fierce wharf
okay thanks
leaden ice
At 2 targets, cast with three stacks of Collateral
and yes, this
fierce wharf
and one other thing regarding syncing, it's talking about 10-15% of the CD is the sweet spot to wait, but should I always aim to line p avatar w/ CS?
leaden garnet
Also, having reviewed warcraftlogs and seeing how Arms is performing in keys... bros, are we about to get nerfed?
Arms is starting to feel strong and I'm scared
leaden ice
it won't allign always sadly, so sometimes you just keep sending it until it resyncs automatically
fierce wharf
it's honestly so fucking fun from the 2 keys I did.
fierce wharf
okay bet, just doing more keys/timing undertood.
leaden ice
99% of the times when I'm not sure to hold I regret holding them 😄
fierce wharf
thanks for the assist, so far w/ what I've played - arms has to be the most satisfying, beyblade and pray baby
last time I touched this spec was back in BFA w/ the giga haste from corruptions
minor gust
and one other thing regarding syncing, it's talking about 10-15% of the CD is th...
Slayer can just send ava on cd without Cs unless CS is almost up like sub 10-15 sec. Colo tho always hold ravager or ava for CS
fierce wharf
Slayer can just send ava on cd without Cs unless CS is almost up like sub 10-15 ...
okay gotcha, that makes sense too, I think I'm going to be sticking to slayer for keys, but wanna give col a good go at it
and with the incoming changes, col looks gnarly as fuck lol
leaden garnet
The colo changes help ST more than AoE
minor gust
Also, having reviewed warcraftlogs and seeing how Arms is performing in keys... ...
Blizz rarely tunes for M+ that shit is a minigame to them raid is always the prio. The only thing that can and should get nerfed about arms is cleave. And If Blizz isn't tarded they will follow the cleave nerf with ST buffs like last time.
fierce wharf
The colo changes help ST more than AoE
that's sort of why I'm doing slayer vs col atm, I prefer a more balanced damage profile where possible
leaden garnet
But I'm actually excited to play Colo prot because Revenge has no CD, so there's a realistic world where prot preses Demolish twice per trash pack
Or even three times??? What a world
fierce wharf
but col genuinely seems so sick, the lock of demolish can be big stinky, but it's such a satisfying press
leaden garnet
that's sort of why I'm doing slayer vs col atm, I prefer a more balanced damage ...
Play Slayer with a handful of high vaue AoE talents
fierce wharf
Play Slayer with a handful of high vaue AoE talents
I just ripped the M+ build from wowhead, I should prob check logs too, but I've not gone that deep yet
hit 90 4 hours ago, and hit 246 before playing my DH w/ the boys, so just waiting to get back on that fella
minor gust
The wowhead build for slayer is good. There's only one potential trade you could do and that's dropping ME for powerful sweep
fierce wharf
The wowhead build for slayer is good. There's only one potential trade you could...
is it a "feels" decision, or something moe gear or key related?
minor gust
Imo more key related. Powerful is nice for bosses you can get good SS value out of or if your doing mid to low keys you don't really get any value out of ME cuz you aren't getting that 2nd CS in the 35% hp range
fierce wharf
Imo more key related. Powerful is nice for bosses you can get good SS value out ...
understood & noted, thanks!
leaden garnet
Because it's based on mark procs
I just checked and I don't have Fatal Mark talented (M+ build), but BS CD is still being reduced by more than 5s
Do you get extra CDR if you're at max stacks of imminent demise?
nova marsh
I just checked and I don't have Fatal Mark talented (M+ build), but BS CD is sti...
Wrong mark
REad first slayer talent
leaden garnet
nova marsh
yeah
leaden garnet
So that Arms wouldn't have any GCDs to press?
leaden garnet
^^
nova marsh
You'd just afk even more often but now we probally don't have any rage issues
leaden garnet
At least we'd have plenty of GCDs to press IP
pastel stirrup
Give us more rage or higher vhance to reset MS
leaden garnet
:)
nova marsh
I'd rather just keep slam and give us more rage
pastel stirrup
Its such an akward button to press
nova marsh
I'm a retired raider
pastel stirrup
Its been lackluster for me im hovering around 8-12 spots on dps
whole kettle
261 ilvl and still wearing 3 blue pieces, rings literally don't exist. Are they a decent 2nd craft after weapon?
pastel stirrup
I'm a retired raider
Its been really good on m+ gotta say
Been running slayer instead of collosus
nova marsh
Yeah it looks great for keys
pastel stirrup
Yeah i can see that but outaide aoe it literally does nothing
smoky kayak
Out 4th set sucks ass tho outside aoe
it's actually still really good
whole kettle
A couple extra GCDs of 35% more dmg isn't that bad imo
especially with good tactitian procs and stuff
smoky kayak
especially in combination with the new Apex, and if you're running Slayer for extra MS from Unhinged
1s per MS doesn't sound like much, but assume you get at least 3, usually more like 5+ MS per Colossus Smash right?
- so imagine your 4p just says "Colossus Smash lasts 50% longer" you'd think that was a pretty dope bonus
minor gust
4pc owns so hard it begging for it to be a talent
mainly for funnel purposes but uh I do really like being able to extend CS while afk in BS
pastel stirrup
it's actually still really good
How can it be good outside of aoe when you need 3 targets for it to work? Maybe im misunderstanding?
sharp eagle
Mortal strike also extends the duration
smoky kayak
How can it be good outside of aoe when you need 3 targets for it to work? Maybe ...
read the second half of it
pastel stirrup
Mortal strike also extends the duration
oh wtf
smoky kayak
or rather the first half I guess
minor gust
reading hard for warrior players. More news at 11
pastel stirrup
reading hard for warrior players. More news at 11
zugzug
smoky kayak
with Mortal Strike or Cleave
wind hatch
**with Mortal Strike or Cleave**
that has been tripping up so many people lately lol
pastel stirrup
I think its just poorly worded to be honest
smoky kayak
yeah a little bit, but it's hard to write succinct tooltips that are also grammatically clear
minor ivy
I think its just poorly worded to be honest
yes, like many of their tooltips
minor ivy
yeah a little bit, but it's hard to write succinct tooltips that are also gramma...
but yea this
they do just need to do that stuff though
"Damaging a target affected by CS with MS, or cleave---"
would a comma not just fix it?
minor gust
Many people thought you had to somehow hit 3 targets with MS to get it to work
smoky kayak
but also to be fair, it's pretty obvious if you think about it for more than a few seconds
- mortal strike can't hit 3 targets period, so obviously it means with "Mortal strike
,or Cleave that hits 3+,"
the real issue is most people just don't read their tooltips at all lol, they give it a quick glance and never look again 
minor gust
real
smoky kayak
also should be pretty obvious they're not gonna make a 4p that only works in multitarget
Blizz does questionable things sometimes, but they're not dumb lol
fierce wharf
idkk man, UH DK tier 4p is bugged, doesn't give you a proc wheny ou get a free scourge strike
the dk's solution? cancel aura the buff
blizzard's? Make cancel auring impossible, with no fix LOL
it was unironically a dps increase, to cancel that free proc buff for them
minor ivy
Hey guys I just posted a log review if anyone has the time to help me out, would apreesh - will try to get back to ppl when possible, sick of being rejected to keys so will be healing on alt / doing easter stuff today
stable fiber
idkk man, UH DK tier 4p is bugged, doesn't give you a proc wheny ou get a free s...
wait dym
wdym
what is it not proccing
oh its not proccing horsemen
ic
ahh its not giving you strength but still procs horsies
fathom dagger
has arms pulled ahead of fury for raid?
near ice
if your raid has a bunch of padders, yeah
marsh needle
has arms pulled ahead of fury for raid?
depends on the fight
also a good arms warrior will probably just outperform someone just trying to play the best spec
amber nymph
What if I’m not a good arms warrior
nova marsh
Then become one
rare kite
has arms pulled ahead of fury for raid?
For heroic overall statistics sure but heroic doesn't really mean much and mythic sample size is still low
fathom dagger
makes sense
hollow wave
I'am not sure about demolish being more frequently, It will lose some of the feel of a high impact skill
But I guess is a wow trend turning every cd less then 30s
dire hinge
What if I’m not a good arms warrior
we're here to help! The community is really good about helping answer questions and prop each other up 🙂 we dont gatekeep here
lilac lava
What if I’m not a good arms warrior
every arms warrior is a good warrior
misty wind
Hi. As arms slayer in m+ Single target does MS have higher prio than SD Execute?
pastel stirrup
Sd execute will trigger reap the storm
So I say sd execute
And also lowers bladestorm cd
But im just a budding arms warr alot of people here will know more for sure
zealous sphinx
Just to make sure I got this right, I see on slayer AOE slam but more importantly heroic strike is not at all in the rotation, but the buff from it seems really good, it that normal?
rare kite
Hi. As arms slayer in m+ Single target does MS have higher prio than SD Execute...
Sd2>ms>sd1
misty wind
Just to make sure I got this right, I see on slayer AOE slam but more importantl...
Cleave does heroic strike against 3 targets.
manic bear
may I know which talent that reduce demolish CDs?
hearty pollen
For m+ slayer should I be keeping Cleave on CD regardless of anything else
manic bear
may I know which talent that reduce demolish CDs?
nvm I found out is anger management
rare kite
If only
dire hinge
may I know which talent that reduce demolish CDs?
Demolish is due to Colossal Might (built by Mortal Strike and Cleave)
Anger Management influences your CS and Avatar
rare kite
That would be so nice having demolish on AM instead of separate
dire hinge
have them actually line up 😭
manic bear
Demolish is due to Colossal Might (built by Mortal Strike and Cleave)
Anger Mana...
thanks😊
dire hinge
of course!
manic bear
hard to line up with war break >avatar and demolish
dire hinge
with arms, you want to hold all of your other cooldowns and send them with the next Colossus Smash
hushed pine
What if I’m not a good arms warrior
We must be better.
manic bear
usually I saw is WB>demolish or avatar with demolish
lean geode
@minor gust I gotta admit slarms in M+ actually feels pretty deece
minor gust
Another one converted
dire hinge
usually I saw is WB>demolish or avatar with demolish
It's only Demolish with Colossus Smash applied 
lean geode
Surely I can play thane on paladins and it's not inting too hard right
manic bear
It's only `Demolish with Colossus Smash applied` <:chefkiss:675091625088909332>
ok.
slayer build or colossus better? I like slayer more coz is easiler
dire hinge
for M+ you can play either one, it doesn't matter
lean geode
(play slayer)
dire hinge
for Raid, you play different ones based on the boss
manic bear
oic. I am still figure out how to land my CDs on raid
wind hatch
Another one converted
bro I might be converted too
I did some slarms keys today and it was sick
minor gust
Come my children enjoy the peak that is slarms
manic bear
do we press cleave when proc on single target?
rare kite
Surely I can play thane on paladins and it's not inting too hard right
It's less int than full aoe col on hc dragons forsure
dire hinge
oic. I am still figure out how to land my CDs on raid
something that helps visualize it a bit is Lorrgs.io. It shows you a visual breakdown of the top 50 logs for the boss/difficulty, and you can see when people are casting things.
https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/warrior-arms/imperator-averzian?difficulty=heroic
not perfect, but it's an interesting way to see data
manic bear
something that helps visualize it a bit is Lorrgs.io. It shows you a visual brea...
that will be a great help thanks again😊
hushed pine
Slayer has no jugg
Sometimes I forget we literally don't have Jugg anymore
No wonder Executes feel so meh sometimes
nova marsh
I wish they didn't do executioner and just buffed baseline exe
hushed pine
Because it's just a 3% increase
Goes up to 3 stacks
So it's not feeling as impactful
minor gust
bro I might be converted too
New PFP drop to help convert more to slayer
dire hinge
appropriate day to pick it, at least lol
lean geode
wind hatch
New PFP drop to help convert more to slayer
🙏
whole kettle
Is there a way to get sockets in crafted gear? Is it only from vault tokens?
Also it looks like you can embellish crafted weapon AND get an embelish on wrists? Is that new too?
dire hinge
you've been able to have 2 embelishments since the system was invented iirc
whole kettle
I always thought weapon embellish took both slots
dire hinge
nah, you'd put the Weapon on, then you'd make something that enhanced the weapon even further
was the Nerubian Doubler or something, litererally made the weapon twice as strong
whole kettle
ahhh I do recall that actually, now that you mention.... I gotta recraft some bracers. Bye money
zealous sphinx
Cleave does heroic strike against 3 targets.
I dont get heroic strike against 3 target
dire hinge
I dont get heroic strike against 3 target
you need to take the Fervor of Battle talent.
It'll automatically make Cleave cast Slam if you hit 3+ targets.
Slam = Heroic Strike, so it means your Cleave casts Heroic Strike.
dire hinge
no worries! Applies to sweeping strike too 🎉
zealous sphinx
thanks
elfin lily
hello, can you send me guys rotation for AoE and ST for arms slayer? I saw many rotations and they arę all different
dire hinge
the one on WoWhead is accurate 👍
just gotta pick which content you're doing, and which hero talents you're running
if you see something's off, just ask here and we can help too
elfin lily
just gotta pick which content you're doing, and which hero talents you're runnin...
so this one is good for ST?
dire hinge
if you're playing Slayer and in Single Target yes
elfin lily
I must have more trust for wowhead, thank you Hrothmar 🙂
latent moss
ig bro
scarlet cedar
I have a lot of keybinds set up but I'm actually running out of them for Arms.. Ravager, Colossus Smash, Avatar, Demolish, etc etc, shiiet
dire hinge
begone thot
limber valve
you were too slow i clicked on the link and already sent them $100
dire hinge
my larger plan worked then 
(im the bot)
scarlet cedar
are there any skills that can be combined in a macro for Arms?
dire hinge
I must have more trust for wowhead, thank you Hrothmar 🙂
It's all good, there's a lot of kind of confusing, niche circumstances (and strange talents) that interact in ways that can be easy to overthink. If you ever feel confused by something we're very helpful and can help outline why things work, or what to press in different cirumstaces
but the WoWhead guide probably has it right, if you just pipe in the situtation you're facing
dire hinge
are there any skills that can be combined in a macro for Arms?
you can, but i wouldn't recommend it. It's a slight DPS loss to do this for almost all of our spells. Your cooldowns will largely desync anyways, so you don't want to bind them together most of the time
keeping in mind that things like Heroic Strike are already macro'd into Slam by default, and how Cleave automatically casts Heroic Strike for you in AoE.
scarlet cedar
roger, thanks, just gotta make room then
scarlet cedar
keeping in mind that things like `Heroic Strike` are already macro'd into Slam b...
what talent is this?
nvm found it
dire hinge
For Cleave it's Fervor of Battle (explained [a few messages above](#arms message))
yeee
and the Heroic Strike/Slam thing is just baseline. They'll be listed differently on the rotation but it's just Slam in practice. One button for both
scarlet cedar
aye, cheers man, appreciate it - been nonstop fury but I want to learn arms
dire hinge
Bladestorm and Demolish can be put on the same button, since you won't use both on the same build
tardy cypress
How about avatar and cs?
Avatar is off gcd, right?
rare kite
yes but in some occations you want to save ava but send cs
dire hinge
Avatar is off the GCD, correct, but macroing them together is a slight DPS loss still, according to the number crunching
Yeah, if you're going into a small pack, but a MASSIVE pack (or boss) is up next, you dont wanna blow avatar on a tiny pack
hollow wave
I think Blizzard missed a big opportunity to make demolish a part combo of colossus smash
dire hinge
real
hollow wave
Because you know, colossus and colossus smash
dire hinge
who doesn't love a rooted, mob-aimed frontal square 
limber valve
i love squares personally
rare kite
who doesn't love a rooted, mob-aimed frontal square <:sad_cat:120214541789535849...
hopefully everyone coz with the changes we are gonna be using demo ALOT
dire hinge
lmao gonna be fitting 2 demos in between every CS
rare kite
yeah if no other changes the aoe is gonna be nuts
quaint otter
Looks like slayer turbo pumps
minor gust
scarlet cedar
Got a slayer turbo pump m+ build to send my way?
latent moss
Got a slayer turbo pump m+ build to send my way?
can drop stance mastery and resonating voicefor javelineer and crushing force
scarlet cedar
chad, thanks!
minor gust
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1490009529423757342/im...
You know I wonder about dropping BLord for powerful
warm plover
Guys whats the better build for more dps on low keys where mobs die so fast? 10s I mean, also any advanced m+ guide for both arms buil?
quaint otter
Guys whats the better build for more dps on low keys where mobs die so fast? 10s...
Try slayer
Less setup for burst
warm plover
Does the prio change on AOE for slayer? After BS cds opener should I spam Cleave?
minor gust
its the only thing preventing me from mental booming
Lmao fair enough.
minor gust
Does the prio change on AOE for slayer? After BS cds opener should I spam Cleave...
Spam cleaves before BS. But yeah aoe prio doesn't change between Colo and slayer besides SD being super high prio right after cleave unless you have 2 stacks of SD
latent moss
Try slayer
less setup ye but no burst
colo bursts pretty hard
both are pretty bad in low keys tho
imo
latent moss
Lmao fair enough.
did 92k on last boss algethar
i lowk dont understand slayer
didnt starve at all got perma sd in exe gg
pulsar frost
Spam cleaves before BS. But yeah aoe prio doesn't change between Colo and slayer...
Why cleave before BS?
torn rivet
i think it's for sd stacks
i think tho, don't take me for granted cuz im clueless too
pulsar frost
I've been cleaving after BS. Just cleaving 4 times before BS doesnt feel good imo
misty bison
Should be BS first to apply the dmg amp stacks imo
pulsar frost
I also cant go back to col after slayer. Brain just cant regain the memory of col 
torn rivet
but yeah, my guess is we spam cleaves before BS to get SD stacks to make BS stronger
pulsar frost
I just dont like thinking about the desync of cds from that
pulsar frost
It more or less works out most of the time tho. Can normally get another cs in before avatar and BS is baked up
Feels decently smooth to me
torn rivet
i often do CS and shortly after CS but before the CS+Ava window, I get another BS
so then I have to stagger the other two for ~15s or send them and bs shortly after
idk man, scuffed
latent moss
Why cleave before BS?
to put cleave on cd
torn rivet
besides im pretty sure for slayer, bladestorm is send always at 3 stacks, whether CS or not
latent moss
then u bs while cleave is on cd
torn rivet
maximizing damage
torn rivet
to put cleave on cd
thats actually very..fair lol
pulsar frost
Maybe im just small brain
torn rivet
cleave strong true
pulsar frost
It just sounds awful waiting that long to BS
torn rivet
im still a bit sad feels like our mortal strike still hits like piss
pulsar frost
Ms does indeed suck. Not too bad on slayer tho
torn rivet
ehhh
latent moss
does good dmg if it crits xdd
pulsar frost
Procs reap. So a bit more useful then col
torn rivet
does good dmg if it crits xdd
TRU lol
unique bridge
The thing where we have to overpower twice before MS is gone right?
torn rivet
The thing where we have to overpower twice before MS is gone right?
I think so. I usually just execute twice before MS in execute scenarios, but else send on proc
latent moss
i play without skyfury and from my feelycraft i found that keeping op2 on cd smoothens it out a bit
torn rivet
also did blizzard do anything to Arms' resource generation? we aren't starving at all on slayer but on colossus its so scuffed
pulsar frost
I think so. I usually just execute twice before MS in execute scenarios, but els...
Man this can be so rng. Sometimes MS just hits hard after 2 procs. Then sometimes it hits less then slam or a cleave on st smh
latent moss
nah bro im below 30 rage perma as slayer
torn rivet
yea when I see MS hitting 26k
latent moss
in execute
pulsar frost
also did blizzard do anything to Arms' resource generation? we aren't starving a...
Idk man im starving
torn rivet
it makes me want to shove a rod in my ass
latent moss
yea when I see MS hitting 26k
goat design
when i press 2 executes before ms
and it hits for 40k
pulsar frost
I cry inside when I see a slam crit 50k while ms does 26k
latent moss
unlucky just crit more
torn rivet
yea at this point i think maximum crit and 50-50 haste mast is the way to go
pulsar frost
I can only get so much crit. I mainly play and gear for fury
pulsar frost
My weapon has no crit
torn rivet
screw fury man
i mean, don't if you like it of course
but if you don't (fury makes me wanna stop playing wow), don't
pulsar frost
Idk. Arms in raid besides light sounds not fun at all
torn rivet
I did arms in raid just last night
im not gonna give logs bcuz im geared in poopoo
but i almost reached dps saturation according to sims and it was fine
pulsar frost
I dont mythic raid like that so no matter to me
torn rivet
wait we talking mythic?
torn rivet
my man
i aint ever seen mythic raiding with pugs
and I don't think I will. Maybe voidspire will be a first
pulsar frost
Well even more so. Guild doesnt really raid mythic like that till maybe later in the season
pulsar frost
Even more so. What can I do about it. Vault gave me myrh weapon. It has mastery verse
pulsar frost
It is what it is
torn rivet
damn
i mean, i think myth weap sims lower than crafted weap for arms
:D
for fury too probably
pulsar frost
Crafted was haste mastery due to gearing for fury
torn rivet
thats still okay
pulsar frost
But its fine. Arms isnt too bent on secondary stafs
pulsar frost
Like crit cake still popping off with his fury stats
torn rivet
ur not forced to follow the BiS list from wowhead or something
smoky kayak
i mean, i think myth weap sims lower than crafted weap for arms
myth weapon should win overall for Arms, but stats might influence it
torn rivet
sup arch
what I wanna say is, you can still do something decent like 800crit 600haste 600 mastery
pulsar frost
I'll sim tomorrow and see. But either way both weapons dont have crit on it
torn rivet
and it should work for fury too
pulsar frost
Wcyd
smoky kayak
the MFalls weapon in particular, despite being out of reach till prog is over, is very good for Arms due to being all haste
supple pasture
I gear as arms and play arms in most raid fights. Only switching to fury for Averzian, Dragons and the one in Dream rift.
Doing fine with that strat so far.
But only normal and HC. We don't do mythic
rare kite
arms st owns. first boss nexus(not the damage amp one)
pulsar frost
what I wanna say is, you can still do something decent like 800crit 600haste 600...
I mean with flask and oils. I get around like 1k crit. 800-900 haste and somewhere in the 400-800 ish mastery so its not THAT bad
smoky kayak
arms st owns. first boss nexus(not the damage amp one)
Slayer gang?
rare kite
yessir
torn rivet
I mean with flask and oils. I get around like 1k crit. 800-900 haste and somewhe...
yea its good I guess
:D
pulsar frost
yea its good I guess
Considering fury i have like above 1k mastery and like 800 or so haste its not bad off gearing lol
smoky kayak
I did a bunch of Slayer keys farming a ring today; hard to judge in pugs but felt like it did well overall
rare kite
yea i think so as well. also farming the ring, gotten the void ring 6 times but no light ring...
smoky kayak
I gear as arms and play arms in most raid fights. Only switching to fury for Ave...
Arms is actually quite good for Imperator on N/H too, since you don't need to drag the add away and can just sweep it down
pulsar frost
I need to farm pit since for some reason all our crit haste gear comes from it
pulsar frost
yea its good I guess
Reminds me i am missing haste crit rings so can probably be fixed more and still rocking champ neck since my hero one doesnt have crit so way more fixable
Am still pumping in keys so is all guccu
rare kite
imperator is also the first boss, really really does not matter what you play. if you enjoy arms more play arms
smoky kayak
yea i think so as well. also farming the ring, gotten the void ring 6 times but ...
I only have void, but that's the more important one (it's also good for Fury)
Light only really matters if you have Alleria neck
rare kite
i do
smoky kayak
do you have gloves?
rare kite
yes
smoky kayak
well look at mr fed
rare kite
normal neck tho
stable fiber
Might have to do some slayer keys
smoky kayak
it's fun
stable fiber
I feel like I'm playing it wrong in raid even though I'm playing it the exact same I did in season 2 tww when I was goated at it
Practice practice practice
latent moss
Might have to do some slayer keys
have skyfury
smoky kayak
I like Demo, but it can be hard to time w/ inconsistent tanks in pugs
smoky kayak
Slayer plays real smooth
rare kite
if u dont in exe prio op2 over all
you prio op2 over everything in exe?
latent moss
depends how much rage i have
smoky kayak
not over everything
smoky kayak
in single target key bosses prio MS > HS > SD > OP > Exe for rage efficiency
if you find yourself high on rage for some reason, then put Exe before OP
stable fiber
Big fan of this spec not being a spec without skyfury
latent moss
idk im just feelycrafting it cause i was mental booming yesterday all day
stable fiber
It's good
brittle rock
waaaaaaaaaaaaait a second
are we gonna get invited into pug M+ now?
latent moss
no
stable fiber
No
pulsar frost
No
smoky kayak
I acutally had no problem getting into keys 
stable fiber
People don't invite warriors unless you have a blue shield next to your name
smoky kayak
I mean I was just farming 10-11, but I had like a 1 in 5 apply/success rate
stable fiber
I wouldn't know I stopped pugging years ago
brittle rock
People don't invite warriors unless you have a blue shield next to your name
you mean this one?
I dont know what it means though
latent moss
and last season and every season before
rare kite
yes
smoky kayak
I'm only like 2.7k io lol, not bothering to push rn
stable fiber
you mean this one?
I dont know what it means though
Yeah that one
smoky kayak
though being 275 ilvl might have something to do with it
brittle rock
I'm only like 2.7k io lol, not bothering to push rn
just have a personal tank who's gonna drag you to 3k
pff easy
pulsar frost
People are weird eith what they want in pugs
brittle rock
i did it like that
stable fiber
They want perfect buffs, lust and brezzes in every dungeon
smoky kayak
just have a personal tank who's gonna drag you to 3k
pff easy
more that it's just not a priority for me right now
stable fiber
They get stuck up on brezzes for some reason not sure why
And it's like not important
brittle rock
more that it's just not a priority for me right now
was a joke actually, no offence ment
personally, i just like the white birb
30 rio left to get it
pulsar frost
I had no issues getting to 3k. Tho its getting annoying finishing my 14s. I should've pushed week 1 but wcyd
brittle rock
I had no issues getting to 3k. Tho its getting annoying finishing my 14s. I shou...
print money with herbalism
pulsar frost
Herb kinda dead. Cba
brittle rock
made almost 200k within 3 days
pulsar frost
I mean. Can just do clothes bolts every few days for 200k just making them. Which reminds me I should be doing mine but lazy
brittle rock
need a setup, but when it is ready, that's quite literally picking up money that's growing on bushes
pulsar frost
I did enough herbing and mining during EA
brittle rock
I mean. Can just do clothes bolts every few days for 200k just making them. Whic...
i understand that
pulsar frost
Not a much as others but enough for wha ti wanfed
latent moss
They get stuck up on brezzes for some reason not sure why
seems like im preparing dk for .5 gg
for m+
pulsar frost
Was even debating going healer spec smh
smoky kayak
seems like im preparing dk for .5 gg
Colossus changes are goated
stable fiber
I LOVEEEE dk
brittle rock
seems like im preparing dk for .5 gg
they gonna get nerfed (DK discord dont know what % it is, but all are sure that it will be a nerf) and 4 set bonus makes the aoe actively worse.
latent moss
doesnt matter spec is broken
brittle rock
i mean, literally, you have to use only 2x set
stable fiber
Spec is kinda shit
pulsar frost
Colossus changes are goated
Are they tho?
smoky kayak
Yes
latent moss
Colossus changes are goated
if it makes to. 5 and arms is op im playing it
brittle rock
doesnt matter spec is broken
its actually not, elem shamans do +- the same dps in overall. Less aoe but own bosses