arms

[minor gust]

both specs are doing good and its a case by case basis. I recommend just playing whats fun to you. No need to fixate on whats looking better.

[rare kite]

that is true. for now...

[minor gust]

until the time comes

[smoky kayak]

a lot of it is based on circumstance

[delicate obsidian]

shoutout frozenbozo, convinced me to slarms and never looked back

Firm handshakes all around

[quiet bramble]

Should i be BS instead of cleave during CS window?

[minor gust]

[shut token]

Alright, thank you for answering. That’s probably what I will do, weird that it breaks for some people and not others. I only have one addon and that is pvp tab target

[coral flame]

Wait we use Bladestorm not Ravager? I was following Wowhead guide

[delicate obsidian]

Bladestorm for SL, Ravager Colo

[quiet bramble]

BS for slarms, rava for colossarms

[coral flame]

so do we go SL in keys or Colossus

[delicate obsidian]

either or

colo is big time aoe, wet noodle boss dmg, SL is good aoe, better boss dmg

[minor gust]

Cleave on CD. After ava/CS send your 4 cleaves and any SD procs that you get if you don't have any ID stacks. Then BS while cleave is on CD. Thanks to the tier set you will have plenty of extra CS time to fit all that and a full BS

[delicate obsidian]

SL is more pug friendly imo, cause colo you hoping your tank doesnt just yoink ur mobs out of your demos half the time

[coral flame]

Is there a build for SL? I could not find it

for M+

[smoky kayak]

same place as every other build

[delicate obsidian]

there is on wowhead

[quiet bramble]

Oh huge

[coral flame]

but if 1 says it's best and the other is also viable it's cooked

Like I did not even know

@minor gust what do you use mostly?

[minor gust]

Both Colo and slayer are good right now. Try em both out and play what you like more. I personally have been playing a lot of slayer.

[coral flame]

I see, ty

[minor gust]

Some people love the more explosive large aoe of Colo. Some like the more smooth forgiving slayer and doing more boss dmg without relying on tanks to pull mobs onto boss for funnel.

[mortal rivet]

How’d he convince you of slarm vs colo?

[quiet bramble]

Tried it and loved it

[delicate obsidian]

slarm is nice

just feels good

i dont have a fixed group so, pugging with demo was just hoping tanks gigapulled packs

[rare kite]

prob told him he can press buttons without rage starving

[coral flame]

oh I think I like Slayer I'll try it out for sure

[quiet bramble]

Don’t think, try and see it for urself

[delicate obsidian]

doing tank level damage as colo feels bad

on bosses st

Actually had a brm out dps me i was like nope this aint it lmao. So it was either slarms do good or back to furyboi

[frail helm]

how would you rank slarm vs col and thane dmg in packs?

[rare kite]

col>slayer>thane

[minor gust]

[frail helm]

far out

coz thane is fkn pumping packs

[rare kite]

then for st thane>slayer>>col

[hushed pine]

Why are some people saying Slayer is bad

Is it because of the MfE change?

[minor gust]

I haven't seen anyone say that at all this week

[hushed pine]

That's what I'm thinking, like, what's wrong with it

[minor gust]

Nothing?

BS lasts 20 years and RNG can be funny but uh slayer has pretty chill gameplay.

[reef prairie]

People just don't like the rng

Going dry on sd procs just has you sitting there jerking

[random trout]

what enchant u guys using for M+ i read Acuity of the Ren'dorei?

[minor gust]

Then you get the opposite and proc out your mind and do as much AOE as colo

[reef prairie]

im personally just not a fan of arms in single target in general

[nova marsh]

Im just not a fan of colos st

[crude rapids]

Time to get some crit haste gear and have a rip at arms in raid

[smoky kayak]

pull trash onto bosses, never ST

[crude rapids]

Archi what is your opinion on best spec per boss? Mythic ofc

[smoky kayak]

overall? probably Devourer

[crude rapids]

Ok probs should of said warrior specs 😅

[smoky kayak]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?class=Warrior&spec=Melee

[coral flame]

Is this breakdown fine for M+?

[slow saddle]

Buff warrior st please

What i would like to hear :: weve seen collosus arms is eay behind slayer in st. And made sure to close the gap tp 3%

[wooden tide]

Does arms demo play generally the same as TWW

[dense sphinx]

you mean colossus

[quiet bramble]

Demo warlock?

[smoky kayak]

it actually is closing in 12.0.5

and I'm sure there will be more adjustments before that patch goes live, though I wouldn't expect Warriors to suddenly skyrocket to the top or anything

[wooden tide]

Yes, does it play the same

Demo= Demolish

[dense sphinx]

pretty much

[dense sphinx]

i wonder why they are so conservative with buffing our ST, doing it bit by bit like they are so afraid of overbuffing us when there is such a large gap before we go anywhere near top ST

[slow saddle]

I think some of it is reap///sweep//cleave

Also if we were tuned at just ret st

Arms and fury would fuuuuck, coz raid seems 2 carry us

[icy atlas]

I get the sense that Blizzard sees Warrior as a cleave class, giving us lower ST in turn

But idk, some specs are great at both

[dense sphinx]

yeah having an ST 'tax' because our cleave/aoe is great kinda doesnt fly in modern wow when a good number of specs are allowed to have both every season

[vast helm]

hope is good news

[tidal igloo]

do u hold demolish if u dont have 5 stacks when u hit collosus for ur next cs?

[wind hatch]

Getting demolish out during your cs window is the most important thing, regardless of stacks

So just send it before cs ends even if you can't reach 5 somehow

[balmy kindle]

finally got back to the game, is there any specifics on heroic strike usage ? wowhead doesnt seem to indicate anything in the rotation part

[tidal igloo]

alright, seems in aoe that 4 cleave>ms>demolish is good but not sure what to do in ST, getting there lol so thank you

[thick kelp]

press it when u can

[balmy kindle]

sike

[silver jasper]

Can slayer not proc reap the storm in ST at all in 12.0.5?

[manic bear]

I have only 2 pc tier set. which is the build slayer or collosus better?

[lament matrix]

Being at the top has its negatives. So, I personally rather be not even top 3, cause we are already known for overperforming- Arms warriors that is.

[leaden ice]

This made me actually giggle

[manic bear]

are you that streamer that no bull shit 1 min guide ?

[leaden ice]

but they‘re not 1min anymore, since the hero talent trees and the different playstyles

[manic bear]

oic I luv your video. I am trying to figure out which Arms build for raid and Mplus.

And your ui is awesome. any guide on your addons and UI?

[leaden ice]

thanks! I‘m lazy and just use AtrocityUI with a few personal tweaks. So I can‘t share that sadly, sorry

[weak wave]

https://www.wowhead.com/de/item=257751/gewichtete-sprenggeschosse#comments:id=6324119

Anyone knows what's this? Can't use it.

[lime owl]

how is arms doing nowadays in m+ compared to fury since the recent buffs? are they both equal in terms of overal dps?

[rough pewter]

yes arms is good

[halcyon valve]

Arms owns

[lunar acorn]

Is söayer a viable options now in keys

[rough pewter]

yes

[lunar acorn]

Great do you recommend a specific build or are the m+ talents for slayer from wowhead guide already the one everyone is using ?

[thick kelp]

wowhead one is the one

[lunar acorn]

cool

[lime owl]

my main struggle as an arms warrior are boss fights, i can keep up in trash pulls

but when we hit the boss :/

i play as colossus and when i go slayer i do less aoe and only a little more single target but maybe its just me being a noob 😄

[cobalt lodge]

currently leveling a druid alt. what is faster to level now, timewalking queues as healer or delves?

[night fern]

tw I think

[cobalt lodge]

think so too

[boreal remnant]

above in overall dps I'd say

[lime owl]

thats the feeling i'm also having

[frail helm]

I sent some keys as arms slayer. I'm definitely not the best at it, but I don't see how it beats out thane in aoe packs. Consistently 20k below on overall

maybe I make that up with better cd use

[sharp wyvern]

what key levels are you doing

[frail helm]

also the boss dmg is abysmal

[sharp wyvern]

on slayer ?

[frail helm]

those keys were 12

[boreal remnant]

probably some things to fix rotationally

would need to see a log to confirm

[wooden lava]

whoever is responsible for arms' colossus ST damage should be investigated

[sharp wyvern]

are 12 keys also at he point where things die too fast at this point ?

[wooden lava]

this is the WORST rotation ever

i want to claw my eyes out

[sharp wyvern]

honestly the pure ST colossus build is kinda fun

the aoe one where you cleave inside of rav sucks tho

[frail helm]

I mean what kind of overall are you guys pulling? I had 145k thane in a 15 MT last night

just don't know what is good for arms

or even if that number is good for fury LOL

[boreal remnant]

been playing warrior like nonstop since bfa and this is the first time I genuinely don't want to play this class

[weak wave]

lol what?

[earnest imp]

it there a way to macro so that a button only would press heroic strike if it was spammed?

lols this rotation is fine

bet you loved chucking ignore pain in your rotation you crazy boi

[drowsy fiber]

Arms rotation fine? Buddy dont think so

[wooden lava]

not having shaman, being rage starved, and having to do colossus single target rotation

idk man

doing literal tank dmg lmfao

[earnest imp]

go slayer then

[lime owl]

dont find slayer that much better in single target and is worse in aoe

but again, could be all me doing it wrong 😄

[leaden coral]

how can i simm the best way for arms ? for execute reasons ?

[cobalt lodge]

Slayer is also rage starved. I often have to charge weave during execute phase

[brisk frigate]

can someone explain why the most common stats for crafting two-hand weapon is haste/mastery?

we benefit from haste > crit > mastery right?

[lime owl]

on that topic i also have a question, do we have diminishing returns on crit/haste? a point were we better go mastery instead?

[stone scaffold]

Because most people where fury when they did there crafts

[brisk frigate]

so it's just a safe option to go haste/mastery so that you can change spec and benefit in both cases?

[leaden coral]

y cause we dont know also how to sim, is 2tg best

i simm a shit in confront of fury with best gear, and set my items for haste crit there is no improvements

[boreal remnant]

If you want to sim specifically for execute phase there is an option for execute patchwerk

[agile jewel]

ong it feels like arms is slapping in m+

[leaden coral]

y i know but there isnt an entire fight

[agile jewel]

im even doing well in ST

[leaden coral]

and simc told me that if i set my ch on crit haste deals lower dmg then hast mastery

[boreal remnant]

so what exactly is the question

if your sim is telling you haste mast is better then listen to your sim

[leaden coral]

nah cause i have all haste mastery gear, and all player shift into crit for arms

[boreal remnant]

could you link your sim?

[leaden coral]

just my sim doesnt work well

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7S1FBpTL9qU2Qjmq5tkgRQ

maybe idk how to set well this thing

[boreal remnant]

well you don't really have any relevant gear to swap between

you have like one high ilvl piece for each slot and primary stat is king in most cases

I'm not exactly sure what you were trying to do, but if you were trying to like swap which gem is used then there's a section below that where you can replace enchants/gems

but ye your current gear is just what's best for you

[leaden coral]

Ok, but dps is way lower than other arms warrior with way more crit than me, that’s the thing

[thick kelp]

ok

go sim droptimizers

and see what piecs r upgrades

[boreal remnant]

basically

you can't really tell what's going to be an upgrade for you based on what stats others are using

for some people crit might be better, for you maybe not

need to look at it as a whole picture

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eZVVaZ8gx9YQiaULNb7wYS

slight upgrade for you to recraft to crit/haste but just gotta do droptimizer

[leaden coral]

there is a huge misunderstanding in simc cause in the sim in patchwerk execute start at 20% of the target while in the truth the execute can be hitted from 35% of the target

and this is the biggest difference while a sim from arms to fury

then for my situation about stats im checking

[abstract sphinx]

guys quick question for ST slayer, if nothing is available except Cleave and Slam and the boss is above 35% HP we use slam right?

[sand totem]

Yes

[thick kelp]

that depends if you have massacre or not

in which case the sim automatically adjusts

to start executing at the proper %

[leaden coral]

if i have execute at 35 % simm still starting execute at 20

[thick kelp]

if u have massacre it will start executing at 35%

[lucid bough]

Noob Question regarding Demolish: All the guides I read say use it with 5 stacks during Colossus. But idk if I'm doing something wrong, but Colossus and Demolish are nowhere near aligned after like the first use. What should I do? I assume use it unless Colossus' CD is like 5s or less?

[leaden coral]

in 5mins patchwerk it start at 4 mins with execute, and in game, is different, then i do way more dmg target dummy from my self

[lone jay]

Morning - Just got back into the game and a fresh 90 (as prot) - wanted to try arms and was just curious how difficult is the rotation to get down? Last time I played Arms in general was in Legion

[olive topaz]

I would also like to know this

[thick kelp]

They should be pretty closely aligned if you are hitting cleave and MS asap

but if they dont

you wait for CS to be up before usin demo

[wooden lava]

why is battlelord so far out of the wya

I wish we could take it as part of our default build no matter what

feels like a waste that it's only taken on colossus and not slayer

[latent moss]

same

no blord just aint it

[wooden lava]

it's a good talent for making the spec feel good to play

idk how effective it is numbers wise

[sand totem]

i take it anyway so i can better extend Csmash

[wooden lava]

i'm surprised it's not taken

i'd imagine it has good synergy w/ our tier

[stuck yacht]

so arms now better for m+?

[thick kelp]

always was

[stuck yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-gif-10804346947536782797

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitty-kitten-evil-gif-10545349572153573100

[stoic siren]

In the upcoming patch notes, it says reap the storm chance to proc increasted to 20%, isn't that what it already is now in live?

[stuck yacht]

Y, only ptr

Slayer better for m+ y?

[stoic siren]

i think it is now but once that colossus buff happens idk anymore

if you can be shotgunning demolish, i mean its hella busted

[latent moss]

i could write a 5000 word rant on this topic from 18s and 17s i did as both

both are good

[wooden lava]

colossus st rotation in an 18

3-5 mins of straight ASS

[slow saddle]

I team place battlelord early in tree

[slow saddle]

Nah fam

If thats how we make up st

Shits gonna be wild🤣

3 target madness

[stoic siren]

so you saying its not gonna be busted?

[slow saddle]

Not in st

[stoic siren]

ah yea

but the aoe component is already pretty strong

[slow saddle]

Blizzard cant do msth though

[stoic siren]

like rightn now colossus aoe is way stonger and overall dmg profile in a dungeon is better than slayer i think

[stuck yacht]

anyone can share talent slayer m+?

[slow saddle]

Opposite

Slayer deffo has better profile in higher keys

More boss dmg

[stoic siren]

depends on the dungeon

[still fox]

mmmh i think i most dungeons for more prio dmg slayer way better

[stoic siren]

any dungeon with multi target bosses

i doubt it

[slow saddle]

And cleave dmg is pretty ok once u getmore time

[slow saddle]

Wjy

Where does col have advantage exept mass aoe

The bosses with 2 its still dlaher

Add in to 3 slayer still does a lot

[latent moss]

colo has more prio dmg

[delicate swallow]

I just started playing arms yesterday in mythics 10-12. Is the rotation in wow head for ST and MT correct? I felt like I was struggling on the boss fights.

[slow saddle]

If u col

U struggle

Such is life

Also with no skyfury... u deffo feel that a lot

[delicate swallow]

Thanks. I’m not at my pc atm but if I remember correctly wow heads mythics recommend col for mythics.

I will try out slayer

[thick kelp]

When will people understand ths

[slow saddle]

Explain why

[thick kelp]

cuz u can cleave more

[latent moss]

stronger funnel

[slow saddle]

By?

[latent moss]

way more cm generation = more demolish

no rage issues ever if there are 3 targets

[slow saddle]

But so far behind dmg on st // prio target

[thick kelp]

nop

[latent moss]

st is very different from prio target

slayer only wins at st

[slow saddle]

Prio target as slayer gets eps on ot often

[stoic siren]

whats eps and ot

[latent moss]

colo gets 200k heroic strikes

[slow saddle]

But 12.05 y collosus will be insane funnel

[latent moss]

i mean nothing will change

[thick kelp]

5T 3min sim

[latent moss]

we will have the same funnel we have now

[still fox]

sry my mistake i mean ST

[slow saddle]

More demos = more dmg?

[thick kelp]

3T 3min

[latent moss]

ye but the way the funnel works

is the same

u will funnel more in numbers ye

[thick kelp]

dps to main target = funnel/prio

[slow saddle]

There we go

[thick kelp]

8T 2min

Colo just does more

[slow saddle]

2t

[thick kelp]

unless there is a singular enemy

[latent moss]

still colo does more due to cm generation

[thick kelp]

2T 3min

[slow saddle]

To mt

But y slayer got cucked by the dreadnaught nerf

Was fair but still sad

[stuck yacht]

talents on wowhead good?

[stoic siren]

idk how often its updated tbh

[thick kelp]

yes

[tropic tiger]

I’m new to war can you explain the ways we funnel? Like why is cleave funneling

[slow saddle]

Read Fervor

important to read talents u have 🙂

[sand totem]

cleave hitting 3 targets casts slam at 150% effectiveness if you have fervor of battle talent

[latent moss]

fob + tierset + colossal might

[last saddle]

basically we just built different

[tropic tiger]

ahh right and capstone makes HS slam

[tropic tiger]

sorry for asking

[novel palm]

Does slayer gain st dmg from a target in execute to sweep from

[thick kelp]

yes

[wild plover]

Hey guys, do we press cleave on 2 Targets? We would want to sweep MS, no?

And Cleave at 3+ Targets?

[slow saddle]

nono its ok to ask

BUT this way now u remember it 🙂

[lime owl]

i now have a 276 hero maxed weapon, should i go for the crafted 285? would that make a big difference in my dps? or better spend my crests on another piece?

[granite coral]

Weapon is good investment in crests, probably the best

[flat willow]

weapon is almost always an easy choice but the answer remains putting your character on raidbot and simming the different crafts

[zenith warren]

fuck me I played thane so much recently that I forget to apply rend now kek

[rancid robin]

I'm going crzy, trying to queue. Why the fck people take fury instead of arms like wtf

[river ridge]

You're pugging as DPS. There's like 50+ applicants per key

[rancid robin]

Nah that's not the problem

why the fck TAKING A FURY

[flat willow]

well many reasons, fury deals more single target damage, comparable aoe

and it's almost immortal

[thick kelp]

"comparable aoe"

lol

[flat willow]

like I invited a few arms warrior and they almost always die to some dumb shit, not saying fury players are better

but they just don't die

that was a lie, I didn't invite the arms warrior, I just ended up in a group with them

lying is bad

[tawny stream]

List you own key

Works 100% of the time 60% of the time

[minor gust]

Nice I knew slayer wasn't that far behind on the prio/funnel dmg. Good to know

[slow saddle]

yes send weap

theres no downside

the mistake was maxxing a hero weap

[minor gust]

Let's see it and pin it

[latent moss]

4500 words on slayer and 500 words on ravager

[crisp mesa]

I've been playing slayer only.... 🙁

i guess ive been gimping myself so much

[latent moss]

slayer is good numbers wise in m+ i just hate how it plays

[fresh spire]

[minor gust]

It's just the RNG isn't it?

[latent moss]

ye

i can do 90k on a boss or 60k

[olive nest]

+1 slayer feel being bad

[minor gust]

You by no means aren't both specs are doing good in keys. You can very much play either of them

[latent moss]

its just mentally draining idk how else to put it

[minor gust]

I'm fine with rng cuz there's always an up side. Not fine with dealing with all the Colo downsides

[hushed pine]

Skyreach 6 as Slayer

[crisp mesa]

Yeah, it's been okay playing slayer. Managed to time +17 Maisara caverns with it but seeing how much behind it actually is.

[hushed pine]

Might try Slayer a few more keys again

[crisp mesa]

but key lvl parses been absolute dogshit so maybe slayer is the reason 😄

[latent moss]

nah both are good colo is just all dmg into aoe while slayer is more balanced

still does very good aoe

[minor gust]

It's behind in Sims in reality it's not that behind at all

[latent moss]

i dont mind the aoe i mind how awful st feels

i get 0 sd procs in execute

[minor gust]

Also key parses are dumb and not worth looking at ever

Fake af

[latent moss]

im just charging on cd

[quiet bramble]

Slarms the Blademaster wannabe

[olive nest]

charge weaving yucckk

[latent moss]

i dont mind charge weaving

[brazen sun]

is dreadnaught bugged or that dmg is shown with overpowered ?

[latent moss]

i mind never being above 40 rage

[minor gust]

Gonna charge weave less on slayer than you would Colo xD

[latent moss]

idk as colo i always do 55-60k

[minor gust]

Might genuinely be a shaman diff because I rarely ever rage starve in ST as slayer

[river ridge]

Shown with OP pretty sure. Another reason Blizzard's damage tracker is stinky

[minor gust]

Even doing execute rota

[olive nest]

shaman is a massive difference

[brazen sun]

or might be bugged who knows :'3

[latent moss]

it is a shaman diff

exe phase is 1k dps difference

compared to non exe

for me without skyfury

[hushed pine]

Dreadnaught damage is baked into Overpower

[latent moss]

simply due to the massive rage starving

sim rage on exe patchwerk is on 23 rage mean

[minor gust]

Gotta find yourself a blue boy

[flat willow]

to fix rage generation, I had a genius idea

make mages go oom if they don't have a druid in their key

[latent moss]

blacklisting arms rage gane from windfury

[river ridge]

Its just blizz damage meter being stinky.

[river ridge]

I am begging pls T-T

[flat willow]

how long would it take blizzard to fix mage's gameplay if they weren't allowed to play without a druid in their group

[olive nest]

whats the slayer build ill try it in pit right now

[lime owl]

i'm afraid you are right 🙁 but would you still craft it now?

[brazen sun]

@river ridge @hushed pine thanks guys ! . #blizzard stinky meters

[minor gust]

Just use the one on wowhead

[latent moss]

i take stance mastery but dont have to

its dps neutral

but u lose javelineer

[river ridge]

Javelineer my beloved ♥️

[latent moss]

idk i tried finding a way to take ct

but its just impossible

[olive nest]

very surprised at the drop of crushig force

for 3% crit dam

[latent moss]

its like

a bit more dps in aoe

bit less in st

[minor gust]

MS is whatever for slayer

[latent moss]

last time i simmed as colo

should play stance mastery always ngl

its so broken

[minor gust]

Bigsmile

[latent moss]

nothing else to drop

im afraid of simming no barbaric

powerful stats

[minor gust]

As slayer dropping barbaric might not be that bad considering a lot of the aoe is from reap not cleave itself

It's why you could probably drop ME for something else like powerful

[cedar cape]

what are the bis trinkets for arms m+?

[kindred breach]

guys does stance mastery work only with direct attacks? or also dots?

[reef glade]

ja cleave

[slow saddle]

yes yes

i mean thing is

if u craft

u spend Mythic crests. but if u get a weap in vault later u get the free crests

so maximum waste is like 40 mythic crests i think for now

which isnt to bad VS gettin myth track weapon tbh

Another Question what enchant is our best on ringies ?:D

[livid hull]

How are people playing arms in high keys? My arms sims are way worse than thane fury sims, no matter the target count

[reef glade]

cuz keys arent 1 to 1 with sims

[slow saddle]

ehm

also

[reef glade]

arms has like 90% capacity cooldowns every 20-30 seconds

[slow saddle]

Check Collosus arms

[reef glade]

fury is like every 50 seconds

[slow saddle]

5t 1m

c who slaps more 😄

add to 10 targets im pretty certain col destroys thane 🙂

[livid hull]

understandable, yet the sims shouldn't be 30% worse as in my case no?

[reef glade]

idk depends what youre simming

[livid hull]

Using critcakes arms slayer / colossus builds

[reef glade]

probably not tho

[livid hull]

1-5-10 target sims

[slow saddle]

i mean im super confused as to what u sim as well ?

theres no way

show em

[reef glade]

if ur also way more statted into fury then arms stats might tip needle in other way

arms is pretty heavy into crit haste and if u are like 1k mastery its prolly not ideal

[livid hull]

can you post links here?

[reef glade]

yea

of sims at least is fine

[livid hull]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4St2pGuSzqLHmDbTiqrZRu

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1Ssq9mNHDnAkQKSp1HPqBK

[reef glade]

not random shit most of the time xd

[hushed pine]

This is what you get as top DPS

[livid hull]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kyC8TP9ehLF79w7W6HgFXS

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qXttUJqtw7catzDezkuC1f

[reef glade]

yea would try simming as colossus

[olive nest]

@latent moss

[reef glade]

not sure slayer very epic

[olive nest]

not bad

[reef glade]

for arms

[slow saddle]

Slayer is pretty epic

[olive nest]

could have done more except i wasnt playing around sd reap procs on pull 1

[slow saddle]

for arms

[olive nest]

was used to colo lmao

[flat willow]

every time I see a blood dk I start sweating

and i'm not even the healer

[reef glade]

o yea arms i think also has a lot more significant 4set

than fury

[flat willow]

just seeing their health going to 10% every 5 seconds

[reef glade]

but yea ngl i dont think i see an iota of crit on your gear

so probably pretty decent portion as to why

[livid hull]

hm

[reef glade]

like 3 pieces have crit on it

[slow saddle]

Also 4p is pretty good for arms ngl

[reef glade]

yea

[slow saddle]

its decent for fury

but a lot less so

[latent moss]

2nd boss magisters 10 xdd

last boss

[reef glade]

dude

[olive nest]

yeah I cant lie

[reef glade]

i ripped like 200k 3rd boss magister 10

[olive nest]

I like the boss damage

[latent moss]

overall

[olive nest]

slayer boss damage is actually pretty cracked

I had funnel on first two bosses pit also

made life real good

[slow saddle]

❤️

i cant wait for 12.05

collosus time

or warrior dead in general who knows ❤️

[flat willow]

taking the bets right now

12.05 is like 1 month away?

[olive nest]

cant be that far idt

[flat willow]

or

[latent moss]

colo rips 300k there

[livid hull]

who likes colo

[reef glade]

i was colo silly

colossus does 200k there

[olive nest]

colo is just wicked

boat load of fun

[slow saddle]

I mean if colo could get just Acceptable

st

i could play it in pug

[livid hull]

what are arms stat weights?

[slow saddle]

but in pugs man. having bad boss dmg is rough

Robot tells u

but Crit - haste

[olive nest]

50-60k is acceptable.. have you seen pug dps on bosses? lmao

[slow saddle]

but u wont pull that in pugs, because no wft

and tank does janky shit

but it does not matter in minikeys ive plyed so far rly

[flat willow]

just find a death knight friend to do single target damage for you

and grab trashes on the boss if the tank refuses to

[left shard]

This is a ws run is my priority wrong?

just a 10 but i feel like im doing really low dmg

my gear currently

still on fury gear

well enchant wise

[sleek crow]

how the hell do you use execute without going bankrupting your rage

[flat willow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible

[sleek crow]

bruh

[thin grotto]

hey guys, do you use cleave on 2 targets?

*prio

[blissful bane]

Can slayer arms work on Paladins mythic?

[minor gust]

Our 4 set helps enable one of the best dmg profiles. Funnel

[reef glade]

F word mentioned

[dire hinge]

It can but Colussus does more so I’d recommend Colossus for it

[dire hinge]

Only during Ravager.
Arm’s 2 target rotation is just your Single Target + sweeping strikes active

[dire hinge]

It depends on how your tank is pulling and how/when you’re using cooldowns. If you had logs it would be easier to give feedback on things like your rotation. Your breakdown is in roughly the right order, but I can’t tell if you’re capitalizing on your buffs correctly at a glance

[left shard]

wait i try to find a log

[dire hinge]

Depends on the context (boss fight? Colossus? Slayer?) but just follow the WoWhead guide’s execute rotation.

You often want to prioritize OP if you’re under 90 rage and you don’t have 2x EP for your Mortal Strike yet

(And basically never use Execute in Colussus AoE)

[left shard]

ok sadly i dont have a log

[left shard]

can u tell me which buffs are the most important ?

[dire hinge]

It’s all good! Do one for a future run and toss it in #1347646810457636974 🙂

[left shard]

im using 10 stacks of collosal might for demolish

[blissful bane]

That's part of why I was asking the slayer question lol. Feels bad executing as col on paladins lol

[dire hinge]

It’s mostly utilizing Crushing Combo correctly, then always saving your other major CDs to use with CS

[left shard]

yeah im lining them up basically

[dire hinge]

I mean,… you do and don’t cleave still trucks on low hp 2-3 target

[left shard]

what about using sweeping strikes before pull?

[dire hinge]

You can audit mythic logs and see how often they’re casting execute

[blissful bane]

yea that's what I'm looking at now. Appreciate the answers!

[dire hinge]

No need, your CS gives you SS so you munch the stacks if you pre-cast it. Usually best to save SS to fill gaps between your CS casts

Of course!! Happy to help

[left shard]

i thought so too but i see people like biz or gucci pre casting it into a pull

prob cuz of ms or rend

[dire hinge]

Rend is already AoE 🙂

[left shard]

oh

mb

[dire hinge]

They reworked it this expansion, no worries!

[left shard]

yeah basically im using it to refresh but i feel like im doing less dmg than i schould and i dont know if its a mechanical error from me gear or tank issue

[dire hinge]

I gotta step away for things, but this chat is usually pretty helpful and folks can point you in the right direction 🥰

[left shard]

ye ty

[nimble yoke]

so I feel like I am doing criminally illegally low single target in colossus M+ build. is that normal?

I know it's always been bad but like it's really bad

[slow saddle]

Yes

Esp if a bit of bad rng

• no shaman

[nimble yoke]

why is shaman relevant?

for skyfury?

[hushed topaz]

Windfury good

[spring vale]

Scrolling thru my youtube and this guy is recommended I wonder where I've seen them

[sharp wyvern]

2 years ago where people had the attention span to watch a 10min long video

[nimble yoke]

love that the ST buffs really seemed to help

[olive nest]

@minor gust Thoughts on the ME point in CT to help with rage?

I guess 10% is almost nothing

[minor gust]

I haven't really played with CT also don't see the need. No point in going CT if you aren't playing massacre

Execute from 20% - 0 ain't a lot of time spent to go into more execute stuff. Solve rage issues by playing with a shaman

[sacred zodiac]

@dire hinge spherical

[thick kelp]

and at 3 collat!!

[wintry scroll]

why is the opener for arms in wowhead not showing the slayer version

[minor gust]

Cuz Archi didn't account for slayer being good

[wintry scroll]

do u use BS before spamming cleave or after

[dire hinge]

I gotta remake it for the new archon bullshit they launched (I heard it’s worse)

[minor gust]

All it is rend > ava/CS > cleave X4 > SD( if not max ID) BS

[thick kelp]

its dogwater, I used the beta and zZz

Could you also make a "how to sim topgear" guide since i feel that gets asked more here nowdays

[dire hinge]

People, understandably, keep leaving comments asking how to use it, and I’m like “I don’t know I refuse to upgrade” haha

[wintry scroll]

thanks

so i was doing smthing wrong

do u get a buff from pressing cleave first ?

[thick kelp]

no

[abstract lion]

Hi. Which heros should i run for M+ and raiding?

[thick kelp]

you just want it on cd

before you bs

[minor gust]

Just slightly more dmg to cleave over BS

[wintry scroll]

oke

[dire hinge]

Yeah I had one drafted up, I should finish it

[dire hinge]

It’s your Preference for M+
For raid it changes per-boss. You can open WarcraftLogs and filter to Arms Warriors, then pick each boss indidivually to see what people are running for each

[abstract lion]

Thanks. I ask because wowhead gave me bad info for fury.

[dire hinge]

The WoWhead guides are meant for season launch and there’s been like 15 buffs and nerfs since then

[abstract lion]

Warcraft logs give you most recent info?

[dire hinge]

Yeah WarcraftLogs is evergreen

It’s based on a 24 hour cycle, so it’s always up to date with what people are currently doing

[abstract lion]

Awesome. Thank you for the help

One more question. Any guidance on macros? I

I macro'd recklessness and avatar with fury

[thick kelp]

0 macros

[reef glade]

does the colossus cdr buff thing mean u get 20 seconds of cdr if a swept mortal strike crits both times

[thick kelp]

yeah

[reef glade]

Surely you slam an exhil blows if that talent still exists

[thick kelp]

dont exist

[reef glade]

sad

[quiet bramble]

dafuq this designs only for 3+ targets fight

[minor gust]

12.05 demolish is like just get 10 stacks and bam 1 SS MS and it's off cd

[minor gust]

Read it again the 3+ is only for cleave you goof

[quiet bramble]

oh wait

aight forgot about MS

why did i only look at cleave

[remote talon]

it's still really weird how blizzard was like "we want arms to be the best at 2 target" and then put a bunch of talents in that make it way better at 3 target than 2 target

[quiet bramble]

can sweeping strikes get another line that increase ST dmg

[minor gust]

I mean arms still is very good at 2T. The 3 target stuff is to try and keep cleave from being even more degenerate than it already is

[rare burrow]

guys will any body already upgrade tirr lists on wow head? i am ashamed of playing arms while it is at bottom

[spring vale]

tier lists are a big meme

[rare burrow]

it is not

u will never get invited as arms in high keys

[nimble yoke]

mb if this info is available anywhere, but how big is our tier set in m+? for colossus

[elfin kindle]

Realistically, how many ravagers do line up with avatar in a key? Or do u hold it most od the time?

[magic canopy]

It's Ms OR 3 tar

[thick kelp]

You line ravagers up with your cs

if avatar is there its just a bonus

[olive nest]

press any cd button as long as its with cs

ez mode

[magic canopy]

Ravager DIE

Rend DIE

[sharp wyvern]

you dont like red whirlwind?

[olive nest]

Rend just doesnt fit into the rotation

so goofy

[minor gust]

Too bad it's Iconic!

[olive nest]

the sim shows 7 casts over 5 minutes

thats not even maintaining it

its just goofy

atleast in aoe you use it

for the rage gen

[minor gust]

They just refuse to give rend any real interactions with the kit for both arms and fury

Bring taste for blood back for arms for more op procd

[olive nest]

should just have one bleed instead of two and it should be passive

and yeah sure rend proccing resets sounds cool

[sharp wyvern]

hear me out
how about they make our mastery rend

[paper gulch]

And tie it to all attacks applying it

[olive nest]

mortal strike applys your one big bleed (rend) and mastery makes your execute amp it, sudden death procs double the amp

[sharp wyvern]

and make every attack stack it to do more dmg and if you ever let it drop you have to start from scratch losing 5% of total dmg throughout the fight

this is warrior design at its finest

[ionic mica]

Can it be called deep rend?

[minor gust]

We do indeed like going back in circles

[sharp wyvern]

its gonna be called rendnaut

[ionic mica]

Good choice, -60% damage as punishment

[nimble yoke]

when would I want to use puzzle box in a pack in m+? just right after charge?

[vapid spire]

Blizzard trying so hard to make wow into some kind of esport

[sharp wyvern]

how do nerfs mean they are trying to make it an esport

[limber valve]

idk some people will use anything mildly related to try push their narrative

[nova marsh]

Dunno why this proves that

But like

You could've used a million other things to prove this

Like the fact that the MDI exists

[dapper sage]

do we tab to apply rend in aoe now or is it not important in aoe?

[nova marsh]

Rend is aoe

[dapper sage]

so thunderclap is still taken for mplus then i assume

[dense sphinx]

no

rend is aoe

read it

[nova marsh]

We do not take Tclap because rend itself applies itself in an aoe

[dapper sage]

well ill be damned

[nova marsh]

Yeah that's why the animation changed

If you didn't notice

[dapper sage]

i didnt notice it at all till u just said that 😛

[nova marsh]

It's okay, it's kinda hard to miss

But ye rend is fully aoe now, no extra keybinds required

[mellow seal]

why does arms have so many buttons

for 0 reason

[vapid spire]

mdi ?

[sharp wyvern]

its the esport competition on tournament servers

[vapid spire]

Every season for the last 3 xpack they've overbuffed bosses to make it last at least 2 weeks

[nova marsh]

And that makes wow an esport?

[sharp wyvern]

and its actually backed by blizz not like the RWF

[nova marsh]

Because the RWF is overtuned to fuck to give this sweaty degens a challenge?

[sharp wyvern]

because if a raid gets cleared in 1 day all the people not raiding mythic are gonna think its too easy

[vapid spire]

They buffed lura hp by 50% before opening March

[nova marsh]

I mean also march is just blizzard being actually high as shit with tuning

That fight looks like a genuine nightmare

[vapid spire]

What tuning ? they dont test anything

[sharp wyvern]

the ilvl increase on birb was the tell that they panicked and overbuffed things

cause appearently they didnt know mythic splits would be a thing

[nova marsh]

Well to be fair

they weren't expecting 4 days of mythic splits

[sharp wyvern]

you are seeing the real testing right now in RWF

[nova marsh]

literally noone was

Not even the RWF teams were expecting alleria to just crumble like that

Tbh I miss when the rwf was a bit more lowkey

[tiny sable]

but why

its fun 2nd monitor entertainment

[sharp wyvern]

i remember when the last legion raid died in 1 week and everyone said it was too easy when there wasnt even a video of the lat mythic boss

good times

[nova marsh]

Because the drama is exhausting

Literally runs in circles

[nova marsh]

To be fair EN fell in like what 3 days

[sharp wyvern]

idk about the drama i just like that the information on bosses and strategies are public now

[nova marsh]

That was even more fucked

Okay thats true

If your mythic raiding the race must be a great way to get peaks into what youre gonna be doing

[sharp wyvern]

especially if your not a top 200 guild

[wind hatch]

18 hours

lol

[nova marsh]

Wait what the hell

[sharp wyvern]

emerald nightmare was not a real raid

[nova marsh]

God damn that was faster then I thought

Or like when all the wrath raids were also cleared in 24 hours

[sharp wyvern]

back then there wasnt a reason to make the race last longer

now it gives blizz more exposure

so they are incentiviced to make it longer

[vast helm]

can ToM save arms?

[minor gust]

They make it longer just to appease the babies who don't even raid who cry it's too easy and call it a joke

[nova marsh]

Mo

No no no

Kill that leave it dead

[minor gust]

Avg mythic guild will still take months to prog

[sharp wyvern]

we hate tom he is banned now

[proven veldt]

why does rend drop out of the priority during execute?

[nova marsh]

All my homies hate ToM

[nova marsh]

Read bloodletting

[sharp wyvern]

MS applies it with a talent below 35%

[proven veldt]

ah yes thank you

I am illiterate

[nova marsh]

As warrior mains should be

[sharp wyvern]

its ok we dont read talents either

we just know what they do

[proven veldt]

haven't spec'd arms yet this expansion just setting it up

[nova marsh]

OH yeah also

Evreyone massively overblew how bad leveling as arms is

This shit is smoothe as fuck compared to rogue and dk

Both of those were kinda miserable

[sharp wyvern]

arms leveling might be better cause MS hits hard without needing to be enraged

[nova marsh]

Yeah ms dosent need help you just do damage

[sharp wyvern]

same reason arms is better for open world content cause you can basically oneshot things with MS

[nova marsh]

And you can pull big if you want with demo

Holy fuck I forgot what it was like to play a normal spec

[sharp wyvern]

you playing DK ?

[nova marsh]

I dropped dk cuz i hate it

Im on rogue leveling up warrior to switch between both

[sharp wyvern]

i only like 2h frost cause its feels like what arms should be

[nova marsh]

I like KMs design

I hate the damage profile

Like legit

It just feels so bad doing absoutlely nothing outside of cds

Or having the survability of a wet tissue paper on rogue

[ionic mica]

Before probably so you are safe

You would want to line up all your CDs and then puzzle and send it all

[open mesa]

Is arms 2 target just the same priority as single target but with sweeping strikes?

[minor gust]

If you don't have cleave and collat talented yes its the same

[rose ibex]

DK looks fun. Numbers arent great of frost but it got a nice glow up visually

Ive always liked the 2h oblit build that didnt bother with breath

[nova marsh]

If you dont mind the profile i think its aight

And breath dosent exist anymore

Because its just sustained by your basic rota

[rose ibex]

I understand they streamlined things a lot. My buddy tells me they overpruned it

[nova marsh]

Udk probs

Cuz holy that spec is basically edgy ret

Frost ...I have no idea

[rose ibex]

Nothing wrong with that

My biggest issue with DK was always its sound design

[nova marsh]

Yeah thats not fixed

Scourage strike is the only one I really like

[rose ibex]

The hits never felt like hits. Just icy noises and squishy sounds

[nova marsh]

I dont complain about sfx much

But yeah obli is weak

[rose ibex]

The gameplay is good in any case

Unholy looks really cool with all the minions

[nova marsh]

Im just not a fan of classes that have nothing outside of cds

Granted for frost thats partly tuning

[rose ibex]

Thats most all classes

[nova marsh]

Eh

Classes like arms or outlaw feel reasonable without cds

Fury too, ret last i played it

[rose ibex]

Frost always had a bunch of short cooldowns that kinda overlapped. Not sure what they are like now

[nova marsh]

Frost is basically

Strong 45 second and even better minute and a half

But nothing outside of that

Udk is great damage evrey minute and a half

[rose ibex]

I was levelling my rogue yesterday trying out assassination. That spec is pretty chill but it feels like they pretty much rely on spreading dots for aoe and all their cooldowns are single target focused

Which is weeeeird

[nova marsh]

I....dont like dot specs

So I never tried assa

Sub is nice for turning my brain off

[rose ibex]

I remember the 7m cooldown army of the dead cd with aug support that destroyed the meters

[nova marsh]

....wait it was 7 minutes

I thought it was 3

[rose ibex]

It might have been 10

They had an enormous cooldown that was extremely powerful

It didnt need it to pump but they just had it anyways

[nova marsh]

Im a weirdo who likes flatter profiles

Not like

....arms df s3 flat

But not stupid spikey like dk is.

[rose ibex]

Try boomie

Its pretty flat

Or its more of a curve up and curve down sorta thing

[nova marsh]

Might be the one caster i play

[sacred summit]

we mostly take slayer in raid and collo in m+ right

[rose ibex]

Its very simple and the spec is very much about resource management

[nova marsh]

Yes but slayer is good in m+ too

[rose ibex]

You dot things, pool to about 75% astral power, activate eclipse and dump

[sacred summit]

how do u know what to take when?

collo is untargetcapped and slayer is tho right

[mystic summit]

quick question for m+. hold demo for cs or just send demo on cooldown?

for st

[rose ibex]

Dump 3 spenders to get starlord haste buff to max then build and spend maintaining 75% astral power so you can dump in your next eclipse

Its less flat and more like a rolling wave

[manic river]

Oh it is also good now?

Is it more about preference or there is one with clear advantage?

[rose ibex]

Colossus has more burst i think but slayer has a flatter profile. In the end, they have about the same dungeon dps

[mystic summit]

slayer prob better for the 360 aoe if u arent good at aiming frontals

[sacred summit]

wait its actually more even? lol

[rose ibex]

Frontal still important with slayer

[olive nest]

@minor gust Alright I'm sold, slayer M+ is really good

[manic river]

and I guess slayer does a bit better on singlet

[sacred summit]

i thought slayer was capped at 5/reduced damage beyond 5 or 8 or smth no?

[rose ibex]

Reap procs are important to aim well

[sacred summit]

but colossus isnt

[rose ibex]

Reap the storm is a massive part of your damage as slayer

[sacred summit]

isnt it just aoe around u? is it a frontal cone

[mystic summit]

isnt reap reduced beyond 8 or is it 5

[rose ibex]

Pretty sure its a cone

[manic river]

weird, the animation is like a ww attack

[sacred summit]

idk but i thought it did have a reduction so i thought colo would be better in keys

[mystic summit]

its 8 just checked

[minor gust]

Another one converted

Keep em coming boys praise me more grow my power until my name becomes yellow

[olive nest]

wowhead M+ but swapped into longer shout duration and stance mastery

also play around with powerful momentum in some dungeons

[rose ibex]

Hopefully they dont leave the spec in the dust after 12.0.5

[sacred summit]

are we like useless without shammies tho

[olive nest]

enjoy it while you can

prob donzo in .5

[rose ibex]

Yeah thats my take too

[olive nest]

reap procs carry the aoe big time

[rose ibex]

It be what it be

[olive nest]

itll be dogshit without that

[minor gust]

Nah it's fine Fishy was doing the Sims yesterday. Slayer is big chillin

Only loses like 1.1% ST for the loss of reap

[sacred summit]

frozen do u take slayer into everything in m+ and raid?

[minor gust]

Slam deep wounds and BS buff carries hard

[rose ibex]

Thats good

[olive nest]

[rose ibex]

Bs buff still going through then?

[nova marsh]

BTW question

[minor gust]

I'll play Colo in raid if it's good on a boss but M+ really just playing slayer mostly because I'm tired of Colo in keys played it all last expansion cuz slayer was ass

[rose ibex]

Man it gets hard to keep track of all the changes. Wish we could see the whole shabang consolidated with all changes

[minor gust]

Now it's not ass

[nova marsh]

Does the ms buff from demo feel a bit short to anyone rlse?

Its probably just open world being open world

[wet scroll]

Any reason why this guy plays slayer build in m+? Is it better?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adS4U562wUE

[olive nest]

has aoe every pack and does like 30% more boss damage

or more

[rose ibex]

Never left

[olive nest]

xD

[thick kelp]

30%

lol

lmao

closer to like 6

[wet scroll]

Ok so slayer is better then? Is that what I should learn with then?

[olive nest]

sounds good

propaganda spreading

[rose ibex]

Both good

[minor gust]

Both are good in keys play what's more fun to you

[wet scroll]

Whats better Im a min maxer lol my main is 3700 last season

[stable socket]

colossus

unfortunately

[sacred summit]

oh i see
does it really just come down to preference or is there a damage difference

lmao everyone asking the same question with the propagana spread

[wet scroll]

Has anyone ran the sims or the numbers?

[thick kelp]

Yeah

you can scroll up like 6 hours

[minor gust]

Depends what you want and if you do keys mostly pugging or premade group keys. Colo will net a higher overall and benefits from funnel/prio more

[thick kelp]

Colossus is better if the fight has 2 or more targets

[minor gust]

Both specs are very good right now

[wet scroll]

Pure single target in m+ builds how far ahead is slayer

[thick kelp]

somewhere between 6-10

%

but from earlier

[wet scroll]

Perfect thats what I needed

I mean 6-10% more in single target is not worth the sacrifice of the dmg you gonna lose in 2t or above it seems

[olive nest]

can do omega aoe with colo

[sacred summit]

omege aoe 0_o

lol

colo is harder to play tho right? i think i read someone say that in here yesterday

[quaint otter]

Omegalul aoe

[olive nest]

demolish goes dummy

[minor gust]

Reality ends up playing differently than sims

It's why slayer feels just as good when just looking at Sims makes you think otherwise

[thick kelp]

Yeah

[rose ibex]

Colo is more measured where slayer has a lot more procs

[thick kelp]

Slayer ST and AOE lives and dies with your SD procs

Colossus just has 90% of its damage for each pack/boss

[sacred summit]

i can see a flatter dmg profile being better in pugs
but if tank pulls mobs into boss for funnel....

[thick kelp]

regardless of what happened previously

[rose ibex]

They are both fun and good in dungeon. I swap back and forth between them all the time

[sacred summit]

wait how i thought colo was more spiky and slayer was more flat how does colo have dmg for each pack

are the cds that short

[thick kelp]

yeah

[minor gust]

Colo isn't really spikey

It still has great consistent dmg

[thick kelp]

you just walk into every pack with cs and demo

• extras

[minor gust]

Cleave CS demo every 30 sec

[rose ibex]

You have cs and avatar which get reduced by rage spent. Whenever ravager is up your basic combo gets supercharged

[thick kelp]

yeah avatar is down to 50'ish seconds now

[rose ibex]

Slayer also has cs and avatar, but you are also slamming SD procs to hit things in a cone and reduce bladestorm cd

[minor gust]

360 not a cone

[rose ibex]

Reap is 360? Badass

This whole time I never knew

[lone raft]

slayer u gotta have good prio rotation mgmt

I tried it yesterday in a dungeon and my dps was a little less but also was fucking up

you make the difference in ST on bosses especially

mad fun spec

[lethal acorn]

I like Clarms for high keys because you're tankier

[lone raft]

the prio is always sudden death right

[sacred summit]

clarms

[rose ibex]

Clarms and Slarms

[sacred summit]

lol

[minor gust]

When both are good play what's more fun to you. More you get into something the better you will play

[rose ibex]

I love that

[sacred summit]

real

[lethal acorn]

I don't know why people don't call it Clarms

So much easier to type

[lone raft]

colo

[rose ibex]

There is real value in that both specs are viable and effective

Both specs are fun

[lethal acorn]

Colo could mean prot tho

[lone raft]

2 less letters

not in the arms channel

unless ur ree tee

[lethal acorn]

[rose ibex]

Clarms and Slarms

[lone raft]

then u belong in prot

[lethal acorn]

Clarms and Slarms is smooth tho

[lone raft]

sarms are like steroids lul

[sacred summit]

was it the march 31 changes that made arms finally good

[minor gust]

You guys able to do any aoe Sims yet for 12.05? Ik Fishy was doing ST yesterday

[rose ibex]

It was doing good dungeon dps after the aura buff

Its single target is where it is struggling

[thick kelp]

yes-ish

its looking horrible for fury

[lethal acorn]

Good...

[thick kelp]

Slarms ends up losing around 6%? due to mortal wounds change to slam

[rose ibex]

6% aoe?

[thick kelp]

ST

[finite spire]

is the M+ Slayer Arms build the recommended one now?

[rose ibex]

Hurm

[lethal acorn]

Your healers will thank you for playing Colossus in keys

[sacred summit]

lol why

[minor gust]

? Fishy was saying it was only a 1.1% loss in ST unless things changed between then and now

[sacred summit]

oh i see

[lethal acorn]

Slayer is squishier

[lone raft]

5% more hp

and 5% dr?

it’s one of the hero talents mountain of muscles and scars

not on the game rn

[safe island]

is slayer arms good in raid?

[lethal acorn]

and veteran vitality too

[safe island]

m+ is quite nice

[sacred summit]

that was quite early on in the season then

[lethal acorn]

Also demolish itself gives dr too

[lone raft]

yea colo is tanky boi

[lethal acorn]

Not just during the cast but on any targets you hit with it

[safe island]

colo arms way too hard to me

[lone raft]

question for ignore pain, the increase is each subsequent use what does that mean

so from 41k it goes to 50k etc

each time in combat?

[lethal acorn]

You get Frontal Fatigue™ is the downside to Clarms

[lone raft]

what does frontal fatigue mean ur gay??

[minor gust]

Both are good play what's more fun

[lethal acorn]

You ever heard of the movie Coneheads?

That's Colossus

[lone raft]

yea

[sacred summit]

why? havent tried it yet lol

[lethal acorn]

Lining up CD's and positioning are the hardest parts about Clarms

[copper swan]

which one has less buttons to press ?

[lethal acorn]

Slayers difficulty is more about button prio

[safe island]

just start with slayer arms first

[lone raft]

colo is easier for me in my opinion

[minor gust]

Slayer is both much easier and less buttons

[lone raft]

you just have two windows for colo arms, a CS into demo every 30/40 seconds

[copper swan]

oh nice

[granite coral]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[lone raft]

and then every minute or so u have a full send with ravager, avatar and then cs and demolish

spamming cleave

[copper swan]

when do we spend the heroic slams ?

[lone raft]

whenever they are up

afaik they take prio because they increase all ur damage by 3% ignore armor

[safe island]

Sweeping Strikes and Rend, these are real disaster to me

[lone raft]

u just apply rend before every pack

this is also my issue I forget to rend

after it expires but you need to move it to #1 spot on ur cd manager

and then in cd manager set an audio alert for when SS expires

[copper swan]

i'd like rend to become whole passive at this point, applying it with cleav, ww or tc, it feels odd to click it

[lone raft]

so whenever my ss is removed it makes a guitar note so I’m psychological pavlov the dog training myself

[safe island]

SS auido alert has bug i think

[lone raft]

mine is working fine after 10+ tests

gotta just reload or restart