arms

[minor gust]

It's prob most of our funnel strength

• fob

[fresh spire]

its like a 15% tier set or some shit, its going to hurt losing it, hurting slayer with unhinged more so

[latent moss]

nah

i dont think its most of our funnel

[chilly island]

What is the actual gain from the Apex talents in AoE?

[latent moss]

for slayer maybe

a lot idk exactly

[fresh spire]

i dunno having a 35% amp up on your main target for extended periods is nuts

[steep osprey]

Yeah but we're going to get a similar % next tier anyway

[fresh spire]

cope

[minor gust]

Idk exactly either but it's what let's our CS have almost 100% uptome

So I feel like it's a lot of our funnel power

[fresh spire]

think most of last expansion arms and fury sets was like 7% and below

[latent moss]

man i need guidon

[fresh spire]

only S3 fury had an actual tier and arms had a giga one too

[latent moss]

arms still has s3 tier kinda

xdd

[fresh spire]

s3 colossus set started at like 21% or somet shit remember

[latent moss]

just 230445093 times weaker

cut to the bone

15%

[smoky kayak]

not necessarily; Arms's tier is very out of scope'

we'll have to wait and see what they do, but 12.1 is still a long ways off anyway

[minor gust]

Start planting the seed to your contact to make 4pc a talent

[latent moss]

i hope it does make its way into the spec

[fresh spire]

ok so if we dont have deep wounds

its worth to slam > execute

[smoky kayak]

saw that one coming lol

[latent moss]

holy thank god

really good changes i cant lie

[fresh spire]

need to check how it reacts to CT

15 execute lines incoming again sorry not sorry

[latent moss]

gg

[thick kelp]

one line per execute talent to check if execute is worth pressing at what point

[latent moss]

sarri apl ahh

[fresh spire]

Walhe

its turning out exactly how i said in dms

with that prio 😄

[minor gust]

[fresh spire]

👀

still worth to execute when rage capping but other wise slam jam

[latent moss]

honestly

healthy prio

exe as rage dump

is good

[fresh spire]

current bis st for colossus

[minor gust]

Which still won't be often

[fresh spire]

How it ends up in .5

[minor gust]

Cuz rage lol

[latent moss]

im very happy cause im prolly not playing with skyfury all of this sesaon

[latent moss]

can u check 3t dmg to prio

should be 170k+

[smoky kayak]

yeah, Shaman are basically an endangered species, can't remember the last time I saw one out in the wild

[nova marsh]

...they are?

I get so many in keys

[warm fog]

Resto still feels pretty popular

[smoky kayak]

idk, they are for me

maybe they're just avoiding me so I won't play Arms

[steep osprey]

Just wait until they buff execute

[minor gust]

No they avoid you because of stinky fury.

[lone raft]

bismallah

can we get the tldr changes upcoming for my smooth brain

[minor gust]

Positive

[smoky kayak]

considering how bad shaman is, they're probably sniffing their own upper lip

though I've been forced into tanking keys lately, and that definitely stinks!

[minor gust]

My buddy I do keys with plays ele. Actual followe dungeon npc damage when they don't have ascendance

[steep osprey]

Still?

wasn't ascendance nerfed

like mega nerfed

[minor gust]

Yup

[manic pasture]

Is the slayer M+ talents from wowhead good for m+?

[smoky kayak]

its still a few weeks out, so wouldn't worry about it yet

[minor gust]

Yes

[livid shadow]

Look at the top guy in murlok.io his build is nutty in pluses it's very similar to the wowhead one but gives a little more for them ST fights

[lunar idol]

Hey! Coming from Fury, I'm struggling a bit learning the Arms rotation. How did you guys approach it? Did you grind it out in lower keys first, use a target dummy routine, or something else entirely? Always open to tips, cheers!

[manic pasture]

That's cool, the top guy was colossus, and the second guy was slayer I picked second guy

[livid shadow]

He was top for awhile as slayer buddy must of passed him just before murkok rescanned

[minor gust]

Both are good

You can play both Colo and slayer and do well

Play what's fun

[sharp goblet]

i just sent a few 10s with no practice 🤷‍♂️ went ok, aoe pumps (frost mage giga flamed me for ST tho)

[warm fog]

Arms has actual funnel and benefits from adds being stacked on boss

[tropic crest]

A very little funnel, but it exist

[tropic crest]

My friend Ele is doing very big dmg

[topaz python]

is there any addon show trinket duration and cd on screen?

[minor gust]

I mean yeah he does dmg just not outside of ascendance windows

[nova marsh]

'Arc ui can

I'm sure this has been asked a thousand times

But do we have SR tracker

[topaz python]

i'm using BCDM, it is not fully compatible

[nova marsh]

Oh

Then idk. I've been using arc since pre patch

[topaz python]

can i see your UI? i want UI to look more blizzard like and BCDM makes it look like i'm using elvui which i hate

[nova marsh]

Mine is kinda fucked rn cuz I'm still setting up warr

[topaz python]

gotta give arc a try maybe, thanks

[nova marsh]

I did it kinda weird

because I like it being hidden if it's off CD

Might not work for you

But arc is very customizable, so you can just play with it

[noble moth]

Why are high ranking Arms M+ers running Slayer?

[nova marsh]

Easier to pug with and easier to play

And also isn't tank reliant like colo is

[noble moth]

Understood, thank you

[nova marsh]

also it has better ST

[noble moth]

Heard

[stable fiber]

i only died if he died

tank died = i died

[warm fog]

I guess it’s really just more of a damage boost isn’t it

[minor gust]

Gg

[sharp goblet]

it is kinda funny how you do more than double damage with 2 targets

[latent moss]

testing it

cant know how good something is unless u try it ye

it has potential cause it does good st

[sharp goblet]

for a few more weeks 🙁

[latent moss]

colo gonna go crazy in .5

ss up both ms crit

20s cdr on demo

xdd

[slow saddle]

Isnt it

5 sec ?

[latent moss]

1 stack = 5s

[wind hatch]

crit + ss

[latent moss]

if both crit with ss

its 10+10

[slow saddle]

It was 2 npw r

[sharp goblet]

it's actually gonna suck

[slow saddle]

And cleave is?

[sharp goblet]

demoing 3 times a pack

[latent moss]

its 2 now ye

cleave is 1 with 3 mobs

[slow saddle]

So cleave would 5sec of demo per?

[latent moss]

ye

[slow saddle]

Hmm

[latent moss]

ms is 5/10 depending on crit

[slow saddle]

We gonna demo a lot

[latent moss]

might be a ms on cd even in aoe angle

for cdr

[slow saddle]

So much haste!

[latent moss]

ye guidon gonna be even crazier

[slow saddle]

I mean its deffo ms>op

[wind hatch]

maybe but I think cleave just too goated

[latent moss]

robot will tell us

ye its cleave>ms still

prolly because it doesnt actually matter much

both are kinda always on cd

apart from crushing combo windows

[naive steeple]

Hey guys, can someone answer a question for me? With Slayer's arms, "reap the storm" says that when you hit 3 or more targets with a mortal strike, there's a chance to proc But the mortal strike only hits two targets with sweeping strike, how does it hit 3 or more targets?

[slow saddle]

Sorry but it does not

[wind hatch]

it says when Cleave hits 3 or more targets

[slow saddle]

Ms 1 cleave 3

[wind hatch]

looking at the wording I see how it can be a little confusing lol

[naive steeple]

So maybe it's a translation error? In Portuguese it says that a mortal strike or cleave hits 3 or more

[slow saddle]

Exactly

Either a mortal strike

Or cleave hits 3

Its terrible wording

[slow saddle]

So put like this a mortal strike, or cleave hits 3

[naive steeple]

What makes it even more confusing is that Mortal Strike almost never procs, but Cleave does.

[halcyon hull]

Slayer or Colossus for keys, friends?

[median crag]

COLO FOR BIG AOE BOSS BAD
SLAYER FOR ALL ROUND GOODNESS

[halcyon hull]

Ty

[wind hatch]

imo colossus is still optimal but slayer is pretty close

[halcyon hull]

Much appreciated.

[sacred summit]

hey guys, is arms better for keys (12+) now than fury?

[hazy pumice]

no

[sacred summit]

havent been closely keeping up with the class changes so far

i think i see more arms in the top leaderboards than fury tho

[hazy pumice]

clap nerf is not live

not yet

[sacred summit]

like +18s and stuff

[wind hatch]

arms is better for really high keys with huge pulls

[thick kelp]

arms was always better for keys

stop the fury cope

[wind hatch]

tww s3 was kinda ass man

[sacred summit]

like 8+ target stuff?

[sacred summit]

was it?
in tww s3 didnt it depend on the key

[sacred summit]

if that goes live does that make arms just better than fury in keys and raids

[thick kelp]

ok but like

in midnight

[hazy pumice]

propably we will see

[wind hatch]

yeah and particularly when your tanks pull trash into boss to take advantage of funnel

[sacred summit]

bro what lmfao

[sacred summit]

wait arms has funnel?

[wind hatch]

yeah with fervor of battle

+50% damage now

[sacred summit]

interesting

[wind hatch]

FoB heroic strikes are pretty big

[thick kelp]

arms just smokes fury in every key this season

since now and before

[minor gust]

Tier + fob + apex = arms funnel

[sacred summit]

been playing fury this season (not a long time warrior player) and going against uncapped damage mfs in keys is just feelsbadman

esp coming from mage/ret lul

[thick kelp]

you wont feel the tar cap on colo arms

[sacred summit]

been debating if i wanna try arms or just reroll unholy

[wind hatch]

thats why

[tulip harness]

do i use cleave on st after colossus?

[sacred summit]

why are they nerfing thunderclap tho
if those .5 changes go live

[thick kelp]

to make fury not ramp clap ramp clap ramp clap in aoe

[sacred summit]

lol fair
but isnt fury aoe dam trash otherwise

[thick kelp]

kinda but they will compensate it

[sacred summit]

is arms viable in the raid currently or am i soft inting if i dont play fury atm

[thick kelp]

depends whats your term of viable

I am myffic progging on arms

and will be the entire tier

[sacred summit]

which will do more damage in raid heroic/mythic

on avg rn

[thick kelp]

Fury some fights, arms other fights

if you want to play best you swap fight by fihgt basis

[sacred summit]

cuz i dont think wcl is too accurate rn with the weekly buffs to arms right

[sharp goblet]

we discussed this today, actually clap ramp spam is a slight increase on 8 targets (like 2%)

so might as well play normally

[sacred summit]

maybe it is now since its friday and i can just look back at a weeks worth of data at 95th percentile

[sacred summit]

yea isnt that why archi's guide on wowhead says to spam clap on 6+ targets otherwise just play normally

[sharp goblet]

I’m saying play normally with more targets as well, it’s more fun and the diff is actually extremely small (I thought it was much bigger)

[sacred summit]

interesting. arms is doing quite a bit better in heroic than fury is but fury is doing a little bit better in mythic (95th percentile, 1 week data, all bosses)

what the helly

[thick kelp]

Sort by boss dam

arms pads on like 6 of the fights lol

for parses

its boss damage is abysmal

[sacred summit]

ah i see. kinda surprising ngl since whirlwind only hits up to 5 targets right? wheras thunder blast hits up to 8+

[minor gust]

Ethical Colo heroic parses

[sacred summit]

wat

its the other way around

[deft rune]

np

[thick kelp]

fury warriors sandbagging even more..

[thorn stream]

3 bosses at once on one fight

furys also sending rek and odyns on add spawn doesnt help

(im memeing, dont get at me fury mains)

[bronze nest]

photoshop ? 😛

[candid pecan]

dmg done to bosses

[toxic socket]

i cant see anything.. but im told arms are getting more buffs? is this true or am i getting lied to

[sacred summit]

theyre kinda neck and neck in damage overall in mythic

and in heroic arms leads fury

lmao is arms just better now

[novel cloud]

Time to go arms

[warm fog]

Now do it for mythic

Imperator is odd, not sure why both warriors are almost dead last

[willow lance]

col or slayer

[sacred summit]

dunno. im just looking at wcl statistics not leaderboards so idk what theyre taking

[sharp tendon]

how is arms now in m + see they are A tier now even ebove furry is it rly that good again ,

[sacred summit]

im looking at both heroic and mythic

[sacred summit]

in what tier list?
i will say tho there are more arms than fury in r.io leaderboards for high timed keys

[sharp tendon]

sub creation

archon now

[worn knoll]

Timing on imperator adds is weird imo. First set doesn't come out until 20ish secs into the fight and the adds are made of paper, so it's not good for our boss damage to hold CS/Ava until then just to pad meters

Also the adds are anti-sweeping strikes

[umbral badger]

trust me though, this is literally gonna be boosted a lot by arms on vanguard

arms is not ahead of fury if not for vanguard boss

[stable fiber]

idk it might be closer then you think

better boss dam on dragons

(mythic)

heroic is fake

its close on voracius

the biggest issue for both specs is that one has to sacrifice a shit ton of st to do aoe and the other has to use cds when cleave is happening, and often times the cleave isnt on top of the both

dont think either spec has bad boss damage if they arent hitting adds

[tiny sable]

arms stay winning

[sacred summit]

ah i see. well just looking at heroic excluding vanguard they seem kinda neck and neck. and/or there are some fights fury does well on and some that arms does better on

[tiny sable]

this season is so fun if ur not tanking or healing LMAO

[sacred summit]

looking at 95th percentilefor the past week

[stable fiber]

yeah its mostly boss dependant

arms actually very good boss damage on nexus king, but thats only because they are playing slayer and only hitting boss

im sure if fury did the same thing it would be higher

[sacred summit]

like vorasius, saladhar, and beloren arms beats fury by a lot
and aversian, twin drakes, chimaerus, and midnight falls fury leads

[sacred summit]

im currently just looking at overall damage and not boss dam

[stable fiber]

ic

[sacred summit]

i currently play fury but im tryna gauge if its worth it to learn arms and slowly transition over by .5 patch

[stable fiber]

it is

[sacred summit]

im not a longtime warrior main so

[stable fiber]

the spec is good on a lot of these fights

[sacred summit]

i mean shit looks bleak for MT fury in .5 patch but who knows if that will go live as is or if there will be other buffs to compensate

[umbral badger]

yea but if we are looking at logs they are still 20k+ behind UH dks and mages and so on , no ?

so even in the good bosses they are not really good i think

i mgiht be wrong i don't remember

[stable fiber]

arms is 2nd highest boss damage on a boss like nexus king

behind unholy

which is the god boss damage spec

[warm fog]

You do ideally want some gear changes between the two but it’s not too bad

[sacred summit]

ive only played arms in like.... bfa? or someshit and i hated having to track my AA. sitting there and waiting for my guy to AA so i can spend rage was turbo ass

[stable fiber]

arms is top half on voracius

if its a boss that you can reliably play slayer on and its good arms isnt bad

its just only like 2 of those exist

which is the issue

[umbral badger]

i mean on mythic i see top 20 warriors on average of 75k vs top other specs on aveage of 85 or 90 k

but the sampel is very small

for warriors

[stable fiber]

yeha prob not enough

i also griefed my voracius arms kill

did 0 dps

fucked the opener up

xdd

[umbral badger]

that being said at least on second know we know it's the case that warriors are 20k or 25k less on boss dmg

[sacred summit]

yea theyre behind but im not sure if its 20k+
(talking about overall damage not boss damage)

but the raid does need a warrior or two (if not prot) so 🤷‍♂️

[umbral badger]

as i remember fish saying 'all warrior still needs help"

no no i am striclty talking about boss dmg

not overall

[sacred summit]

ah gotcha

[umbral badger]

as in filtering by damage to bosses

[stable fiber]

i believe this kind of shit happened in nerubar also

using cds on adds instead of boss led to boss damage looking bad

then it was like highest boss damage on kyveza if you exclude shamans

[umbral badger]

yes and the problem is you either do zero boss dmg or zero add dmg

[sacred summit]

yea in heroic at least neither warrior spec is that great with sole boss dam

[steep osprey]

Yep

[umbral badger]

acutally if you look mythic first boss it's the same problem

[steep osprey]

Fury warrior boss damage always looks worse than it actually is because of this

[umbral badger]

almost most warriors are strictly doing boss dmg or add dmg

[stable fiber]

its very prominent on first boss

[umbral badger]

no in between

[sacred summit]

u do what u gotta do to parse tho amirite

[umbral badger]

in fact the top dps arms on first boss mythic has 40k boss dps which is same as his blood dk xd

[stable fiber]

gulp

[steep osprey]

There are specs that do mid AOE so they have to just attack boss

Those are going to do great boss damage

[stable fiber]

ok sweet that isnt me

im not rank 1 on first boss anymore

saved

(i did 47k dps to boss xdd)

[vast helm]

need more rage

[stable fiber]

hmm

[sacred summit]

how reliant is arms on skyfury? is it like u dont go arms in keys without a shammy level reliant?

[stable fiber]

you lose

10% overall

without a shaman

so a lot of dps

[icy atlas]

I hate it so much lol

[sacred summit]

jesus

do i still need to track me autoattacks

[stable fiber]

i mean you can

charge weaving makes a hard spec even harder

and my way of playing is more thinking = less dps

[latent moss]

ye if u pay attention to the animation

cause u cant track the swing timer

[sacred summit]

im asking if its kinda required cuz i remember it lowkey was required back in bfa (the one time i tried arms)

[stable fiber]

its not required

[sacred summit]

ah ok

[stable fiber]

but it is a dps increase

[latent moss]

in m+ without skyfury

i charge weave on cd in execute

as both slayer and colo

[sacred summit]

is arms considered harder than fury

[latent moss]

definitely

[stable fiber]

arms is probably the hardest dps spec in the game

[latent moss]

a lot more room for error

[stable fiber]

by a mile

[latent moss]

fury u just send send send

[latent moss]

funny how 6 months ago i wouldve laughed at you

but now i can see it

tbf colo was never simple

[sacred summit]

huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

the fuck u meannn

[stable fiber]

colo arms atleast

think slayer is a lot easier

[latent moss]

ye

[stable fiber]

idfk i dont want to play that cringe ass hero talent

[sacred summit]

dont u have to use both colo and slayer

for diff encounters and raids/keys and whatnot

[stable fiber]

you can

which i have

ive played all 4 specs/hero talents in raid

probably a equal amount

[latent moss]

i must say after doing a few 17s as slayer

i dont like it at all

idk

[stable fiber]

it feels even worse in st

[latent moss]

but apparently im weird for liking colo so

[stable fiber]

you just have no buttons i swear

[sacred summit]

oh do u alternate between slayer and colo in keys as well

[latent moss]

i did some slayer keys to see how it does

[icy atlas]

On the flip side, Slayer Arms is some of the most fun I had in keys

[sacred summit]

how long til .5 patch again

[latent moss]

i hate how rng it is

[icy atlas]

Just wish the rage gen was fixed

[latent moss]

i randomly pull 85k on last boss magisters

then 60k next time

like

???

[stable fiber]

i mean my voracius kill

i think i deadass had like 7 sd procs the whole fight

[latent moss]

on the 60k one i get 0 sd in exe and im just staring at the boss

[stable fiber]

its so shit

[latent moss]

ye

everything feels like a wet noodle

but ure somehow doing damage

???

idk i dont like

[tacit crystal]

its okay

[stable fiber]

yeah i checked

[tacit crystal]

colo saved with cdr change

hi 57

[stable fiber]

i had 10 execute casts in 3:30 before execute

that is some shit

[latent moss]

xddd

i hope ravager perishes in. 5

[stable fiber]

1 execute every 21 seconds

fuck you

[latent moss]

sd hero talent btw

[stable fiber]

im just sitting there

not hitting the boss because execute didnt proc

shit hero talent

[latent moss]

no blord makes it even worse

cause u just resort to slamming

[icy atlas]

Maybe if Arms wasn’t so reliant on RNG resets

[latent moss]

19 times in a row

i prefer pooling

than pressing slam

especially as slayee

slayer

[stable fiber]

SD needs

a proc increase

or slayer strikes

[latent moss]

s3 slayer set

2p

why is it not

on the slayer tree

hello blizzard?

[stable fiber]

0 - 3:40 only 10 executes

gonna remember that

now let me check fury on 1st boss manaforge omega

32 casts

LMFAO

not real

[worn knoll]

I'd love it if they gave us a talent that deletes Slam and replaces it with an autoattack proc of some sort. They did it for Devastate on prot warr and Crustrike on retadin, i dont see why they cant do the same for arms.

i hate pressing this button so damn much

[stable fiber]

i dont mind slam much as long as i dont push it 3x or 2x in a row

which happens quite often as slayer in st

[worn knoll]

that is exactly why I hate it so much

[stable fiber]

idk they could just make sd proc more and it fixes rage issues AND makes the spec flow more fluently

[worn knoll]

having all 3 GCDs in a single MS cooldown window be slams just feels horrid

[stable fiber]

2 birds 1 stone or however the saying goes

[wind hatch]

this

[icy atlas]

But Blizzard for some reason really wants Arms to be this slow hitting spec

[stable fiber]

its not even hard hitting

avg ms is like 70k damage

[icy atlas]

Yeah, couldn’t even get that right 🙄

[stable fiber]

avg bloodbath is like 70k also

[vast helm]

Arms was a Execute spec

[stable fiber]

its still pretty good in execute now

prob better then fury

[steep osprey]

Bloodbath is also an empowered version of BT though

[raw sapphire]

why are you not able to die by the sword ick and krick if its melee hits?

[stable fiber]

you can

i do it all the time

[raw sapphire]

i guess im dumb then just got double meleed through it

[stable fiber]

you need to backpedal

cant face away

i think

[vast helm]

i guess no blue post today huh?

[stable fiber]

idk if they changed the button from the mop version

[vagrant hull]

I decided to review the rotation guides, two I just read both leave out Heroic Strike entirely for multitarget situations. Is that correct?

[icy atlas]

It’s more or less the same

[steep osprey]

Why would there be a blue post today?

[stable fiber]

yes

cleave on 3t auto procs heroic strike

[daring vine]

Cleave casts slam which turns to hs

[steep osprey]

Cleave triggers Heroic Strike with Fervor of Battle talent

[stable fiber]

which in turn makes it hit 50% harder

[latent moss]

idk i always hated slayer arms

[vagrant hull]

OH

[latent moss]

like slayer never felt like arms to me idk how to explain it

[vagrant hull]

that's why it freaking dissappears when I hit cleave

[latent moss]

it feels way too much like fury

[vagrant hull]

I thought I was taking crazy pills

[latent moss]

ye u never hs on aoe

fob increases slam damage by 50%

including hs

[icy atlas]

Idk, Slayer always felt closer to Cata/MoP era Arms for me. Probably why I enjoy it most

[wind hatch]

they post them really late sometimes

[stable fiber]

the funny part is i really like the mop rotation

but i HATE

slayer

mop is more about pooling for cs windows

which is pretty fun

[icy atlas]

Yeah, and it felt a bit more Freeform in a way. As long as you can hit 5 gcds in a smash window. Very nice flow

[stable fiber]

stopped playing it though because the spec literally only exists for skull banner

doesnt do any damage

[icy atlas]

No burst damage anyway

Sounds familiar

[stable fiber]

its good in execute with reck

the tier set makes reck 100% crit chance which goes crazy in execute but pre execute you dont exist

[stable fiber]

inb4 they increased sudden death proc rate by 2x and the spec is fixed

cinema

[charred flicker]

Does our apex talent work with cleave too?

[icy atlas]

Do something to fix the rage gen

[latent moss]

do nothing for slayer so i can just play colo everywhere

[stable fiber]

yes, it makes ms cleave and op do more damage

[tidal igloo]

if i have sweeping strikes up but collosus smash comes up with or without avatar should i still hit it on cd and lose w/e is left of sweeping?

[stable fiber]

and cleave makes hs proc as well

[stable fiber]

depends on the scenario

if you are going into a pack with both cs and demolish then yes you do

if its the end of a pack and mobs are gonna die then i would hold

[tidal igloo]

even if at the end it would leave me with no sweeping strikes to cast once the 12 from cs is done?

that seems super unlikely

but just in case

[stable fiber]

its not worth it to send both cds on 20% hp mobs

because then you do no damage on the next pull

oh yeah thats another important part of arms is managing sweep

[vagrant hull]

Anyone have a good build that takes Champ Spear? I know its not meta but I just enjoy the talent, would use it in M+ if it isn't that big of a dps hit

[stable fiber]

another layer of pain

[stable fiber]

you would drop battle field commander for it probably

[vagrant hull]

That was my initial thought

[stable fiber]

which is a pretty big dps loss but

if you want spear then go play spear

nobody stopping you but yourself

[vagrant hull]

correct, I just like it so I'm going to give it a go

[old glacier]

Lots of people playing arms on belo'ren.

[tidal igloo]

thanks

[stable fiber]

its big for boss dam

it owns the egg if you get like 5 sd procs on it

[icy atlas]

Is it starting to outpace Slayer Fury or what?

[stable fiber]

which is rare but can happen

[tidal igloo]

sd?

[stable fiber]

sudden death

[stable fiber]

think so

[tidal igloo]

lmao thanks

[stable fiber]

it has burst but you need good luck

or else you have no burst lmfao

i fucking hate this hero talent

the r1 beloren had 9 sudden death procs in 50 seconds meanwhile i only have 10 in 210 seconds

FMCL

[naive steeple]

Hey guys, I'm starting to play Arms, but I'm a bit confused about how to hit with AoE, Should I buff the cleave with 3 sweeping attacks or spam the cleave until I can't anymore?

[icy atlas]

Every 6 seconds rend does damage, get a Sudden Death proc? Idk lol

[stable fiber]

thats probably too many procs

thats like execute every 4 gcds

think if they 1.5x the proc rate of sd its aight

[icy atlas]

Threw something out there. Because I also figure if they want us to hit rend it should do something useful

[stable fiber]

i mean its not the worst

every 6 seconds might be too often

[icy atlas]

Probably. I look back at Cata Arms where Rend gave Overpower procs, which was my line of thinking. Wishful thinking lol

[tacit crystal]

are they playing colo or slayer for belo

@stable fiber

[stable fiber]

you could probably do both on mythic

depends on what you need more of

heroic most people are slayer though

slayer good egg damage in the intermission (essentally boss damage), colo good p1 add damage and egg damage on adds that need to die

[tacit crystal]

i feel slayer too inconsistent no?

to be in

over slurry

[stable fiber]

yeah its pretty inconsistent

[shut token]

Hello, I use this macro #showtooltip
/use [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; Overpower but sometimes when i join arena or dungeon it breaks and says "spell not learned" and i have to relog to fix it. Is it possible to write this macro in another way or does anyone know why it breaks?

[tacit crystal]

might just be a press slam angle if it breaks everytime

[shut token]

it doesn´t break everytime just sometimes

[river ridge]

Is there a reason you need that macro?

[toxic surge]

Hey, does anyone know how far behind is Halaazi enchant vs Rindorei? for single / low target cleaves

[river ridge]

Gonna have to sim yourself. We'll be unable to answer on vibes and not knowing what gear ya got

[shut token]

I makes my rotation much smoother and feels better to me

so would really love if it could work 100%

[river ridge]

Sounds like a press Slam angle if you don't want it to break =/

[shut token]

Alright, there is no other way to write the macro just to give it a try?

[river ridge]

Not within Blizzard's ToS.

[toxic surge]

Just for information, the lowish dmg tooltip is not a mistake right?

[shut token]

I red somewhere that you can try to use spell id instead of the name of the spell to force it, is that something you know anything about?

[river ridge]

It'd be subject to the same problem, if not more.

[river ridge]

Tooltip scales in game, but that looks to be the right number.

[toxic surge]

yeah hmmm looks a bit weak just eye-vibing on it

[tacit crystal]

just ask robot

[toxic surge]

any chance if it interacts with Bloodborne talent or Fury's bleeds buff

[wind hatch]

in 3+ targets, cleave is top prio regardless of collateral damage stacks

it's only really worth thinking about against 2 targets

[old glacier]

I see

[river ridge]

Probably, but again ask the robot and check. We won't be able to tell you based on vibes.

[toxic surge]

got it, thanks

[royal estuary]

Hi guys, how can I get heroic strike to be visible when I get it on cooldown manager?

[river ridge]

Track Slam it'll show up on the CDM

Its kinda stinky to track it that way, but sadly thats what Blizz gave us

[royal estuary]

Thank you 😄

[tropic tiger]

Yeah I track it as a separate bar with ACDM basically with my buffs

[smoky kayak]

idk, others have reported it but I've never experienced it - possible it's an addon issue, possible it's a game issue

easy fix is just to reload or relog before you start each dungeon, which is a little annoying but not exactly strenuous

[stuck niche]

noob question, I'm new to arms. In aoe do we press slam when we get a heroic strike proc or do we just cleave instead?

[river ridge]

Cleave all day baby

[stuck niche]

cool thanks

[river ridge]

Fervor for Battle should cast Heroic Strike when its proced for you.

Two target you'll have to press it manually tho

[neon flicker]

Sup guys, when we got the 3 free cleave, do we send them like this or at 3stacks ?

[sand totem]

Send em immediately

Get cleave back on CD

[neon flicker]

K, thanks bcs i was wondering how to use them

[leaden ice]

I saw a ping here and now it's gone

[whole kettle]

I'm looking at liquidarmory and see that they're not taking the 4th apex talent on slayer for raid or m+

I'm reading it now, it does seem kinda weak

[nova marsh]

Don't we get like

average 3 HS procs between CS

[whole kettle]

They take Battlelord instead for ST and overpowering finish in m+

for slayer anyway

[rare kite]

Outdated. 4th apex used to be really weak now it's big strong

[whole kettle]

Ah. It says updated Apr 1st but I don't know if liquid is even running slayer arms to update it

[nova marsh]

No arms buffs

[nova marsh]

has arms even been present in the race besides on vanguard (if it was, idk I haven't paid attention to it)

[maiden moat]

i realy thought they buffing fury single target 🙁

[whole kettle]

I'm not sure if liquidarmory pulls just from their raiders in prog, guess I should look into it more

[nova marsh]

Tbh

I'd trust wowhead before trusting what high end raiders do

[novel palm]

Echo played it there, others didnt.

[nova marsh]

basically about as present as I thought

I thought liquid was just running prot for shout

[rigid ravine]

okay this spec is more fun in keys ngl

[leaden ice]

I only don't like the pure single target damage, but you constantly have damage in bigger pulls

[torpid acorn]

Good news guys

[leaden ice]

Feels good

[torpid acorn]

it seems that blizzard knows how to actually buff specs

now we just wait for arms turn

[leaden ice]

[nova marsh]

who wants to bet

we don't get buffed cuz of vanguard

[torpid acorn]

i dont

[soft dew]

No Arms st tuning, I guess they feel like it's enough LOL

[torpid acorn]

Im checking damage to bosses 95 percentil. arms is above fury in every boss. by a lot. like.. a LOT

fury bottom 3 every fight

[near ice]

its crazy how they think we do single target dmg

[torpid acorn]

did not expected this

[soft dew]

Because fury tends to play more AoE builds that do less boss damage on most bosses

But yeah warriors ST is pretty poor anyway

[torpid acorn]

that graph is vorasius.. not much of a padding fight IMO. arms seems to be doing well.
Im simming 88.8k on my fury and 83k on arms. i was not expecting that data

[soft dew]

Yeah sims are better for fury than arms in ST

[stable fiber]

check nexus king mythic

[near ice]

execute dmg is very good

this is 35% --> boss dead on one of the logs

[nova marsh]

Oh wow

[soft dew]

Yeah guess 20% did help on somefights

[regal wharf]

^
Outlaw main

[soft dew]

Glad for you man

Rogues deserve some love

They were ignored for most patches

[regal wharf]

Bro we got a nerf in aoe for no reason

[soft dew]

Oh wtf

So they up you overall but nerf your aoe

Sounds good

[nova marsh]

Yeah

I apparently picked a good time to level warr

[soft dew]

Arms is good in keys

[nova marsh]

I haven't had a terrible time as outlaw

but I do have to say that blizzard is trolling again

I stg they can't tune in S1s anymore

[soft dew]

I feel like melees aren't in a great spot this time around

[nova marsh]

I mean yeah

this is also true, melee in general is very screwed currently

I feel like we've been here before

Like.,...several times

We've hit a point where most of the melee roaster is screwed by both mechanics and tuning which just feels bad

[leaden ice]

Yes but: zugzug. No amount of range gameplay can make up for that

[nova marsh]

Yeah I just never liked ranged

Playing around uptime will always be more fun then just

...Cast, use whatever instas you get, spam one button half the time

[soft dew]

Only ranged I like is Ele shaman

But I'm a melee player through and through

[nova marsh]

Yeah

same

Even if blizzard literally takes evrey ranged out to dinner evrey other week with how much bias there is

[soft dew]

Mage and Lock always have a good spec

Rogues? Not so much

[bold depot]

ARMS STOLE FIZZY LIFTING DRINKS
YOU GET NOTHING

[nova marsh]

...Bro

Am I allowed to crash out

at getting called an underperforming dps

By the person who literally can't play dps if their life was on the line?

[lone raft]

damn bartender doesn't switch ur bars around when u do dragonriding to access abilities huh

[lone raft]

100% f them, but it is the internet u never win

[nova marsh]

Bro calls me an underperforming dps

I have not forgotten

when they Trolled my key

By doing Healer damage as a destro lock

Not tank damage

no no no healer damage

[lone raft]

I had a shammy try to charge me 600g 300 per b rez throughout the run cuz I died on a boss when he only pulled 5k less than me overall

[nova marsh]

Iv'e griefed a few keys on outlaw cuz I don't get enough sleep and even I haven't gotten anywhere near as bad as whatever the fuck they did

[nova ravine]

trying to set up an audio alert via cdm, for when sweeping strikes runs out of charges. problem is it only plays when i use sweeping strikes to apply, when i use broad strokes it does not do the audio alert, and from there it just stops bothering to alert me at all. am i missing something?

[sturdy vortex]

Hey folks, testing arms for m+ colosus. Should i use heroic strike for buff on aoe, or just ignore and cleave?

[nova ravine]

collat uses slam/HS * FoB

mash cleave

[lone raft]

FoB, fervor of battle is a talent that whenever u cleave u use slam/HS whichever is available also

[sturdy vortex]

ah, ty!

[lone raft]

hmm it being called broad strokes might be fucking u

[rose ibex]

thoughts on rogue changes?

[lone raft]

that is a nice idea I wanna do the same thing

[rose ibex]

my friend is telling me they are nerfs

[nova marsh]

Blizzard is literally trolling

[nova ravine]

when it works its amazing

[nova marsh]

It's an 8 target nerf on pure napkin math

[rose ibex]

wtf

that's basically all outlaw does

cleave

[nova marsh]

still waiting for actual sims

But...blizz is lowkey kinda trolling. I would've preffered just a straight buff to all our ST and toning down Flurry to account for it

Also

"Fatebound: Fate Intertwined increases the percent of damage Blade Flurry spreads by 5 (was 6)." Dunno why they worded it like this

And then there's the monk changes that are also...oddly formatted?

I thought brew got Fists of fury for a second there

[soft dew]

Hahaha, it's poorly structured

[nova marsh]

I'm not sure if it's wowhead or if it's blizzard's post, I'd have to go there

Oh

It's wowhead

[rose ibex]

They could have just left it at a 4% aura buff. It looks like they want to buff single target without buffing aoe or something

[nova marsh]

Honestly I feel like they just should've buffed indivudal abilities up by whatever amount and then toned down flurry

[rose ibex]

Yeaaaah

[nova marsh]

I'm also sad about no arms buffs (pvp isn't real)

[rose ibex]

Arms is fine i think

Not top but crushing dungeons

[lone raft]

just made an ignore pain sound alert on removal for arms

hugeeee

[nova ravine]

lemme know how you go.
btw it works "fine" if you dont have broad strokes talented

[lone raft]

yea so the manager is probably reading broad strokes as a separate talent

[nova marsh]

For the season I think arms is fine ye

[lone raft]

no way to go into this and write over it urself

[nova marsh]

I would still really love to see some Single Target improvements for colo

[lone raft]

so it worked but I had ss active first into broad so it tracked that

will try just broad now from demo

[nova ravine]

yeh it sometimes tracks the first lot

[lone raft]

it worked

[nova ravine]

naaaaaah

[lone raft]

so ur saying its inconsistent

try a different sound maybe

[nova ravine]

yeh

[lone raft]

or it doesn't work at all

I tried using the synth sound from wc2 ur using too and it worked

[vast helm]

maybe big tuning after RWF?

[lone raft]

WORKED AGain

sry caps

my keybind for rend

[nova ravine]

maybe i should relog

[nova marsh]

I think I might be okay if arms dosen't get tuning

[latent moss]

much better than fine

[nova marsh]

I saw an arms bro blasting the lasher pack on a +11

[latent moss]

i did unspeakable things to 2nd boss maisara

pull warriors on top of the boss

perma funnel

[nova marsh]

...that's disgusting

[lone raft]

What do we think

I died to show debuff placement

cd go above everything only buffs

I think ima move it all down

pots look weird there

[nova ravine]

i relogged, it worked for the first 4-5 rotations then breaks

[lone raft]

lemme see

[nova marsh]

I mean Idk

I can't stand seeing evreything like this

I'm a miminalist weirdo

[hoary palm]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[lone raft]

hows is urs setup I need some inspo

I was just tired of all my abilities on the bottom and the cdm on top it felt redundant

too much going on the screen

[nova marsh]

well I use arc

[lone raft]

arc raiders

https://tenor.com/view/arcraiders-arc-tarkov-gif-4047999324575620030

[nova marsh]

I'm probally gonna delete the stance bar

[lone raft]

need the stance bar for pvp

[nova marsh]

All utility and anything with a cd not on my bars is above them with CDM

Also fuck pvp disgusting

[lone raft]

can I see the full picture pls

[nova marsh]

There's not much else to see

+Besides leaving dps meters at the bottom

[nova ravine]

i was also running a rend pandemic reminder, seems like when that activates it breaks everything.. mid typing this message i got my sweeping strikes alert...

[lone raft]

do u have rallying cry bound

or u just kno the keybinds so well u don't need to see it

[soft dew]

Lol that UI has a 2010 vibe to it

[lone raft]

im on my 4th run

[nova marsh]

Yes I do

[lone raft]

its working

[nova marsh]

I just don't have it learned cuz leveling kill me

[nova marsh]

It's probally cuz I'm using 90% default

Also no

LEEME SHOW YOU A REAL 2010 UI

[lone raft]

this is what I got

I think im moving it more off center below to take up a little dead space, but keeping it clustered and a little negative space at the bottom

[nova marsh]

Here's one

[lone raft]

LOL

[nova marsh]

....this hurts to look at how the hell do people play like this

I just found this one on google

God and I wonder why wow has the rep it does in other mmos for a terrible UI

I found what might be a worse one

[rapid bronze]

this spec rocks

[nova marsh]

Hell yeah brot wait

what key

[lone raft]

I would only use miks scrolling combat text for crits

[rapid bronze]

just a shitty 10 nexus

[lone raft]

seeing a fat execute pop was great in shadowlands

[rapid bronze]

slayer spec

solar prism + heart of ancient hunger

[nova marsh]

Shitty indeed, rogue was griefing

[rapid bronze]

bootyburglar was booty dam

[wind hatch]

when I was a kid I thought this was the coolest shit ever

[mortal rivet]

for arms, are there any cds that are always going to be synced?

[jovial hare]

look up the lei shen's world first ui for boomy

[nova marsh]

I think we all did

[nova marsh]

...

[mortal rivet]

feel like i have 1 too many cds

[nova marsh]

Do I wonna

[jovial hare]

it's vile man

[nova marsh]

Okay that's bad

I was expecting worse

God am I too used to modern wow UI

NEVERMIND

I found the actual WF kill what is that

[knotty marsh]

How is arms boss damage in keys compared to thane fury?

[rose ibex]

My freakin eyes

Wtf is that

[icy atlas]

I think Slayer Arms edges out Thane, but it can be RNG

[nova marsh]

Absoutle cancer

[lone raft]

edit mode is cursed man

why is my cast bar disappearing

interaction with bartender perhaps?

[knotty marsh]

My key group shits on aoe so I’m trynna find something with ok aoe but goooood ST

[icy atlas]

Unless you play Colossus, Arms isn’t a huge burst AoE spec. So that’s expected

[lone raft]

u can try slayer arms and see how u like it, both specs are very comparable

colo edges out a little more in aoe versus slayer where slayer gets more st

[high snow]

arms too good rn

[knotty marsh]

I’m using thane rn and with good groups average 130-170 but so does the aff lock in the group and shit just diesss, but bosses take 3-5 so I’m trynna think of something I can change to help that out

[lean geode]

Bozo

I did one key as arms

[minor gust]

Play slayer arms you will do reasonably good ST and strong consistent AOE. Slayer tho not as strong still has access to funnel

[lean geode]

It was the worst experience of my life

[minor gust]

Play slayer

Fuck colo

[lean geode]

Doing no damage is the solution

[minor gust]

Slayer is very good right now

[lean geode]

Was like a billion % less aoe damage when I simmed

also I need to practice for council

colossus

[minor gust]

In reality slayer keeps up pretty well

[willow sorrel]

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY MY CAST@CURSOR CHAMPION SPEAR MACRO BREAKS AFTER PLAYING ARENAS FOR LIKE 45 MINS

[minor gust]

Sims yeah looks crazy odd but in actual keys slayer cranks

[minor gust]

Still beats out every other spec just does a lil less than Colo.

[minor gust]

Only tip I can share with Colo is while tanks pulling try to pool a bit of rage before going into your CDs. Getting rage starved when you send your shit is a kms moment

ST and rage is a bit of RNG sometimes your chillin the whole time sometimes you are struggling to fill the red bar to press buttons and 0 tact procs

[lean geode]

What I meant was if my goal is to practice col for paladins I should probably play col, no?

[minor gust]

Probably. Paladins is just learning both 2T Colo rota and 3T

So have fun with that

[wind hatch]

colo is great as long as you have a blue friend in your group 🫠

[minor gust]

I always have a blue friend in my group but I still play slayer anyways! Played Colo all of TWW I'm good I'll pass. Gonna vibe as slayer since for the first time it's actually good in keys

[wind hatch]

Fair enough

Im still playing colo in keys but I tried slayer for a bit and its very fun

[minor gust]

Slayer just flows so nicely and pressing SD as soon as you get a proc vs ignoring it feels good

[knotty marsh]

Hmm I’ll have to try both then, for fury thane is just miles ahead of slayer when I tested them, hopefully seems is different

[minor gust]

Big reap damage

[wind hatch]

reap is just really satisfying in general in aoe

having a way to guarantee it with sd is awesome

[muted drift]

Thanes aoe is only slightly higher then slayer but slayer ST pumps thane.

[minor gust]

Oh yeah, the only thing that sucks right now about Slayer keys is the RNG not getting a single reap proc in all your crushing combo cleaves sucks

That and bladestorm last 10 years

[mortal rivet]

Will avatar and colossus smash always sync (every other smash)?

[minor gust]

For the most part, yeah

[upper sparrow]

so with the Reap The Storm change, how is mortal strike hitting three or more targets?

[mortal rivet]

when wouldnt it? just to understand. trying to optimize keybinds

[minor gust]

If for whatever reason you need a whole cs for something

[minor gust]

It can't in 12.05 reap can no longer be procked in single Target. It can only be procked by Cleve hitting more than three targets or sudden death, hitting two targets with sweeping

[upper sparrow]

so why tf they even put mortal strike in the tooltip if its impossible for it to proc reap?

[minor gust]

It's not. If you look on PTR, mortal strikes should be removed from the tool tip

[lone raft]

this is what colo aoe looks like on big groups

I played slayer arms in raid the other day tho and it was hella fun

so pick what u want I think u will like slayer it has a nice pace

anyone got the AoE slayer arms build I wanna try it

[minor gust]

Search my name in this channel I posted one today

[lone raft]

ty

is it from wowhead or the goats homebrew?

[west fable]

On Live is Arms worth switching off Fury for? Mainly doing keys, and as much as I like slamming my keyboard for meh damage, Idk about Fury.

[minor gust]

cant remember what the wowhead one is. Probably is tho

[lean geode]

Play what you want, both are fine and have different strengths

[nova marsh]

Arms is not better tbh if you just want more dam

[minor gust]

I havent touched fury at all this expansion but im pretty sure colo does more dmg than thane right now.

Slayer I guess its probably equal to thane

[karmic anchor]

how are you all tracking when herioc strike is up? I cant get it on my cooldown manager

[minor gust]

track slam

[strange perch]

there is a macro u can make which prioritice Heroic cast before OP

[karmic anchor]

you have one?

[strange perch]

ye sec

/Cast [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; Overpower

[karmic anchor]

Thank you!

[strange perch]

yw ^^

[nova marsh]

Just make your bars into your CDM and track it that way

[lean geode]

Slarms felt way better than col but I felt the RNG of CS windows real hard

What do you think about slarms vs col on paladins?

[minor gust]

colo just flat out better

[lean geode]

rage starving probably not much of an issue in raid ig

[minor gust]

if you havent been doing keys with a shaman you definingly notice skyfury

[lean geode]

I had one in a MC I ran

But holy fuck that key was already obnoxious

[minor gust]

yeah I am not a big fan of MC

[lean geode]

and playing colossus in there made me want to jump ingame

[minor gust]

Demoish is a funny button locking you down in place

[lean geode]

pug tanks always seem to have a new route every time I run it too

impossible to know when to send cds

[minor gust]

yup. Just more reasons why I think slayer is just way better if you mostly pug keys

[lean geode]

I'll just play thane

Except maybe in like AA

[minor gust]

Fishy did 12.05 sims today. Things are actually looking way better than I expected

[lean geode]

For arms or thane?

[minor gust]

Slayer is actually big chillin barely lost any ST

[lean geode]

Last I heard, arma hadn't implemented any of the .5 stuff in simc

[minor gust]

Arms of course

Fishy only does arms

[lean geode]

but I could be out of the loop on that

[nova ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjIUYmIaD_4
3mins of the audio alert doing as it pleases

[minor gust]

Slayer only loses 1.1% ST with these changes so its still slightly ahead of colo

[lean geode]

Even with machine gun demolish?

[minor gust]

yup

[lean geode]

Col probably a million light years ahead on 2t though right

[minor gust]

lol yeah and especially in 3T

arms funnel is pretty nutty right now

[lean geode]

Does it count as funnel when you press cleave on single target

[minor gust]

Tier + FOB + apex pretty much double colo boss/prio dmg

[lean geode]

I was making a joke about how dogshit this spec's design/tuning is

[minor gust]

[lean geode]

Where you press cleave over execute in single target

[minor gust]

im too tired for jokes just got home from a 13 hour work day

[lean geode]

I accidentally pressed a non-SD exe during my CS window on the 2nd boss of NPX damage amp

Was out of rage the entire rest of the CS

[steep osprey]

[minor gust]

[lean geode]

Like who made this spec man

[steep osprey]

I think they should just forgo this extra rage mechanic

[minor gust]

its so dogshit man but we do what we can with it

[steep osprey]

Make it the same cost as slam but stronger

Simple

[nova marsh]

Honestly

the only thing I don't like about current arms is how jank it with cleave

[marsh needle]

is mastery better now for us than it has been in the past?

seems to be good on a lot of my sims

[rare burrow]

guys is golden era of arms officially started?

[nova marsh]

Link sim

[nova marsh]

My friend

that is long past

[rare burrow]

Stop thinking about the past time to build better future

[nova marsh]

Thou on a real note

[marsh needle]

there u go

everyone playing slayer now too

[marsh needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/enDbMdq29hgzSp1sQ9NVbY

was just looking at swapping my weap

its such a small upgrade

this was crazy to me on murlok

ive just always played slayer cuz i like it more

[sudden sentinel]

does slam or overpower have prio for filler?

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715 Any of the guides in here can help you out with prio

[rare burrow]

why stupid wowhead says arms is bottom?

[devout pewter]

Because tier lists are stupid and when done by just one person, they more often than not contain mistakes because one person will never be able to remember or even know every single detail of this game

also, apparently arms isn't very good in survivability, so it's always below fury because of that... which I wonder why, because just from playing arms this week, I've "single handedly" saved 3 m+ runs with dbts

[marsh needle]

cuz thats a tier list without actual gameplay logs

archon posts what is actually happening from in game

[frail helm]

arms will just take more rot dmg due to no war paint and TBlast DR

[rapid bronze]

fuck me man

[hushed pine]

Is this on m+?

[rapid bronze]

yeah, one was warbound

I must've done like 30 of that key trying to get the second ring

[quiet bramble]

Holy luck

[rapid bronze]

this guy rolls in and gets both in one run

[hushed pine]

I don't know what bothers me more, the fact that happened, or the fact they're from MG lmao

in other news, got prism from Skyreach 10

We're so back

[rapid bronze]

I've been getting a kick out of the size increase when Heart procs

[hushed pine]

need to upgrade that next week

got it at 263

just waiting to get a Gaze

[minor gust]

gaze sucks for arms

you want plume

[hushed pine]

Or that, yeah

wait, which one of the plumes

[minor gust]

crit one of course

[hushed pine]

[random trout]

10 pit guys is reap suppose to be this high up?

new at arms

[minor gust]

I have yet to see it that high but you very likely could have just gotten some insane procs all key

either you arent pressing cleave on CD or yeah you procd out of your mind and thats why BS is 2nd

[frail helm]

I'm a fury main and so confused by all the flip flopping lately. Is arms slayer now considered the best for m+?

[rare kite]

yes

[frail helm]

is it doing more in packs than colossus?

or is it just less shit at ST

[random trout]

ahhh okay i be wondering there is alot of times cleave is on CD and ill use a execute proc, or do a OP and then MS so I should def be pressing cleave on CD period? spamming it

[rare kite]

just less shit st

[minor gust]

cleave highest prio in AOE it should be on CD always. only time you exe over cleave is if you have 2 stacks of SD

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715 If you are unsure about prio take a look at any of the guides in here

[random trout]

gotcha brotha, appreciate it. So rend -> Avatar -> Colossus -> cleave cleave cleave ?

[random trout]

sweet tanks man!

[frail helm]

And what is the verdict on raid? Is arms taking over?

[minor gust]

yes you will send your 4 cleaves then bladestorm after. If you arent at max imminent demise stacks you can send any SD executes before BS if you get them during your 4 cleaves

[random trout]

https://tenor.com/view/djkhaled-i-appreciate-you-path-to-success-appreciate-gif-13581294