Its pretty chill tbh and good in pvp
#arms
carmine flower
silk lake
yeah but straightforward at the cost of effectiveness... i dont get it, and i wanna get it.
nova marsh
I mean tuning goes up and down
I still don't think blizz knows what they're doing with arms
And it makes no sense cuz it's not like they can't design a piano spec, look at frost
Also it's not always that
...Isn't ret tuned higher then us?
silk lake
i played arms in tww and it didnt feel this bad... it just feels empty.
nova marsh
Demolish feels weaker tho
Considering stacks feel gutted to me that's not surprising
Removing unhinged for colo was still a bad call imo
carmine flower
Idk what theyre afraid of
silk lake
yeah demolish feels waaaaay less impactful than ever.
carmine flower
But they can also tune it seperately ….
nova marsh
PvP tuning has been seperate for years now
nova marsh
The pre season arms nerfs that were totally unwarranted?
silk lake
im probably just gonna be fury til they fix arms.
cause i shouldnt have to decide between fun and effective.
carmine flower
Arms is way more enjoyable than fury tho holy shit
nova marsh
cause i shouldnt have to decide between fun and effective.
Again, this is tuning
carmine flower
I can do 1-2 keys as fury before i wanna kms
nova marsh
If you're not having fun because arms is tuned like dogshit, that's fine
carmine flower
Arms i can do 50 keys no breaks lets go
torpid acorn
tclap goes brrrrrr
nova marsh
You are extremely bold to think I care to tank
....I don't wonna get pigeon holed by anyone into tank jail
safe island
if i don have colo smash, i don bladestorm?
carmine flower
Tanking 10s when ur usual tank buddies are away is p chill
safe island
wait for smash?
carmine flower
Ye
silk lake
i just dont think i like warrior anymore with the changes.
safe island
i like this
tidal igloo
do u cleave during sweeping strikes? prob not right
keen siren
Yeah you do if it’s like 3 or more targets
tidal igloo
ooo
also how come heroic strike disappears if i dont use it immediately? i play fury but see arms pumping in higher keys
tidal igloo
ah that makes sense
keen siren
Your cleave will cast heroic strike and use a charge of sweeping
That’s why ur sweeping strikes godown when u cleave cuz it’s casting heroic strike and that’s why the proc disappears but only on 3 or more targets I think it does that
keen siren
It’s not disappearing per say it’s just cleave using it
tidal igloo
right, i thought i was losing it cuz i did something wrong
keen siren
And just watch the animation u can see ur char use it when I cleave
Yeah I thought so too lol
But only on 3 or maybe 4 targets it will do that im not sure if its 3 an higher or 4 and higher
tidal igloo
ok cool, thanks for the help
wind hatch
But only on 3 or maybe 4 targets it will do that im not sure if its 3 an higher ...
3+ targets
fervor of battle talent
maiden apex
Is the crushing combo nerf gonna hit arms hard or not that bad?
slow saddle
Meh
digital bloom
What is arms running at higher keys? the multi target slayer build?
digital bloom
I was curious if it swapped at higher keys where pulls may be smaller and the target count isn't as high
slow saddle
Lol
Ehm
Have u seen any high key vods?
Higher keys is bigger pulls🤣
U need 2 gain more time on trash
digital bloom
I see, I ahve not seen any yet. Made some assumptions there
maiden apex
Slayer build from Biz does look fun tho and esser so good for a noob like me 😅
slow saddle
I see, I ahve not seen any yet. Made some assumptions there
Yeah so
M+ is time based
Cant afford 2 slow down, when tanks cant live keys are done ( thats limit)
Usually ppl die b4 tank scenario is the common one ( on bossies
slow saddle
Slayer build from Biz does look fun tho and esser so good for a noob like me 😅
Make sure
U get a blue friend
And yes in my 12-13 range where i meme with random pug tanks deffo play slaya
I have considered, retiring fury
And just be arms. Main issue is arms is bad st, even vs fury and i play em ay aprox same lvl. So loosin 6-7k dps is a lot
nova marsh
U get a blue friend
Dark blue friend
honest ermine
bro slayer is goated and fun i think imo better then col in mplus
warped crypt
I just did like 25x 10+ Seat runs in the past 4 days for the gloves as thane fury and I can hardly type this my wrist hurts so bad. I think it’s time for arms.
hollow quail
In 2 target do we follow single target priority rotation and just keep sweeping strikes up or do we follow multi priority
wind hatch
In 2 target do we follow single target priority rotation and just keep sweeping ...
single target prio
maiden apex
U get a blue friend
Blue friend? Sorry im very new 😊
wind hatch
Shaman
maiden apex
Ah ofc.
wind hatch
Skyfury is really nice
maiden apex
Im off to befriend a shaman then!
slow saddle
Like imagine
A spec that can only get resources from white attack
Ad 20% more attacks
Silly game. Just let op give us rage
And execute garantuee op proc
digital bloom
The cooldown reduction affecting multiple different abilities throws me off. Do we just use everything as it comes up? Barring any known downtime etc
I'm playing slayer aoe build atm
thick kelp
hold bs for cs, others on cd
oblique hinge
can better cool down manager addon track stacks on trinket buffs too?
oblique hinge
no
is there an addon where it pings or makes a sound when a debuff or a buff is about to end?
loud fjord
yes, the built in cd manager
I use the tts as pandemic reminder on rend and it works really well
oblique hinge
I use the tts as pandemic reminder on rend and it works really well
I tried and idk why but its not working for me
reminder doesnt go off
loud fjord
show screen
umbral linden
ty mister bizentein, i feel like a spec now
feels so good to play slayer and spin again
umbral linden
Eww aug
i dont even care about numbers, i just like slayer and now it is good
+can exchange aug for sham/monk and still be goo
earnest imp
is the arms slayer rotation priority on wowhead still correct after the buffs
stable fiber
i dont even care about numbers, i just like slayer and now it is good
+can excha...
you would do more with a sham/monk
fresh spire
is the arms slayer rotation priority on wowhead still correct after the buffs
Nothing changed
umbral linden
you would do more with a sham/monk
hm, really?
will test
sharp goblet
wait really? that sounds insane to me
stoic siren
looking for some advice on simming for arms, what is the recommended sims for aoe 5 target and 2 min?
chilly island
Is 12.0.5 a big slayer nerf?
thick kelp
looking for some advice on simming for arms, what is the recommended sims for ao...
pick a target count of your choice and then think to yourself "How long does this pull last" and pick a time
grim hull
Is there a way to SIM urself which buff is the best for u on AA?
cobalt lodge
Bit of a weird question but for an alt what would feel similar to arms? Maybe MM with similar fat aimed shots?
spring vale
i find Unholy and Ret similar feels similar enough to me. Like Arms, Ret and Unholy are not gcd locked where you will sometimes have downtime between skills coming back off cd/resources regenerating
sharp goblet
for me it's WW usually, but haven't played it in Midnight, but downtime is similar
and rsk feels like mortal strike
quaint otter
flint wind
why arms spec is so overcomplicated, impossible after fury xD
quiet bramble
I play Slarms so uh it kinda turns my brain off 
fresh spire
Slayer is very easy
muted spire
which spec is better for m plus slayer or colossus?
mild sierra
Colossus
empty sluice
Define better
mild sierra
halcyon valve
which spec is better for m plus slayer or colossus?
colossus if all you care about is aoe
slayer if you do actually want to somewhat contribute to boss dmg
cobalt lodge
Colo also feels bland to me. Looking at my damage breakdown at the end and see that the majority is just cleave (like 60-70%) where on slayer it feels like more of my dps kit is contributing
Plus slayer animation for reap the storm is just cool imo
winged gazelle
boys erokas slapping its on
old glacier
It amazes me how there are so many bad trinkets in this game.
daring jetty
What is better to play on Arms.. Slayer or Colossus?
cobalt lodge
What is better to play on Arms.. Slayer or Colossus?
From what I know and see; slayer in raid and colo in m+
personally been doing very well as slayer in m+ however and prefer the playstyle due to not being dependable on your tank pulls for demolish
daring jetty
personally been doing very well as slayer in m+ however and prefer the playstyle...
That does sound good
I tried arms yesterday in Raid and it just went horribly.. I dont get it how its suppose to work 😄 gotta check some videos out because i dont know how to make more than 50k dps 😄
cobalt lodge
Tbf i also full cleared all 3 last night raidleading 2 of them and Arms just loses out in the current heavy burst era. A lot of classes have insane burst that Arms does not keep up with
However as soon as we get into Execute range I would climb at least 5 places. Execute x2 -> fat mortal strike
I dont have 4 set yet however
But I personally eventually landed on my Arms warrior as my main because its one of the few specs, imo, where you know what is causing your damage and where your damage is coming from. So many classes you press buttons without direct, heavy feedback. Arms has very good feedback. Pressing a fat MS or Exe that crits just feels good
Compared to Aff lock which I tried to main or something like arcane mage or shadow priest its more of a case of, I do damage but I dont really get any feedback on what my buttons do. Death by a thousand cuts vibes. Similar with Unh DK
daring jetty
However as soon as we get into Execute range I would climb at least 5 places. Ex...
I did try that and did not get far tbh 😄 was also truggling to have enough rage to be able to spam it fully as needed.
I do have 4set, but i did used to play Arms but for a long time now i just played Fury its more action which i kinda enjoy.. I dont have that much issues in M+ with AoE its kinda fine still stuff to learn.. but single target i just dont go on a boss above 50k.. I do also need more crit which im lacking 200
cobalt lodge
I did try that and did not get far tbh 😄 was also truggling to have enough rage...
Well charge weaving unfort is still a thing
But yeah we can def get rage starved
tawny granite
Hello everyone, how does fatality perform in PvP? I am kinda new to PvP and I wanted to experiment with different talents.
umbral badger
Tbf i also full cleared all 3 last night raidleading 2 of them and Arms just los...
only issue arms have as mentioned by many ppl here is the damage profile issue that comes out of how many talents are required to swap between AoE and ST but it's sitll the fun spec ;p
but it is at least straightforward spec on dragons and vanguard
stark pike
Is there a good video guide to playing Arms? Wanna learn it in video form first before sitting at a dummy :)
sour orbit
Guys, will it be better to play M+ Fury or Arms after the patch notes? I'm surprised how few Warriors play Raider io.
muted acorn
What hero spec do you use in Multi Target raids? Currently using the one in wowhead, but seems to fall off during adds phase :/
muted acorn
Guys, will it be better to play M+ Fury or Arms after the patch notes? I'm surpr...
I use arms
fresh spire
Guys, will it be better to play M+ Fury or Arms after the patch notes? I'm surpr...
Fury dies to current patch notes. Only thing that looks like it's going to end up fine is colossus arms
Waiting for additional tuning to rebuff the loss of slayers st for both arms and fury as well as the damage loss thane got this week
sour orbit
Maybe time tu reroll class. But i love fury….arms is not good spec for me. Love fury playstyle 🙁
sharp goblet
well the playstyle won't change much (except for Clap/Ramp spam), numbers go down a bit, so who cares? unless you're blasting ultra hard content
little cypress
I figured most fury wars just play the class regardless if good or bad
wooden lava
@fresh spire where does collat dmg cleave go in a 2-target figh?
steep osprey
I figured most fury wars just play the class regardless if good or bad
They do
wooden lava
some logs I see people using it basically when it comes up
some people just ignore
and during the fight itself, i'm never worried about having rage issues
so i can go pretty hard on using cleave every 4-5 GCDs
thick kelp
<@140264255302664192> where does collat dmg cleave go in a 2-target figh?
3stack send asap
wooden lava
3stack send asap
ty
wooden lava
3stack send asap
is it prio cast, even over MS?
thick kelp
is it prio cast, even over MS?
right below ms
wooden lava
scarlet mortar
how much are you guys pulling ST on bosses
im like so much lower than everyone
im only doing like between 50-60k
split ocean
Are these buffs to arms that are still pending in PTR? Or have they released all arms buffs live already
steep osprey
Are these buffs to arms that are still pending in PTR? Or have they released all...
There's a Colossus buff which is supposed to be coming next patch
split ocean
Thanks.
limber ibex
Is there anyone out there with a bit of spare time to coach me on using arms spec?
scarlet mortar
i see a lot going slayer now is there a reason why?
nova marsh
i see a lot going slayer now is there a reason why?
easier to play in pugs
less tank reliant
minor gust
i see a lot going slayer now is there a reason why?
Because both specs are good. Play what you want
scarlet mortar
i just notice my ST is so turbo ass on colossus but idk what my rotation is or good talent build for slayer in aoe
marble valve
is really slayer better at ST in MM+ realistically
scarlet mortar
noticeably from what ive seen
minor gust
Yes slayer will do better ST
scarlet mortar
you still take cleave on slayer?
marble valve
Yes slayer will do better ST
I'll give it a try then
scarlet mortar
bizentien has a good build
vagrant hull
I should try slayer for a few keys, I'm just so engrained with colossus. The burst is amazing until a tank pulls all the mobs away from you during Demolish
minor gust
you still take cleave on slayer?
Have fun
scarlet mortar
yeah thats the one im going
minor gust
but i feel like ST is more important in higher keys
Not really no. High title keys you are just gonna pull shit onto bosses in which Colo will be better at due to its insane funnel
fresh spire
Buff ravager
scarlet mortar
do we cleave over slam under 25%
minor gust
Now want to see my st colossus take for .5 if bleed slam good
Master tactician taken eeewww
fresh spire
Been wondering with the colossus cdr change will op resets for battlelord become more valuable for st
Tbh I think I can override the colossus changes to actually check them
Will do when I get home
minor gust
If demolish consistently syncs in in single Target it's probably not necessary
Surely there's something better than 5% more tactician
fresh spire
I only picked tact to not pick execute shit for memes. But you would probs take deep wounds
And then run rotation like
wooden lava
is master tactician any good as a talent? 5% seems like a joke
latent moss
no
fresh spire
Ms>op2>execute(high rage)>slam(medium rsge)>op1>slam(nothing to press
If it was 10% we would take it 100^ to everything
fresh spire
Nah after a few patch cycles it was really good
Just everything else was giga op. They nerfed everything since then
fresh spire
We would actuslly use it noe
latent moss
Nah after a few patch cycles it was really good
i think they could replace it with pile on
would own with this tierset
fresh spire
fresh spire
Bring back s2 sl slam set
latent moss
ye thats s3
fresh spire
"WoW is that it" -critcake
latent moss
oh u mean df
fresh spire
Ye sorry
latent moss
i was confused with the sl
latent moss
people can say what they want about s2 df set
i liked the big ms
after the rework obviously
fresh spire
Ms cone unironically would work well with current arms
latent moss
ye
fresh spire
Give it over dn fr
fresh spire
I wonder if blizzard made op a hybrid ability could it work as a slam replacement.
Tact gives free uses otherwise costs 20 rage
latent moss
holy
fresh spire
Then again. Rework tact to reset ms instead and make it free
latent moss
thats a banger idea
sharp wyvern
that would have situations where you have nothing to press with our current rage econ
sharp wyvern
OP is still a free filler outside of tact procs
latent moss
Then again. Rework tact to reset ms instead and make it free
what would blord be
ig removed
latent moss
blord could amp itself into heroic strike
sharp wyvern
sounds familiar
fresh spire
I'm still surprised apex wasn't ms
sharp wyvern
replace ms with heroic strike instead of slam 
latent moss
i mean if they want to prune arms at some point
latent moss
like actually prune it
ms being aoe and st is a good start imo
while ss is active or something
steep osprey
while ss is active or something
What about the tuning issues that might arise?
latent moss
u just tune the aoe part of it
sharp wyvern
ms being aoe and st is a good start imo
how would that be a good start
it would either be weak in aoe or impossible to balance without fucking over ST
latent moss
i mean u do df s2 set
does full dmg to prio target and 1 target cleaved
and like 20% to rest
or w/e
sharp wyvern
i think having cleave and MS be different buttons for ST and aoe is good
the only issue is ww sucks
just give us cleave as arms baseline
latent moss
tbf fob is very takeable
slow saddle
and fob is funnel
latent moss
u just drop bloodsurge
mass execution is cool tho
we finally get some aoe execute power
sharp wyvern
latent moss
as the execute spec
sharp wyvern
latent moss
ye we arent getting that ever
split ocean
If I go the crafted weapon route and use my fury’s crafted 2h that’s already made that has crit/mastery, what best stats for it on arms? crit haste? Or is crit/mastery ok?
sharp wyvern
prot stole our identity
slow saddle
If I go the crafted weapon route and use my fury’s crafted 2h that’s already mad...
crit mastery very vine
fine*
split ocean
Roger that ty
I’m gonna try out arms this weekend and look to change some of my stat priorities and go heavier on crit/haste rather than high mastery in my fury build, is that a good track for success on arms?
vapid spire
Funny that they're going to nerf prot warriors while i've seen some guardian druids and paly do a lot more damage 😂
minor gust
Those thane nerfs are because of fury. Prot is just collateral damage.
vapid spire
They removed 1 charge from crushing combo 🙁
ionic mica
but you can demolish way more often 🙂
sharp wyvern
but the demolish thing is insane
if slayer doesnt get any buffs to even out the loss of reap in ST colossus might actually be better in ST
vapid spire
20% proc on reap the storm isnt so bad
minor gust
if slayer doesnt get any buffs to even out the loss of reap in ST colossus might...
It's not might it is. Was already going to be better before the demolish buff
sharp wyvern
nice
dull comet
why arms is "better" in higher key ? someone can explain?
sharp wyvern
only took them 1 expac
sharp wyvern
why arms is "better" in higher key ? someone can explain?
things live long enough for you to get 1 more set of CDs on the same pack
and cleave is insane
hollow quail
When we say better are we saying like 2% or a larger margin
sharp wyvern
colossus is still better in aoe but slayer has more ST
dull comet
try arms all the day in 15 / 16, dont really like the st, how much are ur stat ?
tardy lodge
Is Dungeon Slice supported for Arms?
dull comet
and i have some many question in the rotation, do we need to use all offensive CD on CD ? like, use ravager without colossus smash or demolish is a thing?
sharp wyvern
ravager on its own is useless
same with demolish
always use it with at least CS
you basically only use ravager to buff cleave
dull comet
okay, and last question im so sorry, try to not be annoying but trying to understand some mechanics on arms, but i feel like Arms Warrior DPS also depends a lot on the tank — what do you guys think?
tardy lodge
A little. If you're constantly having to chase mobs, your uptime is going to suffer a little, but that's most melee.
minor gust
so slayer and colossus are prety equal i guess?
Both are good play What's more fun to you
minor gust
Is Dungeon Slice supported for Arms?
No dslice has not been updated
dull comet
thanks for your answer and patience 🫡
latent moss
Both are good play What's more fun to you
18 magisters last boss
slayer
i think with these buffs
there isnt a reason to play fury
unless the season becomes tankiness check and u just play thane to survive cause dmg isnt a problem
sharp wyvern
lets wait and see how this looks like after the .5 patch
latent moss
i dont think i do 80k there as thane
ye obv pushing is meaningless until .5 anyway
and we are getting big changes on .5
surely
i mean if they dont change anything u play colo in all content
sharp wyvern
the collossus ST dream is real
hard juniper
Did you play with critical thinking?
latent moss
no
hard juniper
My buddies and I did it on a 17 over time by like 45 seconds. We did a healer lust near the end not in the amp
lone raft
I gotta say the slayer build is more fun imo
latent moss
idk i like colo a lot more personally
lone raft
I tried it yesterday and just feels more engaging, like u wan to press execute
hard juniper
My buddies and I did it on a 17 over time by like 45 seconds. We did a healer lu...
Sorry this was seat not magisters
lone raft
I play colo exclusively in keys, scared to try slayer in it'
tawny stream
18 magisters last boss
Nice, I set up my bars for slayer arms last night. Looking forward to trying it out today
lone raft
slayer is still pumping in keys too from what I hear Rawrzillasor
lone raft
finally
latent moss
so u ms with ss up
and both bs crit
20s cdr
xdddddddd
thats not making it to live
or demo damage will get shot
lone raft
I was saying that it felt like it takes forever
tawny stream
slayer is still pumping in keys too from what I hear Rawrzillasor
👍 this my first time play warr, so it'll be a learning experience
latent moss
if demo does get shot and becomes its own mini cd
lone raft
just remember upkeep rend
latent moss
it needs to apply cs
lone raft
I just feel like with enrage and fury I have a go every 20 seconds if im lucky
latent moss
@fresh spire maybe they dont want colo to play avatar and anger management with these changes? like if the new demo replaces cs
nova marsh
Wow
lone raft
and it syncs so well with reck and avatar
latent moss
and u have a reason not to path to avatar
vapid spire
18 magisters last boss
How do you do that ? I do between 42-51k during bosses
nova marsh
I just had two insta bricks on academy because tanks and groups cannot do Ancient or the lust pull
lone raft
where as sometimes with arms, my CS and Demo don't sync
latent moss
How do you do that ? I do between 42-51k during bosses
are u playing colossus
sounds like u are
slayer does way better st
vapid spire
I tried both
neon shale
Arms feels weird
latent moss
idk im just pressing buttons xd
vapid spire
And i also do around 50k on slayer
sharp wyvern
he did an 18 so execute phase is longer
latent moss
he did an 18 so execute phase is longer
i think i did less damage in execute
xddd
execute
run out charge bcak
sharp wyvern
huh?
vapid spire
he did an 18 so execute phase is longer
Oh true
sharp wyvern
i always gain some dps in execute
latent moss
nah im joking but the rage starvation is crazy
no skyfury and no ct
exe eats my rage bar
latent moss
was unlucky with sd in exe sa well
slayer arms is very flat
u need packs and bosses to live
lone raft
i guess raid was a bad benchmark for me then
sharp wyvern
arms in raid is more pad than fury
lone raft
lot more buffs, but idk as an outsider noob perspective comparing fury to arms, and just the experience in general, fury has this tempo very straightforward
sharp wyvern
i heard colo owns on dragons and vorasius tho
i wonder why
latent moss
idk what those bosses do tbh
lone raft
heroic strike uptime is important and I get that, it's a cool OG ability but they need to do something with CD's feeling like they stack together
latent moss
where as sometimes with arms, my CS and Demo don't sync
happens often on st
sharp wyvern
idk what those bosses do tbh
dragons are full cleave boss 24/7 with 20 adds every min
latent moss
im not sure after these buffs to slayer but colo was doing better 2t
every min is basically cs+demo+ava every set
sharp goblet
happens often on st
do u hold it or?
sharp wyvern
yeah and you can line up demolish with the ad spawns
latent moss
do u hold it or?
always hold demo for cs
sharp wyvern
yes
sharp goblet
always hold demo for cs
ye good, that's what I was doing
lone raft
ok ty
sharp goblet
unless aoe pack is about to die then I pad 😅 /s
lone raft
i think if slam/heroic strike became a generator arms would feel better
at least for ST
latent moss
i fw what fishy said
lone raft
or make rend generate more rage
latent moss
tactician makes ms free and resets its cd
i would personally do a taste for blood from mop
for op
ms gives 2 stacks
idk its just that
lone raft
also are yall waiting for the 15% damage modifiers from OP and slam before sending MS or just sending MS on CD
and if it lines up it lines up
latent moss
ms on cd always
neon shale
Any macro recs for arms?
steep escarp
MS was also really weak when they did that in MoP and it’s just not fun to press if they do that again
sharp goblet
i always feel bad when I have MS off cd and battlelord procs
lone raft
Any macro recs for arms?
just combining avatar and CS
latent moss
i always feel bad when I have MS off cd and battlelord procs
why op when ms off cd 
lone raft
every macro I made to put CS and demolish on the same button broke on me
latent moss
or u mean it just comes off cd
sharp goblet
like 1s off cd
lone raft
Any macro recs for arms?
look up also a charge/victory rush macro
stance dance macro and honestly thats it, I used to keep overpower and heroic strike/slam on a conditional but it kinda fucks u aoe
latent moss
like 1s off cd
ah its w/e reduces rage cost ig
neon shale
just combining avatar and CS
There’s no cdr for Ava on arms right
lone raft
cuz sometimes you want to wait to cleave to consume the proc
nova marsh
Genuine question guys...how do I make my text size bigger
neon shale
stance dance macro and honestly thats it, I used to keep overpower and heroic st...
Yeah all those carry over from fury
Gna do Ava/cs now
sharp goblet
is it possible to macro puzzlebox with a cd? so like it casts puzzlebox (if off cd) and next press casts cd?
neon shale
Ava is on AM for all specs
Oh you are right ok good
lone raft
maybe its a crutch but I always spam both together
latent moss
i dont get these macros tbh
lone raft
and definitely bind defensive stance
neon shale
Always
lone raft
im just a noob
latent moss
get the stance macro
lone raft
one less button to press sometimes
latent moss
get defensive stance reminder
nova marsh
defensive stance is dangerous without Weakauras
There's an addon for it
Or just....ya know....have a brain
lone raft
is there a point to use the CDR manager or u guys just move ur bars up near where it would live
sharp goblet
yea I was half-joking saw someone yesterday blame gray parses on defensive, made me chuckle
nova marsh
is there a point to use the CDR manager or u guys just move ur bars up near wher...
Tracking buffs
lone raft
aside from buff tracker do the buttons even need to be there
nova marsh
Altough I do move one bar up to where it would be
minor gust
unless the season becomes tankiness check and u just play thane to survive cause...
It usually does. Funny enough I took a quick peak at yodas tier list to see what he knew about warrior. He put warrior in B because of lack of tankiness. Yoda absolutely clueless lmao
nova marsh
I mean
minor gust
latent moss
It usually does. Funny enough I took a quick peak at yodas tier list to see what...
ye bro lack of tankiness
nova marsh
if you wonna save on bar space, it's good. And it looks a lot cleaner imo
latent moss
my mage and spriest that both play defensives well
exploding
while i just dstance sr
and im not even playing stance mastery yet
dont need it
minor gust
Yup
nova marsh
It usually does. Funny enough I took a quick peak at yodas tier list to see what...
What did he put the rogue specs at
latent moss
i simmed as colo
resonant voice + crushing force is like
0.4% more on st and 0.5% less on 8t
minor gust
What did he put the rogue specs at
Idk I only watched about warrior IDC about anything else.
latent moss
might even be a dps increase for slayer
nova marsh
Bro if he put rogue higher
latent moss
cause ms dmg not as relevant
nova marsh
I'd piss myself
Lack of tankiness, holy just look at rogue folding like wet paper to viceroy
latent moss
It usually does. Funny enough I took a quick peak at yodas tier list to see what...
i can guarantee u
he thinks fury doesnt have er
anymore
minor gust
Probably
He put both fury and arms in B for lack of tankiness. While also saying arms does giga aoe
Ppl gonna eat that slop up and think warrior is somehow squishy
latent moss
i mean warrior is squishy
if u are clueless
arms especially is not tanky passively
ive seen so many warriors
take damage then press a defensive
nova marsh
Tbh I feel like blizz killed a lot of passive tankiness
latent moss
khazix is dps fiend
minor gust
How much you dying for Yoda to think warrior is squishy xD
minor gust
Like just Dstance with mastery is enough to live everything in high keys
lunar idol
Hey! After pushing Fury fairly seriously (3k rio, 270 ilvl), I'm thinking about trying Arms for a change of pace. My main concern is the stat priority shift — Fury leans heavily into Mastery, while Arms wants Crit. The plan would be to swap back to Fury occasionally when I need to push harder, at least during the learning curve. Did any of you go through the same transition? How did you handle the gear overlap? Did you gradually build a separate Arms set on the side, or did you just swap pieces as you went? Any tips welcome, cheers!
latent moss
i still dont need stance mastery
minor gust
And if SR works you pair that shit and gg you can't die
latent moss
im not close to dying anywhere
latent moss
ye
i did 18 magisters yersterday
bro those mobs
before 2nd boss
the 2 guys and the healer
idk the name i forgot
they throw some glaive or something is called
that leaves a dot
that dot is so fucking disgusting
neon shale
Hey! After pushing Fury fairly seriously (3k rio, 270 ilvl), I'm thinking about ...
Ur fine I think “bis gear “ is almost identical
latent moss
Yeah RN in 17s 18s for surem
tbh by the time we get to 21s or w/e
sharp goblet
Hey! After pushing Fury fairly seriously (3k rio, 270 ilvl), I'm thinking about ...
I hard swapped, if I play fury it's with 50% crit 😬 (266ilvl)
I feel like crit is better for fury than mastery is for arms, and 12.0.5 will certainly shake warriors up so I think going more crit is better if you wanna play both
latent moss
we will be 280
minor gust
that dot is so fucking disgusting
Oh yeah I'm surprised still no nerfs on that glaives yet
They were fucking ppl on M0s man lol
nova marsh
Hey! After pushing Fury fairly seriously (3k rio, 270 ilvl), I'm thinking about ...
I'mma be real with you chief, it shouldn't matter just. Swap your jewelery if you're concerned
latent moss
Hey! After pushing Fury fairly seriously (3k rio, 270 ilvl), I'm thinking about ...
just jewellery
nova marsh
Arms does like different stats more then fury, but none of our stats are atriciously bad
lunar idol
Thx a lot !
minor gust
Everyone abandoned arms but a few now we got all these refugees crawling back to us
Sheesh
nova marsh
I mean if ur vers idk what ur doing
latent moss
voidclaw gauntlets gg
nova marsh
Everyone abandoned arms but a few now we got all these refugees crawling back to...
This includes me
latent moss
Everyone abandoned arms but a few now we got all these refugees crawling back to...
we the ogs
minor gust
Yes
latent moss
type shit
nova marsh
I abandoned the way of the arms for 2 years
latent moss
ure the most og tbh cause u played slayer since the beginning
lunar idol
Have the weekend to train, my mates are offline, need to be as good Monday with big muscles and executes ❤️
minor gust
The two Colossus warriors and the savior of slayer
nova marsh
And now I must return
neon shale
voidclaw gauntlets gg
those arent real
sharp goblet
our tank DK got them at myth from vault sadge
neon shale
i hve a closet of hero legs
latent moss
might have to do with playing arms
neon shale
theyre going to Goodwill
neon shale
Ai
sharp goblet
vers vendor trash
neon shale
cant fool me
latent moss
prolly dps loss over better stated in aoe
latent moss
idk they werent simming much higher than some other gloves
idk which ones
it does like 0.5%
on st
nova marsh
I think I'm genuinely cooked for leveling thou
sharp goblet
Everyone abandoned arms but a few now we got all these refugees crawling back to...
fury unironically makes my finger hurt, arms is nicer
sharp goblet
I think I'm genuinely cooked for leveling thou
buy gear from AH, it's quite cheap to get 150-180
neon shale
rn Arms maks my head hurt but u arent wrong about FUry
nova marsh
buy gear from AH, it's quite cheap to get 150-180
for fresh 80s?
sharp goblet
my dk was like ilvl 60 @ lvl 80 lol, though I think I bought gear at 82
latent moss
@minor gust
sharp goblet
i just did a few tws and crafting for 2-3 levels and bought gear
sharp goblet
crafting xp is hella broken, u get a free level
latent moss
i think its arcane dmg as well so sr should work
minor gust
Yeah the dot is magic it's not a bleed
nova marsh
I'mma go clear delves first
latent moss
cringe ass mob
minor gust
Guaranteed they made that mob as painful as it is to keep ppl from pulling that whole hallway
latent moss
prolly
tawny stream
Genuine question guys...how do I make my text size bigger
Right click the general tab and pick font size
sharp goblet
I like Maisara and Spire (Pit is too simple but good)
latent moss
aa is awful
latent moss
every change made is awful
neon shale
Seat is the worst
sacred zodiac
every change made is awful
wrong
sharp goblet
also 3T cleave 🤤
neon shale
It just feels too long
sharp goblet
every change made is awful
I don't mind the bird changes (or am I crazy? i didn't look it up but the football phase is different, u have to do both now)
slow saddle
And solvin chains by charge i love
slow saddle
I don't mind the bird changes (or am I crazy? i didn't look it up but the footba...
Nah thats ok
slow saddle
But rest
latent moss
I don't mind the bird changes (or am I crazy? i didn't look it up but the footba...
mao zedong boss
for ur healer
sharp goblet
mao zedong boss
wtf 😂
nova marsh
Right click the general tab and pick font size
oh thanks
thorn stream
Still prob my fav dungeon of the season tho
do you still play blord instead of mass execution ?
minor gust
I play both of those
minor gust
Most bosses in the dungeons will be ST unless you are pulling stuff onto boss then you could consider dropping BLord or ME for powerul
Would be something you only decide if you are in a consistent coordinated group
latent moss
if ure pulling on top of boss u play colo anyway
tbh
obv if ur goal is to do max dmg
minor gust
Sure I was just assuming person is only playing slayer like me
sharp goblet
if ure pulling on top of boss u play colo anyway
my glorious pad king
latent moss
my glorius funnel prio dmg king*
minor gust
It's not pad it's fun el
latent moss
first 2 bosses u can pull shit on top
thorn stream
Sure I was just assuming person is only playing slayer like me
ya this - atleast till 12.0.5 🙂
spire would be momentum probably
but yea you are right - ill try blord ME a bit
thanks
sour orbit
my glorious pad king
what is PAD bro?
sharp goblet
idk pro arms dps or some shit apparently since i was wrong...
vast helm
blue post later?
nova marsh
I GOT AN ARMS BROTHER IN MY KEY BOYS
candid pecan
blue post later?
perhaps
round hollow
does anyone have the new arms rotation here which critcake was showing on stream yesterday?
minor gust
I GOT AN ARMS BROTHER IN MY KEY BOYS
Probably a fotm arms player after he saw the archon list
fierce wharf
Probably a fotm arms player after he saw the archon list
I was actually going to ask out of general curiosity, is that damage because of a super melee comp, or is this what's expected when done right? I combed over some logs and it looks really insane, but is there a "gimmick" per se?
smoky kayak
a gimmick for Arms to perform well you mean?
fierce wharf
yea, is there just something super unique about their setup/how they're playing? Just because the initial word was arms bad, but data seems to suggest it's pretty gnarly in M+ at least
smoky kayak
Arms was never bad in high cleave, its just horrible single target
fierce wharf
I saw a mix of slayer vs collosus, but otherwise it seemed straight forward
smoky kayak
the "trick" in M+ is just to always ensure you can cleave, even to the point of pulling trash onto bosses
fierce wharf
gotcha, so it's just a bit explosive, but wet noodly on bosses.
smoky kayak
Arms has also been continually buffed over the past few weeks, which has helped Slayer in particular
nova marsh
Probably a fotm arms player after he saw the archon list
Don't think he is
fierce wharf
That makes more sense and what I couldn't "see" with logs. Basically lit AF if you play with friends or good tanks
smoky kayak
Arms is mainly held back in raid because it doesn't get an opportunity to spam cleave on adds that die so quickly
sharp goblet
ideally u want skyfury to help rage a bit (mainly on ST), but yeah it does good in M+
latent moss
gotcha, so it's just a bit explosive, but wet noodly on bosses.
slayer is good at both
smoky kayak
it's good on lightblinded, because the fight is mostly 2-3 target, and it can be decent on Belo'ren, but the rest of the raid it's basically stuck in a single target simulator... without enough single target damage to actually contribute
fierce wharf
I keep eye fucking classes that require tanks to not complete whimpers with pulls
latent moss
also colo isnt that bad on st sure its bad but not tank dps
fierce wharf
And I did some tw on arms and it was honestly stupid fun
latent moss
oh u mean raid
in raid ye arms is bad apart from vanguard
kha was talking about beloren i think too ye
smoky kayak
he was talking M+, I was segueing to "most people said it was bad because of raid"
latent moss
oh in m+ arms is very good imo
smoky kayak
but yes, M+ is mostly trash damage, so Arms is fine
if you want to be great, make sure your tank pulls trash into bosses
fierce wharf
Like UHDK/space laser DH, they’re fun but the having damage killed by lack of pulls is so annoying.
M+ is my main focus anywho, might try it a bit more beyond leveling
Just conflicted as fuck, tired of tanks bottle necking my perceived fun 🤣🤣
latent moss
colo is insane on aoe bad on st slayer is very good at both
sharp goblet
it's not like UHDK, you don't need huge pulls, just cleave
latent moss
very strong defensively
fierce wharf
That’s sexy honestly and blade storm goes WRRRRRRR
sweet jacinth
I’m enjoying arms way more than rogue, which is what I leveled first.
fierce wharf
And slayer stacks are tied directly to the player and not a mag bow right?
Mobs now***
minor gust
I was actually going to ask out of general curiosity, is that damage because of ...
Arms was good at aoe before beta ended just trash ST. Then arms got buffed 3 weeks in a row. Things change. + Archon just uses data from timed keys in which it's just good warrior players playing with their buddies in a phys comp from last expansion
Arms is very good RN in keys but that archon tier list is still a meme
nova marsh
as are all tier lists
latent moss
fierce wharf
gotcha, I appreciate the clarity with that. I always try to take archon with a grain of salt, but community preception is everything, unfortunately.
probably gonna level idiot today and get my beyblade rolling
are the wowhead builds advisable, or is there another reasource i should consider?
nova marsh
Wowhead is fine
summer sinew
chud question: if I have a crafted 285 2h and I pulled a myth 2h from vault, is it supposed to allow me to upgrade the myth 2h up to 285 at no crest cost?
lyric lagoon
yes it should
sharp goblet
chud question: if I have a crafted 285 2h and I pulled a myth 2h from vault, is ...
why is that a chud question
reasonable question
summer sinew
because it wont let me x_x
lyric lagoon
weird because it works for hero/champ etc... unless they put a specific restriction on myth
smoky kayak
chud question: if I have a crafted 285 2h and I pulled a myth 2h from vault, is ...
relog
yeah, its a common bug
lyric lagoon
Quick question, i am looking at wowhead's rotation guide and they have rend so low down the prio and its not mentioned anywhere during execution phase, do we have something that auto applies it or it it just not worth pressing ?
smoky kayak
Bloodletting
summer sinew
surely fury with 2 285+ cranker weps will feel better on my little chud mechagnome alt
lyric lagoon
Bloodletting
ok just read it thanks, so that takes care of it below 35% , but above that i should always maintain it right ?
manually pressing it that is
nova marsh
yes
lyric lagoon
thanks
minor gust
relog
Funny enough they bothered to fix it so dev dh can't upgrade a 2nd caster wep for free but didn't touch fury
primal spindle
Yo guys. I searched but didnt find anything.. is there a macro for ur stance? where i can switch from 1 to another so i dont have to bind 2 stances?
primal spindle
oh thats all? 😄
winged moss
Yep 😄 Don't need to complicate it 😄
primal spindle
Oh shit youre right.. thanks!!
winged moss
No probs ^^
reef glade
ja cleavea
rough pewter
if solarflame trinket isnt more damage for me according to sim then should i trade it to another party member?
smoky kayak
Funny enough they bothered to fix it so dev dh can't upgrade a 2nd caster wep fo...
Fury's is intended cause its a 2h not a 1h
rough pewter
i see so many player use it
nova marsh
I mean with fury
They can't...really do that without making a drop on arms feel bad and make people who wonna swap waste crests
Also in theroy if it didn't apply for fury, it might for arms
So you'd just switch specs
spring vale
it would be so funny if common advice was "switch spec to arms so you can upgrade your offhand for free if you play fury"
ashen salmon
Bring back single minded fury - I believe
fresh spire
ok so i got some numbers for .5, its not as bad as initialy thought, Slayers losing around 1.1% st, colossus is gaining like 7%.
spring vale
holy
fresh spire
Colossus is like 2k behind slayer, Slam wounds is actually pretty good
like 5% more wound damage
steep osprey
Colossus is like 2k behind slayer, Slam wounds is actually pretty good
2k damn
that's almost perfect
It was never close enough in TWW
Slayer was so far ahead in ST it was laughable
iirc
spring vale
that kind of diff is small enough to tell people they can play whichever one they want
tacit crystal
ok so i got some numbers for .5, its not as bad as initialy thought, Slayers los...
w
spring vale
templar vs herald of the sun for ret pally type shit
fresh spire
slayers gone from around 96.5k to 95k ish, colossus gone from 88k to 94k
steep osprey
that kind of diff is small enough to tell people they can play whichever one the...
This is smaller than small enough lol
tacit crystal
what about aoe
steep osprey
bro does not like Execute
fresh spire
the bladestorm 20% and slam wounds is enough to almost cover reaps damage
fresh spire
though we will lose ms reap on aoe. bladestorm -should- easily cover that.
they got AOE deep wounds from 5 target execute
their fine
steep osprey
Yeah but their ST
fresh spire
i mean slayer fury when i tested my own character went from like 86k to 79k
it needs a buff for sure for the loss
fresh spire
i mean fury already has pretty ass ST in raid, it needs a pretty nice bump now
steep osprey
Agreed
fresh spire
thane was barely a hit on st, for my character it was like 4k
Though Archi did do some number crunshes and aoe from that one thunder clap change was a pretty heavy hit
so we will see how they rebuff fury
minor gust
Fury's is intended cause its a 2h not a 1h
Yeah but that shouldn't matter anymore cuz there's no valor stones. It's the same crests as the other dual wield specs
fresh spire
likely going to see raging blow heavily buffed if i had to guess
fresh spire
nah, Thane will still bT for clap procs, But at least when it doesn't get blasts its 2nd ability will actually hit hard
instead of hitting like a noodle
steep osprey
I want Thunder blast buffs
fresh spire
also considering the CDR change to clap fury will need to weave RB more anyway
steep osprey
Lightning Strike too
fresh spire
dont think blast/strikes will see much buffs, both are already pretty good, more likely to see BT/Execute/Rb buffs if anything
steep osprey
We'll see
reef glade
ragey
steep osprey
I wonder where Demolish would be with the ptr changes
reef glade
do u just never hit execute unless its like only button that exists
minor gust
ok so i got some numbers for .5, its not as bad as initialy thought, Slayers los...
Damn wtf that's like nothing for losing reap
reef glade
seems piss as hell
minor gust
How that low
fresh spire
Deep wounds from slam is adding a suprising amount of damage
minor gust
True that will make up for it
last saddle
bc the other 2 dps don't know how to play their class
last saddle
heroic strike doesnt feel very heroic to me
smoky kayak
Yeah but that shouldn't matter anymore cuz there's no valor stones. It's the sam...
matters for sparks though
fresh spire
at least you jump next patch with some little goofy animation update 😄
steep osprey
at least you jump next patch with some little goofy animation update 😄
GOOFY?!?!?!
minor gust
matters for sparks though
I think someone kinda hit the nail why it's still intended for fury. Cuz you could just swap to arms and upgrade your OH wep for free so like yeah lol def might as well keep letting fury upgrade oh free
minor gust
not looked into it yet,
As long as Colo doesn't giga explode in aoe and slayer still is competitive we good
fierce hare
hi guys im new to arms, is higher ilvl (myth track weapon) with worse secondary stats still better than bis stat crafted?
minor gust
I don't wanna stop playing slayer in keys
fierce hare
fresh spire
As long as Colo doesn't giga explode in aoe and slayer still is competitive we g...
slayer will be more aoe if i had to make a guess
wind hatch
hi guys im new to arms, is higher ilvl (myth track weapon) with worse secondary ...
Sim it
steep osprey
slayer will be more aoe if i had to make a guess
the hell
minor gust
slayer will be more aoe if i had to make a guess
Interesting even with the demo buff
steep osprey
What's happening to slayer lol
minor gust
BS does pretty decent dmg rn
fresh spire
bladestorm is doing more damage in ST than it did before with reap ms
fresh spire
rough pewter
when they buffed bs?
sharp wyvern
as long as we dont go from collosus padding to slayer padding in raid
steep osprey
finally
minor gust
Good
rapid bronze
this is really great honestly. I like slayer in m+ but it's nice to be able to have different playstyles without feeling like you're giving up so much to be competitive on bosses
rapid bronze
fr @fresh spire is the GOAT
minor gust
I can work this 13 hour shift today with a smile
rapid bronze
idk if it makes up for what happened on this day 2000 years ago but we take all the wins
steep osprey
Fishy you made me really happy today
You what would make me happy? a Thunder blast buff along with some other abilities for Fury
Execute especially
steep osprey
idk if it makes up for what happened on this day 2000 years ago but we take all ...
2000 years ago??
rapid bronze
jesus
fresh spire
the execute sweep change is still going to be weird asf
minor gust
You what would make me happy? a Thunder blast buff along with some other abiliti...
Nah time for fury to suffer and doom for a month like we did
fresh spire
But broad should make it just automatic and not needed to be thought about
minor gust
fresh spire
more casual players can just take long sweep and chill even harder
minor gust
the execute sweep change is still going to be weird asf
Nah it's fine for keys at least cuz of broad. Even raid not that bad cuz there's a lot of bosses broad is a decent choice
fresh spire
Nah it's fine for keys at least cuz of broad. Even raid not that bad cuz there's...
yeh just saying,
silver jasper
Why are there no warrior dps sims on simulationcraft.org?
fierce wharf
so question with cleave + sweeping strike, if I'm in a sweeping strikes window, I have the 4 free cleaves from CS, should I prioritize dumping those then getting in mortal/overpower into cleave for the gigga damn, or do I just do that off the rip within the 2s window with the freebies?
minor gust
so question with cleave + sweeping strike, if I'm in a sweeping strikes window, ...
Follow the priority. Sweeping will not change anything
minor gust
yeh just saying,
I can assume for key builds mortal wounds will still be a good option some nice prio dmg with fob still
latent moss
obv talking about 3t+ not 2t
fierce wharf
okay understood regarding SS + Cleave, I was thinking you gotta prio the damage amps before clevae, ty ty
old glacier
It's frustrating when you know you could be doing a lot more dps in raids. Gah!
fierce wharf
collateral damage
fierce wharf
i see, I misread it too
I throught it was stricly related to non-cleave pressables
but that's wrong, ty
smoky kayak
I can assume for key builds mortal wounds will still be a good option some nice ...
Mortal Wounds definitely gonna lose value in multitarget, but I think it'll probably be taken regardless, just because there isn't a whole lot else left to take
the only other options are Imp Exe, Overpowering Finish, Deep Wounds, Massacre, or CT, none of which are overly compelling
timid atlas
I'm spamming one button on all my mains
Sometimes two
But I like the cleave audio so I guess I'm rerolling again
minor gust
Mortal Wounds definitely gonna lose value in multitarget, but I think it'll prob...
Yeah that was my thoughts as well. There isn't really any other competition anyways
bronze nest
any swing timer ? ( auto attack ) ?
minor gust
colossus 5 target before and after
DW not losing much is crazy guess low CD demo makes up for the loss of DW from cleave
lone raft
any swing timer ? ( auto attack ) ?
none rn only for classic wow
smoky kayak
any swing timer ? ( auto attack ) ?
no, that's not a thing anymore
minor gust
and fob also = deep wounds
Yeah I just expected it to be a bit lower with how much cleave is spammed. Not bad tho
12.05 actually looking positive for arms RIP thane
smoky kayak
I still think Cleave's contribution is way too high to be healthy, but it's a pretty elegant change overall (for Colossus)
- Cleave-DW loss is made up for w/ more Demo-DW
- Slam-DW increases ST value
- it loses a small amount of overall AoE (maybe 1.5%?) but that's not important, Arms already slaps in mass AoE
pine oar
I still think Cleave's contribution is way too high to be healthy, but it's a pr...
Agree. I’d sacrifice much more cleave to get some good ol ST damage, especially in execution
minor gust
Cleave could still use more nerfs in favor of demo buffs cuz the breakdown is still just too silly
smoky kayak
FoB is a big part of that, Slam/HS is making up 10%+ (not including DW)
smoky kayak
Agree. I’d sacrifice much more cleave to get some good ol ST damage, especially ...
Colossus doesn't really have any Execute(in an AoE build), in fact I'm pretty sure it's gonna just spam Slam outside of Sudden Death
but frankly, I'm ok with that; it is an AoE build not invested into Execute, after all
thick kelp
Funnel gonna go even harded in .5
vast helm
need more rage
thick kelp
with the new dw
smoky kayak
Yeah, Colossus looking kinda hot tbh
steep osprey
I'm surprised they still haven't nerfed one against many
steep osprey
cleave is fucking too much
latent moss
i doubt they would nerf cleave specifically for colo
how often do we have demo fishy
probably very often in aoe right
fresh spire
funny thing is, on aoe colossus. it demolishes at 19 seconds into no cs and then also demolishes again 15 seconds later in the cs window
fresh spire
sweep crit MS really chunk its CD
latent moss
ye
fresh spire
up to 20 seconds off if both crit
chilly island
Being so cleave heavy makes every tuning post a anxiety attack
minor gust
Funnel gonna go even harded in .5
Yeah need to somehow get Blizz to make the 4pc a talent. Replace master tact
fresh spire
our current 4 peice should be our apex
minor gust
Losing 4pc is gonna suck balls